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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Ganja on March 28, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
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Perhaps you came to the realization that deep down you don't like hanging out with a bunch of phonies all the time.
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Hmm. Perhaps you are right. Where are all the real people, exactly? At the library? At the Red Cross? At the morgue?
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I don't think I was talking to you.
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you're still full of shit for straight str8tsurvivorVA.
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Everyone here knows what you are talking about, at leat I do. They just dont wanna say it cause it sounds too much like group. What can we say? Oh I can relate to you? Sounds like the program huh? Well, My landlord told me when I moved in here that the lady accross the street knows what the whole neighborhood is doing. She calls him and tells him everything. All I do all day is watch her house now. I should prolly go ask her if she has been in Straight inc. too, or what the hell is her excuse? I dont think anyone can really help us. If they can at least at the momment you can afford to get the help. I hate to see you lose everything but I know at the momment that you prolly dont care if you do. I can only think of what the group tought us for the answers. They would all prolly say to get out of yourself. Kinda stupid to get out of yourself when all they teach us is to look at ourself. I hope someday we get some kind of justice.
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Everyone here knows what you are talking about, at leat I do. They just dont wanna say it cause it sounds too much like group.
Boy, do YOU like to jump to conclusions! Give people some frikken time and maybe there will be some more replies to the op. :smile:
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To the O.P.: Do not give your real name to anyone here. Do not talk to or trust anyone from the internet. There are other Straight survivors in your area, who may still be more or less brainwashed, but you can tell a lot more about whether or not or how much to trust someone in person. There are people on this site who pretend to be Straight survivors but really are not. One person last summer told me their brother was emailing them pretending to be another Straight survivor, but really they were getting information on their opiate habit to get them put in treatment against their will. You might be able to imagine that at your high security job if they found out the name of the program you were in - and this would not be so hard to do - they could easily start looking on the internet and figure out who you were by your posts. Then they could easily figure out some names of people from your program and some details from the time to make them sound legit - not hard to do on fornits and the other survivor forums at all. Then they could start sending you private messages and getting information from you. I am actually surprised that you would give so much away on the internet. It does make me wonder if you are really a high security whatever you say you are, or if you are just another sham around here. It is really no loss to anyone around here to play along with your game, but all are advised to be cautious about giving you names and such.
If I am wrong about you, my bad. I've just seen people get burned, and if I am wrong, just take my advice for yourself.
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I can think of a few things I never learned in Straight or the Seed.
I've gained some valuable insight from talking to ppl who have been there and in similar programs, learning more about the history and affilitions of those programs and what they're up to in other, related areas of endevour.
One thing I realized somewhere along the line is what I think Guest meant here:
On 2006-03-28 20:57:00, Guest wrote:
"Perhaps you came to the realization that deep down you don't like hanging out with a bunch of phonies all the time."
I went the other way. I'm a hold out. I have none of those things you say, cept a decent immediate family. Haven't spoken with the proud Seedlings in a number of years and am not fortunate enough to have surviving grandparents or other extended family.
So, while I don't think I'd call myself the quintessential loser at any point in my life (some will dissagree, surely, but fuck `em LOL) but marginal would certainly be a good adjective. But why? People tell me I'm smart and school was easy. Was pretty attractive till I started getting old. Maybe I rightly owe some long term difficulty to the mind warping effects of Program life and what it has done to my family. But, come on now! 20+ years?
Then I thought about the specific reasons why I left various jobs or walked away from social situations. Looking back, sometimes it was my own dumb assed mistake; something I would do differently if I had it to do over again. But most of the time, no. Most of the time it's been a wholesome, healthy aversion to so many different kinds of fucked up behavior due to over exposure to it in the Program.
The difference between me and your typical yuppie, as far as those things go, is that I have an extremely low threshhold for certain types of bullshit which, unfortunately, our modern culture mistakes for normal. Shit, I'd be depressed as a mother fucker too if I tried to keep those associations!
Of all the enemies to public liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.
--James Madison
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On 2006-03-29 09:07:00, Eudora wrote:
"Then I thought about the specific reasons why I left various jobs or walked away from social situations. Looking back, sometimes it was my own dumb assed mistake; something I would do differently if I had it to do over again. But most of the time, no. Most of the time it's been a wholesome, healthy aversion to so many different kinds of fucked up behavior due to over exposure to it in the Program.
The difference between me and your typical yuppie, as far as those things go, is that I have an extremely low threshhold for certain types of bullshit which, unfortunately, our modern culture mistakes for normal. Shit, I'd be depressed as a mother fucker too if I tried to keep those associations!"
Yes, exactly.
I will not allow bosses to treat me like a slave, which in many places and industries that is exactly what they do, and they feel justified, because "all the other" bosses treat their employees the same way. They think they own their employees. That is one example.
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On 2006-03-29 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the O.P.: Do not give your real name to
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If I am wrong about you, my bad. I've just seen people get burned, and if I am wrong, just take my advice for yourself."
All good advice that anyone should take into consideration before deciding if and how much personal information to disclose in any public place. This is about as public as you can get next to personal celebrity of some kind.
I would like to point out, also, that this is one of the perks to never having bought in so much. You can only own so much stuff before your stuff owns you. Sure, I like the stuff I've got or I wouldn't have gone to the trouble to get it. But I don't view any of it as really crucial. Only the people.
And those people who I haven't alienated by being my pain in the ass, weird, intense, opinionated self are probably not going to be significantly influenced by anything that anyone makes of anything I've posted on the net. Or, to put it another way, them who knows me knows me well, all the rest can go to hell. :em: If every cigarette you smoke takes seven minutes off your life, every game of Dungeons & Draggons you play delays the loss of your virginity by seven hours.
--Brian Warner - The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell
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On 2006-03-29 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
I will not allow bosses to treat me like a slave, which in many places and industries that is exactly what they do, and they feel justified, because "all the other" bosses treat their employees the same way. They think they own their employees. That is one example."
Oh yeah, man! Know what else? I have a pretty good argument for justifiable penis envy over this too. I worked with a construction electrician's crew for one day. Loved it! Paid a couple of bucks more than most chick jobs. And it was fun work, casual friendly, outdoor atmosphere. I couldn't fuckin' believe it when the boss passed a jib around at lunch time! That never happened even once in all the time I spent working in offices, factories or waiting tables.
In fact, one time a got shit canned from an embroidery shop. Perfect example of above. The very I came back from my grandma's funeral out of state, my bosses burried their dad. My grandma's funeral had unexpectedly turned into something of a semi-traditional Irish Wake. Took several days longer than I had planned. So I did what I thought anyone would do; I called and told them I'd be a couple of days longer than I had said.
That very day when I came back, the brothers who owned the place buried their father. So me and the Mexican chick who ran the back just assumed we'd be closing that day and had made plans to offer to open the next day for them.
But these turkeys take a long lunch to bury their own father! They're back by 3:30 to inform me that it's just not working out. I think they just flat out didn't believe me or understand how it can take 3 days to bury the remains of one tiny little feisty old grandma. I had a memorial card in my purse. Thought of showing it to them, but then thought what's the point, they could never understand.
So, I'm in a funk, jobless and not too far from the warehouse where Bill's getting a little over twice what I was making to do "shop work" like painting equipment, sweeping up, building stuff and the like. Similar skill level and physical strength requirements and all. I get out there and what are these guys doing on their afternoon break? What do you think?
But it's hard for a chick, especially a little blond, to keep a man's job. All kinds of resentments and silly misconceptions get in the way.
One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics.
--Stephen Hawking, English scientist
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To the OP:
You won't find your diagnosis code, unless you look under "incredibly shallow". Your entire original posts reads like a resume for a wanna be yuppy. If you were as successful and wealthy as you claim I doubt you would have good reason to feel the need to broadcast it.
Because I am so kind, I will save you all your many precious green dollars that you would otherwise waste on a therapist who has no clue what you are talking about: Get over it. Suck it up. Life is not fair. The way you were treated at Straight was NOT FAIR. It is done. MOVE ON. All you are doing now is granting them free rent in your mind.
Is it easy? NO. Will it always be there? Probably. Are you going to let them win?
YOUR CHOICE.
There you have it. Consider it a free consultation!
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On 2006-03-29 09:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the OP:
You won't find your diagnosis code, unless you look under "incredibly shallow". Your entire original posts reads like a resume for a wanna be yuppy. If you were as successful and wealthy as you claim I doubt you would have good reason to feel the need to broadcast it.
Because I am so kind, I will save you all your many precious green dollars that you would otherwise waste on a therapist who has no clue what you are talking about: Get over it. Suck it up. Life is not fair. The way you were treated at Straight was NOT FAIR. It is done. MOVE ON. All you are doing now is granting them free rent in your mind.
Is it easy? NO. Will it always be there? Probably. Are you going to let them win?
YOUR CHOICE.
There you have it. Consider it a free consultation!"
At least the O.P.'s lies are an entertaining story. Yours are just obnoxious and pathetic.
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Hey Str8survivorVA,
Don't know if I know you or not- I came up with the mayflower group from FL- but sounds like you are going through what many of us that lived through the program go through on a daily/weekly basis. I don't normally get into a lot with these posts bacause there are so many imposters out there and folks that just don't give a shit and want someplace to vent, however, I do go through much of what you do.
Successful career- I'm closing in on 20 years and retirement as an officer in the Army. I've got a wonderful wife and three children. Graduate and Post-grad degrees. Nice house, great neighborhood, etc, etc. However, there are times where I feel like I'm living a lie and that it all can't be true because of what I experienced in the past and what I did. Heck- I've been to war a few times and seen the things that happen in Iraq and in Kosovo. Now, that will give you some serious PTSD, on top of what I experienced in STR8.
But- I continue ot be extremely open with my wife on what I did in the past, and most of my close friends also know some parts of pre-STR8 and some of my experiences in STR8. I find that it helps when I recall events to talk them over with my wife or a close friend that understands. Yea, some of it is horrible, but it only get worse if its kept in. I've got many friends that have PTSD form Iraq and they are going through hell on a daily basis. There are images locked up in their minds that are reality for them back here in the states that normal human beings do not see or ever have to deal with. However, these folks live it every day. The pile of garbage on a neighborhood street (that could be an IED). Swerving as you go under an overpass because you think you're going to get hit with an RPG. Those are just a few.
Things that bothered me from the Lindy England trail and the pictures of Iraqi's stacked up on eachother brought back memories of being sat on be 10 dude's for my misbehaving. Or the cuts I put on my are because of the hurt and attention I wanted and seeing Soldiers and civilians cut up. Not great memories nor great experiences to go through. But, I do talk with freinds and family about them and it helps. The one theing I continually do is keep that part of my life in the past and live for my wonderful wife and children and put all my energy into raising them to be productive members of society. I choose not to sit on my ass and let those things in the past drag me down. Man, there is so much good to live for in this world and so much I still want to experience that I will not allow STR8 or anything else from the past disturb or destroy.
Enjoy FLA- I go down to the Keys every summer to fish for Tarpon and relax from the rest of the world. But only for a short time, as I do want to get back to my family, friends and the fun that is out there.
Psycho6
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Hey Psycho... Psssst! Over here....
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#175713 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14110&forum=7&start=10#175713)
Maybe you should remove all lethal weapons from your immediate reach and ask a trusted friend to look hang with you before you further engage in this discussion.
Lord help you, brother, if/when it finally hits home.
In a culture based on the oppressive notion that people should be exploited for profit most people can't afford to understand what happened to us in str8.
starry-eyed pirate
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On 2006-03-29 10:41:00, Psycho6 wrote:
Things that bothered me from the Lindy England trail and the pictures of Iraqi's stacked up on eachother brought back memories of being sat on be 10 dude's for my misbehaving.
What do you make of what's going on at Guantanamo? What are they doing to those people and why are they doing it? What about some of the stories coming out about School of the Americas? What's that all about?
Dude, in your military capacity, you play a role in enforcing all of that. Don't you want to know? Don't you have a compelling interest? Or at least a little curiosity? I understand why you can't come right out and say what you may be thinking. I wouldn't expect it, wouldn't even want you to. But I do want you to think, understand how it all ties together and take your own councel. 668: The Neighbor of the Beast
--Anonymous Postman
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Interesting, if we were able to sit in a coffee house somewhere, I'd be able to tell you a lot more and 'share' some of my experiences. I've been to GTMO and thoroughly understand what is going on down there. Can't talk much about the School of the Americas- only what's come out in the media--- Which brings me to another issue. Most of what we, the GAP (General American Public)see and hear is from the media. They are able to put their spin on the story and it is usually one sided. Too bad, because there is so much more going on in places like GTMO, Kosovo and Iraq, and most of it is good for the population there and helpful for the poeple in their efforts to move to a more free and democratic society. However, much of the media paints a different/horrible picture. Sure, we can argue this all you want, in fact, that ability you have to argue and say what you want on this site and in others is only secured by the men and women of the Armed Forces that defend this, and other, freedoms you have...
The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster and Associates in Atlanta. She's been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq....... Read it!
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> WHAT'S ALL THE FUSS? "Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our
shores on September 11, 2001? Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown
Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?
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> Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?
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> And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?
Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
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> I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
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> I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime
in Saudi Arabia.
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> I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's
head while Berg screamed through his gurgling
slashed throat.
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> I'll care when the cowardly so-called insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
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> I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their
suicide bombs.
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> I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law
instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
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> In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
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> When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college hazing incident, rest
assured that I don't care.
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> When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the
bank that I don't care.
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> When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is
complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely
believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.
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> And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and --- you guessed it - - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !
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> If you agree with this view point, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior! If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
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> Should you choose the latter, then please don't
complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.
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> I am not deleting this, I am sending it on, but only after I add: ME, TOO!
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Psycho6 wrote:
"places like GTMO, Kosovo and Iraq, and most of it is good for the population there and helpful for the poeple in their efforts to move to a more free and democratic society. However, much of the media paints a different/horrible picture."
To Psycho6:
Not long ago I read a thread you started called "been to Bagdad lately" Your viewpoint of public portrail there seems different/opposite here. Did something happen to change your mind?
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Personnaly I do not think me or anyone is ONLY protected by our Armed Forces for anything. There was no military anywhere around to defend or protect anyone or anything on Sept 11, 2001.
What about Pearl Harbor? Our military seems to have a very poor history of homeland defense.
But our military does have a winning record with attacking foreign countrys. And again, that's not defense, that's offense.
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shut up sissy fag :scared: :rofl: :rofl:
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your the one not logged in sissy fag :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Sure, we can argue this all you want, in fact, that ability you have to argue and say what you want on this site and in others is only secured by the men and women of the Armed Forces that defend this, and other, freedoms you have...
Believe it or not, I actually apreciate very much the intent and effort on the part of military people to do just that. Unfortunately, I do not believe for a minute that your commanders in chief (going back for some time now) share your very worthy goals in that regard. It's just useful to them if you do believe it and are hostile toward us civilians who question them.
But don't forget who this president and his daddy hang out with and who they do business with. They're not worthy of your trust or your years of service. As citizens, you and I both hold the highest office in this land and it comes with responsibilities that trump those that come w/ military service. (we all took the same oath, even us lowly once upon a time civil servants)
On 2006-03-30 11:19:00, Psycho6 wrote:
Most of what we, the GAP (General American Public)see and hear is from the media. They are able to put their spin on the story and it is usually one sided. Too bad, because there is so much more going on in places like GTMO, Kosovo and Iraq, and most of it is good for the population there and helpful for the poeple in their efforts to move to a more free and democratic society. However, much of the media paints a different/horrible picture.
Yes, and the media always misses the point. I'm not concerned that Guantanamo is unpleasant or less than comfortable for the inmates while they're there. I'm concerned about a number of other things.
For one, these are not POWs. The shrub kid and his lawyer, Gonzales said so. That's why, they say, the Geneva Conventions don't matter. That was not a lucky coincidence, it was planned for a reason.
For another, the specific kinds of treatment they're getting (what little we know about it). Sleep "management", hooding, stress positions, isolation from the world for an indeterminate period of time, just to name a few. Most Americans have not a fucking clue in the world what this does to a persons mind and spirit. But we sure as hell do. And they're doing it for a reason.
Next there's the minor little detail (according the the Büsh people it's minor) of refusing to charge these people. So there could be US citizens in there. How would we know? There could be people in there who's families have long since assumed they fled or were killed. How would they know? It's been fucking years for some of those people. And they're doing this, too, for a reason.
What is the reason? Come on. Use your imagination and think. Based on all that you know about history, politics, the people in charge and their character and habits and try coming up with a reason that doesn't insult your or my intelligence.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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On 2006-03-29 07:19:00, Gah wrote:
"Everyone here knows what you are talking about, at leat I do. They just dont wanna say it cause it sounds too much like group. What can we say? Oh I can relate to you? Sounds like the program huh? Well, My landlord told me when I moved in here that the lady accross the street knows what the whole neighborhood is doing. She calls him and tells him everything. All I do all day is watch her house now. I should prolly go ask her if she has been in Straight inc. too, or what the hell is her excuse? I dont think anyone can really help us. If they can at least at the momment you can afford to get the help. I hate to see you lose everything but I know at the momment that you prolly dont care if you do. I can only think of what the group tought us for the answers. They would all prolly say to get out of yourself. Kinda stupid to get out of yourself when all they teach us is to look at ourself. I hope someday we get some kind of justice."
Gah...you are more right on than you know...keep talkin' sister.
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...Or maybe you do... :wink:
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...and $tr8 S.vivorVA
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On 2006-03-29 10:41:00, Psycho6 wrote:
"... and folks that just don't give a shit and want someplace to vent..."
Psycho 6 shoots at Iraqis to relieve him of Straight-induced frustration, but he doesn't like anyone using this forum to "vent".
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On 2006-02-09 10:40:00, Psycho6 wrote:
"Anyone out there been to Baghdad or IZ over the past couple of years and take out some STR8 frustration on the terrorists? Was over there in early '04 doin' my part, seeing some shit and releasing that frustration...
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Another half-wit in a uniform, that's nothing new.
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On 2006-04-02 22:01:00, Str8survivorVA wrote: You know Anon I have been nothing but honest on every one of my posts since finding this forum last year. I have nothing to gain by posting here (and much to lose, apparently, according to some of the responses I have received) - except perhaps the hope that somehow it will help me in some cathartic sort of way, and maybe help someone else that is maybe going thru some of the same mind f*&% kind of stuff as me.
But these responses I get when I post that I should shut up and get over it, or that I am lying and full of shit...Well, regarding the first part I agree, I DO need to get over it, I am TRYING to get over it. I thought this forum might, in some small way, actually help with that process. Maybe I was wrong. When I first found this forum I was so, well, RELIEVED. But now, I think maybe it has done more harm than good. I am more paranoid now than ever. So I find myslelf asking myself -What the hell do I hope to achieve by posting on this forum? I mean, I have no hate message. which seems a common theme here. I harbor no anger or animosity towards anyone who, like me, was imprisoned in Str8 - Staff or otherwise. We were all children. We were mostly (except for a select sadistic few) brainwashed. I suppose, Anon there is some truth to your assertion about the risk associated with posting such personal information on this forum, but you know what, I have nothing to hide about that experience. And fuck them if they are going to hold that against me. I was a child for christsake.
If anything I guess this forum has helped me reallize how naive I am regarding web forums. This is not, and never was, a "game" to me. Is that what this forum is? Have I misunderstood someting here? Which gives me an idea for a new thread. I am curious why others post here and what they are getting out of it."
What I am getting out of it is a lot of lies from people like you who have never verified your fucking existence on this planet.
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On 2006-04-02 22:01:00, Str8survivorVA wrote:
Which gives me an idea for a new thread. I am curious why others post here and what they are getting out of it.
Cool people do come along once in awhile. You just have to ignore the assholes. In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.
--James Madison, U.S. President
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On 2006-03-30 11:19:00, Psycho6 wrote:
"Interesting, if we were able to sit in a coffee house somewhere, I'd be able to tell you a lot more and 'share' some of my experiences.
Ok, how about the Therapeutic Coffee Shop
Look, dude, you can't possibly believe that! Iraqis like it when tweaked PTSD suffering former Straightlings come over into their home towns and take out a little program agression on them.
And oh yes, who could forget when the Saudis built their first permanent military base just outside of DC. Dude! They didn't bring it to us. We have permanent military bases all over the world! We're not the ones being invaded! Please, get into your head and think!
And you didn't answer my question. I'm not asking for top secret information. Just an opinion. In your opinion, why are they doing these things? What results do they expect and for what purpose do they want them?
Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
-- Chuck Gauran
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On 2006-04-03 21:22:00, Eudora wrote:
You just have to ignore the assholes...
... or poke `em with a sharp stick once in awhile. Sometimes it can be a good way to relieve Program related stress. Do you support drug prohibition because it finances criminals at home or because it finances terrorists abroad?
--Anonymous
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So which is it, trust no one or tell me everything? ::unhappy::
(sorry, I haven't got a poke w/ sharp stick gremlin)All who doubted or denied would be lost. To live a moral and honest life -- to keep your contracts, to take care of wife and child -- to make a happy home -- to be a good citizen, a patriot, a just and thoughtful man, was simply a respectable way of going to hell.
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Cool people do come along once in awhile. You just have to ignore the assholes.
:cool: :cool: :tup:
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On 2006-04-03 21:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Cool people do come along once in awhile. You just have to ignore the assholes.
:cool: :cool: :tup: "
Shut up, Gah.
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Or.........?
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On 2006-04-03 21:41:00, Eudora wrote:
"So which is it, trust no one or tell me everything? ::unhappy::
(sorry, I haven't got a poke w/ sharp stick gremlin)
(http://http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/poke2.gif)
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I just started to research and explore this "black hole" online. I attended "Kids,Inc." along with my sister in both El Paso, Tx and Yorba Linda, CA.
My younger sister and I can talk to eachother and "connect". Not because we are sisters, but because we both understand "program".
My point is...there is a lot of healing when discussing,crying,yelling about how we were victimized.
My sister and I both suffer from depression (me the most)and severe anxiety (thats her gig).
YOU ARE NOT ALONE. Thanks for sharing with us and let us know whats on your mind again.