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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on February 07, 2006, 09:00:00 PM
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Can't sue the government for discretionary spending. The government has broad immunity when it comes to tort liability. You would lose. Probably can't sue Straight due to statute of limitation issues unless you recently realized some harm that you can attribute to your time at Straight. (Have to prove that you reasonably couldn't have known of the cause of the damage until recently). This is a hard argument to make if you have been complaining about Straight for years.
What would your cause of action be? Negligent infliction of emotional distress, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence? Battery? Assault? Do you have identifiable damages? I'm pissed and depressed doesn't count. For example, you have the burden of proving outrageous conduct that caused severe emotional distress (should have physical symptoms). Some of the experiences I have read about on this site SURELY qualify, but you have waited too long. I don't even know who you would sue. I believe Straight is no more. Correct? Are there staff members still around?
I would advise you to get a client from one of the more recent programs (Pathway?) and get them to file a complaint.
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sounds good ta me
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Whst sbout a recent diagnosis of PTSD stemming from Straight? I certainly just became aware of the injury and have not started bitching about straight until shortly before my diagnosis. I think Statutes of Limitations start either from the time the injury occurred or from the time you discovered that you were injured. Any thoughts?
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Ypu are correct. Statutes of limitations relate to the time a plaintiff knew or should have known that he had a legal claim. Statutes of repose are a little different in that they start the moment the act or ommission occured regardless of when the injured party knew of the claim.
The discovery rule, like you said, is a rule that starts the SOL running when the P discovers the injury.
With regard to your PTSD (?), did you have any symptoms prior to the diagnosis? How long have you been out of Straight? Have you had any legal/family troubles?
The statute will start, typically, when you "Should Have Known" of your legal claim. This will be very hard to prove if you have been out of treatment for a long time, especially if you have had other problems that the defense would be able to tie to your injury.
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Hey, I see you're a law student. So am I. (I guess I've been caught giving illegal advice...hehe). Where are you at school?
I was in a program called Pathway that is similar to Straight (or at least used to be). It's nice to meet you.
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On 2006-02-07 18:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey, I see you're a law student. So am I. (I guess I've been caught giving illegal advice...hehe). Where are you at school?"
Send me a pm and I'll tell ya....
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On 2006-02-07 18:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ypu are correct. Statutes of limitations relate to the time a plaintiff knew or should have known that he had a legal claim. Statutes of repose are a little different in that they start the moment the act or ommission occured regardless of when the injured party knew of the claim.
The discovery rule, like you said, is a rule that starts the SOL running when the P discovers the injury.
With regard to your PTSD (?), did you have any symptoms prior to the diagnosis? How long have you been out of Straight? Have you had any legal/family troubles?
The statute will start, typically, when you "Should Have Known" of your legal claim. This will be very hard to prove if you have been out of treatment for a long time, especially if you have had other problems that the defense would be able to tie to your injury. "
I can answer this in pm's, not on the board.
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Yeah, I imagine the statute of limitations problem would be tricky. 10+ years without knowing about post traumatic stress?
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How about RICCO? No limitations on time if I remember correctly. Colusion between govt officials and Straight (DFAF). Is there anyone that can help with that angle?
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On 2006-02-07 18:13:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Whst sbout a recent diagnosis of PTSD stemming from Straight? I certainly just became aware of the injury and have not started bitching about straight until shortly before my diagnosis. I think Statutes of Limitations start either from the time the injury occurred or from the time you discovered that you were injured. Any thoughts?"
I recently reported my statements to the police and they have sat down on it. That's illegal right?
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Limitations Period
RICO claims are subject to a four-year statute of limitations. The United States Supreme Court adopted this limitations period and applied it to all RICO claims in the case of Agency Holding Corp. v Malley-Duff & Associates, Inc., 483 U.S. 143 (1987). Because RICO did not have its own statute of limitations, common law rules dictated that RICO claims should be subject to the statute of limitations applied to the most analogous claim under state law. The Supreme Court did not favor this approach because it would have resulted in civil RICO claims being subject to 50 different limitations periods, and no one could determine the limitations period until a particular claim was brought in a particular jurisdiction. The Supreme Court decided it was more fair and efficient to borrow the limitations period from another federal statute, which would result in a uniform statute of limitations period regardless of the jurisdiction in which a particular RICO claim was filed. Because Congress essentially copied RICO's civil remedy provision (18 U.S.C. § 1964(c)) from the civil remedies provision of the Clayton Anti-trust Act, 15 U.S.C. § 15(a), the Supreme Court adopted the Clayton Act's four year statute of limitations as the limitations period applicable to all federal civil RICO claims. http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp#rico (http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp#rico)
The holding in the case states:
(I listed the citation after the holding for those who have access to Lexis or Westlaw)
1. The 4-year statute of limitations applicable to Clayton Act civil enforcement actions, 15 U. S. C. § 15b, applies in RICO civil enforcement actions. Because the predicate acts that may establish a civil RICO violation are far ranging and cannot be reduced to a single generic classification, and because important RICO concepts were unknown to common law, there is a need for a uniform limitations period for civil RICO in order to avoid intolerable uncertainty for parties and time-consuming litigation. The Clayton Act offers the closest analogy to civil RICO, in light of similarities in purpose and structure between the statutes, and the clear legislative intent to pattern RICO's civil enforcement provision on the Clayton Act's. Moreover, the Clayton Act provides a far closer analogy to RICO than any state statute. It is unlikely that Congress intended state "catchall" statutes of limitations to apply or that such statutes would fairly serve the federal interests vindicated by RICO, and, in those States that do not have catchalls, any selection of a state statute would be at odds with RICO's sui generis nature. RICO cases commonly involve interstate transactions, and the possibility of a multiplicity of applicable state limitations periods presents the dangers of forum shopping and of complex, expensive, and unnecessary litigation. Application of a uniform federal period also avoids the possibility that application of unduly short state periods would thwart the legislative purpose of providing an effective remedy. Section 15b is preferable to the "catchall" federal 5-year statute of limitations that applies in RICO criminal prosecutions, since that statute does not reflect any congressional balancing of the competing equities unique to RICO civil enforcement actions. Pp. 146-156.
2. Because this litigation was filed less than four years after Malley-Duff's termination as Crown Life's agent, which is the earliest time Malley-Duff's RICO action could have accrued, the litigation is timely. Agency Holding Corp. v. Malley-Duff & Associates, Inc., 483 U.S. 143
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Limitations Period
RICO claims are subject to a four-year statute of limitations. The United States Supreme Court adopted this limitations period and applied it to all RICO claims in the case of Agency Holding Corp. v Malley-Duff & Associates, Inc., 483 U.S. 143 (1987). Because RICO did not have its own statute of limitations, common law rules dictated that RICO claims should be subject to the statute of limitations applied to the most analogous claim under state law. The Supreme Court did not favor this approach because it would have resulted in civil RICO claims being subject to 50 different limitations periods, and no one could determine the limitations period until a particular claim was brought in a particular jurisdiction. The Supreme Court decided it was more fair and efficient to borrow the limitations period from another federal statute, which would result in a uniform statute of limitations period regardless of the jurisdiction in which a particular RICO claim was filed. Because Congress essentially copied RICO's civil remedy provision (18 U.S.C. § 1964(c)) from the civil remedies provision of the Clayton Anti-trust Act, 15 U.S.C. § 15(a), the Supreme Court adopted the Clayton Act's four year statute of limitations as the limitations period applicable to all federal civil RICO claims. http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp#rico (http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp#rico)
The holding in the case states:
(I listed the citation after the holding for those who have access to Lexis or Westlaw)
1. The 4-year statute of limitations applicable to Clayton Act civil enforcement actions, 15 U. S. C. § 15b, applies in RICO civil enforcement actions. Because the predicate acts that may establish a civil RICO violation are far ranging and cannot be reduced to a single generic classification, and because important RICO concepts were unknown to common law, there is a need for a uniform limitations period for civil RICO in order to avoid intolerable uncertainty for parties and time-consuming litigation. The Clayton Act offers the closest analogy to civil RICO, in light of similarities in purpose and structure between the statutes, and the clear legislative intent to pattern RICO's civil enforcement provision on the Clayton Act's. Moreover, the Clayton Act provides a far closer analogy to RICO than any state statute. It is unlikely that Congress intended state "catchall" statutes of limitations to apply or that such statutes would fairly serve the federal interests vindicated by RICO, and, in those States that do not have catchalls, any selection of a state statute would be at odds with RICO's sui generis nature. RICO cases commonly involve interstate transactions, and the possibility of a multiplicity of applicable state limitations periods presents the dangers of forum shopping and of complex, expensive, and unnecessary litigation. Application of a uniform federal period also avoids the possibility that application of unduly short state periods would thwart the legislative purpose of providing an effective remedy. Section 15b is preferable to the "catchall" federal 5-year statute of limitations that applies in RICO criminal prosecutions, since that statute does not reflect any congressional balancing of the competing equities unique to RICO civil enforcement actions. Pp. 146-156.
2. Because this litigation was filed less than four years after Malley-Duff's termination as Crown Life's agent, which is the earliest time Malley-Duff's RICO action could have accrued, the litigation is timely. Agency Holding Corp. v. Malley-Duff & Associates, Inc., 483 U.S. 143
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Basically, because the RICO statute is silent on civil statute of limitations periods, the Supreme Court has said that Fed cts can borrow from state statutes of limitations that come from similar statutes and when there are no similar state statutes, fed cts can borrow from similar fed statute of limitations. The S. Ct. has decides that "The 4-year statute of limitations applicable to Clayton Act civil enforcement actions, 15 U. S. C. § 15b, applies in RICO civil enforcement actions."
Nonconformist, I breezed through the case and the statute. Am I reading the majority correctly?
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I should say that I am not a lawyer yet, so this is not legal advice and should be taken with a huge block of salt.
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I recently reported my statements to the police and they have sat down on it. That's illegal right?
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What does "sat down on it" mean?
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What does "sat down on it" mean? Ignored?
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On 2006-02-08 15:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What does "sat down on it" mean? Ignored?"
I think so. It means probably ignored or removed due to perceived frivolity of the case itself or the pursuit of conviction or case. If I used this term it would mean little more than that but it's not a term used in legal fashion in any place at all. I may have used that statement to say that the police department merely filed away my statement either because they didn't believe me or because they didn't want to go up against Straight Incorporated.
But, I doubt NonConformistLaw is any kind of attorney or going to be one. If it's Marti we're discussing here I don't think she's even a certified paralegal, maybe certifiable but not a paralegal.
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But, I doubt NonConformistLaw is any kind of attorney or going to be one.
Why do you say that? What the fuck do you know about her?
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So, no RICO then?
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So, no RICO?
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On 2006-02-08 16:25:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"But, I doubt NonConformistLaw is any kind of attorney or going to be one.
Why do you say that? What the fuck do you know about her? "
umm, it's known she's no kind of attorney.
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You can read the future? Fuck you.
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And you can read the future? You're a fucking asshole.