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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 31, 2006, 10:35:00 PM
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Ever wonder why we really went there? Sure we were a bunch of messed us teenagers experimenting with life and got into trouble, etc. But what did they do to us there? I mean long-term. I know that the practices stem from Synanon but also from Korean POW & CIA brainwashing tactics and sure add a little cult-like behavior. Yeah sounds far fetch but research it. But why would they do that to a bunch of teenagers? And what long term effects do they have? And here's a great question - Anyone ever feel like they are "missing" a part of themselves?
"A FREE SOCIETY'S BEST DEFENSE AGAINST UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION IS PUBLIC DISCLOSURE AND AWARENESS. THE MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND CONCIOUSNESS ALTERING TECHNOLOGY, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO RECOGNIZE ITS APPLICATION, AND THE LESS LIKELY IT WILL BE USED."
-John Marks, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate
a start to understanding >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing)
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On 2006-03-31 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ever wonder why we really went there? Sure we were a bunch of messed us teenagers experimenting with life and got into trouble, etc. But what did they do to us there? I mean long-term. - Anyone ever feel like they are "missing" a part of themselves?
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Yes, I didn't attend CEDU, but another similar independent facility- This info helped me understand...and take back a part of they what they took by sharing and taking a stand back. IF we all stand united we can bring this thing down.
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35 (http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=35)
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i can also relate to this posts. i went to cedu brown schools. i have ptsd now,nightmares,flashbacks. i am happy they are shut down now.
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I am a parent whose daughter'w evil father had her kidnapped in a fit of rage to punish her and had her sent to CEDU (may Mel WAsserman rot in hell) Although she was "only" there for three weeks the damage was enormous. Being kept awake for 24 hrs., forced to admit doing stuff she never even heard of, told she was a loser, a slut etc.. Years of post-traumatic stress (she was only 13 at the time) I can't imagine how any of you survived years of this crap. My beautiful daughter never recovered and hanged herself at the age of 24. I hate these shithead murderers and pray for their demise every night. Dear God, make these asshole's lives hell, make everything they touch turn to shit and may they drown in it amen". This is my mantra. All of you angry people, stay angry You are right; they were wrong. I am so sorry you all had to go through those concentration camps.
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On 2006-04-04 21:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am a parent whose daughter'w evil father had her kidnapped in a fit of rage to punish her and had her sent to CEDU (may Mel WAsserman rot in hell) Although she was "only" there for three weeks the damage was enormous. Being kept awake for 24 hrs., forced to admit doing stuff she never even heard of, told she was a loser, a slut etc.. Years of post-traumatic stress (she was only 13 at the time) I can't imagine how any of you survived years of this crap. My beautiful daughter never recovered and hanged herself at the age of 24. I hate these shithead murderers and pray for their demise every night. Dear God, make these asshole's lives hell, make everything they touch turn to shit and may they drown in it amen". This is my mantra. All of you angry people, stay angry You are right; they were wrong. I am so sorry you all had to go through those concentration camps. "
I weep when I read this. Lo Siento. I feel it.
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Tinker worse than ancient Egyptians did brain surgery. What do you think will happen if you put troubled kids from predominently affluent families in with men and women from bizarre backgrounds who were paid to make these depressed or spoiled kids with self confidence problems feel worse about themselves? Do you really believe that these "counselors" felt good about themselves? Did my parents think I was getting assisted by these people in issues in BUILDING self confidence and independance? YES. Instead they often send a extra ordinarily self assured, and at least independant kid off, and years later he is need of the same kind of structured environment...or the opposite. All I know for sure is when I was there the "counselors" had no trainging other than the program itself and it's influence done by older staffers. The few that appeared to have a degree in pschology either left soon after starting work, or thought that this fanatical approach to regression was the be all of every problem. It was crank. CEDU therapy dinkered with the most essential parts of our ego- super ego. If Wilhelm Reich were alive he'd be all over this shit. We have no organization to study the effects of our therapy. And it would be impossible anyway to do that kind of specific research, but I'll bet my last dollar that you can prove that Raps/Propheets handled the way they were done until WWASP bought CEDU (and afterwords, I'd venture too) that it did NO good, and in MOST cases, "CEDU therapy" done by non counselors DID more HARM!
Yelling and screaming at kids with ranging behavioral issues to do nothing but exact auto-emotional responses for the satisfaction/ideology of the "counselor" is the most absurd part of the program.
And they wolloped me...but I got mad words and logic to their emotional mumbo jumbo. My passion is resolute. They dinkered and had NO FUCKING IDEA what they were doing. SUICIDES are inevitable for some people BECAUSE of RMA or leaving RMA. Let's not forget about all those kids rma tried to 'help'. Where the fuck did they wind up? better or worse? again, the questions abound. But surely as day melts to night RMA is/was an ingredient in their lives.
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Bravo. Well put, Blownaway.[ This Message was edited by: 3BeanSalad on 2006-04-10 21:31 ]
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I have a fan. But seriously, I know there must be more people out there. I'm thinking of sending a newsletter...I want to hear more about your experience. Good or bad. Maybe i'll get a 1800 number for cedu grads, so people will come to this site and write about what they remember. I feel I am pulling teeth here. There are surely more of us. If I didn't know about this site and
If I saw an ad in the paper or a magazine about "DID YOU GO TO CEDU or RMA? call 1888 RMA- CEDU and leave any message you want- I would call. Would you? I bet there are a lot of people who ran away/ were pulled from this school that would be very interested in learning more, but just haven't thought ahout it for a long time. Not to mention the grads/ staff.
Are there seriously only 10 people who visit this site who went to my skool?
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99% of the kids who went to cedu were rich. i have the unfortunate distinction of being cedu-ized AND poor. just felt like pointing that out
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I think a number to call is a good idea. These few sites have anonymous posters and this would be a good way for contacts to be made... I bet there could be a website to go hand in hand where people could have mailboxes too - and get a hold of whoever they want to and vice versa.
Moon's up on this end...
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Well. For one thing:
What other "school" in the world genererates a life long goal of NOT running into people you know from it? What other school makes it so you HATE your teachers for the rest of your life and question society in the "real" world?
How come no one told me there were legal resources at the time I kept running away that could have played a role in my life? How come there was no one I could tell about what my intial reactions to the school were except those who either were paying or paid to keep me there?
Isn't it plain that CEDU knew exactly how to manipulate troubled parents?
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Troubled parents as well as their kids... If they could infect a sibling and include them too, even better. Contagious and potentially deadly.
Moon
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How about a partnership with Fornits? Cross-reference all of it somehow and make it really work to connect people.
[ This Message was edited by: 3BeanSalad on 2006-04-24 05:21 ]
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A current list with names and contact info of lawyers, investigators, deprogramming places, and therapists/councelors/shrinks who have worked with Cedu/RMA families?
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check your pm.
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On 2006-04-25 23:22:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"My brother graduated RMA can't say it seemed to do him much good. A fundamentalist Christian President who claims God told him to invade Iraq ? an act that killed more than 150,000 civilians, mostly women and children ? is not that much different from a fundamentalist Islamic fanatic who claims it is the will of Allah that he send young men to America to crash airliners into office buildings and kill 3,000 plus.
DOUG THOMPSON
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I didn't know that, TSW. What years was he there?
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I just wanted to respond to this post because I havent heard of any other similar cases. I was a student at CEDU middle school 97-99 and was constantly sent to a "safe house" where I was repeatedly molested and raped, before being sent to ascent for my "lies".
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What "safe house" did you go to? Who ran it? That Charles guy or was it someone else.
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I ran and got fucked in the ass by a grizzly bear. I went back and they made me do a full time and on that full time I learned that it was my fault for getting raped by that beast. CEDU saved my life. Fuck all you cocksuckers.
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CEDU saved your life, huh? What? All the BS academics because you couldn't hack it in real school? Or was it all the screaming and yelling and exploiting your past--both real and make believe -- that gave you the tools to effectively communicate with the world?
OH! I know the REAL and deep truths and tools you gleaned from your workshop gurus!
Yeah, sure. CEDU saved your life.
And, now, for another helping of Kool Aid...
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And now for another helping of Kool Aid? What are you some kind of comedian? Quit trying so hard to be witty.
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No silly. That is the term for people who are brainwashed... a la the people who drank KoolAid knowing it had poison in it because their leader told them to in the J-town cult.
Because let's face it, in a propheet, you would do anything asked of you.
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::bump::
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Ever wonder why we really went there? Sure we were a bunch of messed us teenagers experimenting with life and got into trouble, etc. But what did they do to us there? I mean long-term. I know that the practices stem from Synanon but also from Korean POW & CIA brainwashing tactics and sure add a little cult-like behavior. Yeah sounds far fetch but research it. But why would they do that to a bunch of teenagers? And what long term effects do they have? And here's a great question - Anyone ever feel like they are "missing" a part of themselves?
"A FREE SOCIETY'S BEST DEFENSE AGAINST UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION IS PUBLIC DISCLOSURE AND AWARENESS. THE MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND CONCIOUSNESS ALTERING TECHNOLOGY, THE MORE LIKELY THEY ARE TO RECOGNIZE ITS APPLICATION, AND THE LESS LIKELY IT WILL BE USED."
-John Marks, The Search for the Manchurian Candidate
a start to understanding >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing)
Great one to bump. Like most large human endeavors, I think the Program is a mish mash of different agendas and efforts. I don't think the parents and program graduate staff or even many of the high level execs in this industry really have a clue as to the broader social control implications. They're just drenched in the kool aid and think they're doing God's own work, saving the world, one child at a time and all that horse shit.
But there is some pretty compelling evidence to support that some spooky government alphabet soup types have had a finger in the pie right from the beginning, at least in the Seed/Straight line. Here's a decent article on that:
http://www.thestraights.com/people/medi ... search.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/people/medical-doctors/medical-research.htm)
I strongly suspect the same type of effort in the CEDU line. Especially since Harriman-Walker-Brown turned up as a primary funder just before CEDU proper went down in flames. Just google Harriman Walker (http://http://www.google.com/search?q=harriman+walker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a) for som`at.
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What? Too heavy? Don't believe it? Boring? What?
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What does "BUMP" mean?