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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Troll Control on February 02, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
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I'm looking for anyone who has undergone a psychiatric evaluation at HLA.
What tests were performed? By whom? What were the results?
Thanks.
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Nope.
None. No one. Nothing.
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Hey,
Whadda ya call a traditional boarding school that conducts psychiatric evaluations?
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On 2006-02-02 19:25:00, Deborah wrote:
"Hey,
Whadda ya call a traditional boarding school that conducts psychiatric evaluations? "
An RTC.
Isn't it against ORS regulations for a boarding school to provide treatment plans? I'm pretty sure it is, but if anyone can cite the regulation, it would be helpful.
Also, if "Truth" is going to say "We do evaluations, not treatment plans," then my question is what good is testing without a plan to address what the testing reveals? Or do you just ignore the results?
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On 2006-02-02 19:25:00, Deborah wrote:
"Hey,
Whadda ya call a traditional boarding school that conducts psychiatric evaluations? "
A place that knows with a dual diagnosis that they will make more money. :wave: If life were fair, Dan Quayle would be making a living asking 'Do you want fries with that?'
John Cleese
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HLA does testing and has treatment plans. Again, I am not saying it has always been this way. I am telling you how it is now.
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On 2006-02-03 05:45:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"HLA does testing and has treatment plans. Again, I am not saying it has always been this way. I am telling you how it is now."
How do you reconcile providing treatment plans with being a "traditional boarding school"? Georgia ORS prohibits traditional boarding schools from providing treatment plans.
I guess it's time to fire off another letter and make a few calls. Apparently, these folks have been holding out to ORS that they don't provide treatment plans, but do provide IEP's. It looks like they got it backwards.
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Who is exempt?
2. Any bona fide boarding school whose PRIMARY PURPOSE of admission is EDUCATION, provided that such facility in order to claim exemption shall operate under a published academic educational curriculum which meets the requirements of the State Department of Education, shall have classroom facilities which are not used for residential living, shall not have been granted nor have assumed legal custody of children attending the facility, and SHALL NOT PROVIDE SERVICE PLANNING AND CASEWORK SERVICES as described in these rules.*
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On 2006-02-03 05:43:00, odie wrote:
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On 2006-02-02 19:25:00, Deborah wrote:
"Hey,
Whadda ya call a traditional boarding school that conducts psychiatric evaluations? "
A place that knows with a dual diagnosis that they will make more money. :wave: If life were fair, Dan Quayle would be making a living asking 'Do you want fries with that?'
John Cleese
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Good point. What are you doing on this side of town, Odie?
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I got this real warm fuzzy loving feeling when I read some of the posts in this forum so I think I'll stick around awhile. ::bangin:: I guess my first question about this particular topic is who is administering these psychiatric evaluations? If I know that I'll have a better understanding of how the results of the evaluations are being treated and by whom.
Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw.
--Bastard Administrator
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It can be confusing. If you, or any one else, is interested in reading the regulations for Residential facilities, here?s how you get there.
Go here http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/ (http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/)
Select ?For Providers? in the left column
Select ?Laws and Regulations?
Select ?Current?
Select ? Residential Child Care Licensing ?
Then ?Residential Care Facilities?
That will get you there.
Right below RCF is Therapeutic Camps if you're interested in the regulations for Ridge Creek.
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I guess my first question about this particular topic is who is administering these psychiatric evaluations?
Well, it seems they do have a bona-fide head shrinker doing the testing. I have no problems with that at all.
Where I have a problem is that ALL kids are not tested, even though nearly all are labeled as "ODD" which requires testing to R/O mood disorders, etc. That's a problem.
Another problem I have is that HLA is registered as a "traditioonal boarding school" and the psych testing and treatment plans are prohibited by this classification. Another problem.
See, Odie, they are not properly licensed to perform the functions that they do provide. I'm not saying they shouldn't provide these services - in my view that would be going backwards.
What I AM saying is that they should be properly classified and licensed so that the services they provide can be properly monitored by the appropriate agencies to help ensure the health and safety of the children there. Isn't that what it's all SUPPOSED to be about - the kids?
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On 2006-02-03 05:45:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"HLA does testing and has treatment plans. Again, I am not saying it has always been this way. I am telling you how it is now."
If this is true why is HLA telling ORS they are a traditional boarding school?
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On 2006-02-03 07:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
See, Odie, they are not properly licensed to perform the functions that they do provide. I'm not saying they shouldn't provide these services - in my view that would be going backwards.
Hmmm...seems I have to agree with DJ for once. I looked at their website for answers but it is deceiving to say the least. ::bangin:: I see how they can get away with addressing the substance abuse problems of the kids by providing psychoeducational classes then they go and shoot themselves in the foot by saying their counselors receive supervision. Now as I understand it supervision of counselors is for case review so that would mean they are offering SA treatment to these kids. Now I may be a little mentally defective :lol: but I do believe you must have a specific license to do SA counseling. Anybody know if they are licensed to do substance abuse counseling?I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don't believe in either. I don't believe in God as I don't believe in Mother Goose.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-06 11:38 ]
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Oh and btw I was referring to the facility license, not the LAPC or LPC that they have on board.
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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Still no takers? Has ANYBODY received a psych eval from HLA? Anybody?
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On 2006-02-07 05:58:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Still no takers? Has ANYBODY received a psych eval from HLA? Anybody?
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Your not going to have the anti-HLA crowd on this board admit that they had testing done here, because it would prove the point that it does happen. I know, FOR A FACT, that many of the regular contributors on this site have had testing done at HLA. Most that did not have it done at HLA, had it done just prior to coming to HLA.
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Well I for one would love to hear from a Pro HLA'er if they got an eval when they were there since their license says they should have had one PRIOR to admission. It could be coincidence to have the majority of the kids come up with the same diagnosis (ODD)but I think I'd feel a bit more comfortable if I knew that these kids weren't all being diagnosed by the same person and were sent to psychiatrists in their home community for a psych eval.
The law in its majestic equality, forbids all men to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread - the rich as well as the poor
--Anatole France
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That's fair. But, you have to realize that you are not going to find a specific test that tests just for ODD. A diagnosis for ODD is not that hard to put on someone based on the criteria of the DSM IV. Many teens would fall into that diagnosis if you wanted to push the issue. The psych testing is used more to help formulate treatment plans and often times to rule out what we do NOT need to work on. ODD type behavior is often times just surface behavior that is masking the true issue. That's why if you are going to have a kid go to a program like this, I want you to make sure it is one with all Masters Level counselors. If a program is merely looking at the ODD behaviors they are sorely missing the boat.
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On 2006-02-07 07:52:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"That's fair. But, you have to realize that you are not going to find a specific test that tests just for ODD. A diagnosis for ODD is not that hard to put on someone based on the criteria of the DSM IV. Many teens would fall into that diagnosis if you wanted to push the issue. The psych testing is used more to help formulate treatment plans and often times to rule out what we do NOT need to work on. ODD type behavior is often times just surface behavior that is masking the true issue. That's why if you are going to have a kid go to a program like this, I want you to make sure it is one with all Masters Level counselors. If a program is merely looking at the ODD behaviors they are sorely missing the boat."
Excellent point.
I'd like to point out though that ODD is overused by nearly all of these places. It is overwhelmingly a disorder of children UNDER 10 YEARS of age, not teens.
I personally have seen ODD applied at HLA without any evaluation or psychometric testing whatsoever. It was more like "Give a diagnosis, get a check."
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Excellent point.
I'd like to point out though that ODD is overused by nearly all of these places. It is overwhelmingly a disorder of children UNDER 10 YEARS of age, not teens.
Yes it is and very rarely is it a singular diagnosis, its usually secondary to an adhd diagnosis, again not diagnosed in teens. It just struck me as being odd that they would emphasise the ODD on its websiteInfidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce
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On 2006-02-07 07:52:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"That's fair. But, you have to realize that you are not going to find a specific test that tests just for ODD. A diagnosis for ODD is not that hard to put on someone based on the criteria of the DSM IV. Many teens would fall into that diagnosis if you wanted to push the issue. The psych testing is used more to help formulate treatment plans and often times to rule out what we do NOT need to work on. ODD type behavior is often times just surface behavior that is masking the true issue. That's why if you are going to have a kid go to a program like this, I want you to make sure it is one with all Masters Level counselors. If a program is merely looking at the ODD behaviors they are sorely missing the boat."
What difference would it make if all the counselors are following the one-size-fits-all methods of the program?
I agree, that there is confusion, anger/ resentment underlying 'ODD'. And many times it is healthy indignation, albeit, not in their best interest, as it can land them in a program or worse.
How are those underlying issues addressed specifically? In my son's case, he was not allowed to talk about the resentment he felt toward his dad and step-mom. Or his confusion.
How does a kid resolve those 'issues' if speaking of them is labeled manipulation and punished? He would've done better back at home with his old therapist whose best advice was to tell him to imagine they were ants and smash them between his fingers. There is only so much outside 'help' can do when a child has extremely unreasonable and divested parents. Parents who hire a therapist to work up 'contracts' with their children and then don't hold up their end of the contract. Who's ODD in that situation? So the kid is punished for the shortcomings of the parent.
My son was dx/labeled on the spot, based on his father's complaints. Did anyone ask his dad what he might be doing to provoke such an antagonistic response? No. Did they 'teach' his dad a new way of communicating that might elicite a different response? No. They conditioned my son to 'avoid conflict' by keeping his thoughts and feelings to himself, to not challenge or question anything, to defer to authority. Surface discussion only. Nothing of importance or relevance that might cause his father discomfort. That is not the 'therapy' I would choose for myself or my son.
Do you have children, Truth?
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POSITION STATEMENT
ON THE USE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS PUNISHMENT
By California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance (CAHPERD)
The California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance is committed to the development of positive attitudes toward activity and active lifestyle habits in children and adults.
One of the prime goals of physical education programs is to provide students with positive experiences which will motivate them to pursue and develop active lifestyles. CAHPERD supports the California Physical and Health Related Fitness Test and the objectives of teaching youth about the importance of fitness and active lifestyles to their health.
The practice of utilizing physical activity (running laps and doing calisthenics) as punishment develops student attitudes that are contrary to the stated objectives of CAHPERD.
Teachers do not punish children with reading and then expect them to develop a joy for reading. Neither should teachers punish with exercise and expect children to develop a love of activity.
Not only is the use of physical activity as punishment contrary to the philosophy of CAHPERD, it is illegal. The California State Education Code states that: "No person employed or engaged in a public school shall inflict, or cause to be inflicted corporal punishment upon a pupil" The Code defines corporal punishment as "the willful infliction of, or willfully causing the infliction of, physical pain in a pupil." Punishing a child with lap running or push-ups imposes both physical and mental stress on a person. The physical and psychological damage are immeasurable.
THEREFORE, CAHPERD takes a position opposing the use of any form of physical activity as punishment in school and recreational programs.
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A letter about exercise as punishment from Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D., Professor, Department of Physical Education, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York to Bill Honig, Superintendent, California State Department of Education.
Dear Dr. Honig:
California's ban on the use of corporal punishment demonstrates the state's commitment to the future of its students.
However, if reports recently published in the Sacramento Bee correctly reflect the position of your office on the exclusion of exercise related punishment from the ban, I must express my grave concern over the wisdom used in reaching your decision.
One of the primary reasons for including physical education within the curriculum is that students will be able to obtain the skills and appreciation necessary for a lifetime involvement in the health-promoting aspects of exercise. This is laudable.
However, when teachers convert the same activity which they are trying to have students interpret as valuable to their lifelong health into a punishment, all positive pedagogical and logical principles have been abandoned. This is foolish, inappropriate and abusive to students.
Before your office continues to suggest or even condone such an abandonment of pedagogical and logical principles, I urge you to rethink your decision concerning the exclusion of exercise-related punishment from the corporal punishment ban.
Sincerely,
Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D.
Professor
cc: Jordan Riak, PTAVE
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I don't know who your son is, but want you are describing is the complete opposite of what I would want for a child at HLA. If you what you say is true, I am truly sorry that you had that experience. I feel the staff at HLA currently do a good job at looking at the family dynamics (all the parents, not just one)and the role that has played in the child having difficulties. Because of situations like yours, I have always felt that children should not be allowed to enroll in programs like this, unless both parents are in agreement of the placement. It just doesn't work otherwise.
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On 2006-02-07 12:39:00, Deborah wrote:
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POSITION STATEMENT
ON THE USE OF PHYSICAL ACTIVITY AS PUNISHMENT
By California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance (CAHPERD)
The California Association for Health, Physical Education, Recreation and Dance is committed to the development of positive attitudes toward activity and active lifestyle habits in children and adults.
One of the prime goals of physical education programs is to provide students with positive experiences which will motivate them to pursue and develop active lifestyles. CAHPERD supports the California Physical and Health Related Fitness Test and the objectives of teaching youth about the importance of fitness and active lifestyles to their health.
The practice of utilizing physical activity (running laps and doing calisthenics) as punishment develops student attitudes that are contrary to the stated objectives of CAHPERD.
Teachers do not punish children with reading and then expect them to develop a joy for reading. Neither should teachers punish with exercise and expect children to develop a love of activity.
Not only is the use of physical activity as punishment contrary to the philosophy of CAHPERD, it is illegal. The California State Education Code states that: "No person employed or engaged in a public school shall inflict, or cause to be inflicted corporal punishment upon a pupil" The Code defines corporal punishment as "the willful infliction of, or willfully causing the infliction of, physical pain in a pupil." Punishing a child with lap running or push-ups imposes both physical and mental stress on a person. The physical and psychological damage are immeasurable.
THEREFORE, CAHPERD takes a position opposing the use of any form of physical activity as punishment in school and recreational programs.
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A letter about exercise as punishment from Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D., Professor, Department of Physical Education, Brooklyn College of the City University of New York to Bill Honig, Superintendent, California State Department of Education.
Dear Dr. Honig:
California's ban on the use of corporal punishment demonstrates the state's commitment to the future of its students.
However, if reports recently published in the Sacramento Bee correctly reflect the position of your office on the exclusion of exercise related punishment from the ban, I must express my grave concern over the wisdom used in reaching your decision.
One of the primary reasons for including physical education within the curriculum is that students will be able to obtain the skills and appreciation necessary for a lifetime involvement in the health-promoting aspects of exercise. This is laudable.
However, when teachers convert the same activity which they are trying to have students interpret as valuable to their lifelong health into a punishment, all positive pedagogical and logical principles have been abandoned. This is foolish, inappropriate and abusive to students.
Before your office continues to suggest or even condone such an abandonment of pedagogical and logical principles, I urge you to rethink your decision concerning the exclusion of exercise-related punishment from the corporal punishment ban.
Sincerely,
Linda Carpenter, Ph.D., J.D.
Professor
cc: Jordan Riak, PTAVE
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I can respect that philosophy, even if I don't agree with it. I do have a question, however. What would you do instead? I am not being a smart ass, I really want to know. For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that? Again, I am not being a smart ass, I think this is an important part of the debate.
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For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that?
First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Second, since your program is really all about behavior modification, why not listen to the experts on BM if you're going to employ it at your facility (not my recommendation)? I would say that after working in the BM field for ten years or more, you would be educated to one of the basic tenets of BM theory: The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
That's not me saying it, that's the behaviorists. Dozens upon dozens of clinical trials have borne this out.
Conversely, it has been shown that punishment is only mildly effective at extinguishing behavior and its results only last as long as the punishment is applied consistently.
I also would add that even intermittent reinforcement of desired behavior is far more effective at producing desired behavior than punishment, even rigidly consistent, ever could be.
So, when punishment, even if applied with complete consistency (impossible outside of the laboratory) has only weak, fleeting results and positive reinforcement, even when applied only intermittently (obviously applies to the "real world" treatment environment), is proven lasting and effective, WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU USE IT?
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On 2006-02-07 15:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
I would tend to agree w/ that. I tell my kid to do something or tell her now, she says "You suck!" I say "Yup, I do." He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Wow I agree with DJ twice in one week :eek:
Now thats a great way to prevent a lot of negative behaviors but let me address the question of what to do with a kid that has a slip and calls a teacher a bitch.
So what if he does? Maybe she is one. If she has any clue as to what type of environment she has chosen to work in she needs to learn to deal with it. Her job would be to refer the incident to the kids counselor. Its a counseling issue and not one that should result in any type of immediate punishment. Any consequences to the kid's actions need to be agreed upon by the counselor and the kid. The teacher should have no input in consequences.
We must create an atmosphere where the crooked cop fears the honest cop, and not the other way around.
Frank Serpico
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I have to agree with what has been said. Say nothing or something like, ?Yeh the assignment is due tomorrow. The choice is yours. Turn something in for a grade or take a zero. If you need some help, I?m happy to assist.? The problem with programs and program parents is that they are more invested in kid?s success than the kid is. You think that you are making deep, lasting changes because the kid?s learn to ?act? to your liking? Because by the time they leave they are no longer calling their teacher a bitch?
A good counselor doesn?t take that stuff personally. Teachers shouldn?t either, or they?d be well advised to consider a different career. I perceive that as an indicator of the kid?s inner feelings. Punishing someone who is already hurt, angry, confused is not therapeutic. Are the inner feelings really important, or just the outward show of compliance?
If the situation allowed, I?d pull the kid aside and ask if he had some resentment toward me that he?d like to express- and let him go for it. My experience with kids (and most adults) is that they often resort to name calling and the use of expletives when they are distressed and/or they don?t feel their genuine complaints and feelings will be taken seriously. Emotions and rational thought are like oil and water. They don?t mix well. So if the kid has the opportunity to vent the feelings, they can almost always express what?s really bugging them. If being in such a cold, austere, clinical bubble is what?s bugging them, they might need to vent on a daily basis. I advised my son to find ways to vent that wouldn?t be punished. Like throwing a ball against a wall. Since his counselors were listening in, I?m sure his access to sports equipment was curtailed for some period of time.
I never once got the sense that the goal was to help my son explore and resolve resentment he held toward his dad and step-mom or about his placement, or unecessarily loosing two years of his life. It was clearly about shutting him down. Silencing his legitimate concerns and complaints. You know where that unexpressed resentment goes? Calling teachers bitches. Or it?s turned inward, manifesting in breaking their knuckles on a wall, cutting, excess use of alcohol and/or drugs, difficulty with trust and intimacy. You folks really should look more deeply at your ?successes?. You might be surprised at what you find.
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Truth, first youre assuming you know who we are. Second youre assuming you are familiar with all of our backrounds. I can assure I recieved no testing before or during my placement at HLA.
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On 2006-02-07 22:31:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Truth, first youre assuming you know who we are. Second youre assuming you are familiar with all of our backrounds. I can assure I recieved no testing before or during my placement at HLA."
I am assuming nothing. I was referring to the people that I absolutely know who they are because they have either said so straight out, or they have said things that have clearly identified who they are. Based on what you have said in the past, you were here at a time when HLA did not employee a full time tester, so I would not even think of arguing that point with you. I imagine many people during your time here did not receive testing unless it came from an outside source, if at all.
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Sorry. Forgot to log in. :wstupid:
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During a time?
Isnt that the case for the majority of the time HLA has been open?
Only recently (according to you) has there even been testing, prior to that...nothing.
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On 2006-02-08 07:26:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"During a time?
Isnt that the case for the majority of the time HLA has been open?
Only recently (according to you) has there even been testing, prior to that...nothing. "
You are correct. Mostly. There was some testing done, but not to the extent that it is done now. I would say that it is now a very big part of the work we do. In the past it was done on more of an as needed basis.
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On 2006-02-07 15:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that?
First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Second, since your program is really all about behavior modification, why not listen to the experts on BM if you're going to employ it at your facility (not my recommendation)? I would say that after working in the BM field for ten years or more, you would be educated to one of the basic tenets of BM theory: The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
That's not me saying it, that's the behaviorists. Dozens upon dozens of clinical trials have borne this out.
Conversely, it has been shown that punishment is only mildly effective at extinguishing behavior and its results only last as long as the punishment is applied consistently.
I also would add that even intermittent reinforcement of desired behavior is far more effective at producing desired behavior than punishment, even rigidly consistent, ever could be.
So, when punishment, even if applied with complete consistency (impossible outside of the laboratory) has only weak, fleeting results and positive reinforcement, even when applied only intermittently (obviously applies to the "real world" treatment environment), is proven lasting and effective, WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU USE IT?
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On 2006-02-08 07:39:00, HLA Truth wrote:
You are correct. Mostly. There was some testing done, but not to the extent that it is done now. I would say that it is now a very big part of the work we do. In the past it was done on more of an as needed basis."
So then might there have been students who were diagnosed as having ODD who in fact did not?[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-08 12:48 ]
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That is certainly possible.
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On 2006-02-07 15:38:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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For instance, if a student called a teacher a "fucking bitch" because the teacher assigned an essay for homework. According to you, what is the most effective way of handling that?
First, I'd say that one needs to "catch the kid being good." Praise and positive reinforcement are the best way to elicit desired behaviors.
Second, since your program is really all about behavior modification, why not listen to the experts on BM if you're going to employ it at your facility (not my recommendation)? I would say that after working in the BM field for ten years or more, you would be educated to one of the basic tenets of BM theory: The most effective, fastest, longest lasting way to extinguish any behavior is to ignore it.
That's not me saying it, that's the behaviorists. Dozens upon dozens of clinical trials have borne this out.
Conversely, it has been shown that punishment is only mildly effective at extinguishing behavior and its results only last as long as the punishment is applied consistently.
I also would add that even intermittent reinforcement of desired behavior is far more effective at producing desired behavior than punishment, even rigidly consistent, ever could be.
So, when punishment, even if applied with complete consistency (impossible outside of the laboratory) has only weak, fleeting results and positive reinforcement, even when applied only intermittently (obviously applies to the "real world" treatment environment), is proven lasting and effective, WHY THE HELL DON'T YOU USE IT?
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Truth, if punishment is widely known not to produce desired behavior, why do you rely almost exclusively on it to shape behavior?
Not only are you applying the behavioral model, which is not the most effective method, you apply it in the least effective way. :???:
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I disagree with you. Behavior modification is only a part of the program. There is MUCH more to HLA than behavior mod. To say that HLA is only a behavior mod program is a gross distortion of the facts.
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Then please relay the facts. Youve been avoiding giving straight answers on anything, heres your chance.
Also since you agree that many students may have been misdiagnosed at HLA should they have been there at all?
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On 2006-02-08 13:06:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I disagree with you. Behavior modification is only a part of the program. There is MUCH more to HLA than behavior mod. To say that HLA is only a behavior mod program is a gross distortion of the facts."
No actually that isn't how behavior modification works. You can't use it sometimes and other times not. Any adolescent setting that uses behavior modification as a means of shaping behavior will have disastrous results when being administered by people not completely educated in this modality of treatment. This is where many programs end up screwing the kids up more then when they first got there. I have quite a bit of experience in this area and have come to a realization that better results come from a cognitive behavioral approach when working with kids. Using a kid's strengths to build him up will have much better results then to have them feeling worse and sometimes even hopeless because they are punished repeatedly for making menial bad judgements.You should be allowed to do whatever you want with your own person and property, as long as you don't physically harm the person or property of a nonconsenting other.
Peter McWilliams - Ain't Nobody's Business If I Do
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On 2006-02-08 13:06:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I disagree with you. Behavior modification is only a part of the program. There is MUCH more to HLA than behavior mod. To say that HLA is only a behavior mod program is a gross distortion of the facts."
Odie is spot on in his comments. Behavior Mod is not a "part time" method. It must be applied full time to have any effect (even though it is comparatively ineffective to other methods). It simply won't work on a part time basis, as the result is what I like to call "harshness balanced with inconsistency."
Seriously, Truth, are you going to sit there and try to say that punishment is not the biggest counseling tool used at HLA? Come on, dude. Anyone who ever went there or worked there knows that it is.
It is true that there is more to HLA's "program." There are LGAT "workshops" as well. These LGAT sessions are proven to be damaging to the developing mind and were discredited by research over twenty years ago. The ONLY places still using them are places like HLA and organized cults. They simply have NO PLACE in mental health treatment.
Behavior Mod, level system, LGAT workshops, confrontational "peer therapy" and a hefty dose of punishment. That's it in a nutshell. Call it what you like, but it doesn't change a thing.
Truth, I have no doubt but that you feel like what you all do there is good for kids. The problem is that you're the only ones who feel that way. Programs like yours have been thoroughly debunked. Your results suck.
You take kids that need help that you are not capable of delivering and exacerbate their problems. You take credit for "successes" that are actually the natural maturation process. You blame your huge amount of "failures" on the kids or their parents. You misrepresent the truth and outright lie to prospective marks. Your own staff tells the kids to "play the game" so they can go home. Who do you think you're kidding?
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On 2006-02-08 13:06:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I disagree with you. Behavior modification is only a part of the program. There is MUCH more to HLA than behavior mod. To say that HLA is only a behavior mod program is a gross distortion of the facts."
Ur F.O.S. buddy. "Therapy" doesn't exist at HLA. There's only "Bait and Punish" and "Punish and Punish."
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On 2006-02-09 14:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ur F.O.S. buddy. "Therapy" doesn't exist at HLA. There's only "Bait and Punish" and "Punish and Punish.""
That seems to be the model for all of the Behavior Modification Scam Shacks. I wasn't at HLA personally, but I knew the founders Rudy & Jill Bentz from their days at Cedu RS. Neither of them are qualified to give therapy to anyone. The Bentz's are in fact two of the most twisted and sadistic people I've ever known. As Cedu staff, they both revelled in degrading students, and admonishing them with excessive and unfair punishments, especially Rudy.
I have it on good authority that Rudy considered himself a failure in just about every aspect of his life,cedu being the sole exception. Therefore, it's no wonder why Rudy got off on torturing kids so much (especially males). It was the perfect release for his neverending frustration. Jill on the other hand was adversely tough on girls. To Jill they were all "cum guzzling whores". She yelled at the boys some too, but for the most part. she was more interested in feeling us up (Jill grabbed my shit on numerous occassions.) I guess Rudy's libido failed to meet Jill's expectations (probably another thing he was pissed off about).
Anyways, I have no doubt that HLA is every bit as aweful and abusive as you all make it sound.
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Rudy and Jill were fired about a year and a half or 2 years after HLA was opened. They havent been there in a very long time. Not very many people liked them while they were there.
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were they really fired Bullfrog? What for? Also when can I expect you to get to those questions you swear youve already answered?
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I think they were "asked" to resign officially, specifically for what I dont remember. And I already told you I am not answering your questions. Im done with that. Didn't you hear me the first 6 times I said it? Nobody wants to hear us bicker back and forth about it so QUIT ASKING ME.
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Rudy and Jill left to go to Swift River in Mass.
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On 2006-02-13 17:16:00, SHH wrote:
"I think they were "asked" to resign officially, specifically for what I dont remember. And I already told you I am not answering your questions. Im done with that. Didn't you hear me the first 6 times I said it? Nobody wants to hear us bicker back and forth about it so QUIT ASKING ME."
But why Bullfrog? I would think with all the times Ive proven you wrong on points, or shown you to be a liar that you would jump at the chance to prove me wrong.
You wont do it because you cant do it.
Acknowledge that fact.
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On 2006-02-13 17:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Rudy and Jill left to go to Swift River in Mass."
Rudy and Jill Bentz are parasites!
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Who is SHH/Bullfrog? Or is everyone here keeping their identities secret?
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I used to be married to one of their current employees. I also used to work there for about 9 months. And I lived on campus for 4 years from 1997-2001. That's who I am.
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On 2006-02-18 11:04:00, SHH wrote:
"I used to be married to one of their current employees. I also used to work there for about 9 months. And I lived on campus for 4 years from 1997-2001. That's who I am. "
I see you've plenty of time for this nonsense, but have not answered my questions on the other threads. Great.
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I just got back on here....after being off for a few hours..what questions Steve? I answered the earlier one about not knowing if Johnny was still there or not. What was your other question?
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I have one. Why would you post anonymously and ask what HLA is?
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I already answered that question several days ago. It wasn't me on that particular post and there are a couple others that aren't mine that Ginger put my name on. I dont know why that is, but I know Im not the exclusive member of some of my computer locations. Either that or her program messed up with the IP thing. Either way it doesnt matter its kind of a goofy thing to worry about.
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On 2006-02-18 13:13:00, SHH wrote:
"I already answered that question several days ago. It wasn't me on that particular post and there are a couple others that aren't mine that Ginger put my name on. I dont know why that is, but I know Im not the exclusive member of some of my computer locations. Either that or her program messed up with the IP thing. Either way it doesnt matter its kind of a goofy thing to worry about."
Not really when you take into account how sneaky you've been in dispensing your opinions and inuendo around here. Wondered what your motivations for asking that were. It just shows the lengths you'll go to defend and recruit for that sorry place.
Sorry, not buying that it wasn't you. Go back and re-read the entire thread. Did the anonymous co-worker write all of those posts in that thread? Why in the world would one of your co-workers be interested in that in hte first place?
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Its not just at work....I share this particular computer with 2 other adults. I dont care whether you believe me or not. I answered your question.
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No you didnt you just made something up.
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No I am sorry Robert you are the one making things up. I admit you can be pretty creative too.
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Really?
What specifically am I making up?
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I received this today from a currently employed HLA staffer. Apparently, HLA will take anyone who can pay, regardless of diagnosis. This unethical practice has led to the resignations of many staff members including Clarke Poole who worked in Admissions for six years.
" Clark Poole has just resigned from HLA. He was in the admissions dept for over 6 years and finally had all he could take. Here is his notice of resignation along with a series of emails that led to it. He sent this out to consultants after he resigned, and deleted the names of the students for privacy reasons, but everybody here knows who they are, and there are many more just like them. Buccellato will take in anybody who has the money. He is scum. Post it if you want to. Everybody here hates the damn place except those ass-kissers close to Buccellato. The favorite slogan among staff is Burn Baby Burn."
For all of us that have been telling the truth about HLA and being called liars (and worse) and threatened with violence and legal action, this one is for us. The veil of secrecy has been shredded and I have the proof.
For all of you who have disparaged me out of ignorance or intentionally to discredit me, this is your sharp stick in the eye.
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Nicely done DJ, nicely done! :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
For all of you who have disparaged me out of ignorance or intentionally to discredit me, this is your sharp stick in the eye
(http://http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/poke2.gif) (http://http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/hystery.gif) (http://http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/images/smilies/hystery.gif)
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That 'sharp stick in the eye' icon was too much. LOL!!
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Without licensed staff on board, who is able to do any therapy sessions at HLA?
What good is testing without treatment?
What good is treatment provided by unlicensed hacks?
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On 2006-02-02 06:59:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"I'm looking for anyone who has undergone a psychiatric evaluation at HLA.
What tests were performed? By whom? What were the results?
Thanks.
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Found one.
John Doe 1) came here with a very troubling history and equally troubling psychological evaluation. He was constantly involved in trouble including physical assaults on other students. He finally attacked and threatened to kill another student and the on-call clinical staff was called to evaluate him. She determined he was not only sincere but determined to actually try to kill the other student, and signed the order to have him committed to a psychiatric hospital. He did not return to Hidden Lake. The educational consultant who referred him to Hidden Lake was its owner, Len Buccellato.
It is no wonder why the good people of Dahlonega said "no" to another kiddie jail/psych hospital to be run by the HLA folks.
I think they're starting to get an idea of the severely disturbed "students" HLA imports into their quiet little town and the potential problems it poses when they are not properly cared for in the appropriate setting.
Are there any volunteers to collect the police reports/blotter incidents from HLA so that they can be posted? It would be very interesting to see exactly how much time, effort and money the local PD puts out to deal with the problems HLA creates for the community.
I'll gladly pay for any transcripts or reports if someone will obtain them from the PD.
Thanks.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-04-17 05:57 ]
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I thought the police in Dahlonega didn't make reports when it comes to HLA?
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Im jumping to this thread late but i thought id share my experiences with the Psych. Eval thing.
I was given a full psychiatric evaluation and testing (including the MMPI and all that) The results from that showed that I had very few problems (actually the only problem it said i had was mild to moderate chronic depression or something like that) However, either right before or right after i was admitted to HLA (my memory of this period of time is somewhat hazy) I was told that i was diagnosed by a certain Dr. Hunter at HLA with ODD, although i have never once in my life met this Dr. Hunter person. Then after i was at HLA for awhile i requested to see a psychiatrist for another psych eval so i could possibly be medicated for my depression which was constantly getting worse, my mother also requested this, both of theese requests where frequently ignored. I was only able to see another psychiatrist (Dr. Horowitz or Horwitz i believe) about a year latter when i complained of having chronic insomnia and ADD. When i talked to the Dr he gave me a test for ADD and then told me that they wouldnt allow him to perscribe anything for my insomia out of fear that i may abuse it (although the school hadnt clasified me as an addict, so im assuming it was a blanket restriction for all students) But he did perscribe me to adderall (Dextroamphetamine) which can just as easilly abused, i remmeber finding that quite odd. That is about the extent of my experience with psychiatrists there I genneraly find the whole way they handled the psychiatric treatment to be HIGHLY unethical (although Dr. Horowitz did seem to actually care a great deal about my well being and seemed quite frustrated that he couldnt perscribe me anything to help me sleep.)
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Jump in anywhere. These threads are ongoing discussions.
There are non addicting sleep aids. Any reason they might not 'want' you to sleep? Being well rested might interfere with you 'working your program'. Isn't the point to put the kids under as much stress as possible (bait) so they 'react' and then can be punished?
Now that you're out, do you still consider yourself ADD and take meds?
ODD is the standard dx to get most in the door. Zyberkant and/or Witherspoon dx'd my son on the spot- they claimed "based on his father's complaints". No prior dx or eval.
What happened to those too anyway? Anyone know? And M. Burns? What happened to her?
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On 2006-04-27 17:14:00, Deborah wrote:
Jump in anywhere. These threads are ongoing discussions.
There are non addicting sleep aids. Any reason they might not 'want' you to sleep? Being well rested might interfere with you 'working your program'. Isn't the point to put the kids under as much stress as possible (bait) so they 'react' and then can be punished?
Now that you're out, do you still consider yourself ADD and take meds?
ODD is the standard dx to get most in the door. Zyberkant and/or Witherspoon dx'd my son on the spot- they claimed "based on his father's complaints". No prior dx or eval.
What happened to those too anyway? Anyone know? And M. Burns? What happened to her?"
Arnold Zilberkant was unceremoniously fired one day after working there for 10 years. You probably will disagree but I found him to be one of the 2 or 3 professional, caring people who worked at HLA (my kid was there for over 2 years.)
Witherspoon, a miserable, manipulative creep (in my opinion) "left" of his own volition - or so I'm told.
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On 2006-04-27 17:14:00, Deborah wrote:
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Jump in anywhere. These threads are ongoing discussions.
There are non addicting sleep aids. Any reason they might not 'want' you to sleep? Being well rested might interfere with you 'working your program'. Isn't the point to put the kids under as much stress as possible (bait) so they 'react' and then can be punished?
Now that you're out, do you still consider yourself ADD and take meds?
ODD is the standard dx to get most in the door. Zyberkant and/or Witherspoon dx'd my son on the spot- they claimed "based on his father's complaints". No prior dx or eval.
What happened to those too anyway? Anyone know? And M. Burns? What happened to her?"
Yeah i did think about that and i could be true but i dont want to make accusations that i cant back up 100%.
And yes i still have ADHD and im still on adderall, which actually does help me a great deal, and thats probably the one good thing i got out of that place.
And wow i wonder why Arnold got fired, i dont remmeber liking him to much but did at least seem very professional and well mannered unlike Mr. Witherspoon.
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Wow, Arnold and Mike are gone? And Bill Gray, and now Clarke Poole? It seems that most of the higher-ups from my time are gone... That is strange.
Anyway. Like Thorazine here, I too was given the MMPI test, and also an IQ test. However the timing was a bit off. It was in April of 2004, when i graduated in June. I found out in the weeks following, that all it was for was to try and convince my parents to keep me post-grad, and keep the cash from my wealthy father flowing, and to keep him baited. I was then involved in a court case (custody) and those results were used to prove to the court that I needed to stay in treatment (this is now me at 17, after I had been in treatment consistantly since i was 14). However all the school reported to the court was that I was "still hiding things."
But sure, thats grounds to keep me another 4 months until I went to college, right? Sounds like it to me.
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yeah they tend to try and pull crap like that, I think they even treid to keep me post-grad even though i was like a model student. Actually i was given all of the actuall testing before i went to HLA and my Psychiatrist even said that i didnt belong in that kind of treatemt, they might have listened had my ed con (Rose Lucas who as far as i know has no psychological backround whatsoever, although i could be wrong) told my ded that i would be dead within a year if i didnt go to HLA.
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On 2006-04-27 19:35:00, kid_thorazine wrote:
"they might have listened had my ed con (Rose Lucas who as far as i know has no psychological backround whatsoever, although i could be wrong) told my ded that i would be dead within a year if i didnt go to HLA. "
The 'manipulation meter' is going haywire. Why would your parents take the opion of an Ed Con over a shrink?
In my case, the Ed Con never met my son, and didn't know a thing about him or HLA. Just provided the contact info over the phone. There was nothing to sell though, he had made the decision and just needed a referral, quick.
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ummm arnold zilbercant or w/e his name was is part of a handful of manipulative staff. i find it very wierd how many of the top staff have either left or gotten fired, must be some REALLY SHADY BUSINESS going on behind the scenes, cuz that makes absolutely no sense.i think buccellato needs to have a psychiological evaluation, no joke.
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During my time Arnold never had much day to day interaction with the inmates.
Mike and Meredith however did to a somewhat greater degree. Those two represent all that is sick about that place. I would be very much interested to hear what the circumstances were surronding their leaving.
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Subject: HLA Psychiatric Services Letter
Dear Parents,
It was with regret that we were informed by Dr Reddick, psychiatrist, that she will no longer be seeing HLA students here on campus. She is sending a letter of explanation to parents of her current patients. Dr Reddick has indicated that she will see students in her office in Roswell. HLA will transport students to her office and bill parents the transportation fees. You should contact her directly to arrange continued service with her.
In anticipation of this change, HLA has been researching alternative psychiatric services for students. Dr. Martha Morrison, M.D. has agreed to see HLA students in her office in Cumming Georgia. Dr Morrison is a child and adolescent psychiatrist with special training in Addictionology. She obtained her BA in Psychology from the University of Arkansas and her MD degree from University of Arkansas College of Medicine. She completed her Senior Residency at Emory University in Atlanta.
You may contact her office directly at (404) 296-0391 to discuss and arrange service. As stated, HLA will transport students to appointments at her office and bill the transportation fees.
If you have questions, you may contact Clay Erickson here at the school.
Exactly what do kids actually go to HLA for? NO licensed counselors, NO licensed teachers, NO nurse on campus, NO psychiatrist on campus.
Academics: terrible.
Healthcare: worse.
Psychiatric Care: worst.
Why aren't qualified professional people on staff?
What is it that they are selling besides a "bill of goods"?
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-05-03 11:03 ]
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Heads up parents. DJ is what we would nonjudgmentally call an "ex-employee" of HLA. Take his "sour grapes" with a grain of salt.
Point to consider: if you read these threads, you'd think HLA were about to go under. The facts say otherwise: they're full to capacity, there's a wait list for entry even at the high cost.
How do you square the facts: is the school in as much trouble as the hyperbole here suggests, are all the parents and Ed Cons who investigate multiple programs being conned so effectively into sending kids in these large numbers to such a terrible place?
I just don't buy it. My explanation is that some disgruntled employees and a couple of parents and kids who did not do well there are hysterical with anger about their own bad luck. So if HLA can't get a building variance, oh God, it's a catastrophe, the school is going under. Or oh the chapel isn't built, the school is going under. Or, some administrator left, it must be a plot, it'll be all over soon.
And on and on and on. And meanwhile the school is full and operating. Because drama and battle is all in the minds of DJ and the other true believers here. Toss them a little compassion and go on with important job doing your best for your kids, families and selves. Which may well include a TBS like HLA.
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Amen. A sound voice.
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On 2006-05-03 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Heads up parents. DJ is what we would nonjudgmentally call an "ex-employee" of HLA. Take his "sour grapes" with a grain of salt.
Point to consider: if you read these threads, you'd think HLA were about to go under. The facts say otherwise: they're full to capacity, there's a wait list for entry even at the high cost.
How do you square the facts: is the school in as much trouble as the hyperbole here suggests, are all the parents and Ed Cons who investigate multiple programs being conned so effectively into sending kids in these large numbers to such a terrible place?
I just don't buy it. My explanation is that some disgruntled employees and a couple of parents and kids who did not do well there are hysterical with anger about their own bad luck. So if HLA can't get a building variance, oh God, it's a catastrophe, the school is going under. Or oh the chapel isn't built, the school is going under. Or, some administrator left, it must be a plot, it'll be all over soon.
And on and on and on. And meanwhile the school is full and operating. Because drama and battle is all in the minds of DJ and the other true believers here. Toss them a little compassion and go on with important job doing your best for your kids, families and selves. Which may well include a TBS like HLA."
O5, how could you possibly know this?
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Exactly what do kids actually go to HLA for? NO licensed counselors, NO licensed teachers, NO nurse on campus, NO psychiatrist on campus.
Academics: terrible.
Healthcare: worse.
Psychiatric Care: worst.
Why aren't qualified professional people on staff?
What is it that they are selling besides a "bill of goods"?
Hey Ottowa, why don't you answer these questions, since you know so much about it?
Do you think a TBS with no licensed counselors, no nurse, no psychiatrist and no certified teachers is fullfilling "therapy" and "schooling"?
Do a search on Ottowa5 and you'll see what this lady is all about. She knows nothing about HLA and has supported abusive, shut-down, sued-out-of-business BM facilities like CEDU where she warehoused her mentally defective kid.
She was saying all the same things about CEDU, calling everyone "liars" and "disgruntled" right up until the day CEDU was forced to close its doors over child abuse. Then she was inexplicably silent on CEDU and began trolling this site for over two years now.
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Apparently, thanks to the HLA students on work detail, the "equestrian Center" is up and running..HLA is very proud of the fact that the got SACS ACCREDITATION...I would like to know
what students spoke to SACS...as if they would dare say anything negative...I was told SACS never even toured the school..They showed up all right...If they toured it, they would have noticed "no lab"..HLA cannot have one because of
fire safety..Of-course if the SACS REPS were Bucci's friends that he apparently requests, it wouldn't matter, would it?
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:05:42
Subject: HLA Letter
Dear HLA Parents,
As we approach the end of Spring Semester, I wish to update you about
several things happening here at HLA.
As you know, HLA has been accredited by the Southern Association of
Colleges of Schools (SACS). Every five years, schools must reapply for
accreditation. We recently had several educators on our campus
interviewing students and staff, observing classes and examining our school for
recertification. We are proud to announce that not only did we obtain re-
accreditation by SACS but also accreditation by the Southern
Association of Independent Schools (SAIS). In their report the committee stated,
?There can be no question that HLA provides an academic program
comparable and exceeding other traditional boarding schools accredited by SACS
and SAIS while providing significant therapeutic and recreation
programs as designed in the mission of the school.
Beginning May 1, we will implement some changes in our infirmary
procedures. Physicians from Foot Hills Family Medicine will no longer be
seeing students on campus. Students will be seen by infirmary staff and
those students that need to be seen by a physician will be scheduled and
transported to a doctor?s appointment. We will continue to use Foot
Hills Family Medicine for those appointments where appropriate. Parents
will be contacted so that they can talk directly with the physician?s
office. This ensures the parent ?physician relationship and allows HLA to
focus on therapeutics and academics. Physicians will send written
medical orders that the infirmary will follow. The infirmary will be open
daily for students, who because they are ill, need to remain in the
infirmary.
The new Equestrian Center is up and running. Located on the Mountain
Brook property, we have renovated a stable and purchased 5 horses. Staff
and student volunteers have helped establish a great place to ride in
the pastures and trails of that property. This will be a great summer
activity for many of our students.
Charles W Cates, PhD
Headmaster
Hidden Lake Academy
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He doesn't 'have' to work....WHy would he place himself in this position...Bucci's lacky..
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On 2006-05-03 13:16:00, Deborah wrote:
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On 2006-05-03 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Heads up parents. DJ is what we would nonjudgmentally call an "ex-employee" of HLA. Take his "sour grapes" with a grain of salt.
Point to consider: if you read these threads, you'd think HLA were about to go under. The facts say otherwise: they're full to capacity, there's a wait list for entry even at the high cost.
How do you square the facts: is the school in as much trouble as the hyperbole here suggests, are all the parents and Ed Cons who investigate multiple programs being conned so effectively into sending kids in these large numbers to such a terrible place?
I just don't buy it. My explanation is that some disgruntled employees and a couple of parents and kids who did not do well there are hysterical with anger about their own bad luck. So if HLA can't get a building variance, oh God, it's a catastrophe, the school is going under.
And on and on and on. And meanwhile the school is full and operating. Because drama and battle is all in the minds of DJ and the other true believers here. Toss them a little compassion and go on with important job doing your best for your kids, families and selves. Which may well include a TBS like HLA."
O5, how could you possibly know this? "
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On 2006-05-03 17:31:00, juniper2 wrote:
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On 2006-05-03 13:16:00, Deborah wrote:
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On 2006-05-03 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Heads up parents. DJ is what we would nonjudgmentally call an "ex-employee" of HLA. Take his "sour grapes" with a grain of salt.
Point to consider: if you read these threads, you'd think HLA were about to go under. The facts say otherwise: they're full to capacity, there's a wait list for entry even at the high cost.
How do you square the facts: is the school in as much trouble as the hyperbole here suggests, are all the parents and Ed Cons who investigate multiple programs being conned so effectively into sending kids in these large numbers to such a terrible place?
I just don't buy it. My explanation is that some disgruntled employees and a couple of parents and kids who did not do well there are hysterical with anger about their own bad luck. So if HLA can't get a building variance, oh God, it's a catastrophe, the school is going under.
And on and on and on. And meanwhile the school is full and operating. Because drama and battle is all in the minds of DJ and the other true believers here. Toss them a little compassion and go on with important job doing your best for your kids, families and selves. Which may well include a TBS like HLA."
O5, how could you possibly know this? "
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DAH...O5...WHY ARE YOU ARGUING? HLA CLEARLY
STATES:
HLA IS NOT A TBS !!!!REMEMBER! IT IS A LICENSED ACADEMIC BOARDING SCHOOL! ORS CLEARLY
STATES THAT TOO! SO DOES SACS!
NOW IF YOU BELIEVE HLA IS A TBS SCHOOL, YOU SHOULD BE ARGUING WITH THE ORS AND SACS!
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Unless Cates misquoted SACS, they are obviously aware that there is a 'therapeutic' component. The rub... SACS doesn't have a TBS catagory. There is a 'Specialty School' catagory which would seem more appropriate than Secondary School, and which has more requirements, for what that's worth.
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You got it..I think the terms they use is
Academic Academy with Special Purpose...
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However, where does that leave the ORS?
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Also, Cates states in his letter that the
'infirmary' will be open daily....that written orders from the physician will be followed at the infirmary...what he leaves out..without a nurse the infirmary is open...He told parents that he never said the infirmary will have a nurse seven days a week..He doesn't have to, it is in the handbook..
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On 2006-05-03 19:58:00, juniper2 wrote:
"However, where does that leave the ORS?"
Umm.... duped? complacent?
So is the issue that they still believe HLA to be your run-of-the-mill boarding school, or they just don't have a classification for their facility? They certainly know that there's a lot more than academics going on there....
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On 2006-05-03 20:01:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Also, Cates states in his letter that the
'infirmary' will be open daily....that written orders from the physician will be followed at the infirmary...what he leaves out..without a nurse the infirmary is open...He told parents that he never said the infirmary will have a nurse seven days a week..He doesn't have to, it is in the handbook.."
Those pesky details!
I actually have heard that this man has "integrity."
Charles, how do you advertise the infirmary when you just shit-canned the last worker in it?
Please explain.
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The new Equestrian Center is up and running. Located on the Mountain
Brook property, we have renovated a stable and purchased 5 horses. Staff
and student volunteers have helped establish a great place to ride in
the pastures and trails of that property. This will be a great summer
activity for many of our students.
Charles W Cates, PhD
Headmaster
Hidden Lake Academy
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Staff volunteers?
More like do it or youre fired.
Student volunteers?
More like do it or I'll send you out into the woods for two months.
Smeantics really are a wonderful thing.
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It is amazing the way Cates worded it..It won't
fly, espceially if they were on restrictions..
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This one is actually accurate. There are kids who are excited about having horses and are volunteering. They have a full time staff member whose sole job is heading up this program.
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On 2006-05-04 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This one is actually accurate. There are kids who are excited about having horses and are volunteering. They have a full time staff member whose sole job is heading up this program. "
This is using student labor and staff (paid by a NFP company) for the direct enrichment of the head of the NFP company that provided the free labor.
It stinks of 'illegal.'