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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on March 13, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
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Bumper Stickers to be made and distributed amongs monkeywrenchers/punks/church groups/bored high schoolers for base distribution in the Cincinnatti area:
KIDS HELPING KIDS = STRAIGHT, INC.
END THIRTY YEARS OF CHILD ABUSE!
thestraights.com
MILFORD'S DIRTY LITTLE SECRET:
KIDS HELPING KIDS = P.O.W. BRAINWASHING
thestraights.com
We want the message out there, everywhere. Call the job if you are doing it.
Please post your direct action ideas here.
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Smaller stickers would be good for people to put on their hat or shirt.
Also, if someone would like to post how to make a template for easily spray painting this sort of message on walls, easy graffiti, fun.
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We also encourage people in the Cincinnatti area to have this message tatooed on one or both forearms.
Just to further get this message out once the weather warms up and everyone is wearing short sleaves. fun.
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All great ideas; keep 'em coming! :tup:
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Find a local band that needs a cause and see if they want to do a fundraiser to pay for the stickers or other projects. What we really need is for KHK vets around the area to hook up w/ each other. It's pretty damned hard to create a sustained presence when everybody's got to make an overnight trip of it.
The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen
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Start a political movement, get me elected as Governor of Ohio, and the problem will soon go away. All we need is oh, $50 million or so to cover advertising costs.......
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Start making donations or else... :skull:
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The Drug Free America Foundation
is the Root of All Evil
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On 2006-03-16 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Drug Free America Foundation
is the Root of All Evil
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Yes but through bumper stickers, graffiti and tattoos, we can shut this place down for good people.
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D.A.R.E. to protect your children
from the Drug Free America Foundation
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On 2006-03-16 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-16 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The Drug Free America Foundation
is the Root of All Evil
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Yes but through bumper stickers, graffiti and tattoos, we can shut this place down for good people."
Yes, all that, plus inaccurately presumptive sarcasm.
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Talk about timing. Have a look at the paragraph to the right. Unbelievable. http://http://www.pathwayfamilycenter.org/
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This is okay, we just have to move quick folks. First of all, we have to get the word on the streets, so that we can now tag over the KHK graffiti with anti-Pathway slogans. This isn't the worst thing that could have happened to us people, many of us have seen much worse. We all just to pull together under these unfortunate circumstances.
Please keep each other posted on things as they develope. We can't let this merger take us down.
I'll be working on the bumper stickers in the meantime.
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Lick my meat-wallet
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I am new to this subject. Just a few days ago, I found myself at a bookstore trying to find some kind of book on sociology to try to figure out what avenue I want to take with my career which is to help kids. I stumbled upon Maia Szalavitz's "Help At Any Cost", I've only just begun my research on this horrific issue. Upon barely entering into the first chapter, I now find myself searching the internet and came across this forum. My question for now is, what does Ohio have to do with this issue?
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:silly: Ah, nevermind. I just found the link that answered that question for me.
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On 2006-03-17 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am new to this subject. Just a few days ago, I found myself at a bookstore trying to find some kind of book on sociology to try to figure out what avenue I want to take with my career which is to help kids. I stumbled upon Maia Szalavitz's "Help At Any Cost", I've only just begun my research on this horrific issue. Upon barely entering into the first chapter, I now find myself searching the internet and came across this forum. My question for now is, what does Ohio have to do with this issue?"
Everything....Straight, discussed at length in that book "Help At Any Cost," operated one of its numerous facilities in Cincinnati, Ohio between 1982 to 1987. Kids Helping Kids (KHK), a Straight descendant, spin-off, copy cat program, currently operates out of the same building that Straight Cincinnati once operated out of. KHK has been the subject of a lot of negative publicity lately.
Here's just one sample of KHK publicity.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.p ... _employee/ (http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/magaddiction/comments/an_inside_perspective_on_khk_interview_with_a_former_client_and_employee/)
Here's a couple more excellent resources for your research:
http://thestraights.com/index.htm (http://thestraights.com/index.htm)
http://www.isaccorp.org/ (http://www.isaccorp.org/)
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Thanks for the info. and the response. My next question, Why aren't more people aware of this problem and the history? One would think with most of this starting in Akron, Ohio at the site of the origination of AA, the state would be "tatooed" with information available simply to the naked eye. I am personally not from Ohio, but am briefly here for work. I can't believe I have never heard of this and simply stumbled upon it. I have a close friend that is nearly twice my age who has always kept up on issues regarding politics, etc. He too, had never heard of Straight Inc or The Seed or even Mel Sembler. I am amazed. My local news (IL) has never reported anything like this that I have been aware of. It should be headlining the news everyday! Do you think KHK is really being monitored by the State and behavior treatments are not as bizarre and morbidly abusive as they were years ago? I just can't understand why this isn't nationally known. I mean in a way that EVERYONE has heard someting about it.
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I heard that Ohio really is supervising Pathways/Straight to make sure those kids get are getting a very kind and gentle brainwashing. No more floater sandwiches!
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On 2006-03-22 11:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I heard that Ohio really is supervising Pathways/Straight to make sure those kids get are getting a very kind and gentle brainwashing. No more floater sandwiches!"
Finally! Some justice for the children.
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the new set of bumper stickers will read something like:
"Pathways - A place that Kids Help Kids become
Straight without floater sandwiches!"
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On 2006-03-22 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for the info. and the response. My next question, Why aren't more people aware of this problem and the history? One would think with most of this starting in Akron, Ohio at the site of the origination of AA, the state would be "tatooed" with information available simply to the naked eye. I am personally not from Ohio, but am briefly here for work. I can't believe I have never heard of this and simply stumbled upon it. I have a close friend that is nearly twice my age who has always kept up on issues regarding politics, etc. He too, had never heard of Straight Inc or The Seed or even Mel Sembler. I am amazed. My local news (IL) has never reported anything like this that I have been aware of. It should be headlining the news everyday! Do you think KHK is really being monitored by the State and behavior treatments are not as bizarre and morbidly abusive as they were years ago? I just can't understand why this isn't nationally known. I mean in a way that EVERYONE has heard someting about it."
A partial and incomplete answer to your question would be that these programs generally have many rules and policies in place that prevent insiders from revealing information to outsiders....often through twisted application of confidentiality rules and by cutting off communication for kids to the outside world...and of course by imposing or threatening harsh consequences to those who dare reveal to outsiders what is seen, heard and endured in these programs. There are also numerous facts that point to the government's unwillingness to investigate and point to outright cover ups. There is also a lot of money many people stand to lose (from clients) if the truth were well-known.
Eudora, would you elaborate on this more? I know you can articulate what I am struggling to explain better than I can.
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KHK is outmoded & dated...not to mention the fact that they've gotten soft in recent years thanks to the whining put forth by organizations like ISAC.
On the other hand, SIBS is the wave of the future in drug treatment® and will remain so for many years to come!
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tag this near JEB Stuart high school in Fairfax Co. VA:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=7&6 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14494&forum=7&6)
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On 2006-03-22 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"tag this near JEB Stuart high school in Fairfax Co. VA:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=7&6 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14494&forum=7&6)"
Grow up. Why don't you tag something useful like:
Mel Riddile is a Criminal Child Abuser
thestraights.com
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On 2006-03-22 14:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 14:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"tag this near JEB Stuart high school in Fairfax Co. VA:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=7&6 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14494&forum=7&6)"
Grow up. Why don't you tag something useful like:
Mel Riddile is a Criminal Child Abuser
thestraights.com
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Whatever, bitch. You might as well send them to the Disneyland website.
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On 2006-03-22 12:51:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for the info. and the response. My next question, Why aren't more people aware of this problem and the history? One would think with most of this starting in Akron, Ohio at the site of the origination of AA, the state would be "tatooed" with information available simply to the naked eye. I am personally not from Ohio, but am briefly here for work. I can't believe I have never heard of this and simply stumbled upon it. I have a close friend that is nearly twice my age who has always kept up on issues regarding politics, etc. He too, had never heard of Straight Inc or The Seed or even Mel Sembler. I am amazed. My local news (IL) has never reported anything like this that I have been aware of. It should be headlining the news everyday! Do you think KHK is really being monitored by the State and behavior treatments are not as bizarre and morbidly abusive as they were years ago? I just can't understand why this isn't nationally known. I mean in a way that EVERYONE has heard someting about it."
A partial and incomplete answer to your question would be that these programs generally have many rules and policies in place that prevent insiders from revealing information to outsiders....often through twisted application of confidentiality rules and by cutting off communication for kids to the outside world...and of course by imposing or threatening harsh consequences to those who dare reveal to outsiders what is seen, heard and endured in these programs. There are also numerous facts that point to the government's unwillingness to investigate and point to outright cover ups. There is also a lot of money many people stand to lose (from clients) if the truth were well-known.
Eudora, would you elaborate on this more? I know you can articulate what I am struggling to explain better than I can.
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That's ok. You articulated it just fine. I understand what you are trying to say and I have gathered that conclusion. I am not at any point in doubt to what these kids are going through. It can seem to be somewhat confusing to the mixed stories that I have seen. Obviously, some of these kids after "successfully" graduating some of these organizations are literally brainwashed into believing that it actually helped and that they really did have a problem, etc. in reaction to the mental breakdown of these already feable children. So, I guess my next question, without condoning the actions of mistreatment to these children, how is society, once informed of this situation, that may not be as easily "convinced", if you will, differentiate from those that needed help, those that didnt and by viewing both sides of the spectrum really see the problem? Let's face it, this has been going on for quite some time now, 1970's? Granted, time has given us the opportunity to shut down those centers and expose those accused along with stories of those poor children (Richard Bradbury, Aaron Bacon) and I'm sure thousands more. But, it still goes on. So, what has actually been accomplished? I'm not asking that in a "read between the lines" kind of way to say that it's effortless or nothing has come of people's efforts. Why haven't these people been indicted? "these people" being those listed at Anonymity Anonymous: Florida Chapter http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion (http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion)
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
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On 2006-03-22 12:51:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for the info. and the response. My next question, Why aren't more people aware of this problem and the history? One would think with most of this starting in Akron, Ohio at the site of the origination of AA, the state would be "tatooed" with information available simply to the naked eye. I am personally not from Ohio, but am briefly here for work. I can't believe I have never heard of this and simply stumbled upon it. I have a close friend that is nearly twice my age who has always kept up on issues regarding politics, etc. He too, had never heard of Straight Inc or The Seed or even Mel Sembler. I am amazed. My local news (IL) has never reported anything like this that I have been aware of. It should be headlining the news everyday! Do you think KHK is really being monitored by the State and behavior treatments are not as bizarre and morbidly abusive as they were years ago? I just can't understand why this isn't nationally known. I mean in a way that EVERYONE has heard someting about it."
A partial and incomplete answer to your question would be that these programs generally have many rules and policies in place that prevent insiders from revealing information to outsiders....often through twisted application of confidentiality rules and by cutting off communication for kids to the outside world...and of course by imposing or threatening harsh consequences to those who dare reveal to outsiders what is seen, heard and endured in these programs. There are also numerous facts that point to the government's unwillingness to investigate and point to outright cover ups. There is also a lot of money many people stand to lose (from clients) if the truth were well-known.
Eudora, would you elaborate on this more? I know you can articulate what I am struggling to explain better than I can.
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That's ok. You articulated it just fine. I understand what you are trying to say and I have gathered that conclusion. I am not at any point in doubt to what these kids are going through. It can seem to be somewhat confusing to the mixed stories that I have seen. Obviously, some of these kids after "successfully" graduating some of these organizations are literally brainwashed into believing that it actually helped and that they really did have a problem, etc. in reaction to the mental breakdown of these already feable children. So, I guess my next question, without condoning the actions of mistreatment to these children, how is society, once informed of this situation, that may not be as easily "convinced", if you will, differentiate from those that needed help, those that didnt and by viewing both sides of the spectrum really see the problem? Let's face it, this has been going on for quite some time now, 1970's? Granted, time has given us the opportunity to shut down those centers and expose those accused along with stories of those poor children (Richard Bradbury, Aaron Bacon) and I'm sure thousands more. But, it still goes on. So, what has actually been accomplished? I'm not asking that in a "read between the lines" kind of way to say that it's effortless or nothing has come of people's efforts. Why haven't these people been indicted? "these people" being those listed at Anonymity Anonymous: Florida Chapter http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion (http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion)
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
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like the sigs.
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On 2006-03-22 17:00:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"like the sigs."
"Sigs" ?
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Yeah, sigs. :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
That's ok. You articulated it just fine. I understand what you are trying to say and I have gathered that conclusion. I am not at any point in doubt to what these kids are going through. It can seem to be somewhat confusing to the mixed stories that I have seen. Obviously, some of these kids after "successfully" graduating some of these organizations are literally brainwashed into believing that it actually helped and that they really did have a problem, etc. in reaction to the mental breakdown of these already feable children. So, I guess my next question, without condoning the actions of mistreatment to these children, how is society, once informed of this situation, that may not be as easily "convinced", if you will, differentiate from those that needed help, those that didnt and by viewing both sides of the spectrum really see the problem?
I personally believe that good, one on one therapy is the key to sort out who really needs drug treatment versus a kid who is merely experiencing issues unrelated to drugs. But this is not a quick process...society and parents want a quick fix. So along with a different approach, I believe that expectations should change as well. Assuming a child does need to change behaviour, it takes time, and does not happen overnight, and should never be coerced. A real therapist will take the time to dig into a childs history to determine if 'acting out' and or drug use is symptomatic of being abused as a child, difficulty in coping with divorce, grieving the loss of a parent, etc. Obviously I think getting at the root of the problem is much more important than "transforming a child into the model of obedience." Therapy can not only root out underlying causes of rebellion, drinking, etc, but a good therapist will also able to determine if drug use (if any) has reached an addiction level, if "drug treatment is even necessary, and if so, the proper environment for treatment....I think most responsible therapists will be much more reluctant to label a kid an addict....and be more likly to deal with each childs unique issues in a non-condeming, non threatening way....
Of course, assuming treatment is deemed necessary after a proper evaluation process, tough love, coercive thought reform tactics, and group therapy etc should be banned from existance...outlaw it! All need to be thrown out altogether....treatment should never treat kids as if they are criminals. Kids in treatment should have freedom to have unsupervised contact with parents, should always be treated with respect and dignity, have the right to express their true feelings, be in an environment in which it is perfectly fine to express disagreement, where its ok to express anger, etc. Treatment should never be overly rigid or deprive kids of their childhood. I could go on and on....I think mentoring might also be an excellent supplement to therapy.
"Let's face it, this has been going on for quite some time now, 1970's? Granted, time has given us the opportunity to shut down those centers and expose those accused along with stories of those poor children (Richard Bradbury, Aaron Bacon) and I'm sure thousands more. But, it still goes on. So, what has actually been accomplished? I'm not asking that in a "read between the lines" kind of way to say that it's effortless or nothing has come of people's efforts. Why haven't these people been indicted? "these people" being those listed at Anonymity Anonymous: Florida Chapter http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion (http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion)
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it."
Lately, it seems like protests are getting a lot accomplished by generating bad publicity for KHK in Cincinnati. And the publicity of many survivors persistantly speaking out against this particular program seems to be gaining some momentum as well. Most noteably, there has been ongoing publicity on the Cincinnati Beacon for over a month now. But the efforts of many survivors in exposing KHK is limited by the reluctance (fear) of most survivors to speak out against KHK, and is limited by few financial resources, etc. So progress is slow, but steady...but I can only attest to the efforts geared toward KHK. As you may have noticed, KHK is only one of countless programs in dire need of negative publicity, opponents, etc.
Programs are not being held accountable for numerous reasons....I think an uninformed public, lack of a sustained widespread public outcry, lack of oversight and regulations, political reasons, etc are all contributing factors. The fact Straight and its predecessors have never been criminally held accountable baffles me as there is plenty of evidence of criminal wrongdoing. But then again, there probably will never be criminal accountability due to the expiration of the statute of limitations and the fact that Straight's founder has been appointed US ambassodor twice, by Bush I and II (he has friends in all the right places). The political aspects of this is really nauseating....that alone makes me wonder how much will ever change.
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Straights gonna seem like a vacation when the new world order global elite round us up and enslave us in fema concentration camps
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well, what should we do inchpin?
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On 2006-03-22 09:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for the info. and the response. My next question, Why aren't more people aware of this problem and the history? One would think with most of this starting in Akron, Ohio at the site of the origination of AA, the state would be "tattooed" with information available simply to the naked eye. I am personally not from Ohio, but am briefly here for work. I can't believe I have never heard of this and simply stumbled upon it. I have a close friend that is nearly twice my age who has always kept up on issues regarding politics, etc. He too, had never heard of Straight Inc or The Seed or even Mel Sembler. I am amazed. My local news (IL) has never reported anything like this that I have been aware of. It should be headlining the news everyday! Do you think KHK is really being monitored by the State and behavior treatments are not as bizarre and morbidly abusive as they were years ago? I just can't understand why this isn't nationally known. I mean in a way that EVERYONE has heard something about it."
In a nutshell, because America is a tad brainwashed. Extraordinary claims always require extraordinary evidence. It's hard to meet the level of evidence most people would need to be convinced that our most powerful political leaders have been doing these things to their own children for a number of decades. The only eyewitnesses are us program vets who's own parents deemed us so utterly fucked up as to require some very unconventional treatment.
A couple of years ago, someone posted anon somewhere around here saying they saw Mel Sembler at an open meeting at Pathway to see his grandson who was in the Program at that time. I tend to believe it. I wish that person had given their name and 2 or 3 others to corroborate. But I take it as more likely than not that it's true. It's just exactly what I would expect the Semblers to do. But who would believe me and some anon poster to a public forum?
That's why Maia is so damned cool. She's earned her degrees and done her research very well. And you are too, darlin'! This should be headline news. These crazy bastards have just upped the anti in Clinton's "Plan Colombia". They actually believe that, somehow, we can win this prohibition war if we can just kill off a few hundred thousand more of those recalcitrant Amazon and Andean trouble makers. They really are out of control and need to be stopped!
Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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On 2006-03-22 18:25:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
That's ok. You articulated it just fine. I understand what you are trying to say and I have gathered that conclusion. I am not at any point in doubt to what these kids are going through. It can seem to be somewhat confusing to the mixed stories that I have seen. Obviously, some of these kids after "successfully" graduating some of these organizations are literally brainwashed into believing that it actually helped and that they really did have a problem, etc. in reaction to the mental breakdown of these already feable children. So, I guess my next question, without condoning the actions of mistreatment to these children, how is society, once informed of this situation, that may not be as easily "convinced", if you will, differentiate from those that needed help, those that didnt and by viewing both sides of the spectrum really see the problem?
I personally believe that good, one on one therapy is the key to sort out who really needs drug treatment versus a kid who is merely experiencing issues unrelated to drugs. But this is not a quick process...society and parents want a quick fix. So along with a different approach, I believe that expectations should change as well. Assuming a child does need to change behaviour, it takes time, and does not happen overnight, and should never be coerced. A real therapist will take the time to dig into a childs history to determine if 'acting out' and or drug use is symptomatic of being abused as a child, difficulty in coping with divorce, grieving the loss of a parent, etc. Obviously I think getting at the root of the problem is much more important than "transforming a child into the model of obedience." Therapy can not only root out underlying causes of rebellion, drinking, etc, but a good therapist will also able to determine if drug use (if any) has reached an addiction level, if "drug treatment is even necessary, and if so, the proper environment for treatment....I think most responsible therapists will be much more reluctant to label a kid an addict....and be more likly to deal with each childs unique issues in a non-condeming, non threatening way....
Of course, assuming treatment is deemed necessary after a proper evaluation process, tough love, coercive thought reform tactics, and group therapy etc should be banned from existance...outlaw it! All need to be thrown out altogether....treatment should never treat kids as if they are criminals. Kids in treatment should have freedom to have unsupervised contact with parents, should always be treated with respect and dignity, have the right to express their true feelings, be in an environment in which it is perfectly fine to express disagreement, where its ok to express anger, etc. Treatment should never be overly rigid or deprive kids of their childhood. I could go on and on....I think mentoring might also be an excellent supplement to therapy.
"Let's face it, this has been going on for quite some time now, 1970's? Granted, time has given us the opportunity to shut down those centers and expose those accused along with stories of those poor children (Richard Bradbury, Aaron Bacon) and I'm sure thousands more. But, it still goes on. So, what has actually been accomplished? I'm not asking that in a "read between the lines" kind of way to say that it's effortless or nothing has come of people's efforts. Why haven't these people been indicted? "these people" being those listed at Anonymity Anonymous: Florida Chapter http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion (http://fornits.com/anonanon/#discussion)
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it."
Lately, it seems like protests are getting a lot accomplished by generating bad publicity for KHK in Cincinnati. And the publicity of many survivors persistantly speaking out against this particular program seems to be gaining some momentum as well. Most noteably, there has been ongoing publicity on the Cincinnati Beacon for over a month now. But the efforts of many survivors in exposing KHK is limited by the reluctance (fear) of most survivors to speak out against KHK, and is limited by few financial resources, etc. So progress is slow, but steady...but I can only attest to the efforts geared toward KHK. As you may have noticed, KHK is only one of countless programs in dire need of negative publicity, opponents, etc.
Programs are not being held accountable for numerous reasons....I think an uninformed public, lack of a sustained widespread public outcry, lack of oversight and regulations, political reasons, etc are all contributing factors. The fact Straight and its predecessors have never been criminally held accountable baffles me as there is plenty of evidence of criminal wrongdoing. But then again, there probably will never be criminal accountability due to the expiration of the statute of limitations and the fact that Straight's founder has been appointed US ambassodor twice, by Bush I and II (he has friends in all the right places). The political aspects of this is really nauseating....that alone makes me wonder how much will ever change.
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Kindly fuck off with your treatment agenda, church boy impostor.
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
"Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."--Pericles (430 BC)
Yes, the government has always been intensely interested in these programs. At the very beginning of the Seed, Robert DuPont as head of NIDA granted Art Barker over a million dollars for expansion. Nixon had tasked him to go out and find the silver bullet for the expected wave of heroin addicted Vietnam vets. That epidemic never materialized, so they started hawking Anslinger's reefer madness propaganda all over the place.
Up until `98, the only political issue I really kept up on was drug policy. In `98, Brother Jeb! took office as the Governor of Florida and, right out of the chute, promised $100 million in publicly funded juvenile drug rehab. So then I started looking into the backrounds of the most lunatic of drug warriors and found most of them directly tied to Mel and Betty's little cult. Un-fucking-believable! And, in fact, even drug policy reformers have tended to litterally not believe it. Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, right?
Well it is a conspiracy. I didn't invent it, though, I'm only reporting what I've learned.
These people are rank fanatics. They're easily as delusional as any Taliban cleric or abortion clinic bomber. Here's a stunning example at the depth of delusion on both sides of this issue. After the WTC attack of 9/11, drug policy reformers reached near consensus on putting aside their very important domestic issues in order to show real solidarity and patriotism. They assumed that, surely, the opposition would react the same way. After all, who could concience a continued domestic war while our nation is under attack by real outside enemies?
Zealots, that's who! And so I switched my tag line to "Drug Free America Foundation = an American Taliban" for awhile.
Neeless to say, I thought they were making a big mistake. They just didn't really understand how deeply fanatic these people are. So I wrote my own damned letter to the Miami Herald:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n171 ... tml?305637 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1718/a02.html?305637) Never thought they'd publish it, but they did.
Next thing ya' know, "In a record single-event advertising buy for the federal government, the White House drug czar's office is paying $1.7 million each for 30-second spots that will air Sunday on Fox during the Super Bowl, said a network source."
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642)
I don't know if you remember those ads or not. But they essentially had 13yo kids making statements like "I helped kill a peasant family in Bolivia!" and "I helped buy guns for terrorists in Bosnia!"
Now, if you want to see what it takes to almost make a dent in the public unconcious, just look at my martin lee anderson (http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=martin+lee+anderson&addterms=phrase&forum=all&search_username=&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search). The man who started that boot camp holds a seat on the board of Drug Free America Foundation. The man who took over as sherrif is a close affiliate through Florida Department of Law Enforcement and is a dyed in the wool drug warrior, appointed to that office by Brother Jeb! Büsh in the wake of a sex scandal involving the former sheriff.
Now, I don't doubt that sometimes people in positions of power over vulnerable female inmates sometimes take advantage of the situation. But it just looks damned fishy when you consider who promoted that story into a career buster and who benefited from it. Honest to God, just because the Büsh people and their creepy cult friends are involved, I tend to not believe the charges.
May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis
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On 2006-03-22 17:00:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"like the sigs."
Yeah! Especially this one:
"The eye sees only
what the mind is prepared to comprehend. "
- Henri L. Bergson
That's pretty much what I was trying to say. LOLBabylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of the human mind in ruins.
-- Scrope Davies: Letter to Thomas Raikes, May 25, 1835.
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Well, looks like sombody's busy, busy bumping old threads. So I'll just stick this at the top for a little while.
Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
Mahatma Gandhi, My Autobigraphy, p. 446
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Non- I definitely agree with you regarding the one on one therapy and the subject of outlawing all of these institutions using behavioral modification. Seems like no matter what the government does to try to "pasify" those that are in dispute with these agencies, they (agencies) seem to find just another way to get around it. Shutting these places down altogether, obviously will take so much time. Needless to say those parents that want the "quick fix" those parents that just don't have the patience, the love and compassion for their kids or are just too busy in their 6 figure income jobs or are too worried about keeping up with the jones' and more worried about how many designer labels hang in their closets, that they "shoo" their kids off to the first place that tells them what they want to hear. So easy it is to just step over a homeless person or turn a blind eye to our veterans, so easy it is to give away our hard earned money to people who dont need welfare and only take advantage of it because some women like keeping their legs open just for the purpose of making money and some guys arent smart enought to keep it in their pants, so easy it is to talk about an issue over a cup of tea and have much passion for it and still do nothing about it. So easy it is to go on with our lives and take the easy route. So easy it is for people with money to get what they want. So sad it is...people with good hearts can be bought with the color green, and made to stay quiet or whatever. So sad it is, that because so many people are just plain fucking WEAK!, our youth suffers. And so sad it is that there are actually people out there that think not even twice about molestation and abuse and locking kids up in 3'x3' boxes and making kids lie flat on their stomachs for 18 months straight in the same room. So sad it is that those of us that see right from wrong and can't be bought and truely have the best intentions for our children and society for those that deserve it can't jut be the leaders of our Nation. Being president cant be that hard! Really. Just do what's fucking right no matter how many votes you get. (SORRY FOR THE LANGUAGE)
Talk about a tangent. Anyway, an uninformed public as you put it, Non, lack of a substained widespread public outcry, lack of oversight and regulations etc. I couldnt agree more. And of course the political aspects, ambassadorships being thrown around for less that 20K or whatever the figure was. It is nauseating. To say the least. Unfortunately, as far as the local news in Cincinnati, it doesnt go so far to reach IL. Maybe I can do something about that. I did at one time work for our local newspaper. :grin:
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Why arent my quotes showing up?
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On 2006-03-24 07:56:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
"Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."--Pericles (430 BC)
Yes, the government has always been intensely interested in these programs. At the very beginning of the Seed, Robert DuPont as head of NIDA granted Art Barker over a million dollars for expansion. Nixon had tasked him to go out and find the silver bullet for the expected wave of heroin addicted Vietnam vets. That epidemic never materialized, so they started hawking Anslinger's reefer madness propaganda all over the place.
Up until `98, the only political issue I really kept up on was drug policy. In `98, Brother Jeb! took office as the Governor of Florida and, right out of the chute, promised $100 million in publicly funded juvenile drug rehab. So then I started looking into the backrounds of the most lunatic of drug warriors and found most of them directly tied to Mel and Betty's little cult. Un-fucking-believable! And, in fact, even drug policy reformers have tended to litterally not believe it. Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, right?
Well it is a conspiracy. I didn't invent it, though, I'm only reporting what I've learned.
These people are rank fanatics. They're easily as delusional as any Taliban cleric or abortion clinic bomber. Here's a stunning example at the depth of delusion on both sides of this issue. After the WTC attack of 9/11, drug policy reformers reached near consensus on putting aside their very important domestic issues in order to show real solidarity and patriotism. They assumed that, surely, the opposition would react the same way. After all, who could concience a continued domestic war while our nation is under attack by real outside enemies?
Zealots, that's who! And so I switched my tag line to "Drug Free America Foundation = an American Taliban" for awhile.
Neeless to say, I thought they were making a big mistake. They just didn't really understand how deeply fanatic these people are. So I wrote my own damned letter to the Miami Herald:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n171 ... tml?305637 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1718/a02.html?305637) Never thought they'd publish it, but they did.
Next thing ya' know, "In a record single-event advertising buy for the federal government, the White House drug czar's office is paying $1.7 million each for 30-second spots that will air Sunday on Fox during the Super Bowl, said a network source."
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642)
I don't know if you remember those ads or not. But they essentially had 13yo kids making statements like "I helped kill a peasant family in Bolivia!" and "I helped buy guns for terrorists in Bosnia!"
Now, if you want to see what it takes to almost make a dent in the public unconcious, just look at my martin lee anderson (http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=martin+lee+anderson&addterms=phrase&forum=all&search_username=&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search). The man who started that boot camp holds a seat on the board of Drug Free America Foundation. The man who took over as sherrif is a close affiliate through Florida Department of Law Enforcement and is a dyed in the wool drug warrior, appointed to that office by Brother Jeb! Büsh in the wake of a sex scandal involving the former sheriff.
Now, I don't doubt that sometimes people in positions of power over vulnerable female inmates sometimes take advantage of the situation. But it just looks damned fishy when you consider who promoted that story into a career buster and who benefited from it. Honest to God, just because the Büsh people and their creepy cult friends are involved, I tend to not believe the charges.
May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis
"
Like the quote regarding politics. And thanks for the compliment Eudora. You are the one that started this website/forum, correct? Well, kudo's to you my dear. And, I do remember those ad campaigns. The message I got from those campaigns were just that-if you buy drugs you are donating to terrorists, etc. How does this tie in with the subject at hand? And please forgive me for sounding "Stupid" I need to do quite alot more research. And, I'm not so sure I agree with you that people have heard of this in one way or another. Maybe they have and like you said, just couldnt put 2 & 2 together. But why should people have to connect the dots? We should have pictures of abused children from these places on billboards that read "This is what happend when my parents sent me away?" Just throw it in people's faces. Ya know?
I have been forwarding websites on to all the people in my address book without even a subject line. Maybe I can create a snowball effect. Unfortunately, no one has emailed me back asking, "What is all this you keep sending me?" Even my closest friend that follows politics etc. that I have mentioned before. I just dont get it.
You talked about looking into the backgrounds of "the most lunatic of drug warriors" and found most of the directly tied to Mel and Betty's cult. So, that means that these drug lords are funding Mel and Betty Sembler. So, what do the terrorists have to do with it? Zealots? When I said I didnt follow politics, I meant it. As i said earlier, Please forgive me for sounding stupid. You'll have to allow me a little more time to respond to you. I have to research most of what you talk about before I can respond. lol. I will continue to discuss this issue as long as I have people to discuss it with. I'm sure I will need the opinions and the "education".
Thanks.
By the way, I did notice that Maia mentions this website in her book. :nworthy:
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On 2006-03-24 10:25:00, researcher1 wrote:
Like the quote regarding politics. And thanks for the compliment Eudora. You are the one that started this website/forum, correct? Well, kudo's to you my dear.
Thanks very much!
And, I do remember those ad campaigns. The message I got from those campaigns were just that-if you buy drugs you are donating to terrorists, etc. How does this tie in with the subject at hand? And please forgive me for sounding "Stupid" I need to do quite alot more research. And, I'm not so sure I agree with you that people have heard of this in one way or another. Maybe they have and like you said, just couldnt put 2 & 2 together. But why should people have to connect the dots?
Ok, how can I answer this? Well first, I reject the idea that currently illegal drugs, by their nature, are anywhere near as dangerous or destructive as the drug warriors insist. "Narco-terrorists" don't kill people over the drugs. It's the money. And these drugs, when they were all available legally w/o a prescription in this country, cost about the same at retail as aspirin.
It's not the 13yo smoking a joint (most likely grown domestically anyway) who are throwing guns into these bloody wars all over the planet. It's the law-n-order drug warriors. Remember Iran Contra? CIA coke dealing and drug running? Where are the principles in that saga now? Still in the highest realms of US government and influence.
And some of the most powerful ones particularly involved in drug policy and lobbying are, I shit you not, the very same individuals who, 30 years ago, sat on the the parents' side at Open Meetings hosted by Art Barker or Miller Newton.
Here's a quick run-down of some of the ties between Straight, Inc. and the current inner circle in the Büsh admin.
http://thestraights.com/gop.htm (http://thestraights.com/gop.htm)
Basically, if your kid has been exposed to the DARE program in school, your life has been touched by the creepy, sadistic appendages of DFAF.
In Ohio, especially (though not to be outdone by Florida, Michigan or Virginia) these people are firmly entrenched. This article by Dan Forbes, http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/Forbes/ohio/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/Forbes/ohio/) , places Betty and Calvina in Governor Taft's office plotting and schemeing to illegally influence an upcoming election.
We should have pictures of abused children from these places on billboards that read "This is what happend when my parents sent me away?" Just throw it in people's faces. Ya know?
I have been forwarding websites on to all the people in my address book without even a subject line. Maybe I can create a snowball effect. Unfortunately, no one has emailed me back asking, "What is all this you keep sending me?" Even my closest friend that follows politics etc. that I have mentioned before. I just dont get it.
Well, let me explain this if I can. No, maybe NCL can explain it better. NCL, please tell this person how many passers by came to your aid when your rents had you kidnapped back into Straight for holding hands with a boy.
You talked about looking into the backgrounds of "the most lunatic of drug warriors" and found most of the directly tied to Mel and Betty's cult. So, that means that these drug lords are funding Mel and Betty Sembler. So, what do the terrorists have to do with it? Zealots? When I said I didnt follow politics, I meant it. As i said earlier, Please forgive me for sounding stupid. You'll have to allow me a little more time to respond to you. I have to research most of what you talk about before I can respond. lol. I will continue to discuss this issue as long as I have people to discuss it with. I'm sure I will need the opinions and the "education".
Thanks.
Darlin, you don't sound stupid at all! These are, as I say, extraordinary claims. Take your time.
Much of what you "know" simply isn't true, especially as regards drugs and drug policy. The people who have controled the dialog on this issue nearly worldwide since the daze of Anslinger are stark raving lunatics. They also share an authoritarian bent. If we let them, they will destroy the world in their effort to erradicate about five types of plants which they deem as God's little mistakes and their cross to bear. They're that crazy.
By the way, I did notice that Maia mentions this website in her book. :nworthy:
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Oh my, yes! And she called this brave! :rofl: I told her no, this is reckless, foolhearty and maybe Quijotian. Listing it in a respectable, mainstream book w/ her name on it, now that was brave!
Happy hunting. Oh, and Welcome, friend! :wave: Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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On 2006-03-24 10:05:00, researcher1 wrote:
"Why arent my quotes showing up?"
Because you had the option to include signatures unchecked. I took the liberty of reversing that since I was in there poking around anyway.It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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By the way, I did notice that Maia mentions this website in her book. :nworthy:
:silly: :rofl: :wave:
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Speaking of Maia and connecting the dots, here's her latest offering through Huffinton Post:
Drug Testing and Deception
Slate has a story this week about the failure of school drug testing. It reports that the largest studies of the issue do not support randomly testing students or testing those in extracurricular activities as a way of reducing drug use. The article highlights the involvement of former drug czar Robert DuPont -- a long-time drug warrior -- in flawed research frequently cited by the current drug czar to refute the other data.
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Full text/comments: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szal ... 17712.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maia-szalavitz/drug-testing-and-deceptio_b_17712.html)
This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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On 2006-03-13 14:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Smaller stickers would be good for people to put on their hat or shirt.
Also, if someone would like to post how to make a template for easily spray painting this sort of message on walls, easy graffiti, fun."
Except for the fact that spray painting is vandalism, and not exactly a credible way to get people to respect or even listen to our pleas to be heard.
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On 2006-03-24 10:25:00, researcher1 wrote:
Thanks.
Welcome, and thank you for your comments! :wave:
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On 2006-03-24 13:44:00, 001010 wrote:
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On 2006-03-13 14:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Smaller stickers would be good for people to put on their hat or shirt.
Also, if someone would like to post how to make a template for easily spray painting this sort of message on walls, easy graffiti, fun."
Except for the fact that spray painting is vandalism, and not exactly a credible way to get people to respect or even listen to our pleas to be heard.
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I respectfully disagree, Morli. St. Pete was tagged mercilessly with anti-Straight graffiti in the final days before Straight's closing. Advertising works for a reason: the simple repetition of a word or word combination can have a "hundredth monkey" effect on both the neural pathways in the human mind and in the culture itself.
If someone could make us a "Penny Walker's head" tag design and post it, thanks.
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On 2006-03-24 10:25:00, researcher1 wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 07:56:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
"Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."--Pericles (430 BC)
Yes, the government has always been intensely interested in these programs. At the very beginning of the Seed, Robert DuPont as head of NIDA granted Art Barker over a million dollars for expansion. Nixon had tasked him to go out and find the silver bullet for the expected wave of heroin addicted Vietnam vets. That epidemic never materialized, so they started hawking Anslinger's reefer madness propaganda all over the place.
Up until `98, the only political issue I really kept up on was drug policy. In `98, Brother Jeb! took office as the Governor of Florida and, right out of the chute, promised $100 million in publicly funded juvenile drug rehab. So then I started looking into the backrounds of the most lunatic of drug warriors and found most of them directly tied to Mel and Betty's little cult. Un-fucking-believable! And, in fact, even drug policy reformers have tended to litterally not believe it. Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, right?
Well it is a conspiracy. I didn't invent it, though, I'm only reporting what I've learned.
These people are rank fanatics. They're easily as delusional as any Taliban cleric or abortion clinic bomber. Here's a stunning example at the depth of delusion on both sides of this issue. After the WTC attack of 9/11, drug policy reformers reached near consensus on putting aside their very important domestic issues in order to show real solidarity and patriotism. They assumed that, surely, the opposition would react the same way. After all, who could concience a continued domestic war while our nation is under attack by real outside enemies?
Zealots, that's who! And so I switched my tag line to "Drug Free America Foundation = an American Taliban" for awhile.
Neeless to say, I thought they were making a big mistake. They just didn't really understand how deeply fanatic these people are. So I wrote my own damned letter to the Miami Herald:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n171 ... tml?305637 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1718/a02.html?305637) Never thought they'd publish it, but they did.
Next thing ya' know, "In a record single-event advertising buy for the federal government, the White House drug czar's office is paying $1.7 million each for 30-second spots that will air Sunday on Fox during the Super Bowl, said a network source."
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642)
I don't know if you remember those ads or not. But they essentially had 13yo kids making statements like "I helped kill a peasant family in Bolivia!" and "I helped buy guns for terrorists in Bosnia!"
Now, if you want to see what it takes to almost make a dent in the public unconcious, just look at my martin lee anderson (http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=martin+lee+anderson&addterms=phrase&forum=all&search_username=&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search). The man who started that boot camp holds a seat on the board of Drug Free America Foundation. The man who took over as sherrif is a close affiliate through Florida Department of Law Enforcement and is a dyed in the wool drug warrior, appointed to that office by Brother Jeb! Büsh in the wake of a sex scandal involving the former sheriff.
Now, I don't doubt that sometimes people in positions of power over vulnerable female inmates sometimes take advantage of the situation. But it just looks damned fishy when you consider who promoted that story into a career buster and who benefited from it. Honest to God, just because the Büsh people and their creepy cult friends are involved, I tend to not believe the charges.
May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis
"
Like the quote regarding politics. And thanks for the compliment Eudora. You are the one that started this website/forum, correct? Well, kudo's to you my dear. And, I do remember those ad campaigns. The message I got from those campaigns were just that-if you buy drugs you are donating to terrorists, etc. How does this tie in with the subject at hand? And please forgive me for sounding "Stupid" I need to do quite alot more research. And, I'm not so sure I agree with you that people have heard of this in one way or another. Maybe they have and like you said, just couldnt put 2 & 2 together. But why should people have to connect the dots? We should have pictures of abused children from these places on billboards that read "This is what happend when my parents sent me away?" Just throw it in people's faces. Ya know?
I have been forwarding websites on to all the people in my address book without even a subject line. Maybe I can create a snowball effect. Unfortunately, no one has emailed me back asking, "What is all this you keep sending me?" Even my closest friend that follows politics etc. that I have mentioned before. I just dont get it.
You talked about looking into the backgrounds of "the most lunatic of drug warriors" and found most of the directly tied to Mel and Betty's cult. So, that means that these drug lords are funding Mel and Betty Sembler. So, what do the terrorists have to do with it? Zealots? When I said I didnt follow politics, I meant it. As i said earlier, Please forgive me for sounding stupid. You'll have to allow me a little more time to respond to you. I have to research most of what you talk about before I can respond. lol. I will continue to discuss this issue as long as I have people to discuss it with. I'm sure I will need the opinions and the "education".
Thanks.
By the way, I did notice that Maia mentions this website in her book. :nworthy:
"
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On 2006-03-24 10:25:00, researcher1 wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 07:56:00, Eudora wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 15:59:00, researcher1 wrote:
Is the government not spending it's tax dollars wisely enough to where more attention is focused on these programs to ensure the safety of our youth? Oh, but I guess then it would require another government association which hires people not really qualified for the job and could care less about what they are investigating and controlling except how much overtime they work and how many 0's are at the end of their pay check. Uhh. This just proves why I never found interest in politics or following it.
"Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you."--Pericles (430 BC)
Yes, the government has always been intensely interested in these programs. At the very beginning of the Seed, Robert DuPont as head of NIDA granted Art Barker over a million dollars for expansion. Nixon had tasked him to go out and find the silver bullet for the expected wave of heroin addicted Vietnam vets. That epidemic never materialized, so they started hawking Anslinger's reefer madness propaganda all over the place.
Up until `98, the only political issue I really kept up on was drug policy. In `98, Brother Jeb! took office as the Governor of Florida and, right out of the chute, promised $100 million in publicly funded juvenile drug rehab. So then I started looking into the backrounds of the most lunatic of drug warriors and found most of them directly tied to Mel and Betty's little cult. Un-fucking-believable! And, in fact, even drug policy reformers have tended to litterally not believe it. Sounds too much like a conspiracy theory, right?
Well it is a conspiracy. I didn't invent it, though, I'm only reporting what I've learned.
These people are rank fanatics. They're easily as delusional as any Taliban cleric or abortion clinic bomber. Here's a stunning example at the depth of delusion on both sides of this issue. After the WTC attack of 9/11, drug policy reformers reached near consensus on putting aside their very important domestic issues in order to show real solidarity and patriotism. They assumed that, surely, the opposition would react the same way. After all, who could concience a continued domestic war while our nation is under attack by real outside enemies?
Zealots, that's who! And so I switched my tag line to "Drug Free America Foundation = an American Taliban" for awhile.
Neeless to say, I thought they were making a big mistake. They just didn't really understand how deeply fanatic these people are. So I wrote my own damned letter to the Miami Herald:
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n171 ... tml?305637 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v01/n1718/a02.html?305637) Never thought they'd publish it, but they did.
Next thing ya' know, "In a record single-event advertising buy for the federal government, the White House drug czar's office is paying $1.7 million each for 30-second spots that will air Sunday on Fox during the Super Bowl, said a network source."
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642 (http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v02/n169/a05.html?305642)
I don't know if you remember those ads or not. But they essentially had 13yo kids making statements like "I helped kill a peasant family in Bolivia!" and "I helped buy guns for terrorists in Bosnia!"
Now, if you want to see what it takes to almost make a dent in the public unconcious, just look at my martin lee anderson (http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=martin+lee+anderson&addterms=phrase&forum=all&search_username=&sortby=p.post_time+desc&searchboth=both&submit=Search). The man who started that boot camp holds a seat on the board of Drug Free America Foundation. The man who took over as sherrif is a close affiliate through Florida Department of Law Enforcement and is a dyed in the wool drug warrior, appointed to that office by Brother Jeb! Büsh in the wake of a sex scandal involving the former sheriff.
Now, I don't doubt that sometimes people in positions of power over vulnerable female inmates sometimes take advantage of the situation. But it just looks damned fishy when you consider who promoted that story into a career buster and who benefited from it. Honest to God, just because the Büsh people and their creepy cult friends are involved, I tend to not believe the charges.
May your days be joyously challenging and your words artfully true.
--Ginger Warbis
"
Like the quote regarding politics. And thanks for the compliment Eudora. You are the one that started this website/forum, correct? Well, kudo's to you my dear. And, I do remember those ad campaigns. The message I got from those campaigns were just that-if you buy drugs you are donating to terrorists, etc. How does this tie in with the subject at hand? And please forgive me for sounding "Stupid" I need to do quite alot more research. And, I'm not so sure I agree with you that people have heard of this in one way or another. Maybe they have and like you said, just couldnt put 2 & 2 together. But why should people have to connect the dots? We should have pictures of abused children from these places on billboards that read "This is what happend when my parents sent me away?" Just throw it in people's faces. Ya know?
I have been forwarding websites on to all the people in my address book without even a subject line. Maybe I can create a snowball effect. Unfortunately, no one has emailed me back asking, "What is all this you keep sending me?" Even my closest friend that follows politics etc. that I have mentioned before. I just dont get it.
You talked about looking into the backgrounds of "the most lunatic of drug warriors" and found most of the directly tied to Mel and Betty's cult. So, that means that these drug lords are funding Mel and Betty Sembler. So, what do the terrorists have to do with it? Zealots? When I said I didnt follow politics, I meant it. As i said earlier, Please forgive me for sounding stupid. You'll have to allow me a little more time to respond to you. I have to research most of what you talk about before I can respond. lol. I will continue to discuss this issue as long as I have people to discuss it with. I'm sure I will need the opinions and the "education".
Thanks.
By the way, I did notice that Maia mentions this website in her book. :nworthy:
"
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On 2006-03-24 10:01:00, researcher1 wrote:
"Non- I definitely agree with you regarding the one on one therapy and the subject of outlawing all of these institutions using behavioral modification. Seems like no matter what the government does to try to "pasify" those that are in dispute with these agencies, they (agencies) seem to find just another way to get around it. Shutting these places down altogether, obviously will take so much time. Needless to say those parents that want the "quick fix" those parents that just don't have the patience, the love and compassion for their kids or are just too busy in their 6 figure income jobs or are too worried about keeping up with the jones' and more worried about how many designer labels hang in their closets, that they "shoo" their kids off to the first place that tells them what they want to hear."
Yes, I think as soon as parenting gets difficult, many parents just dont want to make the effort it takes and would much rather pass off the responsibility on someone else. Other well-meaning parents get sucked in because programs are experts at scaring vulnerable parents into believing that their child will end up dead or in jail without their program.
"...so easy it is to talk about an issue over a cup of tea and have much passion for it and still do nothing about it. So easy it is to go on with our lives and take the easy route."
Complacency is one of the troubled teen industry's best friends.
"So easy it is for people with money to get what they want. So sad it is...people with good hearts can be bought with the color green, and made to stay quiet or whatever."
Money is the root of all evil. (cliche yes, but so true)
"And so sad it is that there are actually people out there that think not even twice about molestation and abuse and locking kids up in 3'x3' boxes and making kids lie flat on their stomachs for 18 months straight in the same room."
Infuriating that certain people wholeheatledly believe that its ok to mistreat "bad" kids...that inflicing pain and suffering will "help" them. Very misguided people to say the very least.
"So sad it is that those of us that see right from wrong and can't be bought and truely have the best intentions for our children and society for those that deserve it can't jut be the leaders of our Nation."
That is partly because politics is inherently corrupt...what decent person can stomach that long enough to become a leader? I know I cant deal with it.
"Just do what's fucking right no matter how many votes you get. (SORRY FOR THE LANGUAGE)"
Hmmm...public pressure to outlaw these behavior modification hell-holes can force our lawmakers to do something for fear of losing votes! But unfortunately, that will take a hell of a lot of public pressure.
"Anyway, an uninformed public as you put it, Non, lack of a substained widespread public outcry, lack of oversight and regulations etc. I couldnt agree more. And of course the political aspects, ambassadorships being thrown around for less that 20K or whatever the figure was. It is nauseating. To say the least. Unfortunately, as far as the local news in Cincinnati, it doesnt go so far to reach IL. Maybe I can do something about that. I did at one time work for our local newspaper. :grin: "
And if your are free this Friday, you can help make the public outcry one person louder....there is a demonstration against KHK scheduled in Columbus the 31st.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#179104 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14345&forum=7&start=0#179104)
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On 2006-03-24 10:25:00, researcher1 wrote:
"We should have pictures of abused children from these places on billboards that read "This is what happend when my parents sent me away?" Just throw it in people's faces. Ya know?
I have been forwarding websites on to all the people in my address book without even a subject line. Maybe I can create a snowball effect. Unfortunately, no one has emailed me back asking, "What is all this you keep sending me?" Even my closest friend that follows politics etc. that I have mentioned before. I just dont get it.
On 2006-03-24 11:06:00 Eudora wrote:
"Well, let me explain this if I can. No, maybe NCL can explain it better. NCL, please tell this person how many passers by came to your aid when your rents had you kidnapped back into Straight for holding hands with a boy."
I routinely send my friends links as well....and most do not seem to react or show interest at all...but I send them anyway just hoping to raise "a little awareness" (pardon the expression). You just never know who might eventually take an interest.
BTW, I like the billboard idea....
I have noticed how people in general dont like to be bothered with other people's problems....they would much rather ignore it...paying attention or helping others takes effort...most people dont want to sacrifice their own time at all.
As for my kidnapping, yeah in broad daylight, in a public parking lot, most customers coming and going ignored my screams for help (5 adults were trying to force me into a car)...one customer ultimately tried to help after I was in the car and did run inside the business to call the police after his efforts failed. But yeah...most people who witnessed my kidnapping did not even want to bother helping me when I was obviously being abducted. I have read other similar survivor accounts, but in those cases, not even one person stepped forward to help...I believe one such story was also written about in "Help At Any Cost"....I believe in one of the chapters about Miller Newton.
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Welcome, and thank you for your comments! :wave:
No, thank you. I am surprised, how responsive all of you are. I wasnt sure what to expect upon posting my first question. I am truely amazed at how much energy this forum has and the passion everyone has. The kindness within, set aside from vulgar comments from some anonymous posters-we are all free to our own opinions-,is well, I'll try not to be mushy, but it's heartwarming to me and I myself feel unworthy to those that have experienced the "wrath" of these... I find myself unable to find the most alarming words to describe these places. I'm sure everyone will get my point. I cant imagine what those of you have gone through emotionally and physically. what I went through in my childhood and teen years does not compare to what all of you have. My heart sincerely goes out to everyone, even those who believe they got the treatment they needed. I understand my sympathy and compassion may not be wanted or seem to be needed by all, but I dont believe the world is full of enough compassionate and caring individuals so I will do my best efforts to extend as much of even as little as a caring word even if it is unwanted. So again, Non, Eudora, 001010, Dr., and anyone else, I believe the applause is for you.
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The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend. - Henri L. Bergson
You see things; and you say "Why?"
But I dream things that never were and ask,"Why not?"[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-03-26 08:01 ]
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Ok, people, call me computer illiterate or whatever, I'm still trying to perfect this "quote" stuff and replying to quotes and all that. It's not quite perfection, but I strive. :silly:
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On 2006-03-24 07:56:00, Eudora wrote:
Watch the http://cbs5.com/homepage/topstories_sto ... 52552.html (http://cbs5.com/homepage/topstories_story_048152552.html)
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You must be the change you wish to see in the world.
- Mohandas Ghandi
The eye sees only
what the mind is prepared to comprehend.
- Henri L. Bergson
You see things; and you say "Why?"
But I dream things that never were and ask,[ This Message was edited by: researcher1 on 2006-03-26 07:40 ]
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Gees. I just spent about half an hour typing and somehow managed to delete the whole thing just before I was done. Hopefully I can remember all that I said.
Non- I may sound a bit hypocritical here, Unfortunately, my time in Ohio will be no more as of this Mon. or Tues. I have much to do when I get home. I have the very last wisdom tooth that I was supposed to have pulled about 2 years ago screaming at me to come out. Nothing a few advils wont help, but nevertheless, it's the only time I'll be home for about another month. ALso, I am meeting with my counselor at college to discuss what direction I will take my education regarding my interests. Which is simply to help kids. And, I have to see my Grandmother who is probably not going to be around in six months. THe time I get at home is usually only a weekend but it's going to be a little more than that this time so I have to make the best of it and get done what I can. Some of my prior commitments seem a bit petty considering the impact of a demonstration. Please know, I would love to come. I will be there in spirit.
You also mentioned that it would be aired, what channel? DO you think it will only be local to Ohio or maybe CNN? Are there some local newspaper websites I can monitor?
I am only halfway through Maia's book. I find that everytime she mentions an agency or name I am on the internet researching. So, it is taking me awhile to finish it. I want to be able to discuss the issue with those uninformed intelligently. I believe she said that Straight had a branch in Springfield. I am going to try to investigate that along with trying to find anything going on in my area regarding the issues. Are you aware of anything in IL?
(i cant remember half of what i wrote that got deleted, im so pissed.)
Um, Eudora, I forgot to commend you on your letter being published by, was it, the Miami Herald? I'm quite intoxicated with an overload of information, so you'll have to excuse me if i'm wrong. At any rate, your voice is being heard! And a strong one it is.
Oh, yeah-- the website ISAC, what do you think of it? And along with the bill it talks about being passed, what do you folks think about that? I would like to have your input before I write my local rep. I know sometimes those less informed seem to miss articles or sections in bills that can corrupt the entire purpose, therefore end up voting for a corrupt bill.
I'm sure I've forgotten something. I feel like an author that just wrote his best chapter and it was deleted completely. ha ha.
Eudora, NON, help me out here. And, I'm serious about this, I am really struggling with where to take my education. I was unable to go to college when I was younger, 26 now, not like Im that old, but regardless, I travel with my significant other and I dont work everyday, more like a couple days out of the month. So, I want to take my spare time to return to school. I have finally figured out that the only thing I want to do as I have mentioned is help kids. Which is the exact thing that brought me to becoming aware of this whole issue. Actually brought me to Maia's book. Anyway, what do you think is the most needed position in the industry of "disturbed children".? )for lack of a better term?) To counsel kids takes 6 years. Social work takes 4. I could become a coach even. What do you think is the best approach or some ways I can explore?
Thanks.
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My, Lord! Am I hitting the wrong buttons or what?
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On 2006-03-25 20:55:00, researcher1 wrote:
My, Lord! Am I hitting the wrong buttons or what?
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On 2006-03-24 07:56:00, Eudora wrote:
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HERE is the problem ^
There should be an even number of closing & opening quote tags; you could try editing that post..
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" So again, Non, Eudora, 001010, Dr., and anyone else, I believe the applause is for you."
I applaud YOU for taking the time to educate yourself about this issue...thank you! :nworthy:
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On 2006-03-25 19:37:00, researcher1 wrote:
"Ok, people, call me computer illiterate or whatever, I'm still trying to perfect this "quote" stuff and replying to quotes and all that. It's not quite perfection, but I strive. ::rainbow::
here's how its done....
1) the first quote tag has NO front slash
2) "insert quoted text"
3) the second /quote tag MUST contain a front slash
4) and as anon pointed out, make sure there is no extra quote tag between the first quote tag and the second one, otherwise, it doesnt work or else looks pretty screwy!
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Where's researcher2?
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Where's researcher2?
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On 2006-03-26 08:24:00, Guest wrote:
"Where's researcher2?"
Dont ask about researcher2. It took me a long time to get it out of my head. I now only have 1 personality. :wave:
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On 2006-03-25 20:49:00, researcher1 wrote:
"Non- I may sound a bit hypocritical here, Unfortunately, my time in Ohio will be no more as of this Mon. or Tues. I have much to do when I get home. I have the very last wisdom tooth that I was supposed to have pulled about 2 years ago screaming at me to come out. Nothing a few advils wont help, but nevertheless, it's the only time I'll be home for about another month. ALso, I am meeting with my counselor at college to discuss what direction I will take my education regarding my interests. Which is simply to help kids. And, I have to see my Grandmother who is probably not going to be around in six months. THe time I get at home is usually only a weekend but it's going to be a little more than that this time so I have to make the best of it and get done what I can. Some of my prior commitments seem a bit petty considering the impact of a demonstration. Please know, I would love to come. I will be there in spirit."
No worries....I certainly did not expect you to attend, I just mentioned it in case you would be interested or able to attend. Commitments in our daily lives are certainly not petty...everybody has to deal with them ya know?? I seriously am just thrilled to see you taking such an interest in this and am thrilled Maia's hard work is reaching people.
"You also mentioned that it would be aired, what channel? DO you think it will only be local to Ohio or maybe CNN? Are there some local newspaper websites I can monitor?"
Just local coverage in Columbus (CNN? I wish!). I believe Channel 10 will be covering the story, so keep an eye on channel 10's website. Also watch the KHK forum for any updates/links. http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=25&593 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=25&593)
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On 2006-03-25 20:49:00, researcher1 wrote:
"Gees. I just spent about half an hour typing and somehow managed to delete the whole thing just before I was done. Hopefully I can remember all that I said.
God, but I hate when that happens. So sorry!
Non- I may sound a bit hypocritical here, Unfortunately, my time in Ohio will be no more as of this Mon. or Tues. . . .
Hey, this has been going on now for decades. It's a damned compelling issue and always urgent, but really no one person is going to solve the whole problem this week. Take care of yourself and yours and deal with this as you can. I can't tell you what profession or specialty to go into. But if you're well educated on the toughlove hategroups, you can find and challenge them just about anywhere you go.
Here's one outfit I know of out of indianapolis Teen Screen (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10271&forum=9&Sort=D) and the New Freedom Initiative people. Büsh people, in other words, who are in the business of pushing certain drugs other than the ones their closest affiliates work at criminally prohibiting.
But, on the other hand, any legislative effort will always generate dialog and documentation. So it's not entirely a bad thing.
I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
--Dr. James Watson, American biologist
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Sometimes there's a difference between what's lawful and what's legal.
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every one know ISAC is run by pro straight wax.
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Perhaps you could elaborate on this..?
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On 2006-03-28 20:54:00, Guest wrote:
"Perhaps you could elaborate on this..?"
I'LL have the last word around HERE!
You can cum over here where its REAL slippery.
Im waiting.