Post by: Troll Control on February 15, 2006, 02:33:00 PM
Recently they have let go two teachers and a counselor who was just a few weeks shy of "graduating" his peer group (Bill White).
There have been rumors to the effect that HLA has become financially insolvent. There are Ed Cons inquiring about HLA's financial stability and having reservations about placing more kids there. There has been a persistent buzz that one of HLA's major financing sources may be going to cut them off from further funding.
Can anyone shed some light on these issues?
Post by: Short Bus on February 15, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
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Post by: Troll Control on February 15, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
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On 2006-02-15 13:12:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Hmmm, perhaps it's a sign of things to come? Such as HLA withering away to NOTHING! :wave: "
I think you may be on to something, Bus.
In addition to the three folks I mentioned before, I've learned that three other counselors have resigned. That's six employees in a matter of weeks.
Sounds like a classic "salary dump" and a few resignations in its wake due to corporate instability and fear that they may be next on the chopping block.
I've also heard that a significant number of kids have been sent to wilderness and to lockups as well. Maybe HLA has jettisoned its "scholarship" kids now too.
This dovetails with the fact that their Mountain Brook Academy project is all but dead and not even on life support. The local board smells something rotten and aren't going to make any concessions to the good doctor. I know the up-front costs to build would have been huge. Maybe they are in bad shape financially and can't secure the loan needed to fund MBA.
In any case, they're clearly unraveling. We'll just have to see how far it goes.
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 15, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Cybil Truth your thoughts?
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 08:00:00 AM
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On 2006-02-15 11:33:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Has anyone heard of any public reasons why Hidden Lake Academy is downsizing its staff?
Recently they have let go two teachers and a counselor who was just a few weeks shy of "graduating" his peer group (Bill White).
There have been rumors to the effect that HLA has become financially insolvent. There are Ed Cons inquiring about HLA's financial stability and having reservations about placing more kids there. There has been a persistent buzz that one of HLA's major financing sources may be going to cut them off from further funding.
Can anyone shed some light on these issues?
"
What financing sources do they have and which one is about to cut them off?
Post by: Troll Control on February 16, 2006, 08:31:00 AM
Suffice it to say, for now, that there is legitimate concern about HLA's "treatment" practices.
There is also a lender that HLA tried to engage for a loan for the construction of Mountain Brook Academy. I have heard that the application was rejected, but don't yet know all the details (just hearsay at this point in time). When I do, I will pass them on.
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Post by: Troll Control on February 16, 2006, 08:43:00 AM
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What financing sources do they have and which one is about to cut them off?
Please check your PM's. Thanks.
Post by: Son Of Serbia on February 16, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
I witnessed the permanant closure of my own adolescent prison (Cedu Running Springs)last year, and the fantastic sense of relief I felt at that moment was exhilirating beyond description. It gave me the sense of closure that I was looking for. I had a newfound piece of mind in knowing Cedu wouldn't be hurting anymore kids. Justice was finally done.
HLA is a disease that must be eradicated before the true healing can begin. I sincerely wish that everyone who suffered at HLA will one day share in my experience.
Please keep us posted DJ.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
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On 2006-02-15 11:33:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Has anyone heard of any public reasons why Hidden Lake Academy is downsizing its staff?
Recently they have let go two teachers and a counselor who was just a few weeks shy of "graduating" his peer group (Bill White).
There have been rumors to the effect that HLA has become financially insolvent. There are Ed Cons inquiring about HLA's financial stability and having reservations about placing more kids there. There has been a persistent buzz that one of HLA's major financing sources may be going to cut them off from further funding.
Can anyone shed some light on these issues?
"
I just checked the website and Bill White's name is still there. Of course, they've been known to keep names of staff on the website who haven't worked there for decades. Anyone know the names of the teachers who have been let go?
Post by: Antigen on February 16, 2006, 12:34:00 PM
As I've learned about the industry as it exists today, I've often wondered about you guys now working in the industry. In the early `80's, under pressure from regulators and the public, they started duping various holders of various non-medical PhD's into fronting for their programs. Dr. Hugh Burns (doctorate in education) was a prime example. Nice guy, as I recall. Totally fucking clueless as to what was going on in the group room when he wasn't there or in the host homes. But more recently, you guys actually work in some capacity directly w/ the kids.
So I've wondered how in thee hell they get licensed, credentialed professionals to play along with their mad games? What do you make of it? How can so many keep so quiet?
It's just nice to see you guys putting your heads together and exposing these sadistic lunatics. Any chance of you guys seeing if you've got some good contacts in the Cinci area? Check out http://cincinnatibeacon.com/ (http://cincinnatibeacon.com/) They've got a bad case of tyrannical altruism working there.
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Post by: Son Of Serbia on February 16, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
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On 2006-02-16 09:34:00, Eudora wrote:
"So I've wondered how in thee hell they get licensed, credentialed professionals to play along with their mad games? What do you make of it? How can so many keep so quiet? "
If there's one thing I've learned in my own business experience, it's this: Everyone has their price. If you throw enough green around, you can get just about anyone to say whatever you want them to. For most people this is enough. It's rare, but there are those select few people out there who refuse to be bought. Still, even they have secrets they don't want revealed, just like the rest of us. This leads me to my next point: if you can't bribe someone, you can always blackmail them. I'm quite sure this had something to do with it.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 16, 2006, 06:43:00 PM
Post by: SHH on February 16, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 16, 2006, 09:35:00 PM
Would you like me to post the link or are you going to do us all a favor and shut your mouth?
Post by: SHH on February 16, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
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On 2006-02-16 18:38:00, SHH wrote:
"What I said, Robert, was that I didn't know what the balance sheet looked like. That doesn't mean I don't know about other aspects of financial items. However, this anonymous person claims to have knowledge of the balance sheet. I just wonder about the accuracy of their statement is all. Rumors and fact are two very different things. Coincidently, the financial status rumors started after a particular person was fired...hmmm....makes one wonder. "
Again you seek to play with semantics Bullfrog. You claimed to be familiar with all of the operating cost of the school as well as the amount of money it was taking in. No different from what this person is saying.
Im curious though, why is it you believe every person who comes on here and has disparaging remarks concerning the school (aka tells the truth about it) has some hidden agenda or is trying to seek revenge?
Arent you pushing your own agenda Bullfrog?
Post by: Troll Control on February 17, 2006, 07:46:00 AM
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On 2006-02-16 16:15:00, SHH wrote:
"Are you their accountant? Unless you are, you have no idea what the balance sheet looks like. Neither do I, but if you aren't in the business office or the school's accountant you cannot speak from a position of knowledge of the school's financial situation. If you claim to have such knowledge, I suggest you post it for review."
Go ask Bill what happened to the loan for MBA. If you listen carefully you will hear a toilet flushing... That's just a symptom of the problems.
Post by: Troll Control on February 17, 2006, 10:39:00 AM
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On 2006-02-17 04:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-16 16:15:00, SHH wrote:
"Are you their accountant? Unless you are, you have no idea what the balance sheet looks like. Neither do I, but if you aren't in the business office or the school's accountant you cannot speak from a position of knowledge of the school's financial situation. If you claim to have such knowledge, I suggest you post it for review."
Go ask Bill what happened to the loan for MBA. If you listen carefully you will hear a toilet flushing... That's just a symptom of the problems. "
Please do. And be sure to fill us in on the details.
SHH, which employee that was "recently fired" do you believe to be the source of the financial instability rumors? I happen to have a contact that is still there and I am told it is the majority of the staff that is concerned with their futures, not one "rumor monger."
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
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On 2006-02-17 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is Johnny Lott still there? Perhaps the gave him the axe..."
We're not going to know until our regular die-hard HLA supporters come on tell the story.
Usually if you don't get an immediate denial from 2 or 3 staffers it's safe to assume what's posted is true.
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
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On 2006-02-18 06:35:00, SHH wrote:
"Why don't you just ask your inside informant whether Johnny is still there or not Steve. I am sure he knows since he knows so much else about the school's inner workings and is one of their older employees."
I'm asking you. You said you're plugged in there. Can't you just answer?
I personally don't care about Johnny Lot's staus. Somebody else asked and I thought you might be able to answer. If you can't or won't, just say so. No hard feelings.
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 10:25:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 10:32:00 AM
His pic on the webpage means nothing. We know for sure Bill White is gone, but his pic remains. I think they do this to give the appearance that staff doesn't turn over about once a year, which it does.
Why are you so defensive about being asked for information? You've provided what YOU wanted to provide, unsolicited, for the past year or more, citing your connections to the campus as the source. Why do you not want to provide more information? Is it that this information is unseemly and you'd rather not tell the truth to protect the image of the facility? Or is it that you just don't know anything?
Like I said before, if you won't or can't answer just say so. I'll get what I need elsewhere. But this useless banter you keep posting does nothing to advance the topic of the thread. So, please, be productive or just don't post.
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 11:01:00 AM
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I know about some things and others I don't thats all.
Maybe you can learn to say "I don't know" right up front rather than waste my time and energy running in circles with you. If you don't know, just say so. Nobody's going to beat you over the head for that.
It's when you give the runaround rather than just being truthful that it gets nasty around here. I personally have more respect for someone who is honest about their knowledge or lack thereof.
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 05:44:00 PM
::bwahaha2::
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 07:36:00, SHH wrote:
"I could ask about him I guess but I havent yet. I was just htinking since you had an inside person you could just ask them about his status. Im not trying to be defensive, I just dont know about that particular person's status because I havent asked. I know about some things and others I don't thats all. "
Him? Who is him Bullfrog? Your ex? Remember you swore up and down you and he dont talk about the school.
So which is it?
Post by: Deborah on February 18, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
You posted three times, the same basic message but didn't answer the question DJ asked:
SHH, which employee that was "recently fired" do you believe to be the source of the financial instability rumors?
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
The reason of course being you have no reason to know nor anyone who would be willing to tell you.
Oh and thanks for reinforcing my position by dodging my questions...yet again.
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 07:21:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 15:50:00, SHH wrote:
"I cant give you that information Deborah. Sorry."
Why not? If they're no longer there, what difference does it make?
Post by: Deborah on February 18, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 19:11:00, SHH wrote:
And what gives you the idea that I am fat anon? Just because Robert says I am means nothing. He doesn't know what I look like. And neither does anybody else on here."
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Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 10:22:00 PM
A. Mentioned knowing what you look like.
B. Caring what you look like. Your personality explains everything I need to know.
C. Mentioning that you were fat.
Now on the other hand Dysfunction does in fact know exactly what you look like and has described you as something resembling a Mexican Bullfrog.
Sorry Cybil Im going to take Dysfunctions word on the matter over yours. Considering he tells the truth and you....well youre full of shit preety much all of the time.
As to the other matter, you again operate as if everyone else on here was as dumb as you.
The truth of the matter is we arent so just like your stupid claim that it was some imaginary coworker of yours making all those post this one holds no water either.
You have no such contact at HLA. Unless of course you want to admit you lied about your discussions with your ex concerning school issues. In which case I would again question the ethics on such a matter. Why would he have a need to discuss school matters with you?
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Deborah on February 18, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 19:11:00, SHH wrote:
"No Deborah it means that I am not able to divulge that information because I am not going to, for their sake.
Well, I'm not convinced you weren't fishin. Not able? Or not going to?
I mean, you imagined that a person started a rumor about HLA's financial status because they were fired, and now you're not going to divulge their name, for their sake. You have not shown concern for other 'disgruntled' employees and participants in the past. Not like you, SHH.
Until you produce a name, I'm going to assume you were 'hoping' that the rumor was started by someone who was fired. That is more in line with your MO.
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 10:45:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 19:45:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve does not know, in fact, what I look like. It has been over 11 years since he and I were in the same place at the same time and I didnt look like a Mexican bullfrog then and I don't look like one now. I am half hispanic, however, I do not look Mexican. Nor do I look like a bullfrog. But yes Robert you did in fact say many things about my appearance, my qualifications as a parent, and called me a skank ho and a child abuser. So, what does that say about you? I never called you such things, factual or not, Robert, it was wrong. "
Good god woman!!! Would you please get a grip??? Did ya happen to see this........
?::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin::
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 11:21:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 19:45:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve does not know, in fact, what I look like. It has been over 11 years since he and I were in the same place at the same time and I didnt look like a Mexican bullfrog then and I don't look like one now. I am half hispanic, however, I do not look Mexican. Nor do I look like a bullfrog. But yes Robert you did in fact say many things about my appearance, my qualifications as a parent, and called me a skank ho and a child abuser. So, what does that say about you? I never called you such things, factual or not, Robert, it was wrong. "
Like I said honey whenever you get done playing the victim on the cross.....
Im sorry Bullfrog but you have lied about numerous things (none of which you have the courage to address) Steve has shown himself to be an honest and credible person. Whereas you have zero credibility. As to the statements Ive made about you....well I stand behind them. I would however caution you, dont stand up on that pedestal to long, youre likely to have some of your own words thrown right back in your face.
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
so often, that it doesn't matter..I don't know what the amounts are or if they have placed liens on the property...or, if they have been settled.. Then, there are the 'pending' potential
lawsuits from some families...
Post by: Deborah on February 18, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 19:45:00, SHH wrote:
"Steve does not know, in fact, what I look like. It has been over 11 years since he and I were in the same place at the same time and I didnt look like a Mexican bullfrog then and I don't look like one now. I am half hispanic, however, I do not look Mexican. Nor do I look like a bullfrog. But yes Robert you did in fact say many things about my appearance, my qualifications as a parent, and called me a skank ho and a child abuser. So, what does that say about you? I never called you such things, factual or not, Robert, it was wrong. "
IT SAYS THAT HE'S STILL PISSED OFF AT YOU FOR MINIMIZING HIS PAIN. FOR STALKING HIM AND CLAIMING THAT EVERYTHING HE SAID ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WAS A LIE. BAITING HIM FOR INFORMATION ANONYMOUSLY. TAG-TEAM BAITING WITH YOUR HLA COMPADRE. ATTEMPTING TO EXPOSE HIS IDENTITY. AND I'M CERTAIN THERE ARE OTHERS.
In the big picture, is 'child abuser, skank ho, bullfrog' any worse than 'liar'? I think not.
Consider offering him a sincere public apology.. in the hopes that we can all move on.
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:42:00 PM
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Post by: Troll Control on February 20, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
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On 2006-02-18 20:42:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Do you know of any counselors who are gone?"
Joy Wunderlich- Addictions counselor
Miya Martin- Counselor
Donna Gardner- Counselor
Bill White- Counselor (Fired)
Julie Allen- Assistant Counselor
Molly (don't know last name)- Assistant Coun.
There are more as well. Names will be forthcoming.
Post by: juniper2 on February 20, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
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On 2006-02-20 11:58:00, SHH wrote:
"Aren't Julie Allen and Chris Allen married to each other? "
Dunno, but they're both gone. I hear Johnny Lott will most likely be gone by the end of the week, too. People are running from there like rats jumping off a sinking ship.
Post by: juniper2 on February 20, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
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Post by: juniper2 on February 20, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 21, 2006, 12:28:00 PM
STATE TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/01/2001
2.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY GA DEPT OF LABOR STATE LIEN
WITHDRAWN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/28/2002
3.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY INTERNAL REVENUE
SERVICE
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
04/11/2001
4.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
INTERNAL REVENUE
SERVICE
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/21/2004
5.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS RELEASED
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
04/25/2005
6.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
10/23/2003
7.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
03/15/2005
8.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS RELEASED
FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/28/2005
9.HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY
INC
USA IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
01/18/2006
10.HIDDEN LAKE
ACADEMYINC A CORPOR
IRS FEDERAL TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
06/21/2004
*11.HIDDEN LAKE INC GA DEPT OF LABOR RELEASED
STATE TAX
LIEN
BIBB COUNTY, GA 06/17/2004
*12.HIDDEN LAKE INC STATE OF GA STATE TAX
LIEN
BIBB COUNTY, GA 03/29/2004
*13.HIDDEN LAKE INC STATE OF GEORGIA TAX LIEN BIBB COUNTY, GA 03/29/2004
14.HLA INC HIDDEN LAKE
ACADEMY
STATE OF GA STATE TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
11/17/2005
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
*Items 11, 12, and 13 seem to apply to another similarly named corporation.
It looks like the financial trouble has been building for several years. Maybe it's reached a point now where there just isn't any way for these people to get any more funds and they have to cut back on staff and future projects.
One thing is clear: They don't like to pay their taxes!
Post by: Troll Control on February 21, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
Current Date: 02/19/2006
Court Current Through: 01-30-2006
Source: CLERK OF THE COURT, FULTON COUNTY STATE COURT, GA
Database Last Updated: 02-13-2006
CASE INFORMATION
Case Number: 2002VS027231
Filing Date: 01/09/2002
Case Type: DEBT, NON-PAYMENT
Filing Office: FULTON COUNTY STATE COURT
185 CENTRAL AVE RM TG-100
ATLANTA, GA 30303
Venue: FULTON, GA
PARTY INFORMATION
Plaintiff: D & E CONTRACTORS INC
Defendant: HIDDEN LAKE ACADEMY INC
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 10:08:00 AM
#4 & #5 & #10 are the same lien, and it was released 4/25/05.
#7 & #8 are the same and it was released on 6/28/05.
I still have to research #3, #6, #9 & #14.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2006, 10:14:00 AM
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On 2006-02-22 06:47:00, SHH wrote:
"D & E Contractors was dissolved in 2003 according to the corporations website. From what I heard, the owner died in 2001 or 2002. There must have been a dispute over unfinished work or something but I am just guessing. I think the suit was withdrawn or satisfied. "
Unfinished work? If that were the case, would HLA be the plantiff? What indicated that it was withdrawn or satisfied?
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: odie on February 22, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
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Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 22, 2006, 01:45:00 PM
14.HLA INC HIDDEN LAKE
ACADEMY
STATE OF GA STATE TAX
LIEN
LUMPKIN COUNTY,
GA
11/17/2005
This is the query from which the information was returned:
QUERY - (DEB( HIDDEN /3 LAKE)) &
STA(GA)
DATABASE(S) - LJ-ALL
I have a contact who runs tax queries (BTW my family's business is lien/debt acquisition - we buy debt and forclose on the assets). It's legitimate and it's current.
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 22, 2006, 05:11:00 PM
I mean youre claiming about lawsuits that you think you might have heard about?
Meanwhile were presenting verifiable facts.
Also can you go into why HLA would on such a regular basis fail to pay taxes?
Just speculate if you dont know.
Oh and Im curious again. Why are you so eager and willing to research this but you refused to contact ORS to verify that HLA was not properly licensed?
Let me know.
Post by: Troll Control on February 22, 2006, 05:20:00 PM
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Oh and Im curious again. Why are you so eager and willing to research this but you refused to contact ORS to verify that HLA was not properly licensed?
Great question. SHH will go to virtually any length to try to invalidate criticisms, except apparently when she knows that the outcome will look bad for HLA (like blatantly obvious violations of law) - in that case she ignores the request to look into the facts.
Post by: RobertBruce on February 22, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Jesus Christ its only been nine months she takes care of TWO disabled family members, she has to talk to her mole, she has to keep constant tabs on her ex with the gps tracking device she placed on him, she has a pretend job to go to, and she has to defend HLA as she was recently knighted by Lord Lenoard.
son of a bitch.
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 06:27:00 PM
BTW Robert....all of this "nonsense" is verifiable on search systems, a search website, and the Georgia Dept of Revenue website, and a few other websites. I'm not making this stuff up. Why don't you check it out yourself.
Post by: Troll Control on February 22, 2006, 06:35:00 PM
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As far as moles, youd have to talk to Steve about that, I have friends, not moles.
Why is it that my friends are "moles" and yours are friends? Why are you disparaging my friends? Are they somehow less honorable than the friends you have?
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You see, I do actually have a REAL job
Who are you saying doesn't have a real job? Why is your job REAL and other people's aren't?
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all this information is easily obtainable, if you know what to look for
Maybe you don't know the best way to get this type of information. I get it on anybody, anywhere at any time.
HLA has a live lien filed by the State of Georgia. You missed that one.
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-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-02-22 15:35 ]
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
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I guess I will have to call them directly to verify this
While you're on the phone, why don't you give ORS a ring, too. Apparently you DO have the time.
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
(http://http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:N5gbgBywFIEnKM:www.fotosearch.com/comp/ART/ART182/OBJ018.jpg)
Only kidding. Hey, if you come up with a satisfactory answer that you can back up with something OTHER than your opinion or someone else's anecdotal success, great. You haven't done it so far though.
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2006, 07:56:00 PM
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Post by: RobertBruce on February 22, 2006, 08:41:00 PM
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On 2006-02-22 15:27:00, SHH wrote:
"I didnt contact ORS because I didnt feel like it. In this case all I had to do was use my search engine I use for liens and recorded property deeds. You see, I do actually have a REAL job as a mortgage loan underwriter, where liens and deed searches are a weekly thing for me. Its something easy. Getting on the phone with ORS isnt as easy for me and I never got around to it. As far as moles, youd have to talk to Steve about that, I have friends, not moles. And if you just go to search systems website, the county websites, and the department of revenue, all this information is easily obtainable, if you know what to look for. As far as why they didn't pay these items when they were due, I don't know, but I do know some amounts were quite large and they probably set up payment plans for them. Alot of them I found have been released usually within 6-12 months of being filed. As far as GPS'in Bill, no thanks....his wife keeps track of him just fine without my help LOL
BTW Robert....all of this "nonsense" is verifiable on search systems, a search website, and the Georgia Dept of Revenue website, and a few other websites. I'm not making this stuff up. Why don't you check it out yourself."
If you have a real job I cant imagien why they havent fired you yet. You spend all day looking up stuff that has nothing to do with your work and fighting a losing battle on here.
But you still havent answered my questions (nothing new there)
1. Why are you so willing to research this but not the licensure issue when you were willing to talk about it like you knew it to be a fact.
2. Are you willing to cite your sources yes or no?
There you go slob just two little questions. Oh I do need to call you on one or two things though. The first one being your claim to have friends.....Bullfrog no one likes you, not even your own family. You must know that by now. Second if you arent interested in tracking your ex husband why is it every time hes mentioned you know exactly where he is and whats hes doing?
A bit obsessed are we?
Post by: Deborah on February 22, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
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On 2006-02-22 16:32:00, SHH wrote:
"Ok I found an email address for the ORS and sent them an email just now. I will post their response on licensing requirements when I get it. Satisfied now? "
Shh, mind sharing what you asked?
If someone wanted a definitive answer, they should ask ORS how they would classify a facility that:
Provides diagnoses for their charges.
Provdes daily, mandatory 'therapy'.
Houses kids for 18-24 months, until they complete a 5 step 'program'.
Issues consequences for 'bad' behavior (BM).
Denies access to family and visits home.
Conducts physical restraints when deemed necessary.
The list could go on, but that should be sufficient to elicit the reply, "an RTF"- Residential Treatment Facility in Ga terminology.
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-02-22 18:15 ]
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
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On 2006-02-22 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"Ask a thick, brick wall...I'm sure it will give you better explanations and answers the stupid ass SSSSSHHHHHHHH"
Post by: juniper2 on February 22, 2006, 10:55:00 PM
Bradstreet statistics....we already know what is released and what isn't...what is the point..??
What the Hell do you care if HLA has a current lien from
the IRS? So What??You are not investing in them, you do not have a child there, you are not
seeking employment there, you do not even live in Georgia...Are you worried about child support?
What is your problem? You do not even have a lawsuit against them...
Post by: Deborah on February 22, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
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On 2006-02-22 19:31:00, SHH wrote:
"You know some of these happen at public schools every day. Especially number 4 and number 6. "
I'm not going to spend my time outlining the differences between public school and HLA, because we both know there is a world of difference. Sometimes, it's just better to remain silent if you have nothing relevant to contribute.
Post by: juniper2 on February 22, 2006, 11:10:00 PM
or insolvency in a court room, they also use these stats...The attorney's pay a huge fee
each month be able to access, accurate data...Whether released or not released and why,
I doubt very much an attorney would rely on some morons internet search, that took a 30 hour or so class to become a mortgage writer..broker,
whatever...They have analysts that track these
companies...
Post by: juniper2 on February 22, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 11:24:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on February 22, 2006, 11:36:00 PM
determine by just reading the list whether they were released or not..It says it...One can also determine by the dates, which ones were extended,
part of each other, then expunged...Clearly the only two in question were the current IRS lien
and the State tax, which was minimal...THe IRS being so recent and up-dated is HLA's current
problem as the list conveys...It is a 'RED FLAG', CRIMSON to investors, and other cadidates.The others are just a history of slow payments..nothing more nothing less..It was all there, I cannnot believe you took an entire lunch
hour to research what was already there..THe list
is out of logical order, but that is the way
they are processed...
Post by: SHH on February 22, 2006, 11:44:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on February 23, 2006, 12:08:00 AM
Post by: Deborah on February 23, 2006, 12:20:00 AM
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On 2006-02-22 20:16:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Please publish, so we can all write...I would like to write them, you say you have e-mailed, them, why don't we 'ALL' e-mail them....what fun![ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-02-22 20:19 ]"
Office of Regulatory Services
Two Peachtree Street, NW
Atlanta, Georgia 30303-3142
Phone: 404.657.5700
Fax: 404.657.5708
E-mail: mapalli@dhr.state.ga.us
Residential Child Care Section
Two Peachtree Street, NW
Suite 32.458
Atlanta, Georgia 30303-3142
Phone: (404) 657-9644
Fax: (404) 657-9637
If you contact ORS, you should do more than ask questions. They need to hear from as many people as are willing, the many reasons that HLA, for all intents and purposes, is an RTC.
Post by: juniper2 on February 23, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
Post by: SHH on February 23, 2006, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: SHH on February 23, 2006, 06:53:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on February 23, 2006, 08:21:00 AM
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On 2006-02-22 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"back to the topic. is HLA downsizing? any factual info regarding counselors who left such as Bill White? fired? chose to leave? why? what happens to his former students? are any new students/inmates being incarcerated? chances of HLA being shutdown from "the outside". thanks"
Joy Wunderlich- Addictions counselor
Miya Martin- Counselor
Donna Gardner- Counselor
Bill White- Counselor (Fired)
Julie Allen- Assistant Counselor
Molly (don't know last name)- Assistant Coun.
Plus Chris Allen, Bill Lumburg, at least two teachers, the nurse and the psychiatrist. I'd be surprised if Johnny Lott is still there by today.
So that comes to 13 gone in less than a month out of 145 employees - nearly 10% of staff overall and there are more coming. This is nearly a half million dollars in salary dumps in less than a month. You don't have to be a genius to figure it out.
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2006, 08:23:00 AM
HLA has systematically and knowingly lied to the state about their true purpose to avoid over sight and regulation.
Shhh if youre to stupid to recognize that then I truly feel sorry for you.
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
Can you explain why HLA would have chosen not to pay their taxes to begin with?
Are you really going to argue that HLA and public schools are even remotely the same thing?
Post by: Troll Control on February 23, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
DJ
Post by: Deborah on February 23, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
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On 2006-02-22 22:20:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Deborah...RTC??"
Residential Treatment Center. In Ga they refer to them as Residential Treatment Facility (RTF).
SHH would like others to believe that HLA is unique because they offer (or claim to offer) college prep education. That is their choice, but first and foremost, they are an RTC, by any states or government agency's definition.
Any facility that boards kids 24/7/365 and offers the services HLA does is technically an RTC. Providing education- from self study to more advanced- does not change the classification because all RTCs are required to provide appropriate education or send the kids to public schools. You can't isolate a kid for 'treatment' and deny their education.
Post by: Deborah on February 23, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
Post by: odie on February 23, 2006, 10:28:00 AM
Janis, Jimi, Gery, Timothy... Did you HAVE to get so close to the edge to get a really good view?
-- Anonymous
Post by: Anonymous on February 23, 2006, 10:40:00 PM
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On 2006-02-23 05:57:00, Deborah wrote:
"
While you are asking questions, you should ask why RC hasn't been inspected since they were licensed in 2001. In Tx, RTCs and Wilderness programs are inspected every 3-6 months, depending on the record of violations. "
11 Outdoor Therapeutic Camps listed. Only one offers an inspection report:
TWIN CEDARS YOUTH SVS, INC.- BEECH CREEK
This was June 2004 and inspections appear to be conducted annually.
http://www.ors.dhr.state.ga.us/facsearchs.asp (http://www.ors.dhr.state.ga.us/facsearchs.asp)
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 27, 2006, 09:53:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 08:15:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 27, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
We could always pull the veil again.
Post by: Troll Control on February 27, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
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On 2006-02-27 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"steve come you have to do better than this
"
:???:
Are you talking to me? If so, you'll need to clarify. If not, sorry for bothering you.
Post by: juniper2 on February 27, 2006, 11:49:00 PM
licensure becasue their primary purpose is
education...Hla has separate classroom from
residences...and there is no case planning
for it's students...also, because they do not
have domain over the children in their care....
I still was not answered "why they advertise as a therapeutic boarding school?"...why are
all the children there for help and why a great
percentage are dispensed drugs?? Hel-lo???
Post by: Anonymous on February 28, 2006, 09:40:00 AM
2. Any bona fide boarding school whose PRIMARY PURPOSE of admission is EDUCATION, provided that such facility in order to claim exemption shall operate under a published academic educational curriculum which meets the requirements of the State Department of Education, shall have classroom facilities which are not used for residential living, shall not have been granted nor have assumed legal custody of children attending the facility, and SHALL NOT PROVIDE SERVICE PLANNING AND CASEWORK SERVICES as described in these rules.*
What?s questionable is
1) ?Primary Purpose of Admission is Education?
Q: How can the primary purpose of an 18 month therapeutic program be Education?
2) ?Service Planning and Casework Services?
Do the following not meet the criteria for Assessment/Planning/Casework Services?
Although most of our students struggle with issues of Oppositional Defiant Disorder, we SEPERATE AND TREAT all of our students' needs WITH SPECIALIZED ATTENTION. Hidden Lake Academy offers a strong THERAPEUTIC CURRICULUM, coupled with SPECIALIZED "adjunct" THERAPEUTIC SERVICES which address other clinical issues such as; addictive, compulsive and self-destructive behaviors.
While supported in a caring, loving environment, students are taught the lessons of healthy living and the importance of academic achievement. During the course of the THERAPEUTIC PROGRAM at HLA, students move through five sequentially planned counseling segments called Elements. Elements are designed to build on each other progressively, and each Element introduces concepts that are crucial to the student's personal development and success.
Counselors receive weekly supervision by Doctoral and licensed Staff. In addition, biweekly therapeutic staffings are held to develop SPECIFIC TREATMENT GOALS and INTERVENTIONS for EACH STUDENT.
Our Commitment
?An INDIVIDUALIZED THERAPEUTIC PLAN, including CLINICAL TREATMENT GOALS, is maintained and revised by clinical supervisors throughout the enrollment of the student.
On a weekly basis, students participate in special group therapy sessions based on themes such as adoption, divorce, poor social skills, etc. INDIVIDUALIZED THERAPEUTIC SERVICES are available for students with particular issues, such as addiction, eating disorders or self-destructive behaviors.
290-2-5-.10 Assessment and Planning.
An institution shall complete a full written assessment of each child admitted for care and
of each child's family within thirty days of admission and develop an individual written
service plan for each child based on the assessments within thirty days of admission. If an
assessment is not completed within thirty days, the reasons for the delay shall be documented in the child's case record and such documentation shall include statements indicating when the assessment is expected to be completed.
(a) The assessment shall be completed by the child's designated Human Services
Professional. The assessment shall assess the needs of the child in the areas of health
care, education, family relationships, personal and social development, psychological and
personal development, and vocational development. This assessment is intended to expand upon the initial intake evaluation required by Rule .09(2)(a)1.
[Isn't HLA claiming to do this? How else would they decide which "special therapy" groups to put kids in? Or what special education services a child needs?]
1. The institution shall obtain the child's school records from the last school attended in
order to complete the education needs component of the assessment.
[We know they do this. Some kids have IEPs.]
(b) A service plan shall be developed by the child's Human Services Professional in
concert with the child's primary Child Care Worker, meaning the worker who has
responsibility for supervision of the child in the living unit where the child resides. The
plan shall contain the following data:
1. The results of the assessment and identified needs;
2. Statements of time-limited goals and objectives for the child and family and methods
of achieving them and evaluating them;
3. Statements of activities to be followed by the child and staff members in pursuit of the
stated goals and objectives;
4. Statements of any special care and services that will be arranged for or provided
directly;
5. Statements of goals and preliminary plans for discharge;
6. Statements about the types of discipline that should be employed when necessary; and
[Isn't the list of 'disciplines' spelled out in the parent manual? Zaps, Restriction, RC.]
7. Statements about any restrictions of communications or visitations with any persons;
such statements shall clearly show that the health, safety, and welfare of the child would
be adversely affected by such communications or visits.
[Isn't communication with family restricted for everyone, without showing the necessity?]
(c) The child, and the parent(s) or guardian(s), or child placing agency representative shall be involved in the development of the service plan, and its periodic updates as described below.
(d) The service plan shall be updated by the Human Services Professional at a minimum of every six months and pertinent progress notes and data shall be incorporated in the plan to measure attainment of stated goals and objectives. The child's primary Child Care Worker shall participate in the updating.
Authority O.C.G.A. Secs. 49-5-8, 49-5-12. History. Original Rule entitled "Assessment and Planning" adopted. F. Jun. 30, 1994; eff. Aug. 1, 1994, as specified by the Agency.
Post by: Troll Control on March 02, 2006, 05:08:00 PM
The staff is in upheaval and many think HLA will close its doors soon citing a 40% student retention rate, violent sexual assaults by patients on other patients, unethical activities by management, violent physical assaults by patients on one another and other pertinent reasons.
I received the following from a currently employed HLA staff member:
" Clark Poole has just resigned from HLA. He was in the admissions dept for over 6 years and finally had all he could take. Here is his notice of resignation along with a series of emails that led to it. He sent this out to consultants after he resigned, and deleted the names of the students for privacy reasons, but everybody here knows who they are, and there are many more just like them. Buccellato will take in anybody who has the money. He is scum. Post it if you want to. Everybody here hates the damn place except those ass-kissers close to Buccellato. The favorite slogan among staff is Burn Baby Burn."
This is a BIG development, as Mr. Poole has gone public with his information, sending it to EdCons who do business with HLA.
This made my eyes pop out when I read it. Finally, hard, public evidence from an irreproachable source.
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on March 02, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
:nworthy:
Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
Post by: Troll Control on March 02, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DJ- you better hope you have good support for all this because the things you are saying can have a direct impact on HLA's financial viability which is VERY legally actionable (against you)."
Not true. It's actionable against the person who sent it to me. Everything is accurately documented and I have sent the originals to two other people so that there are others aware of the origins of the documents. I also have no intention to damage HLA or its revenue. I simply want to show the FACTS for what they are and put an end to the propaganda coming from HLA.
I have the ORIGINAL, INTERNAL HLA emails to support my position. In addition, the emails I have were already sent to several EdCons and made public by Mr. Poole. I'm just passing it on to Fornits.
I'd be willing to bet almost anything, though, that Mr. Poole is sued immediately. However, if he just tells the truth in court, we'll have a precious public record to submit to the news media and to firms that do business with HLA (and I'll do it in a heartbeat).
Threatening me, by the way, is futile. I'm not frightened, nor am I easily dissuaded. This information WILL be made public for all to see.
Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DJ- you better hope you have good support for all this because the things you are saying can have a direct impact on HLA's financial viability which is VERY legally actionable (against you)."
Awwww. Whassa matter SHH? Hmmm?
::cheers:: ::cheers::
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
:silly:
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On 2006-03-02 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are publishing the information by posting it here, so they will come after you, too. Truth is a defense, so you better hope it is all true. "
Again, you are not an attorney and do not (obviously) know how this type of case works.
I have already stated that I received it from another party. This party represented it to me as true and provided internal emails to bolster the claim. I am sharing it as it was sent to me, unaltered. I am allowed by law to share ANYTHING that was sent to me, so long as it is accurately represented and unaltered in its original condition. It is.
I have shared it with two other parties and am arranging its delivery in hard and soft copy to an attorney representing families who are taking legal action against HLA. I did not write it, nor do I attest to it's origins, except how it was represented to me. I have no liabilty for these documents whatsoever. I am simply reporting what was reported to me, accurately and fully.
If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with a free press and, by extension, the American way.
If you want to take legal action, I suggest you start with the person who released the documents, Mr. Poole, although they carry NO CONFIDENTIALITY warnings and as such are not protected by law (I've already consulted a 1st amendment attorney who is more than willing to sue the shit out of anyone who tries to infringe upon my constitutional right to tell the story).
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
:silly:
Post by: TheWho on March 02, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
::bigmouth::
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Post by: Troll Control on March 02, 2006, 08:25:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You should check just to CYA. If you call someone a criminal he can sue you if it has not been proven in a court of law (at that point in time). Your defense cant be that someone else told you it was true, or someone emailed you, if it is not true you are spreading slander."
1. I did not author the material.
2. It was sent to me unsolicited by a "whistle-blower."
3. I have not altered its contents nor misrepresented them.
4. The author already released them to multiple individuals who have, in turn, released them to yet others.
5. I have no intent to harm anyone's revenue or reputation.
6. What I have recieved has been and will be represented as received from an anonymous source (however, the headers of the emails show their origin and destination to be HLA's internal network - a fact easily supported and demonstrable.
7. I am not alleging any criminal behavior by anyone. I am simply quoting what was already made public by the document owner.
I have not done and will not do anything illegal or tortious, period. I am well-prepared to defend myself vigorously should the need arise.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 02, 2006, 09:36:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DJ- you better hope you have good support for all this because the things you are saying can have a direct impact on HLA's financial viability which is VERY legally actionable (against you)."
Oh Bullfrog is this the best you can do?
The proof is staring you right in the face, the milk has been spilled and all you can muster up is "a direct impact on HLA's financial viability"?
That may just be a moot point Bullfrog.
Post by: SHH on March 02, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:15:00, SHH wrote:
"I havent been hiding out at all..I have been looking at the boards every day...I chose to post when I was falsely accused of something. Nothing mysterious about that. Check your IP's ....those werent my posts. "
Well at least we know now that you are capable of learning when trained properly. Don't make us whack you with a rolled up newspaper again. ::bwahaha2::
Post by: RobertBruce on March 02, 2006, 10:27:00 PM
She's probably on the phone with her ex now.
"Damn it Bill I am the chief envelope stuffer, and Len's right hand man. I need to be kept up to date on all things. I am the most important person at HLA...ever."
Bullfrog why do you even debate these points, anyone who can read can see that I shut you down. You couldnt handle it so you hide.
Now why dont you address the current issue. What do you think of this Mr. Pooles comments?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
::bwahaha2::
Post by: Troll Control on March 02, 2006, 10:43:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wouldn't you love to be a fly on the wall inside the HLA offices right now?
::bwahaha2:: "
I'm afraid we've missed that party. The last email in the exchange is dated 2-26-06 and the EdCons were notified shortly thereafter. I'm sure there were a lot of calls from referrers and parents and a lot of difficult questions to answer.
Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 10:46:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:46:00, juniper2 wrote:
"When did Clarke Poole officially resign?"
I can't say the exact date. I wasn't provided the resignation letter.
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:49:00 PM
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Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:57:00 PM
(http://http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:N5gbgBywFIEnKM:www.fotosearch.com/comp)
That finally learned ya huh? Damn woman! How many times did how many different people have to drum that into your head?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:56:00, juniper2 wrote:
"I wonder how quickly they are going to wake up the judge tonight????Anyone want to bet on which one shall get 'it' tomorrow..."
Excellent question. Who wants to lay odds and what horses are in the race?
Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 11:02:00 PM
info on the 'horses'??? Ah, come on.....
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 11:06:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:54:00, SHH wrote:
"OH for gods sake Robert you really do have a major ego problem. I chose not to post because I didnt feel like getting into another pissing match with you. Nobody "won", you didnt "shut me down". I chose not to continue to banter back and forth with you. I am not hiding, I am not cowering in fear, I am not afraid of you whatsoever in the least tiny bit. I didnt want to continue to argue with you because it means nothing and doesnt resolve or help anything. Its a huge waste of time. If you feel you have to "win" over me then fine. You win. Whatever. If it blows your skirt up go with it. I really dont care. But it does seem a little egotistical in my opinion. "
Hmmm.....
You stopped because you had no reply.
Yes I did.
Yes you are.
Yes you are.
Yes you most definitly are.
You can resolve things by answering the questions put to you.
I dont have to win, its just really really easy with you.
I dont wear skirts, despite whatever sick fantasies you have.
And yes you do care.
There see how easy and efficent that was?
Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 11:06:00 PM
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On 2006-03-02 19:56:00, SHH wrote:
"I dont know what transpired to cause his resignation so I dont know what opinion I have on the issue yet. I dont see any specific statement from him directly, so maybe Steve will post that later. What he posted was from another employee's viewpoint, not Mr. Poole's own words. That I would like to see before I form my opinions on the matter."
Fine what is your view on the other employees comments?
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2006, 11:07:00 PM
It would seem that poor Mr. Poole would be the next logical choice. From there I have no idea.
Post by: juniper2 on March 02, 2006, 11:10:00 PM
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Post by: Deborah on March 03, 2006, 12:21:00 AM
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On 2006-03-02 19:54:00, SHH wrote:
"OH for gods sake Robert you really do have a major ego problem. I chose not to post because I didnt feel like getting into another pissing match with you. Nobody "won", you didnt "shut me down". I chose not to continue to banter back and forth with you.
You did? When?
Post by: Deborah on March 03, 2006, 12:46:00 AM
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On 2006-03-02 20:06:00, juniper2 wrote:
"My everyone is up late tonight...DJ should go fishing more often...."
Apparently had a good catch. Ya know what they say about the quiet before the storm.
Post by: Antigen on March 03, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
http://DCHfans.org/ (http://DCHfans.org/)
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
Post by: juniper2 on March 03, 2006, 09:39:00 PM
Degree from??? No one can find it...
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 04:05:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 04, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
gone...I noticed that HLA gave everyones credentials, but Lenny B....curious...
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
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On 2006-03-04 13:23:00, juniper2 wrote:
"I went on late last night and his profile was
gone...I noticed that HLA gave everyones credentials, but Lenny B....curious..."
Now THAT's interesting. Anyone know when they deleted his "credendtials" from the official HLA website???
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
SHH, you just can't resist can you? :lol: :lol:
Post by: SHH on March 04, 2006, 05:35:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 05:40:00 PM
:wave:
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On 2006-03-04 14:30:00, SHH wrote:Nope, I'm the parent of a former student. I kept (and still keep) a close eye on the website. They used to list all of his credentials and degrees.
" And as far as Dr. B, he has never listed his schools or degrees on the site, just that he was the founder of the school. "
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
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On 2006-03-04 14:37:00, SHH wrote:Not hilarious at all. Why is it so difficult for us to find out where he got his degree from. Google anyone else and it's all there.
"Its hilarious that I know that Dr B has a legitimate phd degree?"
Post by: juniper2 on March 04, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
two, which is weird..One has expired, the other
is up shortly..
Post by: SHH on March 04, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
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Post by: SHH on March 04, 2006, 07:05:00 PM
This is the only license showing on the secretary of state website. And they are the licensing agency so I dont know what other license he would have unless the other one is not an official "professional license" from the state of georgia.
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
Thank you!
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On 2006-03-04 16:05:00, SHH wrote:
"https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=328&
This is the only license showing on the secretary of state website. And they are the licensing agency so I dont know what other license he would have unless the other one is not an official "professional license" from the state of georgia."
Post by: SHH on March 04, 2006, 07:23:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 04, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 04, 2006, 08:45:00 PM
Thank you.
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On 2006-03-04 16:23:00, SHH wrote:
"Thats odd its working for me. All you have to put in there is leonard buccellato. You dont have to put initials or anything. It shows the license is active and expires next on dec 31, 06."
Post by: RobertBruce on March 05, 2006, 11:31:00 AM
You jump on any topic despite the fact that you dont know what youre talking about and hammer it home for days at a time. Despite the fact that there are numerous other points and questions which by your cowardice you are forced to ignore.
Post by: SHH on March 05, 2006, 11:35:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
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On 2006-03-05 08:35:00, SHH wrote:Great. Can you just give us the name of the university and the year he earned his Ph.D.
"I happen to know that Dr. B has a legitimate phd and he got it at a georgia university and has a current license. All of that is fact."
Post by: SHH on March 05, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on March 05, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
Oh wait that would mean you could never speak.
Perhaps this isnt such a bad thing.
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
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Post by: Deborah on March 05, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
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On 2006-03-05 11:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am surprised this has not been mentioned as of yet, but Bill Gray has also resigned from Hidden Lake Academy. He is the first employee of HLA and Len Buccellato's right hand man."
SHH?
Post by: Anonymous on March 05, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
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On 2006-03-05 11:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am surprised this has not been mentioned as of yet, but Bill Gray has also resigned from Hidden Lake Academy. He is the first employee of HLA and Len Buccellato's right hand man."
Are you serious?????
Post by: juniper2 on March 05, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
SHH, maybe you can confirm this statement for us?
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 08:47:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
The more I hear, the more this looks like rats scrambling to abandon a sinking ship.
It's very interesting to see the upper management beginning to flee. I wonder if there are some criminal or civil charges coming down that some of these folks are trying to avoid...?
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
that have crossed his desk within the last few weeks. I heard that Matt Kleins parents(PG74)
sued for 4 million and it was settled, but cannot confirm..he was only there about a month and, apparently they withheld all tuition...with about a 40% retention rate, they are pocketing
a lot of tuition.
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 09:39:00 AM
Due to the confluence of the lawsuits, the financial problems, MBA's rejected funding, exodus of staff (even the highest mgmt), etc. it looks like HLA might be in serious trouble.
I keep a guarded optimism about such thoughts, but it really looks like they're getting hammered from every conceivable angle at this point. I'm not sure if they'll be able to stay afloat with all of this scrutiny.
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: Deborah on March 06, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 10:12:00 AM
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On 2006-03-06 06:55:00, juniper2 wrote:
"If they are in financial chaos, where is the cash money coming from to purchase all this property?"
Which properties? I'm not aware of this.
Post by: Deborah on March 06, 2006, 10:19:00 AM
THe project [MBA] isn't dead. The land has already been purchased.
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#174522 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13707&forum=41&start=10#174522)
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 10:27:00 AM
Juni said "all this property," so I'm curious if there are others.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know there's got to be something to this Bill Gray being either out or on his way. SHH would've jumped on that immediately if there was nothing to it."
There is something to it. One of my sources has confirmed it. Look for this to happen next week.
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 12:44:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
"I always said HLA was a rotten place, but no one would listen to me."
She'll say anything to make it sound like she knows what she's talking about.
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 01:32:00 PM
Again, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall over there. Must be pretty interesting right about now. :grin:
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Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:Well they must be reading over there because all of a sudden Dr. B's crededentials magically reappeared on the HLA website.
" In fact, there's an awful lot of people reading. I keep seeing a shitload of people in the HLA forum when I look in Who's Online. :wave: :wave:
Again, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall over there. Must be pretty interesting right about now. :grin: "
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 02:42:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteWell they must be reading over there because all of a sudden Dr. B's crededentials magically reappeared on the HLA website."
On 2006-03-06 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In fact, there's an awful lot of people reading. I keep seeing a shitload of people in the HLA forum when I look in Who's Online. :wave: :wave:
Again, I sure would like to be a fly on the wall over there. Must be pretty interesting right about now. :grin: "
Awww. And they say we have no influence. :lol: :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 02:46:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 02:54:00 PM
what he is thinking, but he is starting to look
like a jackass...pardon the expression...
Starting? He lets go of two of his 'best'
because of an integrity issue they had...Bill Gray with all those pending lawsuits going by his desk.....actually started to question what
the Hell they were all doing? Perhaps, perhaps, not.
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 02:57:00 PM
B.S. Psychology - Fordham University, M.A. Educational Psychology - University of Georgia, Ph.D. Counseling and Psychological Services - Georgia State University. Licensed Psychologist in Georgia since 1975
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
deals, NFP's/FP's,who the approx.1.3 million in consulting fees went to?? Why your employees have no medical coverage, when you show 10million
(HLA) and can afford those kind of consulting fees?[ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-03-06 12:06 ]
Post by: Troll Control on March 06, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 11:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I must admit I'm getting a great deal of satisfaction watching the ones that are oh so used to being in control of every single aspect of people's lives, completely lose control over what is happening now. :grin:
"
Good for you. I'm glad you're feeling good. Isn't it nice?
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
Well they must be reading over there because all of a sudden Dr. B's crededentials magically reappeared on the HLA website."
Since they're reading this and all....Hey, would you guys please get rid of the large penis hanging down from your lion please? It's a little disturbing!! :lol:
Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
options became necessity..."
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 04:09:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
My my. How clinical sounding as opposed to 'our clients and staff are jumping shit like crazy and we can't afford to even keep printing these pointless little newsletters anymore'. :lol:
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Post by: juniper2 on March 06, 2006, 07:09:00 PM
resigned because he is holding onto what
integrity he has left, you disappear.
Post by: Anonymous on March 06, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
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On 2006-03-06 12:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-06 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
Well they must be reading over there because all of a sudden Dr. B's crededentials magically reappeared on the HLA website."
Since they're reading this and all....Hey, would you guys please get rid of the large penis hanging down from your lion please? It's a little disturbing!! :flame: :rofl: :rofl:
http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/ (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/)
Post by: RobertBruce on March 06, 2006, 10:13:00 PM
The next thing to work on is to plan a victory party on the abandonded grounds.
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2006, 07:31:00 AM
(http://http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/CGI-BIN/lion-about-us2.jpg)
Post by: Troll Control on March 07, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
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On 2006-03-06 16:09:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Just when you have the chance to partially redeem yourself, and tell us all that Bill
resigned because he is holding onto what
integrity he has left, you disappear."
If she did say that, it would just be a prevarication.
He's not leaving to protect any integrity, dignity or moral highground. He's leaving because the heat is on and he;s getting the hell out of the kitchen.
I'm quite certain he's up on the details of their financial nightmare and he simply doesn't see a steady paycheck in the future. That's enough to spur anybody to look for work, especially those that pay child support and/or alimony.
SHH's little HLA fantasy world that she has constructed for herself is crumbling.
The revelations from the departing staff prove without doubt that what I've been saying all along about how (poorly) HLA treats patients (and WHY - the money) that SHH has, and has had, no idea how HLA operates either clinically or as a business.
Post by: Troll Control on March 07, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
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On 2006-03-05 11:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am surprised this has not been mentioned as of yet, but Bill Gray has also resigned from Hidden Lake Academy. He is the first employee of HLA and Len Buccellato's right hand man."
This was posted March 5th at 11:14am and SHH has been gone since EXACTLY THE MINUTE this was posted. Hmmm...
Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
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On 2006-03-07 14:45:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-03-05 11:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am surprised this has not been mentioned as of yet, but Bill Gray has also resigned from Hidden Lake Academy. He is the first employee of HLA and Len Buccellato's right hand man."
This was posted March 5th at 11:14am and SHH has been gone since EXACTLY THE MINUTE this was posted. Hmmm...
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Hmmm indeed. SHH......where are ya? How come you've gone AWOL all of a sudden? :???:
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 08, 2006, 07:59:00 AM
At this point I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if this were legal wranglings and not coincidence (I'm SURE it's not coincidence).
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 08:01:00 AM
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On 2006-03-08 04:59:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Yanno, I'm beginning to wonder if there hasn't been some kind of legal entanglement either requiring SHH to shh or maybe she's been muzzled at Bill's request for being so unhelpful...?
I was just sitting here thinking the same thing. You just know she's reading. It must be killing her not to be able to respond. ::bwahaha2::
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 08:03:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 08:23:00 AM
Wouldnt it be funny if she got sued for representing herself as an agent of the school?
Post by: Troll Control on March 08, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
Word is that he has had a severe falling out with the boss over the business dealings and that he's being left to hold the bag on some "accounting irregularities."
Ya know, I don't like Bill, but he was a LOYAL employee there for eleven years and he's being thrown out like trash. Now he has some idea of how others were treated there. It looks like the boss is trimming any and all "unnecessary" staff and purging out ones who are disloyal or hold damaging information.
We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
Post by: juniper2 on March 08, 2006, 10:47:00 AM
Did they shh her, too?
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
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On 2006-03-08 07:47:00, juniper2 wrote:
"That is weird, I thought about that last night...
Did they shh her, too?"
It appears that way.
SHH..........care to weigh in on this? That must suck having your ex husband controlling what you can and can't say. I'd be pissed!!
Post by: juniper2 on March 08, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
by 'Jerk and Jerk' with a court order...
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
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On 2006-03-08 16:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Bill Gray has definitely resigned. Good work, DJ. He'll be out within the next week or so. This was independently confirmed to me today by an extremely reliable source."
Dammit!!!!! We finally need you and you're nowhere to be found SHH!!
Where are you???? :???:
What the hell is going on? You're so eager to share everything else with us, why stop now?
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
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On 2006-03-08 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get a life and move on people"
^^^^......sad puppy. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
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On 2006-03-08 18:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"get a life and move on people"
What kind of remark is that? Do you have a problem with people advocating for children? Are you OK with the way kids are treated at HLA?
Did you ever stop to think that SOMEBODY has to do SOMETHING to help?
All you lame ducks out there who suffer from diffusion of responsibility will never understand what it means to advocate for those who cannot stand up for themselves. I consider myself to have "gotten a life" when I picked up the yoke to do the yeoman's work that troubled parents have been unable to do for their own children.
Maybe you should "get a life."
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Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 08:35:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
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On 2006-03-09 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its just Shh hiding her head in shame. "
That's what I thought too.
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
People who attended the party described it as "more like a wake." After 11 and a half years of loyal service, all Len had to say to Bill was "Goodbye and good luck." Nice sendoff, huh?
In any case, one staff member said (paraphrased) "Bill has been an arrogant blowhard for many years, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for the poor bastard." That about sums it up.
I guess it just desserts though for a guy who played hatchet-man for the little general (now being referred to as "Napoleon" by his staff) for all those years.
Incidentally, I refer to "Napoleon" as "Little Stalin" due to the paranoid purging and "execution" by litigation.
Post by: odie on March 09, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 10:47:00 AM
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On 2006-03-09 07:37:00, odie wrote:
"Imagine all the dirty little secrets he knows about. Wonder what kind of deal they gave him to go away quietly? I know he's reading this and wondering why should I be the fall guy in this mess? I mean if he was right hand man to the big cheese he surely knows how to bury this place. Oh yeah I think he was SHH too. :razz:We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
--Plato
Actually, they attempted to PREVENT him from leaving. He was allegedly threatened that if he left he'd be "ruined in the community" and unable to "get a job around here."
Based on previous experiences with the HLA legal machine, he knows already full well what will happen if he talks.
That being said, if he does choose to speak out, there are legal protections for whistle-blowers. And, so long as one tells the truth, there is no worry about lawsuits.
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 10:58:00 AM
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On 2006-03-09 07:37:00, odie wrote:
"Imagine all the dirty little secrets he knows about. Wonder what kind of deal they gave him to go away quietly? I know he's reading this and wondering why should I be the fall guy in this mess? I mean if he was right hand man to the big cheese he surely knows how to bury this place. Oh yeah I think he was SHH too. :razz:We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
--Plato
It's been alleged more than once that Bill Gray has used shaky accounting practices for his own personal gain. That may be reason enough for him to go away quietly.
Post by: juniper2 on March 09, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
Post by: LMJ630 on March 09, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 07:47:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 07:37:00, odie wrote:
"Imagine all the dirty little secrets he knows about. Wonder what kind of deal they gave him to go away quietly? I know he's reading this and wondering why should I be the fall guy in this mess? I mean if he was right hand man to the big cheese he surely knows how to bury this place. Oh yeah I think he was SHH too. :razz:We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."
--Plato
Actually, they attempted to PREVENT him from leaving. He was allegedly threatened that if he left he'd be "ruined in the community" and unable to "get a job around here."
Based on previous experiences with the HLA legal machine, he knows already full well what will happen if he talks.
That being said, if he does choose to speak out, there are legal protections for whistle-blowers. And, so long as one tells the truth, there is no worry about lawsuits.
"
To the best of my knowledge, the law only provides protection to whistleblowers if the company in question is a public company. I believe private companies have the right to hire and fire at will.
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 12:59:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 09, 2006, 02:00:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 05:35:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Its just Shh hiding her head in shame. "
She didn't post. She's here reading, though. I wrote her a PM this afternoon just to see what's up with her and how she feels about the recent developments at HLA. She read it, but did not respond...
Post by: juniper2 on March 09, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
you really do not know much although you guess a lot.
keep trying
SHH
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
:silly:
Post by: Troll Control on March 09, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The word I got from a staff member is that the info here is greatly exaggerated. While there have been some departures of staff, the school is far from shutting down and it is pretty much business as usual. Most of the hysteria is being created on this forum and not at HLA. Parents are fine, kids are fine, most staff is in place and working away."
You are totally wrong and are either not well-connected or lying. One of the two.
Nice try though.
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 08:54:00 PM
SHH
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 08:55:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 09:17:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 09, 2006, 09:32:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 09, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 10:12:00 PM
Who is posting this, really?
Is this somebody's way of outing DJ, cuz it sort of seems to be inching toward that position.
:cry2:
Post by: Deborah on March 09, 2006, 10:50:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The word I got from a staff member is that the info here is greatly exaggerated. While there have been some departures of staff, the school is far from shutting down and it is pretty much business as usual. Most of the hysteria is being created on this forum and not at HLA. Parents are fine, kids are fine, most staff is in place and working away."
O5,
What would you possibly know about HLA? Is it your new mission to just bounce around all the forums pretending to be an expert on all programs?
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-04-08 09:19 ]
Post by: Deborah on March 09, 2006, 10:55:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"this group can be entertaining.
you really do not know much although you guess a lot.
keep trying
SHH"
SHH,
When did you relocate to N Georgia? Is that why we haven't heard from you lately? :roll:
Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2006, 11:42:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Deborah on March 10, 2006, 12:41:00 AM
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On 2006-03-09 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So who's Karen?"
You know your good buddy from ST. The attorney. Ring a bell?
What do either of you know about HLA? Nothing that I'm aware of.
I assume ya'll are spamming this forum because you both have a bone to pick with DJ.
Do the 'responsible' thing and take your beef to PMs with him. Spare the rest of us the ongoing misinformation and blather, posted for the sake of arguing with DJ.
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2006-03-09 22:01 ]
Post by: Troll Control on March 10, 2006, 09:07:00 AM
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On 2006-03-09 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"this group can be entertaining.
you really do not know much although you guess a lot.
keep trying
SHH"
I've already spoken to SHH and I know this is not her.
This is pretty low-brow.
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Post by: Troll Control on March 10, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
It looks like Jeannie King is the latest casualty of the "loyalty purges." Perhaps there is some suspicion that she "leaked" the emails...?
So, yeah, anon, it seems like things are going great there, right on track. :roll:
Post by: RobertBruce on March 10, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
I mean its not like we didnt know they were using her this whole time, but this is a little more blatent.
Post by: Troll Control on March 10, 2006, 11:19:00 AM
"People don't mind being used, they mind being discarded."
Clearly someone there has a vested interest in pinning problems on SHH. I already know for a fact it wasn't her posting, and the poster who's impersonating her is an Alltel subscriber in the Dahlonega area. Pretty sad...
Post by: Antigen on March 10, 2006, 12:24:00 PM
Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.
Mahatma Gandhi, My Autobigraphy, p. 446
Post by: RobertBruce on March 10, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
Maybe now shell recognize the truth, but I doubt it.
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
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On 2006-03-09 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
It's been alleged more than once that Bill Gray has used shaky accounting practices for his own personal gain. That may be reason enough for him to go away quietly."
B.S. Justice Administration - University of Louisville. Bill was the ?first? employee hired at HLA in 1994. He has been working in the same capacity since the beginning of the school, but his duties have grown and expanded extensively with the school. He is active in the local community, serving as a past member of the Board of Directors for the Chamber of Commerce, Member of Rotary, serving on the Board of Directors for 2 years and also as the Treasurer. He is a current Trustee for Chestatee Regional Library. He loves to travel and play golf. Bill is married with four children; his family is the focal point in Bill's life.
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Bill Gray
Post by: juniper2 on March 10, 2006, 07:56:00 PM
you...So, who are we blessed with?
Post by: Troll Control on March 11, 2006, 02:25:00 PM
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On 2006-03-10 07:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"I've heard that the Network Administrator has "resigned," as in "quit or be fired," the standard MO for this place when they're looking to get rid of someone.
It looks like Jeannie King is the latest casualty of the "loyalty purges." Perhaps there is some suspicion that she "leaked" the emails...?
So, yeah, anon, it seems like things are going great there, right on track. :wave:
Post by: RobertBruce on March 11, 2006, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 11, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
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On 2006-03-11 13:07:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"The kool aid should be divied out soon. "
Buccellatotown style? :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on March 11, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2006, 12:17:00 PM
(http://http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/cgi-bin/headShot/Bill-Gray,-Jr.-final.jpg)
Post by: RobertBruce on March 13, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
March 13, 2006 1:25 PM
I live about 20 minutes away from Dahlonega, so I see staff pretty often. A lot of the staff is on Myspace, but HLA monitors their profiles to make sure that they are not communicating with us in any way. If they see us on a staff's friends list, that staff is automatically fired! Also, HLA has fired 24 staff members in the last 3 months for communicating with us on Myspace, and for going against the school's policy. Why does HLA feel the need to control everything regarding that school?
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2006, 09:40:00 AM
Is Bill Gray really gone? His profile is still up on HLA's website but we all know that could be kept up there for appearances.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 15, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
Dont you know the prisoners.....er.....inmates....students! Yeah thats it.
Anyway the students arent supposed to know anything of the outside world.....it might disrupt their....therapy.....sure thats it.
Post by: Troll Control on March 15, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
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Is Bill Gray really gone? His profile is still up on HLA's website but we all know that could be kept up there for appearances.
I can tell you for a fact he's no longer there. I've confirmed this directly.
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
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On 2006-03-15 06:55:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
I've confirmed this directly.
"
Interesting.
Post by: juniper2 on March 15, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
moving out by the end of next week, which as busy as I have been, is the end of the month..
Stand corrected..Thanks.[ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-03-15 09:14 ]
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2006, 09:51:00 AM
pg 71. man they have a new p.g. like every 2 weeks now cuz everyone is getting pulled. my pg. was down to 2 ppl. before we got out of fire.
Post by: Troll Control on March 17, 2006, 10:13:00 AM
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On 2006-03-17 06:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"From MySpace
pg 71. man they have a new p.g. like every 2 weeks now cuz everyone is getting pulled. my pg. was down to 2 ppl. before we got out of fire."
Now what were the HLA staff saying about retention rates?
Post by: Antigen on March 17, 2006, 12:40:00 PM
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On 2006-03-15 06:51:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Fool!
Dont you know the prisoners.....er.....inmates....students! Yeah thats it.
Anyway the students arent supposed to know anything of the outside world.....it might disrupt their....therapy.....sure thats it. "
RB, how far does this go?
What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on March 17, 2006, 01:20:00 PM
Chris Allen, Clarke Poole, Bill Gray,numerous counselors, assistant counselors and the beat goes on....40% retention rate, unethical admission standards, unethical keeping of all funds for tuition, unlicensed 'THerapeutic Boarding School, monies shifted all over the place, non-existent CHapel funds,Equine Center(
non-existent), families taking medical expenses off their taxes for a so called "THerapeutic Boarding School" (which is a regular "boarding School), medications dispensed, HLA is not licensed for such...Attempted suicides covered up, attempted murder, rape, adjudicated children(regardless of HLA's sematics, those children would not be there and on probation, if not for the court),
violent children..and the beat goes on...What kind of individual, like yourself, condones such
an operation? I find you personally disgusting.[ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-03-17 10:28 ]
Post by: Deborah on March 17, 2006, 01:21:00 PM
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On 2006-03-17 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It never ceases to amaze me that so many people can become so paranoid about a particular subject. I am an employee of Hidden Lake Academy with many years experience in the field of counseling. Many of the negative posts on this site seem to be form disgruntled former students who apparently have little more to do than obsess over their inability to conform in this program or many others. Despite efforts by many to dispel the horrific and scandalous rumors spewed forth on this site, most are unwilling to hear. Much like the JFK assassination theorists or the Roswell UFO conspiracy theorists, no amount of educated discussion seems to enlighten their closed and ignorant minds. Of course much of this could be due to the fact that they struggled severely during their educational process and lack to what Piaget termed formal operational thinking (Those of you dismissed from HLA might want to look this up; hint: it?s located in a book). You should try picking one up. As for the speculations and rumors, HLA is fine and will continue its work. For those of you interested in facts regarding the school, I hope you are circumspect enough to seek information from a far less biased source. "
Wednesday you're a parent considering HLA
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#181294 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14372&forum=41&start=120#181294)
Friday you're a counselor at HLA?
Is there a 'far less biased source'?
Did you find a program for your daughter?
Post by: Deborah on March 17, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
families taking medical expenses off their taxes for a "THerapeutic Boarding School"
That should read, "Families taking medical/travel expenses off their taxes for a 'Traditional' Boarding School.
Post by: juniper2 on March 17, 2006, 01:26:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 17, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on March 17, 2006, 04:43:00 PM
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On 2006-03-17 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It never ceases to amaze me that so many people can become so paranoid about a particular subject. I am an employee of Hidden Lake Academy with many years experience in the field of counseling. Many of the negative posts on this site seem to be form disgruntled former students who apparently have little more to do than obsess over their inability to conform in this program or many others.
Sadly this is true, we were much like those nasty western europeans who obsessed over their ability to conform during the mid 1940's.
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Despite efforts by many to dispel the horrific and scandalous rumors spewed forth on this site, most are unwilling to hear.
Really? Which rumors? Specifically list them off please, tell us where we are in error.
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Much like the JFK assassination theorists or the Roswell UFO conspiracy theorists, no amount of educated discussion seems to enlighten their closed and ignorant minds.
Would you like to cite the point in which HLA puppets attempted to engage in "educated discussion"? All you lap dogs ever do is come on here use ad homineum attacks, refuse to address the issues, attempt to either use scare tactics or bait one of us into saying something libelous, and then leave. At no point was "educated dicussion" ever attempted on your end. The few individuals who did try to honestly answer questions and tell the truth about HLA were of course fired.
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Of course much of this could be due to the fact that they struggled severely during their educational process and lack to what Piaget termed formal operational thinking (Those of you dismissed from HLA might want to look this up; hint: it?s located in a book). You should try picking one up.
So youre assuming that because we didnt succumb to the brainwashing we're stupid? See I always thought it was the other way around. Then again maybe you shouldnt question the level of intelligence of people youve never met and know nothing about. Some might even go so far as to state that making such an assumption could be considered.....stupid of you. But I guess I personally dont need to take issue with your comments. Afterall you werent really talking to me now were you? No you were talking to the people who were dismissed (how often does this happen?). I mean in my situation HLA acted illegally in keeping me there, tried to coerce me into staying (again using tried and true scare tactics "you'll be dead or in jail" blah blah blah) and after I left they tried desperatly to get me back. On top of the fact that Im about to graduate with honors and begin work on my masters, I would say Ive read one or two books in my life, along with most of the people here who didnt succumb to your little cult.
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As for the speculations and rumors, HLA is fine and will continue its work. For those of you interested in facts regarding the school, I hope you are circumspect enough to seek information from a far less biased source. "
Really? Please since you are completly non biased provide us with this information. Explain to us why HLA:
has been placed into lien several times?
is currently operating with out any licensed therapist?
has claimed to be a traditional boarding school to the state, yet advertises as a theraputic one?
is dealing with a mass exodus of personel and program cutbacks if things are so great?
uses students as cost cutting labor?
refuses to allow students to have unrestricted communication with their parents?
refuses to allow students to have the means in which to air greivances?
continues to accept students who may be a danger to other students?
has a 40% retention rate among the students?
refuses to acknowledge that it accepts court ordered kids?
The list goes on and on but you get the point. Im sure you as a non biased individual who gets a paycheck from HLA can answer these questions both objectivly and honestly.
In the mean time you may want to consider sticking to one story. The fact that log in anonymously does nothing to hide your IP address. If youre confused on this I suggest you pick up a copy of "Spreading propoganda on your computer for dummies".
Hint....its a book.
:wave:
Post by: RobertBruce on March 17, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
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On 2006-03-17 12:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And the paranoia goes on, and on, and on and on.................................."
And the propoganda goes on, and on, and on and on..................................
Post by: Troll Control on March 17, 2006, 05:31:00 PM
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On 2006-03-17 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It never ceases to amaze me that so many people can become so paranoid about a particular subject. I am an employee of Hidden Lake Academy with many years experience in the field of counseling. Many of the negative posts on this site seem to be form disgruntled former students who apparently have little more to do than obsess over their inability to conform in this program or many others. Despite efforts by many to dispel the horrific and scandalous rumors spewed forth on this site, most are unwilling to hear. Much like the JFK assassination theorists or the Roswell UFO conspiracy theorists, no amount of educated discussion seems to enlighten their closed and ignorant minds. Of course much of this could be due to the fact that they struggled severely during their educational process and lack to what Piaget termed formal operational thinking (Those of you dismissed from HLA might want to look this up; hint: it?s located in a book). You should try picking one up. As for the speculations and rumors, HLA is fine and will continue its work. For those of you interested in facts regarding the school, I hope you are circumspect enough to seek information from a far less biased source. "
Wow, pretty condescending for someone who is supposed to be a therapist. I would think that it is not in the character of a therapist to be mean and hateful towards people who may be poorly adjusted to life after failed treatment. These are pretty callous words and generally illustrate the type of thinking that HLA's staff use. They are very fond of belittling children in their care and have no compunction whatsoever treating children in a callous, unfeeling, unsympathetic way in the name of "treatment."
I can't help but think that when HLA management reads these type of statements they shudder. It can't be good for business to publicize that their "therapeutic team" consists of this type of arrogant and bitter people.
Futhermore, one can het a good sense of the self-importance these people assign themselves. Isn't comparing HLA to the JFK assassination or the "Roswell incident" just a tad bit of hyperbole? And exactly who did you say is in the business of exaggeration or distortion?
To enlighten you, nobody here is suffering from paranoia. It is sad to see that someone like yourself who should be capable of the critical thought you deny in others can't tell which way the wind blows without a weathervane.
Come back in a few weeks and you'll be singing a different tune.
You sound like you're wound just a little too tightly. Maybe a vacation would help. Then again, maybe you recently lost your vacation time...?
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-17 14:35 ]
Post by: juniper2 on March 17, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on March 17, 2006, 07:43:00 PM
On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
Post by: Troll Control on March 19, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
"The quiet before the storm"?
"The deep breath before the plunge"?
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/class ... p%20Wanted (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=Help%20Wanted)
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2006, 01:30:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 29, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
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On 2006-03-29 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We are currently interviewing for the following positions at Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega. P/T Math Teacher and nightwatch staff. Applications Mon.- Fri. 8-5. No phone call inquiries. For directions or to obtain an application call (706)864-4730 or fax resume to (706)864-9109. EOE.
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/class ... p%20Wanted (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=Help%20Wanted)"
I guess they're not looking to replace the full-time teachers that quit or got shit-canned. They seem not to want to replace the dozen or so counseling staff that met the same fate.
Call it what you want, but it is downsizing and a salary dump.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 10:50:00 AM
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On 2006-03-30 07:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Storm? There is no storm coming and you know it. You have nothing but you made up lies."
You keep telling yourself that.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 11:16:00 AM
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On 2006-03-30 07:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If I were you I would start burrowing in the holes you came out of and dug for yourselves..."
If you were me you'd be morally upright and you'd have an honest job.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
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This was to HLA...
On 2006-03-30 07:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If I were you I would start burrowing in the holes you came out of and dug for yourselves..."
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 11:27:00 AM
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On 2006-03-30 08:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteThis was to HLA..."
On 2006-03-30 07:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If I were you I would start burrowing in the holes you came out of and dug for yourselves..."
Oh, OK. Maybe you want to get a username to avoid confusion...? Just a thought.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 30, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 07:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Storm? There is no storm coming and you know it. You have nothing but you made up lies."
Riiiight. Keep telling yourself that puppet.
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 12:42:00 PM
RB :wstupid: D.J.
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
However, your intention to divert the issues to RB's statements is a nice red herring though.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-30 09:57 ]
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 01:11:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh, D.J. You are being extra witty today aren't you? You are always so quick to point the finger when someone makes a condesending remark about you or your boy R.B...but as soon as the finger is pointed at you, you become VERY defensive, don't you? I believe that when called a "puppet", most people would take offense. It doesn't exactly have a positive conotation. "
RB is not "my boy." I don't know RB, never met him and never even spoke to him, so I have no need to stick up for him.
And, no, I don't become very defensive and you haven't "pointed the finger" at me for anything.
Are you sure you're reading what is actually written, or are you listening to those voices in your head again?
Why don't you come back when you have something "on topic" to talk about. You're not exactly a fountain of information about HLA. If you aren't a "puppet" then say something meaningful. If you are here just to disparage the detractors of HLA and not to discuss the issues, then you are only a "puppet." "Lapdog" fits too, if you prefer.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-30 10:14 ]
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 01:19:00 PM
I am merely stating things that I have observed. Seems like you and R.B are batting for the same team. Go back and look at the threads about how you stick up for each other all of the time, that's all I was talking about. I don't know why you are so upset about that comment.
So you have NEVER talked to him...hmmmm, interesting.
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 01:35:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 10:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow...so defensive, why all the pent up anger?
I am merely stating things that I have observed. Seems like you and R.B are batting for the same team. Go back and look at the threads about how you stick up for each other all of the time, that's all I was talking about. I don't know why you are so upset about that comment.
So you have NEVER talked to him...hmmmm, interesting."
Why do you ascribe anger and defensiveness to my posts? I am neither angry nor defensive. You haven't said a single meaningful thing, much less anything for which I need to defend myself.
I think you fancy yourself powerful enough to affect my feelings. Rest be assured that you are not.
My belief is that you're here just to disrupt the discussion. That's fairly clear.
Do you not have other more pressing issues upon which to focus instead of posting from work while you're on the clock? Don't you have some patients to look after?
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-30 14:41 ]
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 01:40:00 PM
I merely wanted to make some observations and you simply took the hook and ran similar to SHHH.
I am eagerly awaiting the big "storm" and fall out that you have been proclaiming is going to happen for quite some time now.
You are right, I should get back to work. Good afternoon and I hope the "investigation" is going well.
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am glad you have calmed down.
I merely wanted to make some observations and you simply took the hook and ran similar to SHHH.
I am eagerly awaiting the big "storm" and fall out that you have been proclaiming is going to happen for quite some time now.
You are right, I should get back to work. Good afternoon and I hope the "investigation" is going well."
Hey, why don't you log in, "lookingintothings"? You are one sneaky little bitch aren't you? Do you get upset when your game is so weak that you can't get your desired results?
I think there's a kid trying to hang himself on your watch while you're here not working and not earning your pathetically tiny paycheck.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 30, 2006, 02:09:00 PM
And he gets to ride ponies at the equstrian program that doesnt exist. Free of charge.
Why dont you put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Listen puppet if you want to refute statements weve made about the storm that is in fact coming by all means be our guest, otherwise stop talking as so far youve had nothing meaningfull to add to the conversation.
Post by: lookingintothings on March 30, 2006, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 02:19:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 11:11:00, lookingintothings wrote:
"I am pretty sure that I got the reaction I wanted. Whose the puppet? :grin: "
:lol: :lol:
Another full of shit HLA employee.
Man, it's great that you guys post because any parent that reads what you write sees how nasty, petty and immature you guys are.
Who would put their kid in your care, LITs?
What kind of people work there?
You can't even spell "who's" much less help a kid. Pathetic. :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 11:11:00, lookingintothings wrote:
"I am pretty sure that I got the reaction I wanted. Whose the puppet? :grin: "
well, isn't that special.
but, you're 'pretty' sure, not sure?
baiting, one of hla's finest techniques.
i'd think it wouldn't hold much pleasure though, when it can't be followed up with some form of punishment.
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 02:22:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 11:11:00, lookingintothings wrote:
"I am pretty sure that I got the reaction I wanted. Whose the puppet? :grin: "
Funny how you use this same tactic against the children in your care. First you bait them, then you punish them. Very therapeutic indeed.
I wonder sometimes what makes people like you tick. You really have some serious mental problems. Maybe you should check yourself into your own program to learn how to be honest with yourself and others.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 30, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 11:11:00, lookingintothings wrote:
"I am pretty sure that I got the reaction I wanted. Whose the puppet? :grin: "
Still you.
You came onto this site because you were instructed to do so, once arrived you followed the plan and strategy laid out for you by your bosses and never deviated from the party line.
I am curious though was the reaction you were seeking me calling your bluff and telling you its time to shit or get off the pot?
Whose side are you on?
You let me know, till then the challenge still stands, either offer direct evidence to refute our specific claims or shut up.
Post by: juniper2 on March 30, 2006, 03:38:00 PM
THE 'CHIEF' PUPPETEER?
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 05:12:00 PM
What type of consequences are used at HLA?
Is there a licensed therapist on staff?
What is the grievence procedure?
Do you accept court appointed kids?
Do you ever use food deprivation or sleep deprivation?
What are the maximum hours of physical labor for residents?
HOw long is your education day?
How would you handle a physical altercation between two residents?
Is there any down time for residents?
What evidence is there that your program is beneficial, exclusive of parent testimonials? And if you could cite some journal studies other than an industry source that would be absolutely wonderful! Please forgive me for being a little pushy about this evidence thing, its just that its a childs life and it is a lot of money to be paying if there is no track record of favorable results. Thank you so much for your kind and prompt reply.
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
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On 2006-03-17 10:21:00, Deborah wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-03-17 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It never ceases to amaze me that so many people can become so paranoid about a particular subject. I am an employee of Hidden Lake Academy with many years experience in the field of counseling. Many of the negative posts on this site seem to be form disgruntled former students who apparently have little more to do than obsess over their inability to conform in this program or many others. Despite efforts by many to dispel the horrific and scandalous rumors spewed forth on this site, most are unwilling to hear. Much like the JFK assassination theorists or the Roswell UFO conspiracy theorists, no amount of educated discussion seems to enlighten their closed and ignorant minds. Of course much of this could be due to the fact that they struggled severely during their educational process and lack to what Piaget termed formal operational thinking (Those of you dismissed from HLA might want to look this up; hint: it?s located in a book). You should try picking one up. As for the speculations and rumors, HLA is fine and will continue its work. For those of you interested in facts regarding the school, I hope you are circumspect enough to seek information from a far less biased source. "
Wednesday you're a parent considering HLA
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#181294 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=14372&forum=41&start=120#181294)
Friday you're a counselor at HLA?
Is there a 'far less biased source'?
Did you find a program for your daughter?"
This is classic. These people love to lie. It's what they're comfortable doing.
What kind of "counselor" poses as a parent to try to gain the identities of others? What kind of values do these people have?
Post by: Troll Control on March 30, 2006, 08:12:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 14:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is resident communication with the parent monitored?
What type of consequences are used at HLA?
Is there a licensed therapist on staff?
What is the grievence procedure?
Do you accept court appointed kids?
Do you ever use food deprivation or sleep deprivation?
What are the maximum hours of physical labor for residents?
HOw long is your education day?
How would you handle a physical altercation between two residents?
Is there any down time for residents?
What evidence is there that your program is beneficial, exclusive of parent testimonials? And if you could cite some journal studies other than an industry source that would be absolutely wonderful! Please forgive me for being a little pushy about this evidence thing, its just that its a childs life and it is a lot of money to be paying if there is no track record of favorable results. Thank you so much for your kind and prompt reply.
"
Please help us understand what you do there. Can you answer these questions, please. It's very important.
Post by: RobertBruce on March 30, 2006, 09:16:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on March 31, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"johnny lott is gone"
Another one bites the dust. The employees are walking out.
These people keep saying everything is perfect there, but look at all the problems. "Don't believe your own eyes. Believe me." Sure.
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2006, 02:41:00 PM
On 2006-03-30 11:11:00, lookingintothings wrote:
"I am pretty sure that I got the reaction I wanted. Whose the puppet? "
Is back private messaging.....Now who is this person trying to snake...?
Funny how you use this same tactic against the children in your care. First you bait them, then you punish them. Very therapeutic indeed.
I wonder sometimes what makes people like you tick. You really have some serious mental problems. Maybe you should check yourself into your own program to learn how to be honest with yourself and others.
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
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On 2006-03-30 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:confirmed bullshit.
"johnny lott is gone"
Post by: Deborah on March 31, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
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On 2006-03-31 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quoteconfirmed bullshit."
On 2006-03-30 21:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"johnny lott is gone"
What do you know about it Shortbus?
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 09:45:00 AM
what about the chapel :lol: :lol:
Post by: Troll Control on April 06, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
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On 2006-04-06 06:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"any idea?
what about the chapel :lol: :lol: "
What about the chapel money? Where did that $300K+ cash go? No money, no chapel. Hmmmmm....
Post by: NCounselor on April 06, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on April 06, 2006, 03:31:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 12:25:00, NCounselor wrote:
"Why put out a lie on the guy? You can't get unemployment and a severance package if you are fired. Plus he is working as a consultant. Everyone knows the school is struggling financially. They don't even have the money to decorate for the graduating students upcoming dance. The parents are coming out of pocket for it. Things have gone from bad to worse, If I'm offered a package to leave, I would take it too. HLA is a sinking ship! "
I'm not sure what you're talking about. We all know Bill was given the standard "Resign or be fired" deal. The idea that a top-level manager would be "laid-off" as a matter of regular business in nonsensical. Salary dumps start with low-paid folks like the counselors (I'm sure you've seen quite a bit of this).
I've spoken to Bill and I'm well aware of the circumstances under which he left HLA.
In any case, welcome. What brings you here? Are you a current employee? Past?
Post by: SHH on April 06, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 04:55:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 13:38:00, SHH wrote:
"And just where did you get the information he is working as a consultant, got unemployment or even a severance package? Do you even know whether he was laid off, fired or resigned? I would be careful of the so called "facts" you are stating counselor. The info given to you just might be all BS."
Well then why don't you enlighten us since you're the self-proclaimed expert on HLA/Bill etc.
God woman, you're either a complete idiot or just extremely obtuse.
Post by: SHH on April 06, 2006, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 14:06:00, SHH wrote:
"I dont claim to be an expert. I am his ex wife. I know the facts of this particular matter. But I will not post his personal situation on this board. That is for him only to do. I posted to you because you are assuming things that are not true and I wanted you to be aware of that."
I can't be aware of it until you post what YOU say is the truth so that I can see and read both sides. If you can't or won't then shut the fuck up.
Post by: Troll Control on April 06, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 14:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-04-06 14:06:00, SHH wrote:
"I dont claim to be an expert. I am his ex wife. I know the facts of this particular matter. But I will not post his personal situation on this board. That is for him only to do. I posted to you because you are assuming things that are not true and I wanted you to be aware of that."
I can't be aware of it until you post what YOU say is the truth so that I can see and read both sides. If you can't or won't then shut the fuck up."
In this case, SHH is correct. I have personally spoken to the man and heard directly from him why he left. I'm sure SHH has done the same.
I'm curious, if your opinion is different, how did you come to that opinion? Did somebody tell you or did you hear it somewhere? It's certainly thought-provoking because it is so completely untrue and weird-sounding.
I'm not attacking you or your credibility. I'm sure you have good reason to believe what you say, but I assure you, it's not even remotely accurate.
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on April 06, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 14:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Bill Gray was not fired...He was actually asked to stay...He left on his own voalition....He was threatened with ruination when he left, to keep his mouth shut. PERIOD!"
Wow. The information coming out here today is dead on the money.
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 11:15:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2006, 07:38:00 AM
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On 2006-04-06 14:34:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
I'm curious, if your opinion is different, how did you come to that opinion? Did somebody tell you or did you hear it somewhere? It's certainly thought-provoking because it is so completely untrue and weird-sounding.
I'm not attacking you or your credibility. I'm sure you have good reason to believe what you say, but I assure you, it's not even remotely accurate.
"
I have no idea what actually happened. That's why I was asking. SHH keeps chiming in about how this or that isn't true but then refuses to back anything up.
She states all the times that she'll answer the questions that "she feels like answering". She's constantly claiming to be an expert on either HLA, Bill, Len or whatever other topic is at hand. She really makes a distinct ass out of herself and I rather enjoy calling her on it. That's all.....and no, I'm not RB.
Post by: Troll Control on April 07, 2006, 07:48:00 AM
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On 2006-04-06 20:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He is lawyered up and cannot talk..."
Also true.
Post by: RobertBruce on April 07, 2006, 11:27:00 AM
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On 2006-04-07 04:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I have no idea what actually happened. That's why I was asking. SHH keeps chiming in about how this or that isn't true but then refuses to back anything up.
She states all the times that she'll answer the questions that "she feels like answering". She's constantly claiming to be an expert on either HLA, Bill, Len or whatever other topic is at hand. She really makes a distinct ass out of herself and I rather enjoy calling her on it. That's all.....and no, I'm not RB."
Beautiful....welcome to the club, I'm thinking of making up some jackets. Bullfrog why do you even bother talking? Its beyond obvious to everyone your ex included you have nothing to say.
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
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On 2006-04-06 14:47:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-04-06 14:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Bill Gray was not fired...He was actually asked to stay...He left on his own voalition....He was threatened with ruination when he left, to keep his mouth shut. PERIOD!"
Wow. The information coming out here today is dead on the money.
"
Double Wow. So it almost sounds like Bill is one of the good guys. Could he have seen the light and decided to get out of that house of horrors?
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
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On 2006-04-07 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
Double Wow. So it almost sounds like Bill is one of the good guys. Could he have seen the light and decided to get out of that house of horrors? "
Wonder what that'll do to SHH/Suzanne's blind, unwaivering support of HLA?
Post by: Troll Control on April 07, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
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On 2006-04-07 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-04-06 14:47:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-04-06 14:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Bill Gray was not fired...He was actually asked to stay...He left on his own voalition....He was threatened with ruination when he left, to keep his mouth shut. PERIOD!"
Wow. The information coming out here today is dead on the money.
"
Double Wow. So it almost sounds like Bill is one of the good guys. Could he have seen the light and decided to get out of that house of horrors? "
I've talked to him about this. We both agree that "that place does funny things to people."
I think his concerns are more of the legal variety (many problems coming down the pipe), not the moral variety.
Post by: Deborah on April 07, 2006, 04:06:00 PM
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On 2006-04-07 12:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-04-07 12:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
Double Wow. So it almost sounds like Bill is one of the good guys. Could he have seen the light and decided to get out of that house of horrors? "
Wonder what that'll do to SHH/Suzanne's blind, unwaivering support of HLA?"
Sometimes, there's nothing TO do except eat crow.
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2006, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
I resigned from HLA, PERIOD. There nothing else except that. I made the decison with my family for personal reasons, including my health.
if you want to communicate with me , feel free to at billgray@alltel.net. I have nothing bad to say about an organization that have been nothing but good to me and my family.
Bill Gray
Former Employee of HLA. :exclaim:
Post by: RobertBruce on April 08, 2006, 12:00:00 AM
Give us a freaking break.
Bill Gray is scared out of his mind that he is going to recieve the same treatment from HLA he so willingly dished out to escaped students and ex staff.
Theres no way hed post on here now.
Post by: juniper2 on April 08, 2006, 10:15:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2006, 03:14:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
if not pushed...
Post by: juniper2 on April 08, 2006, 03:21:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on April 08, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2006, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on April 09, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
would rather place on the chopping block....We
all know who the 'enemy' is, but there is strategy in pursuance...and, we are dealing with
a very intuitive 'enemy'..
Post by: Troll Control on April 11, 2006, 10:37:00 AM
City the job is located in: Dahlonega
Job Title is: Counselor
Job listing expires on: indefinite
Organization's Name: Hidden Lake Academy
More information may be found at: http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com)
The contact person's name is: Director of Personnel
The contact phone number is: (800) 394-0640
Job Listing: Master's level counselors needed for therapeutic boarding school located approximately one hour north of Atlanta. Clinical Supervision provided. Year-round Monday-Friday F/T position. TO APPLY: FAX Cover letter and Resume to Director of Personnel, (706) 864-9109.
I guess that's one way to address the "indefinite" turnover. This place relies on a constant supply of new grads and greenhorns who stay less than a year on average. How this provides "therapeutic continuity" I can't imagine.
Post by: Troll Control on April 11, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
http://agentk-12.org/jobseekerx/ViewJob ... LHakJChY8Q (http://agentk-12.org/jobseekerx/ViewJob.asp?JobID=TicDjeAbvsVe%2FbzgjLHakJChY8Q)
Can't seem to keep those teachers on board either...
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2006, 10:53:00 AM
are going to be teaching the children that do not have degrees in 'needed' field.HLA states in their HANDBOOK and on the NET that 'All' teachers are certified by the State of Georgia..
Fraud...
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
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On 2006-04-11 07:45:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Time to replace those teachers that quit or were fired?
http://agentk-12.org/jobseekerx/ViewJob ... LHakJChY8Q (http://agentk-12.org/jobseekerx/ViewJob.asp?JobID=TicDjeAbvsVe%2FbzgjLHakJChY8Q)
Can't seem to keep those teachers on board either...
"
TEACHERS AND COUNSELORS needed at Hidden Lake Academy, a coed adolescent "therapeutic boarding school"
why not "PRIVATE" boarding school or "TRADITIONAL" boarding school?
Post by: Troll Control on April 11, 2006, 11:21:00 AM
PROGRAM DIRECTOR
RIDGE CREEK, an outdoor therapeutic 26 day program for 13-17 year old oppositional adolescents in North Georgia, approximately one hour north of Atlanta, is now accepting applications for Program Director. Year-round, Full-Time position. Applicant should have bachelor degree or above and have experience supervising at least 20 staff in an outdoor setting. Live-in not required for this position. Salary commensurate with candidate?s qualifications and experience. Full Benefits package.
FAX/mail/e-mail cover letter and resume/cv: Human Resources Director, Ridge Creek, 830 Hidden Lake Rd., Dahlonega, GA 30533, FAX (706) 864-9109.
e-mail:hrdir@hiddenlakeacademy.com
http://www.ridgecreek.org (http://www.ridgecreek.org)"
What happened to the director?
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Deborah on April 11, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
Director of Counseling
Nicolé R. Fuglsang, MA, NCC, LPC
Director of Admissions/ Public Relations
I assume the "Director" is
Mark Keith
Director of Operations
Mark Keith has over twenty years experience as a leader, administrator, outdoorsman, instructor, and logistical support provider. He has achieved mastery of all operational skills necessary in wilderness-based leadership training. His background includes a meritorious career in the United States Special Operations Forces, for which he was named a Distinguished Member of the Regiment in the elite 75th Ranger Regiment. Mark was regularly entrusted with operational responsibility over highly complicated and sensitive matters undertaken by the government's most specialized units. While in the service of his country, he received advanced training in logistical operations and communications, risk management, emergency medical procedures, wilderness navigation, mountaineering, primitive camping, weather systems, environmental hazards, and search and rescue. He is a graduate of the Army's Airborne, Ranger, Pathfinder, Master Fitness, Freefall Parachutist, High Altitude Parachutist, and Advanced Land Navigation schools/courses. In addition, Mark completed extensive training in leadership and organizational administration. His first hand experience leading young people safely through rigorous wilderness activities is second to none. Those kids who have the opportunity to work with him are forever inspired by his strength of character and inner discipline. He leads the way as a mentor and guide. Mark is currently certified as a Wilderness First Responder, Red Cross Life Guard Instructor, American Heart Association Basic Life Support Instructor, Ropes Course Facilitator, Climbing Tower Manager, Leave No Trace Trainer, and TACT-2 (Therapeutic Aggression Control Technique) Service Provider.
________________________________________
(3) The Administrator or Executive Director [Buchi or Keith?] shall have a masters degree from an accredited college or university and a minimum of three years of increasingly responsible experience in the human service, mental health or health care field, or a Bachelors Degree plus 5 years experience in the field of child care, human services, mental health, at least 2 of which includes supervisory and/or administrative responsibility.
(4) The Administrator shall be responsible for implementing the policies adopted by the
Governing Body, the on-going operation of the Therapeutic Camp, and compliance with
the "Rules and Regulations for Therapeutic Camps."
(5) The Administrator or his/her designee (qualified under subparts (3), (7), or (9) hereof)
shall be present and responsible for the operation of the camp at all times. Staff on duty
shall be made aware of the designated person.
(6) There shall be a written plan for staff supervision of the therapeutic groups. The plan
shall include the line of supervision, support staff, their location and accessibility.
(7) The staff member [Keith?] with primary responsibility for planning, developing, implementing treatment services, supervising staff who deliver the treatment and ancillary services, and developing in-service training shall have a master's degree in psychology, social work, education or other related fields [ Does ?meritorious career in the United States Special Operations Forces? count?] and experience and/or training in working with children in an outdoor therapeutic environment.
(8) Each Therapeutic Camp shall have a social service worker on staff.
(9) The social service worker shall have at least a Bachelor's Degree from an accredited college or university. Social service workers with less than formal graduate training in social work shall have a minimum of an average of two hours per week supervision/consultation from a professionally trained (MSW) social worker or person with equivalent professional training.
Keith Antonia had better credentials
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#95945 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=20#95945)
Post by: Troll Control on April 13, 2006, 11:17:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on April 13, 2006, 11:25:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 13, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
No room for an honest, ethical person of high morals and integrity at HLA.
Post by: Deborah on April 13, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
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On 2006-04-13 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hope they're not getting rid of Mark Keith. He was one of the ONLY people there who actually cared about helping the kids. Oh wait, how silly of me. Of course they're going to get rid of someone like him.
No room for an honest, ethical person of high morals and integrity at HLA."
While degrees and experience don't ensure "high morals and intergrity", the state does require certain credentials for staff. Unfortunantly if he is the 'director' he must posses what's required in order to hold that position.
Post by: Anonymous on April 14, 2006, 02:41:00 AM
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On 2006-04-13 08:25:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Lazy kids should walk to the doctor anyway. "
lol, and for Restrictions, they should do it on one foot, without shoes
bastards
Post by: Troll Control on April 22, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
With no psychiatrist on board, who is dealing with kids' meds? Testing? Therapy?
Parents, please be aware that your kid is NOT being monitored by a psychiatrist. This is dangerous to say the least.
Post by: Troll Control on April 22, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
This leaves ONLY Nicole with the credentials to occupy this position. She's going to be very busy holding three different jobs at Ridge Creek, HLA and MBA.
She's also a lying skunk and ethically retarded.
Parents, ask where David Jordan is. Ask why he left. Ask who's taking his position and why.
Like rats jumping off a sinking ship...
Post by: RobertBruce on April 23, 2006, 02:25:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on April 23, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
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On 2006-04-22 06:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"HLA has lost yet another psychiatrist. Dr. Reddick walked out.
With no psychiatrist on board, who is dealing with kids' meds? Testing? Therapy?
Parents, please be aware that your kid is NOT being monitored by a psychiatrist. This is dangerous to say the least.
"
Unsupervised meds. That's fantastic.
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 09:19:00 AM
Did you actually interview David and ask him why he is leaving (if in fact he is really leaving). I was just wondering how you know that for sure since you haven't spoken with him directly.
Post by: Troll Control on April 23, 2006, 10:43:00 AM
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On 2006-04-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"D.J.-
Did you actually interview David and ask him why he is leaving (if in fact he is really leaving). I was just wondering how you know that for sure since you haven't spoken with him directly."
"Reportedly." This is what I've been told by employees still working there. Since I've heard it from two credible sources, I consider it to be accurate.
Go back and do some fact checking on other items I've posted. Not a single one has been refuted in any way.
Even with all of the staff fleeing, I still have two sources deeply "embedded" at the facility, one of whom is my friend from when I worked there. Everything they've given me previously has been spot-on. I also wouldn't rule out being contacted by him directly, as I have been by at least a half-dozen other staff that came to me with information and documents upon leaving.
These things take time. It will all come out.
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
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On 2006-04-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"D.J.-
Did you actually interview David and ask him why he is leaving (if in fact he is really leaving). I was just wondering how you know that for sure since you haven't spoken with him directly."
His name isn't on the faculty page. Was it before?
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 11:14:00 AM
Post by: SHH on April 23, 2006, 11:36:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on April 23, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
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On 2006-04-23 08:36:00, SHH wrote:
"It is my understanding that he was at Ridge Creek, not HLA, therefore he wouldnt have been on the faculty list on the HLA website."
It's important to understnd that staff is cross-utilized by both facilities. Regardless of which website they appear on, they work for one person.
Because HLA had no licensed personnel on staff, they were using RC's psych to 1013 patients for HLA.
There is no distinction between the facilities except on paper.
Post by: RobertBruce on April 23, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
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On 2006-04-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"D.J.-
Did you actually interview David and ask him why he is leaving (if in fact he is really leaving). I was just wondering how you know that for sure since you haven't spoken with him directly."
Nicole why are you asking questions to which you already know the answers? Also why are you on here? With all these new respondsibilities youre picking up due to a lack of staff I cant imagien you'd have much free time at all.
You know what you could do? You could continue to break the law and make the kids do your work for you! Remember youve got a whole pool of slave labor right at your finger tips.
You know what they always say?
"Smoke em if you got em!"
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 05:22:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
I know David Jordan and I will not speak for him. I will say that the reason he is leaving is not the reason posted. Those of you who wonder about David's motives should contact him for yourself. Don't take what D.J,RobertBruce, or even what I say for the truth...check for YOURSELF!!!!
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 06:49:00 PM
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On 2006-04-23 15:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
I know David Jordan and I will not speak for him. I will say that the reason he is leaving is not the reason posted.
Thanks for the confirmation that he is, in fact, leaving. That's all I was really after. The rest I'll find out on my own.
Thanks again! :wave:
Chalk another one up for DJ being right.
Post by: juniper2 on April 23, 2006, 06:51:00 PM
e-mail? Thanks.
Post by: Troll Control on April 23, 2006, 07:09:00 PM
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And just how do you KNOW 100% of what he has says that has been proven correct?
well, there's the emails, then the postings of former staff, then there's current staff, and some parents who corroborate the information.
sorry you're upset about something, but the information is absolutely correct. why does this make you so hysterical?
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
If you want to ask David, then email him through the RCI website...you should have been able to figure that one out... Juni.
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on April 23, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
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On 2006-04-23 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow...it really makes you feel better to think I am Nicole and to think that I am "hysterical"?
If you want to ask David, then email him through the RCI website...you should have been able to figure that one out... Juni."
No one has called you Nicole since the last time you pointed it out. Move on to something else.
How's the chapel coming along there? How's the equine program doing? Who is monitoring the kids meds now that there appears to be no psychiatrist on staff?
Post by: RobertBruce on April 24, 2006, 12:55:00 AM
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On 2006-04-23 14:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I know that it is comforting for you to believe or "claim" that I am Nicole. However, I am not. It is intersting that you are doing what you always blame others of doing, "avoiding the question at hand, or the issues". Just answer my question and I will be happy. Did you ask David Jordan why he left, did D.J. ? Right, I didn't think so."
I am neither avoiding a question or issue. If you take a closer look you'll notice you never asked me a question. I simply pointed out that you already know the answer as to why he left, so why ask others.
Now if you want to know if I've spoken with David Jordan, the answer is no. Nor have I made any claims about him. As to whether or not DJ has spoken with him the answer to that would be I don't know.
I can however tell you what I do know on the matter.
I know DJ has multiple contacts at HLA who give him inside information.
I know I too have contacts within the school.
I know there has in recent months been a mass exodus/firing of staff from the senior levels on down.
I know there are numerous saftey. ethical, and legal issues, the school is facing right now and they are in fact running scared.
Now given the things that I know it would make sense to guess that the reason David Jordan left would be similar to that of all the others.
Would you care to offer up a counter argument or are you just going to evade more of the real issues?
Post by: Troll Control on May 02, 2006, 01:57:00 PM
They fired the nurse so there is no medical personnel whatsoever on campus - very dangerous.
They are now reportedly using a receptionist to dispense medications. This is in direct violation of their own policy and may also be illegal.
Post by: juniper2 on May 02, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
allow wiggle room in their Handbook...However,
the MHDD, definitely will not take well to this.
Post by: Troll Control on May 03, 2006, 10:20:00 AM
Why would any parent put their kid under the control of people who have this type of values? It's mind-boggling.
If they need more money, why not raise the tuition instead of cutting vital services?
Post by: Lacey on May 03, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on May 03, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
"Hello, Hidden Lake Academy. How may I direct your call? Hold, please."
(hits transfer button and enters extension)
(turns to line of children forming at her desk)
"Now, which one are you? Johhny K. or Johhny B.? And you get how many blue ones? And how about the big yellow ones?"
(hands out unknown quantity of unknown medication to unknown child)
(phone rings)
"Hello, Hidden Lake Academy. How may I direct your call?"
Yep, that scenario is right as rain. No need to look into this one, parents.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-05-03 10:02 ]
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on May 04, 2006, 11:18:00 AM
Here's the sad part:
This poor lady, the only "constant" in the turmoil of firings of every single healthcare worker at the facility, was not even told personally.
The Little General made a common email mistake and hit "reply all" instead of "reply" and accidentally copied Pam Garrett with her own three-word epitaph - "LET HER GO." What a way to find out that your job is already gone even as you sit at your desk working.
This just exposes the ruthless mindset of these folks. Remember, this is the same regard in which they hold your kids. All that matters is the NUMBERS, not anyone's (kids or staff) well-being...
Why aren't some of you sheep asking why you're being fleeced for services that DON'T EVEN EXIST? Do you parents really not care about your kids' welfare?
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on May 04, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2006, 03:54:00 PM
Post by: juniper2 on May 04, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
Post by: Lacey on May 04, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
Post by: Deborah on May 04, 2006, 09:28:00 PM
Post by: Lacey on May 05, 2006, 08:30:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 08:49:00 AM
Pam Garrett was well liked, however, she is Bill
Grays' mother in-law...it was just a matter of time...
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 10:52:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on May 05, 2006, 11:07:00 AM
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Rachel Correll is a receptionist, no knowledge...
...of psychiatry or the dispensing of psychotropics.
This is just a huge, dangerous problem. These kids are going to get the wrong meds, wrong quantities and are going to be "cheeking," hoarding and trading like crazy.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 11:11:00 AM
McDaniel, Protection and Advocacy (Georgia Advocacy Organization) Director of Investigations
Unit 404-885-1234...re:HLA..It may help...
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 11:15:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
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On 2006-05-05 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
Parents et al, if you are concerned call Tobin
McDaniel, Protection and Advocacy (Georgia Advocacy Organization) Director of Investigations
Unit 404-885-1234...re:HLA..It may help..."
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2006, 11:47:00 AM
what the HELL is going on there...Your little
Timmy may just get the pretty yellow pill,
instead of the serene blue one...
Post by: Troll Control on May 10, 2006, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
there is no "qualified" medical personnel dispensing meds. They've gone from being understaffed in the infirmary to being unstaffed.
These kids are being placed at risk due to the
negligence of the administration - this is a scary
and unacceptable situation.
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
have always been a problem...now with the receptionist dispensing, I have been notified
of problems...Dr. Reddick is aware of the situation...I wonder why she doesn't report HLA?
Or does her pocket book take over her oath? Time will tell...I don't think she has reported this to GAO..yet..
Post by: Lacey on May 12, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
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On 2006-05-11 20:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No kidding...I have been informed that the meds
have always been a problem...now with the receptionist dispensing, I have been notified
of problems...Dr. Reddick is aware of the situation...I wonder why she doesn't report HLA?
Or does her pocket book take over her oath? Time will tell...I don't think she has reported this to GAO..yet.."
This is true. Meds were rarely administered by a professional, and I knew dozens of kids who cheeked their meds daily and passed around Adderall, Ritalin, etc. Its never really been a stable issue there. But then again, what's ever been stable there?
Post by: Troll Control on May 14, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
Another one bites the dust...
Post by: juniper2 on May 16, 2006, 02:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on May 16, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
Probably not, he's to busy with being the CEO of the Non Profit portion of HLA.
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on May 16, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true.
Post by: Badpuppy on May 19, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else.
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
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Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I could care less what two consenting adults do in their own home. My comments center on that while HLA claimed to treat homosexuality, the owner himself and a number of staff members are openly gay.
I also find it ironic that the school prohibits students from forming any kind of real relationships with each other yet the owner is allegedly engaged in open promiscuity?
Safe sex has little to do with it, having multiple partners all at once is never a good idea.
Post by: RobertBruce on May 19, 2006, 05:14:00 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2006, 02:45:00 PM
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On 2006-05-19 13:51:00, Badpuppy wrote:
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I don't think that by listing homosexuality as something they treat they were calling it a disease. What was meant by that is that they helped kids who were having difficulties with their sexual orientation and were going through a difficult time with that issue. Never in my time there was a kid treated as having a disease if they were homosexual. Actually the opposite was true. Kids struggling with there sexual identity were just given an opportunity to work through that issue. Whether they were homosexual or not was not the real issue.
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Post by: Lacey on May 21, 2006, 06:00:00 PM
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On 2006-05-21 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-19 13:51:00, Badpuppy wrote:
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I don't think that by listing homosexuality as something they treat they were calling it a disease. What was meant by that is that they helped kids who were having difficulties with their sexual orientation and were going through a difficult time with that issue. Never in my time there was a kid treated as having a disease if they were homosexual. Actually the opposite was true. Kids struggling with there sexual identity were just given an opportunity to work through that issue. Whether they were homosexual or not was not the real issue."
Uhm, from having 2 homosexual kids in my PG, and being in the counseling sessions, I can atest that you are incorrect. Their sexual orientation and actions partaining to it were often brought up and "dealt with" in a very negative light.
Post by: Badpuppy on May 21, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
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On 2006-05-21 15:00:00, Lacey wrote:
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On 2006-05-21 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-19 13:51:00, Badpuppy wrote:
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I don't think that by listing homosexuality as something they treat they were calling it a disease. What was meant by that is that they helped kids who were having difficulties with their sexual orientation and were going through a difficult time with that issue. Never in my time there was a kid treated as having a disease if they were homosexual. Actually the opposite was true. Kids struggling with there sexual identity were just given an opportunity to work through that issue. Whether they were homosexual or not was not the real issue."
Uhm, from having 2 homosexual kids in my PG, and being in the counseling sessions, I can atest that you are incorrect. Their sexual orientation and actions partaining to it were often brought up and "dealt with" in a very negative light. "
Could you elaborate on what the counselors say to the gay kids, how it was put in a negative light.[ This Message was edited by: Badpuppy on 2006-05-21 19:30 ]
Post by: Badpuppy on May 21, 2006, 08:37:00 PM
Let me help you a little with your education. If you think being gay isn't a major issue in their lives you need a reality check. How the hell could you treat the drug abuse and depression without understanding what it is like to have to either lead a double life or a life where who you are is largely subjected to derision, and scorn. Rememeber, your a kid. You can't just up and go to a gay freindly area. Being gay is a comorbid factor in probably 30% of teen suicides.
Gay kids are going to gravitate in a different social environment than staight kids. Can you tell me whats different? I am trying to see if you are competent to deal with these kids.[ This Message was edited by: on 2006-05-21 17:41 ]
Post by: RobertBruce on May 22, 2006, 12:02:00 AM
Post by: Lacey on May 22, 2006, 09:04:00 AM
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On 2006-05-21 17:37:00, Badpuppy wrote:
"Can you tell me how the couselors kept the gay kids from becoming pariahs? How did you help them work it through? Did you encourage them to discuss this in group?
Let me help you a little with your education. If you think being gay isn't a major issue in their lives you need a reality check. How the hell could you treat the drug abuse and depression without understanding what it is like to have to either lead a double life or a life where who you are is largely subjected to derision, and scorn. Rememeber, your a kid. You can't just up and go to a gay freindly area. Being gay is a comorbid factor in probably 30% of teen suicides.
Gay kids are going to gravitate in a different social environment than staight kids. Can you tell me whats different? I am trying to see if you are competent to deal with these kids.[ This Message was edited by: on 2006-05-21 17:41 ]"
Are you talking to me? I'm not a counselor. I meant in my PG as in I was a student. I never claimed to be competent to "deal with" these kids.
Post by: Troll Control on May 22, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
In addition, there are still no staff whatsover for the infirmary.
Parents, let's hope your kids don't get sick or struck by a drunk driver on campus.
Post by: Badpuppy on May 22, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Badpuppy on May 22, 2006, 01:42:00 PM
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On 2006-05-21 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-19 13:51:00, Badpuppy wrote:
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual
relationship (a disorder the school at one point
claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I don't think that by listing homosexuality as something they treat they were calling it a disease. What was meant by that is that they helped kids who were having difficulties with their sexual orientation and were going through a difficult time with that issue. Never in my time there was a kid treated as having a disease if they were homosexual. Actually the opposite was true. Kids struggling with there sexual identity were just given an opportunity to work through that issue. Whether they were homosexual or not was not the real issue."
Can you tell me how the couselors kept the gay kids from becoming pariahs? How did you help them work it through? Did you encourage them to discuss this in group?
Let me help you a little with your education. If you think being gay isn't a major issue in their lives you need a reality check. How the hell could you treat the drug abuse and depression without understanding what it is like to have to either lead a double life or a life where who you are is largely subjected to derision, and scorn. Rememeber, your a kid. You can't just up and go to a gay freindly area. Being gay is a comorbid factor in probably 30% of teen suicides.
Gay kids are going to gravitate in a different social environment than staight kids. Can you tell me whats different? I am trying to see if you are competent to deal with these kids.[ This Message was edited by: on 2006-05-21 17:41 ]
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
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On 2006-05-21 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-05-19 13:51:00, Badpuppy wrote:
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On 2006-05-16 17:08:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Hmmmm if thats true it raises more questions.
Why would a school prohibit inmates from forming any sort of relationship yet its owner not only engages in a homosexual relationship (a disorder the school at one point claimed to treat) while also engaging in dangerous promiscuity?
It really would raise a few questions should it turn out to be true. "
Why is promiscuous sex dangerous if they engage in safe sex? Is your point that homosexuatity is a disorder, or that HLA is hypocritical by treating homosexuality as a disease at the same time its owner was gay? I have the same disdain for homophobes as I do for this industry. Many kids are incarcerated for little else than their sexual orientation. If the point of the post is to point out the irony of their gay relationship while treating homosexuality as disease that is one thing. If your point is to bash them for being gay thats something else."
I don't think that by listing homosexuality as something they treat they were calling it a disease. What was meant by that is that they helped kids who were having difficulties with their sexual orientation and were going through a difficult time with that issue. Never in my time there was a kid treated as having a disease if they were homosexual. Actually the opposite was true.
Kids struggling with there sexual identity were just given an opportunity to work through that issue. Whether they were homosexual or not was not the real issue."
BTW do you actually have any idea what it means to work through a problem? How do you work through a problem like sexual identity without an opportunity to have relationships? That is exactly the reason why RTC's harm teens. These issues cannot be worked out in an artificial environment. Work through an issue like sexual identity at HLA. LOL. You want to run away as far as you can--because in a lock down this is a real can of worms.
Post by: Badpuppy on May 23, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on June 14, 2006, 02:55:00 PM
It seems like there have been quite a few firings there recently. if anyone has the information, please post it.
Post by: Anonymous on June 14, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
Applications accepted Mon.- Fri. 8-5. No phone call inquiries. For directions to obtain an application call (706)864-4730 or FAX resume to (706)864-9109. EOE.
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/class ... p%20Wanted (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=Help%20Wanted)
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Post by: RobertBruce on June 15, 2006, 08:49:00 AM
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On 2006-06-14 12:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We are currently interviewing for the following positions at Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega. RECEPTIONIST, DRIVER, RECREATION, and NIGHTWATCH STAFF.
Applications accepted Mon.- Fri. 8-5. No phone call inquiries. For directions to obtain an application call (706)864-4730 or FAX resume to (706)864-9109. EOE.
http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/class ... p%20Wanted (http://www.thedahloneganugget.com/classifieds/?loc=detail&main=Help%20Wanted)
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I guess it makes sense that they arent taking phone inquiries, they dont have anyone to answer the phone. The receptionist they had is to busy playing school nurse to a doctor who isnt licensed. Well I guess he should fit right in at HLA then.
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2006, 01:15:39 AM
Post by: Troll Control on July 27, 2006, 01:23:53 PM
Quote from: ""Guest 2""
Parents were told more night staff had been hired already. (Issues going on at night in the boys' dorm.) I suppose this was a lie, too?
I don't think this is true. They are currently advertising for night staff. If they already hired them, why are they still soliciting?
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2006, 03:14:41 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2006, 12:38:16 PM
Len, it's all coming down around you!
Post by: Troll Control on August 07, 2006, 01:03:35 PM
Quote from: ""vetter.law""
rumor has it that the former business manager has been cooperating with federal and state officials (throughout their investigation) as well as the local and national media.
Len, it's all coming down around you!
let's not forget all those ex-staffers fired for trying to uphold their responsibilities to the kids - the ones that actually DID their jobs - they're singing like canaries to the authorities, too.
it's only a matter of time before this whole drigible bursts into flames. don't bother rearranging the deck chairs on your hindenburg, len. it won't matter soon anyway.
Post by: juniper2 on August 08, 2006, 12:41:04 AM
Quote from: ""vetter.law""
rumor has it that the former business manager has been cooperating with federal and state officials (throughout their investigation) as well as the local and national media.
Len, it's all coming down around you!
You keep saying the "former business manager", who are you referring to?
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 02:14:59 PM
SHH
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Asks SHH
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SHH
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