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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: THE ONE (chewy) on January 30, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
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Yo take it from me, HLA was a corrupt place like I said, but put aside that my friends were da bomb, up in that bitch, got me through everything, to all my fallen soldiers out there, ones that get sent to lockdowns, psychiatric hospitals, went home, went to jail etc, yall all my boy's, all i gotta say we out HLA and now in a much better place, when I was there at HLA they tried to hold me back, but they couldn't cause " THE ONE " was always on top, when I was there I had everything and could get basically anything that I wanted with minor exceptions, I was told I was an untouchable by a counselor when I was there for my 8 month. I was known as a bad-ass, intimidator, a player and most importantly the one kid that never backed down from HLA staff, so I say to all my fallen soldiers, ONE LOVE
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You're a good man...
Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
Orange Country, California
Los Angeles Times
29 March 2000
--Judge James P. Gray
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On 2006-01-30 12:46:00, THE ONE (chewy) wrote:
"Yo take it from me, HLA was a corrupt place like I said, but put aside that my friends were da bomb, up in that bitch, got me through everything, to all my fallen soldiers out there, ones that get sent to lockdowns, psychiatric hospitals, went home, went to jail etc, yall all my boy's, all i gotta say we out HLA and now in a much better place, when I was there at HLA they tried to hold me back, but they couldn't cause " THE ONE " was always on top, when I was there I had everything and could get basically anything that I wanted with minor exceptions, I was told I was an untouchable by a counselor when I was there for my 8 month. I was known as a bad-ass, intimidator, a player and most importantly the one kid that never backed down from HLA staff, so I say to all my fallen soldiers, ONE LOVE "
Let me prefice this with saying...I am not trying to get you to say who you are. That is totally your business.
That being said...you would think that if you were such a "player" on campus and that you were here for 30 months like your earlier email said, I would know immediately who you were. I don't. I would be lying if I said I wasn't curious. Anyway...I wish you well. Good luck.
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Don't worry, HLA Truth, I think that young man is doing just fine, despite your best efforts.
The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, a self-derision, and self-mutilation.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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I sincerely hope so.
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On 2006-01-31 11:22:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I sincerely hope so."
Isn't it about time for you to just shut up already? You bring absolutely nothing to the table here. All you do is troll and damge control. You're not the least bit interested in the truth about HLA.
If you were, maybe you could tell us how your "low moral character" has caused the county to kill MBA. It seems the county commissioners have serious reservations about you folks doing business there, citing your "morality" as the reason to kill your project. Maybe people are finally beginning to see how your private kiddie jail makes its money.
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Let's get something straight "ANYONOMOUS", no one gives a fuck about u or what I bring to the table, and what the truth is about HLA because when it comes down to it, HLA is a fucken joke, there all a bunch of lying manipulatiing people with the exception of a few. To the person called "HLA TRUTH" obviously you weren't a huge part of HLA because if u were then u definately would know who i am from what i've said, but whatever. See all u people that post shit up on here, don't know squat the only people who know are the few of us that post shit that have been there, done that. With that said all u people out there that went to HLA, holla
like I said u people out there really want to know the truth reply back to this shit
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On 2006-02-01 09:38:00, THE ONE (chewy) wrote:
"Let's get something straight "ANYONOMOUS", no one gives a fuck about u or what I bring to the table, and what the truth is about HLA because when it comes down to it, HLA is a fucken joke, there all a bunch of lying manipulatiing people with the exception of a few. To the person called "HLA TRUTH" obviously you weren't a huge part of HLA because if u were then u definately would know who i am from what i've said, but whatever. See all u people that post shit up on here, don't know squat the only people who know are the few of us that post shit that have been there, done that. With that said all u people out there that went to HLA, holla
like I said u people out there really want to know the truth reply back to this shit "
There is only one student that I can think of that was here that long and recently left and he would NEVER be described by anyone the way you describe your self.
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Hey, man. I asked you some of this stuff on another thread. I was hoping you could give some answers.
BTW, I used to work at HLA when it first opened and it was really messed up then. I'm trying to see what has changed and what hasn't in the past ten years.
Posted: 2006-01-25 05:36:00
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Thanks for posting, bro.
Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?
Sexual relations between staff and students:
-What do you know about this?
-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?
-How old were the victims? Under 16?
-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?
-What about kids having sex with eachother?
Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do?
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?
-How long were you on restrictions each time?
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)
-What about forced exercise? What kind/how much?
Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?
-How many hours each day did you attend classes?
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?
-What was the quality of HLA's study program?
-What percentage is "self-study"?
The program:
-Describe "realizations."
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?
-Talk about the seminars. Were you sleep deprived? Exercised to exhaustion? Deprived of regular meals and hydration?
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names? Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?
I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.
I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.
Thanks.
Also, the anon post before was directed to HLA Truth, not you, Chewy. It was saying SHE brings nothing to the table except a bunch of bullshit.
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There are also these.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =70#167807 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13636&forum=41&start=70#167807)
All you HLA truth.
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Are you kidding me? This "chewy, the one" guy is an ABSOLUTE DORK! :lol: Dude, stop trying to sound so cool and hard "our fallen soldiers" shut the fuck up geek ass... :lol:
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A "player" LMAO! :rofl: :lol: What a fruit loop nigger wanna-be..
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why don't ya send your comments to chewy in a PM SB? just keep it between the two of ya.
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On 2006-02-01 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
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why don't ya send your comments to chewy in a PM SB? just keep it between the two of ya. "
Fuck you.
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We gonna drop this next bomb for a money makin' playa that ain't with us no mo.
Yeah, Notorious B.I.G.
Hell no, we gonna do this for a gangbanging thug that never seen it comin'.
Yeah, Tupac Shakur.
Nah bitch, I'm talkin' ?bout motherfuckin' Falco and shit.
What? Falco?
:rofl: :lol:
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listen you little fucken bitch, you dont fucken no me, don't start something you can't finish bitch, your a fucken homo ass bitch, were u at fucken hla mutherfucker
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You can't be serious, can you? Huh nigger boy?? :scared: :scared: Dude, go choke to death on some dick...These little kids sometimes, I swear to god...Don't try so hard Mr.Chewy small dick :eek: :lol: [ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-02-02 12:52 ]
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Chewy is a player! :lol:
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And you iz a hatah. Chewey, just don't bite. He's already used his best material, it won't get any better from here.
Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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Ginger, come on! This kid is an absolute geek!! Anyway Ging, wanna start a family baby?? ::kiss:: :wink:
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What's the point of going after a kid like that? He never did anything to you, he's not pro-HLA. What's your problem with him? Are you really that much of a dick that you feel the need to go after some kid you consider to be a "geek"?
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On 2006-02-02 15:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What's the point of going after a kid like that? He never did anything to you, he's not pro-HLA. What's your problem with him? Are you really that much of a dick that you feel the need to go after some kid you consider to be a "geek"?"
He talks like a wanna be thug, trying to act cool, talking about being a player and TRYING be accepted, so FUCK HIM, and FUCK YOU..You both can fuck off!
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Yeah, god forbid some kid try and be accepted. What a crime. You're right, you should smack him down, ya know with you being the king of cool and all. :roll:
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Bottom line, kids that go thru fucked up programs as we did, can see right thru the bullshit image that these little fucks try to portray, ok? It's annoying and I fucking hate it, so, in the kindest most possible way, baghead, go put a bullet thru your skull, you dick riding cocksucker.
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On 2006-02-02 16:06:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Bottom line, kids that go thru fucked up programs as we did, can see right thru the bullshit image that these little fucks try to portray, ok?
Yeah, so what? Big fucking deal. Means we can see right through you're bullshit too asswipe.
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What bullshit? That I hate fake ass nigger wanna be's and anonymous dick-riders? "Asswipe"!! :lol: Um, it's not 1986 anymore :lol: Go die, NOW!! :lol:
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Yeah, whatever. :roll:
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Could it be that you and Sir Chewy keep it real with the niggers in the hood by sucking dick for blow? Dickrider, stick up for youself,not some little wanna be tough guy on a message board that goes by the name Chewy none the less..Get a fucking life man.. :eek:
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On 2006-02-02 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah, whatever. :rofl: :lol:
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Yeah, we know. You're the fornits tough guy. You're the bad ass and you'll damn well stomp all over and verbally obliterate anyone you don't see as cool enough. Ok, whatever. Carry on. :roll:
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Do you always force your presence where you're obviously not wanted?
Do you come on here to take your daily frustrations out on other people?
What are you? The ex HLA wanna-be restrictions staff?
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On 2006-02-02 16:14:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-02-02 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah, whatever. :rofl: :lol: "
Wasn't meant to be witty. This stuff just gets tiresome and boring.
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Go blow Chewy, when he's done shooting his nigger wanna be spunk all over your face, Ill answer your retarded, generic-ass questions, ok? Thanks.
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Ask Dysfunction, I'm not about fucking with people unless they ask for it, ok? Now, fuck off dude!! :wave:
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You can't be serious, can you? Huh nigger boy?? Don't ever in your life try talking to me again until you complete your *Hooked On Phonics* work book, faggot.. geek ass nigger wanna-be... Your so tough, Im so scared! Dude, go choke to death on some dick...These little kids sometimes, I swear to god...Don't try so hard Mr.Chewy small dick :lol:
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On 2006-02-02 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Do you always force your presence where you're obviously not wanted?
Do you come on here to take your daily frustrations out on other people?
What are you? The ex HLA wanna-be restrictions staff?
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I think he's just a run of the mill angry asshole. The world's full of 'em. He's just another.
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On 2006-02-02 16:21:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Go blow Chewy, when he's done shooting his nigger wanna be spunk all over your face, Ill answer your retarded, generic-ass questions, ok? Thanks."
nope, not Chewy.
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Awww, I love you guys, deep down inside, I really do :wave:
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WORD IZ BOND YO, I IZ A PLAYA YO, MY NAME IS CHEWY, I RAN SHIT AT HLA YO, FOR ALL MY FALLEN SOLDIERZ YO, ONE LUV, HIT ME ON MY BOOST MOBILE YO WHERE YOU AT NIGGA? STAFF WUZ ASCARED OF ME YO, IM A TOUGH RICH WHITE KID YO... :rofl: :lol:
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On 2006-02-02 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Do you always force your presence where you're obviously not wanted?
Ask him what he does for a living. G'ahead, I dare ya! :rofl: It sucks when decent, hardworking people get screwed over like that. Because that means pricks like us don?t stand a chance.
Jim S. watching the devastation of the recent tsunami on the television at JR?s
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OK, I'll bite...What do you do for a living, Bus?
And what's the deal with another thread all fucked up with junk? Dude, show some personal restraint. I know it's not easy being the ultimate delinquent, especially when having to deal with wannabe gangsters, but WTF? I thought we got past this.
PLEASE, start another thread reserved especially for baiting and bashing. I have no doubts you'll get plenty of takers.
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On 2006-02-02 16:46:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"OK, I'll bite...What do you do for a living, Bus?
And what's the deal with another thread all fucked up with junk? Dude, show some personal restraint. I know it's not easy being the ultimate delinquent, especially when having to deal with wannabe gangsters, but WTF? I thought we got past this.
PLEASE, start another thread reserved especially for baiting and bashing. I have no doubts you'll get plenty of takers.
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Oh but didn't you see his response? Chewy annoys[/b] him. :roll: He's annoyed by this kid therefore it becomes his personal mission to seek out and destroy him.
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UMMM, What's wrong with my job, I'm a manager at a Hilton owned hotel! :wave:
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84k a year aint that bad..
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Yea, RIGHT. Post your IRS forms. Another big ole lie. Who'd pay you 84 Grand?
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Post your IRS forms.
Reality check! :lol:
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You kiddin' me? :rofl: I MIGHT post my most personal information such as a W-2 on this or ANY other site for that matter. Who the fuck would do that, retard? 84k, it's not THAT much, buddy...Get over it..Don't be jealous, get a better job! :eek:
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And, the cost of living in New Jersey is higher than most of the country, look that up too jerk-off..84k is alot of money, if you live in Arkasas like your ass does :lol:
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On 2006-02-02 17:43:00, Short Bus wrote:
"And, the cost of living in New Jersey is higher than most of the country, look that up too jerk-off..84k is alot of money, if you live in Arkansas like your ass does :lol: "
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First whoever says im a gangsta, 2ndly im so much better than you, what type of guy who works in a hilton has time to curse out a 19 yr old kid, your a fucken faggot for life, and yeah honestly i i had it the worst out of anybody at HLA, you don't know fucken me bitch, went to jail, HLA and did Ridge Creek 4 times muther fucker, yeah I think I'm tough and yeah madd girls liked me, and I got with madd of them to me yeah I was a player motherfucker, but now I;m in college have a girlfriend and alway's stay fresh so go fuck yourself, and your beat ass job. Your fucken pathetic because you can't stand that I've done it all and I'm that much better than you
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On 2006-02-02 16:59:00, Short Bus wrote:
"84k a year aint that bad.."
If this is what an Assistant General Manager gets paid, I doubt a General Manager gets that much more.
http://enet.hilton.com/jobs/careers.asp (http://enet.hilton.com/jobs/careers.asp)
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Does it really matter? An asshole is an asshole no matter how much he may or may not make.
I think he does something else part time too. He's mentioned it here before but I can't remember where.
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On 2006-02-03 05:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-02-02 16:59:00, Short Bus wrote:
"84k a year aint that bad.."
If this is what an Assistant General Manager gets paid, I doubt a General Manager gets that much more.
http://enet.hilton.com/jobs/careers.asp (http://enet.hilton.com/jobs/careers.asp)"
"You do not talk to me like that!! I work too hard to deal with this stuff!! I work too hard!! I'm a Division Manager in charge of 49 people!! I drive a Dodge Stratus!!"
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On 2006-02-03 05:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You do not talk to me like that!! I work too hard to deal with this stuff!! I work too hard!! I'm a Division Manager in charge of 49 people!! I drive a Dodge Stratus!!""
:rofl:
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On 2006-02-02 17:57:00, THE ONE (chewy) wrote:
"First whoever says im a gangsta, 2ndly im so much better than you, what type of guy who works in a hilton has time to curse out a 19 yr old kid, your a fucken faggot for life, and yeah honestly i i had it the worst out of anybody at HLA, you don't know fucken me bitch, went to jail, HLA and did Ridge Creek 4 times muther fucker, yeah I think I'm tough and yeah madd girls liked me, and I got with madd of them to me yeah I was a player motherfucker, but now I;m in college have a girlfriend and alway's stay fresh so go fuck yourself, and your beat ass job. Your fucken pathetic because you can't stand that I've done it all and I'm that much better than you "
I am confused. In an earlier post you made it sound like you ran the place and could get almost anything you wanted. I believe you used the word "untouchable". Now, you are saying that you had it worse than anyone and went to RCI four times. Which is it?
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Hey Truth.....are you ever gonna answer the plethora of questions that have been put to you?
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On 2006-02-02 16:57:00, Short Bus wrote:
"UMMM, What's wrong with my job, I'm a manager at a Hilton owned hotel! :wave: "
This one?
http://www.hiltonwoodclifflake.com/ (http://www.hiltonwoodclifflake.com/)
People can drop by when in Jersey and get a first hand glimpse of the coolest, most perfect human specimen to walk the planet.
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Bus, did you get a degree in Hospitality Management or something, or did you work your way up?
I find it terribly amusing that you work in the hospitality industry, yet you are as inhospitable as the surface of Mars. Interesting indeed...
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I was untouchable because no one ever got to me, i did me, like I said i did do what i wanted when i wanted to and i had everyhting i needed, but yeah i did have it the worst
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Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you just recently left HLA? As is...you left at the end of this past semester? You were here for 30 months? You are 19 years old?
Sorry man. Nobody matches the descriptions you have laid out. You are either exaggerating, lying or are out of touch with reality.
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On 2006-02-03 09:27:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you just recently left HLA? As is...you left at the end of this past semester? You were here for 30 months? You are 19 years old?
Sorry man. Nobody matches the descriptions you have laid out. You are either exaggerating, lying or are out of touch with reality."
Hey, are you gonna respond to those questions put up in your very own thread named for you or are you gonna continue to ignore them?
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Be patient.
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On 2006-02-03 09:27:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you just recently left HLA? As is...you left at the end of this past semester? You were here for 30 months? You are 19 years old?
Sorry man. Nobody matches the descriptions you have laid out. You are either exaggerating, lying or are out of touch with reality."
I hate to butt in in on such a scintillating conversation, but can I ask you one question, Truth? What degree do you hold?
Thanks.
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On 2006-02-03 09:32:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"Be patient."
OH MY GOD! He actually at least acknowledged that there are questions he's ignored. Who knows, maybe he'll answer after all. We can only hope.
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Hate to say it, but this Chewy guy is a lying, wanna-be tough guy who's begging for attention. It's good entertainment though, I must admit.
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Hey Hyde Troll,
Do you believe for a minute that anyone here is interested in your comments or opinions of other posters. Whadda YOU wannabe? When you grow up?
You're in Jersey, right? You and Shortbus should get together. You could 'whine' about the 'whiners'. Or discuss more pertinent topics such as Tiffany's "meat curtain" pussy (whatever that is) and gaping asshole.
Or fantasize about the whiners dying a terrible death and getting their filthy nuts chopped off.
Wouldn't that just be a gay ol time?
Bet you both drive corvettes- small dicks and insecure, wouldn't you say?
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On 2006-02-03 09:27:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you just recently left HLA? As is...you left at the end of this past semester? You were here for 30 months? You are 19 years old?
Sorry man. Nobody matches the descriptions you have laid out. You are either exaggerating, lying or are out of touch with reality."
I see. So this guy lying about his circumstances is more important to you then answering the questions that really matter?
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In the grand scheme of things, no, it is not more important.
Right now at this point in time, yes, it is more important to me.
I am not working on your time table.
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So what youre saying is you havent been able to come up with any good BS responses to those questions.
Its fine I understand youre working with a rather limited intelligence pool and these things take time.
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Now, Robert, I appreciate your efforts on this forum as much as anyone, but I don't think belittling HLA Truth is going to get him/her to answer our questions. Don't stoop to the level of the people you dealt with at HLA. You're better than that.
BTW, I'm surprised to see that you haven't posted anything in the thread where ShortBus was talking about his current occupation. I thought for sure you'd be all over that one. :smile:
Have a great weekend everyone!
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On 2006-02-03 09:35:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-02-03 09:27:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you just recently left HLA? As is...you left at the end of this past semester? You were here for 30 months? You are 19 years old?
Sorry man. Nobody matches the descriptions you have laid out. You are either exaggerating, lying or are out of touch with reality."
I hate to butt in in on such a scintillating conversation, but can I ask you one question, Truth? What degree do you hold?
Thanks.
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This answer should take all of ten seconds. Would you kindly spare ten seconds of your day?
Thank you.
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Good afternoon, ya fucks!! And Deb, nice to see your nasty comments are being posted anonymously :wink: Bitch.
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HLA Truth, answer the goddamn question already, jeeeeez...
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look how fucking pretty your hla school is. looks really hard there doesnt it. i bet u did cause some trouble you littlr trouble maker, u were a big tuff soldier in your hard school
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On 2006-02-04 14:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"look how fucking pretty your hla school is. looks really hard there doesnt it. i bet u did cause some trouble you littlr trouble maker, u were a big tuff soldier in your hard school"
Is this directed to that Chewy nuts character?
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this is directed to any pretty boy/girl bitch who complained about their stay at hla. because i have seen that place and u really dont know how much worse you could of had it. so be greatful because a lot of people would kill to be their right now
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On 2006-02-05 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"this is directed to any pretty boy/girl bitch who complained about their stay at hla. because i have seen that place and u really dont know how much worse you could of had it. so be greatful because a lot of people would kill to be their right now"
I'm guessing you're comparing HLA to some other program(s). We're comparing it to the real world. And let me tell you something, seriously. From all I've read and what I can extrapolate, HLA is, by far, less fucked up than some of these places. And I don't think I've ever seen a single alum or drop out say anything to the contrary.
That's one reason why I'm so interested in HLA. If ya'll could see how many of these allegedly drug addled, troubled kids are posting from their dorm rooms you'd laugh at those outrageous characterizations.
No, HLA didn't do half as good a job of scrambling your heads as a lot of the other places. Mark it up to incompetence or niavete, but the final result seems to be a bunch of bright and fairly competent young people who wittnessed how the Program works and got out w/ the lucidity and credibility to explain the process to an incredulous world.
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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On 2006-02-03 08:00:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Bus, did you get a degree in Hospitality Management or something, or did you work your way up?
I find it terribly amusing that you work in the hospitality industry, yet you are as inhospitable as the surface of Mars. Interesting indeed...
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Well, if you had grown up in a tourist economy or worked in the industry, you wouldn't be at all surprised.
I always hated floor work! Too much ass kissin' for me. I'd rather take min+ a couple bucks for back end work than deal w/ those caddy bitches just for the tips. Wanna hear some raw shit, man? Go to work as a prep cook!
My guess? Worked his way up w/ a little help from friends (only way in the hosp industry)
Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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On 2006-02-03 09:27:00, HLA Truth
On 2006-02-03 09:11:00, THE ONE (chewy) wrote:
"I was untouchable because no one ever got to me, i did me, like I said i did do what i wanted when i wanted to and i had everyhting i needed, but yeah i did have it the worst"
wrote:
"Maybe I am missing something. Did you say you ...
Aw, come on! If you want to casually change the subject like that, you have to wait awhile or at least till a few other ppl post to carry off the convincing effect that you just didn't take notice.
You need schoolin', darlin! And you won't get it there cause logic doesn't count where you are. Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Why I Live at the PO[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-02-05 19:39 ]
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Truth[sic], is it that you're waiting for a call back from Len or Joe to approve your response?
What kind of humanism expresses its reluctance to sacrifice military casualties by devastating the civilian economy of its adversary for decades to come?
Henry Kissinger
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i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be.
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On 2006-02-06 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be. "
Sure, prison is only as bad as you make it out to be as well. Torture camps, too. That's just not the point.
The point is that there is NO PURPOSE to these activities. There is nothing to be learned from them and they can be dangerous (ask the kid with the broken foot, or some of the others with permanent back damage or hernias). This is also not addressing the fact that the staff of HLA are currently stating on this board that this type of punishment is not being used - a blatant prevarication.
Now, let me ask you, if the staff that works there feels the need to lie about and cover up this practice, is it really on the up-and-up? I think not.
This begs the question of what else goes on there that is illegal/immoral/damaging/dangerous that they are lying about and covering up?
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On 2006-02-07 05:37:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-02-06 20:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i wish i could go there right now. the stuff really is funny. that kid was like, crying about having to carry boulders or broken up cement. That sounds like a rest compared to some shit i have been through. I really hate when the officials try to bring a place down just because some pussy kids complain about it. I was in a school that really did help and it is getting shut down for the exact same reason.
In high school wrestling, there are kids who puke, and then keep running, and its voluntary. Im not saying that that is how everyone should do things, im just saying that it is only as bad as you make it out to be. "
Sure, prison is only as bad as you make it out to be as well. Torture camps, too. That's just not the point.
The point is that there is NO PURPOSE to these activities. There is nothing to be learned from them and they can be dangerous (ask the kid with the broken foot, or some of the others with permanent back damage or hernias). This is also not addressing the fact that the staff of HLA are currently stating on this board that this type of punishment is not being used - a blatant prevarication.
Now, let me ask you, if the staff that works there feels the need to lie about and cover up this practice, is it really on the up-and-up? I think not.
This begs the question of what else goes on there that is illegal/immoral/damaging/dangerous that they are lying about and covering up?
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If a kid says that they have done work like this at HLA, I am not going to argue with them. All I can say is that it is not supposed to happen that way. All work that is done by students is supposed to have a purpose and I believe the vast majority of it does.
Here is the catch 22, however...I hear people say that kids should not do work that has no purpose while on restrictions. When kids do work that has purpose, however, people complain that HLA is having kids do work that improves upon the school and that that is illegal. There are complaints either way.
I would be interested in some suggestions of what type of work you think should be done on restriction.
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I would be interested in some suggestions of what type of work you think should be done on restriction
Well, work that improves the campus or enriches staff is actually illegal, so that should not even be on the table, ever.
Your question above leads me to ask you another question: What is the purpose of forced labor in the first place? It serves no therapeutic or educational purpose (surely you won't argue this point - one of the fundamental tenets of therapy is that it MUST BE VOLUNTARY), so why in the world are you doing it at all?
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This will just have to be a point that we have to disagree on. I have seen MANY kids who did not want to get outside and work. The complained about it, talked about how it was unfair, ect... but then an hour into it started finding the value in hard work and by the end of the project was very proud of what they accomplished. It was not voluntary, but it was very therapeutic. Sometimes kids have to be made to do something, before they see the inherant value in it. And no, I am not talking about the mind numbing, move this pile of wood from here to there and back again crap, I am talking about real work that has a purpose.
Again, I ask you, if they are going to do work, what work would you have them do? Do you see the catch 22?
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Again, I ask you, if they are going to do work, what work would you have them do? Do you see the catch 22?
Once more, see below. There should never be forced labor incorporated into any child's therapy, period.
I will vigorously disagree with you on the point that children need to be forced to engage in labor of any kind for any reason.
I will state categorically that there is NO SUCH THING AS FORCED THERAPY. That is called "re-education" or "forced indoctrination," not therapy.
The reason there is a "catch 22" is simple: It is ethically/professionally wrong to force children to perform labor as a component of "therapy."
What you're failing to grasp, Truth, is that your entire program, not just components of it, is a FAILURE. It is not based on any clinically proven or professionally accepted model. It is based on principles that have been fully renounced by every single professional society and organization. That's the long and short of it. Why don't you get that?
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Because, as I have already stated. I have seen it work for the positive too many times to say that it is a failure.
It is easy to use scary words like "forced indoctrination" to make it sound like some sort of sick cult. The reality is that many, not all, of these kids do not have any clue of what it means to actually do some hard work. Work- not brutal slave labor. This is something, if done correctly, that the kids can find some value in and make some positive changes for themselves with.
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Is that at least one of the reasons that HLA doesn?t want to be licensed by the state?
Moving boulders/cement, dragging a large pole around the field and doing push-ups if the pole stops moving, cleaning dumpster with a toothbrush, and the like are forced activities that are purely punishment.
Digging steps out of the side of the mountain, picking up trash, cleaning dumpster with a toothbrush, chopping wood, etc, enhance the property and would not be allowed if licensed. There is a reason for this. Programs can not use the kids as unpaid labor, or subject them to dangerous activities.
Can you cite one parenting expert that recommends useful work as punishment. Some even warn against ?rewarding? necessary work- laundry, cleaning, etc. How does ?work? as punishment foster a positive attitude toward necessary and satisfying work, much less a sense of cooperation and camaraderie?
I can?t see that any of the kids found ?inherent value? in the ?work? they were forced to do.
If anything they have developed a negative association with (aversion to) work, and to nature as well, due to the ?punishment? associated with being forced to spend time in nature- Ridge Creek.
How have you seen it work in a positive way? Compliance without complaint does not ensure that any value has been gain from the experience.
If I wanted to teach my children the value of work, that is not the way I would go about it.
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This is something, if done correctly, that the kids can find some value in and make some positive changes for themselves with.
"Done correctly," in terms of any therapy means "not forced." There just isn't any other way to say this. There is no such thing as "forced" therapy.
I also have no doubts that the "work" being performed falls largely into two categories: facility enrichment and mindless labor like moving rockpiles. I'm sorry, Truth, but that just doesn't jive with what you are saying about "meaningful work."
You will say that if this is happening, it shouldn't be. However, it is well-known that the children are generally "supervised" by uneducated, untrained staff that just don't know any better and when "the cat's away, the mice play."