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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 11:27:00 AM
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FrequentQuestions.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FrequentQuestions.aspx)
What happens if my child is not feeling well?
We have a full-time nurse on staff seven days a week. A pediatrician visits campus at least once a week to see students (twice a week when needed). For routine appointments/check-ups, we ask that parents try to schedule appointments during the student's home visits. If this is not possible, we are able to take students to appointments for an additional fee (if the visit is not local). Parents will need to let the nurse know what appointments are necessary. In most cases, the nurse will schedule the appointment and a staff member will escort the student to their appointment. If a student has a medical emergency, we will take them to Chestatee Medical Center's Emergency Room (Dahlonega), or to Northside Hospital's Emergency Room (Atlanta).
What are the other ways that I am able to communicate with my child?
All of your child's incoming and outgoing mail will be read for appropriateness and content. During the Earth Element, students are allowed to write to their parents, siblings under 12, and grandparents. During the Water Element, students are allowed to write to extended family members approved by their parents. These letters will be sent to parents for their approval. Letters sent to the students from extended family members must be sent to the parents for approval before being mailed to HLA. During the Fire Element, students can write up to five friends approved by the family. These letters, like those sent to extended family members, will go through the parents for the entirety of the program. When sending mail to your child, please put their name on the outside of the envelope, along with the Peer Group Number. This will help facilitate the students getting their mail quickly. Our mailing address is:
830 Hidden Lake Road
Dahlonega, Georgia 30533
Ok, they can claim "appropriateness" when trying to excuse censorship of mail to old friends (although we all know it's just part and parcel of the isolation of the kid) but what the hell kind of a reasonable explanation are they giving these parents as to why their childs letters to them are monitored? WE all know why but I wonder what crap story they give the parents.
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Hm...maybe Fornits' should have it's own HLA FAQ. You know, like a bulletin at the top of the page.
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Hidden Lake Academy has an all-inclusive tuition of $5,950 per month. However, the monthly tuition does not include the following:
Uniforms ($1,400 at enrollment)
Computer Rental (optional $600)
Transportation for Medical/Dental Appointments (if needed)
Psychological Testing (if needed)
Formal Individual Therapy (if needed)
Transportation to the Airport for Seasonal Breaks
What the hell does "all inclusive" mean to them?
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Psychological Testing (if needed)
Goes to show that they don't test every kid. This can make for an extremely dangerous mixture.
But they don't care about that. That's why they admit pedophiled and violent felons. As recently as last Christmas they reportedly allowed a kid who had sexually abused his little sister on break to return to the campus and even helped to get the charges dropped.
They simply don't care as long as there are asses in chairs.
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One size fits all.
My son, four years out, is still under the brainwashing influence hoisted on him for two years. It's somewhat sporadic and depends on his mood, of course.
We were talking the other night and he stated that he'd never send his own child, that he wouldn't voluntarily go, but that he wouldn't change the past if he could because every experience he's had made him what he is today. That, if he hadn't gone to HLA he wouldn't have dealth with his 'issue'. (How many times a day does a child hear this?)
Biting my tongue, I asked what 'issue' HLA had helped him with.
His response? A pause, a grin, and a laugh, "I don't know."
Could that be because an 'issue' was never identified? Because he never had an 'issue' that required two years of incarceration?
I told him that it seemed odd to me that if he'd had a legitimate issue that HLA had helped him with that he'd atleast know what it was, and be able to verbalize how they had helped.
Obviously uncomfortable with where the discussion was headed he lamented that HLA is no different than the dog-eat-dog world. That he had learned how to 'survive' in their system, master their program and make it work to his advantage, toward the end.
I didn't have the heart to tell him that he'd been incarcerated for two years for nothing. He's a brilliant person and will come to that conclusion in his own time. When he's ready to accept that reality. All the research I've read indicates that a child must accept their captors- that their 'treatment' has a real and valid purporse and some benefit. Otherwise, they live with constant internal conflict and frustration.
I assured him that there were more desirable means to deal with issues that don't require two years incarceration and isolation from family and the real world. He agreed.
He was accepted based on the unprofessional opinion and inaccurate complaints of his father. There was no evaluation to determine that he had an 'issue' and/or what the best form of treatment (if any) might be. My opinion (based on research and consultations with 3 PhD child psychologists) is that the best form of treatment would have been escape from a neurotic step-mother, hell bent on 'perfecting' a child who was not her own (in order to be valued by hubby), and freeing up dad's time for her own benefit.
Having lived with my son and his father for a number of years, I know his father's complaints.
My son is persistent. He doesn't accept no, until he has been given enough information to understand why he is being denied what he wants. Ironically, just like his father. And this little 'issue' was not corrected at HLA, probably much to his father distress.
His father seemed to think he had an 'issue' with not 'finishing' things, whatever that means to him. A projection of his father's own shortcomings.
And apparently he seemed to perceive 'ODD' as an issue when our son turned 14 and could no longer ignore his step mother's irrational, belittling, abusive behavior. Ironically, defiance is the approriate and common response to being treated with disrespect.
He didn't need a program, his father did. And HLA was most happy to oblige... for a fee.
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Doesnt sound all that different than my experience.
The staff at HLA couldnt even tell me why I was there, forget telling me I had an "issue".
They also couldnt find away around my argument that the biggest concern I had in my life at the time was my placement in HLA, that it was in fact the very thing that affected me and kept me awake at night. I found it ironic that HLA served as a means to its own end.
Luckily I was able to find a cure by getting the hell out.
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Are these accurate? Did they go to a baseball game, art show, have ice cream and play mini golf yesterday? What, if any, significance is there in the different colors of the activities?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Pdf/Calendar4-06.pdf (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Pdf/Calendar4-06.pdf)
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How could they? They fired their bus driver remember?
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Well I have no idea whether they went anywhere or not yesterday, however, with more than one bus, one would have to assume that there is more than one bus driver too.
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Very doubtful such expenditures would ever be allowed.
My guess is the only place the kids went yesterday is to do more construction on MBA.
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On 2006-04-23 17:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are these accurate? Did they go to a baseball game, art show, have ice cream and play mini golf yesterday? What, if any, significance is there in the different colors of the activities?
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Pdf/Calendar4-06.pdf (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/Pdf/Calendar4-06.pdf)
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'Water', 'Fire', 'Wind/Galaxy' are 3 of the 5 levels, and color coded on the calendar.
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Could that be because an 'issue' was never identified? Because he never had an 'issue' that required two years of incarceration?
I guess someone decided that YOU were the issue, Deborah.
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I guess someone decided that YOU were the issue, Deborah.
This troll has a serious personality disorder.
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The parents (I am one) have been informed that
the Doctor will no longer make visits to HLA
as he has done in the past. Instead, the kids
will visit the infirmary and if the nurse there
determines there is a legitimate complaint -
that is to say, and I paraphrase Charles Cates, if he or she is not malingering.."we have quite a
few malingerers" - the student will be taken to the Doctor. It seems that it would be more cost
efficient and safer for the Doctor to come to
campus. Particularly since the parents have also been informed that every off-campus trip will cost parents $25.00.I'm wondering why this change has been made. Does anyone know?
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On 2006-04-29 17:34:00, hla mom wrote:
"The parents (I am one) have been informed that
the Doctor will no longer make visits to HLA
as he has done in the past. Instead, the kids
will visit the infirmary and if the nurse there
determines there is a legitimate complaint -
that is to say, and I paraphrase Charles Cates, if he or she is not malingering.."we have quite a
few malingerers" - the student will be taken to the Doctor. It seems that it would be more cost
efficient and safer for the Doctor to come to
campus. Particularly since the parents have also been informed that every off-campus trip will cost parents $25.00.I'm wondering why this change has been made. Does anyone know? "
so you're relying on a nurse's opinion and not a doctor's? is the nurse trained to tell "malingering" from legitimate ailments?
this is another way of saying "these kids are liars and don't deserve medical attention unless we say so." this is a dangerous crap shoot with your child's health and is completely negligent.
wtf is wrong with you folks that you would accept this? how will you feel when your kid dies of a ruptured appendix because some nurse thought he was "malingering"? this is plain wrong and you're going to get what you deserve if you go along with this bullshit policy. unfortunately your child might end up dead, but it seems not to bother you enough to go get him and give him LEGITIMATE healthcare.
the bottom line is that they don't want doctors seeing the kids because EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR who saw kids at the facility previously exposed the negligence and maltreatment of the kids and docrors are "credible" and can't be explained away with bs answers.
why in hell are you leaving your kid there after you hear something like this? are you nuts?
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Who the fuck knows with these programs. It's not uncommon for them to deny medical care anyway on the basis the child is manipulating the staff...only to find out later there really was an issue. Frankly, I'm surprised there haven't been more deaths. I know persoanlly people who have been denied access to treatment for bogus reasons. Either that, or given phony diagnoses to keep them suppressed under a label. ODD is one. Bipolar is another. ADD, anyone? Not to mention how many addicts weren't addicts etc....
Meanwhile, people with real social anxiety disorder or bipolar are placed in traumatic, dramatic encounter groups that does everything but treat what ails you.
I'm not really sure if the staff really believes all kids in the programs are manipulative liars OR that's just the credo to keep parents compliant. And I know many staff just projected their own illnesses on you. Look a little skinny? Of course you have an eating disorder--I had one, too! Tried a line of coke 6 months ago--you are in denial. You are an addict--like me! But whatever.
As far as Deborah's comment about "issues." Well, I don't recall anyone really dealing with issues. I know for a fact mine weren't. But I sure walked away with a few more than I bargained for. And the truth is, you invest so much of yourself to survive the program that most of us tend to hold on to the ideal that some (unnamed) issue was dealt with while we were there. It takes awhile to come to terms with the fact that all that emotional rape was for nothing.
It takes a long while.
--Shanlea
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Mam'm the policy was put into place because the school cares more about the bottom line than it does about your childs well being.
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Wait a sec, I remember trips to the doctor costing parents MUCH more than $25.00. Maybe thats just my skewed memory, but I remember it being a charge of upwards of $75...
Hah, and the dentist on campus. What a joke. I went there once in my time. They told me I had 14 cavaties!! I'd had one in my entire life. My mother told them not to touch my mouth, that I had a visit coming up in 3 weeks and I'd go to our dentist at home. After my visit with our home dentist, I was told I had 2 cavaties.
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You're lucky they didn't tell your Mother that you were manipulating her about your dental health, and that you would soon end up dead, insane, or in jail if you failed to get your teeth fixed by the HLA approved dental expert.
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On 2006-04-30 05:49:00, Lacey wrote:
"Wait a sec, I remember trips to the doctor costing parents MUCH more than $25.00. Maybe thats just my skewed memory, but I remember it being a charge of upwards of $75...
Hah, and the dentist on campus. What a joke. I went there once in my time. They told me I had 14 cavaties!! I'd had one in my entire life. My mother told them not to touch my mouth, that I had a visit coming up in 3 weeks and I'd go to our dentist at home. After my visit with our home dentist, I was told I had 2 cavaties. "
Yeah that dentist sucked, so far ive had to had one root canal and a shitload of other work done becauser he didnt fill my (non-existent according to my dentist here) cavities properly, the fillings came out while i was at HLA and HLA wouldnt even give me a dental appointment with that guy to get it fixed, so eventually the inside of my tooth rotted out and i ment to the hospital and they had to shoot me up with morphine to make it feel better. (that part happened shortly after i graduated) And then i had to pay a bunch of money to get a root canal and get two other fillings that the HLA dentist gave me redone.
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Lacey I think they mean just to load the kid in the van...on top of the doctor visit fee itself.
As to this dentist...Im shocked. You mean HLA would really have someone come and make faulty dx's just to get more money out of parents????
Im shocked.
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yep they have an on site dentists office in the gym building, it seems pretty well equipped and a lot of the staff use it too (or at least this was true two years ago when i was there) Though the Dentist and his assistants seem to be total hack jobs.
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THe dentist is no longer there.
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not muych of surprise seeing as that it appears they are haivng so much trouble paying the bills.
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http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FrequentQuestions.aspx (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/FrequentQuestions.aspx)
What happens if my child is not feeling well?
We have a full-time nurse on staff seven days a week. A pediatrician visits campus at least once a week to see students (twice a week when needed). For routine appointments/check-ups, we ask that parents try to schedule appointments during the student's home visits. If this is not possible, we are able to take students to appointments for an additional fee (if the visit is not local). Parents will need to let the nurse know what appointments are necessary. In most cases, the nurse will schedule the appointment and a staff member will escort the student to their appointment. If a student has a medical emergency, we will take them to Chestatee Medical Center's Emergency Room (Dahlonega), or to Northside Hospital's Emergency Room (Atlanta).
uh oh... a little more false advertising/misrepresentation of services. doing a little "official" lying now? it's well known that the employees lie like a rug, but this is actionable false advertising.
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I was told they are charging for transporting because Lenny B. feels they are not making any
money on the medical side....Also,
Also heard a story from a Mum about her child having a broken --------- for a few weeks, but the nurse thought the child was manipulating..Parents finally insisted x-rays be done..The child suffered for a couple of weeks.
As of last Friday, not to worry about seeing a nurse there is none,fired.
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I was told the same thing. They wanted their "cut" of ANY services the kids get - dentist, doctor, psych, etc. EVERY service.
It's amazing. They cut the service, then outsource it AND charge a premium.
Either the parents are dumb and rich or just too rich to care about getting jobbed over and over again.