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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
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GREAT NEWS!! Duncan McCrann is leaving his position as Headmaster of Hyde School Woodstock Campus. Now if only the Gauld family would follow, Hyde could have a chance of succeeding!
Good luck Duncan. Maybe try professional counseling for your whole family rather than the silly seminars that didn't work at Hyde!!
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On 2006-03-27 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"GREAT NEWS!! Duncan McCrann is leaving his position as Headmaster of Hyde School Woodstock Campus. Now if only the Gauld family would follow, Hyde could have a chance of succeeding!
Good luck Duncan. Maybe try professional counseling for your whole family rather than the silly seminars that didn't work at Hyde!!"
Is this news confirmed? Any idea why he's leaving?
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Hey,
We must be on the same snail mail list. I got a letter to. I have never met this guy. Why is it good he is leaving?
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On 2006-03-27 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey,
We must be on the same snail mail list. I got a letter to. I have never met this guy. Why is it good he is leaving?
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What does the snail mail letter say?
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On 2006-03-27 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-27 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey,
We must be on the same snail mail list. I got a letter to. I have never met this guy. Why is it good he is leaving?
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What does the snail mail letter say?
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It says blah blah blah .... duncon is leaving to pursue his first love teaching blah blah blah. I am old school, Hyde is in Bath. I have no connection to the place in Woodstock so I tossed it into the woodstove. I figure that all the malcontents posting here went to Woodstock because at bath we were a "merry, happy-go-lucky throng"
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#183754 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12961&forum=43&start=80#183754)
except for Phil in 75 and Ed in 74:
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So what was rong with this dunkin guy?
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On 2006-03-28 02:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-27 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-27 17:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey,
We must be on the same snail mail list. I got a letter to. I have never met this guy. Why is it good he is leaving?
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What does the snail mail letter say?
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It says blah blah blah .... duncon is leaving to pursue his first love teaching blah blah blah. I am old school, Hyde is in Bath. I have no connection to the place in Woodstock so I tossed it into the woodstove. I figure that all the malcontents posting here went to Woodstock because at bath we were a "merry, happy-go-lucky throng"
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =80#183754 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12961&forum=43&start=80#183754)
except for Phil in 75 and Ed in 74:
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#183847 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14639&forum=43&start=0#183847)
So what was rong with this dunkin guy?"
Maybe Duncan got smart! Then again Ken Grant left as Headmaster because of a scandal he was involved in a few years back, and was then put in another postion at Bath. Maybe this move of Ken Grants was temporary until the dust settled and maybe he will be put back at Woodstock. This should be interesting to follow........
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I actually read part of the letter before I tossed it. Duncan McCrann said that he is leaving his post as headmaster after 4 years to pursue his dream of teaching chemistry - and expects to teach it "for years to come at Hyde-Woodstock" - so he isn't actually gone - just gone to a smaller abode........
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So in other words he got demoted?
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On 2006-03-29 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So in other words he got demoted?"
This isn't fair. We have no idea why this headmaster is stepping down. We all know there are many different reasons why people leave jobs. Sometimes people have simply had enough of the administrative headaches or want to do something else. Sometimes they're forced out. We shouldn't make any assumption here.
I am no fan of the Hyde School. Actually, I'd never recommend that a parent send their child there. I think Hyde should be closed down. At the same time, I want to be fair to the headmaster. I'm making no assumptions about why he's stepping down.
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On 2006-03-30 02:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-29 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So in other words he got demoted?"
This isn't fair. We have no idea why this headmaster is stepping down. We all know there are many different reasons why people leave jobs. Sometimes people have simply had enough of the administrative headaches or want to do something else. Sometimes they're forced out. We shouldn't make any assumption here.
I am no fan of the Hyde School. Actually, I'd never recommend that a parent send their child there. I think Hyde should be closed down. At the same time, I want to be fair to the headmaster. I'm making no assumptions about why he's stepping down."
Hey would you send your own kids? Opps! You never had kids. No woman will have sex with you.
Sorry
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From Malcolm's letter to the Hyde community about a replacement for Duncan McCrann:
"At this point primary consideration is being given to individuals with Hyde experience and training who will be best suited to lead the faculty in the common goal of delivering the promise of the four points of Hyde's character compass:
1. character development as defined by the Five Words and Principles;
2. a faculty that will go to the ends of the earth to help students meet with success and fulfillment;
3. the most dynamic student culture in American education (i.e., Brother's Keeper);
4. family and school working together."
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On 2006-03-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From Malcolm's letter to the Hyde community about a replacement for Duncan McCrann:
"At this point primary consideration is being given to individuals with Hyde experience and training who will be best suited to lead the faculty in the common goal of delivering the promise of the four points of Hyde's character compass:
1. character development as defined by the Five Words and Principles;
2. a faculty that will go to the ends of the earth to help students meet with success and fulfillment;
3. the most dynamic student culture in American education (i.e., Brother's Keeper);
4. family and school working together."
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This lame Hyde PR spin is getting pretty old. Many of us have seen a very different side of Hyde. The other side of this coin includes staff who don't live up to the five words and principles (such as staff who resign because of sexual harassment, staff who scream and yell at students, administrators who aren't willing to give truthful answers to parents' questions), a student culture that includes many students who spin out of control at Hyde because the school can't even begin to meet their complicated needs (This is a DYNAMIC STUDENT CULTURE? Please.), and families who are in intense conflict with Hyde because of Hyde's confrontational tactics (This is FAMILY AND SCHOOL WORKING TOGETHER? Please.) Hyde's rhetoric sounds great. There's a smelly underbelly at Hyde that flies in the face of the Madison Avenue spin.
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On 2006-03-31 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From Malcolm's letter to the Hyde community about a replacement for Duncan McCrann:
"At this point primary consideration is being given to individuals with Hyde experience and training who will be best suited to lead the faculty in the common goal of delivering the promise of the four points of Hyde's character compass:
1. character development as defined by the Five Words and Principles;
2. a faculty that will go to the ends of the earth to help students meet with success and fulfillment;
3. the most dynamic student culture in American education (i.e., Brother's Keeper);
4. family and school working together."
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This lame Hyde PR spin is getting pretty old. Many of us have seen a very different side of Hyde. The other side of this coin includes staff who don't live up to the five words and principles (such as staff who resign because of sexual harassment, staff who scream and yell at students, administrators who aren't willing to give truthful answers to parents' questions), a student culture that includes many students who spin out of control at Hyde because the school can't even begin to meet their complicated needs (This is a DYNAMIC STUDENT CULTURE? Please.), and families who are in intense conflict with Hyde because of Hyde's confrontational tactics (This is FAMILY AND SCHOOL WORKING TOGETHER? Please.) Hyde's rhetoric sounds great. There's a smelly underbelly at Hyde that flies in the face of the Madison Avenue spin. "
Your tired diatribe of negative crap is the only thing around here that smells. Hyde has worked for thousands of families since 1966. Sorry it did not work for yours, but like they say in AA it doesn't work unless YOU work it.
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On 2006-04-01 05:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From Malcolm's letter to the Hyde community about a replacement for Duncan McCrann:
"At this point primary consideration is being given to individuals with Hyde experience and training who will be best suited to lead the faculty in the common goal of delivering the promise of the four points of Hyde's character compass:
1. character development as defined by the Five Words and Principles;
2. a faculty that will go to the ends of the earth to help students meet with success and fulfillment;
3. the most dynamic student culture in American education (i.e., Brother's Keeper);
4. family and school working together."
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This lame Hyde PR spin is getting pretty old. Many of us have seen a very different side of Hyde. The other side of this coin includes staff who don't live up to the five words and principles (such as staff who resign because of sexual harassment, staff who scream and yell at students, administrators who aren't willing to give truthful answers to parents' questions), a student culture that includes many students who spin out of control at Hyde because the school can't even begin to meet their complicated needs (This is a DYNAMIC STUDENT CULTURE? Please.), and families who are in intense conflict with Hyde because of Hyde's confrontational tactics (This is FAMILY AND SCHOOL WORKING TOGETHER? Please.) Hyde's rhetoric sounds great. There's a smelly underbelly at Hyde that flies in the face of the Madison Avenue spin. "
Your tired diatribe of negative crap is the only thing around here that smells. Hyde has worked for thousands of families since 1966. Sorry it did not work for yours, but like they say in AA it doesn't work unless YOU work it.
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This is an interesting exchange. I'd like to weigh in. My family threw ourselves into the Hyde process. We gave it everything we had. About half way through we witnessed some very unprofessional behaviors by Hyde staff. Several people really mistreated some students and parents. We ended up meeting three other sets of parents who also had horrible experiences that really hurt the students and made the parents' life miserable. So, there are families who work hard to make Hyde work and then find out that there's some genuine rot at Hyde. Maybe that wasn't your experience, but it sure was ours.
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On 2006-04-01 05:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 05:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From Malcolm's letter to the Hyde community about a replacement for Duncan McCrann:
"At this point primary consideration is being given to individuals with Hyde experience and training who will be best suited to lead the faculty in the common goal of delivering the promise of the four points of Hyde's character compass:
1. character development as defined by the Five Words and Principles;
2. a faculty that will go to the ends of the earth to help students meet with success and fulfillment;
3. the most dynamic student culture in American education (i.e., Brother's Keeper);
4. family and school working together."
"
This lame Hyde PR spin is getting pretty old. Many of us have seen a very different side of Hyde. The other side of this coin includes staff who don't live up to the five words and principles (such as staff who resign because of sexual harassment, staff who scream and yell at students, administrators who aren't willing to give truthful answers to parents' questions), a student culture that includes many students who spin out of control at Hyde because the school can't even begin to meet their complicated needs (This is a DYNAMIC STUDENT CULTURE? Please.), and families who are in intense conflict with Hyde because of Hyde's confrontational tactics (This is FAMILY AND SCHOOL WORKING TOGETHER? Please.) Hyde's rhetoric sounds great. There's a smelly underbelly at Hyde that flies in the face of the Madison Avenue spin. "
Your tired diatribe of negative crap is the only thing around here that smells. Hyde has worked for thousands of families since 1966. Sorry it did not work for yours, but like they say in AA it doesn't work unless YOU work it.
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This is an interesting exchange. I'd like to weigh in. My family threw ourselves into the Hyde process. We gave it everything we had. About half way through we witnessed some very unprofessional behaviors by Hyde staff. Several people really mistreated some students and parents. We ended up meeting three other sets of parents who also had horrible experiences that really hurt the students and made the parents' life miserable. So, there are families who work hard to make Hyde work and then find out that there's some genuine rot at Hyde. Maybe that wasn't your experience, but it sure was ours. "
Care to define "mistreat" and "horrible experiences"? Then I was there the only things that came close were:
a guy with a bad comb over yelling at you
a very demanding and physical sports program
a guy with coke bottle glasses and a gold mercury capri used to drive his index finger into your chest when he talked to you
a guy named henry would make you do meaningless work
the male/female ratio was about 4/1
In the big scheme of things, not really horrible except the male female ratio.
If you have your head up your ass and you are screwing up your kids life and are completely clueless about it maybe having some one yell at you and publicly humiliate you is not a bad thing.
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"Sorry it did not work for yours, but like they say in AA it doesn't work unless YOU work it."
EXACTLY!! Hyde works like AA. This is fine, but advertise it for what it is, a program, not a school
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It's interesting that you find, humiliating someone in public acceptable behavior from a school that advertises itself as Character Building.
Listen, I can't speak for the other guy posting, but I certainly am not a baby and have tolerated much worse in my life than Hyde, but Hyde's ways are very Cult Like and can be destructive to kids who have serious problems. In my case it didn't screw me up, but I did see where some families were emotionally hurt by Hyde. I will never forget the day when a Facilitator pushed a woman over the edge to the point where I understand she had a breakdown. This womans care needed to be in the hands of a professional, not some Hyde graduate trying to act like a psychologist.
I do understand some of what you are saying in regards to people needing to toughen up, but I also understand why some former parents and students are bitter about Hyde. They do go over the top as far as I am concerned. What stands out the most to me is their false advertising about what they stand for and what a Hyde education is.
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On 2006-04-01 10:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's interesting that you find, humiliating someone in public acceptable behavior from a school that advertises itself as Character Building.
Listen, I can't speak for the other guy posting, but I certainly am not a baby and have tolerated much worse in my life than Hyde, but Hyde's ways are very Cult Like and can be destructive to kids who have serious problems. In my case it didn't screw me up, but I did see where some families were emotionally hurt by Hyde. I will never forget the day when a Facilitator pushed a woman over the edge to the point where I understand she had a breakdown. This womans care needed to be in the hands of a professional, not some Hyde graduate trying to act like a psychologist.
I do understand some of what you are saying in regards to people needing to toughen up, but I also understand why some former parents and students are bitter about Hyde. They do go over the top as far as I am concerned. What stands out the most to me is their false advertising about what they stand for and what a Hyde education is."
I'm with you on this one. Maybe it's true that some people at Hyde need to toughen up. What I can't accept are the many times I've seen people who work at Hyde humiliate other people in the name of "character education." Don't they realize that this sort of behavior is a bizarre interpretation of "character"? Does it make any sense at all to shame and humiliate people as a standard part of the Hyde model (I've seen it happen many times in seminars, hallway encounters, FLCs, etc.) and call this "character education"?
I believe in character education. I don't believe that Hyde knows how to do it with integrity, honesty, and humility, despite its advertisements. Maybe some of you have experienced a different Hyde than I have. If that's so, you should wear your shoe and I'll wear mine. If my shoe doesn't fit your foot, don't wear it, okay?
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Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you!
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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you! "
It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off. The parents must be involved in the process. If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.
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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you! "
It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off. The parents must be involved in the process. If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.
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It's true. Parents must be involved in the Hyde process. What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process. Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar. But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation. That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company. It's a trip.
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On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you! "
It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off. The parents must be involved in the process. If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.
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It's true. Parents must be involved in the Hyde process. What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process. Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar. But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation. That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company. It's a trip."
In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment. To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde.
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On 2006-04-02 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you! "
It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off. The parents must be involved in the process. If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.
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It's true. Parents must be involved in the Hyde process. What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process. Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar. But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation. That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company. It's a trip."
In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment. To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde."
You're absolutely right when you say that "to be teachable you must be humble." Hyde says that everyone in the community must be willing to learn, to be teachable. One of Hyde's fundamental problems is that while some people in the community are indeed humble, too many are not. There are simply too many glaring contradictions at Hyde, primarily including a number of very visible and vocal administrators and staff who are just the opposite of humble. Staff who shame, humiliate, denigrate and belittle students and parents are not humble. There's no question that too much of that occurs at Hyde - no question at all. Once Hyde rids itself of that quality, perhaps it will be a healthy environment that lives up to the ideals and principles that hang from the banners on the walls.
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On 2006-04-02 08:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-02 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Very well said. When you speak of shame and humiliation I think back to my childhood and the couple of things that took hold and effected me the rest of my life. I am not a psychologist, but I know it is not good to feel such shame and humiliation especially in front of an audience. It reminds me of a movie I saw portraying Jim Jones and his followers.
I think Hyde could be a good program if it were run by outsiders who are not related to the Gaulds and who would start out fresh rather than having the effects of living at Hyde all of their lives as many of their leaders have. In fact we need more schools with good character education, but not in the way Hyde does it and not operated by administrators who have serious emotional afflictions themselves. If Hyde wants to run this like a treatment program, then let them say this, and let them hire professional counselors, but if they are going to continue to operate as "Character Education" then they have a lot to learn in order to be effective.
PLEASE parents, do your homework, talk to former parents and students who are NOT listed on Hyde's recommendation sheet before you enroll your child there. If you simply want to dump your kid off at a place that will have structure, very poor education and completely dysfunctional people raising your child, then Hyde is the place for you! "
It is much better to live in a funk than be shocked out of it. The fact is that Hyde will not let you just drop your kid off. The parents must be involved in the process. If you want to be guided by the dysfunctional liten to the folk(s) posting hear telling you that hyde is bad.
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It's true. Parents must be involved in the Hyde process. What they don't tell you is that you have to be prepared to be shamed and humilated by Hyde staff and some alumni parents while you're involved in the Hyde process. Some parents manage to avoid this either by buying in to the Hyde cult or by playing the Hyde game and flying under the radar. But any parent who challenges Hyde should be prepared to be subjected to all manner of finger pointing, lectures, sermon, and humiliation. That's Hyde's version of character education, a la Joe Gauld and company. It's a trip."
In order to change you have to reach a teachable moment. To be teachable you must be humble. It takes differnt things for different people. If you are not interested in growth and change by all means dont become involved with hyde."
You're absolutely right when you say that "to be teachable you must be humble." Hyde says that everyone in the community must be willing to learn, to be teachable. One of Hyde's fundamental problems is that while some people in the community are indeed humble, too many are not. There are simply too many glaring contradictions at Hyde, primarily including a number of very visible and vocal administrators and staff who are just the opposite of humble. Staff who shame, humiliate, denigrate and belittle students and parents are not humble. There's no question that too much of that occurs at Hyde - no question at all. Once Hyde rids itself of that quality, perhaps it will be a healthy environment that lives up to the ideals and principles that hang from the banners on the walls."
O.K. so how does Hyde deal with some one that is outside the community norms? Shunning is a time honored practice in closed communities. see:
http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml#shun (http://www.800padutch.com/atafaq.shtml#shun)
The justification _is_ from the teachings of Paul which I am some times less then sanguine about. But he was a well meaning fellow and the road to demascus story made a wonderful Caravaggio painting:
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/art/images/carav14.jpg (http://www.christusrex.org/www2/art/images/carav14.jpg)
which in turn provided the archatype for Piccasso's piece of the senselessness and horror of war:
http://www.abcgallery.com/P/picasso/picasso34.html (http://www.abcgallery.com/P/picasso/picasso34.html)
No One Special
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Once again I see a number of people (or could it just be one person having a conversation with him or herself?) whining and making outrageous statements without identifying themselves.
How can anyone take any of you seriously when none of you are willing to back up your statements, innuendoes, and accusations by stating your name?
I am saddened by the lack of integrity, maybe thatÕs why you all probably washed out.
Stephen Long
Hyde '81
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Also take note, that a lot of the people in the forum are complaining about lack of professional psycho help....
It is a FACT that there are a bunch of Hyde-Basher parents on this site that are indeed Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Ed. Consults whose kids ended up at Hyde and left in dismay!
If it don't work at home...it ain't gonna work at Hyde!
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On 2006-04-03 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Also take note, that a lot of the people in the forum are complaining about lack of professional psycho help....
It is a FACT that there are a bunch of Hyde-Basher parents on this site that are indeed Psychologists, Psychiatrists and Ed. Consults whose kids ended up at Hyde and left in dismay!
If it don't work at home...it ain't gonna work at Hyde!"
FYI: I am a parent whose child had a terrible experience at Hyde. We were very unimpressed with the school, especially after working very hard to give Hyde a chance, participating in the seminars, etc. And, I am NOT a psychologist, psychiatrist, or educational consultant. Neither is my spouse. That wasn't our situation at all. Hyde turned out to be a very negative environment for all of us. We're still recovering from the scars.
If the shoe fits, wear it; otherwise, throw it away.
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New Head of School for the Woodstock campus!! - I just received a form letter from Malcolm Gauld announcing that..........Laura Gauld will be taking over as Head of School in Woodstock in June.
And so the professional incest continues unabated!!
Hooray for the Gaulds and their Board of Governors!! Let's just keep it all in the family......
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Laurea Gauld is AWESOME and will do wonders for Hyde-Light
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On 2006-04-13 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"New Head of School for the Woodstock campus!! - I just received a form letter from Malcolm Gauld announcing that..........Laura Gauld will be taking over as Head of School in Woodstock in June.
And so the professional incest continues unabated!!
Hooray for the Gaulds and their Board of Governors!! Let's just keep it all in the family......"
Is that the fruit of Joe's loins, Mrs Paul Hurd or has then been some Gauld breeding that I am unaware of?
sue doenym
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Laura Denton Gauld '76
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On 2006-04-13 12:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura Denton Gauld '76"
aka Mrs Malcolm Gauld. Is her sister Beth married to a Hyde-ite?
Sue Doenym
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Laura Gauld is by far the best of the Gauld lot - I got the letter today, too. Apparently she is going to continue to live in Bath and go to Woodstock on the weekends........A Head of School only there on the weekends??
I think - and this is my personal opinion - that a Head of School should be ever present on campus and ever available - watching games/patting kids on the back/opening his/her home just to chat....etc. -
Without her presence on the campus 24/7 - these kids will be accountable exclusively to the Deans' Area - and that is a very subjective and arbitrary place....
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One of Laura's sisters is Clare (Denton) Grant '75, wife of Ken Grant (Hyde alum and staff).
Other relatives of Laura Denton Gauld who are Hyde alums are Beth Denton, Jay Jones, and Debbie Jones.
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On 2006-04-13 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura Gauld is by far the best of the Gauld lot - I got the letter today, too. Apparently she is going to continue to live in Bath and go to Woodstock on the weekends........A Head of School only there on the weekends??
I think - and this is my personal opinion - that a Head of School should be ever present on campus and ever available - watching games/patting kids on the back/opening his/her home just to chat....etc. -
Without her presence on the campus 24/7 - these kids will be accountable exclusively to the Deans' Area - and that is a very subjective and arbitrary place...."
That lends credence to the charge of Gauld Family cupidity. She has the job, but does not have to show up most of the time. Neotism and sinicure are words that come to mind.
Sue Doenym
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Nepotism ... sorry
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I don't know if you read the letter wrong, but she's in Woodstock during the week, Mal and Harrison come to Woodstock on the weekends, because he goes to a special school io Bath, then once a onth Laura heads up to Bath to take care of home business..
You folks are mean spirited people.
I hope you sleep well at night.
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Stu Jones, Beth Denton
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Nepotism aside, I always liked Laura. They could have done worse.[ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2006-04-13 12:41 ]
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On 2006-04-13 12:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stu Jones, Beth Denton"
Isn't that illegal in most states?
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On 2006-04-13 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know if you read the letter wrong, but she's in Woodstock during the week, Mal and Harrison come to Woodstock on the weekends, because he goes to a special school io Bath, then once a onth Laura heads up to Bath to take care of home business..
You folks are mean spirited people.
I hope you sleep well at night."
Aw come on now. We just havin' a little fun. How many head of school have not been married to a Gauld, a Gauld, or married to a relative of some one that is married to a Gauld. I can only name one. If it walks like a duck I am I mean to call it a duck?
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On 2006-04-13 13:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know if you read the letter wrong, but she's in Woodstock during the week, Mal and Harrison come to Woodstock on the weekends, because he goes to a special school io Bath, then once a onth Laura heads up to Bath to take care of home business..
You folks are mean spirited people.
I hope you sleep well at night."
Aw come on now. We just havin' a little fun. How many head of school have not been married to a Gauld, a Gauld, or married to a relative of some one that is married to a Gauld. I can only name one. If it walks like a duck I am I mean to call it a duck?
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Hey, whether Laura Denton Gauld is good or not is not the question. Why does this school only allow family members to be in a head position? True that Duncan McCrann was not a family member, but he only lasted a few years after the former headmaster, (a relative through marriage) screwed up and was moved to Bath.
No one is mean spirited, they simply are factual. Interesting that you think facts equal "mean spirited." I see nothing but compliments about Laura other than it being odd for a Headmaster to commute. It does seem odd to me also when in fact a Headmaster does need to be on campus at all times. You sound like a typical Hydette putting down anyone who says something you don't like about the way Hyde School is run.
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On 2006-04-13 13:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 13:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know if you read the letter wrong, but she's in Woodstock during the week, Mal and Harrison come to Woodstock on the weekends, because he goes to a special school io Bath, then once a onth Laura heads up to Bath to take care of home business..
You folks are mean spirited people.
I hope you sleep well at night."
Aw come on now. We just havin' a little fun. How many head of school have not been married to a Gauld, a Gauld, or married to a relative of some one that is married to a Gauld. I can only name one. If it walks like a duck I am I mean to call it a duck?
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Hey, whether Laura Denton Gauld is good or not is not the question. Why does this school only allow family members to be in a head position? True that Duncan McCrann was not a family member, but he only lasted a few years after the former headmaster, (a relative through marriage) screwed up and was moved to Bath.
No one is mean spirited, they simply are factual. Interesting that you think facts equal "mean spirited." I see nothing but compliments about Laura other than it being odd for a Headmaster to commute. It does seem odd to me also when in fact a Headmaster does need to be on campus at all times. You sound like a typical Hydette putting down anyone who says something you don't like about the way Hyde School is run."
Ok I can only name one: Ed Legg
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On 2006-04-13 13:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
Hey, whether Laura Denton Gauld is good or not is not the question. Why does this school only allow family members to be in a head position?
It's easier to control the people and information when you create an insular world.
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On 2006-04-13 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura Gauld is by far the best of the Gauld lot - I got the letter today, too. Apparently she is going to continue to live in Bath and go to Woodstock on the weekends........A Head of School only there on the weekends??
I think - and this is my personal opinion - that a Head of School should be ever present on campus and ever available - watching games/patting kids on the back/opening his/her home just to chat....etc. -
Without her presence on the campus 24/7 - these kids will be accountable exclusively to the Deans' Area - and that is a very subjective and arbitrary place...."
here you go fresh from the scanner:
HYDE
SCHOOLS
PREPARATION FOR LIFE
HYDE SCHOOLS Bath, ME
New Haven, CT Woodstock, CT Washington, DC
Dear Members and Friends of the Hyde Community,
April 12, 2006
MALCOLM GAULD
PRESIDENT
HYDE WILDERNESS PROGRAM
Eusfis, ME
THE BIGGEST JOB®
The Hyde Board of Governors is pleased to announce the appointment of Laura Denton Gauld '76 as the new Head of School at the Hyde School of Woodstock (CT). Laura will assume the reins of her new role in June 2006.
Born in North Carolina and raised in New England, Laura attended Hyde School, as did her four siblings, graduating with high honors. At Beloit College, she studied early American history. After marrying and returning to New England, she completed her studies at the University of Southern Maine.
During her twenty-five year Hyde tenure, Laura has been a math teacher and chair of the department, coached a variety of sports ranging from varsity women's basketball (a sport she played at Hyde and Beloit) to men's cross-country running, and held several administrative positions, including Dean of Students, Director of Performing Arts, and Director of Family Education.
In 1998, Laura established The Biggest Job program, a parenting workshop that evolved into the book The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have (Scribner, 2002). In recent years, Laura has consulted with schools, businesses, organizations, and communities, reaching thousands of parents with the Hyde message of family-based character education. Her efforts to affect the parenting culture in this country have been recognized through such honors as Maine's Mother of the Year Award (1998) and the 2005 Maine Media Women President's Award.
In anticipation of her move to Woodstock, Laura said, "I am humbled and excited to be given this opportunity to build on the foundation Duncan McCrann and others have laid in Woodstock and to be part of a team that will lead Hyde-Woodstock into its second decade."
Regarding Laura's appointment, Rob Krebs, Chair of the Hyde Board of Governors, said: "Laura personifies the principles of a Hyde character education and has demonstrated over the years her unique ability to instill them in the lives of Hyde students and families."
Laura will move to Woodstock in June in order to fully integrate herself into the daily life of the Summer Challenge program in preparation for the opening of school in September. While our two daughters, Mahalia and Scout, will be enrolled at one of the Hyde boarding schools next year, our son Harrison will remain at the wonderful school he currently attends in Maine. Hence, I plan to live in Bath during the week and travel with Harrison on weekends to Woodstock.
I want to especially thank the Board of Governors for their guidance and leadership in the process that has led to Laura's appointment. Laura intends to be on campus throughout the upcoming Spring Family Weekend (4/20-23) to meet Woodstock parents and students. This spring she will work to assemble a leadership team that will best serve the students and families of HydeWoodstock. Here's to some exciting days ahead for Laura and everyone at Hyde!
Malcolm W. Gauld President
616 High Street ? Bath, ME 04530 ? P: 207.443.7390 ? F: 207.442.9352 ? mgauld@hyde.edu
I agree with one of the posts, Laura probably is the pick of the litter.
Now there is wimmin in charge of Hyde and Hyde lite. Perhaps there is hope.
sue doenym
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The headmaster after Ed Legg wasn't a Gauld, either. Joe hadn't come back into power, yet.
Part of the reason the Gauld's hold power so closely has to do with the time when they lost it in the early 80's. Joe, having left the school under pressure, fought his way back into the school. Then, he pulled his children and their families, who had also left the faculty and started lives elsewhere, back into the school. After giving up power during the era of Ed Legg and those who followed him, the Gaulds are not apt to let it go again. When Paul Hurd was dethroned, Malcolm's letter to the community said they were going to conduct a thorough national search, but, no surprise, Laurie Gauld, Malcolm's sister/Paul's wife/ Joe's daughter, was appointed.
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On 2006-04-13 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The headmaster after Ed Legg wasn't a Gauld, either. Joe hadn't come back into power, yet.
Part of the reason the Gauld's hold power so closely has to do with the time when they lost it in the early 80's. Joe, having left the school under pressure, fought his way back into the school. Then, he pulled his children and their families, who had also left the faculty and started lives elsewhere, back into the school. After giving up power during the era of Ed Legg and those who followed him, the Gaulds are not apt to let it go again. When Paul Hurd was dethroned, Malcolm's letter to the community said they were going to conduct a thorough national search, but, no surprise, Laurie Gauld, Malcolm's sister/Paul's wife/ Joe's daughter, was appointed. "
Please forgive me for asking a stupid question, but how can a good boarding school have a traveling Headmaster who is only there on the weekends. This seems a bit crazy and unprofessional.
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And there was Williams after the BOG thru Ed and Joe out.
Funny, I randomly picked up a Boston Globe one day, there was the add that found Williams. I ran into Mal and Laura randomly in Massachusetts a couple of times during that period. I always wondered if it is: http://skepdic.com/jung.html (http://skepdic.com/jung.html). I like "I heart huckabee's" take on it. Everything is random and meaningless, everything is connected. Both true at the same time.
The power struggle with Legg must have left a mark on Joe. I would guess that is why he is keeping the power close to the blood lines.
Was Paul dethrowned?
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On 2006-04-13 19:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The headmaster after Ed Legg wasn't a Gauld, either. Joe hadn't come back into power, yet.
Part of the reason the Gauld's hold power so closely has to do with the time when they lost it in the early 80's. Joe, having left the school under pressure, fought his way back into the school. Then, he pulled his children and their families, who had also left the faculty and started lives elsewhere, back into the school. After giving up power during the era of Ed Legg and those who followed him, the Gaulds are not apt to let it go again. When Paul Hurd was dethroned, Malcolm's letter to the community said they were going to conduct a thorough national search, but, no surprise, Laurie Gauld, Malcolm's sister/Paul's wife/ Joe's daughter, was appointed. "
Please forgive me for asking a stupid question, but how can a good boarding school have a traveling Headmaster who is only there on the weekends. This seems a bit crazy and unprofessional."
If you read most of the posts on this board, you would get that hyde was not a good boarding school.
see:
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#188005 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14634&forum=43&start=40#188005)
" I (malcolm) plan to live in Bath during the week and travel with Harrison on weekends to Woodstock. "
Sound like woman is crackin the whip.
sue d
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Laura's son Harrison is autistic and needs a special school
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On 2006-04-13 21:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura's son Harrison is autistic and needs a special school"
I am very sympathetic to this, but don't you think they should choose a Headmaster who is capable of living on location?
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On 2006-04-13 22:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-13 21:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura's son Harrison is autistic and needs a special school"
I am very sympathetic to this, but don't you think they should choose a Headmaster who is capable of living on location?"
She is living on location. Her son is visiting. Many employeers give special considerations to family needs.
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On 2006-04-13 21:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Laura's son Harrison is autistic and needs a special school"
this sounds like a very challenging situation. i hope this child can handle being away from his mother monday to friday (and vice versa). is this really what's best for everyone involved?
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y don't u ask him:
mgauld@hyde.edu
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From Malcolm's letter on the previous page:
In 1998, Laura established The Biggest Job program, a parenting workshop that evolved into the book The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have (Scribner, 2002). In recent years, Laura has consulted with schools, businesses, organizations, and communities, reaching thousands of parents with the Hyde message of family-based character education. Her efforts to affect the parenting culture in this country have been recognized through such honors as Maine's Mother of the Year Award (1998) and the 2005 Maine Media Women President's Award.
How is that possible? Your oldest kid needs to be at least 18 for that award.
http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4 (http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4)
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From Malcolm's letter on the previous page:
In 1998, Laura established The Biggest Job program, a parenting workshop that evolved into the book The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have (Scribner, 2002). In recent years, Laura has consulted with schools, businesses, organizations, and communities, reaching thousands of parents with the Hyde message of family-based character education. Her efforts to affect the parenting culture in this country have been recognized through such honors as Maine's Mother of the Year Award (1998) and the 2005 Maine Media Women President's Award.
How is that possible? Your oldest kid needs to be at least 18 for that award.
http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4 (http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4)
this looks like descripton for older women:
Nominees for this recognition are sought yearly on the state level with recommendations coming from the mother's contacts such as church groups, choral groups, PTA organizations, local businesses, etc. Nominees are well-respected, devoted mothers who interact in a positive manner on a family, spiritual, community, and civic basis. Each State Mother of the Year attends the National Convention where the AMI National Mother of the Year is selected.
Qualifications for State Mother of the Year®
* Have been married to her husband, a man, in a legal ceremony.
* Be a mother of one or more children. Her oldest child must be over 18 years old by Mother's Day of the year in which she will serve as Mother of the Year.
* Have proven to be a successful mother as evidenced by her child(ren)'s accomplishments.
* Be able to represent American Mothers, Inc.® using her mothering experience.
* Be an active member of a faith-based organization.
* Be an active participant in community, state, national or international activities.
* Be a member in good standing of American Mothers, Inc.® by February 20 of the year for which she is nominated and be willing to participate in AMI activities and support its goals as defined by its mission statement.
* Be able to complete the required portfolio.
The State Mother of the Year becomes a role model and spokesperson for motherhood as well as an ambassador for American Mothers, Inc.®
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From Malcolm's letter on the previous page:
In 1998, Laura established The Biggest Job program, a parenting workshop that evolved into the book The Biggest Job We'll Ever Have (Scribner, 2002). In recent years, Laura has consulted with schools, businesses, organizations, and communities, reaching thousands of parents with the Hyde message of family-based character education. Her efforts to affect the parenting culture in this country have been recognized through such honors as Maine's Mother of the Year Award (1998) and the 2005 Maine Media Women President's Award.
How is that possible? Your oldest kid needs to be at least 18 for that award.
http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4 (http://www.americanmothers.org/node/4)
Perhaps Laura Gauld received the YOUNG Mother of the Year Award, which is clearly not the same thing, but...
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"truth" over harmony! :rofl: