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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: The Elan Reporter on February 02, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
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Who were your directors during your time?
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E-5 Neil Kurtzman? I think that was his last name,I wasn't there long.
E-4 Jeff Gotttlieb
E-7 John Ricci and Jim Rubino
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wow jim rubin... MORE STORIES REMEMBERED...
Neal was a standup guy!
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Yeah,I can't tell my Rubino stories because of my respect for the dead.Dave B might have some too.
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Neil made me and my freind John live in a dumpster.I'd like to stand him up and knock him out.
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On 2006-02-02 10:50:00, xres8182 wrote:
"E-5 Neil Kurtzman? I think that was his last name,I wasn't there long.
E-4 Jeff Gotttlieb
E-7 John Ricci and Jim Rubino"
What years were you in E4?
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Feb 81 till Oct 82 Sorry I misread the question,I was sent to E-4 in the fall of 81,and the house was split up in the spring or early summer of 82.
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rubino is dead?
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You must have to be a nasty, viscious person to land a job at Elan. I was at Elan wwwhen anne Flynne was there. She wassnt my director but I heard alot of bad things about here. She was this short woman that was very nasty and viscious in GM's. Anyone else remember Anne?
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Anne Flynne,I remember her alright.My 1st re-entry job was staff at e-8 and I believe she fired me for paying too much attention to Clair.I'm not sure if that was true or not,maybe,Clair was cute and I had been locked up a long time by then.Anyway I was glad to be re-assigned to ordering sundries and cigarettes.Being around Ann in Elan always sucked.She was a mega-bitch,always on a tear,so to speak.Apparently she loosened up a bit after work.One of my good alumni freinds did her after he graduated and we were roommates at the time.Must have been about 4 years after we got out though.
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anne was a fun one ... gotta say that
used to call her anne fling
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Never amazes me what a coke whore will do for cash or a flashy car.
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It's kinda amazing what people will say about other people anonymously.
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Though perhaps a shitty thing to say,jimmy...If the shoe fits.. and this is Art
I have a "history " with this individual also. The details need not be discussed but i dont think that post was far of the truth at all. hope she is doing well today because I always liked Ann.
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On 2006-02-04 07:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
The details need not be discussed but i dont think that post was far of the truth at all.
Which post?
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Which post?"
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Never amazes me what a coke whore will do for cash or a flashy car
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I didn't say it wasn't true.
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On 2006-02-04 07:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Though perhaps a shitty thing to say,jimmy...If the shoe fits.. and this is Art
I have a "history " with this individual also. The details need not be discussed but i dont think that post was far of the truth at all. hope she is doing well today because I always liked Ann."
Well then shit, I'd hate to see what you have to say about people you DON'T like. :roll:
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On 2006-02-04 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-04 07:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Though perhaps a shitty thing to say,jimmy...If the shoe fits.. and this is Art
I have a "history " with this individual also. The details need not be discussed but i dont think that post was far of the truth at all. hope she is doing well today because I always liked Ann."
The "coke whore" statement was not me ! WOW what a fucked up place.
art
Well then shit, I'd hate to see what you have to say about people you DON'T like. :roll: "
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On 2006-02-04 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
If the shoe fits.. and this is Art
I have a "history " with this individual also. The details need not be discussed but i dont think that post was far of the truth at all.
The "coke whore" statement was not me ! WOW what a fucked up place.
art
No, you weren't the one who originally[/b] typed it but you sure did jump on it. I'd hate to see what you have to say about people you DON'T like. :roll:
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All right now ,let's not get our bags in a bunch.LOL Art wasn't slammin her,there's reason to speculate she used cocaine,and maybe even with Joe,I'm sure she didn't sell her body for it.Well, maybe she did who knows.Anyway If she was out doin lines at night and messin with teens during the day there is some twisted logic there for sure.
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Yes, agreed but Art just seems to flop around when it comes to these discussions. He's supposedly against Elan etc. but his head is WAY too far up AA's ass for my comfort level. He talks about Nazi/Reporter (and I agree with a lot of what he and others say in that regard) but Art is just as guilty.
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I am not playing this game with you
you have already read what i say about people i dont like ...
Go fuck with someone else
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On 2006-02-04 09:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am not playing this game with you
you have already read what i say about people i dont like ...
Go fuck with someone else"
Christ Art, I'm not fucking with you. Just stating my views. Sorry if that upsets you. :roll:
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Now why does AA bother you? Is someone making you go? I was forced to go to AA to get my license back.That reminded me of Elan in some ways.
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On 2006-02-04 09:37:00, xres8182 wrote:
"Now why does AA bother you? Is someone making you go? I was forced to go to AA to get my license back.That reminded me of Elan in some ways."
The whole culture of AA bothers me. The origins of it, the rigidity, the religion, the judgment, our way or no way, you'll DIE without us.....etc. etc. But then again, the entire "disease concept" of alcoholism bothers me too.
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On 2006-02-04 09:37:00, xres8182 wrote:
I was forced to go to AA to get my license back.
That SHOULD bother you. Being forced into a religious quasi-cult is unconstitutional.
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It did,now I don't go,now it doesn't.I don't think criticism of someones' personal decision to live their life their way justified.If it wasn't for AA it would have taken much longer to get my wheels back I'm sure,so for that I'm grateful.
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On 2006-02-04 09:55:00, xres8182 wrote:
"It did,now I don't go,now it doesn't.I don't think criticism of someones' personal decision to live their life their way justified.
When you're surrounded by AA nazis who are hell bent on "helping" you it gets a little difficult to stomach. Especially when it gets into a custody issue.
Its not just one person living their life their way. AA is an institution in this country (and creeping into others) that is regarded by the courts as the 'one and only'. If you reject AA and its principles and are caught up in the court system in ANY way, you're fucked.
If it wasn't for AA it would have taken much longer to get my wheels back I'm sure,so for that I'm grateful."
No. If it wasn't for the gov't forcing the issue you'd have gotten your wheels back sooner.
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I almost agree with you completely.If you get mixed up in the court system,you're screwed with or without AA.
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True, but its worse with AA being involved. Here's one example. My ex was convicted of DUI manslaughter, sentenced to 15 years but only served 2. Violated 3 times and was sent back for an additional 2. He was in and out of AA during that time. When he got out the last time he decided that I shouldn't drink either. Took me to court and even though he had actually killed someone, violated repeatedly and was sent back to prison HE was awarded custody simply for the fact that he was in AA[/b]. I had no record, no arrests...nothing. Because he and I were both in a treatment center when we were teens and he accused (and it was only an accusation) me of being an alcoholic, that automatically biased the judge and because the ex was in AA and I rejected it, I lost. Thank god only for a couple of weeks though. The ex soon re-violated and was sent back yet again. The judge decided then that I was fit enough to have them. Despite the fact that the ex's parents (at the suggestion of the ex's AA sponsor) continued the fight asking for them to be awarded custody.
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I am very sorry this happened to you and can understand your anger.The court system is so screwed up I don't even know where to start.How he could be awarded custody over the mother with that kind of record is beyond me,but I'm not surprised.Shit like that happens every day.Were you in Elan?
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Nah, different program.
Yeah, its sad but it happens so much more often that you would think. AA and the entire culture of the "help" industry really and truly destroys families. I realize that my opinions on this are obviously clouded by my experience, but I've seen virtually the same thing with many other people. Divorces and custody fights b/c some sponsor thinks the spouse isn't "good for" the sponsee, encouraging custody battles b/c the ex-spouse isn't in AA, advice to cut off family that doesn't agree with that particular brand of "treatment".
When I really started to do some looking into how AA was started and the mechanics behind it all it really pissed me off. It's all just so insidious.
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And Reporter.......for future reference, that's usually a quick way to get rid of Art if that's what you're after. Just start talking about AA, he doesn't like that and usually scoots on outta here. :grin:
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On 2006-02-04 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And Reporter.......for future reference, that's usually a quick way to get rid of Art if that's what you're after. Just start talking about AA, he doesn't like that and usually scoots on outta here. :grin: "
So saying the word (AA) has a magical effect on art nad makes him disappear? I wonder if the producer of the WB 11 series Charmed knows about this? Would make an interesting episode.
The sexy Charmed women meet The Artman, The Artman tortures his victums in the episode with his natural talent of inviteing people to pay a visit under his desk, until then comes the charmed women who say the magic words (AA), then "puff" Art disappears.
Interesting....
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I remember john ricci.What a litle fag wannna be
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no, mike