Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: tom c on September 02, 2001, 01:56:54 AM
Title: atlanta straight
Post by: tom c on September 02, 2001, 01:56:54 AM
atlanta straight my name is tom chapman . i was in atlanta straight and survived it ,denis buttimmer ,ann crow and the god forsaken bathroom inscodent. those of you who where there know what im talking about. i also have a brother who survived this twisted place of recovery.i to this day dream that i am in there and am trying to '' copp out'' and am being held against my will. yes i missbehaived and reeped all the consequenses. and i also graduated after being started over on 5th phase.the more i write the more anger i feel.however its good to know there are others out there who know what realy went on in there. i remember beatings ,stabings,broken arms ,4 point restraiants and total invation of privicy to say the least. i wood like to hear from someone in that era if your out there.i get the creeps just thinking about the place.the one saving grace is i met some people i will never will or want to forget .i was in from84 to 86. did anyone else survive from that time?
god bless
tom chapman
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Post by: ladyjerrico on March 09, 2002, 05:11:00 PM
Hi Tom,
I can't say that I was in Atlanta.. but I totally understand what you went through, I was in Straight in 90' in Michigan. I never made it that far in the program, but I have seen people make it to 5th phase and then for something that seemed stupid to me, they were put back to 1st or 2nd phase. Where I was not many got to 5th phase and even fewer graduated. The 7 months I was there I only saw 4 people graduate and they were there for 3 or more years.
I always thought there was something up with that.. a couple of teens I saw in there would be on 1st phase. The staff members would approch them and they would take one 1st phaser and talk to them in private. A few weeks later, they would be on 3rd or 4th phase! I thought that maybe with all the sexual abuse that I read about in articles on the internet, it seemed highly possible they targetted certain people. I also remember seeing those same staff members put thier 2 week notice in and said that they got a better paying job.. once that 1st phaser was on a higher phase. Seemed a bit odd to me.. don't you think??
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Post by: ClayL on May 23, 2002, 09:24:00 PM
Holy Shit! I remember you! I think you were on fourth when I got out. I also remember thinking that you were damn young. I remember Dennis (?) when he stabbed that guy and was gone just before the bathroom incident. You know, I've always felt more than a little guilty for the hatred I feel for straight.
Clay
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Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2002, 10:53:00 AM
Sorry I forgot my pass word so this came accross anonymously. Its samantha Monroe. Young people Hang in there. I can tell you your life will get better you will find some peace. Just talk about it talk as much as you need to...Let it out so that you can let it go. Come to the confrence meet some of us who were out before you even went in.. It was HELL but you beat them and they didn't break you. How strong we all were, we are the SURVIVORS and you are no longer victims... Visualise Peace and it will come.
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Post by: kosmonaut on June 11, 2002, 07:54:00 PM
hey Tom i don't remember you specifically, but some of those names ring a bell. i was there, i'm pretty sure, in 83. although it might have been 84. anyway it was for about 6 months.
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Post by: ClayL on June 12, 2002, 10:51:00 AM
kosmonaut - who are you. That was the time frame I was there. -Clay
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Post by: kosmonaut on June 13, 2002, 02:08:00 PM
I'm David Sutton. I was a 1st phaser for about 6 mos. then copped out the day I made 2nd phase.
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Post by: ClayL on June 15, 2002, 08:27:00 PM
Hell, I remember you! Well at least the name. I think I was on 5th at the time mostly concentrating on staying away from the building as much as possible! CL
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Post by: kosmonaut on June 18, 2002, 02:00:00 PM
I think I remember your name too, but can't put a face to it. Seems like so many people came and went it's hard to remember everyone. Do you remember the guy who broke the director's jaw that time? I can't remember his name but he was there like 2 yrs and never left 1st phase. Then one night he stood up and punched out that one director (I can't remember her name either).
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Post by: ClayL on June 25, 2002, 04:24:00 PM
He was Mike McCallum and I can't remember her name either. I remember she was jewish as she brought this Rabbi into group to explain Rosh Shashana. Her last name began with an M. Dennis Buttermer was the director and Meyers, that was her last name.
Was just after Exec. Rap and the two Execs. were switching the rap stools with the trainies. Mike stood up and Hit her in the jaw. I think I was on 5th phase at the time.
CL
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Post by: kosmonaut on June 26, 2002, 03:32:00 PM
OK, so you were there at the time. I was too. I was still on 1st phase and now I think I remember you, although I can't really put a face there. I do remember your name and you being a 5th phaser.
Wow, it's been a long time! Did you 7 step? How did things work out for you after that?
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Post by: Matt B on June 27, 2002, 11:52:00 AM
Hey Clay L! I'm pretty sure I know you. Didn't you return to Austell Rd. in '87 or so for a 'mini program'? You worked at a fancy restaraunt in Atlanta with a guy named Eddie, right? I was on a 'mini' program, also that I managed to drag out for 8 months 'till I finally copped out.
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Post by: Matt B on June 27, 2002, 01:14:00 PM
Oh, wait. That would have been '86, right? You were on your 'mini' during my first time through.
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Post by: ClayL on June 28, 2002, 11:51:00 AM
That would be me! Last I heard of Ed he had gotten into some big time trouble in FL. Not sure what it was though, but I think it was his dad that told me. Ed had some serious probs. that str8 aggravated and he was never right afterward.
The Restruant ws Rio Bravos Cantina and it paid REALLY well for a 20 something cook. I am a computer nerd now and don't miss hot kitcjens all that much. Still like to cook though and judging from my continuing battle with my waist line a damn good one!
It is really great to hear from you guys!
Clay
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Post by: Matt B on June 28, 2002, 09:40:00 PM
Cool! I figured you would be on the net. I remember Ed being pretty screwed up his whole program. It took him forever to move up in his phases. I think a lot of us were more screwed up when we came out of Auschwits...oops, I mean Straight. I'm still not over it (as obvious from my presence here on this board). Anyway, I was you guy's newcomer for one or two nights during a setback. Surely you remember who I am. I was the real handsome guy....(just kidding!). No, remember, I had an electric guitar stolen from the Dillard's BMW trunk? I always requested 'Do Lord' for a song, and had a really deep singing voice. I worked at Marietta Country Club for a long time with Mike W. from Athens. And Mom Rellinger was infatuated with me. Anyway, I remember you and you're mannerisms very well. You were always jovial and really humorous. And around 7 feet tall, it seemed. It's great to bump into you here in 'cyberStraight'!
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Post by: Matt B on June 28, 2002, 09:45:00 PM
Oh, yeah, Clay---Go to http://communites.msn.com/StraightStuff (http://communites.msn.com/StraightStuff) and join, if you haven't already. I've got some of our lovely branch of Straight memorabilia posted there you might enjoy perusing.
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Post by: ClayL on June 29, 2002, 10:58:00 PM
God! Bob Dillard. Last I heard of him he was a navy SEAL. Go figure on that, huh? I was always infatuated with Jodi Rellinger, but Jill was awful nice also. I wan't into Metal so I never had a chance with Jodi. Sucks, I was everybodies brother! Hadn't yet firgured out how not to be. I mean to brag, but I built parts of the net.... I really like being a computer nerd/geek what ever. I am damn good at it. HA! I'll check out the site. I really can't remember you being my nuke though I do remember you. Going to check out the link now. -Clay
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Post by: Matt B on June 30, 2002, 04:12:00 PM
Jodi, huh?---Yeah, 'sigh'---me, too. I ran into her in 1993 at a pool room on Windy Hill Rd. We smoked a joint in her car. She was working as a stripper at Boomer's on Cobb Pkwy! I never managed to go see her there, Dammit! Last I heard of Jill she was being a surrogate mother for someone. Little Bobby Dillard a Navy Seal??? That seems odd. I've exchanged emails with Haywood Cranford, Carrie Carmichael, Holly Wagner, Mike Williams, Greg Dykes, and a few others. I didn't think you would remember my being your newcomer since it was only for a night or two. I just remember the long ride from the building with you and Eddie. He had an old Pontiac or Oldsmobile, didn't he? God, I have to strain to remember some of that stuff. I find it fascinating now to correspond with people who were there with me.
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Post by: ClayL on July 01, 2002, 09:27:00 AM
Holly? Boy I had a thing for her also. She actually turned out to be a really good friend. she got fired from staff for fooling around with JC Keever. At least I think it was him. I've tracked down Nathan Moore and John Hull. Both married with children. John is still married to Carrie (formerly Carrie Horne). Never could get in touch with John but I talked to Carrie for a while. She is just a sweet as she ever was. I guess out of all the people I miss then the most.
Ed drove an Olds and Roswell to Marietts was a long haul. Cary never did much for me and I don't remember getting along with her very well. I think it was a maturity thing. Greg, wasn't he a fellow dead head? I can't remember. Wouldn't mind getting back in touch with Holly though. Send me an email to clayl@yahoo.com and I'll send you the real address. If you want. -CL
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Post by: Anonymous on July 22, 2002, 05:04:00 PM
Dear Tom, yes I remember you well and your brother. Hopefully you remember me, too - I spent my first night in the program at your house. You and your family were some of the nicest, most decent people I have ever met. I want to see you.
Scott Lewis
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Post by: banagrace on July 28, 2002, 11:03:00 AM
Hi, Clay...Kerrie Carmichael here. I read your post and felt compelled to set the story straight, for my own peace. I was fired from staff for going on a date with Jay Boone. I was later rehired and made it to Jr. staff before quitting and moving back to Augusta. I did have a crush on JC Keever, but once he responded, I stopped liking him (maturity thing, I guess). Anyway, it was interesting to see the people you have spoke with. I worked with John Hull and knew Cary Horne, lived with the Rellingers for a few years before moving back to Augusta to attend college. I hope you are doing well and wish you well for the future...
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Post by: ClayL on July 29, 2002, 12:21:00 PM
Hi, Kerrie - It was good to hear from you. Dang, I didn't even remember Jay Boone and apologize for getting the story wrong. I had dinner with Glen S. the other evening and your name came up. He said he had been on contact with you. I am glad you are doing well and to be honest, really happy to hear from you. I miss contact with people from that part of my life. It was huge. I guess that would explain the efforts I go through to find some of them.
Nice use of the aside (), I deserved that.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2002, 08:03:00 PM
I was in Atlanta Straight for 14 months from 1983-1984. I 7 stepped the program and was even on staff for a while. It has been almost 20 years since that horrible nightmare of brainwashing, public humiliation, and self-deprivation, and I am only now beginning to deal with the aftermath in therapy. I was there when Chad Kennimore was stabbed in the bathroom with a steak knife and we were not allowed to "process" this even with our oldcomer parents!! I've only now begun searching the net for survivors. I'm sorry to hear that another Straight-like organization took over.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2002, 09:17:00 PM
to clay l: are you clay lovett?
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Post by: TommyM on September 05, 2002, 09:32:00 PM
Would this be the Mat Boyd from Dalton.I hope so.Email me back and let me know.I just found out about this web-site.Hope to hear from you soon. Tommy Martin
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Post by: TommyM on September 05, 2002, 09:41:00 PM
Man I just found out about this web-site and your name was the first one I saw.I'm glad to see that your still alive and I hope doing well.I hope to get an email back from soon or feel free to give me a call(770)321-6409. Sincerely,Tommy Martin
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Post by: Matt B on September 05, 2002, 11:57:00 PM
Tommy Martin!!!!!! Great to hear from you, old friend! I'm so glad you found this site!I sent you a message......
--Matt
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Post by: ClayL on September 06, 2002, 02:53:00 PM
Yes I am Clay Lovett.
Clay
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Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2002, 08:03:00 PM
Did you end up 7 stepping the program? And, do you know what's become of Tom Moore?
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Post by: ClayL on September 19, 2002, 09:18:00 PM
I know Nathan is an investment banker in ATL. The last I heard of Tom was that he was back in Jackson, MS and working in a porn shop. This was quite some time ago. Spoke with Nathan a year or so ago, but haven't kept up.
Clay
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Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2002, 01:49:00 AM
Actually I think his name was Steve Callum, he was from North Carolina, I believe it was Gastonia or Highpoint, It was an exec rap, and what that womans name was I cannot recall, it is blacked out adn I have been trying for the past year to remember.
She 'counseled' my sister after we left the program for a while, until it became a bad scene, i believe that she actually ending up hitting my sister, or something to that effect before they parted ways.
James Lloyd
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Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2002, 10:41:00 PM
Hey Tom, I remember you and your brother, Don, wasn't it? Glad to hear you're making it after everything that happened in there. My name is Marc Shelton, me and my sister,Kris were in with you, I think we even stayed at the same host-home together for awhile. I just started searching these sites about a week ago. You're the first person I'vew run across that I knew. I have to say reading your post made it all real again. I'm sorry for what happened to you. I remember it all... you didn't deserve that... no one did. Please write back if you would.
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Post by: cram737 on October 19, 2002, 12:57:00 PM
Clay, Did you have glasses and blonde hair? Just trying to put a face to your name.
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Post by: ClayL on October 20, 2002, 12:42:00 PM
I used to wear glasses and yes I do have blonde hair, er well sort of. It is much darker now and going gray in some places. Getting older. Had RK surgery done 10 years ago and can still see like a hawk.
CL
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Post by: cram737 on October 20, 2002, 06:36:00 PM
Thought that was you. Amazing what a couple days without sleep a near emotional break-down can bring back to memory(ha-ha).
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Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
I would like to express some concerns about this website and my anonymity.
Main Entry: an·o·nym·i·ty Pronunciation: "a-n&-'ni-m&-tE Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ties Date: 1820 1 : the quality or state of being anonymous 2 : one that is anonymous
My first and last name are now on google. Because someone thought it was ok to use my first and last name in a message. I own a business and people use google to locate me.I have websites and web is vital to my business success. I would like to know how to remove this. I'm very upset. Please some one respond.
thanks upset and concerned in Virginia.
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Post by: Mad N Va. on March 25, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
some one respond to me about why my first and last name are discussed on this website. I want to know how it can be removed. It is now on google for the whole world to see! I own a business for crying out loud. I 'd like to keep my personal life private.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
You mean someone posted it here at fornits? Just ask Ginger or whichever moderator to delete it. That has been done before.
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Post by: Mad N Va. on March 25, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
contact who? Moderator? I have no idea what you are talking about. I've never use a chat room or been on this website until I saw my name on google checking on my websites position.
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Post by: Mad N Va. on March 25, 2005, 09:35:00 PM
Are you talking about mrs. Milnichuck (sp)
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Post by: ` on March 25, 2005, 10:40:00 PM
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On 2005-03-25 18:25:00, Mad N Va. wrote:
"contact who? Moderator? I have no idea what you are talking about. I've never use a chat room or been on this website until I saw my name on google checking on my websites position."
Check out Private Messages, to the left.
<< Scroll through the list of usernames until you get to Antigen. That's Ginger. Send her a note.
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Post by: ClayL on March 26, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
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On 2005-03-25 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would like to express some concerns about this website and my anonymity.
Main Entry: an·o·nym·i·ty
Pronunciation: "a-n&-'ni-m&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Date: 1820
1 : the quality or state of being anonymous
2 : one that is anonymous
My first and last name are now on google. Because someone thought it was ok to use my first and last name in a message. I own a business and people use google to locate me.I have websites and web is vital to my business success. I would like to know how to remove this. I'm very upset. Please some one respond.
thanks upset and concerned in Virginia."
You have got to love that Spider! Fixed it for you.
CL
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Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2005, 12:18:00 AM
Helen Morton was the exec's name who was fortunate enough to have her jaw broken by the misbehaving kid, Steve. Did she deserve it, no probably not, but did he deserve to be incarcerated there? No, definitely not. I have always wondered what happened to the Ivies, Cherry's and Aleisha Crabtree. That girl could fight, and I do mean fight. There was another really big girl named Amy, almost 6 foot tall, she could fight like all hell too.........I was older than most of these kids and it always broke my heart to think that they were only 12 and 13 years old and their parents thought this was the place to be....Kris Shelton and her younger brother, Mark, were barely out of training pants. my daugther is 12 and I would NEVER place her in such a hellhole. We fight like cats and dogs sometimes, but there is no way I can see myself having her placed in such a situation. It just kills me when I think back on what some of those kids went through, and were expected to understand and comply with at such a young age. Regardless of what I went through, it was nothing compared to what the younger kids had to endure.
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Post by: RTP2003 on March 29, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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On 2005-03-28 21:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Helen Morton was the exec's name who was fortunate enough to have her jaw broken by the misbehaving kid, Steve.
I'd like to give some positive credit to misbehavin' Steve.......
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Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
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On 2005-03-28 21:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Helen Morton was the exec's name who was fortunate enough to have her jaw broken by the misbehaving kid, Steve. Did she deserve it, no probably not,
Quit pitying the old bitch. She was a child abuser by profession, and if that's all that happened to her, she got off easy.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2005, 07:42:00 AM
Go misbehaving Steve! I wish I'da broke a few jaws!
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Post by: Froderik on March 31, 2005, 09:19:00 AM
I agree..I wouldn't have a problem knowing that he had beat that bitch to death if he had been able to do it. He would have been entirely justified.
Self defense.....think about it.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
Fuck yeah. Wish I'da been taught SELF DEFENSE before I went in Straight. But NO, I was taught "Christian" values, turn the other cheek and all that. Lotta good that ever did me. FUCK!
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Post by: Anonymous on August 01, 2005, 10:06:00 AM
I just wanted to bump this string back to the top as I'm hunting other Atlanta survivors.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 11:39:00 AM
Which survivors beeyatch!!??
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Post by: Botched Programming on August 03, 2005, 04:49:00 PM
I keep running across postings from other Atlanta suvivors that were here before me but have not seen any here for a while. I'm starting to wonder where they are. Am I the only one lurking here???? Send me a PM if you don't want to post.
When an innocent Californian millionaire gets killed by a drug squad trying to seize his house with a bogus search warrant, people better ask themselves if they really want to turn their cops into money-makers. --Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
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Post by: The Graduate on August 04, 2005, 10:46:00 AM
Your not the only one. I was in the Atlanta program also.
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Post by: Botched Programming on August 04, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
What year or years were you there??? And who was the executive staff when you were there??? I trying to remember who took over after Dennis Buttimer left.
What was done with the seed saved from the India Hemp last summer? It ought, all of it, to have been sewn again; that not only a stock of seed sufficient for my own purposes might have been raised, but to have disseminated the seed to others; as it is more valuable than the common Hemp. George Washington, Writings of Washington, Vol. 35, pg. 72
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Post by: Botched Programming on August 04, 2005, 01:26:00 PM
I just received an e-mail from a person from Atlanta when I was there...I deleted it by accident...Please send me another so I can respond....And I was there 09/03-08/84.
The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst. --Andrew Dickson
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Post by: Botched Programming on August 05, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
After reading the original posting on the first page that Tom had wrote and conversing with another survivor from this time frame some of the stuff I've blocked out came back to me. I remembered a group of us misbehaving being taken into the restroom and physically abused, however I forgot about being punched in the stomach then Jeff Ambrose having his head forced into the toilet....and he probably wasn't the only one. Looking back now I'm angry and I want vengence.Laws are like spider webs. If some poor weak creature comes up against them - it is caught. But the bigger one can break through and get away. -- Solon; Greek philosopher - c.630-c.555 BC
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Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
I was there in 83-85. Just found this forum. I have no idea how and less idea WHY, but here I am. Jennifer Royals.
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Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
bump :cool:
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Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
I am trying to figure out the exact dates, I was transfered to Straight-Atlanta in August 1981 (according to things I read about when that concentration camp opened) and escaped shortly there after. Finally reaching phase 3 after 10 months. I was in St Pete in what had to be late 1980. I was in a total 10 months, 3 weeks, 5 days and about 6 hours. When I escaped I called my parents from a payphone after vanishing for 3 weeks and was ready to go underground forever if they didnt call off the dogs. I was 17 then and now I am 42. It was a pretty evil place. I remember seeing a guy jump through a small Florida crank style window to get to freedom. I saw a guy heave a livingroom chair through a sliding glass door. (Fellow Newcommer). I had been denied being able to use the restroom during a rap and ended up pissing myself and having to sit in piss for several hours till lunch break and even then, I didnt get freash clothes. I had been "restrained" many times. This as you know means 4-6 people wrestle you to the ground and sit on your chest, legs and arms and head. I was made to eat peanut butter sandwitches and water at the table while the oldcommer family had steaks, spagetti and other more tasty meals. That was a two week sentance of bread, peanut butter and water.. For trying to "split" /escape.. Each of my split attempts was followed a decent beating followed by some deprivation ie: food, sleap etc and of course a restart LOL, I was on phase 1 for 9 months and restarted 3-4 times.. I had an ingrown toenail during my stay and it took an act of congress to get to go to a doctor and then I was not allowed even as much as an asprin for fear I might get high.. If I were to see any of those old men (who must be at least 50-60 now) who ran that place I think I would just kick their ass. God, that was a long time ago... memories still pretty vivid. If you were among the 1st group of folks to go to Straight-Atlanta from St Pete, it would be good to hear.
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Post by: Botched Programming on July 06, 2006, 01:16:00 PM
I remember a newcomer that was transferred from St. Pete and was seated beside me on his first day.
I thought we already had some misbehavers, however this guy was a new breed in our group. He was a "Cutter". I was shocked at what I had saw. He had on long sleeves and looked directly at me and said "FLASH" and proceeded to show me his arms where he had cut himself from his wrist to his elbows.
But what really took the cake is when he stole a knife from his host home and brought it in on open meeting night.
When Mr. Buttimer opened the meeting the guy jump up, screamed "Coming Home" and charged Mr Buttimer with the knife.
I would say that he had enough abuse.
[ This Message was edited by: Doc Slow on 2006-07-06 10:18 ]
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Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Looks like you were in after I escaped. I wasnt into any self mutalation. The story doesnt suprise me in the least. It is, or was, as much a test of mental strength as anything I have ever encountered even to this day. The "being stood up" in a rap session and being "confronted" time and time again with the repeating of the phase "get honest" among the insults etc.. combined with all the deprivation / humiliation tactics. I saw a kid get hauled off to a mental institution while I was in St Pete and I saw another kid get taken to jail / juvie.
Today, I dont fear any confrontation. I dont get humiliated easily at all. Occasionally I will tell someone who hasnt been about my expeariences and they look at me in disbeleaf. Only those who have been in the system know the deal. I dont much speak of my time in anymore because of the looks of disbeleaf so I am glad this sight is here.
What was with the whole "getting motivated" thing? It seems totally rediculas to me. What was the point of that anyway? Exersise? Can you really tell who wants to speak the most by how fast someone is flailing their arms and head about? lol. I can still "snap" my fingers by slamming my first finger into my middle finger, a trick that only people in Straight know how to do... Too funny. Anyway, again I was with the first batch of kids who came from St Pete to Atlanta..
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Post by: Botched Programming on July 11, 2006, 06:56:00 AM
Calling Atlanta Survivors...On another thread here on our forum we have been discussing the possibility of having a simultanious memorial service at each of the facilities.
Anyone from the Atlanta facility who is intrested in this gathering can PM me so that we can start coordinating and putting in our input on what will be read at the memorial as our voice is important and needs to be heard.
If you know any other survivors from Atlanta, please be sure to communicate with them as well.
We also need to compile a list of those who are no longer with us except for in spirit as that is what this gathering will mostly for.
"Today the healing can begin."
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Post by: NAILBOMB on July 11, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
Hey you! Wake up! Open your swollen eyes Erosion invades you mind A cancer that grows over time
Hey you! Rise up! Rise to fight, eliminate Burn your fuse to detonate The human machines of hate
All these years they've tried to break you To your knees Anger scours right through your veins
Now it's time to put an end To all the lies Now it's time to take control Of your life
Wake up! Rise up! Open minds will dominate Burn your fuse to detonate The human machines of hate
Hypocrisy You can't believe Machines of hate A disease that infiltrates
Persist for resisance Resist their insolence You are a dissident Burn away conformity
They have tried to break you They have tried to break you
Persist for resisance Resist their insolence You are a dissident Burn away conformity
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Title: atlanta straight
Post by: Botched Programming on July 11, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
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On 2006-07-11 03:56:00, Doc Slow wrote:
"Calling Atlanta Survivors...On another thread here on our forum we have been discussing the possibility of having a simultanious memorial service at each of the facilities.
Anyone from the Atlanta facility who is intrested in this gathering can PM me so that we can start coordinating and putting in our input on what will be read at the memorial as our voice is important and needs to be heard.
If you know any other survivors from Atlanta, please be sure to communicate with them as well.
We also need to compile a list of those who are no longer with us except for in spirit as that is what this gathering will mostly for.
"Today the healing can begin.""
I would like to make an ammendment to my previous statement as we will be mourning the loss for our own personal values as well such as Integrity, Love, Trust, Sanity as well as Self Esteem.
Everyones input is important as we need to make a compilation of everyones input to create what is to be read.
This may be the thing that seperates us from revenge to being about retribution.
[ This Message was edited by: Doc Slow on 2006-07-11 05:53 ]
Title: atlanta straight
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2006, 10:58:13 AM
Let's talk about what a manipulative druggie whore you are.
Title: Land Marks
Post by: Botched Programming on July 12, 2006, 06:28:56 PM
I remember going in to the facility everyday and a couple places we would pass would always catch my intrest. The first one was the big chicken ( the building that looked like a giant chicken ), Big Boys Toys (this one I would always get in trouble with my old-comer about, they sold mean ass muscle cars, and while I was misbehaving my old-comer put a jacket over my head before we got to it so I couldn't see them), and last but not least Cobb County head start which was right across the street from the building.
Title: Re: Land Marks
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2006, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: ""Doc Slow""
while I was misbehaving my old-comer put a jacket over my head before we got to it so I couldn't see them)
I was just thinking about how very much the oldcomers seemed to hate and really be bent on not liking, not giving, anything you liked or wanted you could not have.
I guess they were afraid of being accused of being soft on their newcomer or something. They knew they had to kick ass and make a complaint newcomer. That was on them. Remember how much that was on them? I forgot about that. On me, too. Once I didn't let this newcomer do something reasonable because it was unusual and I wasn't used to the rules, i got confused about whether it was right or wrong, I "had a doubt about it". Head games. If I'm in with someone playing a lot of head games, I get out.
They made me shy of my own self, like I was always having to confess some sin, seek opinion, even my own feelings weren't really mine to feel anymore because I had compulsions towards finding myself guilty of not really feeling what I felt, or like the voices I heard of the straightlings critiquing my inner experience of whatever I might have felt and thought before the needle got stuck and skipped and skipped. I turned into one of them, and turned on myself with straight's own venom. I felt the bite, I didn't know which voices to shut up, who's right.
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: shaggys on November 03, 2010, 02:04:58 PM
Hey Botched, I just wanted to remind you to tell the filmmakers all about the "bathroom incident" when you get interviewed this weekend. Tell them all about it. Let the whole world know what happened to us at that place.
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: Froderik on November 05, 2010, 11:52:26 AM
Quote from: "shaggys"
Hey Botched, I just wanted to remind you to tell the filmmakers all about the "bathroom incident" when you get interviewed this weekend. Tell them all about it. Let the whole world know what happened to us at that place.
I heard there are some Atlanta people (ex-staff? maybe people who were involved?) on some fb group who try and deny that this ever happened.. :o
...can't wait to expose this incident so they can shut the hell up.
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: Botched Programming on December 17, 2010, 10:16:31 PM
Quote from: "Froderik"
Quote from: "shaggys"
Hey Botched, I just wanted to remind you to tell the filmmakers all about the "bathroom incident" when you get interviewed this weekend. Tell them all about it. Let the whole world know what happened to us at that place.
I heard there are some Atlanta people (ex-staff? maybe people who were involved?) on some fb group who try and deny that this ever happened.. :o
...can't wait to expose this incident so they can shut the hell up.
Jim Lloyd was one of the fifth phasers who really liked doing the order... He really took alot of pride and pleasure in it as I recall...
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: seamus on December 18, 2010, 05:55:04 AM
Quote from: "shaggys"
Hey Botched, I just wanted to remind you to tell the filmmakers all about the "bathroom incident" when you get interviewed this weekend. Tell them all about it. Let the whole world know what happened to us at that place.
Do tell about this "bathroom incident" do tell......................... :timeout:
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: shaggys on December 18, 2010, 11:41:43 AM
Quote from: "seamus"
Quote from: "shaggys"
Hey Botched, I just wanted to remind you to tell the filmmakers all about the "bathroom incident" when you get interviewed this weekend. Tell them all about it. Let the whole world know what happened to us at that place.
Do tell about this "bathroom incident" do tell......................... :timeout:
There were alot of misbehavors in group at the time. Days off had been called in and the tension level in the group was very very high. Oldcomers were being confronted and set back for not keeping the misbehavors in line. The days had become just one long confrontation rap. Exec-staff Dennis buttimer ordered Jim Lloyd (and others I believe) to carry out a systematic physical assault on each and every misbehavor in the group. It was done like this: Several large upper phasers were selected to carry out the mission. A misbehavor was selected out of group, picked up by his beltloop and dragged into the bathroom at the side of group. Once inside the bathroom the newcomer was slapped, punched, kicked, stripped naked, spat on, head shoved down toilet and urinals, the whole time being verbally assaulted. Each individual assault lasted anywhere from 10 to 20 minutes, would be my guess.. When one misbehavor had been thoroughly destroyed he would be brought out of the bathroom and paraded before the group to show everyone their newly acquired black eyes, brusies, cuts and scrapes. Then another was selected and it started over again. On and on it went for hours as each misbehavor had their turn in the bathroom. I can only imagine the absolute terror this must have inspired in the really new-newcomers. I had been there for about a year and a half by this point and i had seen alot of people abused in alot of ways but it had never happened before to so many at once and in such a systematic Nazi-ish way. There was some fallout from the incident. Some parents pulled their kids from the program and there were a couple of lawsuits. Dennis Buttimer walked out in front of the group and denied that he had ordered it. Imagine that: Exec-staff trying to convice this group of kids that he didn't really want it to happen that way. He was a low down lying mother fucker for sure. Botched, you wanna add anything to this? I know you were there that day.
Title: Re: atlanta straight
Post by: Botched Programming on December 18, 2010, 05:09:45 PM
Sure I can add a little more, the execution of the order was done during senior staff rap.. Senior staff members Monty Bingham and Kris Mazur were the ones that isuued the order to 5th phase staff trainee Jim Lloyd to do what ever it takes to make them change... Ben Ambrose was probably the worst misbehaver we had at the time and he was the one that pissed Dennis Buttimer off the most hence the reason he issued the order to senior staff... Afterwards during executive rap he tried to lay the blame on over-zealous 5th phasers... was not a couple weeks and Dennis Buttimer was replaced by some other Executive Staff member that was the recruiter from Shepherd's way out of N.C... And they assumed that by changing staff the lawsuit from the Ambrose's would disappear. Straight got sued, but Dennis Buttimer did not receive any kind of punishment.. He still runs some kind of counseling thing in Atlanta.. He should have to face every newcomer that was assaulted and get his rightful punishment.