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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: wild thing on May 03, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
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I need the following information for a due process case that is coming up on Friday. Parents are trying to get school funding to keep their adopted son at Cross Creek in Utah. I know that this is not a certified school by any state, nor is any WWASP school for that matter.
What are the academics, if any at this school.
If there is an academic day, what does it look like? :scared:
Do they use an isolation room?
If so, for what length of time?
Basically, I need the real dirt on this school...also
I know many, if not all WASP programs have been shut down over seas... Anyone know which ones and when
Thanks to all who respond, you may have saved a life.
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Look here:
http://www.isaccorp.org (http://www.isaccorp.org)
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I've got plenty for you. Email me or get me on AIM.
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How do I get in contact with you or find you on AIM. I am a little Internet illiterate. I really need the info...you can e-mail me at dkdenigris@verizon.net
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mightyaardvark@gmail.com
or AIM princepixie
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http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/WWASPCrimeReport.doc (http://www.isaccorp.org/wwasps/WWASPCrimeReport.doc) is well worth reading. In the ISAC documents are also sworn suvivor statements from ISAC I don't remember the exact location but if you call them up they will tell you. Take a look on the ISAC documentpage A-M for the lawsuit filed against WWASPS. The documents regarding accreditation in NWAS should be filed with the state and therfore subject to the freedom of information act. Attempt to find out any false information submitted to the state. Get a copy of the WWASP contract and show areas they are not in compliance with APA standards, or even NATB standards. Also very important, is the facts that they use troubled kids to discipline other troubled minor in a way that affects length of incarceration and prviliges. See if the Board of Eduction thinks that is a good mental heath practice since even prisons don't allow inmates to weild that kind of power.
I think they have a particular vulnerability because they transfer kids to Tranquility Bay and therfore implicity endorse that program and its methodology. This is case where the ownership actually admits to having a girl lie on her face for 18 months, daily use of pepper spray. Does the school really want the potential liability of people whose mentality approve of these practices?And by tranfering kids there, they approve of these child care practices including sending kids beyond the protection of US laws. Look into the fine levied against The Academy at Ivy Ridge. Cross Creek and Ivy Ridge use the same type of "self guided methods" They are by law supposed to keep certain kinds of eduation statistics, including regular testing and post grad education and job placement statistics. See if they are vulnerable by not keeping records or fraud in this area.
Also in the PURE litigation there is trial testimony which could be valuable to you. These are just suggestions. NOT A LAWYER. Try and get some friends together to devour and regurgitate relevant material. Very sorry for going off on you in your first posts. Glad you made back. Using this board for suggestions and ideas is really what its all about.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-04 12:11 ]
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Wild thing,
FYI at the WWASP vs Pure trial (nondisgrunteld)ex employee Holly Mock, testified under oath ,that she had the responsibility to confirm WWASP "schools" were in compliance with academics requirements so thta they could recience accredidation.. She testified that more often than not this DID NOT occur.That special Ed requiremnets were not in place. No IEPs etc. So on & so on & so on.
Contact the Attorny General office in New York he can confirm the academic fraud .
During Seminars the facilitators suggest(aggressively)that parents contact their State Education Dept and request funding. How to go about doing and more.
A month after my son was in SCL I called our State Dept of Education to ask about financial support. They said no way!In fact the man I had spoken with had had a nephew at Casa by the Sea in Mexico.A WWASP program closed in Sept 2004 due to "allegations" of abuse. He stated the kid came home with an unexplained broken thumb.
Its too bad I didnt get it back then. I could have saved much familia pain.
They will lie and say otherwise.Its not true.Their school quality is less than bogus.
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On 2006-05-03 17:30:00, wild thing wrote:
"I need the following information for a due process case that is coming up on Friday. Parents are trying to get school funding to keep their adopted son at Cross Creek in Utah. I know that this is not a certified school by any state, nor is any WWASP school for that matter.
What are the academics, if any at this school.
If there is an academic day, what does it look like? :scared:
Do they use an isolation room?
If so, for what length of time?
Basically, I need the real dirt on this school...also
I know many, if not all WASP programs have been shut down over seas... Anyone know which ones and when
Thanks to all who respond, you may have saved a life."
Is the issue money, or saving a life? It sounds as though you want dirt in order to smear the school and avoid paying, and you're appealing to everyone's fear and creating some high drama in order to get that done. Has it occurred to you to go visit the school?
If you accomplish whatever you're after here, I hope you don't end up hurting a family that's already stressed.
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Is the issue money, or saving a life?
Neither. The issue is massive fraud which your organization regularly practices.
Getting the kid OUT of CCM just may save a life though. Your program is incredibly destructive and run by a bunch of quacks. This is why you've been sued dozens of times. This is why you've paid millions in settlements and judgements. This is why countries with no human rights laws close your facilities for rampant abuse.
Tell me, how do cattle prods, stun guns, pepper spray, beatings, starvation and locking children in dog cages foster "emotional growth"?
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On 2006-05-04 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-03 17:30:00, wild thing wrote:
"I need the following information for a due process case that is coming up on Friday. Parents are trying to get school funding to keep their adopted son at Cross Creek in Utah. I know that this is not a certified school by any state, nor is any WWASP school for that matter.
What are the academics, if any at this school.
If there is an academic day, what does it look like? :scared:
Do they use an isolation room?
If so, for what length of time?
Basically, I need the real dirt on this school...also
I know many, if not all WASP programs have been shut down over seas... Anyone know which ones and when
Thanks to all who respond, you may have saved a life."
Is the issue money, or saving a life? It sounds as though you want dirt in order to smear the school and avoid paying, and you're appealing to everyone's fear and creating some high drama in order to get that done. Has it occurred to you to go visit the school?
If you accomplish whatever you're after here, I hope you don't end up hurting a family that's already stressed. "
Note the deflection - Lets not answer these questions. That would supply our detractors with dirt. Lets make this about saving lives verses greed - yeah - And lets flip it so They appear greedy! Ha Ha yeah - lets pretend we don't care about money - we just want to help families. Yeah - that might work. But what ever we do - lets not answer these questions!!
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In response, I am NOT the parent of this student. I am a special education teacher who worked with this student for a month before the parents sent him to Cross Creek. they did not want a California School because "The laws are too strict." They were intent on looking for a bootcamp, not dissimilar to the way they treated their adopted son. I am AGAINST this type of incarceration. Particularly in light ofreading Help At Any Cost.[ This Message was edited by: wild thing on 2006-05-05 07:56 ]
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Were can I vote for you to make Teacher of the year?
This level of concern for a student is most rare and should be rewarded.
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On 2006-05-05 07:51:00, wild thing wrote:
"In response, I am NOT the parent of this student. I am a special education teacher who worked with this student for a month before the parents sent him to Cross Creek. they did not want a California School because "The laws are too strict." They were intent on looking for a bootcamp, not dissimilar to the way they treated their adopted son. I am AGAINST this type of incarceration. Particularly in light ofreading Help At Any Cost.[ This Message was edited by: wild thing on 2006-05-05 07:56 ]"
I have no experience with the school you're talking about, but I am pretty certain it is not incarceration; it is an educational setting. It's structured, but there really isn't much of a military approach going on there.
I am a teacher also, and I commend you for looking out for this young man. But please think in terms of a solution. If he has gone to that school and (in spite of what you may have read) is actually creating some success, starting a huge legal battle won't be helpful at all.
If, on the other hand, it's a bad situation, you should be able to ascertain that through more reliable means than this forum or Maia Szalavitz's book---which is rife with inaccuracies and sensationalized, but false, reports.
I have had experience with parents who are simply asking too much of a kid, whose expectations are unrealistic or even oppressive. A good program can help him develop the confidence to respectfully but firmly stand up to them.
I would suggest--again--that you do everything possible to get a tour of the school, visit with the staff, and read everything you can find. Place little or no value on anything you find online--pro or con. Talk with the accrediting agency, and discuss it with health and human services professionals in your area.
Ask his parents if you can write him. Send him your love and encouragement. That will support him if things are going well, and give him hope if they are not. It sounds as though he's lucky to have formed a relationship with you.
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This is pretty bad advice. It is widely known that CCM is abusive and uses coercion and behavior modification on its residents. You don't need to tour the facility (it's hardly a school) to find out about the rampant abuse that occurs there.
This "teacher" sounds like a troll, too.
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Come out from under your bag and give some spicific examples of your calim tha Maia's book is in any way false; Or, expect to be considered the money grubbing, child abusing , lying manipulators that you are.
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First this:
I have no experience with the school you're talking about,
Then this:
but I am pretty certain it is not incarceration; it is an educational setting. It's structured, but there really isn't much of a military approach going on there.
I thought you had "no experience" with it? I also thought you said "don't believe anything on the internet." I guess that holds true for everything except what you say. Suuuurrrre...
Yeah, you're a money-grubbing child abuser.
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Define 'structured' but not incarceration, please. The play on words is a great way to avoid having to actually define what it is thats going on, too bad you cant get away with that here.
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Structure: rules designed to maintain some semblance of order and to promote respect and learning. Found in schools, organizations, workplaces, etc.
Incarceration: a jail or other confining structure that forbids a person from leaving through locks, physical restraints, or fear.
Really not hard to tell where WWASP falls...
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So, structure is 'be to class on time, dont call the teacher a kim-chi eating fag, etc?
So why is "structured" somehow so different from basic rules of civility?
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Incarceration: a jail or other confining structure that forbids a person from leaving through locks, physical restraints, or fear.
You hit it right on the head, stupid. They are incarcerated.
Locked in? Yes. Physical restraints? Absolutely. Fear? Most definitely.
WWASPS facilities have been SHUT DOWN for these tactics and worse. WWASPS has used locked cells, concertina wire fences, stun guns, pepper spray, restraint, beatings, starvation and dog cages as tools of the program. The pictures of this and more are widely available on the 'net. There are transcripts and news articles as well as TV shows and movies that report these proven facts.
Your definition was certainly spot on. And you're right that it's not hard to tell "where WWASPS falls..." They are without question incarcertating children.
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To Dysfunction, do you always have to be so dysfunctional, even when agreeing with someone?
"You hit the nail on the head, stupid?" How rude!
To the Anon who tried to post positive about Cross Creek...PLEASE do not try to justify these inappropriate behavior -mod hell holes! I did not need to read just Maia's book, I've actually done plenty of reserch, as well as actually working at one of the infamous CEDU schools for a short period of time. Confrontational, bootcamp treatment is child abuse. Isolating students is child abuse (and against the law in California). Ridiculing or cursing at children is child abuse. Restraint is child abuse. The tactics used at WWASP schools is all child abuse. These students are "incarcerated"...my classroom, in a public school setting is "structured" ...there is a huge difference. The only thing that this student was saved from was more abuse at the hands of his father, who put him at that school because he liked the lack of laws and governance. He didn't care if his kid was being abused...he abused him himself.
The only thing learned from abuse is how to abuse others.
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P.S. There is NO education going on at Cross Creek. There are no credentialed teachers. It's NOT a requirement. Believe me, I feel very strongly about education. If a student is struggling with a concept and doesn't seem to get it, it is my resposiblity to find a way that the student can get it...and I practice what I preach...I have done my research and this place is a warehouse for kids that the parents can't control in the most negative of ways, as in total control, body and soul. I wonder what the statistics are regarding the percentage of adopted kids in these WWASP penal colonies? It has bee my 12 year experience that many of these placments are used because the child won't "bond" (read owned body and soul) by the parents.
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To the anon who believes that "Help at Any Cost is full of false reports," THAT IS A DEAD GIVEAWAY THAT THIS ANON, is affiliated with, and probably paid by the WWASP cult. We have your sadists on tape admitting to grotesque human rights vioations, such as chemical spraying on a daily basis, and placing a a girl on her face for 18 months in Tranquility Bay. Since you transfer kids there you approve of their child care methods. This exemplifies the moral depravity of the WWASP organization Your organization is utterly despicable and beneath contempt. The good news is your organization is a step above cults that molest children as part of doctrine. The bad news is that the WWASP organization is quite a number of steps below the common thief, because all a thief wants is money. They don't steal the bond of love between parent and child.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-05 17:19 ]
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To Dysfunction, do you always have to be so dysfunctional, even when agreeing with someone?
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that was a program troll saying CCM was "structured" not a place where kids are incarcerated.
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On 2006-05-05 13:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Structure: rules designed to maintain some semblance of order and to promote respect and learning. Found in schools, organizations, workplaces, etc.
Incarceration: a jail or other confining structure that forbids a person from leaving through locks, physical restraints, or fear.
Really not hard to tell where WWASP falls..."
Okay I was the Anon who posted this. I was at CCM for way too long, got a half-assed education, and could only classify my lost years as INCARCERATION. You couldn't have paid me to stay if the place wasn't locked and guarded. Sorry if I was unclear about where I stood.
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How is WWASPS like a whorehouse: The clients get serviced, their money gets taken.
How is WWASPS different from a whorehouse: The whores don't take your money to go screw some poor, unwilling *other* sonofabitch. There are some things whores just won't do. If you have to get professional treatment for a "little problem" you got from a whore, it takes two weeks of antibiotics, not ten years of therapy.
Julie
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What are the academics, if any at this school.
-Self-directed. The program (the male one at least, numbers differ on the female side) is split into ten groups of about fifteen kids each, sometimes ranging up to twenty. Each group has school period scheduled at least twice per day Monday through Friday. The teacher doesn't teach in the normal sense, but rather exists to keep the class under control and assist students when he or she is able.
If there is an academic day, what does it look like?
-You line up, go to class, sit down, get your books, go to work. If you need help, or to get up, or to use the restroom, you must raise your hand, be acknowledged by either the teacher or your group staff, then obtain permission to receive one of the aformentioned things.
What are the teacher qualifications, if any?
-I really don't know. They all seemed to know what they were talking about. On the boys side, there were four(?) teachers, maybe two or three more.
What therapy, if any is offered and by whom?
-Most of the therapists are LCSWs, though mine while I was there was an MFT. Therapy style ranges radically depending on the therapist. Group therapy for an hour once a day Monday through Friday, then an hour alone with your therapist once per week. Then we had seminars, which were a sort of marathon therapy ranging up to three full days.
Do they use restraint techniques and what kind?
-Generally passive restraint. Specifically at Cross Creek the restraint isn't that bad. I've seen kids get really messed up, but that's usually accidental when the staff are struggling to get ahold of him.
Do they use an isolation room?
-Yes, Special Needs.
If so, for what length of time?
-Depends on a lot of things. Generally, a kid will go there for a couple hours. Ron Garret, the director of Cross Creek has sentenced kids that really piss him off to SN for weeks at a time, with permission to leave only for water and showers. Food is brought in.
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On 2006-05-05 23:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How is WWASPS like a whorehouse: The clients get serviced, their money gets taken.
How is WWASPS different from a whorehouse: The whores don't take your money to go screw some poor, unwilling *other* sonofabitch. There are some things whores just won't do. If you have to get professional treatment for a "little problem" you got from a whore, it takes two weeks of antibiotics, not ten years of therapy.
Julie
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Programs are exactly like non-consentual BDSM without any sex. Nothin' but mindfuck.
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Programs are exactly like non-consentual BDSM without any sex. Nothin' but mindfuck."
Um, sometimes they also include sexual abuse, like the Mexico and Czech Republic programs closed that were ran by the Roaches. Let's not forget that after Sunrise Beach closed due to sexual abuse, WWASP gave them another program in the Czech Republic where that program was again closed due to similar abuses.
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Ok, I take that back. Sometimes its got full bown rape. :scared: ugh
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Pfft, if you're talking about Cross Creek, I never heard about that going on there at all during my eighteen months.
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Oh it totally happened at Cross Creek. A grey haired guy whose name I can't remember and a fat black guy named Ben. And that was just during my stay.