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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: THE ONE (chewy) on January 24, 2006, 10:55:00 PM
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As a former student at HLA, i've been there, seen it all, was there 30 fucken months, and am now done. HLA didn't help me, i helped myself, my friends helped me and the counselors there that were on my side,some staff and my baseball and soccer coaches. MY own counselors couldn't have given 2 shits about me, the "higher-ups" if you would say were scared of me and thought I was a threat to campus. I guess you could say I was but it was only because I wasn't fucken fake at HLA, I did what I wanted, said what I wanted and nothing from that school scared me. John McMillan and Jeff you guys hated me, but guess what it didn't matter, I came put on top and am doing better than ever. You guy's and your system at HLA are so corrupt, it could be such a good school , but the fact that there are bullshit rules, counselors who can't have freindships with there kids, restrictions, lying to parents about really what happens, and cover-ups makes the school a fucken corrupt place. To me whats funny is that all the older kids you want to get rid of so you can bring in 12, 13, 14 yr. olds so you can make money off them, thats fucken pathetic. The fact that when I first got there u wouldn't accept suicidal kids, and now you do, to make money is pathetic. All I have to say is that HLA was a bullshit school and I saw everything that happened there. From staff getting with students, cover-ups, lying, manipulating parents, and lies, lies, lies, so I say if anyone has a kid, and needs answers to the truth please respond to this. I don't hate that I went to HLA, I had to go, it helped me, find myself, but I did all the work. I hate that HLA is full of shit.
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The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA. He did the work. He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him. He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him.
Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway. You're wrong in this case. He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit.
I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid. He'll tell you the truth.
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You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website. They have sued people. Believe it or not, they are still watching you.
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Thanks for posting, bro.
Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?
Sexual relations between staff and students:
-What do you know about this?
-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?
-How old were the victims? Under 16?
-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?
-What about kids having sex with eachother?
Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do?
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?
-How long were you on restrictions each time?
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)
-What about forced exercise? What kind/how much?
Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?
-How many hours each day did you attend classes?
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?
-What was the quality of HLA's study program?
-What percentage is "self-study"?
The program:
-Describe "realizations."
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?
-Talk about the seminars. Were you sleep deprived? Exercised to exhaustion? Deprived of regular meals and hydration?
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names? Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?
I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.
I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.
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On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:
"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website. They have sued people. Believe it or not, they are still watching you."
Post em all you want, nobody can sue you for posting names!
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On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:
"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website. They have sued people. Believe it or not, they are still watching you."
Now there's a shocking revelation. They've sued three people in the past six months that I know of, and probably some more that I don't.
They have several staff members who monitor this board day and night.
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On 2006-01-25 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA. He did the work. He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him. He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him."
That's great. I'd be proud of him too. One question though: why did he have to find people who wanted to help? Why didn't they just help him?
Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway. You're wrong in this case. He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit."
Again, why is there "lies and bullshit" going on there? What lies and what bullshit? Enlighten us. Why did your kid need to fight the system to succeed? Isn't that a little backwards, especially in light of the pricetag?
"I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid. He'll tell you the truth."
I agree wholeheartedly. Parents should not believe a single word of HLA's sales pitch.
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That's great. I'd be proud of him too. One question though: why did he have to find people who wanted to help? Why didn't they just help him?
I wish I knew.
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I'm a bit confused at HLA's logic. They post the names of the entire staff on their website. Why would they get upset when a staff member's name is posted elsewhere. It's public knowledge.
I'm starting to believe that HLA is as bad as - if not worse than - the other schools I have started researching.
Good luck to all you survivors and thanks for providing me with information. Adios!
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That's great. I'd be proud of him too. One question though: why did he have to find people who wanted to help? Why didn't they just help him?
I wish I could answer that question. That's what makes it all suck. But at least he's one "survivor" who actually survived.
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On 2006-01-25 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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That's great. I'd be proud of him too. One question though: why did he have to find people who wanted to help? Why didn't they just help him?
I wish I could answer that question. That's what makes it all suck. But at least he's one "survivor" who actually survived."
Again, great. It shows a lot about your kid's character.
What I'm not understanding is how you support a program that obviously did not even attempt to help your kid. He had to do it himself while he was hinderd by the program and staff.
I don't get that.
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On 2006-01-25 05:55:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:
"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website. They have sued people. Believe it or not, they are still watching you."
Now there's a shocking revelation. They've sued three people in the past six months that I know of, and probably some more that I don't.
They have several staff members who monitor this board day and night.
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Make that 4 and two in the past week. They are very busy with the suppression machine lately.
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On 2006-01-25 05:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 05:35:00, Exterior wrote:
"You shouldn't post names of HLA staff on this website. They have sued people. Believe it or not, they are still watching you."
Post em all you want, nobody can sue you for posting names! "
Yeah, this is true. They post their staff names on their own website. Evidently, they don't consider this confidential information. In some jurisdictions, school or program staff names are actually public record as a matter of law.
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
-- ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.
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Ok, getting back to the original topic:
On 2006-01-25 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The above post could have been written by my kid. He was at HLA. He did the work. He found the people there who were truly interested in helping him. He's an amazing person now. I'm incredibly proud of him.
Those of you out there who are only interested in bashing these places will say that he would have gotten better anyway. You're wrong in this case. He saw the truth despite the lies and the bullshit.
I encourage any parents out there who want to hear both sides of the HLA story from a recent student's point of view to contact this kid. He'll tell you the truth.
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At the end of the day, I think ya'll believe almost everything you say (except when you're being facetous, and I don't consider facetiousness to be a crime). But I think you're mistaken about a good many things.
In my opinion, it's just a nifty bit of slight of mind. As no one has a crystal ball that works, no one on the planet can say what would have happened had these kids not gone to HLA or any other BM program.
So saying that you sent your kid to a program is the reason he/she grew up and is doing well is about like saying the rooster's crowing caused the Sun to rise.
And, as the industry has not published studies on the methods and techniques used in this industry, no one can attribute cause and effect wrt the kids who are 'treated'. The only studies I know of that even address the question are one done by a Senate commission back in `74 which resulted in all federal funding for such experimental treatments be contingent on having consent forms signed by parents and clients specifically stating that they know they're undergoing dangerous experimental treatment. The other one just came out recently. It was done by National Institute of Mental Health, I do believe, and suggests that this form of treatment is inneffective in the long term and can be harmful.
I don't think anyone's angry over the fact that HLA and other programs in the industry do market research. I think DJ is a little frustrated over your seeming obtuseness over the difference between market research and clinical research.
God is the...refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find no sanctuary in His arms, but...a kind of superiority, soothing to their...egos: He will set them above their betters.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher
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On 2006-01-25 05:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Thanks for posting, bro.
Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?
Sexual relations between staff and students:
-What do you know about this?
-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?
-How old were the victims? Under 16?
-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?
-What about kids having sex with eachother?
Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do?
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?
-How long were you on restrictions each time?
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)
-What about forced exercise? What kind/how much?
Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?
-How many hours each day did you attend classes?
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?
-What was the quality of HLA's study program?
-What percentage is "self-study"?
The program:
-Describe "realizations."
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?
-Talk about the seminars. Were you sleep deprived? Exercised to exhaustion? Deprived of regular meals and hydration?
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names? Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?
I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.
I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.
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I guess we're not going to get the answers to these questions from the recent attendee of HLA. He's been served and won't be posting.
Anyone else care to pick up the yoke for this poor boy and answer these questions?
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Yer shittin me!
Talk about it and let the truth find its own way.
Some Joker
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I guess we're not going to get the answers to these questions from the recent attendee of HLA. He's been served and won't be posting.
Anyone else care to pick up the yoke for this poor boy and answer these questions?
You're postive about that? Can we see proof? This is just fascinating.
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I would like to see proof of this as well. Do you have proof DJ?
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On 2006-01-26 10:07:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I would like to see proof of this as well. Do you have proof DJ?"
1. I don't care what you want. You are of no concern to me whatsoever.
2. Go ask your boss. He's the one filing the suits.
3. Documents will be made available as they become available. Ginger posts them when she's provided copies.
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On 2006-01-26 10:24:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-26 10:07:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I would like to see proof of this as well. Do you have proof DJ?"
1. I don't care what you want. You are of no concern to me whatsoever.
2. Go ask your boss. He's the one filing the suits.
3. Documents will be made available as they become available. Ginger posts them when she's provided copies.
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How do you know this happened? Where did you hear it from?
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I'll tell you what. Why don't you post up all of the names of the kids and staff you know you have sued and I'll tell you which one he is.
Stop asking me for information that you can ask your boss for.
Post the names of the people you have sued and we'll go from there.
How many is it now in the past few months? Six?
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I have no clue who the school sue or doesn't sue. That has nothing to do with my role in the school. The only time I hear anything about that kind of stuff is on this board.
It seems like you just made this up out of thin air and are now trying to divert the question of how you know that this child has been served papers.
You didn't make this up did you? Surely you have some evidence or can at least site your source.
The question remains...How do you know this?
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I'm not surprised they'd give the staff the mushroom treatment. The whole point of a Why I Live at the PO (http://art-bin.com/art/or_weltypostoff.html)
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I have no clue who the school sue or doesn't sue.
Well, I'd suggest that you go find out so you can be a little more honest. I thought you told the truth about HLA? Apparently not.
Ginger has already posted the information for Marla (you remember her, right?) and Overlordd (the one you say made "terrorist threats" but you only used a civil remedy and made no report to the police). Do you now deny you sued those two?
How about George C. who offered his paperwork on his myspace site. Are you now denying that you sent that service?
How about the demand letter to Max K? Similarly in denial about that, too?
Gimme a break, lady. You know good and goddamn well how your business is operating. You simply don't tell the truth about any of it.
When more documents are made available to me I will be sure they're posted for your perusal. In the meantime stop your lame denials quit prevaricating about the facts. It's annoying.
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I have denied nothing about HLA suing people. I said that I learn about suits from this board not from HLA. I am not included in that decision making, and the legal business of the school is not announced to everyone.
Again, you are diverting from the question. How did you learn that this particular student has been served papers? Or, were just throwing out a random comment to stir things up? You are big on demanding that questions be answered. Why don't you do the same and answer a question when it is proposed to you.
Also, I never denied that this young man was served papers. Maybe he was. I just want to make sure you are telling the truth and not just causing a stir where there is none.
Again, where did you get your information?
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Again, where did you get your information?
This is none of your business.
If you're that curious, go to your county courthouse and pull the records yourself.
People with whom I talk privately give me information regarding demand letters and lawsuits filed. The fact of the matter is that your business has been shooting off quite a few demand letters and SLAPP suits. Do you deny this after at least three have been made publicly available in the past three months?
Why don't you answer some questions?
Why are you suing patients and staff? How do you feel you can sue people into submission to prevent them from telling their side of the story? Why do you think this OK to do to some poor kid that you've already screwed up with your shitty program? What type of Orwellian control freaks are you?
I hope you realize that every time you sue a minor patient you destroy your own reputation. I'M not doing it. YOU are. By your own hand.
I've said many times that I would be satisfied just to see you people telling the truth and moving toward fixing your obvious problems. Instead of doing that you troll this board relentlessly day and night fishing for information which you then use to file suit. HOW FUCKED UP IS THAT, HLA Truth?
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All I am asking is for you to answer a simple question. Obviously you are not willing to do so.
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All of the information is available at your county courthouse where you filed. Go there, pay the fee, make copies and do whatever you want with them.
Where the information comes from is none of your business. You've been told where to get it yourself, but you are obviously too lazy to do so. Why should anyone do the work for you?
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On 2006-01-26 12:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All I am asking is for you to answer a simple question. Obviously you are not willing to do so."
Answer these. You haven't answered anything but you want your questions answered. Answer these questions.
Why are you suing patients and staff? How do you feel you can sue people into submission to prevent them from telling their side of the story? Why do you think this OK to do to some poor kid that you've already screwed up with your shitty program? What type of Orwellian control freaks are you?
Stop asking others to give you information you can get yourself for a short drive and a small fee. Answer the questions asked of you.
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Awww, lil HLA is watching this board? Im so scared :scared: :scared: :lol:
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What's up DJ my brother..
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Hey, SB. Yeah today the people athat are filing the lawsuits and sending the demand letters are insisting that I document it, even though they know full well what they're doing. I told her to drive her lazy ass down to the courthouse, pay the fee, make copies and post it herself. She's too lazy to do the work.
I feel bad for you if you had to endure utter retards like HLA Truth while you were there. It's downright painful. I can't imagine what it must have been like for you since you can't ignore her like I can.
Did you have idiots like this in your face all the time?
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More often than not, that's for sure.
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How long were you there, dude?
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11 months.
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Or as Brucey Bee says, I was never in HLA at all! :lol:
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On 2006-01-26 10:51:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I have no clue who the school sue or doesn't sue. That has nothing to do with my role in the school. The only time I hear anything about that kind of stuff is on this board.
It seems like you just made this up out of thin air and are now trying to divert the question of how you know that this child has been served papers.
You didn't make this up did you? Surely you have some evidence or can at least site your source.
The question remains...How do you know this?"
To avoid any confusion, I was sent this by a trusted source:
Posted: 2006-01-25 10:31
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"Well, J******* and that new kid, C**** that I know of. Here's the thing, they probably don't have a case..." (remainder edited by DJ)
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Since I received this, the source realized they had transposed one of the names with another username. When they reported "C****," they actually meant "M******."
I followed up and found this to be the case.
(Sorry to C****'s dad, you're not getting a letter - at least not yet. Didn't mean to get you worried or anything.)
So the tally doesn't change, but there was a mistake in reporting one of the usernames.
Hope this clears up the error.
So, no, I didn't make anything up. It was an honest mistake by the person who provided it to me. They have definitely served M******.
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On 2006-01-26 14:26:00, Short Bus wrote:
"11 months."
Why so "short," Bus? :lol:
Did you get yanked?
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You know it !
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Tell HLA to come and get ME.
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On 2006-01-26 14:41:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-26 10:51:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"I have no clue who the school sue or doesn't sue. That has nothing to do with my role in the school. The only time I hear anything about that kind of stuff is on this board.
It seems like you just made this up out of thin air and are now trying to divert the question of how you know that this child has been served papers.
You didn't make this up did you? Surely you have some evidence or can at least site your source.
The question remains...How do you know this?"
To avoid any confusion, I was sent this by a trusted source:
Posted: 2006-01-25 10:31
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"Well, J******* and that new kid, C**** that I know of. Here's the thing, they probably don't have a case..." (remainder edited by DJ)
_________________________________________________
Since I received this, the source realized they had transposed one of the names with another username. When they reported "C****," they actually meant "M******."
I followed up and found this to be the case.
(Sorry to C****'s dad, you're not getting a letter - at least not yet. Didn't mean to get you worried or anything.)
So the tally doesn't change, but there was a mistake in reporting one of the usernames.
Hope this clears up the error.
So, no, I didn't make anything up. It was an honest mistake by the person who provided it to me. They have definitely served M******.
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BTW, if you know who M****** is, you'll notice that many of his posts are now gone, due to his "legal problem."
So before you say anything about it being "made up out of thin air," anyone who has read what this kid wrote will see that all of the things that he posted about particular details of his incarceration have been removed entirely.
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On 2006-01-26 14:47:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Tell HLA to come and get ME."
They'll send Marty for you. These gutless bastards can't do anything that takes a spine, like answer any questions honestly (or at all), so they send Marty to do the dirty work.
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This is out of control, man. HLA is PARANOID :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :lol:
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And furthermore, any and all who work at HLA can suck my fucking bird! :wave:
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What were your parents' reasons for taking you out of there?
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*CESSPOOL*
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What do you mean? What kinds of specific things?
I'm curious because you would have been there not too long after I left.
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99'?
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Don't get me wrong, I think alot of people are dramatic with the complaints and such, it was't THAT bad a place by any means, just some corruption, lies, things like that. No physical or sexual abuse of any kind...
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just some corruption, lies, things like that
Yeah, we know how you hate the drama queens.
What kinds of things are you talking about?
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The double-standards set by most staff members. The horrible food ( no big deal though ). It seemed as if they would tell me one thing, and go and tell my old man another. Shit like that.
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I hear ya. They are cetainly WAY better manipulators than any of you kids were. Some of those staff need to be put through the program themselves. They'd be on restriction non-stop and without end.
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Wheres my favorite pussy at?
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No idea. Haven't seen him on all day. I like the way you show him love.
I give him his propers, though. He stands up for what he thinks is right and doesn't take shit from the MANY people who attack him relentlessly.
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I hafta agree with you on that one, although he gets on my nerves, I do love the little nigger! :smile:
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God bless both of you. You're a couple of characters. So I guess Brucey Bee is comin' to AC...?
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He would never, although I would welcome him anytime, I'm sure he's an alright cat in the real world.
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What county do you live in?
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Yup, from all I've read on it, I'd say HLA is far from the worst of the worst of them, but nowhere near benign either.
But it's not a matter of weeding out the bad seed to improve the variety. I think the entire concept is flawed at it's core. I don't even care to discuss any more the nitty gritty specific overt abuses that necessarily grow out of this mix.
People respond differently to it, but just look at the tone and temper of the Program devout. They hate kids! No, it's not toughlove, they seem to take sheer pleasure in frightening, and humiliating them. Just like all the other totalitarian TC's I've ever heard of, the only way for a captive to get along is either to resist openly and take the abuse or to humor the bastards. The trouble is that kids, even more than adults (but not by much) tend to over-estimate their own mental integrity and autonomy.
We like to think we're thinking clearly and logically and basing all of our conclusions on sound logic. But really, we believe much of whatever people around us tend to believe. We do reality checks all the damned time. Even watching the same show can be a completely different experience depending on how the audience is composed.
The big trouble w/ the TC model, in my view, is not that it's so innefective at changing the behaviors they set out to change, it's that it's extremely effective at changing people's beliefs. Put a kid in an unnaturally isoleted environment surrounded by people who sincerely believe the worst imaginable things about kids in general and, moreso, kids who "did the necessary things" (poor choice in parents) to get sent to them and, guess what folks, the kid might come to fucking believe it!!!! That alone might account for a lot of the suicides among Program vets.
All religion is dumb. It's one big story they're feeding you so you'll behave on Earth. If there is a god, then he's a prick.
--Howard Stern, American radio personality
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On 2006-01-26 16:23:00, Short Bus wrote:
"He would never, although I would welcome him anytime, I'm sure he's an alright cat in the real world."
I would bet that you're right. These forums can be really misleading because you can't hear voices or see expressions and everything becomes completely literal, and that's not how humans gather most of their information. It's unnatural.
You know I can't tell you where I live on here. I just changed my number and I'm moving to another state soon. You want me getting served next, bro? Suffice it to say I'm close enough to AC where we can get together and gamble some cash.
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So, how the fuck are we gonna hit up the tables if I don't know where you are!?
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Tell you what, son. I'm really busy with work this month and have to go California, Japan and Hong Kong in February plus an ice-fishing weekend the last week of the month in northern Vermont. So that leaves March to think about hitting the casinos.
Once my schedule gets cleared I'll give you a number where you can get hold of me and we'll set the trip, ok? Fair enough? I'll grab my brother on the way and we'll have at it.
I just can't give out my particulars on this board because there are some really sick individuals head-hunting me.
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Sounds like a plan, and I understand where you're coming from with the posting of info and shit, esp with the fruit-loops that "work" at HLA.
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Alright then, my man. I'm quittin' fer tonite. I'll get back to you later.
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Take it easy dude..
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DJ - please check your PMs. One more favor to ask. Thanks!
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All wishes have been granted...
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On 2006-01-25 05:36:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Thanks for posting, bro.
Can I ask you some questions to clarify some issues being poo-pooed by HLA Truth, the marketing arm of HLA?
Sexual relations between staff and students:
-What do you know about this?
-Which staff (names/positions) were "getting with" patients?
-How old were the victims? Under 16?
-How did HLA deal with employees who were brought to their attention for innapropriate relationships with patients?
-What about kids having sex with eachother?
Restrictions:
-What kind of work did you do?
-Did you ever do any maintenance work (repairing buildings/filling potholes/landscaping)?
-How long were you on restrictions each time?
-What did your diet consist of while on restrictions?
-Did you do meaningless work like moving rockpiles?
-Did you ever perform services that directly enriched staff (cutting wood for their homes, etc)
-How was your schooling handled while on restrictions? (HLA claims academics to be its primary purpose)
-What about forced exercise? What kind/how much?
Your education:
-Did you earn a high school diploma while at HLA?
-How many hours each day did you attend classes?
-Were you ever removed from class and forced to exercise during school time?
-What was the quality of HLA's study program?
-What percentage is "self-study"?
The program:
-Describe "realizations."
-Were you ever forced to confess any "misdeeds" under the threat of punishment?
-Were you ever punished as a group for the mistake of an individual?
-Talk about the seminars. Were you sleep deprived? Exercised to exhaustion? Deprived of regular meals and hydration?
-Were you ever told you needed to be "broken down and rebuilt"?
-Did counselors ever curse at you or demean you by calling you vulgar names? Did they do this to all the kids (slut/whore/asshole, etc)?
I have a lot more issues that require more attention from a first-hand recent participant, but I don't want to go crazy here with too much to start.
I'll be looking forward to your responses and thank you in advance.
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DJ, you've been a great help. I'll keep you posted.
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HLA truth there are still a number of questions you havent answered either.