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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 09:27:00 AM
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No software or download neccessary.
I was shocked by this documentary, WWASPS needs to be shut down!
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 9640426410 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4069094189640426410)
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Amazing, but no use at all as a tool for public education.
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So go do something better if you don't like it!
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Very well done.
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I don't mean to denigrate it. It's an excellent and informative documentary, THe agents of WWASPs effectively dondemn themselves out of their own mouths.
#It's no use as a public education tool unless we can get it out in front of the people we need to see it.
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On 2006-04-12 08:54:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"I don't mean to denigrate it. It's an excellent and informative documentary, THe agents of WWASPs effectively dondemn themselves out of their own mouths.
#It's no use as a public education tool unless we can get it out in front of the people we need to see it."
Whats this "we" shit,Sammie?
You have done enough to discredit all of us with your bullshit act on Montel.
Fuck off Samantha (Montel) Monroe!
You make us all look like liars.
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Okay, this is nice, I have a comment stalker.
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On 2006-04-12 08:58:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Okay, this is nice, I have a comment stalker.
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Dont worry.
Just pop in a copy of "League Of Gentlemen",preferably the X-Mas Special,or Thick As A Brick",and relax.Im not even on the same continent as you.
Cheerio
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On 2006-04-12 08:58:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Okay, this is nice, I have a comment stalker.
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:wave:
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Anyhow, back on topic.
What do we all think is the best way to make use of this video?
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Anyhow, back on topic.
Oh no you don't!
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On 2006-04-12 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Anyhow, back on topic.
Oh no you don't!
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He's been touching the precious things!
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On 2006-04-12 09:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-12 09:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Anyhow, back on topic.
Oh no you don't!
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He's been touching the precious things!"
Wa Wa WaWa Wa WA!
Sit-ting on a park bench!
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Okay, why don't you PM me and we can maybe sort this thing out because I am definitely not who you think I am and even if I was, the way you are behaving is hardly likely to resolve anything.
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On 2006-04-12 09:27:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Okay, why don't you PM me and we can maybe sort this thing out because I am definitely not who you think I am and even if I was, the way you are behaving is hardly likely to resolve anything.
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Does your wife "go"?knowwhatImean?
Nudge nudge,wink wink.
You know,clickity click?
Know what I mean?
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Troll.
I guess I'll try again in a few hours.
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On 2006-04-12 09:32:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Troll.
I guess I'll try again in a few hours."
See what I mean!
You Brits are NO FUN!
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Anyhow, back on topic.
What do we all think is the best way to make use of this video?"
Post it on all the message boards related to the teen help industry, put it on google video where anyone in the world can watch it for free, and let parents who are researching these gulags find it just by searching. This has all been done now.
Over the years there have been Dateline NBC specials, and other mainstream news exposes on these programs, and they reached a WIDE audience. NBC, Time magazine, NY times... that's a lot of people. These camps are being built at record pace. I don't think a lack of information is the issue here. The very type of parents who don't care about abuse charges are the ones who seek it out... if you think I am kidding, read some of these forums. I saw in another one of your posts you said people should concentrate on one program and work on shutting it down? There are over four hundred programs in the state of Montana alone! There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of these programs in the US. So even if you did shut one down, they'd just pop up down the road with a new name. Govt. regulation would probably do the trick, but with the repubs in chagre, and recieving both financial and political ( they say they are helping teens) benefits, legislation will go nowhere. The dem's are going to sweep back into congress most likely this fall, maybe the new program bill will grow some legs then.
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On 2006-04-12 09:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-12 09:12:00, MightyAardvark wrote:
"Anyhow, back on topic.
What do we all think is the best way to make use of this video?"
Post it on all the message boards related to the teen help industry, put it on google video where anyone in the world can watch it for free, and let parents who are researching these gulags find it just by searching. This has all been done now.
Over the years there have been Dateline NBC specials, and other mainstream news exposes on these programs, and they reached a WIDE audience. NBC, Time magazine, NY times... that's a lot of people. These camps are being built at record pace. I don't think a lack of information is the issue here. The very type of parents who don't care about abuse charges are the ones who seek it out... if you think I am kidding, read some of these forums. I saw in another one of your posts you said people should concentrate on one program and work on shutting it down? There are over four hundred programs in the state of Montana alone! There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of these programs in the US. So even if you did shut one down, they'd just pop up down the road with a new name. Govt. regulation would probably do the trick, but with the repubs in chagre, and recieving both financial and political ( they say they are helping teens) benefits, legislation will go nowhere. The dem's are going to sweep back into congress most likely this fall, maybe the new program bill will grow some legs then. "
Just DONT HAVE KIDS,then it will just be something that happens to "other people".
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You could be right about that. I advocate picking one program and shutting it down because the opposition movement really needs to focus the few resources it has on winning a realistic victory. We are hopelessly overmatched in terms of resources and co-ordination (they have one guy pulling the trings, we are a mass of individuals doing our own thing)
I don't advocate shutting one program down because I think that would make a materiel difference to the overall problem, rather because I think a psychological victory would help the case for regulation.
The fact that kids get sent to these places with their parents complicity is for me, exceptionally difficult to stomach but I have no doubt that you are correct.
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I don't advocate shutting one program down because I think that would make a materiel difference to the overall problem, rather because I think a psychological victory would help the case for regulation.
Recently a kid was beaten to death in a Florida state boot camp. The state covered it up, tried to at least, but the truth came out that they beat this boy to death. There have been thousands of news articles, appearing everyday in mainstream press about this. The result? Florida's lawmakers decide to reward the murderous boot camp lobby by giving them more money, you know, to improve the boot camps and all. Gotta love american politics. :roll:
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Yeah I saw that too.
Part of the problem is that the corruption that allows the teenhelp industry to avoid regulation goes right to the top of the Federal government.
Therefore, any legal measures we use are at best gestures of defiance. However, that leaves us with two options
1)break the law
2)Do nothing
So I guess we need to ask ourselves which it is.
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3) Change the law.
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4) Enforce the existing child abuse laws.
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There are a lot more than your two options.
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Therefore, any legal measures we use are at best gestures of defiance. However, that leaves us with two options
1)break the law
2)Do nothing
So I guess we need to ask ourselves which it is.
As I re-read this statement, it almost seems to suggest that we break the law? What do you mean by this?
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Options 3) and 4) are not really options as we have already discussed. Existing child protection laws are inadequate or easy circumvented and the various administrations in America have proven to be unwilling to regulate this industry for thirty years.
I am absolutely not advocating that we frivolously ignore or flout the law, however with the resources they have available and the political influence they wield make it very likely that strictly legal avenues will be ineffective. It's a dilemma we as a community need to address.
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So... go ahead and address it. What illegal actions do you feel would benefit shutting down abusive programs? If you live in England, why don't you work on shutting down programs there. It seems weird to me that a foreigner is suggesting people break the law here in the states.
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You know very well that I'm not going to discuss any plans even if I have them.
I'm not suggesting a solution at this stage, merely describing the problem and inviting comments and opinion.
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Will someone please call Paula Reeves and explain to her that I didn't actually invent the net and have not the power to have prevented whoever from snagging and propagating that video?
The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.
--Ferdinand Magellan, Portuguese and Spanish explorer
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Who the heck is Paula Reeves????
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Andrew Johnson, and people like her is why the south lost the peace after the civil war :roll:
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On 2006-04-13 20:35:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"I thought it was more the numerical superiority and overwhelming industrial capacity of the Northen states. Also throw in a thankful state of incompetence amongst the legislative leaders of the CSA. Further magnified by the massive blunders of the Confederate General Bragg, Johnston, and one other whose name does not spring readily to mind that cost them the ability to fend off the Union armies of Sherman in the Western theater of operations. When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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I was talking about the peace after the war, not why they lost the war. :silly:
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Ive lived in NC for all but two years of my life, which were in Florida.
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