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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Nihilanthic on April 30, 2006, 06:25:00 PM
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No, this isnt a flame, just a statement of its purpose that was made clear to me:
Originaly posted by Jena on Struggling Teens:
As for accountability of programs....that is not this forum's purpose. This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens. We can do that with generalities because we have been doing it for the last three or four years.
I am a VETERAN of newsgroups, the ultimate, unmoderated, free-for-all discussion groups. I have been there, done that when it comes to dealing with trolls, flame wars and other internet goofiness. This is NOT about that!! This is NOT about people getting "emotional" or being touchy.
I already explained what it IS about and I'm not going to do it again.
This forum is not here to be a watch-dog, an advocate for either parents or kids, or anything other than what it is....a supportive place for people dealing with struggling teens. Why is that so hard to understand?
Well, I think its pretty obvious.
Its about the parents, and their feelings and emotions, nothing else. :roll:
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Originally posted by Jena on Struggling Teens:
"This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens".
Well at least she is clear about their purpose.
It would be a bit counter productive for Lon Woodbury to allow any thing "anti-industry", including fair and balanced information.
Unfortunately, for the parent seeking help, they are getting a very one sided picture.
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Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.
It is not just a one-sided picture. No program is perfect. It is a matter of making the best choice for a particular teen.
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On 2006-04-30 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.
Bullshit, you're trolling again.
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On 2006-04-30 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whenever a parent posts and asks for information on a specific program, they hear the pros and cons from a number of people who have actually had experience with the program. Many parents did not like some things about the program or some of the staff- they will communicate this to anyone considering the program.
It is not just a one-sided picture. No program is perfect. It is a matter of making the best choice for a particular teen. "
Theyre told shit by other program parents on struggling teens, edcons, and anyone else lurking there. There is no open discussion or criticism. There is no challenging, there is no accountability, its just whoever gets to them first.
Its also not a secret taht a lot of the way these programs are 'sold' is to either create, or take advantage of an existing emotional distress of the parent and offer the program as a solution to that. :roll:
That, alone, is basically bullshit and nothing but a vehicle for selling programs.
The other thing? How is any of this about the "best interest of the teen" when in 25+ years, not one program in this screwed up industry has ever proven its effectiveness? How is it they still operate so secretively?
Why is the isolation justified? How about the long term stays? Thats not how REAL therapy works! The nonconsentual commitment and forced captivity is not how therapy works either. Its a necessary evil for someone whose actively tryign to hurt himself or others, but guess what? As soon as that risk is over, theyre let out. Be it in a hour, or days, or weeks, or whatever - not months to years.
Restraint is used as corporal punishment in programs! Thats torture and abuse in and of itself, but in addition they use PAIN COMPLIANCE restraint, stress positions, and being locked up in "OP" or "R&R" or whatever euphamism they have for "the hole".
These programs operate in a behavior modification model, nothing more, nothing less. They cant prove they work or provide any therapy at all, have not really changed much over the past 3 decades, and a lot of what they use is either anachronistic and abusive (LGAT seminars) or just ineffective.
So, considering not one place can even prove they work or help anything, there are constant accusations of abuse against a lot of these, and what they ADMITTEDLY USE is either ineffective or abusive, how the hell is this good for any child at all?
Its not. Its to make the parents feel better by taking the problem away for a long time, and to make a lot of money for the people running these places, and Ive yet to see a shred of evidence to the contrary.
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Nihil ... ya sorta already got it, or ya super S....L....O
ya got this place and some others to do yer accountability stuf
everything don't have ta be all yer way. some folk like sumthin beyond don't do it or yer an abusive, stupid ass
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On 2006-04-30 15:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nihil ... ya sorta already got it, or ya super S....L....O
ya got this place and some others to do yer accountability stuf
everything don't have ta be all yer way. some folk like sumthin beyond don't do it or yer an abusive, stupid ass"
HUH? :???:
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Wouldn't you fucking think that if they really wanted to help the struggling teens, they'd invite the teens themselves to post there?
*laughs at the prospect of them actually doing that*
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On 2006-04-30 16:00:00, Luke Stephens wrote:
"Wouldn't you fucking think that if they really wanted to help the struggling teens, they'd invite the teens themselves to post there?
*laughs at the prospect of them actually doing that*
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Its all about the feelings of the parents - and how they feel that you WERE at risk of being "Deadinsaneorinjail" or whatever, and they DID do the right thing, but it was very very hard (for them!) and they find comfort in that. They did the right thing, suffered stoically, did all the hard work, and feel very good about it, and dont want that challenged in any way.
So, naturally, they flip out if I take the foundation out of their belief system by stating that its neither therapeutic, nor that 99% of these kids need a god damn thing, or directly attack it by saying theyre full of it and need to grow up.
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Struggling Trolls are not about truth, or fact, they want a place to continue living in their fake realit they pay so much to create for themselves. They want to have a group of self-congratulatory parents who had to suffer through their horrible teen's abuse. They are a board for child abusers who use cute orwellian terms like "tbs" and "escort" to describe the abusive environments they throw their kids into. They tell their friends they sent their kid to a boarding school, and continue to live in their fake reality. Of course they don't want you there posting, you remind them of the real world, something they are desperately trying to avoid. There are no bad kids, only bad parents.
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This is the really stupid part:
This forum's purpose is to be supportive of people dealing with struggling teens.
Who, exactly, is struggling here? :???:
Here's an idea, let's change the direction of this thread and make its purpose a supportive place for people dealing with struggling trolls. (Struggling to keep their stories straight, that is.)
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StrugglingTeens is a business, plain and simple. The trolls on their forum are simply their shills.
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On 2006-04-30 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"StrugglingTeens is a business, plain and simple. The trolls on their forum are simply their shills."
And this forum, too.
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BTW, luke, if you dont mind me asking - where were you sent to for a 'program', and why were you sent there? And, how were you sprung out?
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Fucking- why do people keep asking me that? I don't want to talk about it. The authorities raided it, that's all I'm saying.
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to Luke,
You have an open invitation to come on down to Struggling Teens-
we would actually love to have input from teens who have been in these programs (especially withing the last few years).
Contrary to popular belief here, we do welcome cons (as well as pros) so first hand knowledge would be most appreciated (so long as it is true)
parent of ST
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ST is for TOXIC, dysfunctional parents who have nothing better to do now that their children are away at "boarding school" (wink, wink, nod, nod). Generally speaking, they are self-absorbed, self-involved, emotionally challenged hypocrites. Some of them are downright mean as a junkyard dog, while others are just plain clueless (aka "dumb as rocks") and easily manipulated by the program recruiters in their midst. All in all, if this was a reality show, nobody could stomach watching it.
:smokin:
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On 2006-04-30 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"to Luke,
You have an open invitation to come on down to Struggling Teens-
we would actually love to have input from teens who have been in these programs (especially withing the last few years)."
What the fuck? Why the fuck would I want to? I just said I didn't want to talk about it, asshole. There isn't even an 'appropriate' forum for me to post there in. What the hell do you want, a detailed description, so you can make judgments about it? I don't even think you smacktards would have supported a place like that (although I could be wrong, and that's fucking scary).
Looks like everyone who has been in these shitpits is on fucking Fornits, anyway. Why not come here and ask the people who have been in much longer?
Oh, wait. Fornits is heavily biased against programs. Right.
Ever think there might be a reason the vast majority of the posts are negative, bitch?
How about THIS: Why not cooperate with a program to do a research experiment? Get everyone in one place and tell them that if they wanted to leave, with no consequences, they could get in your vehicle and be driven directly home. Make good on the promise, too. See how many stay and how many go.
Be sure to bring a big enough bus.
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I could have sworn I was logged in.
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Luke- have you thought about medication?
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Anonymous- have you thought about suicide?
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On 2006-04-30 18:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"ST is for TOXIC, dysfunctional parents who have nothing better to do now that their children are away at "boarding school" (wink, wink, nod, nod). Generally speaking, they are self-absorbed, self-involved, emotionally challenged hypocrites. Some of them are downright mean as a junkyard dog, while others are just plain clueless (aka "dumb as rocks") and easily manipulated by the program recruiters in their midst. All in all, if this was a reality show, nobody could stomach watching it.
:smokin:
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Right on! And I am a parent. I am here to tell the world that you that you speak the truth. My daughter was in a jr. hi program after taking an overdose (boy did they hype the "therapy"). She actually did well although the assholes betrayed us and totally fucked up anything positive she got out of it in the end. Guess what? I finally realized any "good" that came out of this program was because she was finally away from her crazy, fucked-up parents and not in the middle of their bullshit anymore. Father: totally narcissistic, hypocritical sociopathic rich MD with a "golden prescription pad" for himself, drug addict, pillar of the community, pathological liar,. Mother (me) weak, scared pretty much malipulated until one day I finally got pissed enough to do something about it.
ANGER(FROM Eternal Echoes by John O'Donohue):
"When you feally inhabit your anger, you enter into your power as a perosn. This should not be a permanent neccessity. If you are in a situation where you are being CONTROLLED or BULLIEDE (CAPS ARE MINE), the expression of your anger can liberate you. It is frightening that we often secretly believe that those who have power over us have right on their side, and our duty is to comply. No one can oppess you without some anger awakening in you, even covertly. If you listen th that anger, it will call you to recognize your right to an integrity of presence. And it will bring you to acto and clearly show your strength. It is astounding how each day we give aay so much of our power to systems and people who are totally UNWORTHY OF IT. Ultimately anger points toward life. When your anger flames, it targets the falsity of expectation or rightness of belonging that is being inflicted on you. Anger breaks you free, suddenly". :flame:
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It's interesting that most of the parents on here who are really opposed to programs have an issue with an ex-spouse and use the program thing as a way to dump on the other parent. i.e. Deborah and this last poster.
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On 2006-04-30 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's interesting that most of the parents on here who are really opposed to programs have an issue with an ex-spouse and use the program thing as a way to dump on the other parent. i.e. Deborah and this last poster."
And it is interesting how the trolls like to shift the focus away from the crappiness of these programs and write if all off as dumping on an ex-spouse.
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On 2006-04-30 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's interesting that most of the parents on here who are really opposed to programs have an issue with an ex-spouse and use the program thing as a way to dump on the other parent. i.e. Deborah and this last poster."
Listen troll, there are a LOT of parents who SUPPORT the programs that have issues with ex-spouses too. They are too busy wasting their money to post here.
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On 2006-04-30 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's interesting that most of the parents on here who are really opposed to programs have an issue with an ex-spouse and use the program thing as a way to dump on the other parent. i.e. Deborah and this last poster."
Oh my god! My ex is trolling this website!!!!!! ::bangin::
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Luke,
You need some serious anger management classes, and perhaps an admission to a psych hospital (or are they all abusive too).
Seriously, you are the one who needs some help. Hiding behind all of the vulgar language really discredits you. I hope you find what you are looking for. And yes, I have contemplated suicide......
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Try harder next time. :wink:
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Wow, you people are horrably mean to each other, god forbid we have discussion. All I see is a bunch of low shots and back handed comments, punctuated with some one saying something intelligent.
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Overlordd- you are a much needed voice of reason here.
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On 2006-05-01 09:45:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Wow, you people are horrably mean to each other, god forbid we have discussion. All I see is a bunch of low shots and back handed comments, punctuated with some one saying something intelligent."
The irony. :rofl: :lol:
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anon who said "to try harder",
I want you to go with Luke (unless of course you are Luke)- perhaps you can get a discount-
grow up or shut up!
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I just read the title to this thread and wondered to myself, Nihil, if ST is a total waste of time then why is it you continue to post there.
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To warn the parents who might be stupid enough to use it as a genuine resource?
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yes, I know the irony is very heavy in me saying that but ::shrugs:: I learned it pays to be civil.
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On 2006-05-01 13:54:00, Luke Stephens wrote:
"To warn the parents who might be stupid enough to use it as a genuine resource?
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I'm new here...
Is this a genuine resource?
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Overlordd, I liked you better when you were a bit less civil. You took a stand.
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On 2006-05-01 19:38:00, wild fig wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 13:54:00, Luke Stephens wrote:
"To warn the parents who might be stupid enough to use it as a genuine resource?
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I'm new here...
Is this a genuine resource?"
No- it is not a resource at all.
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I still take a stand, but im civil about it. I know their wrong, but I dont have to attack them personally. Its more like I have to keep you guys in check, so some of you dont make us all look like asses.
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On 2006-05-01 20:04:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Struggling Teens banned me for posting threads calling for survivor stories, abuses I witnessed as a counselor, and asking publically if the reason why my threads are being deleted is if it has anything to do with the advertising dollars.
Or was it accusing Lon of being a money grubbing leach?
Ah well no biggie, I am surprised I lasted that long.
Struggling Teens is a for profit endeavor and will not allow anyone to rock the boat to hard out of fear of jeapardizing their bottom line.
I see myself making a comeback via a proxy server soon in the future.
There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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You should have taken screenshots :roll:
EDIT: Im bant too. Hur?[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-05-01 20:11 ]
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When did you get baned?
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When I told the truth...
(http://http://blackmage.org/bm/my%20pics/shifteyeyes.jpg)
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... oh my sweet god....
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On 2006-05-01 20:15:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"When I told the truth...
(http://http://blackmage.org/bm/my%20pics/shifteyeyes.jpg)"
actually, it was when he went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and ....... without anything to back him up. And he was invited to send verifiable proof of his so-far unsupported assertions.
there is a way to do things effectively, but he hasn't figured that out
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The parents scare off the potential customers all on their own. I'm surprised he's kept that forum open, it's a view into the dysfunctional world of program parents. They attract their own kind, like moths to a flame.
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OverLordd, you gotta be kidding right? Every post has been a parody of your earlier self and behavior..... right? ::eek3::
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On 2006-05-01 20:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 20:15:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"When I told the truth...
(http://http://blackmage.org/bm/my%20pics/shifteyeyes.jpg)"
actually, it was when he went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and ....... without anything to back him up. And he was invited to send verifiable proof of his so-far unsupported assertions.
there is a way to do things effectively, but he hasn't figured that out"
Um, it was that one specific thing that was misquoted TO me about Straight that I retracted.
But no, thats not why I was banned.
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On 2006-05-01 20:38:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"You was banned cause of me!!!
Sorrrrrry!You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.
--Charles Austin Beard
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Send me a cask of some bitter to my door, and we'll be even :grin:
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This from some one who said.
Hi I am a dweeb with to much time on my hands. I don't have a girlfriend, and my penis hurts because I masterbate to much. Don't worry give me a day or two and I will get back at that Bastard TSW for his mean and hurtful words by either zapping him with my toad tickler, or unleashing my programmie doo hickey thing a majigger on him. Till then I am going to whisk away to an electronic dream land of turtle porn, and gingersnap cookies. Maybe later I will go outside, but I have to becareful because exposure to sunlight after 14 years of hiding in my room will make my skin fall off. I am trying to make a meaningful point by doing this poll rigging, but thus far I am over-compensating for my tard like actions that I do know are stupid.
And so on and so forth, and your talking to me about manners?
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On 2006-05-01 20:04:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Struggling Teens banned me for posting threads calling for survivor stories, abuses I witnessed as a counselor, and asking publically if the reason why my threads are being deleted is if it has anything to do with the advertising dollars.
Or was it accusing Lon of being a money grubbing leach?
Ah well no biggie, I am surprised I lasted that long.
Struggling Teens is a for profit endeavor and will not allow anyone to rock the boat to hard out of fear of jeapardizing their bottom line.
I see myself making a comeback via a proxy server soon in the future.
There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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So you witnessed abuse? What'd ya do about it? Call the cops to save the kiddies? Call the State Protective services to save the kiddies?
Or do nothing and keep cashing the paychecks???
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On 2006-05-01 21:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-01 20:04:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Struggling Teens banned me for posting threads calling for survivor stories, abuses I witnessed as a counselor, and asking publically if the reason why my threads are being deleted is if it has anything to do with the advertising dollars.
Or was it accusing Lon of being a money grubbing leach?
Ah well no biggie, I am surprised I lasted that long.
Struggling Teens is a for profit endeavor and will not allow anyone to rock the boat to hard out of fear of jeapardizing their bottom line.
I see myself making a comeback via a proxy server soon in the future.
There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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So you witnessed abuse? What'd ya do about it? Call the cops to save the kiddies? Call the State Protective services to save the kiddies?
Or do nothing and keep cashing the paychecks???
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He already said in previous posts... he was a TRUE BELIEVER, and was taken like a fool basically. But, I guess kimchi helped free his mind.
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A true believer in child abuse??? How could anyone believe in that?
I really don't buy that as an excuse for abusing kids. Do you all seriously think that someone can be convinced to abuse children??? I know no one could ever make me willingly abuse a kid, let alone PAY me to do it.
So what happened? Was he fired and so now he's pissed and wants to whine about what they "made" him do??? Or he had a change of heart? What made him realize suddenly one day "Oh Golly Gee, I've been abusing kids!!! I have been played the FOOL!!! Guess I'd better stop!"
Doesn't hold water at all.
He still could've called the cops and actually as a mandated reporter, he broke the law by NOT calling them.
So what is the excuse for doing NOTHING???? Why isn't he doing something NOW??? Like telling the authorities and being a witness in court????
I think he's lying somewhere.
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On 2006-05-01 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A true believer in child abuse??? How could anyone believe in that?
I really don't buy that as an excuse for abusing kids. Do you all seriously think that someone can be convinced to abuse children??? I know no one could ever make me willingly abuse a kid, let alone PAY me to do it.
So what happened? Was he fired and so now he's pissed and wants to whine about what they "made" him do??? Or he had a change of heart? What made him realize suddenly one day "Oh Golly Gee, I've been abusing kids!!! I have been played the FOOL!!! Guess I'd better stop!"
Doesn't hold water at all.
He still could've called the cops and actually as a mandated reporter, he broke the law by NOT calling them.
So what is the excuse for doing NOTHING???? Why isn't he doing something NOW??? Like telling the authorities and being a witness in court????
I think he's lying somewhere."
Yanno what? I was all ready to say something, but Im too damn tired, so Ill let TSW shut you up.
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Why shut me up? These are honest questions that ought to concern anyone who is listening to what he has to say. If he really wants to take on the "cause", then he'd better have some good answers...much better than "I was played the fool". Someone will ask. Probably someone with a lot more clout than me.
This is just useless whining on a child's forum, but if you want to make lasting changes, you'd better get your ducks in a row, start telling the truth and come up with better reasons than "but I was a twue bewiever".
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GO READ HIS FUCKING POSTS????
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=51&13 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14988&forum=51&13)
There. Title "Birth of a monster".
Tells all.
God, are you new here?
Also Im officially posting drunk tired and... yeah. :idea:
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Gee, a 3 chapter story about how what you did is everyone else's fault.
Did the credit card gods hold a gun to your head and make you get yourself in debt so that you could not turn down this job?
You blame your problems with self-control and anger on others. Sounds like you just plain have an abusive personality to me. Abusive people like to blame others for their anger, then they don't have to hold themselves accountable for what they did...and they can keep on doing it, in one form or another.
You claim you will assage your guilt by speaking out, yet you do so on a totally anonymous internet forum frequented by the uninformed and immature. No wonder you still feel guilty, you aren't really doing anything to truly make ammends for your bad behavior.
Try calling the cops and filing reports of the abuse you witnessed and also turn yourself in for the abuse you committed. Spend some time in jail, or at the very least on probation. Spend some time in court ordered counseling...preferrably in anger management. You need it.
You can blame anyone and anything you want, but the fact of the matter is that YOU and you alone chose your course of action. Everything from slamming a kid down to making him roll a rock with his nose. There was no birth of a monster...you already were one or it would have never happened.
You are pathetic.
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No, it's a good show man. I love it when they show their true colors, bravo. Bravo.
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I hear PVT Lynndie England is writing a book about why she did the things she did at Abu Ghraib. I'm sure she'll feel better.
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Mind YOUR OWN BUSINESS! These parents of struggling teens need support and do not need you idiots disparaging them. Lon Woodbury and the folks at Struggling Teens are doing God's work.
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ST is for parents, not kids, it is not a waste of time for parents.
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Yeah. Its a place to go to get attention and reinforcement so you can keep on believing you did no wrong, and its all the kids fault.
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BSarro
And who are you to decide what is God's work? You speak for God? If I remember my theology correctly, no one has heard from him in say. 2000 years or so (give or take 50 ish)
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I know what god wants because being a HIGH CLASS ROMAN CATHOLIC means I know. All other religions are false.
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God talks to me all the time, you are really missing out.
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Do not believe the word of false prophets. BSarro earned themselves a one way trip to hell already, ignore the plight of fools. Follow the word of God, and raise your children right, in your home. There are no need for programs, my father agrees.
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Oh... Oh God... Thats so funny... I swear that brought a tear to my eye here. :rofl:
But seriously. Thats so pretty blaspemous stuff you just spouted there.
Are you serious BSarro?
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Dude. READ BSarro's posts. And his/her/its name. 100% troll.
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FORNITS HAS SUFFERED THE INDIGNITY OF AN INVASION AT THE HANDS OF STRUGGLINGTEENS.COM OWN HSTREET.
HSTREET DARES TO SHOW HIS HEAD IN THIS LAND OF FREEDOM.
HSTREET MOCKS AND RIDICULES HIS BETTERS WHEN HE HIMSELF IS GUILTY OF SO MUCH.
HSTREET HOW MANY OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN WHEN TO TBS?
HSTREET HOW MANY TIMES DID YOUR OWN CHILDREN'S CRIES FOR RELIEF FROM THE CRUEL LASH OF THIER MASTER'S HAND?
YOUR DAY OF JUDGEMENT IS AT HAND HSTREET. THIS IS GOD SPEAKING AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND WANTING IN THE EYES OF THE LORD.
YOUR ENTERNAL PUNISHMENT TILL THE DAY YOU DIE HSTREET IS TO KNOW YOUR OWN FAILURES AS A FATHER. THE MAN WHO LASHES OUT SO STRONGLY TO ACCOST OTHERS WITH HIS EVIL TONGUE, YET WILL BEAR NO STAIN OF HIS OWN MISDEEDS. MISDEEDS THAT COST HIS OWN SEED SO VERY MUCH OF THEIR FREEDOM, AND RIGHT TO BE CHILDREN.
UPON YOUR DEATH HSTREET YOU WILL BANISHED TO THE BOWELS OF HELL. THERE YOU WILL SUFFER THE ENDLESS CREATIVE TORMENT OF LUCIFER'S MINIONS. THEY WILL FLAY YOUR FLESH BARE WITH THEIR WHIPS AND FILL YOUR WOUNDS WITH THE FIRE OF THE UNDERWORLD. YOU WILL CRY TO ME, YOU WILL BEG ME FOR REDEMPTION AND FORGIVENESS. YET YOU FORGET HSTREET, I AM GOD, AND I HAVE FOUND YOU GUILTY OF ABANDONING YOUR CHILDREN TO THE SOULLESS MACHINE OF THE TBS INDUSTRY, AND FOR SODOMIZING A PIG.
YOU ASSHOLE I REALLY LIKED THAT PIG.
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Holy mother of God.... Has it always been this bad? And stop screaming please.
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On 2006-05-02 02:40:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Sorry but in fact I hold absolutely no one at all to blame for my actions other myself. Your suggestions will of course be filed in the appropriate receptacle the almighty round file next to my desk.
Once you see the finished product the entire sequence of events will be all the more explainable. Hopefully it should be out for publishing at the end of 2007, not exactly sure. If not paper published then I fully intend to post it online for full browsing.
Let me know where you live and I will send you an autographed copy. The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Explainable? Child abuse is...EXPLAINABLE????
I cannot believe that the children and young adults who frequent this forum actually let you stick around. Don't they have any clue that a good, decent, moral person can NOT be "misled" to child abuse? There is no way I would've done those things to those poor kids, yet you did.
You say you take full responsibility, yet your pathetic essay is not titled "I was a monster". I do believe that people can change their ways and come to believe the error of what they once did, but the monster was not born. You ARE that monster, whether you like it or not.
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"Now that are little friends have left us, I am adding a post so that I don't have to see Nihil's name every time I pull up the index page! Thanks, Lon and Jena, for keeping this forum a supportive place for parents."
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To Anon,
First of all I Am a Loving Mother that Has lived through the Nightmare of my precious daughter being in a wilderness camp, she is home now,.. but until all of the legal issues are over I have Tried my best Not to post on here because They Do watch this site, BUT I had to respond to your uninformed and outrageous post !!
I am an INFORMED Mother Now Thanks to TS and SO many others on this site!! TS Does know what he is talking about and he CARES about kids!! You have no idea how much his help and support did for my Daughter and myself!! He is an awesome person as are so many others on this site, TS and the other wonderful people on here that took the time out of their busy lives to reach out a kind & caring hand by posting or sending emails or both :nworthy:
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Glad to know we did some good :grin:
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On 2006-05-02 12:55:00, OverLordd wrote:
"BSarro
And who are you to decide what is God's work? You speak for God? If I remember my theology correctly, no one has heard from him in say. 2000 years or so (give or take 50 ish)"
Yes, BSarro is quite close to God. She's a high class Cathlic who came seeking advice when her daughter decided to date a "low class Jew".
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#81564 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8227&forum=9&start=0#81564)
Welcome Back, B! :wstupid: ::troll:: All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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TS, It is all so true...and I Thank You, Ginger and SO many more from the bottom of my heart...I don't think you all know Just how much you all did for me and helped me, and for my daughter, when she would read post and emails she said if felt good knowing people knew what she was going through and how she felt and that it wasn't just in her mind!!
I have been on here a few different times reading different post and wanted to post some things myself....but I have to wait :grin: , please let me know when it goes on sale..and where it can be bought..and I would love to have an autographed copy :grin:
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Glad to know we did some good
Oh YES YES YES, You all did So much better than just Good!! You all Did GREAT and you all still are!!
If you all knew how much I talk about this site to Everyone that will listen to me :nworthy:
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Thank You..
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Knowing you and your kid are out and happy is all the thanks we'd ever need.
Well, maybe hearing from your kid, and getting her (and your) story out to the media and the right advocatsy groups.
State approved kidnapping isn't something america should be tolerating. And yeah, Ill be in melbourne by august... I'd be all too pleased to crawl right up this camps ass or help in any way :em:
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My Daughter and myself will be telling all as Soon as we are able to do so. We are still jumping through hoops ..But she is home where she belongs.
If there are any parents out there reading this and thinking about letting your child be placed in ANY type of camps PLEASE DON'T!! I wished I could explain it all now But I can't at this moment...but soon.. Just take it from a Mother that has fought Hard to get her daughter out of what was supposed to be a "good camp" ....I did not put her in there she was court ordered to be placed in there. If you love your child at all NO matter what is going on with the child PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT let them go to ANY place (camps, wilderness,ect.)that has TOTAL control ...mind and/or otherwise over your child. If you think they(your child)has problems now...WELL.. when you do get them out not only will they still have the problems that they started with, but added on problems that they have developed while in there from the mind games that are played with them!! So Please even if you are at your wits end (and by the way I was NOT) just Please do NOT let anyone do more damage to your child. They are children and are easily confused, brainwashed, ect. to the point that they will say or do anything that the people that CONTROLL them tell them to just to please them & to make their(the child) lives in these places bearable!! Could you as an adult have someone 24/7 playing mind games on you...making you feel like you are nothing, trying to turn you against your loved ones..I don't think I could!! and I Am a Strong woman that is worse than a mamma lion fighting to protect her cub!!.....
and it is OUR place as their parent to protect our children!!! I pray that if any parent is even thinking about putting their child in one of these places that they will take the time to really read all they can here on Fornits' and the other sites that the TRUE Good people on here will guide you to. Granted there are some people on here as on any site that Don't care about the kids and they will give Bad advice, but if you read some of their other post by doing research on them you will find out they are usually what they call "Trolls"..BUT The people on here that know what they are talking about and DO care Always call them out (and I get a tickle out of that, because I didn't know and sometimes still don't) when I first came to Fornits' I didn't know what a troll was nor did I know who truly Cared about all of the kids, but it doesn't take long to find out. And the ones that do care will extend out a Very Helping hand to guide you and encourage you to the TRUTH about these "therapeutic camps".I wished I could put up billboards everwhere to tell ALL parents about Fornits because they tell the TRUTH and they know what they are talking about!!! When I first found out where my daughter was being sent I did search the web for information on the place, but all I found was "Their sites" and it all sounded Wonderful..Boy was I in for a SHOCK!!! It took me a long time to find Fornits..
when you are going through such an emotional devastating time you don't really have the time nor energy to spend a lot of time on a computer. I went through pages and pages sites and sites before I found this place(Fornits) that confirmed what I already knew that I was NOT just being an over-protective Mother and also knew in my heart that this place(the camp) where her daughter was placed was not where she should be nor was it what it was supposed to be!!
I do apologize for the length of this post, I just want a parent ANY parent to realize how helpful this site is before they make a mistake that they will be carrying around in the depth of their heart forever .
When you look into your child's eyes that used to light up and be so full of life one day and then months later look into those same eyes and see confusing, sadness, fear and hurt it is something you will NEVER forget. When the smile that used to light up a room when she smiled is now more of a smile that is just a smile because that is what she is supposed to do. When you see your child just sitting there at times staring off ,but with all most a fearful stare and you put your arms around your child and hug her and ask what is wrong ...and a tear runs down her face and your child says "They can't get me back can they? Please don't let them take me back." ....Parents PLEASE listen up these images will NEVER leave your heart or mind...and if ANYONE out there thinks that "Oh that is a kid working on a parent" then they (the parent) does NOT know their child at all!! What these kids go through is unbelievable. We would be thrown under a jail if we did it to our kids!! Please don't let your kids suffer through the mental abuse, physical abuse is bad and it carries a lot of scars,but the mental abuse carries deep in their heart and soul. Please protect your precious children ...ask the people around here on who to go to for help if your child is out of your control, BUT please don't believe the bull.... that is being put out there that "these camps " help your kids...Because they DON'T!!
Thank you all for letting me rant some.
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FT, I'm so glad to hear she's home now! More than that, understood! I hope you never misunderestimate the value of that right there. It's everything!
And I hope you will see your way clear to tell the whole story one day soon. I suspect there are a LOT of people w/ similar stories to tell but they just don't think anyone will believe them or have any sympathy for them. The reason why I so strongly suspect it is because I know something about the people who run these programs and who hold sway in the public sector in florida, JJD and the private sector juvenile rehabs.
Here's an excellent read all about how these sadistic lunatics think and behave:
http://www.morerevealed.com/books/horror/rfhorror.jsp (http://www.morerevealed.com/books/horror/rfhorror.jsp)
May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.
-- George Carlin
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Nihilantic: What place did you get stuck in? How long were you there for? It seems to have affected you pretty severely.
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Never been in a PROGRAM, but I was in a super watered down version of one. Didnt scar me so much as just make me wonder how fucked up it was.
Closest thing to one Ive ever been in was during one of the times some asshat misdiagnosed me (this time, bipolar) and filled me full of lithium and had me taken to a county run alternative school.
I was in 5th grade and the work I was doing was so far beneath me it was ridiculous. They had a 4 level system based on behavior there, behave better you can do more to play around at the end of the day. I once had mine busted down when my two teachers were talking about why one of them ate peanuts throughout the day for her diet... the other one was rather obese and suggested he try the same.
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And no, Id never compare the experience I had at "Bridges" (what I think that school was called) to any of these BM programs. I went there for half-days instead of regular school, it was hardly a residential type thing.
EDIT: Ive done some digging about it...
http://www.wcpss.net/Instructional/alte ... idges.html (http://www.wcpss.net/Instructional/alteducation/bridges.html)
Lookie there. Now that Im jogging my memory I was given IQ testing there (whee, 146!) and I also saw some social workers.
Nothing was wrong with me at all, so I left after a few weeks. But I do remember that it was basically really stupid, patronizing (to me) school work and the teachers would be very snappy about any perceived insult to them. I also know they did what I know know to be illegal restraints and would boast about how kids would bruise their hands beating on the door of that locking room.
It didnt have any cathartic therapy bullshit, no LGATs, no mindfuck at all... just a school with academia on the level of 'retarded' with a level system, restraints, and a locking time out room.
:roll: well, cant say I was abused, however I can say It was a total waste of time, that room scared me (Im a claustrophobe) and at the time I just sort of 'went along' with whatever was done with me because I was a 10 year old kid and I was more worried about watching cartoons and anime on FoxKids (I was into sailor moon at the time :lol: ) and playing video games, and I was glad I got to go home so early and the classwork was easy.
I was always very very well behaved (and downright passive and a bit of a whimp, which I now regret :sad:) so I never saw the bad side of that place, except when in my naiveté I told a fat teachers assistant to try the diet the teacher was taking, and I saw the the restraint and locking in that room the OTHER kids went through.[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2006-05-15 23:59 ]
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If you've never been to a program, how can you possibly know what it's been like. I was in alternative education too, but it wasn't as you explain. I've also been to jail and there's alot less freedoms and alot more "mental abuse" there. I'm not saying I agree with the theraputic value in these so called theraputic boarding schools. I don't at all. But it's hard to hear where you're coming from if you've never experienced one first hand yourself. You talk as if you were there for years and experienced first hand what it's like. All your freedoms are stripped, but it does force you to take a look at yourself becuase there is nothing else to reflect on. It was up to me how long I was going to stay there, so I just went with it, did what everyone expected me to do and went on with my life. There was no physical abuse, just people taking advantage of their authority because they could. I hated that. I had to have the last say. I hated authority, that's why I was there. I made some awesome friendships which is the only thing that got me through. as I look at myself now, I did put my parents thorough a hell. They gave me everything and I chewed them up and swallowed them up - I never appreciated what I had because I always figured I'd have it. Little did I know, I'd get sent away and not have any of it. It was either - six months of a theraputic boarding school or a year in jail - court ordered - parent ordered. If you've ever spent time in jail, which I did =- four times, you'd take the school any day of the year. Trust me. Jail is much much worse. I'd never go back to either. I'm an adult now and I'm getting on with my life in the right way. My parents didn't do wrong by me - I certainly did wrong by them. I pretty much found every way in the book to "fuck em'" I guess they found a way to get back at me. My worst nightmare of my life - no abuse, no restraints, just assholes taking advantage of their authority. THe one thing I hate the most.
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Okay beenthere85,
Which place were you in? To say such statements why don't you talk about which TBS you were at? Hell, if it was that great......throw out a recomendation!
R
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It's another fake; they're getting desperate.
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On 2006-05-16 20:02:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"Also while I do find Niles to be immature at times and lacking in the pratical experiences of a survivor or a staff memember in this particular issue I can in no way fault him for the message he exspouses.
His message is simple and very concise. TBS is not effective and abusive. I fail to see how one would need to be a survivor or a former staff member to speak out a simple truth. Maybe it is just me and my own specific world point of view that the truth is still the truth no matter what the source.
So as a personal message for Niles:
1) Keep up the good work and do not ever feel the need to defend your qualifications to speak the truth.
2) No matter how much you babble you are still only a third of the man I am, but I won't hold it against you. Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas
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Thanks TSW :wave:
Now, to the person making the rather screw-ball appeal to experience:
I think it would be very said if people only cared about or understood things they personally experienced. However, thats not the case.
I dont quite know why youre telling me what I already know and then telling me "you didnt suffer it yourself". Im on YOUR side, and Im trying to end that suffering so nobody else ever has to!
Why is it Im not able to have empathy, sympathy, or any other understanding unless I was being mindfucked myself? Isn't it a good thing that Im able to without having to have been through it myself?
I for one thing its a good thing that people who wernet personally abused are willing to speak up about it and try to stop it. You should be to - it helps lend credibility to it, an outside perspective (but with equal understanding) can be helpful with trying to explain this to people, and as an aside... why would you shoot down any help you're getting?
I dont quite get it. But the whole 'you have to EXPERIENCE it' schpiel is something a lot of programs spew incessantly to the people within them and to others when theyre playing the role of apologist, so its no surprise.