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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 21, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
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I am listening to talk radio today.
The hot blonde school teacher who
got caught doing it with the 14 year
old boy claims Bipolar affected her
decision making.
Talk show hosts and callers are reaming
her for coming up with such a lame
excuse.
A caller asked the question, would
the host, or callers, hire her if they
knew she was Bipolar.
HELL NO ... was the answer.
Hmm, so a Bipolar cannot be hired because
their illness makes them act a certain
way.
If a Bipolar acts the way the illness
distorts their decision making then
they are responsible.
Can someone explain how the illness is
used for screening, but not for criminal
culpability?
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I'm bipolar, and there are certain jobs that I will not argue that I should be screened from. Bipolar has effects on your emotions, and there are a lot of jobs out there where you absolutely have to have your emotions in check at all times.
I would make the argument that being on a talk show would be one of them. You are, in essence, the face of network or broadcast corporation that you represent. If your emotions cannot be trusted 100% of the time, then why would a talk show want you representing them in front of hundreds of thousands of people, including sponsors and critics?
Even more so in dangerous jobs such as law enforcement, military positions, firefighting, etc, etc, etc.
But never once have I walked out the door and had the urge to sleep with a 14 year old. That has absolutely nothing to do with being bipolar. In fact, I would like to slap that woman in the face for even attempting to make that connection, because all she's going to do is make the rest of us look bad if anyone is stupid enough to believe her.
Her excuse is extremely lame, she is a complete moron, and her bipolar had nothing to do with sleeping with a child. The fact that she is just an otherwise sick person who lacks certain morals is why she did what she did.
In other situations, fine, there is a bipolar paradox. But not this one.
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On 2006-03-21 17:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm bipolar, and there are certain jobs that I will not argue that I should be screened from. Bipolar has effects on your emotions, and there are a lot of jobs out there where you absolutely have to have your emotions in check at all times.
I would make the argument that being on a talk show would be one of them. You are, in essence, the face of network or broadcast corporation that you represent. If your emotions cannot be trusted 100% of the time, then why would a talk show want you representing them in front of hundreds of thousands of people, including sponsors and critics?
Beats hell out of me. But if they find a cure, spray some of it all over Connie and Maurey, huh?
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
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What does having sex with a 14 year old have to do with bipolar? You get depressed or manic and decide to have sex with a 14 year old? Somehow I think there's other things involved. :roll:
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Is this the new teacher who got caught or Mary Kay Laterneau? Cause Mary Kay claimed bipolar as well.
So this teacher is also saying bipolar?
Well, I know that if you have bipolar 1, you can do some crazy assed shit during mania. Your judgement is severely impaired, and it's common to get in trouble with the law if you are having an extreme manic episode.
Fortunately for me, I have bipolar 2, so I only endure hypomania. But I've still done some really stupid assed shit, back in my 20s when I had mania almost all of the time. And it IS common to be sexually inappropriate. (I've gotten in trouble for groping before.) But I chalk that up to a combination of mania and immaturity, in my case. I know that now, no matter how manic I get, I wouldn't do the kind of shit I did when I was in my 20s. However, that's hypomania, not full-blown mania.
I have no idea whether this chick has bipolar. But a manic person could do something like that, for certain. It's hard to tell when it's a situation like this, and she's being charged with a crime, because there are so many extenuating circumstances why she could have been given this diagnosis that don't necessarily have anything to do with her mental state of being.
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Well, they put Mary Kay's butt in prison for about 7 years (bi-polar or not) and that's exactly where this other woman belongs. This was a 14 year old kid, and she was a Teacher. She's a rapist.
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Are you ready for this moron to get a book and movie deal --- just like Mary Kay Leterneau?
Trust me ... this girl is going to be rewarded big time for being a child rapist.
Welcome to America. Kids have no rights.
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Hey, man. I never said she shouldn't go to jail. She totally should. Bipolar or not.
That's the thing about being an adult with a substantial enough income or coverage to actually bother getting your ass a shrink. You should. If adults don't bother to seek diagnoses for problems they may be having, that's entirely on them. Chances are, she probably knew something was wrong way before this incident, if she truly is bipolar. If you are an adult and symptomatic you go to a doctor, whether it's a physical or mental. The only people who get a free ride, IMO, are those who are too poor or too crazy to get the help they need.
Besides, the manifestation of her mania is pathological in more ways than what can simply be chalked up to bipolar. She obviously has a thing for kids. Bipolar disorder doesn't make people pedophiles, so that whole argument the defense is concocting regarding this is a red herring as far as I'm concerned.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vili_Fualaau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vili_Fualaau)
Vili Fualaau and Mary Kay Letourneau were
married on May 20, 2005.
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On 2006-03-21 17:24:00, Eudora wrote:
Beats hell out of me. But if they find a cure, spray some of it all over Connie and Maurey, huh?
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This show:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10695627/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10695627/)
Awful.
But, Connie had a good showing as a guest
on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart Monday
night![ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-03-23 14:19 ]
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On 2006-03-22 03:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vili_Fualaau
Vili Fualaau and Mary Kay Letourneau were
married on May 20, 2005."
I know. Someone I know online actually found the link to their wedding registry! You wouldn't believe how many of the things on there were actually purchased.
One thing you have to say for Mary Kay, that woman is committed. She went to jail twice for this dude, and eventually married him. That's dedication for you. Dysfunctional dedication, but dedication nonetheless.
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Okay my theory is this. She won't be punished because she is pretty. Leternou was far from pretty. That is my theory and I am sticking to it. Why? Because if I was on the jury or judge every guy is thinking to himself he would have loved to have sex with that lady at 14. Not saying this makes it right or wrong, I just think it's interesting she gets to walk away scot free and men teachers would get a decade in prison. Weird, what does that say about our society in general....?
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This is one example where I think that people
ought to back off on judgment.
Public opinion says they met incorrectly,
illegally and immorally.
They are now married, raising their children
and making a life for themselves.
Who are we to criticize others relationships?
They, and their children, can only be hurt
by continued public criticism.
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On the other hand, I sure would like to see
their wedding registry!
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I will probbaly get flamed here; there is no question that a teacher having sex with her students is unprofessional and unethical, but it seems that the recent rash of female teachers having sex with MALE students have been entirely consensual. Every guy I spoke with said this would be his wet dream, and the only trauma would be getting caught and bringing the media and law enforcement into the situation.
I believe, of course, she should be fired for violating her professional ethics, and using the poorest of judgment.
I would be FURIOUS if this happened to my sons. But it's strange; I am more upset when female students are violated by male teachers then if boys have sex with female teachers. (Don't confuse this with thinking it's OK. It is totally wrong. But emotionally, I respond to one situation over the other.)
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Well, there are underage girls who will willingly get involved with older men, or view the relationship as consentual. It happens. Women have crushes on hot, older men, too, you know. However, whether it be male or female, I maintain that these encounters are extremely unhealthy and damaging.
The issue is the authority dynamic. It's impossible, in my opinion, for an underage boy or girl to have a relationship (or relations) on equal terms with an adult, even if they go into the encounter willingly. (The "willingly" part is also debatable, since teenagers' brains are physically not able to consider consequences like adults can. [frontal lobe isn't hooked up yet.]) They will almost always be taken advantage of, treated unfairly, and made subservient to wishes of the grown up. If they both are in agreement about something, then it is all hunky dory, but once there is a dispute, the kid's rights all but vanish. In addition, it damages how you relate to your own peers, sexually and otherwise.
I've heard testimony from women who, when they were underage, had sex with an adult male (of a significant age difference. We're not talking 18 and 16) and they swore up and down that the encounter was consentual, and they still said that it was the worst thing they ever could have done. They said they really did feel like a part of their normal development as a teen had been robbed from them.
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I just heard on the Howard Stern Show that
the case against the school teacher was
dropped.
They read her statement. She didn't blame
Bipolar Disorder, but she did say that
it contributed to her actions.
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Well, I guess that's good news for hot looking, female, pedophiles. They can offend to their heart's content, because obviously underage boys aren't vulnerable or suceptible to being taken advantage of if they enter into relations with an adult willingly. :roll:
And this kid has essentially totally ruined his teenage dating years, because he is going to be comparing every subsequent sexual encounter during his teen life to the adult he had sex with, and it just won't match.
You know, there is plenty of time to have sex with adults. You'll be able to do that most of your life. But doing it when you are still a teen just fucks everything up, because you are unable to have sexual relations with people your own age that won't be tainted by your experience with that adult. Sure, teen dating can totally suck, but if you are going to have sex in high school, I think it's important to do it with your peers. And besides, it will be the only time in your life you will be able to have sex with someone underage and not get arrested for it.
Unless, of course, you grow up to be a hot looking woman. :roll:
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Maybe this "hotlooking, female pedophile" was a real failure in the sex department, and maybe this is WHY she had to go after a 14 year old kid. Her husband might could answer that. Just because she might be considered pretty or "hot-looking" by some, doesn't mean she knows anything about sex. This kid may have taught HER a thing or two. She's a sick,criminal woman.
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On 2006-03-22 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe this "hotlooking, female pedophile" was a real failure in the sex department, and maybe this is WHY she had to go after a 14 year old kid.
I want to fuck her and find out.
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On 2006-03-22 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe this "hotlooking, female pedophile" was a real failure in the sex department, and maybe this is WHY she had to go after a 14 year old kid. Her husband might could answer that. Just because she might be considered pretty or "hot-looking" by some, doesn't mean she knows anything about sex. This kid may have taught HER a thing or two. She's a sick,criminal woman."
Who knows why people are pedophiles anyway? I don't really care. I just want them to stay the fuck away from kids.
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I want to fuck her and find out."
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I am in a public library and just
LOL when I read this ... good one!
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It seems like this is on the increase.
But, apparently, the statistics say per capita
it is going down. (no pun intended)
I think the 24 hour news organizations have
created a sort of mass hysteria. I don't think
any kids walk to school anymore. Well that is
an exageration, but there are sure a lot of
parents dropping off kids today compared to
the past.
Pedophilia by definition cannot be cured.
Politicians have resorted to charging the state
mental health departments to put them into state
criminal mental hospitals. The results have been dismal.
I guess that is because no one can cure something that is incurable.
I remember reading that one of the first things that happened after the Taliban got tossed out of Afghanistan was that the Warlords immediately retrieved, or picked out, their new child lovers. It was gross to read, and friggin astonishing. BTW - that didn't seem to bother our President.
Anyway it makes me wonder if humans just have a percentage of this perversion, or anomoly.
It is not a cure, or a suggestion, because I don't have one.
At least recognizing the core root of the problem may help.
Another weird quirk is that apparently when kids are molested, and they become molesters themselves they are attracted to the same age as when they where violated. Weird, friggin, weird. Instead of being repulsed, they do it themselves.
Anyway, what the fuck to I know.
Putting them into others neighborhoods, or counties, certainly is no solution. Neither is jail sentences where they get out and do it again.
Perspective rant over and out!
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I think when it comes mental illness people
have symptoms that they can rationize and
accept from the sick person.
Other symptoms are either too repulsive, or
criminal, and then rejected.
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The kid should sue the woman and the school district. Hey it's america, mine as well get rich off this shit.
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It's not the school district's fault. I know I had to clear comprehensive criminal background checks before I became a teacher... including DUI. The responsible party is the perp.
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On 2006-03-23 15:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's not the school district's fault. I know I had to clear comprehensive criminal background checks before I became a teacher... including DUI. The responsible party is the perp."
Nonetheless, the school district will probably end up getting sued. Because someone will argue that, through those extensive criminal record and background checks, this chick should have been screened out. Even if there was no way to tell, which I argue is probably the case.
Do I think it's the school district's fault? Absolutely not. But "victims" and their circles are always looking for someone to blame, and the more people they can blame, the better. I'd say the odds are pretty high that someone's going to say "hey, let's sue the school district!"
Can you seriously call this kid a victim in the first place? I mean, have you seen this teacher on tv? Are you trying to tell me it's not every horny little 14 year old boys dream to sleep with their bombshell teacher? This kid's not gonna be "scarred for life", he'll be braggin' about this when he's sittin' up in his college dorm room tellin' stories with his buddies.
If anyone should sue anyone, I should sue fornits for making me miss so much class material when I sit here and post instead of learning about Bayes' Theorem. Damn fornits.
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This woman molested a kid, and was sentenced to 3 years house arrest? Now who wouldn't like to sit home for 3 years and not work?
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On 2006-03-23 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This woman molested a kid, and was sentenced to 3 years house arrest? Now who wouldn't like to sit home for 3 years and not work?"
Me
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On 2006-03-23 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This woman molested a kid, and was sentenced to 3 years house arrest? Now who wouldn't like to sit home for 3 years and not work?"
You lazy fucker. Who the fuck would wanna be stuck at their house for 3 years? Guess we have a little insight into YOUR social life.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-03-23 15:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's not the school district's fault. I know I had to clear comprehensive criminal background checks before I became a teacher... including DUI. The responsible party is the perp."
That is common sense.
In US law the deep pocket will pay.
The school district will be found negligent
in their supervision of nymphomaniac hot blonde teachers.
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On 2006-03-23 16:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This woman molested a kid, and was sentenced to 3 years house arrest? Now who wouldn't like to sit home for 3 years and not work?"
Me"
Another public library LOL ... thanks!
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In US law the deep pocket will pay.
The deep pockets of the school district? I know... the education system is such a cash cow in this country.
Unless they end up garnishing the wages of the fucking BMW driving beaurocrats on the totally useless, superfluous school board, I don't think they will be getting much money.
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On 2006-03-23 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 15:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It's not the school district's fault. I know I had to clear comprehensive criminal background checks before I became a teacher... including DUI. The responsible party is the perp."
That is common sense.
In US law the deep pocket will pay.
The school district will be found negligent
in their supervision of nymphomaniac hot blonde teachers."
Hahaha!! How's the weather under that rock??
I guess all the art and music programs are getting cut from schools nationwide because the school systems have so much surplus money. I guess teachers are having their health benefits slashed because of those deep pockets.
Are you the same person who said they wouldn't mind getting locked in their house for 3 years? I wouldn't be surprised.
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Cities and counties pay out lots of money in
lost lawsuits. Courts don't give a shit if
some budget is lean. The larger organization
will pay.
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On 2006-03-23 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Cities and counties pay out lots of money in
lost lawsuits. Courts don't give a shit if
some budget is lean. The larger organization
will pay. "
Regardless, their pockets aren't deep, which I do believe was your original point.
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Oh, OK, now I know what you mean. We agree.
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On 2006-03-23 20:02:00, dniceo7 wrote:
Hahaha!! How's the weather under that rock??
I guess all the art and music programs are getting cut from schools nationwide because the school systems have so much surplus money. I guess teachers are having their health benefits slashed because of those deep pockets.
Are you the same person who said they wouldn't mind getting locked in their house for 3 years? I wouldn't be surprised. "
Oh, the money is there! It's just not going to the teachers or any other helpful personnel.
National education budget $69.4 billion (2006)
The United States Department of Education released a statement recently detailing the average cost per pupil in public and private schools and found that the average public school cost was approximatly USD$7,200 per student while the average private school cost per pupil was just USD$3,500. The Department of Education also stated that less than 25% of private schools are considered "elite", costing more than $10,000 a year. In contrast, private schools in East Asia average around USD$1,400 per year.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_ ... ted_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_United_States)
The trouble is that administration personnel outnumber teachers. Schooling is not about education anyway. It's about compliance. Why in the hell do you think they've established police substations on damned near campus in the country? What's with the metal detectors and barbed wire fences?
Check out John Taylor Gatto's The Underground History of American Education
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/toc1.htm)
Since the State and Fed only contribute about 10% to the typical public school budget, I think they should only have about 10% of the vote in how we run our schools. Better still! Quit sending them
%50 of our income in the first place and tell them to pound sand next time they come offering to "help" us.
Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999
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diabetics have the responsibility for taking insulin taking blood tests and eating properly. mood swingers should develop this too
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Mental illness is used as an excuse by the legal defense team all the time.
While it is true that mania makes you hornier than usual, it is not true that the person with mania has no control over their behavior.
Also, there is a very wide spectrum of the intensity of mood episodes that someone with bipolar disorder (manic depression) - and different categories of the illness as well. Bipolar I includes extreme mood swings. But those swings might be one in a few years or daily. The frequency of swings depends on the case too. Bipolar II, which is what I have, has small mood swings, usually triggered by something like new job anxiety or lack of sleep over several days.
So I agree with posters who feel that this teacher, if she does indeed have bipolar disorder, really has two things going on. One is being horny brought about by the mania. The other is poor judgement. The two are completely different problems.
To not hire a teacher because you find out they have "bipolar" is discrimination, because if that teacher has a light case, it may actually work to their advantage since there seems to be a link between bipolar and creativity. So one teacher might not be appropriate if they have extreme mood swings to be a teacher. While another might be able to be teacher of the year.
http://www.bipolarworld.net/Bipolar%20D ... /art14.htm (http://www.bipolarworld.net/Bipolar%20Disorder/Articles/art14.htm)
Take a look at that list of famous bipolars. At the bottom of the page you have to click to go to the next page, there are 4 or 5 pages.
Then ask yourself if these people might have made great teachers. Larry Flint, Emenem, and Ozzy Osborne? Most likely not. But Larry King (not listed), Jane Pauley, and Mike Wallace? I think so. So it really just depends on the person.
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I agree with everything you said except
dismissing promiscuity and poor judgement.
If these weren't real problems then they
would not be part of the syndrome.
I think you may be mixing up the current
laws, and public decision, that we are
always responsible for our actions, regardless
of our mental illness.
The only way to not be responsible by law,
is NGI, or not guilty by reason of insanity.
Otherwise all of us that went broke spending
money recklessly, lost jobs, irritated people,
fucked up relationships, fucked anything that
moved, etc. are influenced by the illness,
but nonetheless responsible for our actions.
I am glad she is getting therapy rather than
jail.
Our jails just make criminal our of the incarcerated.
The recidivism rate is so bad that it is obviously a failed ... correctional system.
Therapy would do more to correct, or control
her Bipolar Disorder and impusle control that
sitting in a cell for five years.
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No Way Out Trapped by Rules, The Mentally Ill Languish in Prison
For Such Felons, Parole Is Rare, Recidivism Is Probable; Lack of State Hospitals
'It Scares the Hell Out of Me'
By GARY FIELDS
May 3, 2006; Page A1
LEXINGTON, Okla. -- Jesse James, a mentally ill prisoner, squinted into the gleaming sunlight toward the six-story guard station towering over Joseph Harp Correctional Center.
"Kojack is up there in that tower right now, listening," said Mr. James, looking up. "He's got a rifle too. He wants me dead."
[Jesse James]
Kojack isn't "Kojak" of the famous TV series. Mr. James, 59 years old, who is bipolar, paranoid and schizophrenic, believes that a medical aide called Kojack -- spelled with a "c," he insists -- has been stalking him for decades and has implanted a listening device in his prostate.
Nearly 16 years after robbing a convenience store, Mr. James has been rejected for parole three times. Because his sentence tops 100 years, parole is his only path out of prison. At his next hearing in December 2007, he will likely be rejected again. He has a history of prison-rule violations, stemming largely from his illness, and even if his record were clean, there are few qualified institutions to take him in. That alone would be grounds to deny his application.
For years American prisons have been grappling with a surge in the ranks of mentally ill prisoners, caused in part by the shuttering of state-run mental-health facilities a generation ago. The Joseph Harp prison spotlights an often-overlooked aspect of that problem: how it has become self-perpetuating. Once imprisoned, mentally ill inmates are rarely paroled. Some "max out" their sentence, serving at least 85% of their term, and are released. With nowhere to go, and with a recidivism rate higher than that of the general prison population, they often end up back where they started.
Of the mentally ill prisoners housed at Joe Harp, as it is known, none are likely to be paroled, says James Keithley, the prison's psychologist and clinical coordinator. And then, if a violent inmate completes his sentence and is discharged, "Where do I send him? Mama don't want him," Dr. Keithley says. "If they act up here, you know what will happen if they're released. It scares the hell out of me."
In recent years, Oklahoma has had a dramatic increase in mentally ill prisoners, in part because it only recently shuttered state-run, mental-health facilities. According to the state, the number of inmates on psychiatric medications more than tripled between 1998 and 2005 to 4,017. The system's budget for such medication climbed even faster, growing from $154,000 a year to more than $2 million, in part because of the growing number of medications available. By comparison, the overall prison population rose 14% to 23,205.
The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates there are 300,000 people suffering from mental illness in state and federal prisons, compared with 70,000 in state psychiatric facilities. "Our jails and prisons are our largest mental-health facilities now," says U.S. Sen. Mike DeWine, a Republican from Ohio who has co-authored bills to create federal programs to improve services for mentally ill inmates.
[James Keithley]
Dr. Keithley, 50, has worked in the prison world since 1983, leaving once for several years to get his Ph.D. His voice is low and soothing, an asset when trying to coax information out of reticent patients. When he receives an emergency call to assess an inmate threatening nurses and doctors at a county hospital an hour away, he rearranges his schedule so he can drive there. "There's no such thing as a normal day here," he says.
For male prisoners in the state, Joe Harp is the primary facility providing mental-health care. About 440 of the prison's 1,100 inmates are on psychiatric medication. Officials here estimate that medication in total costs $30,000 a month.
The guard tower, the tallest structure for miles around excepting the water tower of a nearby prison, looks down on scores of inmates standing in line for their evening medication. It takes more than two hours for the last inmate in the line to make his way to the infirmary.
Among those are about 100 inmates from the intermediate unit, one of two mental-health sections at Joe Harp. Prisoners there have been stabilized to some degree and are temporarily allowed out of their unit.
Even these inmates can be unpredictable. Last year, one tried to commit suicide by tying an electrical cord around his neck and jumping from the second tier. Misjudging the distance and length of cord required, he hit the deck of the first floor. As the lone officer on duty ran to the area, the inmate limped back upstairs and jumped again. He misjudged the distance once more and broke his foot. Another time an inmate set a fire in his cell and took the responding officer hostage, periodically slashing him with a blade from a disposable razor.
Prison Within a Prison
The most unstable inmates are housed in "Fantasy Island," the nickname for the acute-care unit. Surrounded by a 12-foot fence, it's a prison within a prison for 108. The walls, made of unbreakable glass, allow staff to see most of the unit at a glance. There is a four-point restraint table where uncontrollable inmates can be tied down until they're calm.
With temperatures in the teens one day earlier this year, few inmates ventured outside. Many milled around a recreation area in the zombie-like gait of the heavily medicated. Others, visibly agitated, paced back and forth and stared through the glass.
Those considered too unpredictable and uncontrollable ever to be free are locked behind thick doors with small windows. Screams, moans and chanting are normal. The noise level rises as the sun goes down and before the medication kicks in. One inmate believes he is in a prisoner of war camp in Vietnam while another screams that communists are taking over the facility. He believes two of the officers on the unit are Nikita Khrushchev and Fidel Castro.
A couple of years ago, one resident of the acute-care unit sculpted figurines out of his feces. Another feigned a catatonic episode and nearly bit off the tip of an officer's nose. Earlier this year, officers had to forcibly remove and shower an inmate who refused to clean himself.
The prisoners in "Fantasy Island," almost never get paroled. Behind each decision is a hard question: Should the prison records of the mentally ill be treated like those of any other inmate?
"The [parole] board here in Oklahoma is conservative towards these types of issues and unfortunately they judge the mentally ill like they judge the rest of the inmates in the system," says J.D. Daniels, deputy director of the Oklahoma Pardon and Parole Board. The board looks at the initial crime, the overall institutional record -- which, in the case of the mentally ill, is often poor -- and whether the inmate has anywhere to go if released.
Changing Ideas
Many states, responding to budget pressures and changing ideas about how to treat mental disorders, closed their residential mental institutions. Oklahoma was one of the last. It shuttered Western State Hospital in Fort Supply in 1997 and turned over the inpatient psychiatric hospital at Eastern State Hospital in Vinita to the Department of Corrections, a process completed in 2001.
The idea was that community agencies would take over treating and monitoring these patients but in almost all cases they haven't picked up the slack. The number of long-term, non-criminal psychiatric patients housed in Oklahoma's state facilities is about 200, a fraction of the 1,300 they held in the 1980s, according to the state's department of mental health. Griffin Memorial, the remaining state hospital, houses about 162 of those but generally only for two weeks at a time until patients are judged stable enough to be released into the community.
There are private and community facilities where families can pay to have a patient placed, but most are not for the indigent. These organizations are also reluctant to take in people released from prison with mental problems, Dr. Keithley said.
Jesus House, which helps people who are homeless and mentally ill, is one of the few shelters in Oklahoma City that takes in ex-felons. The facility has 70 beds and usually has one or two ex-felons among the residents, says Executive Director Jan Mercer. "I could fill up another couple hundred beds if I had them," she says.
Corrections and mental-health officials are trying to ease the situation by developing new programs, such as mental-health courts that would steer some mentally ill defendants away from prison.
In his prison photos, Mr. James, the Joe Harp inmate, looks like a 1920s gangster. In person, he is a small, thin man with weather-beaten features. A native of southern Oklahoma, just north of the Texas border, he committed a raft of burglaries in the 1970s and, not yet diagnosed, spent until 1990 in Texas prisons.
On Aug. 16, 1991, he went into a Colbert, Okla., convenience store shortly after 8 p.m. and pulled a knife on the clerk. He fled on foot through the back door with checks and cash from the register. A state trooper caught him a few minutes later less than a mile away trying to hide in some weeds. Drunk, he confessed immediately. He wanted to flee his nemesis -- Kojack -- he says now.
Since then, Mr. James has spent time at several facilities in the prison system where he often violated behavioral rules. Infractions range from smuggling contraband such as cigarettes to disruptive behavior and disobedience. He also has several attempted escapes on record. Once he tried to hop the 12-foot fence surrounding the acute-care unit. The guard tower has authority to shoot but the officer that day recognized Mr. James and stopped. "He wasn't trying to escape," Dr. Keithley explains. "He was trying to get away from Kojack." Mr. James's most recent infractions include refusing to provide a urine sample. Last June, he was caught smoking -- tea. Smoking of any kind is banned.
All this weighs heavily against his chances of parole. His file reads: "There's no place for him in the community. The defendant's mental illness compounds the defendant's unpredictably causing him to be a great threat to society."
In conversation, Mr. James is lucid as he talks about living outside on his own. He gets agitated, however, when talking about Kojack. He says he has lost weight because he can't sleep. Kojack has "been bugging the hell out of me. He's taken my life from me."
Warden Mike Addison says Mr. James would have to be paroled to a mental-health unit, and since there aren't any government-run places like that available, "he'll stay here with us. He'll be with us the rest of his life."
Michael Bruton is a mentally ill prisoner who has been paroled a few times before winding up back in jail again. His crimes have been minor -- usually involving worthless or stolen checks totaling no more than $800 -- and his behavior in prison often exemplary. In the past, he lived with relatives or in state mental institutions.
The fifth of seven children, Mr. Bruton left school without graduating in 1972 and enlisted in the Army. There, he had a nervous breakdown, according to Mr. Bruton and his prison records.
As he was being discharged, military doctors suggested he take Thorazine and Cogentin, two drugs that help control schizophrenia and the tremors that come on when he gets nervous. It was the first time any medication had been suggested for him. For years after, he resisted the idea. "I used to be ashamed to take medication because they teased you," he says, referring to people in general. "They'd say you're doing the Thorazine shuffle."
Instead, Mr. Bruton turned to alcohol and drugs. His first crime came in April 1976. Then 20, he was living in El Reno, Okla., when he wrote a $20 check to a crafts store in town even though he didn't have a bank account. He wrote another check for $40 to a grocery store and a third for $21.50 to another business.
Over the years he would go back to jail or prison for infractions from setting his cell on fire to stealing $15 worth of gas from an El Reno Wag-A-Bag grocery store. He stole a Wizard sewing machine from a family member.
With his spotless, wrinkle-free uniform, neatly trimmed goatee and amiable manner, Mr. Bruton is well liked here. He greets people as an old friend and shakes hands vigorously.
Mr. Bruton's smile vanishes, though, when he talks about his imaginary gunfights. On many mornings, including that day, after Mr. Bruton makes his bed and heads to his job picking up trash in the yard, he imagines he is a gunfighter, say prison officials. With knees bent and hands hovering over a make-believe holster on his hips, Mr. Bruton stares at his adversary, usually one of the guards. Then, as prison officials describe it, he laughs hysterically before sobbing uncontrollably.
Asked about the incidents, the 6-foot-4 inmate, with braids dangling from his scalp, stares menacingly before blurting out: "What are you talking about? I don't do that...I'm not Quick Draw McGraw."
Mr. Bruton, 50, has been in jail since 2000 on a 10-year term for using a stolen credit card. He is scheduled for a parole hearing in May 2007 but he likely won't get out because of his lengthy, albeit non-violent, record as well as his mental-health status. Even if he crosses those two hurdles, he doesn't have any place to go. His mother, with whom he used to live, suffers from schizophrenia and is in a nursing home.
Dr. Keithley says he would rather Mr. Bruton be paroled and put on supervision than be allowed to finish his sentence and simply dissolve into the outside population. "The parole board doesn't necessarily see it that way," the doctor says. "He deserves to have a better life than being crazy."
Maurice Smith is one of the prisoners who most worries Dr. Keithley. Mr. Smith, who is schizophrenic, has been at Joe Harp on a drug-possession charge since June 2004 and has been in and out of prison since 1989. At the age of 16, he was convicted in an adult court for dropping a rock on a passing car from a train trestle. His other crimes included car burglaries to fund a drug habit.
Mr. Smith has been eligible for parole but was passed over. In September, though, he will be released after completing his sentence.
His record doesn't suggest he's a violent man, but he talks about how he has threatened his mother with a knife when she hasn't given him money. He also gouges himself with his fingernails, according to prison records. At 5 feet 9 inches and less than 130 pounds, he is a small man and looks older than his 33 years. He says his fear is to be moved into the general prison population where he couldn't protect himself from stronger inmates. "I can't fight," he says.
"When the day comes for him to be released, we've got to let him out," Dr. Keithley says, sighing and shaking his head. The doctor says he'll refer Mr. Smith to whatever treatment is available in Tulsa and will warn the man's mother that he may be violent. He also plans to introduce Mr. Smith to the Program for Assertive Community Treatment, a pilot program that tries to monitor ex-offenders.
The prison will discharge Mr. Smith with two weeks of medication that Mr. Smith says he won't take, because a "genie in my rectum" told him he doesn't need it. He says he has heard the genie for as long as he can remember. Throughout his life, he says, he has used drugs and alcohol to quiet the voice.
Having served his time, Mr. Smith won't be under court supervision. "I won't have to take any drug tests," he says. Asked why that's important, he answers bluntly: "Because I want to do drugs. I like crack and marijuana and drinking."
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On 2006-03-23 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 16:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This woman molested a kid, and was sentenced to 3 years house arrest? Now who wouldn't like to sit home for 3 years and not work?"
You lazy fucker. Who the fuck would wanna be stuck at their house for 3 years? Guess we have a little insight into YOUR social life. "
Apparenly being stuck at home under house arrest didn't stop her from texting messages to the boy and him personal dance movies.
At this point, any doubts you might have about her predatory nature kind of have to be looked at bit.
What kind of message does this send to the kids -that girls are worth protecting but boys are not? Hardly fair.
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Well 6 years ago I was fully manic for one week, that is when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder for the first time. Bipolar I, which is the stronger category. Prior, I did have a few bouts with depression, but I didn't take anti depressants for more than a year.
I didn't sexually assault anyone during that extreme manic phase, let alone a child. I didn't go out trying to cheat on my wife. My wife did report the best sex she ever had that week.
And in the years since that first extreme event, I've been more of a light Bipolar II level - and yes I have fantasies of getting together with local college age girls and what not, but I don't act on them. I have never cheated on my wife. If I looked like Tom Cruise I probably would have had more opportunities to do so. However, there is one very important point here - even if I did take flirtation up a notch to actually cheated on my wife, it would not be with a minor.
Therefore, bipolar disorder and pedophilia are not linked. Show me the research and statistics showing a linkage. This woman has broken the law and is a pedophile in addition to having manic episodes which make her hornier than usual. Sure behavior modification psychotherapy will hopefully change her behavior, yet she needs to go to jail to face the same consequence any convicted pedophile faces, or she'll probably do it again but just under the radar screen the next time.
Again, if you look at the long list of famous bipolars, you'll note that they are not pedophiles. So this pedophile is using the excuse of bipolar for her get out of jail free card, leaving the rest of us bipolars with even more stigma and discrimination than we had before.
When I was fully manic, I felt on the same level as Jesus, I was not going around panting at sexy women.
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I've done some research on the Internet and found some clarification of a few things.
1. http://bipolar.about.com (http://bipolar.about.com) seems to think that sexual addiction can happen with people with bipolar. I'm not sure if there is data to support that. But it's possible.
2. Pedophilia has 2 different definitions in the world, one is pre-puberty children (elementary school) and the other includes adolescents (high school) - while middle school is kind of a grey area. In the US, we include pedophilia to include consentual sex between adults and adolescents as well as pre-puberty children. But in most countries this is not the case. If you look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia) you'll see the age of consent is the most conservative in the US. In Canada, it is 14. In the US, 18 in many cases but not all as some states are less. (There are some conditions for some states or countries depending on how many years older the older person or adult is.) It looks to me that 14 is the most common age of consent, followed by 16.
So if LaFave was in another country, she would not have committed a crime.
I think biology can explain why older men are attracted to younger women. As women get older, they get less and less fertile, and if you look at the chart of birth defects to age of a woman, younger women have less birth defects of babies as well. It makes biological sense for a man to be attracted to younger women.
Morally and due to the fact that we are not apes, we are human beings, we should know that high school students are still children in terms of their psychological growth, and that as such they are off limits.
While a man (or woman) who wants to do it with an elementary school aged child is clearly deviant and that behavior can't be explained by biology = a true pedophile.
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In the case of La Fave, she has a sexual addiction. Which may or may not be related to having bipolar disorder.
However, I do not believe sexual addiction is insanity.
Therefore I do not believe it should hold any water in court as to her breaking the law in the state in which she resides.
Thus in my opinion she should serve the normal jail time for statutory rape, as well as receive mandatory sex addiction counseling afterwards.
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Also, wouldn't you think that a 25 year old woman with a sexual addiction (I guess you could call her a nympho maniac), even if her addiction tends towards taboo fantasies (such as 14 year old boys), could have satisfied her addiction by going to a bar after work and flirting with some college age young men? Even 21 year old men? Looking like she does it would not have been a problem for her to get satisfied legally.
Therefore, since you don't hear in the news that statutory rapists are all bipolar, and you hear first hand from those of us who have it and know that it doesn't cause out of control behavior to the extreme of statutory rape from our personal experience that we have never been out of control in this manner, it seems to me that La Fave just made a concious choice to break the law.
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And finally, if she were insane that day she did choose to break the law consciously, how could she have been teaching? I do not believe that insanity and teaching go together on the same day.
I rest my case. I should probably study law, I'd make a lot more money that what I make now...
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Now as far as my case is concerned, and bipolar is not a one size fits all illness, so I don't know about others' cases, but in my case I would say that I am hypersexual in terms of attractive women getting my attention more than normal. I can look at a woman and her various curves more than normal. And when I was younger I did not have this problem. However I have never broken the law. I read up on sexual harrassment and I have found that staring at women is a form of sexual harrassment. So even though logically you might think if a woman dresses in tight clothing that she'd want to be stared at, that just isn't the case, with the exeption perhaps of the man or men she is or wants to mate with I would guess. And so I will from now on make a conscious effort to avert eye contact as quickly as possible from said round body parts and remember to look the woman in the eyes instead when talking to them or look away if not talking to them.
And yes the way some high school aged girls dress and look, I'd admit that they can get my unconscious attention as well. I subscribe to the definition of pedophile as being someone who would want to do it with an elementary school aged child, and this is not my case at all. And morally and in terms of the high school student's psychological development, I would not want to do it with a high school student (i.e. as with the example of American Pie, the movie.)
The point is in this thread that I don't think there is any mental illness that makes a person have sex with another person - I believe that is a conscious choice, particularly in the case of doing it with a high school student which all teachers know is against the law. Mania in it's most extreme form can progress to psychosis, but it is more of a delusional psychosis, it has nothing to do with an "insanity" where you can't control who you date.
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However, I'd say that in my case, there have been some times when I surfed porn on the internet for hours. Not a daily problem but the times I did it I'd get hooked for hours. That is probably sexual addiction. I fixed the problem by purchasing the http://www.bsafe.com (http://www.bsafe.com) web filter. I noticed that some of the online porn providers will put in links to material and you get to some links and don't realize it is linking you to porn of a minor girl. This does not interest me and I hit the back button in my browser. So I think I'm normal all except for the staring thing.
And part of the staring problem for me might be the part that is just appreciating beauty. I stare at sunsets and mountains and flowers and nature as well. I think beauty and sexiness are blended together - as an artist probably sees women that he paints.
Anyhow, I would think that a man who likes to view porn of girls that are obviously too young to be sexually attractive to most men is a pedophile, even if the girl is at an age where it might be past the age of consent in some countries. I think that might be the acid test for pedophilia. Because the same girl in certain clothing might have some appeal based on the fashions she is wearing creating an illusion of being older.
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I would have to say that I have also experienced compulsion when it comes to sex, especially when I was going through periods of mania. This specifically manifested itself as anonymous encounters, although I did have a few "regulars". I went through a period where I was obsessively getting trade several times a day. It's obviously risky, in terms of getting an STD, getting caught by police (if you are in a public area like a park) or running into someone who might go Jeffery Dahmer on you, chop you up into little pieces and put you in his refrigerator, and I think there is an element to that risk that is somewhat thrilling to people.
I think that to some extent, a lot of fags go through this. We're just horny like that.
Then there is the other side, where I lapse into depression and I am in complete hibernation sex-wise, sometimes for years. Then I will come out of it for a few months and be on a fuck-frenzy, then go back into dormancy when autumn hits. I swear, I feel like I'm on the same mating cycle as the seven year cicada.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... t=Citation (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12693435&dopt=Citation)
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Teacher With Porn Past Hopes For Bible-Belt Forgiveness
Some Parents Attend Rally To Support Teacher
Should a Kentucky high school teacher have been fired for being in an adult movie 11 years ago?
Yes, she should not be teaching children.
6%, votes counted: 2,875
No, it was in her past.
94%, votes counted: 47,480
May 8, 2006
PADUCAH, Ky. -- A teacher in Kentucky is considering what to do about being fired from her job after officials learned she appeared in an adult movie more than 10 years ago.
Tericka Dye told WKYX in Paducah that she was in the adult entertainment business for only a matter of hours, recognized her mistake, and turned her life around.
Dye said that she's now a Christian and wants the Bible Belt community to practice forgiveness.
Some parents are supporting Dye.
Bonnie Chilcoat took her daughter out of school to attend an impromptu rally for the suspended teacher.
"She's not the person she was 10 years ago," said Chilcoat. "We've all done things that we regret, except hers is on tape."
Dye said she has bipolar disorder and agreed to appear in the 1995 movie because she had no home or income and her disease wasn't being treated.
She said she "absolutely 100 percent regrets doing that."
She said she's trying now to look ahead and not focus on it.
Dye had taught science at Reidland High School for the last two years. She was also a volleyball coach.
But school officials recently learned that Dye participated in the adult film when she was 23.
http://www.10news.com/2006/0505/9165569.jpg (http://www.10news.com/2006/0505/9165569.jpg)
Schools Superintendent Tim Heller said he decided to fire Dye because her presence in the classroom would be a distraction. Her pay was also suspended for the rest of the school year.
http://www.mccracken.k12.ky.us/RHS/home.htm (http://www.mccracken.k12.ky.us/RHS/home.htm)
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http://www.lyricsfreak.com/v/van-halen/142736.html (http://www.lyricsfreak.com/v/van-halen/142736.html)
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Dr. Diana York Blaine is a professor of Women's Studies and a self-described "philosopher, writer, adventurer, and buttkicker."
NBC Los Angeles reported that Blaine's personal Web site includes a trio of topless photos of the professor. A university spokesperson was caught off-guard when asked about Dr. Blaine's pictorial and forwarded NBC Los Angeles a copy of the university policy.
The USC Web policy stated, "The content of individual Web pages is primarily a matter of free speech and academic freedom that must be protected in a university environment.
"The University will not be held responsible for the content of personal Web pages. Personal Web pages shall not imply that they are representing or speaking on behalf of the University."
NBC Los Angeles reported that USC did not say if there was a code of conduct for its professors that extended beyond this policy, but school officials said they would be looking into the matter further.
http://www.dianablaine.com/ (http://www.dianablaine.com/)
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Good for her, I hope she does not
get in trouble, and leave the site
up!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dianayorkb ... s/1347140/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dianayorkblaine/sets/1347140/)
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Her site is still up, bravo!
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USC Professor: Topless Photos Provide Lesson
May 10, 2006
LOS ANGELES -- A University of Southern California professor told an NBC affiliate in Los Angeles that the topless photos of herself that she posted on her personal Web site provide a lesson.
Dr. Diana York Blaine is a professor of women's studies and a self-described "Philosopher, Writer, Adventurer, and buttkicker." NBC4's Cary Berglund reported that her personal Web site has three topless photos of the professor.
"I realize that they are provocative, in so far as sex sells, and we have eroticized the female body in this culture," she said. "We have a kind of an adolescent, 'Look: naked breast' attitude. At the same time, I'm trying to naturalize the female body so that we don't have that reaction."
Berglund said a university spokesperson was caught off guard when asked for a reaction to Blaine's pictorial and forwarded NBC4 a copy of the university policy:
"The content of individual Web pages is primarily a matter of free speech and academic freedom that must be protected in a university environment. The University will not be held responsible for the content of personal Web pages. Personal Web pages shall not imply that they are representing or speaking on behalf of the University."
Berglund said USC would not say whether there was a code of conduct for its professors that extended beyond the stated policy on personal webpages.
NBC4 learned of the photos through a student blog.
"Of course I knew they'd draw attention," Blaine said. "I didn't know they'd draw this much attention, but I'm comfortable with it because today I know who I am and why I do what I do."
Blaine said she hopes that the pictures will prompt more women to be accepting of their bodies.
"The feminist theory has enabled me to realize, 'Oh, there's nothing wrong with me,'" Blaine said. "It's the cultural expectations of this kind of artificial woman that no one is and we don't need to be."
Blaine said the images led to inquiries from the adult entertainment industry.
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She has been married for one year,
and is being interviewed on the
Today show this morning.
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Sex is EVIL they shouldn't even be talking about it in school!!!!
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I had several consensual sexual experiences with much older men when I was 15-19, and I must say that the only experiences I would consider to have been damaging or un-healthy....were the ones in between, with men of, or near, my own age.
I think I can make a good case for this because I am also a product of sexual abuse at an even younger age. So it would stand to reason that I would have been averted to sex with older men, or even opposed to sex at all.
The bottom line is every situation has its own intricacies and circumstances that cannot possibly be covered by one set of rules or one point of view. Historically, women were considered spinsters if they werent married and burping out children by the age of 19 or 20. You would have to agree that there were many women who were not ready for that, as well as many women who were ready long since. You cant possibly throw it all in the same "age barrel". Logic doesnt support it.
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I am happy for them!
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Ex-Clairemont teacher pleads not guilty to sex, drug charges
SIGNONSANDIEGO NEWS SERVICES
4:06 p.m. June 14, 2006
SAN DIEGO ? A former Clairemont High School teacher, who allegedly had a sexual relationship with one of her male students and gave him cocaine and alcohol, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to 15 charges.
Danielle Marie Walls, 27, faces up to 16 years in state prison if convicted, said Deputy District Attorney Dwayne Moring.
Superior Court Judge David Szumowski denied the prosecution's argument that additional charges in the case merited raising the defendant's bail from the amount she posted after her arrest ? $65,000 ?to $287,000.
The prosecutor said the 16-year-old victim was in the defendant's 10th grade history class in 2004. The teacher was an ?out-of-control cocaine fiend? at the time, Moring alleged.
The prosecutor said Walls carried on a sexual relationship with the victim for several months, during which time they had sexual intercourse 10 to 25 times.
Walls and the boy engaged in sex acts in at least four hotels between April 2004 and the end of that summer, Moring alleged.
?The defendant violated all legal, professional and ethical standards regarding the proper conduct between a minor and an adult,? the prosecutor told the judge.
Moring said the evidence in the case ? which he deemed significant ?includes hotel and credit card receipts, cell phone records, statements from the alleged victim and several other students and text messages that were sent during ?all hours of the day.?
The victim's family reported the alleged crimes to police, Moring said.
About three weeks ago, the boy's sister wore a ?wire? and recorded a conversation with Walls that was monitored by San Diego police officers, the prosecutor said.
During the May 25 conversation, the sister told Walls that it was going to cost at least $15,000 for her brother's rehabilitation, and the defendant offered some money toward that end, Moring told reporters outside court.
?There was no extortion,? the prosecutor said.
Szumowski refused to raise bail for the defendant, saying he hoped that money would be better spent ultimately going toward restitution to the alleged victim and his sister.
The judge ordered Walls to have no contact with the boy, his sister or anyone under 18.
Szumowski asked the prosecutor why it took so long to file charges in the case.
Moring said the District Attorney's Office filed charges shortly after the allegations against Walls came to light.
?It's not uncommon in these situations to have victims come forward years later,? the prosecutor said outside court.
Moring said Walls gave the alleged victim cocaine on one occasion and tried to give him more another time.
She is charged with five counts of oral copulation of a person under 18; six counts of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor more than three years younger; offering to furnish a controlled substance to a minor; furnishing a controlled substance to a minor; and two counts of furnishing alcohol to a minor.
Defense attorney Jan Ronis told the judge that Walls ? who is living with her parents ? has had no contact with the alleged victim in more than two years.
The defendant told the judge she had been working as a real estate agent after resigning her teaching post a year ago.
Szumowski ordered Walls to return to court July 26 for a readiness conference and Aug. 8 for a preliminary hearing.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metr ... ersex.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060614-1606-teachersex.html)