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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 12:07:00 PM
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I been thinkin' lately...'bout what's goin' on 'n' such...'bout what's been happenin' here ...an' there...
I was standin' an' thinkin' all this an' havin' reflections 'n' such...then I pictured 2 people talking face to face together...
I like it when people get along...I think people should work things out amongst an' between themselves...I don' much care for middlemen and clergy and teachers and ya kno-ohh...all those authority.
I think its a shame that we even have to have laws. I don' like em. Laws are whats oppressed me all my life.
I went to bed last night thinkin' 'bout all the abuse i've suffered. Now I know it's on me. I got to stop dreamin' out da winda at sweetness and just get the dishes done.
I see how authority controls and decieves. I see the sickness in the heard. Lord let me cut it out like the Wolf.
I was too young and strong for them to control so I was isolated out and sent away to the institution, I am a threat. I was looking for the wild but I was put in a cage. That's where we met.
My ol' mans' ol
man was a vet of WW2. When he came home from the war he had to split out west. he was cruel many times to my father when my father was just a little boy. His dad left him and his brother and his mother and went out west and drank himself into the desert. He's buried in Palm Springs.
My dad never liked no alcohol 'cause he's seen so much of it so young. He went to Northwestern and Harvard and joined the Navy as an officer back in like 1963. Durin' Vietnam he was stationed in Saigon, and after the war we had a family of about 6 Vietnamese refugees livin' with us in our house for like 6 months 'till they could get a place in Oakland. I remeber how half the people I knew back then were Vietnamese, when I was a little kid in California.
...Anyway...what I was tryin' ta say was that I see how authority works. I see that I got ever't'in I ever needed already in me once I was weened for a little while. And I begin to grow and to grow strong and true and brave, and I stood up to what was false and what was a manipulation and a deception and an injustice...
...Not that I am or ever was some angel or nothin, far from it I reckon, but none the less I see.
That's why I was sent to $tr8 in the 1st place...because I am chaos and they want control. The whole "War On Drugs" thing is just a pretext to establish these brainwash/mind-rape re-acculturation institutions. It is just another form of oppression. They(Authority;The Law) have no democratic values. If they did $tr8 wouldn't exist.
Authority wants to either bend you over and rape you into servitude and slavery or debillitate you into dependency.
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Wake Up and Live Ya'll...Wake Up An' Live!!
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So you gonna tune into that Steelers game today?
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On 2006-01-22 09:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So you gonna tune into that Steelers game today? "
Born to it.
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Cool, bro. See you there.
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i spoke to you awhile ago pirate. interesting hearing your father's stories. want to bet a doobie on the steelers game?
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quit followin' me all over the goddamn boards.
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first time i looked in weeks. free country, free forum. i went back to reading books.
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I keep thinking, "What is my solution? What is the way to address our failing culture?
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On 2006-01-25 04:41:00, dragonfly wrote:
"I'm thinking more and more that juvenile "delinquents" are this cultures canaries in the coal mines.
I'm thinking that when a teen sees the lies and double standards and BS that adult reality entails it might be healthy to rebel rather desperately.
And if you are committed to being true to yourself, to what you sense as true, and begin going against this sick society and come to believe that that is the only way to be true it can get out of hand.
But what about honoring the delenquents sense of truth? what about empowering the rebel?
I keep thinking, "What is my solution? What is the way to address our failing culture?
I have a grand vision of developing a curriculum for child prisoners, like an art school in place of prison. Teach them to create. It's all rosy glasses and all but I am pursuing this vision and telling folks about it who work with youth at risk etc.
Any thoughts are welcome. "
Dreams
by Langston Hughes
Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.
Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.
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There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose dick was so long he could suck it
He said with a grin
As he wiped off his chin,
"If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it!"
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Lord Obnoxio -- the most arrogant man alive!!
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There once was a man from Nantucket,
Whose dick was so long he could suck it
He said with a grin
As he wiped off his chin,
"If my ear was a cunt I would fuck it!"
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On 2006-01-25 04:41:00, dragonfly wrote:
"I'm thinking more and more that juvenile "delinquents" are this cultures canaries in the coal mines.
I'm thinking that when a teen sees the lies and double standards and BS that adult reality entails it might be healthy to rebel rather desperately.
And if you are committed to being true to yourself, to what you sense as true, and begin going against this sick society and come to believe that that is the only way to be true it can get out of hand.
But what about honoring the delenquents sense of truth? what about empowering the rebel?
I keep thinking, "What is my solution? What is the way to address our failing culture?
I have a grand vision of developing a curriculum for child prisoners, like an art school in place of prison. Teach them to create. It's all rosy glasses and all but I am pursuing this vision and telling folks about it who work with youth at risk etc.
Any thoughts are welcome. "
Art School in place of a prison :lol: :lol: Yeah finger painting will really help that little 16 year old bastard that beat my grannys head in with a bat for $2.00 fucking dollars. Oh here you little methed out gang banger make a clay pot you will feel much better.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=33&29 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5904&forum=33&29)
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Feel..Need..Be....Create ::fuckoff:: ::both::
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Hey do ya think some finger paints and clay could make old Miller Newton a good guy?? :wstupid:
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Maybe if someone jammed it down his fucking throat.
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Well, take one of my heroes for instance. Ozzy Osbourne, as a boy he was a delinquent, always in trouble an' challenging authority. He could 'a easily ended up doin' lots 'a time in jail and mental institutions, would'a' been a prime candidate for a place like $tr8, but instead he directed his energy into art and became a singer/songwriter and went on to front one of the greatest rock bands of all time, Black Sabbath.
I know Ozzy aint the healthiest example, but think where he'd a been without rock-n-roll.
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Good point, but Ozzy never brutally murdered anything but a chicken or whatever.. :lol:
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That is precisely my point. Because Ozzy is a disturbed cat. Instead of becoming some crazy criminal or potential murderer he just became a crazy rock star instead.
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He became both...well, he murdered animals. Do you really think that Ozzy would have started murdering people if he hadn't become the singer for BS?
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Well, I don't know. I am not a full on expert on Ozzy but he was a hero of mine before I was in $tr8 and remains one to this day. I 've read many an article about him, seen him perform once in '84. He is definately twisted in some ways. If it wern't for his talent as a singer/songwriter I think it's safe to say he would'a' had a much harder time in this society. I have no idea whether he would 'a' ever murdered anyone. But I recognize him as semi-sociopath and pretty much figure if it weren't for rock-n-roll he'd 'a' spent a lot more time in jails an' institutions.
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We all have our part to play. The truth of the juvenile delinquent should be honored. Perhaps his insight is medicine to a sick society.
Does listenin' to ol' Black Sabbath heal you ??
::drummer:: ::rocker:: ::dove::
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Die Young
Ooh!
Gather the wind, though the wind won't help you fly at all
Your back's to the wall
Chain the sun, and it tears away (and it breaks) you as you run, you run, you run
Behind the smile, there's danger and a promise to be told:
You'll never get old - ha!
Life's fantasy - to be locked away and still to think you're free,
You're free, we're free
So live for today, but tomorrow never comes
Die young, die young
Can't you see the writing in the end?
Die young, gonna die young
Someone stopped the (fall/fair)
Ahhahahahahaa
Gather the wind, though the wind won't help you fly at all
Your back's to the wall
Then chain the sun, and it tears away, (and it breaks) you as you run, you run, you run
So live for today, but tomorrow never comes
Die young, young
Die young, die young
Die young, die young, young
Die young, die young, die young, die young, die young, die young,
Die young!
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On 2006-01-25 04:41:00, dragonfly wrote:
"I have a grand vision of developing a curriculum for child prisoners, like an art school in place of prison. Teach them to create. It's all rosy glasses and all but I am pursuing this vision and telling folks about it who work with youth at risk etc.
Any thoughts are welcome. "
Somewhere etched in some crevice of my memory I recall that in ancient Rome there was a carving atop of some building. Inscribed into the stone was something that said to the effect..."We must do something with our young, they are outta control."
What this sez to me is, that from early on in mankinds history...our youth have always been a problem...or rather, seen as a problem. A problem that needed to be dealth with in some way or another.
Dragonfly, ya know it would be real easy to spin this thread as we have with recent ones and involve ourselves in some deep philosophical discussion. I will refrain....ahem
I share your vision, or at least have a vision that parallels yours. My vision includes starting a 5013c, a non-profit. What I see doing is getting a bank of computers (20-25) and younger folks 16-24. What I would do is to expose them to digital art. Yeah, of course they would be encourage to express them selves as they see fit...then of course take them to a point of showing thier art, selling thier art and lqater build it into an actual guild for young digital artists.
This will not only enable them to create, but in order to create they would by default learn a viable skill...Use of a computer, for more than games/chat etc.
Pipe dream? Not really....Do a search on Community Technology Centers. I voluntered for a Family Neighborhood Center, they loved the idea...problem, they specified thier efforrts to young families and infant care etc. Definately not my target... It's a doable thing.
Will see what unfolds........
Namaste
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On 2006-01-25 11:42:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
Does listenin' to ol' Black Sabbath heal you ??
I like the song, "Killing Yourself To Live." Cool song..Frank.
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I'm outta bud now...smokin' some leaf here. :grin:
What's that on Frank ??
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On 2006-01-25 17:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"(http://http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002KET.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)"
One of my very favorite albums. Best of times and memories.
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On 2006-01-25 17:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"(http://http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002KET.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)"
One of my very favorite albums. Best of times and memories.
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I'll B lookin' for it at the record mart. :skull:
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Dragonfly, there are people reforming prisons and juvenile prisons/punishment ideas, all over the place. I tried to find something for you, I think you can find a good article on the 8th Step website(does someone else have the new url for that site?) Also do some searches, I bet there are people in your hometown that are working on this problem. There are probably even whole books about it.
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On 2006-01-26 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dragonfly, there are people reforming prisons and juvenile prisons/punishment ideas, all over the place. I tried to find something for you, I think you can find a good article on the 8th Step website(does someone else have the new url for that site?) Also do some searches, I bet there are people in your hometown that are working on this problem. There are probably even whole books about it."
http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/index.html (http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/index.html)
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