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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 11:05:00 AM
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Hi,
This thread is for people that would like to say nice things about Hyde.
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I loved every day I spent at The Hyde School in Bath, Maine from 1999 to 2001.
John H Glenn
Boston, MA
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On 2006-03-27 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I loved every day I spent at The Hyde School in Bath, Maine from 1999 to 2001.
John H Glenn
Boston, MA"
It was a good step along the path for me.
Will Sipsey 75-77
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Hyde is a horrible program with little to gain other than for people who need to be incarcerated or under very strict supervision. Even then the kids are not handled in the appropriate manner. Teachers give out prescription medicine, staff in high positions have been physically abusive to kids, no psychological counseling on campus, and so on!!
Parents be careful. If you love your child find a good program that has professionals on staff. Look at the attrition rate of the staff. This tells a lot about a school.
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On 2006-03-27 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi,
This thread is for people that would like to say nice things about Hyde.
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I wish I could accept your invitation to say nice things about Hyde. Unfortunately, I'm hard pressed to come up with any nice comments of any substance. My Hyde experience, and that of most of the people I was there with, was absolutely horrible. Here's my short list:
Too many staff who abused us verbally
Too many staff who were young and inexperienced
Too many staff who didn't have their act together
Too many staff who were caught up in the Hyde script and used it in place of their own independent thinking
Too many staff who had no idea what to do in the classroom as teachers
Too many seminars where people "lost it" and staff didn't know what to do
Too many students with big time mental health problems and no staff to help them
Too much time listening to Joe Gauld lecture us
I am so sorry I went to Hyde. I've been trying to recover ever since.
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On 2006-03-27 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-27 08:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi,
This thread is for people that would like to say nice things about Hyde.
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I wish I could accept your invitation to say nice things about Hyde. Unfortunately, I'm hard pressed to come up with any nice comments of any substance. My Hyde experience, and that of most of the people I was there with, was absolutely horrible. Here's my short list:
Too many staff who abused us verbally
Too many staff who were young and inexperienced
Too many staff who didn't have their act together
Too many staff who were caught up in the Hyde script and used it in place of their own independent thinking
Too many staff who had no idea what to do in the classroom as teachers
Too many seminars where people "lost it" and staff didn't know what to do
Too many students with big time mental health problems and no staff to help them
Too much time listening to Joe Gauld lecture us
I am so sorry I went to Hyde. I've been trying to recover ever since.
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hyde rocks!
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On 2006-03-27 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde is a horrible program with little to gain other than for people who need to be incarcerated or under very strict supervision. Even then the kids are not handled in the appropriate manner. Teachers give out prescription medicine, staff in high positions have been physically abusive to kids, no psychological counseling on campus, and so on!!
Parents be careful. If you love your child find a good program that has professionals on staff. Look at the attrition rate of the staff. This tells a lot about a school."
"people who need to be incarcerated or under very strict supervision"
Don't dime yourself like that, man. Have some self respect.
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Why are you polluting this thread...keep your negs on the other million threads in this forum.
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On 2006-03-28 06:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are you polluting this thread...keep your negs on the other million threads in this forum."
Hyde Rules
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On 2006-03-28 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-28 06:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are you polluting this thread...keep your negs on the other million threads in this forum."
Hyde Rules"
Interesting that each thread welcomes both cons and pros about Hyde, but this thread is asking for only pro's. Better than starting a "pro Hyde" thread, why don't you start your own website like Hyde has where you can lie about how wonderful Hyde school is?
Hyde is a dangerous place both psychologically and physically and it is just a matter of time until the entire truth comes out about the sick staff that work there. They are mostly mentally ill people who don't know how to function in the real world outside of Hyde. The ones who are mentally stable get the hell out of Hyde within a year or two!
I strongly urge the sincere parents who are looking for a good school to choose somewhere other than Hyde. There are plenty of good ones out there if you look hard enough.
All the negative that has been said about Joe Gauld, (the founder of the school) is true. He believes he is a prophet sent by G-d! Don't throw away your money on Hyde. If you want a place run by someone like Joe Gauld just search through the internet for Cults. Cults mostly take donations rather than tuition plus mandatory donations.
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On 2006-03-28 20:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-28 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-28 06:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why are you polluting this thread...keep your negs on the other million threads in this forum."
Hyde Rules"
Interesting that each thread welcomes both cons and pros about Hyde, but this thread is asking for only pro's. Better than starting a "pro Hyde" thread, why don't you start your own website like Hyde has where you can lie about how wonderful Hyde school is?
Hyde is a dangerous place both psychologically and physically and it is just a matter of time until the entire truth comes out about the sick staff that work there. They are mostly mentally ill people who don't know how to function in the real world outside of Hyde. The ones who are mentally stable get the hell out of Hyde within a year or two!
I strongly urge the sincere parents who are looking for a good school to choose somewhere other than Hyde. There are plenty of good ones out there if you look hard enough.
All the negative that has been said about Joe Gauld, (the founder of the school) is true. He believes he is a prophet sent by G-d! Don't throw away your money on Hyde. If you want a place run by someone like Joe Gauld just search through the internet for Cults. Cults mostly take donations rather than tuition plus mandatory donations."
By God? When did he make that claim?
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He never made that claim.
Hyde doesn't give a shit about this website.
There are three or four families doing the majority of bashing. Just read all the posts...every ten or eleven there's the exact same bash. Get a life and move on.
Thanks
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On 2006-03-29 06:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He never made that claim.
Hyde doesn't give a shit about this website.
There are three or four families doing the majority of bashing. Just read all the posts...every ten or eleven there's the exact same bash. Get a life and move on.
Thanks"
I have a life, thanks for the suggetion. "Move on" there is a cue that I am up for.
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I appreciate your honesty!
Bye!
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Actually I think you are wrong about it only being three or four families. I think you are right that it started out that way, but in looking at all the posts it looks like some dropped out along the way and many new people have joined. Yes it does seem like "many" is the word although maybe you are right about Hyde not caring. Good for them. I am not sure this website was created for the good of Hyde. I believe it was created to help future families who research on the web before narrowing their choices down.
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On 2006-03-29 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Actually I think you are wrong about it only being three or four families. I think you are right that it started out that way, but in looking at all the posts it looks like some dropped out along the way and many new people have joined. Yes it does seem like "many" is the word although maybe you are right about Hyde not caring. Good for them. I am not sure this website was created for the good of Hyde. I believe it was created to help future families who research on the web before narrowing their choices down."
No, it really looks like one person posting and repling to thier own posts with a bunch of made up shit.
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Joe Gauld is a great man. End of fucking story!!
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On 2006-03-29 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Joe Gauld is a great man. End of fucking story!!"
With out a doubt. Joe is a sui generis genius. Nothing existed like hyde prior to '66. I give the man his props.
Will
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On 2006-03-29 09:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-29 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Actually I think you are wrong about it only being three or four families. I think you are right that it started out that way, but in looking at all the posts it looks like some dropped out along the way and many new people have joined. Yes it does seem like "many" is the word although maybe you are right about Hyde not caring. Good for them. I am not sure this website was created for the good of Hyde. I believe it was created to help future families who research on the web before narrowing their choices down."
No, it really looks like one person posting and repling to thier own posts with a bunch of made up shit.
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Feel free to assume that the one person, or even two or three people, are posting all these comments. There's no doubt that the group is much larger. I've posted some comments and have read tons that I haven't written. Some clearly are from students from long ago, a handful of years ago, current parents, parents from long ago, parents who left Hyde recently, a couple of former faculty, and now somebody from Hyde-DC who has chosen to share a long e-mail from Joe. There's no way in the world some of us would have known any of this Hyde-DC stuff or what it was like to be a faculty member years ago. Yes, some people have stopped posting, it seems, and new people are posting. Some people seem to post the same comments over and over. Hyde may want to shrug this off, but I happen to know that some people there are worried about enrollments. This stuff can't possibly help and has probably hurt.
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hey hyde still rules
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On 2006-03-31 03:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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hey hyde still rules"
Oh please, don't you have anything better to offer than "hyde rules."
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Yeah...
Hyde Rules...You Dickhead!
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If it wasn't for Hyde , I would not be attending the prestigious Cornell University. :wave:
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On 2006-03-31 13:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If it wasn't for Hyde , I would not be attending the prestigious Cornell University. :wave: "
I seriously doubt that you go to Cornell University and are a graduate of Hyde. When were you at Hyde? Did you graduate? Which campus were you at?
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On 2006-03-31 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 03:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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hey hyde still rules"
Oh please, don't you have anything better to offer than "hyde rules.""
hyde rocks
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On 2006-04-01 05:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 03:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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hey hyde still rules"
Oh please, don't you have anything better to offer than "hyde rules.""
hyde rocks"
Hyde is outstanding.
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On 2006-03-31 08:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 03:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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hey hyde still rules"
Oh please, don't you have anything better to offer than "hyde rules.""
hyde is quintessence
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The Hyde School
616 High St.
Bath Me. is groovilecent
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On 2006-04-11 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Hyde School
616 High St.
Bath Me. is groovilecent"
yeh
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On 2006-04-19 02:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Hyde School
616 High St.
Bath Me. is groovilecent"
yeh"
lets move this back to the top of the threads
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On 2006-06-09 05:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-19 02:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Hyde School
616 High St.
Bath Me. is groovilecent"
yeh"
lets move this back to the top of the threads"
The posts on this thread lack any substance. I believe that anyone who is searching for a good boarding school will figure out that he is best off looking for a well established school with professional staff and a headmaster with good credentials. There are some schools listed on this site where the posters have had very good experiences. I highly recommend that you search for these posts and investigate those schools that have a good record, speak honestly about the type of student enrolled, and will work with you and your child on their issues. At Hyde it is a one size fits all school with one leader who believes he is the Rev Jackson of boarding schools with all the answers in life!
There are many good boarding schools out there that incorporate both learning and character without sacrificing one for the other. I am sorry I wasted 2 years of my childs life at Hyde only to see that he was not prepared for college after his "Hyde education." I got caught up in the whole "rah rah" thing at Hyde too, and there are some good elements about Hyde, but I did finally realize that Hyde operates like a Cult rather than a character school.
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On 2006-06-09 05:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-09 05:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-19 02:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-11 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Hyde School
616 High St.
Bath Me. is groovilecent"
yeh"
lets move this back to the top of the threads"
The posts on this thread lack any substance. I believe that anyone who is searching for a good boarding school will figure out that he is best off looking for a well established school with professional staff and a headmaster with good credentials. There are some schools listed on this site where the posters have had very good experiences. I highly recommend that you search for these posts and investigate those schools that have a good record, speak honestly about the type of student enrolled, and will work with you and your child on their issues. At Hyde it is a one size fits all school with one leader who believes he is the Rev Jackson of boarding schools with all the answers in life!
There are many good boarding schools out there that incorporate both learning and character without sacrificing one for the other. I am sorry I wasted 2 years of my childs life at Hyde only to see that he was not prepared for college after his "Hyde education." I got caught up in the whole "rah rah" thing at Hyde too, and there are some good elements about Hyde, but I did finally realize that Hyde operates like a Cult rather than a character school."
disregard the above. It was posted by shill from HLA
hyde is a great school
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Is groovelecent a real word?
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sorry...groovilecent. my bad on the spelling.
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apology accepted...
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On 2006-03-27 10:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I loved every day I spent at The Hyde School in Bath, Maine from 1999 to 2001.
John H Glenn
Boston, MA"
It was a good step along the path for me.
Will Sipsey 75-77
Ditto!!!
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Interesting that each thread welcomes both cons and pros about Hyde, but this thread is asking for only pro's. Better than starting a "pro Hyde" thread, why don't you start your own website like Hyde has where you can lie about how wonderful Hyde school is?
Hyde is a dangerous place both psychologically and physically and it is just a matter of time until the entire truth comes out about the sick staff that work there. They are mostly mentally ill people who don't know how to function in the real world outside of Hyde. The ones who are mentally stable get the hell out of Hyde within a year or two!
I strongly urge the sincere parents who are looking for a good school to choose somewhere other than Hyde. There are plenty of good ones out there if you look hard enough.
All the negative that has been said about Joe Gauld, (the founder of the school) is true. He believes he is a prophet sent by G-d! Don't throw away your money on Hyde. If you want a place run by someone like Joe Gauld just search through the internet for Cults. Cults mostly take donations rather than tuition plus mandatory donations.
It is interesting. It's also interesting how similar the three word phrases in support of Hyde are. Makes ya wonder why. I also wonder why they never seem to be able to carry on an actual discussion about Hyde. If you people are going to come on here in support Hyde, be prepared to defend your position, otherwise you just look juvenile and foolish. Christ, you guys are always going on about you higher education, aren't you asked to defend your position on things in your fancy schools?
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Interesting that each thread welcomes both cons and pros about Hyde, but this thread is asking for only pro's. Better than starting a "pro Hyde" thread, why don't you start your own website like Hyde has where you can lie about how wonderful Hyde school is?
Hyde is a dangerous place both psychologically and physically and it is just a matter of time until the entire truth comes out about the sick staff that work there. They are mostly mentally ill people who don't know how to function in the real world outside of Hyde. The ones who are mentally stable get the hell out of Hyde within a year or two!
I strongly urge the sincere parents who are looking for a good school to choose somewhere other than Hyde. There are plenty of good ones out there if you look hard enough.
All the negative that has been said about Joe Gauld, (the founder of the school) is true. He believes he is a prophet sent by G-d! Don't throw away your money on Hyde. If you want a place run by someone like Joe Gauld just search through the internet for Cults. Cults mostly take donations rather than tuition plus mandatory donations.
It is interesting. It's also interesting how similar the three word phrases in support of Hyde are. Makes ya wonder why. I also wonder why they never seem to be able to carry on an actual discussion about Hyde. If you people are going to come on here in support Hyde, be prepared to defend your position, otherwise you just look juvenile and foolish. Christ, you guys are always going on about you higher education, aren't you asked to defend your position on things in your fancy schools?
Huh??? Put down the pipe and clear your head...
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Huh??? Put down the pipe and clear your head...
Why thank you darlin'!! Thank you very much. You've just proven my point.......again............beyond any shadow of a doubt. ::nod:: :rofl:
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In earlier posts, you talk of smoking weed and partying (you pirate, you)... I'm not sure what you are saying here has any point that I or anyone else with a clear head can ascertain. I'm asking you to try and be a little more clear in your points, which might not be reasonable to hope for, given your drug-addled brain. Hope I didn't offend you with the truth...
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Honey, you couldn't offend me if you tried and you certainly are trying ::bwahaha:: .
You're going to dismiss anything I say and dodge any honest questions that have been asked because I've been known to smoke on occasion? Umm, ok. Again showing your mindset. You seem to think you're helping your cause with all the insults. You're not. I've asked you to defend you position and assertation that Hyde is a great school. I've asked you to explain how the "character education" aspect of the school works. Those are very specific, pointed questions that most adults can manage at least some semblence of an answer to.
Wanna try again?
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Honey, you couldn't offend me if you tried and you certainly are trying ::bwahaha:: .
You're going to dismiss anything I say and dodge any honest questions that have been asked because I've been known to smoke on occasion? Umm, ok. Again showing your mindset. You seem to think you're helping your cause with all the insults. You're not. I've asked you to defend you position and assertation that Hyde is a great school. I've asked you to explain how the "character education" aspect of the school works. Those are very specific, pointed questions that most adults can manage at least some semblence of an answer to.
Wanna try again?
Nope.You're still not making any sense here. But your little smilies sure are cute and sophisticated...
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Glad you like them. What's confusing you here Hon? How can I help? Here are the two questions again. Which part is giving you trouble?
1. What is it specifically that makes Hyde so great?
2. Please explain the "character education" aspect of Hyde.
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There is no "character education" at Hyde. It is called Mind Control. Hyde is a very strange place with strange things happening on campus. When you are a desperate parent with no where to turn, Hyde sometimes seems like a good solution. Problem is that once you invest $40,000 it is hard to just walk away from it, so we stayed. Then our child made lots of friends which made it harder to leave. We already subjected our son to leaving all his friends and family by enrolling him at Hyde, he finally gets adjusted to living away from home and being with friends, and then take him out? It is very hard to do to him and maybe we should have had the courage to do this, but we made a mistake. A huge mistake.
You would laugh if you saw the makeup of the staff at Hyde. You have your "lifers" which are the extended Gauld family and then a few people who will never leave because they are too comfortable being taken care of with housing, food, etc. Hyde has become their life and they are not capable of existing outside of Hyde, which is why we call them "lifers."
Then there are the young former students who don't know where else to turn either after college or the ones who never go to college. These kids enjoy the fact that they have parents and students under their control. They are lost themselves or would not have returned to Hyde. They start believing that they are smarter and wiser than you or I. They either love the power and stay for a few years, or they hate what they are doing to these kids and they leave after the first year.
Take a look at all the "lifers." The men seem to be in pretty decent shape physically, but the women are all fat and tired looking. It is strange. The unhappiness permeats the air and yet they continue to fool themselves into believing they are doing this magnificent thing for the world. Joe Gauld believes he can change the world. I don't know what will happen to that school when he dies. They will need another prophet.
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http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... ews02.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/1994/12/news02.html)
HYDE SCHOOL: CHARACTER FIRST
Bath, Maine
Jeff Burroughs, Admissions Director
207-443-5584
by: Anne Lewis
(Anne Lewis is an Educational Consultant living in
Santa Barbara, CA 805-969-2186)
Attention to character formation on a school-wide basis set the tone for my Hyde School visit. My guide, Mary, a former Hyde student currently enrolled at Roanoke College, gave me a firm hand shake, looked me in the eye, and explained that she was back as an intern for Hyde's summer program.
On campus I saw quiet students on work crews. Mary explained this was not a typical day. It followed a "school bust", a school-wide accounting of student transgressions, or as founder Malcolm Gould phrased it, "Draino for the Hyde Soul."
The purifying started the preceding morning when all 130 students filed into the school's modern, light-filled union and sat in chairs to the right of the center aisle. (Fall enrollment was estimated to be 210 residents and 15 day students.) Kids were asked to reflect upon their past week's behavior. In their own estimation, students who fell short of Hyde's standards of conduct moved from the chairs on the right side of the room to chairs on the left. One by one almost every student moved from the right to the left.
No wonder. Hyde School standards are comprehensive and tough to sustain: Courage, Integrity, Leadership, Curiosity, Concern, and Brother's Keeper.
Being your brother's keeper causes the most turmoil. A person's own behavior may be in line with the School's standards, but that isn't enough. If a student is aware of a classmate's failure to live up to the school's commitment to community living, it is the obligation of the student to be his brother's keeper.
Here's how it works: As his brother's keeper, the student says: "You're not living up to your best and you're keeping the whole school from doing the same. You need to turn yourself in. You are holding yourself back and the school back."
If the transgressing student refuses, his brother's keeper acts in the best welfare of his peer and turns him or her in. Beyond the Hyde campus this is commonly known as ratting on friends. Hyde calls it being accountable for yourself and requiring others to do the same.
After a school bust work crews form. The ones I saw had been working since 5:30 that morning. Kids clean the kitchen, dorms, mansion, gym, yard. "Everything." Students literally work their way back into the good graces of the school. They stop only for meals. According to Mary, "Conversation centers on how to deal with the situation in a positive way and issues which initially got students on the crew."
Mary continued, "Students are expected to push themselves toward a more ethical plane of living. When they've acknowledged their transgressions and are honest with themselves and others, they're welcomed back into the heart of the Hyde community. "We're glad you're back and hope you learned something."
As Mary and I walked through the gracious Hyde mansion which has been converted to classrooms and offices, in every direction there were signs of Hyde's positive and productive student life. Schedules for hiking, boating, and camping trips, committee assignments, and meetings of students and faculty members crammed the hallway bulletin boards.
I was struck by this poem composed by a student who posted it in the Dean's area:
An attitude is a habit.
A bad attitude is a bad habit.
It takes a long time to change a bad habit.
So why not start now?
The campus tour was highlighted by three new buildings: the student union, dining hall and gymnasium, all tangible results of the commitment of Hyde parents and faculty to the school's mission. More than $200,000 per year beyond tuition costs is contributed to the School by Hyde families and its community of teachers and staff. Jeff Burroughs, Admissions Director, told me that creating a caring community which holds the members to a high standard of living generates this kind of commitment.
He added that the desire to give generously to the school seems disproportionately high from families of runaways. A high correlation has been shown between alum giving and having had a child run away and return to the school. According to Jeff, the parents make a deep commitment when this happens, "When you face the wall, you come to a decision. Hyde School is a time bomb."
The new student union contains a modern, sunfilled auditorium, tiered seating for daily all-school meetings, and state of the art audio and video equipment for school performances. It's large enough to accommodate Hyde families and faculty for the school's annual spring theatrical performance. According to Mary, many of the parents never expected to see their sons or daughters get on the stage and successfully address an audience, to say nothing of an audience of their peers and parents. Very few eyes stay dry through the Hyde school parent performances. "
This is where each person in the Hyde community sings a solo each year." Mary pointed to the stage area and continued, "No one laughs at any attempt. You are held to your best and you can't cheese out with something like Jingle Bells. After each song, everyone cheers with enthusiasm."
It was a short walk to the new dining room with floor to ceiling windows which frame the school's rolling lawn. The dining room is big enough for the entire student body to eat together without being crowded, and yet it exudes warmth with its round oak tables, round-backed oak chairs, massive stone fireplace, and embracing but formidable beams.
The gym houses two splendid basketball courts with floors worthy of an NCAA game, a large fully equipped wrestling room, and special areas for weight lifting and exercising.
Mary told me everyone must play a sport at Hyde, even though "a lot of the kids who enroll at Hyde aren't very athletic when they start. In the beginning the sport is presented as just being fun. Then, when expectations rise, the faculty counters the students' doubt in themselves with 'You are capable.' Most of the students are surprised at what they can do. Effort, not ability, is rewarded."
An ecumenical spiritual center, a small rounded building designed for prayer and meditation had just been completed. Inside, instead of a specific symbol for any religion, a beautiful stone which can fit into any student's belief system was chosen.
We passed a small and attractive mail building. I asked Mary if it were separate from the other buildings so that incoming mail could be examined before the students received it. "We don't go through the kid's stuff. The school is built on trust. We trust until we have a reason not to. If friends send up drugs, the student is expected to turn them in. If he keeps them, that will hold him back from doing his best. Kids proctor each other."
In my conversation with Jeff Burroughs, he stressed the difference between Hyde's approach to evidence that kids are using drugs and the more traditional boarding school approach. "Generally, schools wait until there is evidence and then the kids are thrown out. At Hyde, we go after them. We go after the attitude. We are coaches."
When I started to compare Hyde to the emotional growth schools I know in the West, Jeff jumped in immediately, "We're not an emotional growth school. Hyde is a college prep school for kids who are having problems." And as Mary quipped, "I've never known a kid who didn't have some problems."
Jeff said, "Most of the kids are 14, 15, or 16 when they come to Hyde. They've had some problems, but most stayed at home and in school until around ninth grade. Then things fell apart. The Hyde program has no set length, but most students are at Hyde about 1 1/2 years."
I asked Jeff if he had any advice for families based on what he has heard in the Hyde admissions process. He answered, "Kids want structure and they want attention. In a way being a kid is a curse. Kids are born into a situation where they get. Kids must earn what they get. Especially when they are 12 or 13. They must give back to their families.
"We think we have the way to educate kids. At the end of the admissions interview we say, "Your parents are paying $15,000 and making a time commitment for you to be at Hyde. You'll have a roof over your head, classes and counseling. What is your commitment?"
"They need to give back to their families and to Hyde School."
When I got up to leave, Jeff walked me to the door and said, "Hyde School is a community. It's not a boarding school. It's a way of life."
It's a way of life that puts Character First.
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Ms. Lewis was shown a Potemkin village version of work crew. The real thing involved someone being forced to spend a month or so digging his own grave and filling it back in again repeatedly. Or if the ground was too frozen for that, carrying great big logs back and forth between two piles.
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Ms. Lewis was shown a Potemkin village version of work crew. The real thing involved someone being forced to spend a month or so digging his own grave and filling it back in again repeatedly. Or if the ground was too frozen for that, carrying great big logs back and forth between two piles.
It was bigger than a grave Tom. 6x6x6 666: a coincidence? Perhaps Satan is at work!
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I am somewhat new to this board and I have don't understand how Hyde School can be this bad yet still be in operation. I have been investigating different boarding schools for my daughter. Glad I found this site. Can anyone guide me to a site that will give honest, realistic advice about which boarding schools are good vs bad?
Thank you and good luck to all of you
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I am somewhat new to this board and I have don't understand how Hyde School can be this bad yet still be in operation. I have been investigating different boarding schools for my daughter. Glad I found this site. Can anyone guide me to a site that will give honest, realistic advice about which boarding schools are good vs bad?
Thank you and good luck to all of you
You're very fortunate to have found this site before enrolling your child at Hyde. We withdrew our child once we realized there were so many problems there. Sure, some parents like the very controlling environment where they require the family to participate in group-therapy like sessions that are run by faculty. Some parents like being told how to live their lives. It took us about 3 months to figure out that there are lots of very troubled people at Hyde.
Your best bet is to find an ethical, professional, competent educational consultant who really knows these schools. The best educ consultants spend lots of time traveling to schools, interviewing staff, and digging beneath the surface. Many educ consultants we've met refuse to refer families to Hyde; now our family understands why. I'd steer clear of any educ consultant who recommends Hyde; that's a very bad sign.
There are many terrific schools out there. I hope you find one that's a good fit for you.
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I just spent some time looking through the entire Hyde staff directory. I can't believe the amount of turnover they've had during the past couple of years. The lack of staff continuity is unbelievable. What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable? Do you think the average parent realizes how "green" so many of the staff are and how short their stay is at Hyde? Some people are Hyde lifers, but take a close look at the quality of their personal lives. No wonder they stay at Hyde.
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I just spent some time looking through the entire Hyde staff directory. I can't believe the amount of turnover they've had during the past couple of years. The lack of staff continuity is unbelievable. What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable? Do you think the average parent realizes how "green" so many of the staff are and how short their stay is at Hyde? Some people are Hyde lifers, but take a close look at the quality of their personal lives. No wonder they stay at Hyde.
Rather than just speak in generalities, can you specifically share your own specific observations or experiences? Werre you a student, parent or teacher at Hyde?
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back on topic, i was a student at hyde, i graduated in 2005,
and i can honestly sayt that if i hadn't gone to hyde tehy i would either be living on the streets or dead. and that is not a lie. if you saw me at the school you would never have thought that because i was very good there but that is the truth.
Nic
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
Tim Leary had a PHD. Tune in. Turn on. Drop out.
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If you drop out, you don't get your tuition refunded.
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If you drop out, you don't get your tuition refunded.
But you do get to come to Fornits and whine to everyone how bad Hyde is and how it's THEIR fault your life is such a mess. Certainly not your own or your parents for having you in the first place...
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If you drop out, you don't get your tuition refunded.
But you do get to come to Fornits and whine to everyone how bad Hyde is and how it's THEIR fault your life is such a mess. Certainly not your own or your parents for having you in the first place...
Why is it that you have a problem with people lodging complaints against Hyde? I didn't see people saying their lives were a mess or blaming Hyde for anything other than not delivering what was promised and not protecting kids from creepy pedos.
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Hyde is a great place
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Hyde is a great place
...for people who believe the ends can justify the means...
MR2X
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
I too am reassured to know about this board. It's very helpful to read the comments of other parents whose Hyde experiences matched my own in that they were very terribly painful and harmful. Some of my worst experiences at Hyde were in seminars and FLC's. Although some of the discussions were useful, I can't help but remember a number of horrific incidents where staff and other parents (especially alumni parents) berated both students and their parents for not "digging deep enough," and not exposing their personal secrets and dirty laundry. Several times I saw students and parents fall apart in those meetings. I even heard a couple of the participants talk about suicide because of their despair. What worries me the most about Hyde is that many of the staff and alumni parents act like therapists when they clearly don't have a clue about what good therapy is all about. Some of what happens in those seminars and FLC's is sadistic and incredibly amateurish, yet it's done in the name of Hyde's peculiar and mean-spirited form of character education. I know of many parents who felt duped by Hyde; they discovered too late in the game what the school is about. For financial reasons these parents felt obligated to finish out the year and then quickly look for healthier schools.
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
I too am reassured to know about this board. It's very helpful to read the comments of other parents whose Hyde experiences matched my own in that they were very terribly painful and harmful. Some of my worst experiences at Hyde were in seminars and FLC's. Although some of the discussions were useful, I can't help but remember a number of horrific incidents where staff and other parents (especially alumni parents) berated both students and their parents for not "digging deep enough," and not exposing their personal secrets and dirty laundry. Several times I saw students and parents fall apart in those meetings. I even heard a couple of the participants talk about suicide because of their despair. What worries me the most about Hyde is that many of the staff and alumni parents act like therapists when they clearly don't have a clue about what good therapy is all about. Some of what happens in those seminars and FLC's is sadistic and incredibly amateurish, yet it's done in the name of Hyde's peculiar and mean-spirited form of character education. I know of many parents who felt duped by Hyde; they discovered too late in the game what the school is about. For financial reasons these parents felt obligated to finish out the year and then quickly look for healthier schools.
I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
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I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
You're not boring us at all. Thanks for telling us what you went through. Most parents buy into it and sign their kids up for a year or two of it but the kids get a much more intensive, dangerous version obviously. The philosophy behind virtually every one of these places is to break them down and then build them up. Very dangerous territory indeed, especially when applied to developing children.
I'm assuming you either chose not to send your child or pulled them immediately following this experience?
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I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
You're not boring us at all. Thanks for telling us what you went through. Most parents buy into it and sign their kids up for a year or two of it but the kids get a much more intensive, dangerous version obviously. The philosophy behind virtually every one of these places is to break them down and then build them up. Very dangerous territory indeed, especially when applied to developing children.
I'm assuming you either chose not to send your child or pulled them immediately following this experience?
I seem to recall, perhaps incorrectly, Joe Gauld making reference to just such a phrase in school meeting: "...break them down and then build them up..." (in discussing "character" development).
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I seem to recall, perhaps incorrectly, Joe Gauld making reference to just such a phrase in school meeting: "...break them down and then build them up..." (in discussing "character" development).
Yeah, most of these places work on basically the same principle. It began a few decades back with Synanon, then the Seed and Straight. Now it continues in places like Hyde, Carlbrook, HIdden Lake Academy (although it's on it's last legs thanks in no small part to a few dedicated people here and pissed off parents), CEDU (although some have closed, others opened under new names). The whole industry is pretty sick.
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I came to Hyde thirty years ago fresh out of a situation of severe child abuse and neglect. I did not know that at the time, and so I never raised the issue at Hyde. (Needless to say, neither did my parents.) That may sound silly, not knowing I was abused: arbitrary violence, punishment, and humiliation are straightforward. But the fact is I was unable to recognize the abuse I had been steeped in until I was completely free of my home environment. Marriage and involvement with other families may have given me the necessary perspective.
My point is: for whatever reason, I could not recognize my trauma, and so it was not dealt with. In all fairness, Hyde staff were not professionally trained to recognize symptoms of child abuse and thus enabled to bring me to my current level of awareness. I regret that I did not undergo proper therapy together with my parents during the years I was away at Hyde. It might have spared me the subsequent decline not only in my mental health but also in my relations with my parents.
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I came to Hyde thirty years ago fresh out of a situation of severe child abuse and neglect. I did not know that at the time, and so I never raised the issue at Hyde. (Needless to say, neither did my parents.) That may sound silly, not knowing I was abused: arbitrary violence, punishment, and humiliation are straightforward. But the fact is I was unable to recognize the abuse I had been steeped in until I was completely free of my home environment. Marriage and involvement with other families may have given me the necessary perspective.
My point is: for whatever reason, I could not recognize my trauma, and so it was not dealt with. In all fairness, Hyde staff were not professionally trained to recognize symptoms of child abuse and thus enabled to bring me to my current level of awareness. I regret that I did not undergo proper therapy together with my parents during the years I was away at Hyde. It might have spared me the subsequent decline not only in my mental health but also in my relations with my parents.
I also came from an abusive home situation. And I think my consequent mindset primed me to accept as "normal" the humiliation, degradation, and cruelty that I later experienced at Hyde.
However, regardless of what I feel about how my parents treated me, I do also believe that they did love me. They probably felt that they were doing their best, compared to how they were brought up.
Not so with Hyde! It is not exactly a loving and healing place! It has taken me decades to come to terms with that, and perhaps, on some level, I may never fully get over the capricious viciousness that was sometimes doled out.
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I wrote the post about child abuse to which you responded. For reference, I'll identify myself as Mike.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that child abuse was status quo at Hyde. There were abusers and there were nonabusers. The former I shunned and the latter, teachers like Bud Warren, Sumner Hawley, and Ed Legg, I respected. I guess this distinction was the beginning of my education in child abuse, when I first realized there existed an alternative to it.
Like you, I witnessed my share of child abuse at Hyde, and determined early on not to be a victim of it. No doubt, this strongly conditioned my behavior in ways that did not serve Hyde's objectives. For me, it meant avoiding certain staff members and resisting situations of vulnerability.
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I wrote the post about child abuse to which you responded. For reference, I'll identify myself as Mike.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that child abuse was status quo at Hyde. There were abusers and there were nonabusers. The former I shunned and the latter, teachers like Bud Warren, Sumner Hawley, and Ed Legg, I respected. I guess this distinction was the beginning of my education in child abuse, when I first realized there existed an alternative to it.
Like you, I witnessed my share of child abuse at Hyde, and determined early on not to be a victim of it. No doubt, this strongly conditioned my behavior in ways that did not serve Hyde's objectives. For me, it meant avoiding certain staff members and resisting situations of vulnerability.
Mike,
Do you remember how odd hyde was back then? Do you remember the "Book"? Do you remember "National Commitment?"
I remember that the "Book" was going to change America.
emil nightrate
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I wrote the post about child abuse to which you responded. For reference, I'll identify myself as Mike.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that child abuse was status quo at Hyde. There were abusers and there were nonabusers. The former I shunned and the latter, teachers like Bud Warren, Sumner Hawley, and Ed Legg, I respected. I guess this distinction was the beginning of my education in child abuse, when I first realized there existed an alternative to it.
Like you, I witnessed my share of child abuse at Hyde, and determined early on not to be a victim of it. No doubt, this strongly conditioned my behavior in ways that did not serve Hyde's objectives. For me, it meant avoiding certain staff members and resisting situations of vulnerability.
Of the three former staff members you mention, only Bud Warren still has my respect. I did appreciate Sumner's intellect, and he did have a certain sympathy for the underdog, however effete, but he was not someone you could depend on to be good to his word. Perhaps I am too harsh on him; I think he was a bit of a closeted fellow, so to speak, and only his age and academic credentials, not to mention his longstanding friendship with Joe (?), bought him a certain unassailability from close scrutiny. Ed Legg was one cold fish in my book. Remorseless, relentless. And really obsessed with prurient sins. I am not gay, but I can remember thinking -- during the countless school meetings where he pontificated at length about this subject -- that surely there were greater so-called evils to be concerned about. I can't remember whether he used the word "abomination" or not, but his message was certainly in keeping with that. I do remember him saying homosexuality was "unnatural" and indicative that of not dealing honestly with one's self, and some things far more extreme that I should probably not put into print.
Of abuse at Hyde, I think verbal and psychological abuse were most sanctioned and condoned -- all in the name of the cause. However, there were also instances of sports injuries and work crew injuries which were not taken seriously or attended to (character development, hah!), as well as sexual infractions alluded to and discussed elsewhere in this forum. And I think this does happen when people hold themselves above judgement and standards of the norm. Moreover, there were many personal axe grinders...
What was so insidious and so debilitating in the long run, was the accompanying caveat that if you did not make it at Hyde, you would never make it anywhere. How many suicides and attempts at such is this caveat responsible for? I can remember one former student calling up during study hall on the verge of doing it (his mother could not afford to send him anymore, and the school was unenthusiastic about his return, probably as a result), and he was distraught and filled with impending doom over this judgement that he did not have enough "commitment"... No one ever brought up the fact that this was an inner city kid, single mom (?), probably got a local scholarship for the first year but there was no more where that come from, and that there was a cultural and economic disconnect that was in no small part at the heart of the school vs. parent impasse. Nothing to do with the kid's so called committment (but then, in a strange twist on convention, we kids were often blamed for our parents' alleged shortcomings). ...The study hall proctor took the call and, not knowing what to do, passed the phone around to the rest of us (students) who happened to be standing there, and some of us tried to talk to him... The guy was crying. I wish I knew what happened to him. I think his name was Daryl.
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Mike,
Do you remember how odd hyde was back then? Do you remember the "Book"? Do you remember "National Commitment?"
I remember that the "Book" was going to change America.
emil nightrate
Yo, Amyl, I remember the book and how it was going to change America (was it America? or was it the world?). I wrote my heart out, but somehow I don't think my material was good enough... Whatever happened to all those confessions? I don't remember signing any release forms.
MR2X[/quote]
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Mike,
Do you remember how odd hyde was back then? Do you remember the "Book"? Do you remember "National Commitment?"
I remember that the "Book" was going to change America.
emil nightrate
Yo, Amyl, I remember the book and how it was going to change America (was it America? or was it the world?). I wrote my heart out, but somehow I don't think my material was good enough... Whatever happened to all those confessions? I don't remember signing any release forms.
MR2X
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There were no release forms. If Joe wanted your story he took it. IF you told him that he could not use it you were gone. Lack of committment to National Committment. A whole bunch of kids disappeared after a parent weekend one spring because the Dad did not want the stories published. I never read either of the Gauld books so I don't know if any of those stories were in them. The whole thing in retrospect seems so bizarre, like jonestown without the kool-aide.
Emil Nightrate
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This just sounds SO coersive, not to mention illlegal...
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ULP! OOPS!!
:oops: :oops:
"...COERCIVE!"
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Ed Legg was one cold fish in my book. Remorseless, relentless. And really obsessed with prurient sins. I am not gay, but I can remember thinking -- during the countless school meetings where he pontificated at length about this subject -- that surely there were greater so-called evils to be concerned about. I can't remember whether he used the word "abomination" or not, but his message was certainly in keeping with that. I do remember him saying homosexuality was "unnatural" and indicative that of not dealing honestly with one's self, and some things far more extreme that I should probably not put into print.
Funny, I don't remember the anti Gay rants from Ed. I remember it from Joe. I can vaguely remember him reading a story from a student about how they rejected gayness though charater growth.
I can remember a sermon from Ed on bob dylan. Ed felt that when dylan went electric he turned his back on comittment to social change and became self indulgent.. "And that is what is wrong with some of you ........." I always thought Ed was full of shit. Songs like Subtreanian Homesick Blues and Maggies Farm were hard hitting social commentatry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home)
I must say I was pleased when I heard the hard code cover of Maggie's Farm by Rage Against the Machine coming from my son's room. I knew I had raised him right.
Emil Nightrate
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Ed Legg was one cold fish in my book. Remorseless, relentless. And really obsessed with prurient sins. I am not gay, but I can remember thinking -- during the countless school meetings where he pontificated at length about this subject -- that surely there were greater so-called evils to be concerned about. I can't remember whether he used the word "abomination" or not, but his message was certainly in keeping with that. I do remember him saying homosexuality was "unnatural" and indicative that of not dealing honestly with one's self, and some things far more extreme that I should probably not put into print.
Funny, I don't remember the anti Gay rants from Ed. I remember it from Joe. I can vaguely remember him reading a story from a student about how they rejected gayness though charater growth.
I can remember a sermon from Ed on bob dylan. Ed felt that when dylan went electric he turned his back on comittment to social change and became self indulgent.. "And that is what is wrong with some of you ........." I always thought Ed was full of shit. Songs like Subtreanian Homesick Blues and Maggies Farm were hard hitting social commentatry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_It_All_Back_Home)
I must say I was pleased when I heard the hard code cover of Maggie's Farm by Rage Against the Machine coming from my son's room. I knew I had raised him right.
Emil Nightrate
:tup: :tup: for Maggie's Farm!
Have to stick to my contention, however, re. Ed's rants against "unnatural acts"... No mistaking his drawl in my memory! ::soapbox::
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What really amazes me is how the school hires all these young faculty who quickly end up leading FLCs and other group discussions that are like therapy sessions. How can this school justify putting these novices into those situations, especially when parents and students end up talking about the most amazingly sensitive family stuff imaginable?
The key here being "like" therapy sessions. A conversation with a friend can be "like" a therapy session, but there are differences. Sometimes thoses conversations can get out of control and that's when they have to be directed elsewhere or outside professional help suggested. I've been through a couple of FLCs and while they sometimes went into very deep, personal issues, those discussions were entered into voluntarily and were appropriately guided by the facilitator. I can't say that I experienced "traumatic" situations as some have alluded to, but I'm not discounting the experiences of others.
I did not disclose my personal issues voluntarily. I am not disputing what your experience was, but I did many more FLC's then the "couple" of ones you say you did. My experience in those FLC's, was that the parents and kids were very much pressured into opening up even when they didn't want to. The other students and parents in the FLC's along with the facilitator sometimes would belittle a person in order to get them to spill their guts. One time a woman stood up for the allowed time and didn't want to say anything. She was obviously very troubled about something in her life. The facilitator humiliated this woman in front of everyone until she ended up crying. This was a great feat in the facilitators cap. You could tell she was very proud of herself when she broke this woman down. The woman still would not divulge the family secret she had inside of her. The facilitator badgered and badgered her the entire weekend. I understand she pulled her child out of Hyde shortly after.
This to me is not a sufficient way of helping a person deal with their issues. What kind of training and education do these former students and parents have when they take on the role to facilitate a group session? Do they know what to do in an emergency situation? To me this seems like very dangerous territory.
I am glad that you did not experience "traumatic" results. You are of the lucky ones. I don't want to be "lucky" with my child. I want to know he is getting the best care possible when I pay $35,000++ to get him a "character education."
I personally think these people at Hyde are the ones who need the group sessions with a good therapist because they seem to be nuts! They are stuck in a place for many years where they don't grow and yet they are trying to dispense therapy??? This seems crazy.
Ditto! I couldn't have said it better myself! I felt that Hyde was a toxic place. I observed the same negativity at Hyde that others are talking about on this board.
Thx to whoever started this board.
I too am reassured to know about this board. It's very helpful to read the comments of other parents whose Hyde experiences matched my own in that they were very terribly painful and harmful. Some of my worst experiences at Hyde were in seminars and FLC's. Although some of the discussions were useful, I can't help but remember a number of horrific incidents where staff and other parents (especially alumni parents) berated both students and their parents for not "digging deep enough," and not exposing their personal secrets and dirty laundry. Several times I saw students and parents fall apart in those meetings. I even heard a couple of the participants talk about suicide because of their despair. What worries me the most about Hyde is that many of the staff and alumni parents act like therapists when they clearly don't have a clue about what good therapy is all about. Some of what happens in those seminars and FLC's is sadistic and incredibly amateurish, yet it's done in the name of Hyde's peculiar and mean-spirited form of character education. I know of many parents who felt duped by Hyde; they discovered too late in the game what the school is about. For financial reasons these parents felt obligated to finish out the year and then quickly look for healthier schools.
I am a parent who had a very bad experience at Hyde Schools. I hope that by telling my story I can save someone else from the pain and anguish I went through.
While attending a Family Weekend on campus with my wife, I participated in seminars run by the same unqualified, uneducated facilitators that people are speaking about on this site.
I have had some trauma in my life that I seldom talk about as it is too painful. I have tried to deal with this trauma with a psychologist in my local town, but will probably never fully get over the effects.
My belief is that Hyde thinks they can help everyone in every situation, but this is dangerous territory. In my case when they pushed hard enough and bullied me for two days straight I finally broke down. Hyde might think this was therapeutic for me, but Hyde did not have a professional on staff to help me with the outcome of discussing my trauma. I went into a place that I still cannot describe. I was told by my Psychologist that this was a mental breakdown. I drove home from Hyde with my wife only knowing that I was not coping with life. All of a sudden I was in another place at another time and barely understood who I was.
I feel that Hyde's arrogance of believing they know it all and have all the answers is seriously flawed. This "one size fits all" attitude of Hyde is dangerous as was in my case. I am ok now, but how many others have been temporarily or permanentaly harmed?
Sorry to bore you all with this but I feel my story is worth telling even if it only helps one person.
I don't think you are boring anyone, and there's no need for you to apologize. In fact, I find your comments moving and inspiring, although they're quite an indictment of the sorry state of affairs at Hyde. Your words have been echoing in my head, mostly because they mirror what I've observed at Hyde. In far too many instances I've seen vulnerable parents and students pushed to edge by Hyde's draconian tactics, harsh demands, and arrogant protocol. Too many Hyde staff seem to believe that they have the right to dump on parents and students, challenge them mercilessly, and push them beyond the brink. This is done in the name of character education, and it's engaged in by too many staff who seem to have virtually no particular training or skill to deal with the complex emotional and psychiatric issues that emerge during seminars. In my opinion this is cruel and harmful. Your story is only one of a number that I've heard describing similar horrific details.
I'm very sorry you had to endure Hyde's abuse and negligence. You should be pleased to know, however, that your words are likely to influence others in a significant way. These anecdotes need to be read by parents who are considering sending their children to Hyde.
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You made the comment that Hyde's tactics are under the guize of "Character Education." I agree with this to a certain extent, but I also saw several members of the Hyde staff who had a sick fixation for humiliating and berating parents and students.
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Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
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Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
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Yes, Larry and his wife, Connie, believed in being civilized... Anyone remember Richard Klein? I think that was his name... He married his sweetheart, Ellen, and I heard they left shortly after that... some disagreement with the school over extreme philosophies, I was told; perhaps just a difference of opinion...
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Yes, Larry and his wife, Connie, believed in being civilized... Anyone remember Richard Klein? I think that was his name... He married his sweetheart, Ellen, and I heard they left shortly after that... some disagreement with the school over extreme philosophies, I was told; perhaps just a difference of opinion...
He could drive a school bus. Ellen sent a boy off to the mens room so the biology class could look at sperm on a slide. I made her laugh by defining asexual reproduction as "like sexual reproduction except not as much fun" on an exam. She did mark it as in correct.
Emil
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Yes, Larry and his wife, Connie, believed in being civilized... Anyone remember Richard Klein? I think that was his name... He married his sweetheart, Ellen, and I heard they left shortly after that... some disagreement with the school over extreme philosophies, I was told; perhaps just a difference of opinion...
He could drive a school bus. Ellen sent a boy off to the mens room so the biology class could look at sperm on a slide. I made her laugh by defining asexual reproduction as "like sexual reproduction except not as much fun" on an exam. She did mark it as in correct.
Emil
:rofl: That would be her sense of humor! [Something the school seems to lack in the long run big time!]
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Dick and Ellen Klain...
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Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
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Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
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WithOUT Joe, the school is less than mediocre. Why on earth would you go there?
WITH Joe, it at least has some entertainment value (assuming you don't take it too seriously, and don't sit in the front row).
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which program to send their son to
Eenie meeney miney mo.
Which abuse pit? They don't know.
That's because their minds are slow.
Are they sane? Survey says no.
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Emil Nightrate,
With a name like that, we must have been friends. I remember that "The Book" was Joe Gauld's baby and "America's Spirit" was Ed Legg's creation, joint with Sumner Hawley and Bud Warren, which they then took on the road. Those were obviously more hopeful times.
This division of Joe Gauld on the one hand and Legg, Hawley, and Warren on the other exactly coincides with the one I mentioned earlier between abuser and nonabuser. To the other poster who mentioned that psychological and verbal abuse were condoned, I can testify that I saw not three feet from where I was standing Joe Gauld smack around a girl hard enough to send her glasses flying to the other end of the corridor, and then chase her, screaming and crying, out of the Student Union to some unspecified punishment, because he didn't like the way she had returned his greeting! Hyde lost me then. I determined to stay out of trouble, but at the same time to shut my heart against the faculty and student leadership. For two years and a summer I held myself severely aloof from all but the three faculty members I mentioned.
Warren, Legg, and others quit as a result of disagreements that arose with Joe Gauld during my time at Hyde and shortly thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, Gauld purged Hyde of its better, more humane element, who I suspect called his abusiveness into question. And look who Gauld then gathered around him and elevated to headmaster: other abusers, Ken Grant and Paul Hurd. Under such a succession, is it any wonder that the ideals of the seventies -- "The Book," "America's Spirit," "character education," and educational reform -- are ancient history?
I have heard those stories. I never saw physical abuse. I saw verbal abuse, I recall Joe screaming at and spitting on the student body. I never sat in the first row, so I did not get wet.
It is very disappointing that there is no connection between the present incarnation of Hyde and the more humane element from the early days. They were all purged when Joe came back. Larry Pray , who was actually an ordained minister, was a real bright spot in contrast to folks that seemed to have a prediliction to drive an index finger into your collar bone or delight in being the task master of the redundent movement of wood. His brother Doug is making movies.
Joe's mecurial temper reminded me of my father's. Having been abused as a child, I had no desire to repeat the experiance as a teenager so a steered a wide course around Joe. Joe is a problematic figure. Hyde was his baby. Hyde foundered without him, yet he seems to keep planting his foot foursquare in the dog shit. He is screaming at people in DC, he is locking horns with parents that end up taking the school to court ....
Emil Nightrate
Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.[/quote]
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.[/quote]
Don't know if it is true, but I heard the family refused any part of a gag order.
Nahhh, if you look at the names of the board you will see all Joe's good buddies or followers. All of course have money which is why he put them on the board. $$$$$
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The people on the board are all true supporters of Hyde, therefore, true supporters of Gauld. Most with some money, some without, but with a true commitment to the school...that's the way ANY school would select their board...
Your spin doesn't make sense, it looks like you're desperatly grasping for straws!
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The people on the board are all true supporters of Hyde, therefore, true supporters of Gauld. Most with some money, some without, but with a true commitment to the school...that's the way ANY school would select their board...
Your spin doesn't make sense, it looks like you're desperatly grasping for straws!
SO
Hyde = Gauld
So you are saying Hyde is about backhanding little girls that don't say "good morning Mr Gauld" the way you like? Hey that is were I want to send my girl some where she will be beaten!
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.[/quote]
Don't know if it is true, but I heard the family refused any part of a gag order.
Nahhh, if you look at the names of the board you will see all Joe's good buddies or followers. All of course have money which is why he put them on the board. $$$$$[/quote]
I'm very impressed with the major impact that this web site and others have had on families considering Hyde. I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. Of course there should be healthy debate between supporters and critics. Clearly, the level of criticism voiced in the public forum is having a significant impact. This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.
Don't know if it is true, but I heard the family refused any part of a gag order.
Nahhh, if you look at the names of the board you will see all Joe's good buddies or followers. All of course have money which is why he put them on the board. $$$$$[/quote]
I'm very impressed with the major impact that this web site and others have had on families considering Hyde. I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. Of course there should be healthy debate between supporters and critics. Clearly, the level of criticism voiced in the public forum is having a significant impact. This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).[/quote]
I'll take my sons morals and values anyday over what they tried to teach him at Hyde. Thanks that I got him out of there he matured on his own and is an outstanding human being without the influence of the slime that works at that school. There are a few wonderful staff members, but they leave pretty fast when they find out the truth about Hyde. The ones who last for years are the true "loosers." Can't exist in normal society so stays in their little Hyde Bubble!!
If I sound bitter or angry it is because I am. Not at Hyde, but at myself for not recognizing the poison on those campuses. I spent much more money on that place then I should have. I only have myself to blame for not seeing things more clearly. I take responsibility for this but am very happy someone has started this board so I can vent.
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.
Don't know if it is true, but I heard the family refused any part of a gag order.
Nahhh, if you look at the names of the board you will see all Joe's good buddies or followers. All of course have money which is why he put them on the board. $$$$$
I'm very impressed with the major impact that this web site and others have had on families considering Hyde. I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. Of course there should be healthy debate between supporters and critics. Clearly, the level of criticism voiced in the public forum is having a significant impact. This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).[/quote]
I'll take my sons morals and values anyday over what they tried to teach him at Hyde. Thanks that I got him out of there he matured on his own and is an outstanding human being without the influence of the slime that works at that school. There are a few wonderful staff members, but they leave pretty fast when they find out the truth about Hyde. The ones who last for years are the true "loosers." Can't exist in normal society so stays in their little Hyde Bubble!!
If I sound bitter or angry it is because I am. Not at Hyde, but at myself for not recognizing the poison on those campuses. I spent much more money on that place then I should have. I only have myself to blame for not seeing things more clearly. I take responsibility for this but am very happy someone has started this board so I can vent.[/quote]
What inappropriate staff behavior did you observe at Hyde? What was your son's experience like with staff? Your experience?
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Your description of Joe is so sad. I guess his true colors haven't faded much, if at all, over the years. It's amazing to me that his rants and abusive behavior continue; actually, I'm more amazed that the powers-that-be at the school (including the board) tolerate his dysfunctional and truly embarrassing behavior. Don't all of them realize how he damages Hyde's already sullied reputation? No wonder Hyde has so many people talking about how bad the school is.
What do you know about parents who are taking Hyde to court? I'm aware of the recent lawsuit, filed in Connecticut and posted on the Internet. I gather this lawsuit was recently settled, which probably means the family has to keep their collective mouths shut (gag order that's probably part of the settlement). What other legal cases against Hyde are out there?
I recently heard about a family who was trying to decide which program to send their son to. Hyde was one of the ones they were considering, but they have decided against it after talking to a couple of parents on this board.
As far as the board keeping Gauld, don't you realize he has put many of his rich followers on the board? Many corporations do this same thing to ensure the CEO can still control everything.
I thought it was the other way around. A rich guy took over the board and put Joe back in. Joe is the tail in this case, the guy that stacked the BoG is the Dog, a Black Dog.
Don't know if it is true, but I heard the family refused any part of a gag order.
Nahhh, if you look at the names of the board you will see all Joe's good buddies or followers. All of course have money which is why he put them on the board. $$$$$
I'm very impressed with the major impact that this web site and others have had on families considering Hyde. I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. Of course there should be healthy debate between supporters and critics. Clearly, the level of criticism voiced in the public forum is having a significant impact. This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).
I'll take my sons morals and values anyday over what they tried to teach him at Hyde. Thanks that I got him out of there he matured on his own and is an outstanding human being without the influence of the slime that works at that school. There are a few wonderful staff members, but they leave pretty fast when they find out the truth about Hyde. The ones who last for years are the true "loosers." Can't exist in normal society so stays in their little Hyde Bubble!!
If I sound bitter or angry it is because I am. Not at Hyde, but at myself for not recognizing the poison on those campuses. I spent much more money on that place then I should have. I only have myself to blame for not seeing things more clearly. I take responsibility for this but am very happy someone has started this board so I can vent.[/quote]
What inappropriate staff behavior did you observe at Hyde? What was your son's experience like with staff? Your experience?[/quote]
What inappropriate staff behavior did you observe at Hyde? What was your son's experience like with staff? Your experience?
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I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. ... This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).
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In the words of a former Hyde headmaster: "The chickens have come home to roost."
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I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. ... This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).
In the words of a former Hyde headmaster: "The chickens have come home to roost."
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I though that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... sp?ID=1302 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1302)
A Joe Fan
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why the link to this right-wing drivel?
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I'm aware of at least a dozen families that were considering Hyde until they begin to hear about and read some of the major concerns expressed by parents of current or former students. ... This is an important way to hold Hyde accountable (just like Hyde preaches accountability to students and parents).
In the words of a former Hyde headmaster: "The chickens have come home to roost."
I though that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re ... sp?ID=1302 (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1302)
A Joe Fan
What rong with the quote thingy?
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why the link to this right-wing drivel?
Because I am a Joe Fan. Not that left wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing Tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that about to a couple of bad weeks on the Interstate system.
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why the link to this right-wing drivel?
Because I am a Joe Fan. Not that left wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing Tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that about to a couple of bad weeks on the Interstate system.
Which is the pot and which is the kettle is a pretty moot point, IMPO; they are both cut of the same cloth regardless of their personal differences. They both subscribe to the ends justifying the means "philosophy." This creates a situation where no one is held accountable for all sorts of personal excess, which can be most damaging to some kids, especially those who were taught to respect their elders and don't have robust self esteem to begin with...
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why the link to this right-wing drivel?
Because I am a Joe Fan. Not that left wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing Tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that about to a couple of bad weeks on the Interstate system.
Which is the pot and which is the kettle is a pretty moot point, IMPO; they are both cut of the same cloth regardless of their personal differences. They both subscribe to the ends justifying the means "philosophy." This creates a situation where no one is held accountable for all sorts of personal excess, which can be most damaging to some kids, especially those who were taught to respect their elders and don't have robust self esteem to begin with...
I agree with your point about the potential damage to Hyde kids who are exposed to the excesses of staff who engage in emotionally abusive behaviors. At Hyde I've seen some of the staff behave very cruelly and inappropriately, with disastrous consequences for those kids whose self-esteem was in the gutter to begin with (or close to it). I'd say the same risks apply to parents who are in rough shape. I've seen alumni parents and some staff go after some parents horribly and aggressively in FLC's. I think it's unconscionable that this is allowed to go on.
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why the link to this right-wing drivel?
Because I am a Joe Fan. Not that left wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing Tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that about to a couple of bad weeks on the Interstate system.
Which is the pot and which is the kettle is a pretty moot point, IMPO; they are both cut of the same cloth regardless of their personal differences. They both subscribe to the ends justifying the means "philosophy." This creates a situation where no one is held accountable for all sorts of personal excess, which can be most damaging to some kids, especially those who were taught to respect their elders and don't have robust self esteem to begin with...
Thanks for that affirmation.
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I thought that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh, Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
I am a Joe Fan. Not that left-wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug-addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that amount to a couple of bad weeks on the interstate system.[/quote]
"The chickens have come home to roost" is a proverb. I consider its circulation a legitimate activity. Why politicize this? Why blame drugs? Either you approve of beating up a child because in your eyes she is "worm meat," or a "smiling zero," or whatever abusive epithet you spit at her, or not. Those former headmasters and staff who couldn't countenance this bailed out. Those who could stayed on board with good old Joe.
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I thought that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh, Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
I am a Joe Fan. Not that left-wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug-addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that amount to a couple of bad weeks on the interstate system.
"The chickens have come home to roost" is a proverb. I consider its circulation a legitimate activity. Why politicize this? Why blame drugs? Either you approve of beating up a child because in your eyes she is "worm meat," or a "smiling zero," or whatever abusive epithet you spit at her, or not. Those former headmasters and staff who couldn't countenance this bailed out. Those who could stayed on board with good old Joe.[/quote]
Hey there is some revisionism here. Joe left first. Ed ran the school into the ground. Joe came back and shit canned everyone because "there sic[was] a cancer on the faculty" Joe saved Hyde. You could argue that it should have been allowed to die, if you like. Joe came from the old old school (remember old school vs new school at Bath?) Capital punishment was an accepted practice into the sixties in primary and secondary schools, even in liberal state like Massachusetts. Joe is just like Konnegurt's Billy Pilgrim. He becomes unstuck in time and slugs a kid. (personally I would like to become unstuck in time and live in a dome with Montana Wildhack)
Do I think it is "right" to hit a kid? No. Do I think it is right to raise a kid in such a way that you think you need to send him/her to a place like hyde? No. You need a licence to drive a car in the US but all you need to become a parent is an erection and a moist vagina. I think some of the parents at Hyde should be in jail thier possesions forfit to pay for the correct socialization of thier offspring.
If you need to resort to violence, you have lost in a karmic sense. Violence never corrects any wrongs it just redistibutes them. I cold cocked a companion after a Greatful Dead show in LA ( lewiston auburn) I though it was better then allowing him to commit suicide by running out in fromt of cars. He was eating these little piece of paper that made him act funny. I would never have knocked him up side the head for having a bad attitude.
Emil Nightrate
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I thought that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh, Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
I am a Joe Fan. Not that left-wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug-addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that amount to a couple of bad weeks on the interstate system.
"The chickens have come home to roost" is a proverb. I consider its circulation a legitimate activity. Why politicize this? Why blame drugs? Either you approve of beating up a child because in your eyes she is "worm meat," or a "smiling zero," or whatever abusive epithet you spit at her, or not. Those former headmasters and staff who couldn't countenance this bailed out. Those who could stayed on board with good old Joe.
Hey there is some revisionism here. Joe left first. Ed ran the school into the ground. Joe came back and shit canned everyone because "there sic[was] a cancer on the faculty" Joe saved Hyde. You could argue that it should have been allowed to die, if you like. Joe came from the old old school (remember old school vs new school at Bath?) Capital punishment was an accepted practice into the sixties in primary and secondary schools, even in liberal state like Massachusetts. Joe is just like Konnegurt's Billy Pilgrim. He becomes unstuck in time and slugs a kid. (personally I would like to become unstuck in time and live in a dome with Montana Wildhack)
Do I think it is "right" to hit a kid? No. Do I think it is right to raise a kid in such a way that you think I want you to send him/her to a place like hyde? No. You need a licence to drive a car in the US but all I want you to become a parent is an erection and a moist vagina. I think some of the parents at Hyde should be in jail thier possesions forfit to pay for the correct socialization of thier offspring.
If I want you to resort to violence, you have lost in a karmic sense. Violence never corrects any wrongs it just redistibutes them. I cold cocked a companion after a Greatful Dead show in LA ( lewiston auburn) I though it was better then allowing him to commit suicide by running out in fromt of cars. He was eating these little piece of paper that made him act funny. I would never have knocked him up side the head for having a bad attitude.
Emil Nightrate[/quote]
capital => corporal
http://www.corpun.com/ (http://www.corpun.com/)
Emil
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I thought that was Malcolm X that said that. Oh, Ed is stealing some more. Sorry.
I am a Joe Fan. Not that left-wing "former headmaster" fan. If more of our drug-addled children felt the sole of old Joe's boot we would be standing tall in Iraq. Instead we are wringing our hands over casualties that amount to a couple of bad weeks on the interstate system.
"The chickens have come home to roost" is a proverb. I consider its circulation a legitimate activity. Why politicize this? Why blame drugs? Either you approve of beating up a child because in your eyes she is "worm meat," or a "smiling zero," or whatever abusive epithet you spit at her, or not. Those former headmasters and staff who couldn't countenance this bailed out. Those who could stayed on board with good old Joe.
Hey there is some revisionism here. Joe left first. Ed ran the school into the ground. Joe came back and shit canned everyone because "there sic[was] a cancer on the faculty" Joe saved Hyde. You could argue that it should have been allowed to die, if you like. Joe came from the old old school (remember old school vs new school at Bath?) Capital punishment was an accepted practice into the sixties in primary and secondary schools, even in liberal state like Massachusetts. Joe is just like Konnegurt's Billy Pilgrim. He becomes unstuck in time and slugs a kid. (personally I would like to become unstuck in time and live in a dome with Montana Wildhack)
Do I think it is "right" to hit a kid? No. Do I think it is right to raise a kid in such a way that you think I want you to send him/her to a place like hyde? No. You need a licence to drive a car in the US but all I want you to become a parent is an erection and a moist vagina. I think some of the parents at Hyde should be in jail thier possesions forfit to pay for the correct socialization of thier offspring.
If I want you to resort to violence, you have lost in a karmic sense. Violence never corrects any wrongs it just redistibutes them. I cold cocked a companion after a Greatful Dead show in LA ( lewiston auburn) I though it was better then allowing him to commit suicide by running out in fromt of cars. He was eating these little piece of paper that made him act funny. I would never have knocked him up side the head for having a bad attitude.
Emil Nightrate
capital => corporal
http://www.corpun.com/ (http://www.corpun.com/)
Emil[/quote]
Man I was having a blood sugar event when I wrote this.
If I want you to resort to violence => If you to resort to violence
you think I want you to send him/her => you think you want to send him/her
I had a candy bar and I feel better now. Those long runs on an empty stomach .... low low blood sugar.
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Wwweeellll..... I'm happy to hear it's not a brain tumor! ::bwahaha2::
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Is it true that Joe had an affair with a student?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a lot of people are mixing their personal allegiances or likes/dislikes with their assessments of whether the school works or not. Although both are inherently part of "your experience", they are indeed two very different things...
Personnel change, headmasters will change... But the core values of the system would be expected to stay, more or less, the same.
It seems to me that a lot of the attraction to Hyde has to do with Joe Gauld. Whether you consider him a maniacal Jim Jones sans the kool aid character, the dedicated saviour of your errant child, or something inbetween, the guy does appear to "have an effect" on those lucky or unlucky enough to encounter him more than casually.
Without Joe, the school seems to have floundered.
This is not a good situation. It would appear that there are critical features lacking in either the school's philosophy or its services (including "academics"). Certainly its system of "checks and balances" is sub par.
Moreover, it is particularly dangerous, from a psychological perspective, to depend on personal emotions and loyalties to ensure that you get a good education! People misunderstand things and misread things all the time, not to mention lie when they are boxed in a corner... and school administrations are no exception, even Hyde (perhaps especially Hyde)...
Any comments, friends? (shred me, please! ::kma:: )
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Personnel change, headmasters will change ... But the core values of the system would be expected to stay, more or less, the same.
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You want to separate the Hyde concept from the Hyde reality? How? Hyde is a real-life application, not a theory.
First, staff and administration must be replaced. In the forty years since its founding Hyde has generated anger and dissatisfaction unusual for any school.
Second, there is an acute need for reform that will enhance the level of academics.
Third, the system of governance of the school and the distribution of authority must also be changed.
Fourth, controls need to be put in place against physical, verbal, and emotional abuse.
Fifth, the social benefit of a Hyde education cannot be assumed.
Finally, as for those "core values," are they better than public education, family, and thereapy (if needed)? It is counterintuitive that splitting up a family will unite a family
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Wwweeellll..... I'm happy to hear it's not a brain tumor! ::bwahaha2::
Shit, I did not think of Brian Toomey or Dane Bamage for that matter. Every so often I have a flashback to hitting Arnold Goodgame helmet to helmet in a football drill though. He was a kind soul and helped to revive me.
Emil Nightrate
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Personnel change, headmasters will change ... But the core values of the system would be expected to stay, more or less, the same.
You want to separate the Hyde concept from the Hyde reality? How? Hyde is a real-life application, not a theory.
First, staff and administration must be replaced. In the forty years since its founding Hyde has generated anger and dissatisfaction unusual for any school.
Second, there is an acute need for reform that will enhance the level of academics.
Third, the system of governance of the school and the distribution of authority must also be changed.
Fourth, controls need to be put in place against physical, verbal, and emotional abuse.
Fifth, the social benefit of a Hyde education cannot be assumed.
Finally, as for those "core values," are they better than public education, family, and thereapy (if needed)? It is counterintuitive that splitting up a family will unite a family[/quote]
Thank you for this succinct prescription for what's wrong with Hyde. Too many of the "leaders" at Hyde (and I use the term loosely) do not manifest the qualities I want my child to admire or mimic. There are a few good people there, but far too many behave in ways that I find abhorrent (beginning at the top with Joe Gauld). I have also found that the academic quality is extraordinarily uneven. As but one example, I encountered one teacher who spoke about his own academic failures and mediocre skills. Not surprisingly, his grammar was poor; this is what my child got to hear on a daily basis.
At Hyde academics clearly seem to take a back seat to the school's so-called (and I really mean so-called) character education. Hyde talks a good game about character education, but only a small percentage of the staff I've met demonstrate the kind of character that I choose to admire. More accurately, IMHO, Hyde provides education by a group of characters, rather than character education.
I know little about the governance structure. My guess, however, is that the governance is dominated by Hyde insiders and, as a result, suffers from the same myopic, self-congratulatory, arrogant leadership that one finds in the school staff.
I do believe that, for some kids, a boarding school experience is in everyone's best interest. Some parents enroll their child in a boarding school for all the right reasons (as opposed to merely shipping the kid away) - the opportunity to develop insights and independent living skills, to de-toxify some painful family dynamics, to provide healthy role models. Sadly, Hyde rarely lives up to its own rhetoric, in my opinion. While some people seem to be seduced by the Hyde mystique, many of us have figured out that Hyde is like the emperor without clothes. Perhaps it will fade from public view because of negative publicity, poor enrollments, etc.
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Is it true that Joe had an affair with a student?
She was out of Hyde for two years, a sophmore in college. This was later 70's
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a lot of people are mixing their personal allegiances or likes/dislikes with their assessments of whether the school works or not. Although both are inherently part of "your experience", they are indeed two very different things...
Personnel change, headmasters will change... But the core values of the system would be expected to stay, more or less, the same.
It seems to me that a lot of the attraction to Hyde has to do with Joe Gauld. Whether you consider him a maniacal Jim Jones sans the kool aid character, the dedicated saviour of your errant child, or something inbetween, the guy does appear to "have an effect" on those lucky or unlucky enough to encounter him more than casually.
Without Joe, the school seems to have floundered.
This is not a good situation. It would appear that there are critical features lacking in either the school's philosophy or its services (including "academics"). Certainly its system of "checks and balances" is sub par.
Moreover, it is particularly dangerous, from a psychological perspective, to depend on personal emotions and loyalties to ensure that you get a good education! People misunderstand things and misread things all the time, not to mention lie when they are boxed in a corner... and school administrations are no exception, even Hyde (perhaps especially Hyde)...
Any comments, friends? (shred me, please! ::kma:: )
There seems to be more intuition than analysis on the part of major players and a play book that is dogeared and yellow. The interview process has been pretty well nailed here on several threads. The process of confrontation degradation and rebuilding is a common tool. It is like a "come to Jesus" process or enbracing a 12 step program. "I once was lost and now I'm found" to quote the hymn. If you don't think you are lost Hyde will convince you otherwise. I am not sure the consequnces of the latter are considered in all cases and at times become a ego driven contest of the will.
It does work for some. Some not. To quote a former headmaster, "there are no panaceas"
Emil Nightrate
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There seems to be more intuition than analysis on the part of major players and a play book that is dogeared and yellow. The interview process has been pretty well nailed here on several threads. The process of confrontation degradation and rebuilding is a common tool. It is like a "come to Jesus" process or enbracing a 12 step program. "I once was lost and now I'm found" to quote the hymn. If you don't think you are lost Hyde will convince you otherwise. I am not sure the consequnces of the latter are considered in all cases and at times become a ego driven contest of the will.
It does work for some. Some not. To quote a former headmaster, "there are no panaceas"
Emil Nightrate
So degredation is an acceptable form of *therapy*? As long as it *works*, huh?
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There seems to be more intuition than analysis on the part of major players and a play book that is dogeared and yellow. The interview process has been pretty well nailed here on several threads. The process of confrontation degradation and rebuilding is a common tool. It is like a "come to Jesus" process or enbracing a 12 step program. "I once was lost and now I'm found" to quote the hymn. If you don't think you are lost Hyde will convince you otherwise. I am not sure the consequnces of the latter are considered in all cases and at times become a ego driven contest of the will.
It does work for some. Some not. To quote a former headmaster, "there are no panaceas"
Emil Nightrate
I did not say acceptable. Scientology works for some people. I would personally find it unacceptable. Power to Tom Cruise. L.Ron seems to work for him.
Emil
So degredation is an acceptable form of *therapy*? As long as it *works*, huh?
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I did not say acceptable. Scientology works for some people. I would personally find it unacceptable. Power to Tom Cruise. L.Ron seems to work for him.
Emil
Didn't work so well for Lisa McPherson. If it kills people, it's unacceptable. Scientology is a destructive cult. So are the programs.
The process of confrontation degradation and rebuilding is a common tool. It is like a "come to Jesus" process or enbracing a 12 step program. "I once was lost and now I'm found" to quote the hymn. If you don't think you are lost Hyde will convince you otherwise. I am not sure the consequnces of the latter are considered in all cases and at times become a ego driven contest of the will.
Yes, it is a common tool. In fact it's the most crucial tool. It's also the most damaging.
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I did not say acceptable. Scientology works for some people. I would personally find it unacceptable. Power to Tom Cruise. L.Ron seems to work for him.
Emil
Didn't work so well for Lisa McPherson. If it kills people, it's unacceptable. Scientology is a destructive cult. So are the programs.
The process of confrontation degradation and rebuilding is a common tool. It is like a "come to Jesus" process or enbracing a 12 step program. "I once was lost and now I'm found" to quote the hymn. If you don't think you are lost Hyde will convince you otherwise. I am not sure the consequnces of the latter are considered in all cases and at times become a ego driven contest of the will.
Yes, it is a common tool. In fact it's the most crucial tool. It's also the most damaging.
Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
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Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
Where is the kids' choice? This isn't a religion that they've been raised with. This is forced *treatment*.
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Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
Where is the kids' choice? This isn't a religion that they've been raised with. This is forced *treatment*.
If you are a kid, you have a hobson's choice.
Emil
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Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
Where is the kids' choice? This isn't a religion that they've been raised with. This is forced *treatment*.
If you are a kid, you have a hobson's choice.
Emil
And that's acceptable by your standards?
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Is Jesus bad?
Emil
I don't know. I never met the guy, but his followers sure are nuts.
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Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
Where is the kids' choice? This isn't a religion that they've been raised with. This is forced *treatment*.
If you are a kid, you have a hobson's choice.
Emil
And that's acceptable by your standards?
MMMMM
At the risk of being labeled a liberal democrat, I would have to give you an neuanced answer. Parents have a wide range of altatude over thier children. Children of Church of Christ Science parents can end up dead before courts can intervine to save them. MY wife does social service work for a living. She was told me about a methode baby the other day. This child was the second drug addicted child from the same drug addicted mother, who for a second time walking into a hospital to deliever her child and walk out with out it. No legal sanctions, nothing. Personally I would like to see the women hung by the neck until dead in a public square.
So in the scale of things being born drug addicted, being alowed to die from a curable condition and being swent to Hyde .... well it is not too bad. When I was there the ratio of staff to students was such that you could fly under the radar. Not every one gets the what I call for the sake of discusion, the full treatment. I recall some that did and did not respond weel to it. I recall some that responded well to it and went on to lead screwed up lives. some left hyde and thrived and are still conected to it. Some thrive and never lok back.
I had a chat with Joe a couple of years ago. joe said "how come you did not send your kids to Hyde" I said it was because I did not make enought money. I was thinking something else.
Emil Nightrate
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Christian martyrdom was a big fad for a miilemium or so. Is Jesus bad? Christ Science allows no medicine, Jehovah Witnesses no trasfusions. This is all personal choice. You follow L. Ron no shrinks no prozac.
Emil
Where is the kids' choice? This isn't a religion that they've been raised with. This is forced *treatment*.
If you are a kid, you have a hobson's choice.
Emil
Hey and to make that just a little more ambiguous, let me say that I am happy that went to Hyde.
Emil
And that's acceptable by your standards?
MMMMM
At the risk of being labeled a liberal democrat, I would have to give you an neuanced answer. Parents have a wide range of altatude over thier children. Children of Church of Christ Science parents can end up dead before courts can intervine to save them. MY wife does social service work for a living. She was told me about a methode baby the other day. This child was the second drug addicted child from the same drug addicted mother, who for a second time walking into a hospital to deliever her child and walk out with out it. No legal sanctions, nothing. Personally I would like to see the women hung by the neck until dead in a public square.
So in the scale of things being born drug addicted, being alowed to die from a curable condition and being swent to Hyde .... well it is not too bad. When I was there the ratio of staff to students was such that you could fly under the radar. Not every one gets the what I call for the sake of discusion, the full treatment. I recall some that did and did not respond weel to it. I recall some that responded well to it and went on to lead screwed up lives. some left hyde and thrived and are still conected to it. Some thrive and never lok back.
I had a chat with Joe a couple of years ago. joe said "how come you did not send your kids to Hyde" I said it was because I did not make enought money. I was thinking something else.
Emil Nightrate
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Hey and to make that just a little more ambiguous, let me say that I am happy that went to Hyde.[/quote]
That's original. Why are you happy you went to Hyde?
I enjoyed summer nights with Nancy Hart; a canoe trip to Moosehead Lake, with some surprise whitewater canoeing, and a moose watching us from the bluff; lobster at Montsweag Farms; interviewing local fisherman and the like for the school newspaper with Raul Sanchez and never writing the articles but getting fed lots of goodies; a day-long hike with buddies Raul, Todd Davis, and Craig McGill to a swimming-hole fed by a stream, with a laddered sluice full of eels; pizza with Jan Holland at a pizza joint down the hill near the river; the countryside in general.
But academically and emotionally, those were wasted years.
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Hey and to make that just a little more ambiguous, let me say that I am happy that went to Hyde.
That's original. Why are you happy you went to Hyde?
I enjoyed summer nights with Nancy Hart; a canoe trip to Moosehead Lake, with some surprise whitewater canoeing, and a moose watching us from the bluff; lobster at Montsweag Farms; interviewing local fisherman and the like for the school newspaper with Raul Sanchez and never writing the articles but getting fed lots of goodies; a day-long hike with buddies Raul, Todd Davis, and Craig McGill to a swimming-hole fed by a stream, with a laddered sluice full of eels; pizza with Jan Holland at a pizza joint down the hill near the river; the countryside in general.
But academically and emotionally, those were wasted years.[/quote]
Thanks I try to be original. Jan Holland. MMMMM I remember Jan. Jan is dead I hear. I had an awlful jones for her. She knew it and was merciless to me. I remember her and Kathy Lampias hanging around together. Funny I was tring to remember Todd Davis' name. He went into the AF. I remember Craig and his sister. Todd taught me the words endomorph and ectomorph. Todd was an ectomorph with curly hair.
I was pretty screwed up as a teenager - young adult. Having my Mom send me was probably the best thing he could do at the time. I went to a shrink and I just got worse. Going to Hyde arrested my spiral. My family situation was dysfunctional, as they say these days. As you know it you don't succeed at hyde it is because _you_ failed. There is a tautology for you. I told my mother that Hyde was fund raising and was asking me for money "Don't give them a dime. You don't own them a thing." she said. Then there was that incident with a certain highly respected figure at Hyde which she was too proper to mention that I think colored her memories of the old Blue and Gold. I heard about it second hand from my class mates "Hey did you hear about your mom and *******" I was non-plused. She was not impressed. I am just glad Gigi is not my step sister.
I kind of coasted along no one really noticed me or really thought about confronting my attitide as it was called in those days. I think many of the things that were good for me in the long run were unitended consequences of the school not a direct result of some didactic intent on Hydes part.
The kind of things you are alluding to are the things that I love about that time. Sound like you went on the canon trip with Tom Terriffic. I can barely remeber Raul or Nancy. Can you describe them.
Emil Nightrate
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Hey and to make that just a little more ambiguous, let me say that I am happy that went to Hyde.
That's original. Why are you happy you went to Hyde?
I enjoyed summer nights with Nancy Hart; a canoe trip to Moosehead Lake, with some surprise whitewater canoeing, and a moose watching us from the bluff; lobster at Montsweag Farms; interviewing local fisherman and the like for the school newspaper with Raul Sanchez and never writing the articles but getting fed lots of goodies; a day-long hike with buddies Raul, Todd Davis, and Craig McGill to a swimming-hole fed by a stream, with a laddered sluice full of eels; pizza with Jan Holland at a pizza joint down the hill near the river; the countryside in general.
But academically and emotionally, those were wasted years.
Thanks I try to be original. Jan Holland. MMMMM I remember Jan. Jan is dead I hear. I had an awlful jones for her. She knew it and was merciless to me. I remember her and Kathy Lampias hanging around together. Funny I was tring to remember Todd Davis' name. He went into the AF. I remember Craig and his sister. Todd taught me the words endomorph and ectomorph. Todd was an ectomorph with curly hair.
I was pretty screwed up as a teenager - young adult. Having my Mom send me was probably the best thing he could do at the time. I went to a shrink and I just got worse. Going to Hyde arrested my spiral. My family situation was dysfunctional, as they say these days. As you know it you don't succeed at hyde it is because _you_ failed. There is a tautology for you. I told my mother that Hyde was fund raising and was asking me for money "Don't give them a dime. You don't own them a thing." she said. Then there was that incident with a certain highly respected figure at Hyde which she was too proper to mention that I think colored her memories of the old Blue and Gold. I heard about it second hand from my class mates "Hey did you hear about your mom and *******" I was non-plused. She was not impressed. I am just glad Gigi is not my step sister.
I kind of coasted along no one really noticed me or really thought about confronting my attitide as it was called in those days. I think many of the things that were good for me in the long run were unitended consequences of the school not a direct result of some didactic intent on Hydes part.
The kind of things you are alluding to are the things that I love about that time. Sound like you went on the canon trip with Tom Terriffic. I can barely remeber Raul or Nancy. Can you describe them.
Emil Nightrate[/quote]
I'm sorry to hear that about Jan. I remember her as being mature beyond her years, and guarding a secret under that mysterious smile. Kathy Lampias would join us for pizza. Kathy had a sharp tongue, and knew how to use it. She was merciful to me, though, I suppose because she had been Nancy Hart's roommate. Nancy was a cute blonde from London, a self-styled wild child who ran away early in the school year, so I'm not surprised you don't remember her. Tom Lynch was on the canoe trip, and my roommate in off-campus housing (have you nailed me down yet?). I don't think any of the others I mentioned --- Raul Sanchez, Todd Davis, Craig McGill --- finished out their senior year. We were all there "under protest."
I emerged from a situation of child abuse into, well, a situation of child abuse. At least that's how I would describe "Mr. Gauld's" totally berserk slapping and terrorizing of a girl for not having sufficient personality, in his opinion. I developed a strong aversion for him on the spot, along with anyone else who was a part of that system. I have it on good authority (victims' own testimony) that such incidents were not infrequent at Hyde, if not so brazenly public.
As you said, the good times were all off program, and they were very, very good times. But, unfortunately, there was a tradeoff.
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I am sorry to hear about Jan! How did she die? From what I recall, she let it be known that males were of no interest to her... but that may have just been part of the tease (of both males and females)! :wink:
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Hey and to make that just a little more ambiguous, let me say that I am happy that went to Hyde.
That's original. Why are you happy you went to Hyde?
I enjoyed summer nights with Nancy Hart; a canoe trip to Moosehead Lake, with some surprise whitewater canoeing, and a moose watching us from the bluff; lobster at Montsweag Farms; interviewing local fisherman and the like for the school newspaper with Raul Sanchez and never writing the articles but getting fed lots of goodies; a day-long hike with buddies Raul, Todd Davis, and Craig McGill to a swimming-hole fed by a stream, with a laddered sluice full of eels; pizza with Jan Holland at a pizza joint down the hill near the river; the countryside in general.
But academically and emotionally, those were wasted years.
Thanks I try to be original. Jan Holland. MMMMM I remember Jan. Jan is dead I hear. I had an awlful jones for her. She knew it and was merciless to me. I remember her and Kathy Lampias hanging around together. Funny I was tring to remember Todd Davis' name. He went into the AF. I remember Craig and his sister. Todd taught me the words endomorph and ectomorph. Todd was an ectomorph with curly hair.
I was pretty screwed up as a teenager - young adult. Having my Mom send me was probably the best thing he could do at the time. I went to a shrink and I just got worse. Going to Hyde arrested my spiral. My family situation was dysfunctional, as they say these days. As you know it you don't succeed at hyde it is because _you_ failed. There is a tautology for you. I told my mother that Hyde was fund raising and was asking me for money "Don't give them a dime. You don't own them a thing." she said. Then there was that incident with a certain highly respected figure at Hyde which she was too proper to mention that I think colored her memories of the old Blue and Gold. I heard about it second hand from my class mates "Hey did you hear about your mom and *******" I was non-plused. She was not impressed. I am just glad Gigi is not my step sister.
I kind of coasted along no one really noticed me or really thought about confronting my attitide as it was called in those days. I think many of the things that were good for me in the long run were unitended consequences of the school not a direct result of some didactic intent on Hydes part.
The kind of things you are alluding to are the things that I love about that time. Sound like you went on the canon trip with Tom Terriffic. I can barely remeber Raul or Nancy. Can you describe them.
Emil Nightrate
I'm sorry to hear that about Jan. I remember her as being mature beyond her years, and guarding a secret under that mysterious smile. Kathy Lampias would join us for pizza. Kathy had a sharp tongue, and knew how to use it. She was merciful to me, though, I suppose because she had been Nancy Hart's roommate. Nancy was a cute blonde from London, a self-styled wild child who ran away early in the school year, so I'm not surprised you don't remember her. Tom Lynch was on the canoe trip, and my roommate in off-campus housing (have you nailed me down yet?). I don't think any of the others I mentioned --- Raul Sanchez, Todd Davis, Craig McGill --- finished out their senior year. We were all there "under protest."
I emerged from a situation of child abuse into, well, a situation of child abuse. At least that's how I would describe "Mr. Gauld's" totally berserk slapping and terrorizing of a girl for not having sufficient personality, in his opinion. I developed a strong aversion for him on the spot, along with anyone else who was a part of that system. I have it on good authority (victims' own testimony) that such incidents were not infrequent at Hyde, if not so brazenly public.
As you said, the good times were all off program, and they were very, very good times. But, unfortunately, there was a tradeoff.[/quote]
Tom Lynch. I remember Tom.
So we were in the same summer school. One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
I loved the cartoons that Phil Staples drew of him. He had him nailed in one where he used the coffee machine as a metaphor for Joe. The dials on the machine pegged the machine built up pressure and exploded. Then Joe gets a cup of coffee and sit down on the chair on the stage with the plaid golf pants and bad comb over. Phil was back for the '76 reunion and recieved a diploma.
Jan died of breast cancer IIRC. The announcement of Jan's death was in the alumni news letter. It is funny to go back because the disconect between those days and present day is pretty clear. Basically you've got Joe, Joe's offspring, Hydites that married Joes kids, Francis Murray and John Braun. Every one else is gone from the staff in those days.
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That is a pretty young age to die of breast cancer, even if very recent; was she genetically predisposed?
BTW, I do believe the correct spelling for her friend's name was Kathy Lampesis (or was it Lampises)? Sorry, I don't remember.
Does anyone know what happened to Nina Carbone?
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That is a pretty young age to die of breast cancer, even if very recent; was she genetically predisposed?
BTW, I do believe the correct spelling for her friend's name was Kathy Lampesis (or was it Lampises)? Sorry, I don't remember.
Does anyone know what happened to Nina Carbone?
When did Nina leave? Did she graduate run away or not come back? I have a vague memory of her I went looking for pictures of her and I realized I have forgot more people than I can remember. I recall her as 5'5'' with shorter curly hair. What a drag it is getting old. I was just looking at a picture of Tod Davis BTW. I remember he loved the Outlaws' Green Grass and High Times Forever.
What was the name for the girl that married Gordon Weaver?
Emil Nightrate
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That is a pretty young age to die of breast cancer, even if very recent; was she genetically predisposed?
BTW, I do believe the correct spelling for her friend's name was Kathy Lampesis (or was it Lampises)? Sorry, I don't remember.
Does anyone know what happened to Nina Carbone?
When did Nina leave? Did she graduate run away or not come back? I have a vague memory of her I went looking for pictures of her and I realized I have forgot more people than I can remember. I recall her as 5'5'' with shorter curly hair. What a drag it is getting old. I was just looking at a picture of Tod Davis BTW. I remember he loved the Outlaws' Green Grass and High Times Forever.
What was the name for the girl that married Gordon Weaver?
Emil Nightrate
Nina had rather long, dark brown hair; yes, slightly curly. I am not sure if she was there after 1976, as I heard that she got pregnant. She married Gordon Weaver; they had a little girl. Someone told me that things were not going well, and then Nina ran her car into a telephone pole, not to survive. I wasn't sure whether my source was reading more into the accident than was actual. Does anyone know any more?
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One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
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I don't remember the Westbrook rant. I never paid any attention to the content of those meetings. I was too focused on keeping my eyes open. A few minutes of listening to Joe was enough to make me feel as if I had been deprived of sleep for days. What a bore! What fifth-rate theatrics instead of an education. Like listening to Goebbels.
I'm happy that Hyde worked for you. I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too. "Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered. Year in year out, Joe Gauld empowers a nucleus of families --- the lowest common denominator --- who indoctrinize the rest in an environment of fear and intimidation. What percentage of families walk away from Hyde feeling they have been healed? What percentage feel cheated?
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One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
I don't remember the Westbrook rant. I never paid any attention to the content of those meetings. I was too focused on keeping my eyes open. A few minutes of listening to Joe was enough to make me feel as if I had been deprived of sleep for days. What a bore! What fifth-rate theatrics instead of an education. Like listening to Goebbels.
I'm happy that Hyde worked for you. I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too. "Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered. Year in year out, Joe Gauld empowers a nucleus of families --- the lowest common denominator --- who indoctrinize the rest in an environment of fear and intimidation. What percentage of families walk away from Hyde feeling they have been healed? What percentage feel cheated?[/quote]
You ask key questions: What percentage of Hyde families feel they have been healed? Cheated? Now that I've been involved with Hyde I am convinced that a very substantial number of families feel cheated and, more importantly, abused. Hyde is very good at sniffing out the families that buy into the Hyde kool-aid and they parade these trophy families around in order to "demonsrate" the success of the system. It's remarkably like Castro's tactics; display the "success" stories while the masses rot. Many other corrupt and abusive leaders do the same thing.
Your comments about Joe Gauld's mood swings take me right back to those meetings. Joe's ups and downs are notorious and speak volumes about how inappropriate and destructive the Hyde environment can be. Joe's behavior almost seems like bipolar disorder, with the severe mood swings and rants. It's so sad that many families get swept into Hyde because of their desperation, only to discover how bad it is. Fortunately, some (not enough) find greener pastures elsewhere and bolt from Hyde on the fastest horse available.
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That is a pretty young age to die of breast cancer, even if very recent; was she genetically predisposed?
BTW, I do believe the correct spelling for her friend's name was Kathy Lampesis (or was it Lampises)? Sorry, I don't remember.
Does anyone know what happened to Nina Carbone?
When did Nina leave? Did she graduate run away or not come back? I have a vague memory of her I went looking for pictures of her and I realized I have forgot more people than I can remember. I recall her as 5'5'' with shorter curly hair. What a drag it is getting old. I was just looking at a picture of Tod Davis BTW. I remember he loved the Outlaws' Green Grass and High Times Forever.
What was the name for the girl that married Gordon Weaver?
Emil Nightrate
Nina had rather long, dark brown hair; yes, slightly curly. I am not sure if she was there after 1976, as I heard that she got pregnant. She married Gordon Weaver; they had a little girl. Someone told me that things were not going well, and then Nina ran her car into a telephone pole, not to survive. I wasn't sure whether my source was reading more into the accident than was actual. Does anyone know any more?
Thanks I saw Nina with Gordon at the '76 25th.
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One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
I don't remember the Westbrook rant. I never paid any attention to the content of those meetings. I was too focused on keeping my eyes open. A few minutes of listening to Joe was enough to make me feel as if I had been deprived of sleep for days. What a bore! What fifth-rate theatrics instead of an education. Like listening to Goebbels.
I'm happy that Hyde worked for you. I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too. "Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered. Year in year out, Joe Gauld empowers a nucleus of families --- the lowest common denominator --- who indoctrinize the rest in an environment of fear and intimidation. What percentage of families walk away from Hyde feeling they have been healed? What percentage feel cheated?
You ask key questions: What percentage of Hyde families feel they have been healed? Cheated? Now that I've been involved with Hyde I am convinced that a very substantial number of families feel cheated and, more importantly, abused. Hyde is very good at sniffing out the families that buy into the Hyde kool-aid and they parade these trophy families around in order to "demonsrate" the success of the system. It's remarkably like Castro's tactics; display the "success" stories while the masses rot. Many other corrupt and abusive leaders do the same thing.
Your comments about Joe Gauld's mood swings take me right back to those meetings. Joe's ups and downs are notorious and speak volumes about how inappropriate and destructive the Hyde environment can be. Joe's behavior almost seems like bipolar disorder, with the severe mood swings and rants. It's so sad that many families get swept into Hyde because of their desperation, only to discover how bad it is. Fortunately, some (not enough) find greener pastures elsewhere and bolt from Hyde on the fastest horse available.[/quote]
I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too
Yup, it worked for the Pope
What percentage feel cheated?
My mother was was not happy with the way things ended. I was told in an exit interview by the tall texan that I would be dead by the time I was 25. Mom's reaction was, "so why didn't they tell me this when I was writing the checks?" They had no idea what to do with me any more then Joe knew what to do with Blache. I drank until I was 26 (Thanks Ed! javascript:emoticon(':rofl:')
javascript:emoticon(':rofl:')). I got sober the day after the 11th anniversary of my father's death. I have been sober ever since and raised my kids in a house hold were there was no alcohol abuse. Perhaps the first generation of my fathers clan to do so. What part did hyde have in this. It is hard to say. As I said before it certainly was not by didactic intent, because they clearly did not know what to do with me when I was there. It is funny that you metion Nina because she brought me to an AA meeting. So I would have to say Nina had at least as much with my growth in a good direction as anything else at Hyde did.
My friends mother grew up on High St in Bath. She played with the hyde kids ( children of the Hydes that owned the shipyard) I told him one day that I went to Hyde. His jaw hit his chest. "YOU when to Hyde?!" He said. "I never would have guessed. My Mother used to threaten me with hyde when I was bad" I have become reticent to mention my secondary education. I tend to metion that I have a BS magna cum in Engineering. Did I mention that? Well I do.
Emil Nightrate
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Emil,
Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear. When I wrote, ""Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered," I was referring to Joe Gauld. I didn't mean you or any other Hyde parent or child. I apologize for any misunderstanding, and I'm sincerely glad that things did work out for you.
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Emil,
Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear. When I wrote, ""Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered," I was referring to Joe Gauld. I didn't mean you or any other Hyde parent or child. I apologize for any misunderstanding, and I'm sincerely glad that things did work out for you.
I did not take it that way, as a personal afront.
I understand why Joe is a problematic figure for you.
emil
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Thanks I saw Nina with Gordon at the '76 25th.
Are you sure it was Nina?
Did death record search, and found one for a Nina Weaver b.1957 (would be correct)...
thnx. btw
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Thanks I saw Nina with Gordon at the '76 25th.
Are you sure it was Nina?
Did death record search, and found one for a Nina Weaver b.1957 (would be correct)...
thnx. btw
Ah,
Perhaps it was Nina's daughter. Perhaps I saw a ghost. I saw a female in the Student Union in Bath in '01 that was a dead ringer.
Emil
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Thanks I saw Nina with Gordon at the '76 25th.
Are you sure it was Nina?
Did death record search, and found one for a Nina Weaver b.1957 (would be correct)...
thnx. btw
Ah,
Perhaps it was Nina's daughter. Perhaps I saw a ghost. I saw a female in the Student Union in Bath in '01 that was a dead ringer.
Emil
Okay, I did a search in the SSDI which gives more information and found a Nina Weaver b. 3 Dec 1957, d. Oct 1981, based in VA where her parents were at least in the 1970's... ooohhh.... this is so sad....
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Is movie by the same Doug Pray that when to Hyde?
http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70018799 (http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=70018799)
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Yes...Doug is an award winning, established Documentary Director and producer.
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Yes...Doug is an award winning, established Documentary Director and producer.
I wonder if he credits that to his education at Hyde or if he still plays the violin like Jean Luc Ponty:
http://www.amazon.com/Imaginary-Voyage- ... B000002I93 (http://www.amazon.com/Imaginary-Voyage-Jean-Luc-Ponty/dp/B000002I93)
Emil
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One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
I don't remember the Westbrook rant. I never paid any attention to the content of those meetings. I was too focused on keeping my eyes open. A few minutes of listening to Joe was enough to make me feel as if I had been deprived of sleep for days. What a bore! What fifth-rate theatrics instead of an education. Like listening to Goebbels.
I'm happy that Hyde worked for you. I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too. "Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered. Year in year out, Joe Gauld empowers a nucleus of families --- the lowest common denominator --- who indoctrinize the rest in an environment of fear and intimidation. What percentage of families walk away from Hyde feeling they have been healed? What percentage feel cheated?[/quote]
My friend just bought a house in Westbrook...it doesn't stink there anymore and is an up-and-coming suburb of Portland
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One of my enduring memories of Joe is the school meeting that summer where Joe for some reason blew a fuse and started to rant. "You people smell like Westbrook! Westbrook! Get you of here. Get out of here. I don't want to smell you any more." and he was spitting, standing at the edge of the stage and spitting as he spoke. I will never forget it.
That was the thing that was freaky about him: you could never tell which way he was going to go. Was he happy? Was he sad? Was he angry? You just could not tell. He would start one way and then BANG massive mood swing and he would be ranting or crying.
I don't remember the Westbrook rant. I never paid any attention to the content of those meetings. I was too focused on keeping my eyes open. A few minutes of listening to Joe was enough to make me feel as if I had been deprived of sleep for days. What a bore! What fifth-rate theatrics instead of an education. Like listening to Goebbels.
I'm happy that Hyde worked for you. I suppose Hitler Youth helped some kids too. "Character education" is a pretext for one very stupid, cruel, and disturbed individual to feel empowered. Year in year out, Joe Gauld empowers a nucleus of families --- the lowest common denominator --- who indoctrinize the rest in an environment of fear and intimidation. What percentage of families walk away from Hyde feeling they have been healed? What percentage feel cheated?
My friend just bought a house in Westbrook...it doesn't stink there anymore and is an up-and-coming suburb of Portland[/quote]
Here is a poem for today by an anonymous Former Hyde student called The Miasma of Bath.
The smell of Westbrook,
The giant red and white praying mantis with the red glowing eyes as you crest the hill on US 1 North,
Joe
on the stage seated
coffee cup in hand
covering his mustache with this lower lip
sipping his coffee
about to explode.
Children in rapped attention
watch the wizard at his black mass
violate the host and join in to stab the goat of the day.
The mantis grins.
Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.®