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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 23, 2006, 02:39:00 AM
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I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc.
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good questions, but only Sammie could answer those I am sure.
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anyone else?
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
Why don't you worry about your own experiences? What difference does it make if perceived discrepancies run through one survivor's account? Does it take anything away from the abuse Straight heaped on thousands of people for over a decade?
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Anon, if you compare what Sammie actually says herself to how the media quotes her, it's just like every other story. They never seem to get it 100% right, either in factual detail or in the way they frame the story.
I remember the humble pants. If someone had a small accident, they might not be allowed to clean up for some hours. If they were held in an intake room overnight as it sometimes happened, there was no foster parent of either gender to come to their aid. If no big mess happened for however many days, then no clothes change and no laundry service.
Sammie was not the only girl in that place to have to bleed through her clothing for a good many hours or more before getting permission to go to the bathroom and some ill-fitting, ugly assed clothes from the clothes room. No one ever stood before group and explicitly ordered these things. It's just that a misbehaving newcomer couldn't even get permission to speak in order to tell someone they needed clean undies.
Like many other kids in group, she shit herself because she couldn't get permission to use the restroom. Like many other kids in group, it was some hours and probably your typical come down rap about self respect before she was able to get clean clothing. Like lots of other kid give various other creative little mindfuck punishments, the humble pants thing probably went on for weeks, likely w/ a couple of changes of clothes some hours after any accident.
I never heard Sammie describe these things in any way inconsistent with what I remember specifically or with the way they did things in Straight, Sarasota generally. But, for some damned reason, you say "shit my pants" and "month" in the same conversation w/ any newsman and they come away with a mental picture of, litterally, a months worth of accumulated shit and piss. And that's what they relay.
But that's what we've got to work with.
Do you like the way they cut and edited that short interview w/ John Alexander? I'm sure their intentions were good, but editors must edit somehow and, always, their lack of understanding as well as their preconceived notions always come through in that process.
That's why it takes a thousand voices to tell just one story.
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
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Why don't you worry about your own experiences?
Yeah, anon -- talk about yourself... :lol:
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just trying to understand, sorry if I offended. By the time I'd gotten into Straight - HRS had already come down on Straight so all the bullshit was probably alot less than in the 70s and early eightees, but we still got our fair share of humble pants and other abuses if we misbehaved or did not comply with the strict rules, hell - if we made a wrong look it meant confrontation at the least.
I was really curious about the severity of days and years prior to my time at Straight and that is why I apologized for any misconceived notions that might come across my questions. I had recently posted my concerns about the earlier protest in which Sammie replied, and I must say I have to agree that with all the editing and working of the media, Sammie's story - and it wasn't that she didn't come off legitimate - sounded different than other stories I'd heard. I like what you said about 'a thousand voices to tell a story', that is true.
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Well thanks. That 'thousand voices' thing is an old native American saying I picked up somewhere.
I don't really buy that the Program ever got any better just because the regulators ran through it like the flu once in awhile. I've heard from people who started out the Cinci program that they all were glad to be away from headquarters and Virgil and that, for a time, it was just much less intense over there. But talk to people who have been there over the past 10 years or so and under the KHK name and it seems that, as soon as the pressure is off, it all goes right back to the same nightmare.
Seems as if there's a threshold bottom of intensity and extremism that, if they cross that, they fall apart due to attrition and reduced recruiting. And there seem to be certain personalities that bring their own flair and aptitude into the mix. Virgil is one of those. And, for some reason, people keep coming around saying they'd like to find out where George Ross landed up, but no one's giving any hard detail about exactly why him, of all people.
I sure would like to know. As far as I know, every damned location in every time frame told the same tall tale about how damned lucky we all were that we weren't in this one or that one. It was both a guilt trip and a threat. And how can anyone ever make any kind of objective comparison?
If you look at the written rules and other details about SAFE, one might conclude that those turkeys don't know what they're talking about comparing SAFE today w/ Straight in the 80's. But look at the kids in the video; the fluorescent tans, dull hair pulled back too tightly, manic vacant faces... hell, even their walk, posture and personal gestures gave away the story. I don't think you could train actors to carry off the overall effect, even if you wanted to.
Ya know? So I sure would like to find out more detail about what went on in the other locations and over the years.
In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn?t speak up because I wasn?t a trade unionist. Then they came for Catholics, and I didn?t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
--Protestant minister Martin Neimoller
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Hmmm, I made it through a similar program for a whole year and a half without EVER "messing" my pants. How could that be? Oh, maybe because I didn't act like a complete fool and idiot misbehaving, screaming, kicking, cursing etc. there. I wasn't the mental case that Sammie was and still seems to be.
Anyone know the defination of exaggeration? We should ask Sammie. :cry2:
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Being an easy sell out isn't really anything to brag about. I'll cop to it. I never messed myself and only got sat on once. Never did let them make me act like an animal, either. I complied because it made the most sense for the moment. Never was proud of it, though.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another; shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement
Thomas Jefferson
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On 2006-03-23 14:42:00, Eudora wrote:
"Anon, if you compare what Sammie actually says herself to how the media quotes her, it's just like every other story. They never seem to get it 100% right, either in factual detail or in the way they frame the story.
I remember the humble pants. If someone had a small accident, they might not be allowed to clean up for some hours. If they were held in an intake room overnight as it sometimes happened, there was no foster parent of either gender to come to their aid. If no big mess happened for however many days, then no clothes change and no laundry service.
Sammie was not the only girl in that place to have to bleed through her clothing for a good many hours or more before getting permission to go to the bathroom and some ill-fitting, ugly assed clothes from the clothes room. No one ever stood before group and explicitly ordered these things. It's just that a misbehaving newcomer couldn't even get permission to speak in order to tell someone they needed clean undies.
Like many other kids in group, she shit herself because she couldn't get permission to use the restroom. Like many other kids in group, it was some hours and probably your typical come down rap about self respect before she was able to get clean clothing. Like lots of other kid give various other creative little mindfuck punishments, the humble pants thing probably went on for weeks, likely w/ a couple of changes of clothes some hours after any accident.
I never heard Sammie describe these things in any way inconsistent with what I remember specifically or with the way they did things in Straight, Sarasota generally. But, for some damned reason, you say "shit my pants" and "month" in the same conversation w/ any newsman and they come away with a mental picture of, litterally, a months worth of accumulated shit and piss. And that's what they relay.
But that's what we've got to work with.
Do you like the way they cut and edited that short interview w/ John Alexander? I'm sure their intentions were good, but editors must edit somehow and, always, their lack of understanding as well as their preconceived notions always come through in that process.
That's why it takes a thousand voices to tell just one story.
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
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There are actually vending machines in Japan that SELL "humble pants",panties soiled by a school girl.Going price $25usd.
Looks like Sammie should make some leomnade from all those lemons.
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On 2006-03-23 22:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 14:42:00, Eudora wrote:
"Anon, if you compare what Sammie actually says herself to how the media quotes her, it's just like every other story. They never seem to get it 100% right, either in factual detail or in the way they frame the story.
I remember the humble pants. If someone had a small accident, they might not be allowed to clean up for some hours. If they were held in an intake room overnight as it sometimes happened, there was no foster parent of either gender to come to their aid. If no big mess happened for however many days, then no clothes change and no laundry service.
Sammie was not the only girl in that place to have to bleed through her clothing for a good many hours or more before getting permission to go to the bathroom and some ill-fitting, ugly assed clothes from the clothes room. No one ever stood before group and explicitly ordered these things. It's just that a misbehaving newcomer couldn't even get permission to speak in order to tell someone they needed clean undies.
Like many other kids in group, she shit herself because she couldn't get permission to use the restroom. Like many other kids in group, it was some hours and probably your typical come down rap about self respect before she was able to get clean clothing. Like lots of other kid give various other creative little mindfuck punishments, the humble pants thing probably went on for weeks, likely w/ a couple of changes of clothes some hours after any accident.
I never heard Sammie describe these things in any way inconsistent with what I remember specifically or with the way they did things in Straight, Sarasota generally. But, for some damned reason, you say "shit my pants" and "month" in the same conversation w/ any newsman and they come away with a mental picture of, litterally, a months worth of accumulated shit and piss. And that's what they relay.
But that's what we've got to work with.
Do you like the way they cut and edited that short interview w/ John Alexander? I'm sure their intentions were good, but editors must edit somehow and, always, their lack of understanding as well as their preconceived notions always come through in that process.
That's why it takes a thousand voices to tell just one story.
We get crushed in the first three, four years of school...We're trained to become parrots. We're trained to learn information and give it back at test time. But we're not taught to think. We're not taught how to access genius.
--Victor Villasenor, author of Burro Genius (2004)
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There are actually vending machines in Japan that SELL "humble pants",panties soiled by a school girl.Going price $25usd.
Looks like Sammie should make some leomnade from all those lemons."
:nworthy: :nworthy: :rofl:
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My brother was the real dickhead around Straight. He never was a real big guy but he didn't take shit from anyone. I am more of a peaceful protestor. I pulled shit from within so that I never had to get sat on, much, or hurt as much as others did. But, it just didn't work that way. I still got hurt. So even though I, and others, weren't receiving much education at all I started adding things up and using the loopholes in the program; my small way of getting even. My tenure practically broke my parents, and they still complain about it to this day. It's funny in some ways still today, too. I let more than fifteen people leave my home and travelling car (all times planned at red lights so the newcomer would not have to hop out from a moving vehicle), at least three of which merely asked me if they could walk knowing I would allow them to leave at will. This was in a time when letting cop outs leave and not getting really physical with them meant you got setback or fucked up yourself. Being the pussy I am caused me not to get hurt, at least not as much as others. Big eyes, a questioning and innocent speech. Works sometimes today, too.
And obviously 4th and 5th phases were for pulling shit. So that's what we all did. Mac'd on a hottie oldcomer chica once or twice and then she graduated. Did what I wanted for the most part and lived stupidly without much education. In fact, at one point my parents pulled me. I was so fucked up that they put me back in because I was depressed. Luckily, I had been out for about two weeks. So, when I was going to come back in I called the in-house teacher and told her that when I left I lost all my work or that my parents threw it all away with other stuff. Not true. While I was in the Straight school system, I never really did any work since I couldn't pay attention; all the pages always went blank and I was either always frustrated or I was tired and wanted to sleep as usual from the shit going on in group, or I could not focus right on the work given to me. I forget her name. Fat, ugly, and mean to us druggy schoolsters. But she gave me a 'B+' on all my work for two years worth of school work that never existed aside from some of the doodling I did sometimes. I managed to save those.
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My tenure practically broke my parents, and they still complain about it to this day.
How much did they have to shell out to straight per month? Do you have the figures? In my case there was an initial fee plus "room & board" every month.
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On 2006-03-23 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Hmmm, I made it through a similar program for a whole year and a half without EVER "messing" my pants. How could that be? Oh, maybe because I didn't act like a complete fool and idiot misbehaving, screaming, kicking, cursing etc. there. I wasn't the mental case that Sammie was and still seems to be.
Anyone know the defination of exaggeration? We should ask Sammie. :idea:
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On 2006-03-24 13:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
My tenure practically broke my parents, and they still complain about it to this day.
How much did they have to shell out to straight per month? Do you have the figures? In my case there was an initial fee plus "room & board" every month."
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How much did they have to shell out to straight per month? Do you have the figures? In my case there was an initial fee plus "room & board" every month.
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On 2006-03-25 22:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How much did they have to shell out to straight per month? Do you have the figures? In my case there was an initial fee plus "room & board" every month."
How much didd Samantha's parents pay to keep her out of the house?
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i was in st pete,so i can't clarify sammie's story for her,but i will tell you that something like what she's talking about happened to me 2 times......both times on an "open meeting day/night".....for one reason or another,i couldn't go to the bathroom when i was allowed...later i needed to,but the staff member i asked decided to be a dick.....and didn't answer me or thought it was amusing to him that i needed this one simple thing>to go to the bathroom!......after waiting for awhile,i thought he forgot and desparatly asked ANOTHER staff member for permission.....then all of a sudden,the "trainee" i asked first,came in when i had my hand up and had the other staff member call on me....i asked again.then they called on the "trainee" i asked first,and i got blasted for "playing off"!!!! meanwhile i had to go....well,my consequense was that i wasn't allowed to go to the bathroom! i had to hold it the rest of the day....those sadistic assholes ...
i tried as hard as i could,but pissed my pants in /during open meeting.....then in open meeting review,they confronted me and made me parade myself in front of the girls side as well...it was a very humiliating experience to say the least.even at 41-42,its still very humiliating to tell anyone that....ginger and sammie were in the same time period i was....honestly,i can't speak first hand for sammie,cause she was in sarasota and i was in st pete,but that was the way str8 was in the early days....if she says that happened,it very well could have!a lot of bad things happened to kids back then!i experienced many of the horrible things that place had to dole out on ppl first hand!the only differences between the 2 were miller {the newt} newton....but i was in sarasota 2 times for an hour or so while i was waiting to see a doctor down there for my hearing loss problems and sarasota was a shit hole as far as comparing the buildings....it was never designed to be a place to house ppl....no insulation etc.....so it was very cold in the winter and very warm in the summer.....it was definatly the "poorest" straight of them all.....never had a steady staff
so everytime a person started to progress,they had to deal with huckle bucks that didn't know they're progress and many kids got humped in the process because of it!.....shit sammie went in when she was 12 1/2.....how many drugs could shew have possibly done?.....i look at my daughter now{13} and i wonder why or how anyone could've possibly thought she "needed" that place! even if she did a joint,that couldn't have justified placing her in there! if she misbehaved,it doesn't surprise me! at 12 1/2 i would've been the same way! shit man,think.....she was just BEGINING to become a young lady!the sickest part about her maturity was she LEARNED it from total strangers in straight! not her MOTHER!!!! we were all kids in there,for the most part,but sammie really was....if she says that happened to her,there's a very good chance it did man.....
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
That drama queen has made us all look like liars.
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I believe the correct phrase would be, "Focus on yourself", Dr. Fucktard...lol ::bigsmilebounce::
On 2006-03-23 14:48:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
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Why don't you worry about your own experiences?
Yeah, anon -- talk about yourself... :lol: "
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I believe the correct phrase would be, "Focus on yourself", Dr. Fucktard...lol ::bigsmilebounce::
Imagine that...you, a mere baghead attempting to correct me, a highly esteemed Executive Director at THE best drug rehab that there ever was & ever will be!! Rather humorous, that. :roll: :lol:
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On 2006-04-09 04:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
That drama queen has made us all look like liars."
:rofl:
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
Its people like Samantha Monroe who make us all look like liars.
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On 2006-04-11 20:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
Its people like Samantha Monroe who make us all look like liars."
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Its people like samantha monroe who have kept this in the public eye you think you can do better go for it.
I am tired of you anons always snipping and degrading. Why don't you go out and work for once
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On 2006-04-18 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its people like samantha monroe who have kept this in the public eye you think you can do better go for it.
I am tired of you anons always snipping and degrading. Why don't you go out and work for once"
samantha Monroe ROCKS
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..does not.. :razz:
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Miller Newton touched my junk liberally. He strapped me in to his Straightmobile and he
couldn't keep his offensive hands off of me. He was performing many red flag touches. I
couldnt believe what the fuck was going on. I told Miller Newtonthe city would not approve
of a millionaire touching an underage kid for free. Can you believe it? Miller Newton did all this.He picked me off the street, strapped my arms and legs down in the Straightmobile's passenger seat, and just wouldn't stop fondling my cock'n'balls.
They definately were red flag touches. The goddamn referee he had in the back seat kept on
raising up this red flag every time he touched my junk but did "Dr." Newton care? NO WAY! He
just kept on doing it. I couldn't believe what the fuck was going on, indeed. I pleaded with
Miller Newton but to no avail. I told him the city would not approve of such a wealthy man
touching an underage kid like me (at the time I was 13) without at least compensating me for
the trauma and the use of my body as his own personal plaything.
This got to Miller Newton, worrying about his image. he continued to fondle me, all the while ignoring
the referee's red flags. Then he drove the Straightmobile to my house and ejected the seat I was in! It was amazing. But surprisingly, after I woke up the next morning, my bank account had $150k in it!!! Can you believe it?????????????????????????
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And down the rabbit hole we go.......
I can't speak for Sammie but I believe her. Since I was there around the same time, her story is not only plausible but a little too familiar. I was in Straight St Pete in 1980, '81 and part of '82. I was not allowed the "privilege" of using the restroom on many occasions and on three that I can remember, I wet myself. The first time was in homes rap.It was November or December and we were sitting on that cold concrete floor for hours.I'd requested urgently and repeatedly to use the bathroom. Kathleen Wynn was jr staff then. She merely rolled her eyes. But Wanda had a field day.Wanda Minton was Sr staff. Homes ran long because there were so many girls in group. The boys side had already picked up their bologna sandwiches.Several girls were desperate. I was sweating, crying. My gut was distended, grotesque. And Wanda came unglued."If you girls have to go to the GD bathroom so GD bad you can just go on the fucking floor 'cause you're not going!"
I had not misbehaved in any way. I had followed the rules. My crime was being accustomed to eating, drinking and then relieving myself like a sane human being.
Shortly after Wanda's outburst I couldn't hold it any longer. Two other girls followed suit. I was required to continue sitting in it. I stood in a puddle of my own urine to be reviewed for homes rap. Kathleen burst out laughing and then told me I was disgusting.She said I made her sick. Wanda called on people to tell me how disgusting I was. I was started over, put on the pb&j diet and then made to sit in it for the rest of the afternoon. Around 4 or 5:00 L.A. came and got me. I cleaned up everbody's pee. Had to wring the mop out with my hands. They gave me some green polyester pants that were about 4 sizes too big. I sat at the back of the group during open meeting. The group was massive so there were about 700 or 800 people in for open meeting. My parents were at the very back. They saw nothing.
I went to the foster home that night. My oldcomer asked me why I did that. Like this physiological requirement was some big mystery to everybody. They acted as if it was an act of rebellion. And I bought it. I kept saying I didn't know. I berated myself in my MI. What was wrong with me that I had to urinate with such regularity?
You asked about the fosters. They were a mixed bag but remember they were getting "therapy" too. We would all die if they didn't d exactly what they were told.This particular family happened to be very nice. But when they were told that I was on pb & j and I could only have 2 pcs of toast and a dixie cup of oj at breakfast, that's what I got. All my other meals were at Straight. I believe my foster mother did intervene at one point though. After about a month on pb&j I lost a lot of weight. You know in that era we were wearing our pants as tight as possible. After almost on month on pb&j I could put both my hands all the way to my elbow inside my cords and touch my knees. While sitting down...I showed my foster mom. I was off pb&j the next day. Of course that didn't stop them from putting me on it twice more.
They dispensed medication regularly. I have no idea what it was. I was given medication after my third or fourth round of wetting myself, a staff trainee came and got one day and took me to the medication line. Told me I had a bladder infection. I wondered how they could tell since I barely spoke and I'd not seen a Dr since my charming initial exam. But I didn't know. I was 15. Barely. I thought maybe they had some training -could tell by the way I sat or stood. I got medication-a little blue pill for a week or two. I was then pronounced well-again without the aid of a Dr.
I can't speak to the menses. My period stopped the minute I walked through the double doors into group the first time. I didn't get a period again until I was on second or third phase. PS that was like 9 months later. I didn't talk to my fosters about that. I only saw them for a few hours on Sundays. Otherwise it was o'dark thirty in the morning or 10:00, 11:00, 12:00 at night.We were trying to get moral inventories done so that we could get to bed. Everyone was desperate for sleep. Including the foster parents. So not so much conversation going on.
I'm glad you didn't experience that stuff. I appreciate you asking really. I mean all of this is like Wonderland, crazy stuff. I'm sure lots of people new to this site are thinking it. But I don't have the luxury of believing that those mad things didn't happen to Sammie. Or anyone else. Because they happened to me too.
Any more questions?
whiterabbitWe did not inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it form our children.
Haida
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all i can say is ditto to you whiterabbit.....i said some very simular stuff on my post up above yours.....a lot of the people on here came in after the lawsuites started swinging......but there are many that came in before and during our "tenure" there.....hip
{p.s.}that took a lot of guts to admit to on here for a lady...... :smile:
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On 2006-03-22 23:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope you don't take this wrong way, and I DO NOT mean any disrespect by it - I have a question or a curiousity I am wanting to know about.
Samantha says she was isolated for several weeks or months and made to wear humble pants that she was basically forced to wear her own feces, urine, and discharges. She said that she picked at her scabs and nails all the time, that she ate them in order to keep from being hungry.
I am curious since Straight was only an outpatient treatment facility if noone ever did anything about all of the feces and urine and bloody mess that she carried around with her to the host homes that took her in at night.
I'm not saying it doesn't add up, but I am questioning how fucked up any host parent would have to be to allow a girl who's humble pants are full of turds, wet urine and stench, and blood everywhere into their home. She claims that she was starved but how can this happen. The most we ever got was the pb n j diet. Most host parents consisted of a mother, I do not know any father who would have been a single parent that EVER put their child into Straight without the mother around, EVER. So, since most or more likely ALL host homes consisted of a nearby mother and/or father - it would seem to me at some point that a host mother would not be so cold if she saw a girl starving for 'months'. I could be wrong on all accounts. Let's say many father's did put their kids in Straight, I still don't know any adult who wouldn't at least offer an emaciated child a piece of bread if their face is sunken and their scabs are bleeding like that. Sincerely.
The other question I had is about Sammie's forced abortion. She claims that she was raped by a staff member who was employed by Straight. She claims that she got pregnant as a result of that rape and that she was made, by HRS and Straight to have an abortion. Now, drugs were not allowed at Straight. Was she given meds such as antibiotics which are VERY enforced law when it comes to things like legal abortions in state sanctioned clinics from HRS? If she was taking antibiotics but being starved and made to use the restroom in her pants all day every time she had to go/ wouldn't this upset the use of the antibiotics in general and wouldn't the staff at the abortion clinic or hospital have recognized that her humble pants didn't look so good?
I understand that all of this did not happen at once and that the time frames for the different crimes did not happen all at once and that what did happen to everyone at Straight is bullshit. But I wanted to gain some clarity on those issues and I hope you can see your way past bashing me into a hole for the questions I am being sincere about. I know this is a sensitive topic and I apologize for it. I am not really curious, but I found those questions to be pressing about the details of the statement of her victimization at Straight Inc."
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Matt's correct on pissing during group / open meeting. God forbid you had a small bladder. Then there was that famous 'bust ass rap'. The head from the sweat caused stuff to peel off the walls. I recall pools of bodily fluids in those blue plastic seats. Most of the time you could get permission to go to the bathroom, but the old comer was sure to give you a 'weggie' to show his/her disgust of your inability to hold your bladder.
You know, I forgot about Matt's hearing issue. I recall they seemed to make fun of you about that or somehow blame you for your condition. That was just sad.
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You know, I forgot about Matt's hearing issue. I recall they seemed to make fun of you about that or somehow blame you for your condition. That was just sad
it was sad.....dean "vasaline" minstretta just couldn't wrap his fucking head around it.....he ridiculed me for it on my 2nd 5th phase....in front of everyone.....all the phasers i noticed were laughing thier heads off......he ended his remarks by saying "blah blah blah,deaf boy!"....this time i didn't give a shit about the rules "no talking behind backs" and my newc's and i told my mom when we were on our way back home......it got him in some trouble,and he "said he was sorry," but didn't "humble" himself in front of group and publicly apoligise.....dean was a huge asshole to me.....he was to everyone...he seemed to think he was above everyone in there.......you know, i almost asked my parents to transfer me to sarasota because it was so much smaller of a program......i couldn't hear anyone in st.pete....just mumbling and noise...i was always waving my arm so ppl would speak up......on 1st -3rd phases,i always had to sit in front of group because of my hearing loss........or at least on the side closest to the girls side ....same with 4th phase...i had to sit closest to where the staff sat so i could hear the best i could....after many years my hearing has really deteriorated...i only hear out of one ear now and thats only 45%....i don't even have a whole half of an ear to hear out of!.....to much rock music playing in bands ....hippie