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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 12, 2006, 11:56:00 PM
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Bravo, bravo! Any idiot foolish enough to follow this lunatic might want to report for a psycological evaluation forthwith.
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Well hell - when you got program referral outfits popping up all over the Internet calling themselves parent and teen advocates ...
aw, never mind. Nobody gives a damn anyway, they're too obsessed with a certan kind of flying insect to see the forest for the trees.
:smokin:
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Then there's the self-proclaimed "advocates" who are so self-involved and attention needy, I had to make a special sign for them:
(http://http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6161/1990/400/attentionwhore.jpg)
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On 2006-05-12 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Is it just me or is there a lot of rotten two faced punks passing themselves off as advocates?
I get people asking me questions about what advocate group I support on occasion. I normally stay away from most mainstream groups. Every now and again I harrass Katfish over on Cafety, but that is just because she is hot looking and I am a pervert. Well also she is pretty darn smart certainly a lot smarter than me.
Still on more than one occasion I have been asked to provide my "wisdom" and experience to a particular cause. I think these folks need to wise up as to exactly how wise I am, but that is just my opinion. Anyway I always am left with the slight suspicion that group "A" thinks group "B" is a bunch of scum slurping primates just fresh down from the trees. Nothing specific mind you just the niggling suspicion that alot of these advocacy groups hate each other for whatever reason.
Maybe I am wrong, but none the less I am going to found my own Advocacy group.
It will be titled:
The Arseholes for Social Justice.
In order to qualify you must be an arsehole who is willing to be an arsehole about progressive social equality.
We will willingly chum up with satan if it gets the cause of progressive social change moved forward. If we feel bad about it later well that is what Jim Beam in large doses is for.
Hell if it helps we will even willingly sware off tobacco, sex, booze, red meat, and porno for like 20 minutes if it will help get a law passed to help kids in programs.
Ok the red meat part is excessive.
I think I have a point in all of this somewhere, but then again you never know with me. I do like to ramble incoherently alot.
Oh yeah the name is negotiable I am open to fresh ideas. If All it takes is an infinite number of monkeys with type writers, then how come there's no Shakespeare coming out of AOL?
-- Anonymous
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::bigsmilebounce:: ::birthday:: ::drummer:: ::rocker:: ::cheers::
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On 2006-05-12 21:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Then there's the self-proclaimed "advocates" who are so self-involved and attention needy, I had to make a special sign for them:
(http://http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6161/1990/400/attentionwhore.jpg)"
If I ever feel like hacking ANOTHER PHPBBB website, I'd be sure to post that all over struggling teens :lol:
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On 2006-05-12 20:32:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Is it just me or is there a lot of rotten two faced punks passing themselves off as advocates?
Maybe I am wrong, but none the less I am going to found my own Advocacy group.
It will be titled:
The Arseholes for Social Justice.
In order to qualify you must be an arsehole who is willing to be an arsehole about progressive social equality.
We will willingly chum up with satan if it gets the cause of progressive social change moved forward. If we feel bad about it later well that is what Jim Beam in large doses is for.
Hell if it helps we will even willingly sware off tobacco, sex, booze, red meat, and porno for like 20 minutes if it will help get a law passed to help kids in programs.
Ok the red meat part is excessive.
Man, TSW, I'm tellin' ya - I was just about ready to follow, but I'm afraid I'd be another two-faced advocate. If I had to swear off tobacco, sex, booze and red meat for 20 minutes, I'd be a hippocrate in 10. I can completely give up the porn though... does that count for anything? :grin:Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
- Patrick Henry
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1) TAUSA Teen Advocates USA
Has a "mission statement"
"Teen Advocates USA is a non-profit children's rights education and public avocacy website dedicated to improving the status and well-being of children in our society through judicial, legislative, and social policy reforms."
3) ISAC International Survivors Action Committee
"We believe that every child derserves to be treated with dignity and respect.
Our mission is to expose abuse, civil rights violations, and fraud perpetutated through privately-owned facilities for juveniles."
No Spank is not on the list; but this site has a mission statement:
http://www.nospank.net/purpose.htm (http://www.nospank.net/purpose.htm)
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CAFETY states its mission, too.
http://www.cafety.org (http://www.cafety.org).
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Read the "Home" section of CAICA very carefully. There's no MISSION STATEMENT there.
Wanna bet there will be some type of "Mission Statement" on CAICA very soon, though?
Wonder which one will be "copied?"
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CAICA's Home Page seems like a "dedication page" to Sue Scheff and PURE.
"TB reveiew, provided by Sue Scheff."
"Spring Creek, WWASP vs Scheff"
"Press Release: Sue Scheff & PURE Defeat WWASP"
What gives?
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I'm in. I absolutely am definitely in.
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Giving up beer, red meat and porno would be hypocritical, afterall the things we are fighting for pretty much come down to the freedome of the individual to be themselves, even if they are imperfect.
We are fighting the myth of the perfect child
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We're fighting the "ME, NOW!" generation that grew up and applied that mentality to their parenting, IMHO.
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Perhaps the advocacy groups should spend all their time posting to an obscure forum that is meaningless to everyone but it's participants. The new organization should spend its time arguing with parents online and make fun of everyone I can.
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On 2006-05-14 06:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Perhaps the advocacy groups should spend all their time posting to an obscure forum that is meaningless to everyone but it's participants. The new organization should spend its time arguing with parents online and make fun of everyone I can. "
It's funny the (transparent) efforts you people go to to stop others from saying things you don't want said.
You *could* just be a random troll. Saw plenty of those way back in high school. If someone was saying something they didn't want to hear, they'd use ridicule to try to shout it down.
If there wasn't something about what we're all saying and its real life effectiveness that was bothering you, you wouldn't be taking the time to try to discourage us.
That social pressure strategy does work with most people. It shuts them up. Thankfully, it doesn't work with activist types.
Just yesterday, I was able to tell some very receptive folks who didn't know what goes on at these places about the death at Thayer. They were, rightly, appalled that nobody had been arrested.
It was a great conversation. They talked about their pet issues, I talked about this one. They will definitely remember what they learned talking to me, as I'll remember what I learned from them.
They have a close family member in a group home, in and out of institutions, because she has schizophrenia. So they have a personal interest in the quality and ethics of care facilities. They can relate on a highly personal level, they know it's important, and they're long time, experienced activists.
You can't beat that kind of networking.
I'm a long time, effective activist on another issue. The experience is invaluable.
I'm glad we're making you so uncomfortable. It means we're getting results.
All activists have to have some communications lines like Fornits to get the intellectual cross-pollination that makes us effective in our ongoing individual and small group attempts, elsewhere, to educate, to raise awareness, and to persaude.
So you hate it. Good. It's a great sign that it's working--whether you're a program insider trying to discourage, or just a heckler who's made uncomfortable by what we have to say.
Shaking people out of their comfort zone is how activists succeed at bringing about positive change.
Julie
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On 2006-05-13 14:44:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Right then exactly what I thought. For the most part most of the organizations are not particularly goal driven.
By that I mean they have a uber long range vision with no specific set of short range goal.
Such As:
Specific Goal #1: Shut Down the Mr. Bubba Jones "We beatem good for you cheaply" Kid's Ranch. To effect this goal we will use grass roots advocacy, media attention, and local state and national political organizations to pass what appropriate legislations needed.
I see the general long term macroscopic thinking with none of the microscopic thinking on a short term basis needed to promote a gradual progressive change. Rather than trying to go for the all out kill, which some folks have been going after for decades with absolutely no success, why not specifically target a small facilitiy or attempt to get a specific piece of legislation passed?
and yeah Helena if you need the booze, red meat, and porno we can accomodate you somehow I am sure.
If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
Thomas Jefferson
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Sounds a lot like what CAICA does. Best you create a mission statement so as not to be grilled as CAICA is, even though they appear to be making the most progress on the ground.
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what pisses me off about caica on top of I Zhenders desperate self promotion and pettiness is her self promotion at the expense of progress like why the need for more petitions when already a petion been created?
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/endchildabuse/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/endchildabuse/)
when this one below already has (though small) 860 or so signatures, it's something. and yes, we all know petitions don't do much, but it doubly does near nothing when efforts conflict with the clear need to get the name IZ out there.
http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html)
not to mention this legislation doesn't cover 1. regualted facilities or 2. boot camps run by the government, but she erroneously lists them on the side of the petition as if they do. And lists legitimate organizations as if she's affilitated.
It's just a confusing mess, confusing the issue, presented as if there's a level of compentency that doesn't exist which ends up harming progress in the long run because it makes as all look like imbeciles!
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Incidentally, I started the second petition and I don't understand how duplicate efforts make any sense AT ALL.
Regarding CAFETY... we don't have much laid out for people to work with as of yet, we're still in development, but if anyone has any input and/or feedback or wants to help out we'd appreciate it.
Thanks! Kat
ps- thanks for the compliments TWG... you're a cutey too!! And I have great admiration for your intellect and wit. :nworthy:
And, the point made about the diff b/w abuse at regulated facilities, boot camps and unreguatled faciliites and the role - or unrelated role- of EICA in those cases is a point I've been trying to extricate. For some reason it hasn't stuck- but I do believe that misinformation is obviously not what we want to go for as advocates/avtivists, we will infact look like 'imbeciles.' [ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-05-14 12:59 ]
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not to mention this legislation doesn't cover 1. regualted facilities or 2. boot camps run by the government, but she erroneously lists them on the side of the petition as if they do.
It's just a confusing mess, confusing the issue, presented as if there's a level of compentency that doesn't exist which ends up harming progress in the long run because it makes as all look like imbeciles!
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Was wondering about that after reading on national youth rights forum, those subtle dfferences need to be understoond and made clear for effective advocacy.
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///Though on a serious note I have often wondered about a scholarship fund for kids who get kicked to the kerb by their hubba bubba parents after they are given the heave ho by whatever facility they come from.///
This has been talked about. I know at one point the folks at ISAC were thinking about a kind of rescue fund for the exit plan victims; and there was even some talk about the possibility of a scholarship fund.
It would be a very good thing to have a fund set aside to provide shelter and food and transportation to these kids who are dumped on the streets by the exit plans. We'd need to get the kid set up with a phone card to - so they could make phone calls, and hopefully contact family who would help.
We could inform the homeless shelters in the towns where they most often get dumped - maybe even get the local cops to help find them and tell them who to call for help - like a hot line for the exit plan victims.
Maybe get some local papers to run public service adds with the "exit plan victims" hotline number.
This is something the victims can help with - what did you do, where did you go - how could a message have best be gotten to you?
But its all just a dream. There simply isn't the funding.
Maybe if volunteers would put their name on a call list, to be contacted as the kids crop up - to help on a case by case basis? That would slow the process of getting help to the kid down - but maybe people would be more willing to do that?
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How might the program be required to give the kid contact numbers when they receive their exit plan?
Seems grossly abusive and neglegent (manipulative) to turn a program-dependent kid out on the street with pocket change and a bus ticket to an unknown city.
Hell, even prisoners are taken to half-way houses.
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On 2006-05-14 21:06:00, Deborah wrote:
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How might the program be required to give the kid contact numbers when they receive their exit plan?
Seems grossly abusive and neglegent (manipulative) to turn a program-dependent kid out on the street with pocket change and a bus ticket to an unknown city.
Hell, even prisoners are taken to half-way houses."
Thats kind of the point Deb... make them depend on you for everything.
Then again I doubt you didnt realize that. Just pointing it out for the lurkers.