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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Squirrel on March 01, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
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I was in Virginia and Stoughton 85 to 87 respectively.
It's like a bizzaro high school, where I know more about my fellow StraightMates than I ever cared to, yet it would be so difficult to have a reunion. I am torn between wanting to speak to those who have experienced the wierdness, and just wanting to pretend it happened to someone else.
Forget all the nonsense and people being rude on this forum. To all of you who are thinking independently and critically now...I send you my love and respect.
I have now had two of my friends die from Straight/post straight abuse and depression. I wish you all peace:
Pam Lawrence (missing, homeless)
Janina Moore
Christine Brady
Mitzi
Julie M.
Damon M.
Chris Min.
Chris J.
Buffy A.
Jean Con.
Irene B.
Patricia B.
Peter Coyne (dead)
Chris Bartoloni (dead)
Peter and Barbara
The Yates'
Joe Matz
etc.
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how did peter coyne die? i always like the way he answered a question with a question.
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I am torn between wanting to speak to those who have experienced the wierdness, and just wanting to pretend it happened to someone else.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#177375 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14245&forum=7&start=20#177375)
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Peter Coyne was stabbed to death.
He was in the front seat of a car with four others who did not know him well. He was annoying the shit out of one guy in particular. He wouldn't stop arguing (you know Peter, I assume). The guy stabbed him from behind.
Apparently not everyone liked the way Peter answered a question with a question.
Squirrrel
[ This Message was edited by: Squirrel on 2006-03-03 07:19 ]
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I remember how Pete used to rock back an' forth in his chair constantly. He came in shortly after me. I was on the 2nd or 3rd row when he was on front row. Other kids would try to hold him still but he would just keep rockin' back an' forth all the time. He would end up restrained on the floor quite often due to his rockin'. Although, he did intentionally misbehave quite often, I don't think his rockin' was a conscious form of rebellion on his part so much as I just think he had some emotional or psychological condition that caused him to rock like that.
He was an influence on me similar to the way Steve Mathews was. I picked up on his rockin' as did many others in group. I just caught myself rockin' back an' forth in my chair here in front of my computer and thought of Pete Coyne. He gave me a habit that I still have 20 years later.
Remember all the nervous energy in the group ?? How ever'one would be bouncin' their knees constantly and rockin' back an' forth in their chairs ?? It was just all that repressed physical energy and restrained emotion comin' out in physical ways. Sometimes I still bounce my knee like that too. These are some of the physical manifestations of patterns of thought that I became attached to while in $tr8. Makes me wonder what other patterns of thought I am still attached to but am unaware of, due to their less obvious symptoms.
Fuck. There's alot of heavy chain yet to cut through. :skull:
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P.S. I like the title of this thread...The Straight Jacket...That's right On! :skull:
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Hi:
I'm Denisha. I was there whith my brother Sean, and a few other kids from my home town (Scituate, MA). I think Straight gave our town a group discount or something.
Do you remember any of the people I mentioned? I don't mean to be nosy, but would I know you?
Ssend me a private message if you can. I'd love to catch up.
Squirrel
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I remeber the Yates. I also remember Dave going to school and beating up a cop out and the staff was gloating about it. I remeber Pete C also remeber a guy named greg with a Steal Your Face tat on his forarm that had to be covered with a bandage, he may have it removed while in there too
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Greg A - with the Steal Your Face Tattoo - WOW! - I forgot about him!
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Hey Denisha -
I remember you and Sean -
I was there in '85 - '86 as well -
I remember everyone on your list - as well as:
Bobby K.
Scott & Bob C.
Jeff N.
John P. (my old comer)
Mike T.
Matt N.
Dan P.
RJ P.
Bill & Chris S.
Jeeesus - the names just spill out into your brain and the faces become clear once you start remembering...
That's SO sad about Pam -- I remember her and her father being so close -- and she was so nice -
By the way I'm Todd M -- and no one ever remembers me - LOL! -
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The wierd thing about Peter Coyne is that he had no verbal filter at all. When he met my mother he promptly said "I bet you look hot in a bikini". Fortunately, we knew Pete's condition, so none of us paid any attention to the many uncomfortable things he said.
After Straight, I introduced him to my boyfriend (non-straight) and Peter of course mentioned something about what it must be like to sleep with me. I had to jump on my boyfriend's back to keep him from killing Peter, and explain that he's missing more than a few neurotransmitters.
His death was sad, but probably inevitable I hate to say. Unless you knew him, you could easily think he was looking for a fight.
Too bad. Nice family, the Coynes.
[ This Message was edited by: Squirrel on 2006-03-03 07:17 ]
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Hey Father,
Please tell me you'e not really a Father, collar and all?I hate uniforms.
Anyway, I can't remember you, not because you're not memorable, but because I never got within eight feet of any guys the whole time I was in Straight.
Pam. yeah. Sad. She was my best friend. We rented an apartment after Straight together. Her poor dad is hearbroken. I could spell the whole downfall out for you, but it wouldn't be fair.
But I'm well. I live on an island off of Gloucester, travel and read all the starchy Russian novels I dodged in College. Sailing, hiking, two kids, great husband. It permed his eyebrows when I told him about Straight. I don't know if he fully comprehends, but how could he?
Where are you from? Did we know eachother?
I'd love to remember you.
Denisha
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anyone remember the huge guy from Boston, he always wore like a sweatsuit in, court ordered? i rememeber the cops coming in and arresting him. He, like me chose jail over that shithole
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Was his name Lou? Huge, ended up in a mental ward? But ya kinda-liked-him-anyway sort of guy?
Remember Rachel C*tton? She was arrested for stalking her psychiatrist.
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check your messages
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that rachel story. that is funny as shit. any details?
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How about Jim Brown, short dude with a blond mullett, mom used to drive a fiero.
Was hit by a truck changing a tire. i heard that years ago
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i think i remember lou. always looked big and puffy and when he got mad he looked mean. he had that T&R shine!
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has anyone started an "inspiration rap" thread?
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No other details on Rachel. It was on the news, and then I talked to a straight parent, Janin* Mo*re's mom, who is an artist up here in Gloucester. She was horrified when I said that it sounded about right for Rachel. Janin* said exactly the same thing.
Squirrel
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On 2006-03-03 08:05:00, jkendu wrote:
"How about Jim Brown, short dude with a blond mullett, mom used to drive a fiero.
Was hit by a truck changing a tire. i heard that years ago"
Jim Brown:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#108470 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10334&forum=7&start=0#108470)
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Does anyone remeber Julie from Manchester? I would love to look her up, as I am ten minutes away, but I can't for the life of me remember her last name. Strange how you can live with someone for two years on forget their last name.
Write me privately if you feel wierd about postng her full name here.
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Nope - not a Priest - Father Abraham was my favorite Staightling song - got me up off my chair "...right arm, left arm..." - LOL!
I didn't know the girls too well either - being on the guys side and all - we went on a 4th Phase outing together once - one of the first mixed guys and guys -
I always liked you - you and Julie G were like a month or three ahead of me so I was REALLY intimidated by you - but always liked you.
No idea even how to describe myself from back them - I was the guy with short hair and pasty white skin - LOL!
I lived in Framingham in an apartment building - always got weird looks when I brought a newcomer home - holding him by the beltloop I think made the neighbors nervous.
I live in Northborough now - married - no kids - my wife also doesn't "get" the whole Straight thing
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Father abraham,
had seven sons,
i was one of them,
and so were you,
so lets all go get straight,
right arm, left arm......etc
were you ever in va?
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WOW -- that is SO funny about Rachel --
She was my Prom Date -- who woulda thunk it!
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Nope never in VA -- one of the bad parts about being in Stoughton was that EVERYTHING always came down to how much better VA was -
I was the 13th Boston intake (lucky 13) -
Here's something I NEVER told anyone -- I was felt that since I didn't my program in VA that my sobriety paled in comparison to anyone from VA
Always felt 2nd rate to VA -
huh
It's so funny - what - 20 years later and still have that VA jealousy -- or whatever it is -
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How did the prom date end?
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On 2006-03-03 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How did the prom date end?"
NOT that way - LOL!
Ended up with my friend Benny and his girlfreind and other high school/earthling friends heading to the cape --
Rachel and I wound up at my friend Natasha's and just hung out -- at one time she was a very cool and interesting person -- not that she's not now or anything -- but back then we were friends -
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Father:
No way! She was your prom date!?!
Rachel had a particular qualtiy about her that was endearing. The staff was always fond of her. I can see why one would be facinated by her.
You said we went on an outing...was it to that dreadful swamp in Stoughton? Wampanoag something or other? Tell me what you remeber..
Denisha
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On 2006-03-03 10:14:00, Father Abraham wrote:
"Nope never in VA -- one of the bad parts about being in Stoughton was that EVERYTHING always came down to how much better VA was -
I was the 13th Boston intake (lucky 13) -
Here's something I NEVER told anyone -- I was felt that since I didn't my program in VA that my sobriety paled in comparison to anyone from VA
Always felt 2nd rate to VA -
huh
It's so funny - what - 20 years later and still have that VA jealousy -- or whatever it is -"
Wow! What do you mean ?? Could you elaborate and give me some more perspective ?? What do you mean VA was better ?? Curious.
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On 2006-03-03 10:31:00, Squirrel wrote:
"Father:
No way! She was your prom date!?!
Rachel had a particular qualtiy about her that was endearing. The staff was always fond of her. I can see why one would be facinated by her.
You said we went on an outing...was it to that dreadful swamp in Stoughton? Wampanoag something or other? Tell me what you remeber..
Denisha
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Yup - Rachel was my prom date that always makes me laugh when i hear about some of the things she's done.
Anyway - our outing ---it was very strange - it was the first mixed one - it's funny - I remember some details so clearly, but others are so so foggy --
I have no idea where we went, but I remember being at a convenient store of sorts..no! - a candy store! -- and I think some of us had candy cigarettes and got in trouble for it later - LOL! - and there was gameyness (still LOVE that word!) going on - which we got a talking to about as well.
It was so fun, and i remember my feelings so clearly - I was so freaked out being so close to a girl - and being 16 it was hard enough to not be gamey, but the fear of what would happen if I got caught flirting...just got that old shiver...
I wish i could remember where we went to begin with -
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Straight va was the ultimate in mind fucks from everybody I have ever spoken with. Straight Springfield was the least proud moment.
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Does anyone have Rachel's current #?
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Gamey. Wow. I'd forgotten that word too.
I hope you are over the Virginia vs. Stoughton thing because the whole game was an experiment. None of it means anyhting. For example some Synanon peole came to my school in eighth grade asking parents if their teenagers were moody, tired, depressed, hanging out with a new crowd, etc. Well yes, yes, yes, and yes. Within three months five of us from Gates Junior High were in Straight. They told our parents that based to their number of "yes's" they'd checked we were chemically dependent and would be dead in a year.
Well, I'm not chemically dependent and my parents a $160 grand lighter.
Please, believe nothing those people told you about yourself. Only you know what your issues are and only you can deal with them.
That being said, I'm glad we had fun in a candy store.
Peace,
Denisha
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On 2006-03-03 10:34:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
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On 2006-03-03 10:14:00, Father Abraham wrote:
"Nope never in VA -- one of the bad parts about being in Stoughton was that EVERYTHING always came down to how much better VA was -
I was the 13th Boston intake (lucky 13) -
Here's something I NEVER told anyone -- I was felt that since I didn't my program in VA that my sobriety paled in comparison to anyone from VA
Always felt 2nd rate to VA -
huh
It's so funny - what - 20 years later and still have that VA jealousy -- or whatever it is -"
Wow! What do you mean ?? Could you elaborate and give me some more perspective ?? What do you mean VA was better ?? Curious."
Absolutely --
Let me preface this too by saying I have nothing against VA -- if anything I was always jealous of you guys -
I think that we were made to feel like the red headed step child of a new marraige...
We (the Boston Newcomers) were always told how in VA things were so much better - not in terms of fun or nicer people, but it was real sobriety.
That in VA if you didn't dislocate your shoulders motivating, well - you just weren't going to get called on.
We had it easy in Boston - in VA there 5,000,000 people trying to get called on - and like i said I was the 13th intake -- the room was pretty empty - so we didn't know what a real program was like.
That since no one misbehaved or ran for a door in Stoughton, well - then we didn't know what getting Straight was all about.
That if the floor wasn't soaked in sweat, blood and spit - we weren't really a group.
THAT was always such a sticking point - I always felt that "The Group" in VA was like a combination of the Knights of the Round Table meets The Army of Orcs (Lord of the Rings)
That Boston was a 2nd rate rehab compared to the grueling, grizzled and awesome work ethic of VA.
Horrible analogy, but follow me here - Rocky III
Remember the way Clubber Lang trained for his fight against Rocky - on the street, grunting, groaning - alone - pain...the street! the pull ups - the hanginging upside down in that dingy, dirty apartment -- alone.
And the way Rocky trained - in a beautiful plush hotel - it was like a circus or a party - with bubbles...
(Mic's voice) "That ain't trainin'!"
Anyway -- I always felt that we weren't really training (getting sober) since we weren't "down in VA"
I've never said that before -- I've never admitted that to anyone -- WOW! - it's freaky how stuff just pops up and stays fresh -- after 2 decades...
I hope that answers your question -- and sorry if I offended anyone from VA -- keep in mind - this is from the perception of a 16 year old boy with a drug problem -- I always wished my worries were about the things other 16 year olds worried about - like getting my drivers licence - not about eternal damnation if I didn't get sober
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That is some funny shit. I guess I am glad I was in Va. Virginia is a great state and I am glad I live Here, but everything you were told was bunk..a load of shit. Why did you believe it? Maybe we should have online webcam motivation contests to sole this. :rofl:
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On 2006-03-03 11:02:00, Squirrel wrote:
"Gamey. Wow. I'd forgotten that word too.
I hope you are over the Virginia vs. Stoughton thing because the whole game was an experiment. None of it means anyhting. For example some Synanon peole came to my school in eighth grade asking parents if their teenagers were moody, tired, depressed, hanging out with a new crowd, etc. Well yes, yes, yes, and yes. Within three months five of us from Gates Junior High were in Straight. They told our parents that based to their number of "yes's" they'd checked we were chemically dependent and would be dead in a year.
Well, I'm not chemically dependent and my parents a $160 grand lighter.
Please, believe nothing those people told you about yourself. Only you know what your issues are and only you can deal with them.
That being said, I'm glad we had fun in a candy store.
Peace,
Denisha"
Thanks Denisha -
I've gotta say after my long journey I'm in a great place -- for the most part anyway - I still catch myself at work seeing a pencil on the ground and thinking "maaan - a newcomer could grab that and..."
After Straight i did some serius soul searching - i hooked up with this other horror show group - Life Spring - (i rarely talk about it - it's a very embarrassing thing for me -- and after that gave up on the whole "group" thing -
There i was 17/18 - scared out of my mind about going back to drugs - realizing that Straigh was a very fucked up place - and AA was starting to get odd too
I went to College (not obvious by my fantastic spelling) - majored in Philosophy and went soul searching while getting the paper - the degree.
Amazing time!
I know deep in my heart that i'm an addict - I have no doubt about that - and i actually feel lucky to have that knowledge -
A good friend of mine from Straight and I often talk about Straight like it was our 'Nam - and that helps me when i see that pencil on the ground and flash back to a thought or time -- and ALL the other bizarro stuff we Straightlings have - that only we understand -
After talking to you - I'm gonna have some messed up dreams - LOL! - back in Stoughton dreams or something messed up -
If I bump into a college friend my night sleep's fine - again - our 'Nam.
i'm SO glad you're doing well - you're one of those people whose faces I see when i think back to Straight - you know what i mean - so it's GREAT that you're doing well -- somehow means I'm doing well too if that makes any sense.
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On 2006-03-03 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That is some funny shit. I guess I am glad I was in Va. Virginia is a great state and I am glad I live Here, but everything you were told was bunk..a load of shit. Why did you believe it? Maybe we should have online webcam motivation contests to sole this. :rofl: "
LOL! - there you go!
A bunch of nearing 40 year olds motivating - LOL! - that's great!
:rofl:
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I just tried motivating again and I have an office with open windows and had to look to see if my neighbor was taking out the trash...I feel a bit rusty.
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On 2006-03-03 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just tried motivating again and I have an office with open windows and had to look to see if my neighbor was taking out the trash...I feel a bit rusty."
I just - LOL!!! - i just did it too - LOL!! - I can imagine that given 5 minutes of practive I could be good to go!
LOL!
I'm SO gonna motivate at home tonight!
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On 2006-03-03 11:11:00, Father Abraham wrote:
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On 2006-03-03 10:34:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
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On 2006-03-03 10:14:00, Father Abraham wrote:
"Nope never in VA -- one of the bad parts about being in Stoughton was that EVERYTHING always came down to how much better VA was -
I was the 13th Boston intake (lucky 13) -
Here's something I NEVER told anyone -- I was felt that since I didn't my program in VA that my sobriety paled in comparison to anyone from VA
Always felt 2nd rate to VA -
huh
It's so funny - what - 20 years later and still have that VA jealousy -- or whatever it is -"
Wow! What do you mean ?? Could you elaborate and give me some more perspective ?? What do you mean VA was better ?? Curious."
Absolutely --
Let me preface this too by saying I have nothing against VA -- if anything I was always jealous of you guys -
I think that we were made to feel like the red headed step child of a new marraige...
We (the Boston Newcomers) were always told how in VA things were so much better - not in terms of fun or nicer people, but it was real sobriety.
That in VA if you didn't dislocate your shoulders motivating, well - you just weren't going to get called on.
We had it easy in Boston - in VA there 5,000,000 people trying to get called on - and like i said I was the 13th intake -- the room was pretty empty - so we didn't know what a real program was like.
That since no one misbehaved or ran for a door in Stoughton, well - then we didn't know what getting Straight was all about.
That if the floor wasn't soaked in sweat, blood and spit - we weren't really a group.
THAT was always such a sticking point - I always felt that "The Group" in VA was like a combination of the Knights of the Round Table meets The Army of Orcs (Lord of the Rings)
That Boston was a 2nd rate rehab compared to the grueling, grizzled and awesome work ethic of VA.
Horrible analogy, but follow me here - Rocky III
Remember the way Clubber Lang trained for his fight against Rocky - on the street, grunting, groaning - alone - pain...the street! the pull ups - the hanginging upside down in that dingy, dirty apartment -- alone.
And the way Rocky trained - in a beautiful plush hotel - it was like a circus or a party - with bubbles...
(Mic's voice) "That ain't trainin'!"
Anyway -- I always felt that we weren't really training (getting sober) since we weren't "down in VA"
I've never said that before -- I've never admitted that to anyone -- WOW! - it's freaky how stuff just pops up and stays fresh -- after 2 decades...
I hope that answers your question -- and sorry if I offended anyone from VA -- keep in mind - this is from the perception of a 16 year old boy with a drug problem -- I always wished my worries were about the things other 16 year olds worried about - like getting my drivers licence - not about eternal damnation if I didn't get sober
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Thanx for answering my questions. I was in Va and I thought it was brutal. I don't quite agree with the poster who said that what you were told about VA was "bunk". There were times in VA when the entire floor and the walls were covered in sweat from the group bein' made to motivate so hard. I think St. Pete was even worse and in VA I was given the impression that I should just be grateful I wasn't in St. Pete. On the other hand I'm sure you were just bein' manipulated by staff. I also think it was pro'ly harder to hide out in a smaller group. You would've had a harder time duckin' the heat. At least in VA there was some safety in the numbers. But I'm not tryin' to start some contest about who had it the worst or nothin'. We all suffered a tragic injustice. Fuck $tr8!! Peace!!
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I tested it on my dogs and they just looked at me, but i could tell they were concerned.
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Its so guy like to compare sweat and injuries. It's actually cute.
Virginia was brutal, yes. Stoughton was no picnic either. Do you know what it takes for a Government sponsored program (and Straight was one) to get shut down by the government? It tales something sooooo foul, and the push must come from within the Government. My point is that the same techniqes were used, less forceflly in Stoughton that in Virginia.
In any event, we were brainwashed, and some of us have woken up. Good morning.
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All it took in va was jch accredidation problems. maybe we did not motivate hard enough. is it possible to have a bust ass rap online?
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... Morn to ya :smile:
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On 2006-03-03 12:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I tested it on my dogs and they just looked at me, but i could tell they were concerned."
did they curl they're paw into the letter "C"?
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[ This Message was edited by: Nomad on 2006-03-03 13:05 ]
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they can't. dogs don't have opposable thumbs.
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i remember pete coyne very well....after the screw over in stoughton str8 that was done to me{witch hunt},i lived at pete's house...yes you're right..lol..pete could and did say some shit that would/could get him into trouble...that was pete!
he was a handful!....if it wasn't for pete,i would've never learned how to play the harmonica......he bet me 5.00 that i'd never learn how to play it{the first harp i ever played was his}...3 days later i was playing "heart of gold" by neil young!.....as far as which straight sucked the most?...well,i was involved in all 3...
believe me,any of you up in boston or virginia should count whatever blessings you can that you weren't in st.pete! miller ran that f-ing place
and he wasn't a great thing to brag about as far as therapy's concerned!anyone that had "the newt"
knows what i'm talking about....i was in that shit hole for 19 1/2 months....i finished off my "tenure" in virginia!...5 1/2 years later,i tried my "hand" at being a staff member and 5 weeks later,i was fired! they never told me why...
and i had a huge arguement over that episode in my life on this forum thing with one of the ppl involved in that fucking witch hunt! what happened to me up in boston,really fucked me up!
after the "conflict" between me and someone else on here,i found out many things that i just wrote off as "bad luck"....boston straight{dean "vasaline please" minstretta and sylvia koulker} set this person up to think and believe certain shit about me,had him report me for assinine shit and got me fired,then they weren't just happy with that,noooo,not them.they had to have me followed,arrested for stupid shit,and damn near killed me!....this would happen for a long time AFTER i was fired from thier str8!i lost everything.....especially my sanity....i had a long talk with the person i argued with on here and he admitted to everyone that what happened to me was a witch hunt! while we talked on the phone,
we connected the dots and discovered that they sabatoged my life!....good god almighty,i don't know what i'd do if i had the chance to see sylvia or dean....honest i don't....gotta go..talking about that time in my life gets me worked up!....hippie{by the way,any of you know how i can get in touch with irene barone? i still have crush on her!...lol}{if you do,please P.M. me!}hip again :smile:
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You are within your right to have a crush on Irene B@ron@. She was cute.
As far as Peter goes, thanks for the memories. Somehow I'm warm when you tell me how he taught you harmonica. He was a funny guy, when you knew him you could sit back and be entertained by his antics. His parents have dealt remarkably well with his murder. They are serene and happy and living in Maine. They know we all loved him. I ran into them in Sebago last year. My stepather scremed out in the middle of a restaurant...Love ya Marge! I shrunk under the table. I hate fake love!
Sorry you had three Straights. Yikes!
Denisha
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On 2006-03-01 14:53:00, Squirrel wrote:
" I was in Virginia and Stoughton 85 to 87 respectively.
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Julie M.
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Squirrel! Check your Private messages... I've been looking for a Julie M. from Stoughton ever since I found this place.The people's right to change what does not work is one of the greatest
principles in our system of government
--Richard M. Nixon
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Helena:
I don't have a message form you. Email me at squirrel@nednugent.com
Squirrel
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On 2006-03-03 15:49:00, Squirrel wrote:
"Helena:
I don't have a message form you. Email me at squirrel@nednugent.com
Squirrel
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Check again!Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me.
Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.
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hey hippie, first i heard of you having a kid. tell us about her.
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she's the ONLY good thing i have to show for all the menal anguish i went through during and after straight....her mom is a good woman,but didn't tell me about my daughter for 6 months! unfortunitly,it had an effect on our relatinship.
i tried like hell to make it work,but the feelings of being lied to and betrayed,played a part in all of what happened between us.{now straight wouldn't have anything to do with that,huh?}i live up here in inbreedsville pa,because i don't want my daughter winding up barefoot and preggers at the age of 15-17 like so many other girls around here....more than that,i couldn't leave her here to "fend" for herself.i fucked up a lot in my life and didn't want her going down that same road too....you know?..so i still live up here!its very hard...i don't have any realitives up here and i've been taken for thousands of dollars by the fucking locals....i'm just an "outsider" looking in around here...i have some friends up here,but thats about it....
i used to think i had lots of friends up here,but recent things have made me wonder about that...
anyways,just feeling a little,well a lot bluesy right now.....sorry to vent my shit out on here...i'll just shut up while i'm ahead....hippie
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my daughter's all i have.....i love her more than anything i have....to me,living in an area that has done me no favors,so she'll wind up ok,is my ultimate sacrifice.....sometimes i just don't think she see's that and it bums me out....hip
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thanks for posting. just make sure the world you leave her in owes you no favors.
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just make sure the world you leave her in owes you no favors.
?....what do you mean by that?....hip :???:
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On 2006-03-03 11:02:00, Squirrel wrote:
For example some Synanon peole came to my school in eighth grade asking parents if their teenagers were ....
:eek: From Synanon? As in... from California, representing the Synanon Church proper? Please do tell us what you know about that! Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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On 2006-03-03 12:06:00, Squirrel wrote:
Its so guy like to compare sweat and injuries. It's actually cute.
:rofl: My thoughts almost exactly! The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.
--William Safire
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On 2006-03-03 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All it took in va was jch accredidation problems. maybe we did not motivate hard enough. is it possible to have a bust ass rap online?"
Well, as always, you're welcome to try again. But I expect it'll fall apart yet again for all the same reasons it always does; in a nutshell, Rampant Talking Out In Group!
I'm glad some people have that faith. I don't have that faith. If there is a God, a caring God, then we have to figure he's done an extraordinary job of making a very cruel world.
--Dave Matthews, South African rock musician
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On 2006-03-01 14:53:00, Squirrel wrote:
" I have now had two of my friends die from Straight/post straight abuse and depression."
BUMP AND PEDOPHILES GO TO HELL AND SUFFER FOR WHAT YOU DID TO CHILDREN> THAT INCLUDES PARENTS, STAFF, POLICE, JUDGES, SCHOOLS ETC> FUCK YOU FOR KILLING MY FRIENDS AND EVEN THE ONES WHO AREN"T DEAD A LOT OF US LONG FOR DEATH AS A WAY OUT AND NOONE WHO WASN"T THERE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND.
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A LOT OF US LONG FOR DEATH AS A WAY OUT AND NOONE WHO WASN"T THERE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND.
i've felt that way a lot in the years after straight....i go to counseling for it and other shit.....i hope it gets better for you...just thought i'd tell you that...hip {if you want,write me private,and i'll give you my number or write back...ok?...cool}
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http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia. ... nanon.html (http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/synanon.html)
Hi:
This is synanon. Take Christianity, remove the love and comassion. Insert an misquided zeal, have the governement sponsor It. Look it up. The whole thing is so calculated, and our poor parrents were shafted, and we were robbed of our ego
Look it up. It will feel familiar.
Love D.
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On 2006-03-03 11:39:00, Binky wrote:
On 2006-03-03 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That is some funny shit. I guess I am glad I was in Va. Virginia is a great state and I am glad I live Here, but everything you were told was bunk..a load of shit. Why did you believe it? Maybe we should have online webcam motivation contests to sole this. ::hehehmm::
Love ya! :wave:
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On 2006-03-05 17:23:00, Squirrel wrote:
"http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/synanon.html
Hi:
This is synanon. Take Christianity, remove the love and comassion. Insert an misquided zeal, have the governement sponsor It. Look it up. The whole thing is so calculated, and our poor parrents were shafted, and we were robbed of our ego
Look it up. It will feel familiar.
Love D.
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Thanx for the link Squirrel. Red it. More power to you D. To know the history. To see $tr8 in the womb of Synanon. I have "The Tunnel Back" sittin' on my coffee table. A survivor friend gave it to me a while back but I've only red the first little bit so far...afraid of what I will see...We need you around here.
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On 2006-03-06 08:09:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
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On 2006-03-03 11:39:00, Binky wrote:
On 2006-03-03 11:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That is some funny shit. I guess I am glad I was in Va. Virginia is a great state and I am glad I live Here, but everything you were told was bunk..a load of shit. Why did you believe it? Maybe we should have online webcam motivation contests to sole this. ::hehehmm::
Love ya! :scared:
LOL!
~ Binky
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On 2006-03-01 14:53:00, Squirrel wrote:
" I was in Virginia and Stoughton 85 to 87 respectively.
It's like a bizzaro high school, where I know more about my fellow StraightMates than I ever cared to, yet it would be so difficult to have a reunion. I am torn between wanting to speak to those who have experienced the wierdness, and just wanting to pretend it happened to someone else.
Forget all the nonsense and people being rude on this forum. To all of you who are thinking independently and critically now...I send you my love and respect.
I have now had two of my friends die from Straight/post straight abuse and depression. I wish you all peace:
Pam Lawrence (missing, homeless)
Janina Moore
Christine Brady
Mitzi
Julie M.
Damon M.
Chris Min.
Chris J.
Buffy A.
Jean Con.
Irene B.
Patricia B.
Peter Coyne (dead)
Chris Bartoloni (dead)
Peter and Barbara
The Yates'
Joe Matz
etc.
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On 2006-03-03 13:59:00, stillahippie564 wrote:
"i remember pete coyne very well....after the screw over in stoughton str8 that was done to me{witch hunt},i lived at pete's house...yes you're right..lol..pete could and did say some shit that would/could get him into trouble...that was pete!
he was a handful!....if it wasn't for pete,i would've never learned how to play the harmonica......he bet me 5.00 that i'd never learn how to play it{the first harp i ever played was his}...3 days later i was playing "heart of gold" by neil young!.....as far as which straight sucked the most?...well,i was involved in all 3...
believe me,any of you up in boston or virginia should count whatever blessings you can that you weren't in st.pete! miller ran that f-ing place
and he wasn't a great thing to brag about as far as therapy's concerned!anyone that had "the newt"
knows what i'm talking about....i was in that shit hole for 19 1/2 months....i finished off my "tenure" in virginia!...5 1/2 years later,i tried my "hand" at being a staff member and 5 weeks later,i was fired! they never told me why...
and i had a huge arguement over that episode in my life on this forum thing with one of the ppl involved in that fucking witch hunt! what happened to me up in boston,really fucked me up!
after the "conflict" between me and someone else on here,i found out many things that i just wrote off as "bad luck"....boston straight{dean "vasaline please" minstretta and sylvia koulker} set this person up to think and believe certain shit about me,had him report me for assinine shit and got me fired,then they weren't just happy with that,noooo,not them.they had to have me followed,arrested for stupid shit,and damn near killed me!....this would happen for a long time AFTER i was fired from thier str8!i lost everything.....especially my sanity....i had a long talk with the person i argued with on here and he admitted to everyone that what happened to me was a witch hunt! while we talked on the phone,
we connected the dots and discovered that they sabatoged my life! "
hippie i think there is a name for this, other cults do it, they stalk old cult members and fuck with them. personally due to Straight and two other cults i was in i had to change my name and then change it again when i accidentally met someone i didn't realize was in one of the cults. fuckin sorry life my "parents" picked for me. on the other hand, once i faced the truth about what sadistic people i had allowed near me i was able to luckily get some qualified counseling and make better choices about who i trusted and got involved with.
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Binky
Your remembered...everyday!!!
And it is BobbyKay check the 5-phase OBS book!!!
I think it was your entry...Oh Shit now I did it?I broke a rule...Start me over to day 1 then give me a smoke and a hot lady....
Smoke a BUTT!!!
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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On 2006-04-03 18:52:00, Bobbykay wrote:
"Binky
Your remembered...everyday!!!
And it is BobbyKay check the 5-phase OBS book!!!
I think it was your entry...Oh Shit now I did it?I broke a rule...Start me over to day 1 then give me a smoke and a hot lady....
Smoke a BUTT!!!
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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BobbyKay!!!
GREAT to hear from you!!!!
Not a day goes by I don't think of you! and all of it makes me smile -- even the lights being flicked on and off which started the whole thing!
Smoke a Butt! -- maaan - riiight after I try on this gold bracelet - LOL!
I miss you - glad you're back in contact with The Magistrate - Pond-Stick would love to have dinner with you guys some time - or just "skip rocks" -- 36 yrs old now - so my arm will hurt the next day.
~T-Bone
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Hello,
Not sure if anyone follows these anymore. I was in VA/ Stoughton in 85-87 sometime. I just happened to look it up today and ended up here. Not really sure why. I read quite a bit and remember some of the names. I was in with Fitz, the crew down in Scituate, the Davis brothers, and a host of others. Remember Meyers and the staff member who was big guy, named Jim. Todd and Bobby. A little guy - he was a welder I think. Rick A, Doug B, Greg + Allan the brothers. Lou.
Life is good. Married, three kids.
Anyone still follow this board?