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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Heidi on February 02, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
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Alrighty, anyone interested in POSITIVE dialog concerning life, I have created a yahoo group, Life Inc, friends, in the relationships, friends section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83)
All who have nice intentions are welcome. No spam or abuse will be tolerated. This site already serves that function. The yahoo site is for lifers to revisit, have reunions and revitalise if possible from the stress of everyday life.
Thanks for any Interest, Heidi S.
formerely Heidi Moore, lifer form 83 to 84.
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On 2006-02-02 10:18:00, Heidi wrote:
"Alrighty, anyone interested in POSITIVE dialog concerning life, I have created a yahoo group, Life Inc, friends, in the relationships, friends section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83)
All who have nice intentions are welcome. No spam or abuse will be tolerated. This site already serves that function. The yahoo site is for lifers to revisit, have reunions and revitalise if possible from the stress of everyday life.
Thanks for any Interest, Heidi S.
formerely Heidi Moore, lifer form 83 to 84."
Well that's convenient: "Positive dialog only. " Were you on staff, Heidi? Because it sounds like you're still adhering to your first and foremost hidden rule - which is, "There shall be no questions asked".
I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to which I cannot subscribe.
--William Howard Taft, U.S. President
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Oh goody... we're still in group! Thank goodness, cuz I can't function as an individual
HEIL HEIDI
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actually no, not on staff, I was too quite for that. But like I said, you all do such a good job on the negative stuff here. I just don't want to be redundant thats all. Just trying to offer something different. If I thought some could be anything but abusive I would say just come on in. I can't help but notice, reading through all the posts, that anyone who does not slam life altogether gets slammed and abused. Thats just not my bag baby. :grin:
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Cool. Thanks.
And you're right. Leave the bitching and complaining to the ForNuts site.
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I can't comment on what happened after I stopped going in to groups. I have heard it did get bad. I have heard it was the same. I personally never saw anyone get tyed up in restraints. I did not say it was all roses either. All I am saying is some of try to look at things without bitterness.I have had much worse happen in my life than the program, I don't spend my days screaming about what was done to me, or what I lost. I am however sorry for people that were hurt so badly they can't seem to move forward, but seem stuck in that bad experience. How hard life must be. I was only hoping to offer a hand shake, a smile, a place to feel safe. I fully support ones right to free speech, but as I said earlier, if one disagrees here with the status quo, slam life, they get jumped. Kind of like getting confronted if you didn't say what every one else did huh? For the record I am only a little German American. Mostly Scot-Irish and Irish, but assume what you like if it makes you feel better.
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On 2006-02-02 12:57:00, Heidi wrote:
"I can't comment on what happened after I stopped going in to groups. I have heard it did get bad. I have heard it was the same. I personally never saw anyone get tyed up in restraints. I did not say it was all roses either. All I am saying is some of try to look at things without bitterness.I have had much worse happen in my life than the program, I don't spend my days screaming about what was done to me, or what I lost. I am however sorry for people that were hurt so badly they can't seem to move forward, but seem stuck in that bad experience. How hard life must be. I was only hoping to offer a hand shake, a smile, a place to feel safe. I fully support ones right to free speech, but as I said earlier, if one disagrees here with the status quo, slam life, they get jumped. Kind of like getting confronted if you didn't say what every one else did huh? For the record I am only a little German American. Mostly Scot-Irish and Irish, but assume what you like if it makes you feel better."
Heidi, Why are you assuming life is so hard for those who don't have anything nice to say about LIFE?Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.
Daniel Webster
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Well Heidi Heidi Ho!!! We got us a new website.
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well, again just going from my own experience, when Matthews step mommy beat him into a coma eveentually resulting in my son's death, I was so damn bitter, I made some of the people in here, (again going off of their posts I read) look like Mary friggin poppins. I hated! I lost faith in all of humanity, faith in any sort of higher power, I mean hell what kind of god would allow something like that happen to an innocent baby who couldn't possible have done anything to deserve to have his head kicked so hard the right side of his brain was moved into left by a whole centimeter!? I was also one of the most miserable people in the world. I still have anger issues, ten years later. I still feel a bit suspect of humanity in general. Thats the whole reason I carry a glock and a firearms permit to make it legal. But I have let most of the anger go. I can take clean breaths again. I smile, have fun and well, live. If one can be as bitter as some of these posts sound and not have a hard life, well you just go then, and more power to ya. But let me ask you this. I respect your right to feel pissed about life, can you respect my right not to? Or can some of the others in here in your opinion?
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Well, Heidi, I think maybe you just don't understand that this stuff is still going on. I'm glad to hear you're getting over that horrible tragedy. I've had my share of them too. Hell, 30 years of living almost always includes some of that.
But right now, as we speak, kids are being messed w/ in the same way by some of the same people. There's Growing Together in Lake Worth and SAFE in Orlando plus a couple of others scattered around the country under the Straight, Inc. line. Then there's an entire parallel industry that grew up out of CEDU, which was another Synanon spin off. Sometimes, at some locations, it's relatively benign (relative to Virgil Newton and Steve Cartisano) but, over and over, extremely adept megalomaniacs or particularly sadistic do gooders find their way into these groups and kids die or are driven nuts beyond what a couple of years of binging can help.
The only reason they get away with it is because people don't understand how it works. That's what this site is all about; bringing the unvarnished truth about the Program to light.
...to disarm the people (is) the best and most effective way to enslave them...
-- George Mason
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On some points I do know of what you speak. While on my later phases we had a good number of girls come in from straight with terrible stories. I however nerver saw anyone in restraints, forced to clean toilets with a tooth brush, hit, or abused in any way. Perhaps I should explain as folks don't know my experience. I was very intraverted, almost to the point of being backwards. I had been horribly picked on most of my entire school life. I was raised by gradparents, so I had target painted on me for being different, being poorer, and I made the cardinal mistake of going about like someone who is an easy target for bully's, nervous,ackward,overly quiet. So I did drugs in an attempt to be accepted and popular, but it backfired, just gave the jerks more reasons to pick at me and threaten to beat me up. So I never let anyone see me cry. Now, in life I was confronted. I hated it. But I soon realised they used that same peer pressure to shake me out of my shell. Now here is the part everyone seems to have a hard time with. I was rarely called on to talk. Be it about my past, the current, or my future hopes. I guess they figured it was not my thing, (still ins't, I shake like a leaf in a hurrincane when in front of an audiance). However I did go through 2 over nighters with Ms. Pete. In small groups, while I didn't bawl my head off, I could talk much better. Guess that was staff's why of seeing where I was at. I did learn to stop blaming others for my choices. I did learn how to look at a situation and think it through instead of just reacting to it. I did learn how to stick up for myself and stop being a target. I learned how to accept myself and not place all my value in what others saw when they looked at me. They told me I could do anything I put my mind to and had value for who I was. Did I still make mistakes? Sha! Going in the Army was one. Ft. Dix New Jersy in December was cold! That place made life look like a cake walk. I got hurt and sent home before I even finished basic! My first husband was a mistake. He would tell me I was stupid, and that no one else would want me. That and the physical violence I call abuse. I gave him 7 years and filed for divorce, finally, on my 7th wedding annaversary. (Vindictive me, nah)seemed appropriate somehow. Do I always apply what I learned, no. Did I do drugs again after life, yup. But I realised due to what I had learned I was just repeating old patterns that never got me anywhere and stopped. Geez, even now I make mistakes. I hate my house, bought while under construction. Should have listened to the husband and waited. But now I own my mistakes and do what I can to try to fix them. I also clean up after myself and if I have hurt others try to apologise and not only help them feel better, but not repeat actions that hurt them. I may not write m.i.s or say I just made ammends and step number whatever, but the basic ideas are there. Now, if these other places are still doing what straight did, close them. But should we stop trying to help kids who are doing drugs, confussed and not getting any help from their folks who are just as clueless? No one is born with an instruction book, we learn through what we experience. But untill people are shown a different way of doing things, a good deal just keep doing the same old stuff. Whould I like to save the world? Sure, if it meant I could live in a better place and didn't have to put up with others crap. I'm gonna tell it like it is. Most of us do stuff for our own reasons, not because we want to be Mother Teresa the second. But if you watch the news you see cops being arrested for child molestation. Shit is not limited to these programs. Recall the big Catholic preist scandals? Preists doing kids, geez, in an instution older than a lot of countries, the Catholic church! America is supposed to be the most powerful country in the world, yet we have homeless people wandering the streets, people that can't afford life saving medication, sadistic assholes teaching third grade. Sitting here bitching about how hard my past, that can't be changed was, ain't fixing didley. But I did offer what the bitchers swear they did not have, a choice, to go to an alternative site, one that encourages people to think and exchange ideas for fixing what sucks. I have yet to read one sentence about how to change these bad places into places where kids like I was at 16,-- not a hard core drug addict by any means, just a kid who needed to be taught a different way of doing things,something my folks did not know how to do because they were not shown -- into such a place as that. I did pick up some bad stuff from the program too. I cuss horribly, say fu-- way too much. Probably will the rest of omy life. Still detest public speaking, which may have started before the program, dunno, but having to talk there just stands out. And can we talk? I mean for those of you now parents of a teen, do they admit they are wrong or made a mistake. At that age we all thought we knew more than the adults, and were indestructable. Just wait till you are a parent of a teen. All parents I know have gloried in regaling me in tales of trying to raise a teen. I have been through a lot,much more than writing for a couple days here could began to cover, and I think if it were not for the program I would have given up years ago. But now, that strikes me as such a waste and I have a stubborn drive to keep going. Go figure. I'll climb down off my soapbox now. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say it!
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Well Heidi, yours sounds like a typical Program story. I made almost exactly the same mistakes. Didn't do the military or a whole lot of drugs, but just fell in aimlessly w/ some loser who treated me badly. Only spent about 2 years trying to straighten him out, and the last year of that only because I thought our daughter deserved whatever shot I could give her at growing up w/ a mom-n-dad happily married together.
The trouble w/ the Program is that it intentionally induces a level of emotional and intellectual dependence that leaves many graduates sitting ducks for predators when your feet hit the ground back out in the real world.
Most of us shake it off to some degree and get on with life. Many don't. I know the intention behind it is good. Hell, these people are my family of origin. I spent my Friday nights into the wee hours of Saturday mornings at open meeting at the Seed followed by the endless coffee klatch at Denney's from the time I was about six years old. I _know_ these people and the philosophy and the culture _intimately_. The trouble w/ it is that, even though the people who do this believe they're doing good, they're breaking things in their subjects that no one knows how to fix.
And that's the best case scenareo. Never mind what happens when some truely sadistic control freak gets ahold of one of these groups.
But here's the thing. If you're not into discussing the issue or helping to spread the word, then don't. But you don't have to be insulting about it. I think it's an important issue. And it is a tragic, ugly story that we're telling. That doesn't mean it's the sole focus of my life or that I'm somehow deranged for paying attention to it. It just means that this is something I think is worth doing. To each his own.
Oh, but if you really want to understand why it's so important, you could do worse than to check out that book I'm hawking in the prominent top banner of each page of this site. It is, by far, the best one written to date on the topic of the Troubled Parent industry.
Peace and good luck,What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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On 2006-02-03 09:04:00, Eudora wrote:
The trouble w/ it is that, even though the people who do this believe they're doing good, they're breaking things in their subjects that no one knows how to fix.
And that's the best case scenareo. Never mind what happens when some truely sadistic control freak gets ahold of one of these groups.
:nworthy: :tup: :tup:
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Until your post Eudora no one was willing to discuss, just cuss -- me for having a different opinion. I will check out your book as well and as I did state here I have learned some things I did not know before. My complant was with those not wanting to discuss and speak with reason, or even attempt to try to find viable solutions. In all honesty, I did a web search and wondered in here seeking information. I got it. Thanks again.
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Eh, it's a rough neighborhood. You just dropped into the middle of an ongoing argument.
Fresh beauty opens one's eyes wherever it is really seen, but the very abundance and completeness of the common beauty that besets our steps prevents its being absorbed and appreciated. It is a good thing, therefore, to make short excursions now and then to the bottom of the sea among dulse and coral, or up among the clouds on mountain-tops, or in balloons, or even to creep like worms into dark holes and caverns underground, not only to learn something of what is going on in those out-of-the-way places, but to see better what the sun sees on our return to common everyday beauty.
-- John Muir
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There's nothing wrong with having a positive feeling about the program and your time there. I certainly do.
To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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On 2006-02-03 15:26:00, xvipah wrote:
"There's nothing wrong with having a positive feeling about the program and your time there. I certainly do.
To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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As do I. That doesn't sit well with most posters here though. Oh well, such is life (no pun intended)
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On 2006-02-04 08:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-03 15:26:00, xvipah wrote:
"There's nothing wrong with having a positive feeling about the program and your time there. I certainly do.
To err is human; to forgive is simply not our policy.
-- MIT Assasination Club slogan
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As do I. That doesn't sit well with most posters here though. Oh well, such is life (no pun intended)"
Most posters here understand the origins of that sick place and the kinds of damage that it did to many, many kids as does the NMHA. That doesn't seem to sit well with the devotees.
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This is so amazing. I just read through several posts on this website. I was in Life in 1985 and went through, graduated and made some good changes within myself. I have mostly funny memories of my time there, and would love to find others who feel the same way.
Are people 15 and 20 years later really stuck in a crappy attitude and mad at their parents about going there? That is a riot.
I will check into the new Yahoo group. Thanks Heidi.
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On 2006-02-04 10:02:00, KillJoy wrote:
" This is so amazing. I just read through several posts on this website. I was in Life in 1985 and went through, graduated and made some good changes within myself. I have mostly funny memories of my time there, and would love to find others who feel the same way.
Are people 15 and 20 years later really stuck in a crappy attitude and mad at their parents about going there? That is a riot.
I will check into the new Yahoo group. Thanks Heidi."
Yeah, don't you know? All of us who have nothing good to say about the program are all jobless, loveless and living in squalor. All we do is sit around and ruminate.
Yes, indeed... being a dissident on Fornits is my full time job. I get up at 4am and begin my rants, and I don't quit until I pass out in a stupor in my parent's basement.
However, I have this breathtaking bridge for sale in the Mojave Desert, and some prime property in the Everglades. Make me an offer quick so I can afford another bottle of Mad Dog.
:roll:The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language.
-- D. E. Knuth, 1967
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On 2006-02-04 10:21:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
Yeah, don't you know? All of us who have nothing good to say about the program are all jobless, loveless and living in squalor. All we do is sit around and ruminate.
Yes, indeed... being a dissident on Fornits is my full time job. I get up at 4am and begin my rants, and I don't quit until I pass out in a stupor in my parent's basement.
However, I have this breathtaking bridge for sale in the Mojave Desert, and some prime property in the Everglades. Make me an offer quick so I can afford another bottle of Mad Dog.
:rofl: :lol:
Heidi, most of us are pissed about the fact that sick little cults like LIFE continue to this day and kids continue to be abused at those places. LIFE came right out of Straight, as did KIDS, Growing Together, etc. I can think of 3 people off the top of my head that were in LIFE at the same time you were and they paint a very different picture than you do.
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So I am learning, well at least about these other programs, some of which I had until lately not heard of. I honestly did not expect everyone to recall Life with glee. I had a bad experience myself as posted here on another board. But it was over good for me, and thats all I was saying. Everyone has a right to feel and to vocalise those feelings. If there are now places hurting people, as I said also, close them, but lets not leave folks with no solutions for help, if they want it. I wanted it. I came back from California to go in Life. Once I got in there I was shell shocked for the first couple weeks, but I wanted to do something positive with my life and can only hope I did. Thank you for your imput, as I do continue to learn things.
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On 2006-02-04 10:21:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Yeah, don't you know? All of us who have nothing good to say about the program are all jobless, loveless and living in squalor. All we do is sit around and ruminate."
Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm starting to think that the only way to become well-adjusted is to hop on the Torture Advocacy bandwagon.
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On 2006-02-04 12:01:00, Heidi wrote:
"So I am learning, well at least about these other programs, some of which I had until lately not heard of. I honestly did not expect everyone to recall Life with glee. I had a bad experience myself as posted here on another board. But it was over good for me, and thats all I was saying. Everyone has a right to feel and to vocalise those feelings. If there are now places hurting people, as I said also, close them, but lets not leave folks with no solutions for help, if they want it. I wanted it. I came back from California to go in Life. Once I got in there I was shell shocked for the first couple weeks, but I wanted to do something positive with my life and can only hope I did. Thank you for your imput, as I do continue to learn things."
Ok, Heidi... I don't know where you're going. You're all over the map. First you come at us with "Here's my yahoo group, and I'm gonna kill ANY negative response", then you say that you also posted something less than a glowing review. I can understand mixed feelings, but up until now, you seemed to be carrying a torch for the program.
And check your PMs.
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#170123 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13778&forum=22&start=0#170123)
Our country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experimanet, noble in motive and far-reaching in purpose. [The Eighteenth Amendment, enacting Prohibition.]
Letter to Senator W.H. Borah
--Herbert Hoover (Feb 28, 1928)
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I thought all the Striaght programs had been closed back in the 80's and did not know of any other programs coming from them. I also had posted a reply to another topic and had a less than ideal reception. Hence my reaction. I also did not think any one who had a negative outlook to Life would be interested in joining another group that differed from one consistent with their opinions, or even care if there was another group. Lets be honest too, after the way people have been treated who did not have a bad experience at Life here, unless I offered a net as it were, for a site intended to be a resting place to recconect with folks, what is to stop them from figuring, "why bother I will get sniped there too".
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On 2006-02-04 13:59:00, Heidi wrote:
"I thought all the Striaght programs had been closed back in the 80's and did not know of any other programs coming from them. I also had posted a reply to another topic and had a less than ideal reception. Hence my reaction. I also did not think any one who had a negative outlook to Life would be interested in joining another group that differed from one consistent with their opinions, or even care if there was another group. Lets be honest too, after the way people have been treated who did not have a bad experience at Life here, unless I offered a net as it were, for a site intended to be a resting place to recconect with folks, what is to stop them from figuring, "why bother I will get sniped there too"."
Free speech is all about people voicing differing opinions. That's why this board is unmoderated.
And nobody's jumping on anybody for having a good experience in any program. The thing that burnns most of us up is the fact that some people seem to just ignore the bad that did go on, as a regular accepted part of the Program. You most certainly saw and experienced at least some of these things as well, I'm sure.
I was there in '87, and things like beltlooping, restraining, humiliation, being watched by others during every waking moment, being locked up against one's will with no legal proceedings whatsoever... all this stuff was going on and it was the same program.
The idea of having a forum that is totally void of any differing opinions from yours is a little fascist, don't you think?
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On 2006-02-02 12:46:00, Heidi wrote:
I can't help but notice, reading through all the posts, that anyone who does not slam life altogether gets slammed and abused. Thats just not my bag baby. :grin: "
Thats funny,because every time I post something here the usual reply is that L.I.F.E. was nothing more than "Straight Lite".
I saw nothing but horrid abuses in L.I.F.E. and the host homes,and denial of medical attention,and un nutritional food.
Get fucked Heidi,and go somewhere else to hawk your new "group".
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The LIFE Yahoo group is slowly growing. Glad I found it as this Fornits shit gets old real fast.
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On 2006-02-12 02:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
Thats funny,because every time I post something here the usual reply is that L.I.F.E. was nothing more than "Straight Lite".
Not true. It happens every once in a while but that's only because people know it pisses you off.
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On 2006-02-12 02:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-02 12:46:00, Heidi wrote:
I can't help but notice, reading through all the posts, that anyone who does not slam life altogether gets slammed and abused. Thats just not my bag baby. :grin: "
Thats funny,because every time I post something here the usual reply is that L.I.F.E. was nothing more than "Straight Lite".
I saw nothing but horrid abuses in L.I.F.E. and the host homes,and denial of medical attention,and un nutritional food.
Get fucked Heidi,and go somewhere else to hawk your new "group"."
Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us? (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)
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On 2006-02-12 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us? (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)"
Screaming in a kid's face telling them they're a loser, whore, slut, fag, will never make anything out of himself w/o LIFE.
Poking and prodding a kid to sit up straight. Jamming knuckles into the back to achieve this and when the kid reacts, he's swiftly and severely punished.
Forced confessions of sins to prove that the kid was out of control and heading towards death, jail or mental hospital w/o LIFE. Said confessions later used against the kid.
Having diets severely restricted as punishment.
Overwhelming sleep deprivation to the point of becoming non-functional.
Complete loss of ALL privacy and rights.
Being humiliated on a daily basis.
Need I go on?
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On 2006-02-12 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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The LIFE Yahoo group is slowly growing.
Seriously? I only see four posts. :rofl:
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On 2006-02-12 07:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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The LIFE Yahoo group is slowly growing. Glad I found it as this Fornits shit gets old real fast."
Yeah, I can see how it gets old - you only want to hear warm, fuzzy nostalgia. Anything other than that is an automatic dismissal (hmmmm, that sounds familar...)
Your stonewalling of any other opinion is classic - in order to validate your opinion, you refuse any other. You don't prove your point, you don't provide any evidence that LIFE was successful, other than a personal anecdote. That, and the fact that you have buddies from the program.
If I told you that munching on cactus flowers and blowfish toxin glands "worked for me", worked for all my friends here, too", would you buy that as a treatment modality? If I opened a center for such treatment, would you sign up yourself, or admit your "Troubled teen" - based on my testimony alone - when there's plenty of research out there that offers evidence that blowfish toxin will kill you?
Sounds crazy, does it? Let me know what you find when you google "synanon" and "Straight Inc." Go to the factual research site of Rick Ross and Arnold Trebach. Do research on what delineates "cults" from the mainstream, and tell me how LIFE/Straight/Step/Growing Together, ad nauseum are different.
Time is running out. The Indians' botanical knowledge is disappearing even faster than the plants themselves.
--Richard Schultes, Harvard University educator, authority on medicinal plants
[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2006-02-12 13:53 ]
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Helen Petermann, who founded LIFE with George Ross back in 80/81, came from Straight St. Pete, which was directed by this guy: http://fornits.com/anonanon/articles/20 ... 320-10.htm (http://fornits.com/anonanon/articles/200003/20000320-10.htm)
Now here's my anecdote: I had never heard of the Clinical Psychologist, Gregory DeClue until I pinned my mother down to an explanation in 2004... exactly 20 years later. Now why is that? I'd never heard of the man, much less seen the guy that was no doubt signing his name to my paperwork as well as others he had never seen.
Ironically, this guy now works with the Sarasota PD and other law enforcement agencies. He's written several scholarly articles on "Forced Confessions". He also refuses to answer personal correspondence. Wonder why?To be an atheist requires strength of mind and goodness of heart found in not one of a thousand.
--Samuel Taylor Coleridge, English poet, critic, journalist, philosopher
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Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted.
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On 2006-02-12 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted."
So, how many "friends" are reconnecting there? Either no one wants to join or you guys are turning down everyone who doesn't subscribe to your view of LIFE which appears to be just about everyone cuz there ain't nobody there.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-02-12 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted."
That makes no sense. Anybody can read the messages. You just can't post without it going thru Heidi first. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heidi83/)
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So basically this is a "hey lets all drink koolaid and talk about how lovely the hazy memories of being beltlooped, humiliated and having 18 hour raps were, but no whiners allowed", right?
:lol: Time's fun when you're having flies.
--Kermit the Frog
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On 2006-02-12 18:18:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"So basically this is a "hey lets all drink koolaid and talk about how lovely the hazy memories of being beltlooped, humiliated and having 18 hour raps were, but no whiners allowed", right?
:lol: "
Or "let's manufacture some sterilized propaganda, and post it on the web, so everybody can see what a great program it was".
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On 2006-02-12 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted."
What? You didn't have my email address? ROFLMAO!
And yes, actually, there are people I'd like to catch up with. Guess I'm denied because you and Wendy a/k/a Alan are not among them?
Yeah, what TimeBomb said... the posts are right out there, babe. Would you like to try another excuse?
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That was me, forgetting to log in. You'd think since I've devoted my life to reporting to this board, I'd GET IT by now! :rofl:
As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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On 2006-02-12 18:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"That was me, forgetting to log in. You'd think since I've devoted my life to reporting to this board, I'd GET IT by now! :smile: :wave:
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On 2006-02-12 18:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"That was me, forgetting to log in. You'd think since I've devoted my life to reporting to this board, I'd GET IT by now! :rofl:
So, is there a point to your 21st century attempt at "public shaming", or is this just a residual behavior from your old LIFE days?Guard with jealous attention the public Liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that Jewel. Unfortunately, Nothing will Preserve it but downright Force. Whenever you Give Up that Force, you are ruined.....The Great Object is that every man be armed.....Everyone who is able may have a gun.
- Patrick Henry
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On 2006-02-12 18:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"That was me, forgetting to log in. You'd think since I've devoted my life to reporting to this board, I'd GET IT by now! :rofl: As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
"
Actually Helena, you don't get much of NOTHIN' you homely scag. No surprise though.
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Actually Helena, you don't get much of NOTHIN' you homely scag. No surprise though."
Shows what you know! :rofl:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination.
James Lloyd
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On 2006-02-04 10:02:00, KillJoy wrote:
I was in Life in 1985 and went through, graduated and made some good changes within myself. I have mostly funny memories of my time there, and would love to find others who feel the same way.
Are people 15 and 20 years later really stuck in a crappy attitude and mad at their parents about going there?
L.I.F.E. was operating for several years.I was there for the Grand Opening.L.I.F.E. was very abusive then and the host families also could be abusive.Maybe in the later years (I dont know,I wasnt there)it could have been softened a bit,so many people over the years could have been having different experiences.In the begining L.I.F.E. was comprised of Ex-Straight people.
15 and 20 years later WE may be doing just fine,but when we read and participate here we re-live our bad experience and NOW can write our true feelings about what was done to us.
I say L.I.F.E. was a horrid place with beatings,torture,food and medicine depravation,and mind games.
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On 2006-02-12 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-12 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us? (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)"
Screaming in a kid's face telling them they're a loser, whore, slut, fag, will never make anything out of himself w/o LIFE.
Poking and prodding a kid to sit up straight. Jamming knuckles into the back to achieve this and when the kid reacts, he's swiftly and severely punished.
Forced confessions of sins to prove that the kid was out of control and heading towards death, jail or mental hospital w/o LIFE. Said confessions later used against the kid.
Having diets severely restricted as punishment.
Overwhelming sleep deprivation to the point of becoming non-functional.
Complete loss of ALL privacy and rights.
Being humiliated on a daily basis.
Need I go on?
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Could not have said it better myself!
(Don't forget to tell about the 14/15 year old boys being physically tortured and bullied by the bigger and stronger alcoholic 19/20 year old men in group and oldcommer homes.)
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On 2006-02-12 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-12 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-02-12 07:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Want to DEFINE "horrid abuse" for us? (without making things up or exaggerating ecessively)"
Screaming in a kid's face telling them they're a loser, whore, slut, fag, will never make anything out of himself w/o LIFE.
Poking and prodding a kid to sit up straight. Jamming knuckles into the back to achieve this and when the kid reacts, he's swiftly and severely punished.
Forced confessions of sins to prove that the kid was out of control and heading towards death, jail or mental hospital w/o LIFE. Said confessions later used against the kid.
Having diets severely restricted as punishment.
Overwhelming sleep deprivation to the point of becoming non-functional.
Complete loss of ALL privacy and rights.
Being humiliated on a daily basis.
Need I go on?
"
Could not have said it better myself!
(Don't forget to tell about the 14/15 year old boys being physically tortured and bullied by the bigger and stronger alcoholic 19/20 year old men in group and oldcommer homes.)"
I doubt it.
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Welcome Heidi...joined your board..talk soon.
D.
:wave:
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I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.
Daniel Webster
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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:
"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.
Daniel Webster
"
Good point and question. Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?
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I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.
Good point and question. Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"
I don't get it either. Sure, remember the good times, but when you only want to remember "good times", deny any bad times, then refuse to allow any dissidence whatsoever in the absence of personal attack, then, that's a as indisidious of the program itself. It's almost like a VH-1-esque, "where are they now" cyber-rap session, and it's pathetic.
Think I'm kidding?
I responded to Heidi's board, in a neutral tone - never been verbally abusive to Heidi or anyone involved - unless they were abusive previously, then, I retaliated accordingly.
The response I got at first was a stock denial after sending a request with my intentions - which were to talk logically, but I don't agree that LIFE was a great place. I requested an explanation if they chose not to allow me access.
On top of the Yahoo stock "You've been denied" email, this was posted here on Fornits:
Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted.
found at http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =41#172714 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13766&forum=13&start=41#172714)
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You can read forward and see where the intellectual conversation went from there.
This morning, Heidi herself sent me this email:
Sara;
I believe the reason the other moderator denied
you is because you did
not give us enough information. This group requires
us to verify your
participation in the Life program, to not only
protect the other members
from peolr pretending to be lifers, and this is of
course the whole point of
the site, for lifers. Perhaps if you resubmit with your full name and the
dates you were in Life we could be more
accomadating. You would not have to
use your real name however at the site. We still
practice and respect the
confidentuality rule.
Regards, Heidi
So I responded:
This doesn't sound very genuous to me Heidi,
especially since your co-mod posted the following to
Fornits:
Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE
board is because you have no business there. You
aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends,
and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts
and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted.
The link:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =38#172714 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13766&forum=13&start=38#172714)
You'll also find a sandbox-grade personal attack in
the same thread.
And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have
heard from others that one of the posters to your
board has used real first and names on Fornits. Two
of the people that she called by name no longer post,
or they do so anonymously. Those are the facts, if
you want to dismiss them, that's your call.
I really have nothing to say to anyone in your group.
But I do find it interesting that you and/or your
co-mod won't allow differing opinions. Reminds me of
Hussein's Iraq.
Good Day,
Sara
Boom! I get home and hear that Heidi's board is locked up tight (i.e.: posted messages aren't viewable unless you've been deemed worthy).
Heidi-babe, did you want to be on staff that badly? Twenty years after the fact is a little tooooooooo late to show your stones as a good little Junior Staffer.
Get over it!The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.
--Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958
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[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2006-02-13 18:46 ][ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2006-02-13 18:47 ]
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On 2006-02-13 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:
"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.
Good point and question. Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"
My biggest beef was that they were making their messages public without letting anyone post unless they agreed. That no longer seems to be the case, so let them have their little love fest.
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Ok, fair enough. Like I said, was just a question. :smile:
There is nothing on earth intended for innocent people so horrible as a school. To begin with, it is a prison. But it is in some respects more cruel than a prison. In a prison, for instance, you are not forced to read books written by the wardens...School was to me a sentence of penal servitude.
--George Bernard Shaw
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On 2006-02-13 12:21:00, xvipah wrote:
"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic
for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has
happened once in 6000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to
the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail,
there will be anarchy throughout the world.
Daniel Webster
"
Because only an IDIOT would come here to hawk such a messageboard.Give it a look,its for someone who LOVED the program.
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I believe the reason the other moderator denied
you is because you did
not give us enough information. This group requires
us to verify your
participation in the Life program,
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Verify?
Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?
I was not in L.I.F.E. at the same time,so it is not possible for me to be "remembered".
How can this person "verify" my participation in L.I.F.E.?
I CAN NOT EVEN GET A PIECE OF PAPER TO VERIFY THAT I WAS IN L.I.F.E.!!!!!!
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Verify?
Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?
I was not in L.I.F.E. at the same time,so it is not possible for me to be "remembered".
How can this person "verify" my participation in L.I.F.E.?
I CAN NOT EVEN GET A PIECE OF PAPER TO VERIFY THAT I WAS IN L.I.F.E.!!!!!!"
Another good point. How are you guys doing this? Or are you just running a popularity contest?This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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On 2006-02-13 18:41:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"I don't understand what the big deal is exactly?
Fornits is here for people to meet/talk/reminisce/balls out flame/whatever else they want about the program(s) in question. It's a site pretty much dedicated to the bad side of the "cult" behavior of these programs.
If someone wants to remember the good, or feels as if the program was good to them, why is that a crime that you guys feel you haveta attack them constantly?
I mean, I don't care either way, just a question that popped in my head as I read this thread.
Good point and question. Think anyone will have an intelligent reply?"
I don't get it either. Sure, remember the good times, but when you only want to remember "good times", deny any bad times, then refuse to allow any dissidence whatsoever in the absence of personal attack, then, that's a as indisidious of the program itself. It's almost like a VH-1-esque, "where are they now" cyber-rap session, and it's pathetic.
Think I'm kidding?
I responded to Heidi's board, in a neutral tone - never been verbally abusive to Heidi or anyone involved - unless they were abusive previously, then, I retaliated accordingly.
The response I got at first was a stock denial after sending a request with my intentions - which were to talk logically, but I don't agree that LIFE was a great place. I requested an explanation if they chose not to allow me access.
On top of the Yahoo stock "You've been denied" email, this was posted here on Fornits:
Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE board is because you have no business there. You aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends, and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted.
found at http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =41#172714 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13766&forum=13&start=41#172714)
.
You can read forward and see where the intellectual conversation went from there.
This morning, Heidi herself sent me this email:
Sara;
I believe the reason the other moderator denied
you is because you did
not give us enough information. This group requires
us to verify your
participation in the Life program, to not only
protect the other members
from peolr pretending to be lifers, and this is of
course the whole point of
the site, for lifers. Perhaps if you resubmit with your full name and the
dates you were in Life we could be more
accomadating. You would not have to
use your real name however at the site. We still
practice and respect the
confidentuality rule.
Regards, Heidi
So I responded:
This doesn't sound very genuous to me Heidi,
especially since your co-mod posted the following to
Fornits:
Sara
The reason you were denied membership to the LIFE
board is because you have no business there. You
aren't wanting to be there to chat with old friends,
and reconnect. Probably just wanted to read the posts
and come back to this board to report.
There's the explaination you wanted.
The link:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =38#172714 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13766&forum=13&start=38#172714)
You'll also find a sandbox-grade personal attack in
the same thread.
And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have
heard from others that one of the posters to your
board has used real first and names on Fornits. Two
of the people that she called by name no longer post,
or they do so anonymously. Those are the facts, if
you want to dismiss them, that's your call.
I really have nothing to say to anyone in your group.
But I do find it interesting that you and/or your
co-mod won't allow differing opinions. Reminds me of
Hussein's Iraq.
Good Day,
Sara
Boom! I get home and hear that Heidi's board is locked up tight (i.e.: posted messages aren't viewable unless you've been deemed worthy).
Heidi-babe, did you want to be on staff that badly? Twenty years after the fact is a little tooooooooo late to show your stones as a good little Junior Staffer.
Get over it!The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective.
--Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958
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[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2006-02-13 18:46 ][ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2006-02-13 18:47 ]"
Man, this is a big deal to you, huh Helena? Are you that upset that you couldn't get in? At least you're welcome here.
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I can't speak for her, but personally I find it comical that you guys obviously felt the need to disallow people to even READ what you've written. (All FOUR posts :rofl:
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Man, this is a big deal to you, huh Helena? Are you that upset that you couldn't get in? At least you're welcome here."
Nah, it's just interesting... like a sideshow or a medical curiosity. The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the Prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.
--Albert Einstein, My First Impression of the U.S.A., 1921
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On 2006-02-13 22:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?"
Maybe they're using the records that Petermann is rumored to have in her posession.
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On 2006-02-14 18:39:00, TimeBomb wrote:
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On 2006-02-13 22:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?"
Maybe they're using the records that Petermann is rumored to have in her posession."
I was told that all the records were shredded in the early 90s when Venice Hospital took over.
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On 2006-02-15 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-14 18:39:00, TimeBomb wrote:
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On 2006-02-13 22:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?"
Maybe they're using the records that Petermann is rumored to have in her posession."
I was told that all the records were shredded in the early 90s when Venice Hospital took over. "
Yea?Well!
Ive been told a lot of stuff!
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On 2006-02-15 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-14 18:39:00, TimeBomb wrote:
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On 2006-02-13 22:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does this person have a "master list" of ALL the people in L.I.F.E. for all of the years it was operating?"
Maybe they're using the records that Petermann is rumored to have in her posession."
I was told that all the records were shredded in the early 90s when Venice Hospital took over. "
WHO told you that?
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Boy, the LIFE Yahoo Group moderators sure got quiet. It's funny how they can't answer a straightforward question.... like "Can you explain your verification process?"
I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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On 2006-02-15 05:20:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Boy, the LIFE Yahoo Group moderators sure got quiet. It's funny how they can't answer a straightforward question.... like "Can you explain your verification process?"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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And you sure logged on quickly,after making your anon post,when you realised somebody was in here with you!
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On 2006-02-15 05:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-15 05:20:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Boy, the LIFE Yahoo Group moderators sure got quiet. It's funny how they can't answer a straightforward question.... like "Can you explain your verification process?"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
"
And you sure logged on quickly,after making your anon post,when you realised somebody was in here with you!"
Um... no. I just happened to post that. Why don't you ask the admin to prove it to you?Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves
--Ronald Reagan
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I was told that all the records were shredded in the early 90s when Venice Hospital took over. "
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WHO told you that?"
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When I called to get my immunization out of my file in 1990, staff told me that they couldn't find my file but would look for it and when I spoke to that same person about it later on, he said that the file had been shredded.
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Oh my God! You people are a hoot. SO paranoid. Like they care what?s in your non-existent files. Maybe they are just trying to protect the members identity?s from delusional idiots. I especially find the fact that Helena thought she was so slick, DUH girl, they knew it was you, your style of posting is like a signature. That?s what probably gave you away. I got that much figured out on my own. They are probably going off an old reunion list of something. Jesus, you people are not only ugly with your negative nicknames/posts, your like, totally suspicious too. No wonder no one wants you on their site.
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On 2006-02-15 10:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh my God! You people are a hoot. SO paranoid. Like they care what?s in your non-existent files. Maybe they are just trying to protect the members identity?s from delusional idiots. I especially find the fact that Helena thought she was so slick, DUH girl, they knew it was you, your style of posting is like a signature. That?s what probably gave you away. I got that much figured out on my own. They are probably going off an old reunion list of something. Jesus, you people are not only ugly with your negative nicknames/posts, your like, totally suspicious too. No wonder no one wants you on their site."
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On 2006-02-15 11:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-15 10:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh my God! You people are a hoot. SO paranoid. Like they care what?s in your non-existent files. Maybe they are just trying to protect the members identity?s from delusional idiots. I especially find the fact that Helena thought she was so slick, DUH girl, they knew it was you, your style of posting is like a signature. That?s what probably gave you away. I got that much figured out on my own. They are probably going off an old reunion list of something. Jesus, you people are not only ugly with your negative nicknames/posts, your like, totally suspicious too. No wonder no one wants you on their site."
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Sorry I clicked say to soon. I don't care what is in the folder. I just commented on it being shredded. I needed my immunization when I started college. I got bit in the program and got a tetanus shot and didn't want to get another one unless I needed it. So what is the big deal about inquiring about my file with my medical history in it?
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On 2006-02-15 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sorry I clicked say to soon. I don't care what is in the folder. I just commented on it being shredded. I needed my immunization when I started college. I got bit in the program and got a tetanus shot and didn't want to get another one unless I needed it. So what is the big deal about inquiring about my file with my medical history in it?"
Shredded = Scanned in to Petermann's computer :grin:
Um... bit?
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Enough already! Just suck it up and drive on! Let the happy campers have their yahoo site and the rest of us can piss whine and moan in peace. I wouldn?t tell a woman crazy or brave enough to use her real name and claims to carry a handgun to fuck off though. She did say that in a post somewhere. Just a thought. New Topic?Please.
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What exactly is so "crazy" and/or "brave" about using your real name?
Faith is believing something you know ain't true.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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On 2006-02-15 10:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh my God! You people are a hoot. SO paranoid. Like they care what?s in your non-existent files. Maybe they are just trying to protect the members identity?s from delusional idiots. I especially find the fact that Helena thought she was so slick, DUH girl, they knew it was you, your style of posting is like a signature. That?s what probably gave you away. I got that much figured out on my own. They are probably going off an old reunion list of something. Jesus, you people are not only ugly with your negative nicknames/posts, your like, totally suspicious too. No wonder no one wants you on their site."
Who's suspicious? You're claiming I posted something that I did not.
Look at you! So proud of yourself because you think you caught me at something!
Yep, this one needs help folks - exhibiting Staffie Behavior! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
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On 2006-02-15 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Enough already! Just suck it up and drive on! Let the happy campers have their yahoo site and the rest of us can piss whine and moan in peace. I wouldn?t tell a woman crazy or brave enough to use her real name and claims to carry a handgun to fuck off though. She did say that in a post somewhere. Just a thought. New Topic?Please.
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Well there's really nothing to suck up on my part - I could personally give a shit if I was given carte blanche to "The Group"... But like the rest, I question how they're "verifying" each member.
And I've been known to carry a handgun myself :grin:Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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On 2006-02-15 13:30:00, xvipah wrote:
"What exactly is so "crazy" and/or "brave" about using your real name?"
Good question. :smile:
Note to assassins: Aim for the head. And make damn sure you sneak up on me.
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On 2006-02-15 14:15:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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On 2006-02-15 11:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Enough already! Just suck it up and drive on! Let the happy campers have their yahoo site and the rest of us can piss whine and moan in peace. I wouldn?t tell a woman crazy or brave enough to use her real name and claims to carry a handgun to fuck off though. She did say that in a post somewhere. Just a thought. New Topic?Please.
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Well there's really nothing to suck up on my part - I could personally give a shit if I was given carte blanche to "The Group"... But like the rest, I question how they're "verifying" each member.
And I've been known to carry a handgun myself :grin:Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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Thats what Im saying.HOW can Heidi "verify" us?Does she have the L.I.F.E. victims "master list" of names?The place was open for several years,must be pages and pages of names.
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I misread this yesterday:
I especially find the fact that Helena thought she was so slick, DUH girl, they knew it was you, your style of posting is like a signature.
Not so much misread it, but having already been accused of posting something that I hadn't, so I thought you were talking about the same thing.
So the real fear is that I was trying to sneak into "their group"? (I though only the moderators and Darren post here) :rofl: :rofl:
Get a GRIP! My email address as well my Yahoo ID are posted with every post in the little icons underneath. Go ahead, click 'em, Detective Genius - you might solve a great mystery.
When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
--Lily Tomlin, American actress
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And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have
heard from others that one of the posters to your
board has used real first and names on Fornits.
I used first names on here...a few times...sorry...my bad...i will never ever ever ever do that again, I swear!
Sincerely,
Darren
oops!!
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On 2006-02-17 18:34:00, dbucfan wrote:
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And as far as confidentiality goes, I've seen and have
heard from others that one of the posters to your
board has used real first and names on Fornits.
I used first names on here...a few times...sorry...my bad...i will never ever ever ever do that again, I swear!
Sincerely,
Darren
oops!!
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Well my bad - that was supposed to be "first and last names".
Thanks for bumping that back up, Darren.... oops :grin:The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing; 3.feeding; and 4. mating.
-- Psychology professor in neuropsychology intro course
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Well that?s o.k. Helena. We realize you think it is ?all about you? by the way you pick apart each and every post as if it was personally directed at you, even if it was not. We have grown used to your self fixation so keep up the good work; it gives us all something to laugh about. ?There goes Helena again?.
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On 2006-03-31 08:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well that?s o.k. Helena. We realize you think it is ?all about you? by the way you pick apart each and every post as if it was personally directed at you, even if it was not. We have grown used to your self fixation so keep up the good work; it gives us all something to laugh about. ?There goes Helena again?. "
Really now? Seems some people are fixated with my self-fixation. Now what do you call that?Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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I have an oral fixation...
Does that count? :wink:
Oh yea, and I've used my first and last name, who cares?There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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On 2006-04-01 06:20:00, xvipah wrote:
"I have an oral fixation...
Does that count? :wink:
Oh yea, and I've used my first and last name, who cares?There lives more faith, in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds.
Alfred Lord Tennyson
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LOL xvipah = funny. Helena = narcissistic and trite. (pick THAT post apart baby)
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LOL xvipah = funny. Helena = narcissistic and trite. (pick THAT post apart baby)"
Well, it seems my attitude is your problem!...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..
--Samuel Adams
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On 2006-04-01 18:06:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Well, it seems my attitude is your problem!"
Oh, so you're a narcissist AND a plagiarist. :wink:
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On 2006-04-02 03:46:00, TimeBomb wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 18:06:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Well, it seems my attitude is your problem!"
Oh, so you're a narcissist AND a plagiarist. :grin:I know that our bodies were made to thrive only in pure air, and the scenes in which pure air is found.
-- John Muir
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Well, put. Have you ever considered writing a book of your own, especially since you grew up in the industry? I think it would be facinating. Keep up the good work.
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On 2006-04-16 01:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, put. Have you ever considered writing a book of your own, especially since you grew up in the industry? I think it would be facinating. Keep up the good work."
Who are you addressing? Just thought I would ask, seeing how there are some who view participating in any conversation earns the title of "narcissist" around here.
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
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On 2006-04-16 17:47:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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On 2006-04-16 01:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, put. Have you ever considered writing a book of your own, especially since you grew up in the industry? I think it would be facinating. Keep up the good work."
Who are you addressing? Just thought I would ask, seeing how there are some who view participating in any conversation earns the title of "narcissist" around here.
Is uniformity [of opinion] attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
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Maybe "druggie whore" fits you better?
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mmmmm
Druggie whores....If you believe that people cannot be trusted to govern themselves,
then can they be trusted to govern others?
--Thomas Jefferson
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Maybe "druggie whore" fits you better?"
mmmmm
Druggie whores....
So many fantasizing, so little time :rofl: Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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On 2006-04-20 20:35:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:
"go check my public gulag thread I gave you some eye candy for you to drool over helena. Moralizing, with the force of law or coercion, is a
far greater crime against the constitutional principles of our nation than unauthorized euphoria, regardless of the substance involved, be it chocolate or heroin.
--James
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Thanks, TSW... when I come to, and am able to mop my chin from result of IRS Shock, I'll be certain to give it a look. :grin:If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin