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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 01, 2006, 02:40:00 PM
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Has anyone ever heard of Tyler Ranch? My son went to a wilderness program for 7 weeks, and did well and came out just fine. Now at Tyler Ranch, and going to a local high school. He will graduate HS in June. He is now getting almost straight A's. What I would like to know is, does anyone know anything about Tyler Ranch?
Thank you!
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I did a "google search" and their website says they take kids ages 6 - 18. Age 6 ?????
WHO recommended Tyler Ranch to you for your son?
Did you use an educational consultant or referring company?
Which wilderness program did he attend?
How long has he been at Tyler Ranch?
If he attends public school, what does your $2,500 per month pay for?
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He went to Odyssey Wilderness Program in Bellingham, WA. My son is a diabetic and I had a hard time finding a wilderness program that would take him. I found tyler ranch and also I hired an ec to help me find a good reputable transport agency, as I knew my son would not go willingly.
Just wondering if anyone knows of anyone who has gone to Tyler Ranch?
Thanks
Leslie
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Forgot to say that he has been at the Ranch since August 26th 2005, and he has indiv., group and NA therapy. He has opened up a lot in NA therapy but not in the others much. History on him, gambling, hurting me emotionally and physically, drugs, getting the diabetes, his grandfather (my father passing away), his own Father moved my son out of his house completely, because his Russian mother-in-law was moving into their house and took over my son's room. I know this hurt Greg, but he would never admit it to me, but he did admit it to the people at the wilderness program. He will turn 18 tomorrow, and will stay (Greg decided this on his own), until he graduates from High School. I will be there for him at graduation. He will come here (home for me, Anchorage, AK) for a few days then Drive to OR, stay for the summer with relatives and get a job, and his decision to go to community college in the fall in Bend, OR. He is a good kid, but got hooked up with the wrong crowd, druggies, and he had dropped out of HS on his own here, and hardly ever went to classes anyway, I couldn't get him to go, or do anything, he was always gone from the house, and his Father, my ex since 1992, wouldn't help me out at all. My son unfortunatly is like his Father, doesn't respect women, has a bad temper, etc...... He is doing a lot better, but I wish he would open up more in therapy, but nobody can force him to do that and I know this. It is up to him. He still has lots to work on.
Thanks
Leslie
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I do agree age 6?? Geez, that is way too low.
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I also used Bill Lane and Associates for the escort transport agency and they were great, even my son said they were fine, and he was not mad at me for sending him to the wilderness program.
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Leslie, you post constantly on Struggling Teens about Greg. Only difference over on ST is you aren't allowed to mention the name of Greg's program. You always say you are happy with the placement, and always agree with the "Struggling Parents's WONDERFUL advice to you.
Why are you posting here, now?
Seems like lots of ST parents are filling up Fornits with lots of on-and-on postings lately.
What's going on?
OR did you get a bit frustrated when all the ST parents ganged up on you and told you to stop helping to prepare your son for college, and let him do it HIMSELF, or just fail?
Some of your postings can be seen on another thread, "Struggling Parents or Struggling Teens."
Something seems a bit off here.
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On 2006-05-01 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Something seems a bit off here. "
Yeah. 2 things. for one, why ask after 8 months, and only about 1 before graduation. and the other is why there were responses but no answers to the question originally posed. It seems the latter is "no, we know nothing about Tyler".
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*sniff sniff*
I smell.. a troll.
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Maybe Leslie is trying to avail herself of the tremendous wisdom on fornits. Since there are so many of you that are experts on ALL programs, she is now naming the program so that you can offer her your expertise. You can share with her all the specific instances of abuse that you know from personal experience have occurred at Tyler Ranch. You can direct her to the factual reports about this program which show that it benefits no one and is abusive. Oh, wait. You don't know anything about it? How can that be?
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And maybe you're just trolling and haven't the faintest fucking clue what you're talking about.
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I just feel sorry for this kid, Greg. Hope he doesn't ever read Struggling Teens or Fornits, and see what this whining, complaining mother writes about him all the time. Maybe one day, she just might discover something postive to say about this young man.
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On 2006-05-01 13:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe Leslie is trying to avail herself of the tremendous wisdom on fornits. Since there are so many of you that are experts on ALL programs, she is now naming the program so that you can offer her your expertise. You can share with her all the specific instances of abuse that you know from personal experience have occurred at Tyler Ranch. You can direct her to the factual reports about this program which show that it benefits no one and is abusive. Oh, wait. You don't know anything about it? How can that be?"
Carlbrook troll from Wilkes Barrie, PA. Hi Trollie! :wave:
With this idiotic reasoning nobody who didn't die in the Holocaust can talk about how bad it was. What an idiot.
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From their own website, Tyler Ranch uses the same point system used by WWASP and Provo Canyon. Now that's not nice! But Leslie says her son is not a "nice boy" so what does she care?
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For some reason I have a feeling that kid will be gone when he turns 18. If not give him a month to move out, why keep a dysfunctional family together any longer than necesssary?
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OH, the ST Parents have convinced Mom Leslie that this boy can't live at home. He has to go to some community college AWAY FROM HOME. Can't have him at HOME around "those bad kids that might influenced him to be a bad ole druggie kid AGAIN." And, anyway, Mom Leslie has a new boyfriend, and ST Parents SAY it's Leslie's time to LIVE FOR HERSELF and not this son!
Reading that ST forum really is entertaining, if you can try to overlook the fact they are messing with kids's lives.
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On 2006-05-01 16:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OH, the ST Parents have convinced Mom Leslie that this boy can't live at home. He has to go to some community college AWAY FROM HOME. Can't have him at HOME around "those bad kids that might influenced him to be a bad ole druggie kid AGAIN." And, anyway, Mom Leslie has a new boyfriend, and ST Parents SAY it's Leslie's time to LIVE FOR HERSELF and not this son!
Reading that ST forum really is entertaining, if you can try to overlook the fact they are messing with kids's lives."
Well, as Jena said, its about the parents, and about support for parents.
As I've said, its all about them. Sorry for my lack of surprise :roll:
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On 2006-05-01 13:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe Leslie is trying to avail herself of the tremendous wisdom on fornits. Since there are so many of you that are experts on ALL programs, she is now naming the program so that you can offer her your expertise. You can share with her all the specific instances of abuse that you know from personal experience have occurred at Tyler Ranch. You can direct her to the factual reports about this program which show that it benefits no one and is abusive. Oh, wait. You don't know anything about it? How can that be?"
Leslie is an idiot that needs far more help than her college bound son does. The boy is shopping for schools and concerned about how his tuition is going to be paid? This is a problem? Don't we all wish we had these kinds of problems?
As a Mom, she should be reassuring the boy that no matter what, the family will see to it that he gets the funds to get his degree and all the boy need worry about is his grades. If they can afford his program, they can afford community college. If the can't afford both, sacrifice the program.
As a Mom she should be asking Greg if he has expressed his feelings to his Dad about his Dad's absence from his graduation. What is wrong with this father? No wonder his kid is fucked up when the father won't even make an effort to attend his graduation.
As a Mom, she should not be so sensitive to the repetitive annoying questions of a teenager. Relax. Tell the kid to chill, everything is under control. As his parent it is her responsiblity to make sure everything really is under control.
As an adult, Leslie should not be so vulnerable as to allow a kid to 'get to her' like that. If she does, he will.
Not everyone is cut out be a parent. Leslie is too emotionally frail for the job. So, blame the kid and ship him to a facility?! Nice.
Of course Greg does not respect his mother. She doesn't deserve it. I don't respect her either. Any program that says he should respect her is a fucked up program.
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On 2006-05-01 13:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe Leslie is trying to avail herself of the tremendous wisdom on fornits. Since there are so many of you that are experts on ALL programs, she is now naming the program so that you can offer her your expertise. You can share with her all the specific instances of abuse that you know from personal experience have occurred at Tyler Ranch. You can direct her to the factual reports about this program which show that it benefits no one and is abusive. Oh, wait. You don't know anything about it? How can that be?"
Leslie admits in her post she uses psychotropic drugs. It is clear she has low self esteem.
It is obvious that Leslie needs to be in a program!
Yes, let's take this drug using, whining, disrespectful waste of a parent and toss her ass into a tough love program that will break her, really, really, reaaly, hard. And then they can build her up with some spine in her jello body and make her show some respect to her son.
In fact, let's place Greg in charge of her. He is clearly more competent. He should take control over all of her affairs; her money and property, her relationships, when she gets to come home, if ever, the whole shot.
Enough with the soft talking psychologists and 'panic pills.' Get this bitch into a program. She deserves.. uh, I mean needs one.
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Let me talk to you a bit about the opening up situation. DON'T OVEREMPHATHISE IT'S IMPORTANCE. For some kids talk therapy is not the way the reach them. Preparing them with good vocational skills to go out and find a job they love, a job that will consume the major activity of their life is a lot more therapuetic than siting around in an office or group getting touchy, feely.
His reluctance to open up may actually be doing him more good than harm, because it preserves his sense of empowerment. Because he is in a situation involuntarily, his lack of communication preserves his personal boundaries and helps him from feeling helpless and impotent. His first real serious girlfreind will do a much better job than a probing therapist in a place where he is incarcerated. Try and see it from his point of view without judging it. He was doubly abandonded by his father and you. How much trust should he have? People make themselves emotionally vulnerable with people they trust. Add to that he having a little fun by driving his therapist and you nuts about this.
Working and Community College sounds like a great idea. A lot of stupid teen tricks get resolved when their brains mature in the prefrontal cortex area (controls impulses). And a lot of behavior is idiosyncratic to family dynamics. Try this proposition "my son is not a touchy feeling kind of guy and that is just fine with me. Remember that his therapist has his image, ego, and competence wrapped up in how well his patients emote. In a ten year timeframe whether your kid emotes at this point in his life is meaningless. Say, "he's got a little fight left in him, that's not to bad.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-01 19:13 ]
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I love my son, and do care about him. I didn't even know about your site until just the other day when someone from st mentioned it, so I thought I would look at it, and ask if anyone knew about Tyler Ranch and that is all.
No, I am not a FUCK UP MOTHER, in fact I am a good Mother who cares about her son. Sorry you think otherwise. I need to re-read what all of you wrote and will respond later. I do appreciate all that you say, and don't take it lightly, true, I am on st a lot, but it has been very helpful for me, as a parent. I will be 45 in June, (just so you know my age), with boyfriend, and unemployed at this time, but hopefully will find a job soon. Some of you ask why I am asking you now about Tyler Ranch, well, I didn't know anything about your site before now, and obviously none of you know about it, and that is fine.
I don't think the answer for every "bad" kid is therapy, or sending them away, but if one of you were here when he was doing what he was doing, then maybe you would have a different opinion, maybe not. your choice, my choice.
I do respect your site, just so you know. Please respect ST site, as it is for parents who are going through a really hard time, and unless you are parents, I am sorry, but even though you think you know what you are talking about, you don't until you have lived it. The year before I sent my son away, I had to call the police 4-5 times (911 calls), afraid that my son would hurt me, afraid for my life (as I have pictures of what he has done to me in the past). Some people told me to send him to a lock up, but NO I could not and would not do that, he is no that bad. Some said to change the locks on the doors to my house, NO, I couldn't do that either, nor did I have the strength anymore to do that. I did what I could, and now I am very proud of him, graduating from HS on time, and he is the one who wants to go to college.
Thank you all that have replied to me, good or bad, I have no problems with you swearing at me or whatever you have to say to me, and I will think about whatever you say to me. I am not a parent who will ignore my son once he turns 18, not me at all, I will always be there for him if he needs me. I do love my son and always will.
Leslie
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Leslie,
Most have read your posts on ST, after it was obvious who you were. This is not some "battle" between ST and Fornits. You will not convince anyone here that placing your son in a program was "right." Revealing the most private information about your son is unwise, and if and when he read all this--YOU will find yourself explaining WHY to him. Do you not think this young man deserves some privacy? When do you start forgiving him, believing in him, helping HIM? You are missing the POINT. This is not about YOU. I'm sorry you are unemployed, have panic attacks, that you are scared of your own son, and feel you have a worthless ex-husband. But, we're talking about an 18 year old kid, here. Sounds like he has more maturity working than you. If you can afford to have him at Tyler Ranch, then you can well-afford some damn community college!! So quit whining, and gossiping to the whole world about your OWN SON, and get busy helping this boy through college. Be a responsible adult, mother. Spend some of your ST posting time and find a damn job!
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Just read some more of your responses>
I am not an idiot, and yes, I will help my son pay for college, he is the one who wants to go to community college out of the state of Alaska. Why doesn't he want to be here, not because of me, sure maybe some, but I won't know until I see him in June, but because he owes people money from his past gambling issues, and he has told me so in a letter and on the phone.
Someone asked if Greg has expressed his feelings to his Dad about his Dad not going to his graduation. I don't know. I asked my son about this and he said it is ok. My Mom (85 years old) was going to go with me, but recently fell and fractured her left shoulder, and can't fly right now, and Greg understands that. My Mom and I are giving Greg a laptop and printer for his grad. present.
Good question, what is wrong with the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for asking!! Too long of a story to tell you, but in my marriage to him, he was the controller, now he is married to a Russian woman and they have two kids together, and Greg's Fathers wife controls everything, which is a horrible shame. Greg's Father is missing out on a lot with Greg.
You are right I am too emotionally involved, and my son turns 18 tomorrow, and I will step back and let him make his own decisions, good or bad. Have to see how it turns out.
He is nervous about being here for 4-5 days, I know it, as he has told me, and the car (a jeep) that his Dad is going to give to him, Greg wants to park it in my garage, and I asked why, and he told me he is afraid of who might realize that he is here.
Someone said, that I am too emotionally frial for the job as my son's parent, but I may be, but I am doing the best I can. He wrote me a letter after the first day of wilderness and also after 1 week of the Ranch, and he was not mad at me. Thanksgiving I was with him, and he was not mad at me, but said he would work hard on his grades and wants to do better in life, that hanging with his "so called friends as he put it", put himself in the hole and the deep end, and actually 2 so called friends ratted on Greg, and I told him about it, and he wasn't happy.
Someone said, "Let's get the bitch in a program", I resent that you said that, but say what you want to say, I did what I did, and that is that. None of you know about Tyler Ranch, so I guess this is the end for me, but if you don't mind, I will from time to time read some of your posts.
Thanks
Leslie
ps, I am not a bitch, I am not an idiot, and I do care and love my son and he knows it, in fact if you don't believe me, I'll let you call him when he is home.
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Skipping the bullshit, we reach...
"I'll let you call him when he is home."
This ought to be good.
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What the hell is wrong with you Lady? You don't let strangers call your son! And ask him what? Question him about GOSSIP his own mother has posted abut him all over the internet?
I want you to learn about boundaries, Leslie.
Your son has a therapist--or at least you say he does. That is who he SHOULD BE TALKING TO.
You want to justify yourself, and your actions, and your decisions.
WHAT PART OF: IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU, do you not understand?
This is your son's life.
You have posted over and over about financial aid for your son's COMMUNITY College expenses.
It's been said already: If you can afford Tyler Ranch...you can damn well afford a community college.
Now shut up your whiny ass, and get busy taking care of your son.
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Does it really matter if we do believe you? Why the sudden outpouring of souls from ST parents here lately? Did their board shut down or something?
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Leslie, you just posted on ST it is "the discussion group you like and love and find the most helpful."
So, why are you posting here on fornits? huh?
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I think you are going to get more and more posters from ST because three or four of the regulars around here have been trolling there.
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On 2006-05-01 20:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does it really matter if we do believe you? Why the sudden outpouring of souls from ST parents here lately? Did their board shut down or something?"
No, I pissed them off, but they cant engage me there, cos I'm b&, so they came here.
Or something.
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On 2006-05-01 20:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Did their board shut down or something?"
Don't we all wish?
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Ah, Leslie, if you're going to post your son's phone number, I recommend that you do it now, before he goes on trial for murder.
Whose murder? Yours, Leslie. He's going to kill you, you know. One day he'll be all happy and "Yes, Mom" and "Okay" and everything, and then that night he's going to wake up remembering what was said to him, remembering what they called him, remembering what they made him do. And he's going to be angry, angry with himself for going along with it, angry at his dad for allowing it, and more than that, angry with you.
And he's going to wake you up by putting his hands around your neck and digging his thumbs into your throat as hard as he can. Just like on TV, Leslie. You'll wake up with no air, no air at all. You'll look, pleading, into his eyes and all you'll see is his grin, that malevolent grin that will haunt you for the rest of your very short life.
And when he's finally done and your corpse lies in your bed as if you were simply asleep, he's going to get some mashed-together duct tape or some heavy twine, hook it to the ceiling, and make it look like you killed yourself.
It won't work, of course. The police will find his thumb indentations sufficient evidence to get him to confess. But when he does go, he'll go with a smile on his face, because he finally managed to get you out of his life.
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On 2006-05-01 20:41:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 20:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does it really matter if we do believe you? Why the sudden outpouring of souls from ST parents here lately? Did their board shut down or something?"
No, I pissed them off, but they cant engage me there, cos I'm b&, so they came here.
Or something."
Oh, I get it...parents that come here are trolls but I guess we'll have to come up with a new term for regular Fornits posters that stir up the crap over there...how bout assholes? It doesn't do any good to go over there and insult those people. Even DJ knows better.
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Funny how its impossible to criticise or bring up anything they do wrong without it being an 'insult', yet the same programs they condone attack people and break them down to 'work'.
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Are you saying that you didn't go over there to troll and insult? You can't possibly believe you will do any good posting over there.
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I see that Little Paul/Luke is still keeping the legitimacy of this site questionable.
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On 2006-05-01 20:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I see that Little Paul/Luke is still keeping the legitimacy of this site questionable. "
Maybe someone needs to see just how much being locked up in a program hurts?
Yeah, its pretty venomous and spooky, but what drives a kid to act out that way? "treatment" it aint.
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He obviously wasn't there long enough to see if it may have helped him. I have a strong feeling he gets his way... a lot...or acts like a two yar old with nasty language.
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Oops, I just made the assumption that Paul and Luke are the same poster. Is that correct?
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I wish I could do Hannibal like that.
"Silence of the Programmies", anyone?
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On 2006-05-01 21:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oops, I just made the assumption that Paul and Luke are the same poster. Is that correct?"
No They are bunkmates, Lukes on top , Paul has the bottom bunk.
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On 2006-05-01 21:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He obviously wasn't there long enough to see if it may have helped him. I have a strong feeling he gets his way... a lot...or acts like a two yar old with nasty language."
You should have replaced Scott Mclellan when he resigned as the press secretary... you are an excellent spindoctor.
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Leslie- they are right in many respects. Do not share your personal story and all this information about your son here or anywhere else on the internet. You ARE having a problem with boundaries. The people on this site are not your friends and you will not get the positive feedback you seem to need right now. I want you to stop. NOW. Luke is 16 years old- you already know Nihil is angry and crazy. Don't post here anymore. It is not beneficial to you or anyone else.
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Someone here mentioned the "fornits" website. I had never heard about it before, and went into the website, and posted a question to see if anyone had heard of the TBS that my son is at now. Very interesting, some were nice, others were horrible in the names that they called me, but I don't care, they can't hurt me, they know nothing about my son and I. I posted this morning, and have been gone all afternoon, and just checked, I had 20 responses to my 2. Interesting, huh? These people must not work, and have way too much time on their hands. I will check back to my questions and answers to my question tomorrow and see what is new, however, this is the discussion group that I like and love and find most helpful. Thank you everyone!
Leslie
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On 2006-05-02 06:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Leslie- they are right in many respects. Do not share your personal story and all this information about your son here or anywhere else on the internet. You ARE having a problem with boundaries. The people on this site are not your friends and you will not get the positive feedback you seem to need right now. I want you to stop. NOW. Luke is 16 years old- you already know Nihil is angry and crazy. Don't post here anymore. It is not beneficial to you or anyone else."
Listen to Karen, she learned the hard way. :rofl:
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Leslie, the WHOLE WORLD knows just about everything about your son, because you BLAB it all over ST and now on Fornits. I want you to stop, and show this boy some respect.
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Sorry I ever checked out your site, I am not blabbing as you say, and I won't be back again.
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On 2006-05-02 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sorry I ever checked out your site, I am not blabbing as you say, and I won't be back again.
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10 to 1 says she's back within eight hours.
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On 2006-05-02 06:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-02 06:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Leslie- they are right in many respects. Do not share your personal story and all this information about your son here or anywhere else on the internet. You ARE having a problem with boundaries. The people on this site are not your friends and you will not get the positive feedback you seem to need right now. I want you to stop. NOW. Luke is 16 years old- you already know Nihil is angry and crazy. Don't post here anymore. It is not beneficial to you or anyone else."
Listen to Karen, she learned the hard way. :rofl: "
like when she tried to lie and say her kid was smart and at a top prep school and then we found out he flunked his junior year and was a recycle at a low end-retarded-rich-kid school in jersey. she didn't want anyone to know that.
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Leslie, I love you. Please come back. I'm sorry I was a bad boy. I will give you my best advice. I am all the Mental Health Professional you will ever need.
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On 2006-03-11 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"isnt Karen beautiful?
(http://http://www.iapsnj.org/nia/bikini.jpg)"
have you seen this woman here? she's been posting as "Dysfunktionjunktion" :scared:
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Dysfunk, why do you want me to come back?
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Remind me not to bet against you, DJ.
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No prob. DJ, I won't, and you won't either.
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On 2006-05-01 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love my son, and do care about him. I didn't even know about your site until just the other day when someone from st mentioned it, so I thought I would look at it, and ask if anyone knew about Tyler Ranch and that is all.
No, I am not a FUCK UP MOTHER, in fact I am a good Mother who cares about her son. Sorry you think otherwise. I need to re-read what all of you wrote and will respond later. I do appreciate all that you say, and don't take it lightly, true, I am on st a lot, but it has been very helpful for me, as a parent. I will be 45 in June, (just so you know my age), with boyfriend, and unemployed at this time, but hopefully will find a job soon. Some of you ask why I am asking you now about Tyler Ranch, well, I didn't know anything about your site before now, and obviously none of you know about it, and that is fine.
I don't think the answer for every "bad" kid is therapy, or sending them away, but if one of you were here when he was doing what he was doing, then maybe you would have a different opinion, maybe not. your choice, my choice.
I do respect your site, just so you know. Please respect ST site, as it is for parents who are going through a really hard time, and unless you are parents, I am sorry, but even though you think you know what you are talking about, you don't until you have lived it. The year before I sent my son away, I had to call the police 4-5 times (911 calls), afraid that my son would hurt me, afraid for my life (as I have pictures of what he has done to me in the past). Some people told me to send him to a lock up, but NO I could not and would not do that, he is no that bad. Some said to change the locks on the doors to my house, NO, I couldn't do that either, nor did I have the strength anymore to do that. I did what I could, and now I am very proud of him, graduating from HS on time, and he is the one who wants to go to college.
Thank you all that have replied to me, good or bad, I have no problems with you swearing at me or whatever you have to say to me, and I will think about whatever you say to me. I am not a parent who will ignore my son once he turns 18, not me at all, I will always be there for him if he needs me. I do love my son and always will.
Leslie
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Never expected you to show up here and read my caustic post. Interesting twist.
The violence towards you brings up an interesting issue. The threat of violence is the one exception that even some Fornit's posters say can make out of home placement a requirement. They just would not choose a program to do it.
So tell us about Tyler Ranch. Why did you choose that one? Was an education consultant involved? Did you see the place first? Did you fully understand the process of tough-love programs (break them down, and build them up) when you made the decision?
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There are small percentage of kids who do need to be in residential treatment. This mom may not have made the best choice but she might not have been a bad one either. In addition to the violance issue, you have the gambling issue. And if the kid would not be comliant with GA, with a gambling habit out of control, and people looking for money, he could get hurt or forced into serious criminal activity to pay off debts.
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I had talked to several EC's and finally decided upon Tyler Ranch. I had to find a place that would take a diabetic (since only 7/2004). I had originally found Tyler Ranch on the internet, and talked to them on the phone. They would not take my son (since he had been violent to me in the past numerous times), unless he went to a wilderness program first. The EC was able to get my son in the Ranch's program (and the EC found a reputable escort transport agency for me as well, and the escort agency was also recommended by the wilderness program). Actually my son told me that once he knew he was leaving and read my note to him about where he was going, my son told me that the men who escorted him where great, nice and they even told me my son joked around with them as well. No, I did not see the Ranch first :sad: . I had to take the word of others. I did not think my son needed to go to an RTC nor a lockdown facility. However I really had no idea what other drugs he was using besides pot. Perhaps I made the wrong decision with the Ranch, I don't know. I don't know if this was the right decision, but at the time it was the only option I had. I know these programs are not for everyone. I just hope my son has gotten something out of all of this.
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As I said above in answer to someone else, I did not think nor did I want to send my son to an RTC, or a lockdown facility. Thank you for saying something positive to me, that I MAY not have made a bad choice. The violence was a big issue, as my son had hurt me badly several times, especially the last time, when I told him no more gambling. No, he would not even think of going to GA. He said he didn't have a problem. Numerous times, I had a lot of kids (at one time, my neighbor told me 7 cars came to my house with about 12 guys surrounding my house and front door), looking for my son, saying he stole something from them (I assumed drugs or money), and they wanted it back. They came several times to my house for about 3 days in a row. My son was never home when they came, except one time, and we just kept quiet in the house. I also had to call the police several times, when these kids came, and also when I was afraid for myself with my son. I believe this is why my son isn't going to stay more than 4 days with me after graduation and then will leave the state of AK. I know and he knows that he owes people money. Yes, he could have gotten hurt, or who knows what. I still have one kid calling asking when my son will be home, as he owes him money, I don't answer the phone anymore when he calls, and the first time I told him, that my son wasn't coming home. Thanks.
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DJ you were right: Leslie's back!
Glad I didn't take that 10 to 1 bet.
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Well, Leslie, EVERYBODY now knows exactly when Greg will be home, don't they? And guess who is telling the whole world this boy's business? His own YAK YAK YAKKING mother.
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On 2006-05-03 12:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DJ you were right: Leslie's back!
Glad I didn't take that 10 to 1 bet."
If there's one thing I know about these people it's that they just can't help themselves. The compulsion to justify their behavior is so overwhelming that they just HAVE to come back.
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Reminds me of an ordinary abusive relationship.
Luke thwacks his ball bat into his hand repeatedly. It looks like aluminum, but it's really made of highly conductive carbon steel.
C'mon back, Leslie! I won't hurt you... much.
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Goodby forever, you know nothing about me or my son.
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Tell us more, please. :roll:
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On 2006-05-03 14:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Goodby forever, you know nothing about me or my son."
I know you'll be back. You can't stop yourself.
Maybe it's this type of self-discipline that you modeled for your boy all these years? Say one thing and do the opposite? Ever stop to think how this looks to an adolescent?
Ever read "Catcher in the Rye"? Holden would call you a "giant phony."
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Dude, shes just looking for justification for her actions and feelings, and fornits doesnt provide that. We call people on their bullshit. ST does not, they just justify and 'support' any action any parent feels like taking, period, and on top of that makes them feel like them (and all parents) are saints and all kids who arent perfect are bad, and the parents are the stoic victims blah blah blah.
No wonder they hated me, and no wonder they all took it personally if I brought up the fact that DUH, there are plenty of parents just ditching kids in programs, or who just want attention - be it "omg my kid is so bad I need help" or "omg my kid was so abused omg Im so sorry".
We're wasting our time! They dont want anything but continued whitewashing and sugarcoating, nevermind that in 30~ some odd years of this industry being in existance not one program has proven theyre effective at reducing recidivism, and not one person can justify the fact that their anachronistic and abusive practices that add up to little more than culty behavior modification (for a REALLY high profit) as a service for parents, whether they realize it or not.
Parents who want a better kid get what they want - parents who genuinely care and are twisted and manipulated into a panic over their kid find a solution to that imagined problem via the program, sorta like how the same priest who tries to scare you about hell offers you a way out.
Programs are just the opiate of parents who for some reason cant do the job themselves. Im still waiting for facts that show they work, not just emotionally charged appeals to give them more chances to prove that they work, even with the past 30 years of abuse and brainwashing fresh in everyones mind, and I seriously doubt Ill ever see it!
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Ah, Leslie, if you're going to post your son's phone number, I recommend that you do it now, before he goes on trial for murder.
Whose murder? Yours, Leslie. He's going to kill you, you know. One day he'll be all happy and "Yes, Mom" and "Okay" and everything, and then that night he's going to wake up remembering what was said to him, remembering what they called him, remembering what they made him do. And he's going to be angry, angry with himself for going along with it, angry at his dad for allowing it, and more than that, angry with you.
And he's going to wake you up by putting his hands around your neck and digging his thumbs into your throat as hard as he can. Just like on TV, Leslie. You'll wake up with no air, no air at all. You'll look, pleading, into his eyes and all you'll see is his grin, that malevolent grin that will haunt you for the rest of your very short life.
And when he's finally done and your corpse lies in your bed as if you were simply asleep, he's going to get some mashed-together duct tape or some heavy twine, hook it to the ceiling, and make it look like you killed yourself.
It won't work, of course. The police will find his thumb indentations sufficient evidence to get him to confess. But when he does go, he'll go with a smile on his face, because he finally managed to get you out of his life.
That is funny!