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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
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Does anyone know why Discovery Academy in Utah is on the ISAC "watch list?"
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I don't know. Why don't you go look. http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.html (http://www.isaccorp.org/watchlist.html)
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or go to http://www.discovery-academy-forum.com (http://www.discovery-academy-forum.com) for more detailed horror stories written by former prisoners
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Thanks: I had already looked on both of those sites.
ISAC has Discovery Academy on the "watch list," but there are no articles there giving the reasons WHY.
I read through most of the DIscovery Academy Forum and, although there are many references made to "reporting to ISAC" the reason for being on the "watch list" is not state there, either.
Perhaps an email to ISAC will provide the information. Thanks, again.
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I contacted ISAC about the reason they have Discovery Academy on the watch list. The reason stated to me was that there was "credible evidence" of a sexual assautlt that took place in March of 2005. They also stated that because of privacy laws in the state of Utah that there was no documentable evidence to publish on the site. Therefore the alleged event is just that, alleged.
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///The reason stated to me was that there was "credible evidence" of a sexual assautlt that took place in March of 2005. They also stated that because of privacy laws in the state of Utah that there was no documentable evidence to publish on the site. Therefore the alleged event is just that, alleged.///
And you would have ISAC post a minor (in age) victim's sexual assault information on the internet - so as to give more weight to the allegation?
Or What?
Are you saying such an allegation is not significant enough to bear watch list status?
Or What?
I have a question - is Discovery Academy one of Susan's pet programs?
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Where are the documents? Where is the proof? ISAC publishes lots of documents regarding these types of incidents. It's just curious that there is no news article or anything on the document page.
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If it was explained to you that there has been a credible allegation of sexual assault - that the supportive documents may not be made public - and you still don't understand - then you are one dim bulb.
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On 2006-03-05 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Where are the documents? Where is the proof? ISAC publishes lots of documents regarding these types of incidents. It's just curious that there is no news article or anything on the document page. "
You can't possibly be a parent. You must be either trolling or affiliated with a Program or Ed Cons.
If you require proof positive of abuse before taking a kid out of a facility, school, or summer camp, then you shouldn't be entrusted with a goldfish, much less a child.
I'm a parent, and of course I know the other parents in my community. *None* of them, if they heard a kid was recently raped or otherwise sexually assaulted at the school their kid was at would say "prove it" before getting their kid out.
Unless the allegation was proven *false*, or the suspect was suspended immediately and fired if he couldn't be cleared (or, if a student, expelled), they would get their kids right out of there.
Might depend on whether the alleged victim was the same gender as their kid.
If it was a public school and they didn't get the suspect out of there, pronto, there would be some school board members losing their jobs in the next election cycle.
The only *potential* exception would be if legally the school couldn't remove a suspect kid.
Julie
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On 2006-03-06 06:34:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"If it was explained to you that there has been a credible allegation of sexual assault - that the supportive documents may not be made public - and you still don't understand - then you are one dim bulb.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
TOUCHE!
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What happened to the Forum for discovery academy students started by Erik? I haven't been able to get on for days.
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On 2006-03-07 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-05 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Where are the documents? Where is the proof? ISAC publishes lots of documents regarding these types of incidents. It's just curious that there is no news article or anything on the document page. "
You can't possibly be a parent. You must be either trolling or affiliated with a Program or Ed Cons.
If you require proof positive of abuse before taking a kid out of a facility, school, or summer camp, then you shouldn't be entrusted with a goldfish, much less a child.
I'm a parent, and of course I know the other parents in my community. *None* of them, if they heard a kid was recently raped or otherwise sexually assaulted at the school their kid was at would say "prove it" before getting their kid out.
Unless the allegation was proven *false*, or the suspect was suspended immediately and fired if he couldn't be cleared (or, if a student, expelled), they would get their kids right out of there.
Might depend on whether the alleged victim was the same gender as their kid.
If it was a public school and they didn't get the suspect out of there, pronto, there would be some school board members losing their jobs in the next election cycle.
The only *potential* exception would be if legally the school couldn't remove a suspect kid.
Julie"
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Again, the key word here is "alleged". Nothing has been "proven" true or false. ISAC has received information that they deem "credible" which at this point is heresay.
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On 2006-03-07 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Again, the key word here is "alleged". Nothing has been "proven" true or false. ISAC has received information that they deem "credible" which at this point is heresay."
So, being hearsay you feel it is fine to ignore it?
You don't think it is worth being aware of - worth "watching"?
I think you are just trying to find any kind of excuse to ignore the evidence that is before you.
Why? I don't know - but you seem to be very purposefully obtuse.
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My take on it: By now if there was not "some truth to the evidence ISAC has" the owners of Discovery Academy would have filed some type of legal documents to DEMAND that ISAC remome Discovery Academy from the "watch list."
ISAC does not arbitarily or independently make the decision place a facility on the "watch list."
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Finally ISAC has some documentation to support Discovery Academy being placed on the "watch list"
The documentation aspect is important and lends credibility to ISAC.
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It has been weeks now. Does anybody know why?
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Here's a newspaper link about a staff at Discovery being found GUILTY and SENTENCED for raping a girl in the kitchen at D.A.
http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/53188/4/ (http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/53188/4/)
Wednesday, October 09, 2002
Court briefing for 10/9 PDF | Print | E-mail
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Daily Herald
SENTENCING: A mental health worker who had sex with a 16-year-old female patient was sentenced Wednesday to a year in jail.
Orem resident Joseph J. Butler, 26, pleaded guilty July 25 to attempted rape, a second-degree felony, and making a written false statement, a class-A misdemeanor. A plea bargain reduced the original charge of first-degree felony rape.
Fourth District Judge Gary Stott ordered Butler taken into custody immediately. He said Butler could have work-release privileges after serving 180 days but also must enter the jail's sex offender therapy program and register with the state as a sex offender.
Butler had sex with the patient in the kitchen of the Discovery Academy, a private mental health clinic in Provo, said Sherry Ragan, chief of the criminal division in the Utah County Attorney's Office. The girl had gone to the kitchen for a drink.
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On 2006-03-07 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Again, the key word here is "alleged". Nothing has been "proven" true or false. ISAC has received information that they deem "credible" which at this point is heresay."
According to the jury that convicted a D.A. staff member of rape and the judge who sentenced him to jail time, this is not alleged. It has been proven in a court of law that a D.A. staff member raped a girl in the kitchen at the facility.
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Call the watch list and ask them. That is what i did.
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Unfortunately, the discovery-academy-forum.com has disappeared. There were hundreds of posters and the moderator confirmed that all pro-D.A. posts were made from the same computer at the program. Some complaints listed were that a boy was raped with a broomstick, that a staff member was convicted for raping a girl in the kitchen, that the education was horrible and consisted of filling out packets and taking multiple choice tests, and that horrendous abuses occured under both the new and old administration. It would be nice to use this forum as a site to discuss Discovery Academy while that site is MIA.
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On 2006-03-07 21:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Again, the key word here is "alleged". Nothing has been "proven" true or false. ISAC has received information that they deem "credible" which at this point is heresay."
SOOOOOOO send your child there!!!!!!!!:skull:
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I agree. Anon, is your child enrolled at DA?
You willing to take the chance someone MIGHT take a broomstick to your kid?
I'm not.
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I have a friend who just got sent there and I'm scared. Can anyone who's been there tell please
tell me about the place
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can you show your friend's parents this website?
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Yes I can but I'm not sure how seriously they would take it
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You won't know unless you try it. I would contact the parents and, as calmly as you can, tell them why you are worried. Show them that there are places like Fornits where these schools and centers are discussed. Often the parents don't hear a negative side about the schools, only that the school will "fix" their child. Educate the parents!
Unless you have something to fear from your friends's parents, I would go to them..perhaps with your parents, do you talk to your parents about these kind of things? You should always speak up if you feel the need.
Also, check this out, and show it to them. http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html#da (http://www.isaccorp.org/documentsam.html#da) You will find Discovery part way down the page.
Try not to see adults as an enemy, plenty of us are with you all the way. Good luck, my fingers are crossed for you and your friend
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Thanks for the advice, I want to gather as much info as I can to support my position about removing him from this school. Any ideas where I might find additional info?
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well, what I would suggest is a negative search in google. I made the tragic mistake of not researching one of these schools negatively from the start. When it was too late, and I did, I found alot, including this forum.
I would try something like: "Discovery Academy" problems
or - trouble "discovery academy" -things like that...the reason I call them negative searches is the use of words like trouble and problems, they have a negative connotation in general.
I have found putting the school in quotes does a better search, regardless of how good Google is without them.
If there are too many results, throw Utah into the mix.
It is wonderful what you are trying to do, someone has a damn good friend. I am rooting for you guys.
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forgot this:
Additionally, use neg searches, and places like this forum and others, to get a general overview of these schools, not just the one.
The parents need to know the school may NOT be the answer, they aree generally approaching the problem from a positive view only. I know I did, I will never make that mistake again. It hurts lives.
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There used to be a lot more info up about D.A. but the site was shut down. The current owner would like to pretend that everything happened under the previous owner's tenure, but the rapes, etc. are Brent Hall's responsibility. Actually all but a handful of the former prisoners who posted were from recent years during which Brent Hall was in charge. Plus, he was a therapist there under the old owner's name so he supported the program under both leaderships. It is heartbreaking to hear that the program hasn't changed in over a decade and I really wish the survivors' stories were still available.
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On 2006-03-07 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What happened to the Forum for discovery academy students started by Erik? I haven't been able to get on for days."
Does anyone know how I may find Erik to see why the forum was shut down?
And to see if he has archives of the forum so I may read it
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On 2006-06-16 00:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes I can but I'm not sure how seriously they would take it "
Send them here.
http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm)
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On 2006-06-18 12:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-07 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What happened to the Forum for discovery academy students started by Erik? I haven't been able to get on for days."
Does anyone know how I may find Erik to see why the forum was shut down?
And to see if he has archives of the forum so I may read it"
http://www.myspace.com/erikbowen (http://www.myspace.com/erikbowen)
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This site makes me sick...
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On 2006-06-18 20:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This site makes me sick..."
yeah, no kidding child abuse is sickening...
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On 2006-06-18 20:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This site makes me sick..."
Why does it make you sick?
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On 2006-06-18 19:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-18 12:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-07 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What happened to the Forum for discovery academy students started by Erik? I haven't been able to get on for days."
Does anyone know how I may find Erik to see why the forum was shut down?
And to see if he has archives of the forum so I may read it"
http://www.myspace.com/erikbowen (http://www.myspace.com/erikbowen) "
Thanks, I emailed Erik a few days ago but he hasn't responded.
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated,
I'm so worried I can hardly sleep