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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 02:34:00 AM
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Somebody here said they fell for HLA's advertising
"hook line and sinker"
How did most parents end up sending their children to HLA? Is it Ed Cons, or how did you end up finding HLA? Isn't an Ed Con responsible legally for recommending a place with the range of problems HLA, and other schools have?
I just tried Hidden Lake Academy in Google. Healonline, Fornits and Strugglingteens were all in the top 5. Wikipedia also has an entry, with criticism and Fornits mentioned.
I wish I had seen them a few years ago.
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Isn't an Ed Con responsible legally for recommending a place with the range of problems HLA, and other schools have?
Unfortunately, no. Ed Cons employ a disclaimer in regard to that matter. Basically you retain the services of HLA (or any other "school") at your own risk.
Remember, there are great incentives for Ed Cons to refer to places like HLA. They receive lavish gifts, "kickbacks," and referral "fees." There is a lot of money changing hands in these deals.
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Do the Ed.Cons. have to declare these 'gifts'..?
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On 2006-04-12 07:38:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Do the Ed.Cons. have to declare these 'gifts'..?"
Legally, yes. My understanding is that much of this is done "behind the scenes."
One HLA employee recently stated that the owner sent out extremely lavish "gifts" to the Ed cons that refer there to "smooth over" the recent bad publicity.
It seems to be a quid pro quo arrangement - nothing is free.
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If the "Buddists" are right, I wonder what all these 'lovely' people will "come" back as...
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On 2006-04-12 07:43:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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One HLA employee recently stated that the owner sent out extremely lavish "gifts" to the Ed cons that refer there to "smooth over" the recent bad publicity.
It seems to be a quid pro quo arrangement - nothing is free.
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An Ed Con told me the other day that there's a conference this weekend at HLA (more dmage control?) at HLA's expense. Wonder if they'll eat pizza.
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could be. before they removed the demo page from their website it claimed that 65% of their business came from Ed Cons.
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Ed Cons need to be exposed. They are not consultants, they are lobbyists, or shills, or both.
Do they have a professional society?
call 60 minutes, Dateline, etc
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On 2006-04-13 01:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ed Cons need to be exposed. They are not consultants, they are lobbyists, or shills, or both.
Do they have a professional society?
call 60 minutes, Dateline, etc"
Call 60 Minutes and Dateline and give them Clarke Poole's e-mails. Never mind the EdCons- the liars who run HLA need to be exposed for what they are.
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They all have been called...One has to understand
that this is not just HLA,or the other schools across the country and abroad, or the Ed.Cons.
Also, there are 'Fine' Ed.Cons. that are in an up-roar...few, but theya re there...THis is also
a huge political machine we are facing. It's roots go high up in the Republican party..The 'gifts' the Ed. Cons. are given are nothing to what goes on politically..Just look at the "Semblers", the donations that come in to
the party from these schools....I am an 'Old Republican' and I am in disgust! It is big money.. Take Oprah, for instance..She has been
asked to do 'THE SHOW'...However, last year she had DR. PHIL on(a moron), promoting these schools...So, un-like Montel Williams, who did air TBS's dirty laundry,she is in a bad position...She has been asked to show the other side, with documented info..Rightly she should,
however, Harpo Productions, her company, 'is'
The DR. PHIL show... Make sense? Also, as much as people shove dirt at a certain network for being too far to the right,out of all of them..
I bet they will be the ones to come through.be patient..It is on the horizon...
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From: Clarke Poole
Sent: Sat 2/25/2006 9:57 PM
To: Nicole Fuglsang; Bill Gray Jr.; Len Buccellato; John McMillon; John McMillon; David Reifenberger; David Jordan; Mark Keith; Christy Jones
Subject: FW: HLA Student Profile.....
Nicole,
I can understand precisely why you said you do not want to continue to address my concerns over student safety and unethical practices on e-mail. However, there are several final points I want to make for the record.
(1) You stated with total certainty that two of the students referred to below received "significant financial aid because their families could not afford the HLA tuition." Upon my questioning the accuracy and veracity of your statement, you also said "I know because I was a part of the approval process while they were at RCI and then moved on to HLA. I know for a fact the level of aid they were getting at RCI & HLA as I worked with both families directly. I am the source of this information." The adamancy with which you state your position is compelling. However, it is totally false.
I went to Bill Gray's office at 4:30 Friday afternoon and asked him to personally check the financial records for the three students in question as a means to help me refresh my memory. He did so in my presence. None of these students received one cent of financial aid. (Jane Doe 1)?s family received the Ridge Creek rebate the first month she attended Hidden Lake Academy, rather than the third month as is normally the case. However, the amount of tuition paid by her family was exactly the same as any other family. There was no financial aid requested or granted to any of these three families, period. This raises the question in my mind as to why you so steadfastly insisted that you were right in spite of my urging you to check your facts.
The whole business of financial aid was, of course, a red herring designed to deflect the focus away from the point of my letter: that the safety of Hidden Lake Academy students is being compromised by the improper and unethical admission of totally inappropriate and dangerous students. As I noted, it had nothing whatsoever to do with the concerns I had raised. Just for the record, (John Doe 2)?s psychological evaluation, conducted and signed by Len Buccellato, includes a diagnosis of Schizoaffective Disorder, Pedophilia, and Personality Disorder with Antisocial Features. I am still waiting for your response as to why this boy, as well as the others, was approved by Len Buccellato to attend Hidden Lake Academy.
(2) You are the Director of Public Relations for both Hidden Lake Academy and Ridge Creek, as well as Director of Admissions for both institutions. In this job, you are the public face and voice of both programs. It would stand to reason that we would want in this very important position someone whose integrity is above reproach, since you speak for both programs. The fact that you intentionally attempted to mislead, obfuscate, and deflect rather than address honestly my concerns regarding student safety and ethical placement is, in my opinion, an insult not just to me, but to everyone in either of these schools, students and staff alike, as well as the parents of students and the educational consultants who they hired to assist with placement.
On January 31, 2006, you sent out a notice to all staff, and perhaps others outside HLA, that the "new student riding program will be completely operational by February 1st, 2006". It was obvious to all with eyes that this was impossible, since it was nothing more than a small area of scraped dirt the day before. I sent a reply to you stating "This is exactly what gets us in trouble with parents and consultants." I never received a reply. The "riding program" is still in exactly the same shape as it was the day you sent the announcement... no horses, no program.
If this approach to "public relations" is condoned by management, then it is no wonder we are constantly losing both students and staff. It is wrong, dishonest, and shameful.
Man, he gave Nicole a dose of reality.
It just goes to show that Nicole (who trolls this board, BTW) and people like her will say anything to make a buck or to avoid responsibility for wrongdoing.
Parents, these are the people caring for your children. Is this the type of behavior you want modeled? Can you be sure your kid isn't bunking with a sociopath, psychotic or pedophile?
Is any of it worth the risk?
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On 2006-04-13 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"THis is also
a huge political machine we are facing. It's roots go high up in the Republican party..The 'gifts' the Ed. Cons. are given are nothing to what goes on politically..Just look at the "Semblers", the donations that come in to
the party from these schools....I am an 'Old Republican' and I am in disgust! It is big money.. Also, as much as people shove dirt at a certain network for being too far to the right,out of all of them..
I bet they will be the ones to come through.be patient..It is on the horizon..."
This is off topic,sorta, should be in Tacitus - but - if you are an "old Republican", try reclaiming your party. You lost it to "big Business" in the 1880s. You lost what ethics were left in the 1980s, to Religious Maniacs. HLA is suitable to the modern Republican party, they love to jail people, kids included. Personal rights are irrelevent, so childrens rights are too. The only thing that matters is money and power. Their policies benefit only their friends in business, and that is what HLA and the Semblers are.
It is no longer the party of Lincoln, it is the party of Joseph McCarthy and his fans. Of hatred and false outrage. Of a trashed Constitution.
A certain network - Sean Hannity knows which side his bread is buttered on, he will never go up against the real power in the party, cause it would end his career. He needs them as much as they need him as a mouthpiece. Maybe you know something on the inside, it would be good to see Sean show some true morals. Maybe if other networks were watched and discussed, we wouldn't be in the mess we are.
Meanwhile Clark Poole is The Man! Love to see him kick Nicole's butt-
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How true...
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"how true" what?
Original question still stands: how did HLA parents come to send their children there?
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On 2006-04-15 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
""how true" what?
Original question still stands: how did HLA parents come to send their children there?
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An EdCon I found I on the internet directed me to HLA.
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And?
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On 2006-04-15 14:50:00, juniper2 wrote:
"And?"
And I called the school and spoke to Clarke Poole who I found to be a credible, honest, intelligent person. He did his homework about my kid and told me he'd be a good fit. We were impressed with what we read on the website (which I now know to be ALL lies) and we made the decision to send him there.
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When was this..? Peer group?
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There has GOT to be a way to hold these EdcCons to some account, before St. Peter that is.
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I'm sure they'll be accountablebefore St. Peter, I meant before they get there
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May take a civil suit.
ECs in Tx must be licensed to refer out-of-state. After several days of deliberating, the authorities responded that Mrs Hall was not in violation because she had not 'physically' delivered my son to Ga. :roll:
Further, she knew nothing, and I mean nothing, about my son or HLA. She hadn't even met my son. Gave a referral over the phone, and the recommendation was based on 'the owner's reputation'.
One action that may be useful is to lobby for more stringent requirements for EC. Require them to fully investigate the programs they refer to. Are they licensed/monitored by the state? Any allegations of abuse, deaths/accidents? What specific techniques and methods of BM are employed? Do staff possess the required credentials?
For $3000 they should be required to do a little more than provide a phone number.
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really need to get an expose on the whole sordid mess, on television.
Say, the EdCon connection, the schools' brutality, the whole group of programs and schools, and with a focus on HLA, as there seem to be chinks in their armor developing. NBC has their Dateline shows, they seem to like kid oriented topics, and the shows are to my limited knowledge, a full hour on the topic. Parents should hammer NBC with (true)tales to see if they can get them to focus on this critical issue.
the whole EdCon connection is appalling, they need to be made responsible for what they do. I know the parents and guardians sure feel agony for allowing their children to go through these experiences. It is terrible in particular that the parents and guardians helped put the children in these schools, wanting to help their children. To have them hurt by the experience is unbearable.
And that is nothing compared to what the children have gone through in so many cases.
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I never at anytime spoke to or met my ed con. She never came to the school, didnt know a thing about it.
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But she 'knew' where you belonged RB? how did she come to be employed to send you there? She knew niether you , or the school.....
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Such details are inconsequential.
So long as both she and the Buch got paid, that is all that matters.
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Yuppers, it's all about dough.
These people use phoney piety and act like they care - yeah, they care, they care that they get paid!
It's like any other product to them. All you were was potential money, It's sickening. Money is all that matters anymore, seems like
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My question for HLA parents is WHY AREN'T YOU ASKING QUESTIONS???
I'd say the time is right for some unannounced visits to campus. Just show up at any odd hour and demand to see your kid and inspect the facilities.
I think you'll be shocked at what you find...
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They aren't asking questions on this forum because they know it is populated by a bunch of losers. They are getting their questions answered by visiting the school and talking to the staff and ECs. Nothing YOU say, DJ, has any impact on anyone with a brain.
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If thats true why are there so many parents of former inmates here stating "no one would answer my questions".
However since what DJ and the rest of us are doing is having a huge impact on things I'm going to have to agree with your assesment.
The people we are exposing (please include yourself in this group) have no brains.
Or at the very least no soul. I mean why else would they behave in such a way?
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There is an association of educational consultants that represent both educational consultants for youth going off to college, private school, or "alternative" schools. You can find it at http://www.iecaonline.com (http://www.iecaonline.com).
Most hospitals, judicial organizations, insurance companies, both public and private schools, all providers for the care of our youth, make use of this association.
The correct question is, which government agency is responsible for "policeing" this organization or imposing "ethical standards" as to who can use the title of ed con and or, also belong to this organization.
As a parent of 14 yr. old, back in 2001, who I sent to first wilderness, then therapuetic boarding school in Utah, and then had the misfortune of allowing the ed con to trick me into placing at HLA, "while we got through the court process to resolve custody issues", I KNOW there is little or NO regulation of this industry.
Those of you "former" students/parents who are most angry, and determined to make this industry change, my suggestion is that you put your energy into going to schools/institutions, where these kids are all "feeding" from and make it a point to talk to those kids and their parents/caregivers, at their schools/hosptitals/institutions, who are heading this direction and really help them understand what their "choice of behaviors" are setting them up for in life.
Even better, make your government leaders "listen" to you about "concerns", for the impact these institutions are having on, some of our most vulnerable population.
If the kids think they are doing a "power trip" because of how "unfair" their life is, etc., let them know how the "HLA/corrupt power-tripping, out-of-control institutions", relative to "unfair" is going to affect their life long-term.
HLA not only bullied my child, they used their legal/psychiatric/counseling/academic/medical/placement staff, in conjunction with the first ed con (who was then fired) to totally strip me, the mother, of any power to be able to advocate on behalf of my daughter.
They empowered a totally uncaring,unparticipative rich father(you are so surprised the cozied up to the money), whose only desire was to hurt me, to use the Guardian Ad Litem in conjunction with the (second, also unprincipled) ed con, to cut me off from participating with my child's life for a year and a half and discredit me to the Court as to my activities as a parent.
In spite of all the money, manipulation, conspiring particiapted in by all the HLA/legal/ed con staff, fortunately, for both of us, my daughter and I, we were able to just "hang-in" until the whole litigation mess was over with her dad and then get away from HLA to go on to share a decent life/relationship with the rest of our family.
Buccalato intentionally "split" the parents and inflamed our whole family conflict, for the sole purpose of ensuring, as absolutely as much cash, out of this family's already tragic difficulties as he possibly could steal.
Rather than providing one iota of resolution to any of the family's "issues", ALL parties left the experience with that institution, with not only the command to HLA to never again contact any member of the family ever, for ANY reason, all parties would gladly give voice to litigation to expose the greedy, negligent practices of this institution.
My hope is that some of you that have endured at the hands of these institutions will actually, maturely go to your Congressman, Senator, Govenor, or write the President to get them to do an investigation into the industry as a whole.
There are some very good treatment places and some incredibly dedicated people to the young people who do need a "reality check".
There are some still very disturbed young people just "ragging on" otherwise credible institutions here. It's not neccessarily to those of us who were hurt, to be the ones to distinguish bad institions from the good ones, but that would be the point of "regulation" in the country in this industry.
For better or for worse, it is an industry we need, but for God's sake, someone needs to mind the fox who is guarding the chickens.
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Buccalato intentionally "split" the parents and inflamed our whole family conflict, for the sole purpose of ensuring, as absolutely as much cash, out of this family's already tragic difficulties as he possibly could steal.
Rather than providing one iota of resolution to any of the family's "issues", ALL parties left the experience with that institution, with not only the command to HLA to never again contact any member of the family ever, for ANY reason, all parties would gladly give voice to litigation to expose the greedy, negligent practices of this institution.
So, have you filed suit? How's the situation now?
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The people who need to know about the situation already do.
Stop worrying about it.
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roll that paper
tighter and tighter
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How come HLA just died (ie the posting or lack thereof today}? And where is Dysfunction Junction?
Why did DJ migrate over to Academy at Swift River R in the Troubled Teens area of the Forum posting so prolifically there?
Was it the posting by his alter-ego the play-DJ, would that be enough to skee-daddle him?
Or did he just want to see if he could lively up unexplored territory, just as an academic exercise, since he knows nothing personally about ASR?
Or perhaps did HLA get to him somehow, maybe tellin' him "Get outta Dodge and we won't sue your ass" so that he vacated HLA but still needed his online fix on a daily basis?
All in all, and though it's sad to say: it's a less interesting place without him even though he was often enough just such a pompous ass-- still the verbage definitely did amuse from time to time.
:cry2:
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:wstupid:
Parents: The above poster wants control of your kid.
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On 2006-05-09 19:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How come HLA just died (ie the posting or lack thereof today}? And where is Dysfunction Junction?
Why did DJ migrate over to Academy at Swift River R in the Troubled Teens area of the Forum posting so prolifically there?
Was it the posting by his alter-ego the play-DJ, would that be enough to skee-daddle him?
Or did he just want to see if he could lively up unexplored territory, just as an academic exercise, since he knows nothing personally about ASR?
Or perhaps did HLA get to him somehow, maybe tellin' him "Get outta Dodge and we won't sue your ass" so that he vacated HLA but still needed his online fix on a daily basis?
All in all, and though it's sad to say: it's a less interesting place without him even though he was often enough just such a pompous ass-- still the verbage definitely did amuse from time to time.
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ottowa5
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Anne Hall of St. Paul is it?
HLA has nothing on any of us, hence why they resort to idle threats. As to why DJ is discussing other child prisons you'll have to ask him.
As to why there is so little posting on here these days, trust it has nothing to do with your child like attempts at satire. Trust me the only ones who found that even remotely funny were you and your junkie loser son. Unless of course you count all of your multiple personalities. I will tell you we found your attempts laughable, so if youd like to go back to it, please by all means. The other reasoning behind why posting has dropped off is because HLA is rethinking their strategy. The tactic of sending puppet after puppet onto here in weak attempts to discredit the facts we were telling didnt work. We just have to much to back up our claims. So now theyve stopped sending people to fight us and arent quite sure how to deal with things.
I am curious about one thing, you chided DJ for speaking about ASR claiming he knows nothing about it, yet here you are on an HLA message board. A school you know nothing about.
Have a great day psycho.
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