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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: joe dirt on January 22, 2006, 10:40:00 AM
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Where are students from, and how are they referred to HLA?
Our students are from all across the country and even from outside the USA, South America, Canada, Grand Cayman, etc. Most are referred by educational consultants, although in some cases a child's parents have done their own research and decided that HLA fits their child's needs. Our students are not court-ordered to HLA and do not include violent or severely disturbed children.
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No,in fact it's a blatant lie. HLA does accept court-ordered kids. Their staff have come on this site and admitted as much. One says she mailed out progress reports to probation officers and another said outright they do take mandated kids.
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Unless things have dramatically changed yes it is very much a lie.
They not only accept court ordered kids but the majority of those kids are sent there for violent offenses.
Now the HLA puppets will tell you they dont really accept court ordered kids, because the kid has a choice between jail or HLA.
But common sense will tell you they are playing with semantics and they do in fact take court ordered kids. In fact they encourage it because it is that much harder for a court ordered kid to get pulled.
In fact in my experience they not only accept them, but they will often try and get non court ordered kids court ordered once they arrive.
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From the thread "Court Ordered..HLA"
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#156114 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9253&forum=41&start=20#156114)
It is not actually a lie. What a judge will often do is suspend a childs sentence until they complete the program. If the family does not want to take this alternative, the child will then be ordered to a locked facility. Judges often like to give this option for kids who have committed a minor crime but obviously do not belong in a locked facility. That is why they offer HLA as an OPTION, not an order.
Kids will come in saying, and possibly truly thinking, that they are court ordered, when technically that is not the case.
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Exactly.
Its just playing with semantics, nothing more.
In fact I doubt even the judges who send the kids there would call it anything other than court ordered.
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On 2006-01-22 07:40:00, joe dirt wrote:
"Where are students from, and how are they referred to HLA?
Our students are from all across the country and even from outside the USA, South America, Canada, Grand Cayman, etc. Most are referred by educational consultants, although in some cases a child's parents have done their own research and decided that HLA fits their child's needs. Our students are not court-ordered to HLA and do not include violent or severely disturbed children.
-from the hla website"
When I worked there, they certainly did accept court-ordered kids. Some of those kids were severly disturbed and violent.
Recent attendees have stated that there are, in fact, many court ordered kids there right now. Some allegedly are multiple violent felons, some ivolved with very serious gang violence.
I wouldn't put too much stock in what they put on their website, either. This place is well-known to be a fountain of misinformation. Many of their staff come into this forum and make outright, demonstrably false statements, but then they won't answer any of the questions people ask for clarification - they just disappear.
Their marketing director is a frequent poster here, they have teachers post, and some others claiming not to be affiliated with the school, posing as satisfied customers, but who are later revealed to be counseling staff. Most of the time, they post anonymously for sole purpose of eroding the credibility of their detractors by making up outrageous lies about them, bashing them relentlessly while steadfastly avoiding serious questions about their program.
If you want to get completely scammed out of a ton of cash, by all means, sign your kid up for this $7000.00 per month unlicensed treatment center.
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I keep seeing the number $7000 a month thrown around. Where is everyone getting that ammount?
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On 2006-01-22 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I keep seeing the number $7000 a month thrown around. Where is everyone getting that ammount?"
Obviously out of thier asses! That's not the correct amount.
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Oh its not?
It must be higher by now.
7000.00 a month tuition was the going rate up until a few months ago but Buch has to adjust for all the great things he gives kids like water fountains and such so God only knows how high it is now.
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6700.00 a month dipshit.
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On 2006-01-22 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"6700.00 a month dipshit."
So then the original estimate of $7000/mo. was pretty accurate. $7000/mo. to run your kid's mind through a blender. Lovely.
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No, accurate would be $7000.00 you fucking retard.
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Its not 20 dollars its 19.95.
idiot.
:lol:
Care to address how insanely unreasonable and high that price is?
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On 2006-01-22 19:03:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Oh its not?
It must be higher by now.
7000.00 a month tuition was the going rate up until a few months ago but Buch has to adjust for all the great things he gives kids like water fountains and such so God only knows how high it is now. "
You have no clue of what you are talking about. Tuition is currently 5300 per month, though I believe it will soon be going up to 5700. You are 1700 off. You say that doesn't matter, but if someone from HLA were on here saying it were 1700 LESS than the actual tuition you would be having a fit.
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And BTW... Hidden Lake gave families over 250,000 dollars in scholarships last year. 10% of the families go there for free.
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Oh Shortbus, what would you know about tuition?
It couldn't be $5300. It was $5500 in 2000. And that was pre-paid for the full program.
And how much for all the extras and incidentals?
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On 2006-01-22 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And BTW... Hidden Lake gave families over 250,000 dollars in scholarships last year. 10% of the families go there for free."
Shortbus,
No way 17.5 are attending gratis?
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I wouldnt be so quick to blame that one on Short Bus.
It was in all likelyhood Cybie or Kathleen or some other lap dog.
Irregardless the information is a lie, we are correct in our original assesment. The tuition is closer to 7,000 per month.
But even if we werent are you really going to argue that even 5,000 is reasonable per month?
Whats the tuition like at Ridge Creek?
Is it just as fair and reasonable?
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Also I wonder since you want to laud Buch for his generosity in giving the poor disenfranchized children a chance to be brainwashed, would something like his giving scholarships be tax deductible?
Are those returns part of public record?
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The tuition for both HLA and RidgeCreek are currently 5,700, not including psychiatrist fees, and other incidentals like tolietries.
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TRue: 5700. per month plus 1,300. for unifroms
that are difficult to get a full set of( many
children wore 'loaner trousers ') even though they paid the full amount for uniforms..Plus
Phsyche fees, 600.00 non-refundable for computer
usage, 3months non-refundable tuition(legality?)
we shall see.Plus toiletries, medicine, other
Physician visits...
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They do give these, but if you remove your child early, they rescind the scholarship and charge you
all the way back to the enrollment date, also keeping all tuition paid for ahead of time,
plus 3months non-refundable. Do not pay tuition
for the year up-front, if you remove your child,
their creative accounting will not allow you to receive a total 'just' refund. THey manipulate that...Legal, again, we will see.[ This Message was edited by: juniper2 on 2006-01-22 22:04 ]
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All this is true. My child was given"loaner" clothes. Every month it seems like the costs increase for incidentals.
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On 2006-01-22 14:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I keep seeing the number $7000 a month thrown around. Where is everyone getting that ammount?"
Obviously out of thier asses! That's not the correct amount. "
Tuition + uniforms = $7000.00/mo (not including all the "extras" like therapy, etc.).
Who's lying?
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On 2006-01-22 21:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The tuition for both HLA and RidgeCreek are currently 5,700, not including psychiatrist fees, and other incidentals like tolietries."
How in the world is "therapy" an extra in a so-called "therapeutic boarding school"? What's the other $7000.00 per month for? Room and board? My 4000 square foot house costs far less than half of that per month and my grocery bill sure isn't $3000.00 per month.
Sounds like a pure rip-off!
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On 2006-01-22 22:03:00, juniper2 wrote:
"They do give these, but if you remove your child early, they rescind the scholarship and charge you
all the way back to the enrollment date, also keeping all tuition paid for ahead of time,
plus 3months non-refundable.
So, am I understanding that the 'scholarship' is a kind of 'discount', provided your child completes the program?
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On 2006-01-23 05:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 14:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-22 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I keep seeing the number $7000 a month thrown around. Where is everyone getting that ammount?"
Obviously out of thier asses! That's not the correct amount. "
Tuition + uniforms = $7000.00/mo (not including all the "extras" like therapy, etc.).
Who's lying?"
Kids are not getting a new set of uniforms every month. If they are, it is because they are intentionally destroying them. And, yes, that does happen.
Yes. Families have to pay back the financial aid if they do not finish the program. This is spelled out very clearly in the contract that they sign. If you don't want to follow the contract, don't sign it. No one is making them enroll their child here.
They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation.
You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.
If a student graduates from HLA and follows HLA's post HLA reccomendations, and still blows it within the first six months of graduation, the kid can come back for free.
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"Yes. Families have to pay back the financial aid if they do not finish the program. This is spelled out very clearly in the contract that they sign. If you don't want to follow the contract, don't sign it. No one is making them enroll their child here."
A coersion tactic to keep the parents in line. How nifty. "If you find out about our false advertising and that our program doesn't work and seek real professional help for your floundering kid, we'll fuck you real good."
"If a student graduates from HLA and follows HLA's post HLA reccomendations, and still blows it within the first six months of graduation, the kid can come back for free."
So you offer the same "warranty" as WWASPS facilities. Why do you consider a child a product that can carry a warranty?
"They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation."
So sayeth the marketing department. Kindy show a clinical study (not a questionaire sent exclusively to "satisfied customers")that shows your program works. WHERE IS YOUR DATA? Isn't it yet obvious that your "experience" is meaningless? You folks lie about everything to keep the cash coming in. That's been shown time and time again.
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Art Barker had the very same kind of warrantee policy at The Seed. It was more open ended, though. Anybody, anytime, no matter where you went or how hard you tried to hide could be started over.
My parents tried to get my sister started over for her poor taste in boyfriends. Thank GOD they didn't go along w/ that! I think there was, at some time, at least a little bit of temperance in Seed culture. May hap that's part of why John really got the bum's rush. Who knows?
But it didn't have to be a parent request. Any Seedling might report any old-timer or sibling for anything or nothing. Then they'd throw down the gauntlett. In some cases, they'd kidnap the alleged fuckup off the street or trick them into going to the building. In other cases it was easier. I had to attend open meetings w/ my mom. Every time, I had to talk to some Sr. Staff, who would glare suspiciously into my eyes, looking for "signs" of druggiedome. It was nerve wracking! I was always grateful for another week of liberty after open meetings, but never too sure about the next week.
Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself
--Jimmy Carter
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On 2006-01-23 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.
Really? How do you come by this knowledge? You would HAVE to be associated with HLA in some way yet you all claim that NO ONE connected with HLA posts here. Hmmmm.
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On 2006-01-23 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.
Really? How do you come by this knowledge? You would HAVE to be associated with HLA in some way yet you all claim that NO ONE connected with HLA posts here. Hmmmm."
Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear? I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here.
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On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear? I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."
So what's your connection?
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On 2006-01-23 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear? I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."
So what's your connection?"
Are you not going to anwer the question?
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On 2006-01-23 13:36:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-23 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
Who has said that NO ONE connected with HLA posts hear? I think it is obvious that some people connected to HLA post here."
So what's your connection?"
Are you not going to anwer the question?"
"Kids are not getting a new set of uniforms every month. If they are, it is because they are intentionally destroying them. And, yes, that does happen.
Yes. Families have to pay back the financial aid if they do not finish the program. This is spelled out very clearly in the contract that they sign. If you don't want to follow the contract, don't sign it. No one is making them enroll their child here.
They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation.
You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.
If a student graduates from HLA and follows HLA's post HLA reccomendations, and still blows it within the first six months of graduation, the kid can come back for free."
This is "former counselor" abc123 who has not nearly enough balls to log in and let anyone know who she is. Her typical tactic is to degrade posters while hiding behind the bag. She's a punk.
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"They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation."
So sayeth the marketing department. Kindy show a clinical study (not a questionaire sent exclusively to "satisfied customers")that shows your program works. WHERE IS YOUR DATA? Isn't it yet obvious that your "experience" is meaningless? You folks lie about everything to keep the cash coming in. That's been shown time and time again.
There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. What Schools typically do is call to see how students are adjusting to try to get a "Level of the water" so to speak on how the kids are doing after leaving a program. The findings are stunning, in most cases, that the students who dont finish do very poorly after they leave. Those who finish the program do better.
With this information in hand, the school would serve itself best by positioning the money so as to tip the scales in the favor of the kids sticking around. One way to do this is to offer incentives or have people pay in advance with no way to recoop the money if they pull their kid early.
As long as they are up front about it its not illegal or disserving to the parents.
Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out and then the kid gets home and does poorly , the school (and I wouldnt blame them) would want a hefty upfront payment to take the kid back in (if the kid would ever go!!).
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You have no clue who I am.
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On 2006-01-23 13:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You have no clue who I am."
Well then, enlighten us. You're here offering to "confirm or refute" the claims that HLA is abusive etc. How do you come to be in a position to do so?
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"if the kid would ever go!!"
Don't you use escort services that make this point moot?
"There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. "
Hang on, get this:
"The findings are stunning"
WHAT findings? Your opinion?
"Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out "
Those damned manipulating kids again.
Why not tell the truth and say that many intelligent, well-informed, professional parents have legitimate concerns with the gap between what you advertise and what you provide?
Who are you to be speaking on behalf of HLA? Maybe you are a manipulating teenager posing as an HLA marketer...?
Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.
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On 2006-01-23 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
""They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation."
So sayeth the marketing department. Kindy show a clinical study (not a questionaire sent exclusively to "satisfied customers")that shows your program works. WHERE IS YOUR DATA? Isn't it yet obvious that your "experience" is meaningless? You folks lie about everything to keep the cash coming in. That's been shown time and time again.
There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. What Schools typically do is call to see how students are adjusting to try to get a "Level of the water" so to speak on how the kids are doing after leaving a program. The findings are stunning, in most cases, that the students who dont finish do very poorly after they leave. Those who finish the program do better.
With this information in hand, the school would serve itself best by positioning the money so as to tip the scales in the favor of the kids sticking around. One way to do this is to offer incentives or have people pay in advance with no way to recoop the money if they pull their kid early.
As long as they are up front about it its not illegal or disserving to the parents.
Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out and then the kid gets home and does poorly , the school (and I wouldnt blame them) would want a hefty upfront payment to take the kid back in (if the kid would ever go!!).
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No one from HLA has ever called me to see how successful I'm doing, and believe I am doing quite well. All thanks to escaping from that brainwashing camp. Also I know for a fact of dozens of people off hand that HLA never contacted.
So.....how can they claim these results when obviously the survey is biased?
Oh thats right they're full of shit and could care less about the truth.
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On 2006-01-23 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
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"if the kid would ever go!!"
Don't you use escort services that make this point moot?
"There have not been any Clinical studies done on HLA graduates. "
Hang on, get this:
"The findings are stunning"
WHAT findings? Your opinion?
"Many times the child can manipulate the parents into pulling them out "
Those damned manipulating kids again.
Why not tell the truth and say that many intelligent, well-informed, professional parents have legitimate concerns with the gap between what you advertise and what you provide?
Who are you to be speaking on behalf of HLA? Maybe you are a manipulating teenager posing as an HLA marketer...?
Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.
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I never claimed my information came from a clinical study, in fact I said a clinical study was not done. Programs call students families to see how they are doing and get a "Level of the water". This means that the study isnt conclusive but they can at least get a feel for what/how they are doing. A lot of companies do this, clinical studies can take years and their results can be inconclusive, so many companies opt for a phone survey, which is quicker. It sounds like you have more accurate data?
Own your position and your identity or get lost. You have posted so much disinformation that you can't be taken seriously by anybody.
I own my position and my identity has not changed. you are just seeing a different opinion and one that is first hand.
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No one from HLA has ever called me to see how successful I'm doing, and believe I am doing quite well. All thanks to escaping from that brainwashing camp. Also I know for a fact of dozens of people off hand that HLA never contacted.
So.....how can they claim these results when obviously the survey is biased?
Oh thats right they're full of shit and could care less about the truth.
Dont feel bad, what they do is call the parents and talk to them. They typically dont call the students directly. The phone conversation isnt structured like a survey, it is more like .... How is so and so doing, Is she doing drugs, back in school, living at home etc.
The results are unscientific, they are a survey (like any other company) but they are real and the school uses them to make decisions on how to conduct future business.... are they bias, yea maybe, but if the parents of the kids who dropped out dont want to respond what can you do? You have to take what you can get.
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On 2006-01-23 17:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
The results are unscientific, they are a survey (like any other company) but they are real and the school uses them to make decisions on how to conduct future business.... are they bias, yea maybe, but if the parents of the kids who dropped out dont want to respond what can you do? You have to take what you can get."
So then, you don't even hold out the pretense that this is about service to the kids. This is only about how better and more reliably to open the parents' wallets.
Thanks for being up front about it. BTW, how would you know? Seriously. Are you on their mailing list? Do you get/make survey calls? Please give us a little perspective as to how you'd come by your info.[1971 - 2001] the darkest chapter in Federal law enforcement history.
Committee on Government Reform
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Who needs a marketing survey when they can talk to the parents and former inmates themselves?
Neeeeeext!
God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, the good fortune to run into the ones I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference.
Perl Services
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So then, you don't even hold out the pretense that this is about service to the kids. This is only about how better and more reliably to open the parents' wallets
come on -- we both know it is about the business and and the service to the kids. This how they get feed back, good, bad or indifferent. Sure it is about the family, the kids etc. But every business needs to know how they are doing and one way is by contacting previous customers. How else is a business going to improve? And yes you are right, if their survey shows that they are providing a better value than they are getting then they will raise their price, it is only natural, why would that be wrong?
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Because your survey is bullshit, its based on faulty data but youre passing it off to potential customers as being scientific.
No one ever contacted my parents, nor have the contacted a number of parents of former inmates I speak to.
Furthermore I can tell you without a doubt that of all the former inmates I speak to the ones who got pulled on average do better than the ones who stayed in.
Hows that for a survey?
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On 2006-01-23 18:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So then, you don't even hold out the pretense that this is about service to the kids. This is only about how better and more reliably to open the parents' wallets
come on -- we both know it is about the business and and the service to the kids.
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How else is a business going to improve?
Well, they might ask the kids (many of them now grown) and see what they think of the service. Instead, when kids do volunteer to say what they think of the place, they get law enforcement and/or process servers banging on their doors. Seems to me they don't really want to know. But that stands to reason. They don't seem too concerned w/ ruling out neuroses in the parents before treating the kids either. Distraught parents w/ money are the only obvious criteria for admission and happy parents bereft of as much of their money as is possible seems to be the goal.
Children, after all, are to be seen and not heard, right?
...it is worth discussing radical changes, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly but for two other reasons. One is to construct an ideal goal, so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move the institutional structure toward or away from that ideal. The other reason is very different. It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored."
Milton Friedman
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I'd think that if they wanted to know what 'doesn't' work and what might be changed, that they'd be seeking the opinions of those who were unhappy with their 'service'. There a few here. I know they're reading, not sure if they're taking notes.
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This young lady says it rather well:
no matter what, that place kept us from the people we loved, controlled our minds (or tried to ) and brought up new problems that all of us probablly never had....They can change the food, change the "off campus trips" and whatever, but the will never change their mind games or their power trips. Thank god for the staff the would be themselves secretly to me and understand me on a realistic way, or else i woulda never made it through- ugh
Mind games, power trips. Does anyone at HLA believe that these kids don't know what's being done to them? You'd be fooling yourself.
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***** Because your survey is bullshit, its based on faulty data but youre passing it off to potential customers as being scientific. *****
I dont think I mentioned it was scientific, I think I said "Level of the water" which is a general idea or a feel for "How we doin"
***** No one ever contacted my parents, nor have the contacted a number of parents of former inmates I speak to. *****
Cant answer why, I do know that many companies perform surveys for periods of time and/or every few years, its not ongoing. So you may have been missed.
***** Furthermore I can tell you without a doubt that of all the former inmates I speak to the ones who got pulled on average do better than the ones who stayed in.
Hows that for a survey? *****
and you consider that a Clinical Study?? Are you basing your decisions about the place based on your findings?? Are they accurate? Did you include everyone? Are the people you speak with biased against the school or are they a cross section of all those that left the school?
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***** Because your survey is bullshit, its based on faulty data but youre passing it off to potential customers as being scientific. *****
I dont think I mentioned it was scientific, I think I said "Level of the water" which is a general idea or a feel for "How we doin"
***** No one ever contacted my parents, nor have the contacted a number of parents of former inmates I speak to. *****
Cant answer why, I do know that many companies perform surveys for periods of time and/or every few years, its not ongoing. So you may have been missed.
***** Furthermore I can tell you without a doubt that of all the former inmates I speak to the ones who got pulled on average do better than the ones who stayed in.
Hows that for a survey? *****
and you consider that a Clinical Study?? Are you basing your decisions about the place based on your findings?? Are they accurate? Did you include everyone? Are the people you speak with biased against the school or are they a cross section of all those that left the school?
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***** Well, they might ask the kids (many of them now grown) and see what they think of the service. Instead, when kids do volunteer to say what they think of the place, they get law enforcement and/or process servers banging on their doors. Seems to me they don't really want to know. But that stands to reason. They don't seem too concerned w/ ruling out neuroses in the parents before treating the kids either. Distraught parents w/ money are the only obvious criteria for admission and happy parents bereft of as much of their money as is possible seems to be the goal. *****
Every business wants to know how their end product is doing (even if they know they are producing junk) its one of the best ways to adjust their price to meet demand.
They typically survey families who have recently graduated or left and then again after some time has passed to see how things have progressed. Kids who have been out for many years are not typically of value because the schools policys change over time. improve so to speak.
Car companies dont care how you like the suspension on your 1987 buick because so many improvements have been done since then the data is useless, they are more interested in feed back from more recent models.
Yes, you are right, money is the goal. But in order to beat the competition you have to keep providing better results and more value.
****Children, after all, are to be seen and not heard, right? *****
Not sure how to respond to that or if it is in reference to something I said. If you are asking if I agree with that statement, I dont.
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So, let me see if I'm getting this right. You want to know what the kids think about the program, right? You've said that.
How does that reconcile with the incontrovertable fact that when these kids (or former staff members for that matter) do speak up and say your program harmed them or you ripped them off, they get a nice visit from the Sherriff's deputy or a process server notifying them that they're being sued by you for spaeking out?
You want to hear feedback, but not anything negative or you sue. Pretty disturbing.
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On 2006-01-24 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, let me see if I'm getting this right. You want to know what the kids think about the program, right? You've said that.
How does that reconcile with the incontrovertable fact that when these kids (or former staff members for that matter) do speak up and say your program harmed them or you ripped them off, they get a nice visit from the Sherriff's deputy or a process server notifying them that they're being sued by you for spaeking out?
You want to hear feedback, but not anything negative or you sue. Pretty disturbing."
No not what kids think. We are talking about this from a purely business perspective, or I am. I noted that a survey is a quick way to tell how the kids are doing? Or survey the parents after the kids leave. This gives the business feed back on how the graduates are doing vs the ones who did not complete the program.
If this exercise is done periodically the school can get a broad or general idea if they are improving or not. A clinical study takes time and is expensive, and all too many times is inconclusive. A survey contains realtime data that can be applied immediately.
I also noted that it is typical to see a trend where those kids who drop out early do not do as well as those who complete the program. This is important information which would effect the business plan. This can be used to leverage or persuade the parents to have their kids finish.
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On 2006-01-24 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, let me see if I'm getting this right. You want to know what the kids think about the program, right? You've said that.
How does that reconcile with the incontrovertable fact that when these kids (or former staff members for that matter) do speak up and say your program harmed them or you ripped them off, they get a nice visit from the Sherriff's deputy or a process server notifying them that they're being sued by you for spaeking out?
You want to hear feedback, but not anything negative or you sue. Pretty disturbing."
If someone is soliciting your opinion and you give it you cannot be sued. Whoever told you this is blowing smoke.
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On 2006-01-24 11:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
A clinical study takes time and is expensive, and all too many times is inconclusive. A survey contains realtime data that can be applied immediately.
You can't be serious. You're actually comparing the value of a clinical study to that of informal and dubious "surveys"?
I also noted that it is typical to see a trend where those kids who drop out early do not do as well as those who complete the program. This is important information which would effect the business plan. This can be used to leverage or persuade the parents to have their kids finish."
BINGO!
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On 2006-01-24 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, let me see if I'm getting this right. You want to know what the kids think about the program, right? You've said that.
How does that reconcile with the incontrovertable fact that when these kids (or former staff members for that matter) do speak up and say your program harmed them or you ripped them off, they get a nice visit from the Sherriff's deputy or a process server notifying them that they're being sued by you for spaeking out?
You want to hear feedback, but not anything negative or you sue. Pretty disturbing."
If someone is soliciting your opinion and you give it you cannot be sued. Whoever told you this is blowing smoke."
Really now? How about Marla, the HLA Special Education teacher who was so distressed about the mistreatment of kids at HLA that she was compelled to quit her job? When she posted her opinions, she was immediately sued.
How about Overlord? He posted his opinions and was immediately sued.
That's two in the past 3 months.
Ginger, help us out. Please post the links once more for the demand letters you received from HLA.
Blowing smoke? No, INCONTROVERTABLE FACT as stated earlier. You seem to not understand that lawsuits come with PAPERWORK.
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On 2006-01-16 14:41:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"Here's the cover letter:
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Ov ... .16.06.doc (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Overlordd.Fornits.1.16.06.doc)
Here's the consent order:
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Ov ... onsent.pdf (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/OverLorddConsent.pdf)
And here's OverLordd's profile
http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?m ... &user=2584 (http://fornits.com/wwf/bb_profile.php?mode=view&user=2584)
Joe, you just feel free to drop a comment once in awhile while you're reading. And please say hi to your brother, Mark out in Boone for me. :wave: There go the people. I must follow them for I am their leader.
--Alexandre Ledru-Rollin
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On 2006-01-24 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
If someone is soliciting your opinion and you give it you cannot be sued. Whoever told you this is blowing smoke."
Well, to be perfectly accurate, a suite following a solicited opinion would probably be falacious. Interesting that you know that detail, and yet you spend so damned much time around here trolling for complaints.
Ya'll got that, right? In the event you get sued for answering questions about a program and you suspect that the plaintif is somehow connected w/ this (or other) anon soliciting information like this, please tell your lawyer (or prospective lawyer) to contact me. I ain't easy, I do things proper. I will require a valid subpoena, court order or other legally compelling instrument. But the evidence can be had.
And wouldn't it just be nice to spank the manipulative, sneaky bastards down for this sort of thing just one time. You'd be helping make Cyberia a safer place for free speech and getting a small token of vindication at the same time. Such a deal!We are a one party country. Half of them call themselves Democrats and the other half call themselves Republicans. All the good ideas come from the Libertarians.
--Hugh Downs
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On 2006-01-24 05:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
Every business wants to know how their end product is doing (even if they know they are producing junk)
Well let me help you out a little bit. You're selling junk. What your selling is nothing but coercive persuasion, which is less than worthless even at best. Often times, what you're selling is an escalation from manageable family troubles to permanent, irreconcilable family dissolution.
Let me help you further. You don't even have to go to the trouble of tracking down your former clients, even by way of their parents (those among them who will still come to the phone for you and whom you haven't sued already) All you have to do is occasionally google the name of the companies who's "services" you sell and you'll get an eyeful. If you want to make a nod to concienciousness, you could even take the inprecidented step (in your line of work) and confirm the identities and double check the details of the former clients who are willing to participate in your survey.
Of course, no sane person is going to be willing to talk to you unless and untill you live down your reputation as a sadistic thug who goes around taunting, humiliating and then suing little boys.
To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
Why I Live at the PO (http://art-bin.com/art/or_weltypostoff.html)
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The important thing to remember about being sued for libel, slander, defamation, etc. is this: you do not have grounds for a lawsuit unless the person publishes the defaming information to a third party. If you solicit someone's opinion and they say something defamatory to you, you can try to sue them, but of course you will get nowhere. It appears that other people have been sued because they posted/published negative information about HLA to other parties, on this website or someplace else.
Hope this clears up any confusion.
Have a nice day all :smile:
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On 2006-01-24 11:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 11:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 10:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, let me see if I'm getting this right. You want to know what the kids think about the program, right? You've said that.
How does that reconcile with the incontrovertable fact that when these kids (or former staff members for that matter) do speak up and say your program harmed them or you ripped them off, they get a nice visit from the Sherriff's deputy or a process server notifying them that they're being sued by you for spaeking out?
You want to hear feedback, but not anything negative or you sue. Pretty disturbing."
If someone is soliciting your opinion and you give it you cannot be sued. Whoever told you this is blowing smoke."
Really now? How about Marla, the HLA Special Education teacher who was so distressed about the mistreatment of kids at HLA that she was compelled to quit her job? When she posted her opinions, she was immediately sued.
How about Overlord? He posted his opinions and was immediately sued.
That's two in the past 3 months.
Ginger, help us out. Please post the links once more for the demand letters you received from HLA.
Blowing smoke? No, INCONTROVERTABLE FACT as stated earlier. You seem to not understand that lawsuits come with PAPERWORK."
Not what I was talking about:
First -- Did they solicite you for your opinions? Say in the form of a survey?
Second -- Did they request that you post your opinions?
If you answer "No" you can be sued.
Typically feed back is private and is requested to be returned to the school (not posted for the public to read)
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I think the point here is that you people don't want to hear anything negative at all.
When you solicit it and it's not to your liking you just shitcan it because it doesn't support your pre-drawn conclusion.
If it's unsolicited you immediately sue.
The way you try to control information coming out of HLA gives a lot of people the willies. Parents are right to have reservations about a place that so tightly controls information that they immediately sue people for saying what is demonstrably true knowing full well that these people will be forced to capitulate becasue they don't have the financial resources to fight the machine.
It's like a poker game where you use the big stack to bully the short stack into folding even though they hold what would be the winning hand. They just can't take the chance to slug it out. They have families and children to provide for so they can't take the risk to stand up for principles.
I think there's something inherently wrong about the way you deal with information that reflects poorly on you hucksters.
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On 2006-01-24 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
Second -- Did they request that you post your opinions?
If you answer "No" you can be sued.
Typically feed back is private and is requested to be returned to the school (not posted for the public to read)"
Is this still America? I mean, I realize its getting rather difficult to tell wit W. & Co. running things but I think its still legal to post your opinions about pretty much anything and everything.
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I wonder how much it costs each time they sue one of these kids or their parents? I mean, just lately, blogging on the troubled parent industry has really taken off. The stuff is all over Yahoo, Myspace and a bunch of other sites. And, unlike Fornits.com or heal-online.org, those are huge companies w/ thousands or even hundreds of thousands of customers; many of whom give bogus info upon establishing their accounts. This is a new element into the game play. Prior to this new development, I guess it was pretty easy to keep track and just smack around anybody who went to the considerable trouble of publishing the old fashioned way.
So, how much time and money will it take to keep the lid on this now? Or, more to the point, how long will it take the industry to discover that they're so hopelessly outnumbered they can't possibly keep up?
Don't hate the media. Become the media
--Jello Biafra
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On 2006-01-24 13:26:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"I think the point here is that you people don't want to hear anything negative at all.
When you solicit it and it's not to your liking you just shitcan it because it doesn't support your pre-drawn conclusion.
If it's unsolicited you immediately sue.
The way you try to control information coming out of HLA gives a lot of people the willies. Parents are right to have reservations about a place that so tightly controls information that they immediately sue people for saying what is demonstrably true knowing full well that these people will be forced to capitulate becasue they don't have the financial resources to fight the machine.
It's like a poker game where you use the big stack to bully the short stack into folding even though they hold what would be the winning hand. They just can't take the chance to slug it out. They have families and children to provide for so they can't take the risk to stand up for principles.
I think there's something inherently wrong about the way you deal with information that reflects poorly on you hucksters.
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DF _ You can take any position you want and that is okay. The original point was that businesses need feed back from their clients so that they can improve i.e. make more money, bring in more people. If, as you say it means ignoring their faults and negative feed back, It is their perogative to do so. But if they do it will not serve them well in the end.
If Honda ignores all their negative feed back it is their down fall. But why would we care, it gets a bad reputation and we put our money else where.
It is not treated like a poker game and never will be. It is not gambling, they need a gauranteed profit margin and to know who is happy and who is not.
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On 2006-01-24 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
It is not treated like a poker game and never will be. It is not gambling, they need a gauranteed profit margin and to know who is happy and who is not.
Right, guaranteed profit margin. More than that, though, they need guaranteed absolution.
Look, we happen to be in the HLA forum on the Fornits server. But we could be talking about any organization that identifies with the toughlove approach to troubling teens. This practice of putting down dissent and maligning the critics is rampant and goes all the way back to the beginning. Here's an excellent example of that from Art Barker all the way back in `74.
"Today the Seed, Tomorrow the world"
"These are New Times"
by Eleanor Randolph, 9/6/1974
former comic Art Barker says he will turn your drug-crazed kid into a dream teen. Others say his program, The Seed, practices the brainwashing of the Future.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=8&4 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13456&forum=8&4)
And it gets worse. Far worse. I have to tell ya (in case you hadn't noticed) it just chapped my ass when I found out what you people are doing to OverLordd. WTF!!! He's not even a candidate for your "salvation". He's a good kid, hard working, intelligent, putting himself through college and then off to serve this country in the armed forces. He is the epitome of what you austensibly turn bad kids into. Instead, you go an threaten what you already know is important to him (cause he told you, right here in these open forums) just to get him to shut up.
You may tell yourselves and each other that you had reason to fear this kid. And you'll reenforce that specter till it becomes an echo chamber and you all actually believe it. But any objective observer sees a bunch of paranoid freaks picking on a very decent young man. I feel I owe it to him to demonstrate that some Americans can and will keep the homefires burning while he's off figuring out how fucked up our foreign policy is and how to set it right.
And the similarities don't end there, either. Isn't Len a former skidrow drunk turned salvation huckster, just like Art and Chuck Dederich? But you're not so far gone as that yet, either. Chuck Dederich wound up doing some time behind an attempted murder. He ordered some of his entheusiastic supporters cut the rattles of the tail of a rattle snake and put it in the mailbox of a lawyer who had been winning cash settlements and custody battles on behalf of former employees.
It's not too late to turn things around, admit your flaws, make amends and turn over a new leaf.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
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Isn't Len a former skidrow drunk turned salvation huckster, just like Art and Chuck Dederich?
I think you're thinking of Rudy Bentz, the drunken killer and former Headmaster at HLA.
It's not too late to turn things around, admit your flaws, make amends and turn over a new leaf.
Sounds good, but I'd advise not to hold your breath. These people aren't going to change anything of their own volition. Once they lose a couple of lawsuits and have to payout huge damages their hand will be forced.
Until then, everyone is going to have to dodge the process servers because these freaks are out for blood. They don't want just to silence critics, they want to ruin them by whatever means they have at their disposal, whether that's a lawsuit or frightening, threatening anonymous phone calls in the middle of the night.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-24 15:00 ]
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Um Ginger? Where do you make up some of this stuff??? LOL....Len is no former skidrow drunk. He has been a professional in the education business for literally over 30 years. First with public school systems and then later with private schools. He owns 3 schools. One of them is a traditional day school. The others are HLA and Ridge Creek. I think he is on the board of some other schools and foundations as well. He is involved in alot of organizations in Atlanta too. He has been a consultant and psychologist(licensed AND properly degreed) since 1975. Former skidrow drunk? Um, no. That is not accurate information. I know what you are trying to do. But its not factual information. It is your opinion and hope that he was that. But, he is not.
I know you are trying to lump him into the group of other founders of places such as the Seed and Straight and CEDU, but, he hasnt ever worked for those organizations and you are spreading rumors to benefit your cause, and they are untrue and that, is unfair to the people trying to get facts. They dont want rumors, they want factual information.
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I didnt think about that Dysfunction. Maybe she is thinking about Rudy. I had read the story about him and the vehicle manslaughter charge, so maybe Ginger got confused between Rudy and Len. Rudy Bentz hasnt been associated with HLA since probably late 1995 or early 96.
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On 2006-01-24 15:04:00, SHH wrote:
"Um Ginger? Where do you make up some of this stuff??? LOL....Len is no former skidrow drunk. He has been a professional in the education business for literally over 30 years. First with public school systems and then later with private schools. He owns 3 schools. One of them is a traditional day school. The others are HLA and Ridge Creek. I think he is on the board of some other schools and foundations as well. He is involved in alot of organizations in Atlanta too. He has been a consultant and psychologist(licensed AND properly degreed) since 1975. Former skidrow drunk? Um, no. That is not accurate information. I know what you are trying to do. But its not factual information. It is your opinion and hope that he was that. But, he is not.
I know you are trying to lump him into the group of other founders of places such as the Seed and Straight and CEDU, but, he hasnt ever worked for those organizations and you are spreading rumors to benefit your cause, and they are untrue and that, is unfair to the people trying to get facts. They dont want rumors, they want factual information."
Settle down. It's already been corrected.
She just confused Len with another "founder" who was a skid-row drunken sot with a penchant for driving drunk and running folks over with his vehicle.
Nobody's spreading rumors. It's an honest mistake because Rudy is often referred to as a "founder" of HLA.
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On 2006-01-24 15:06:00, SHH wrote:
"I didnt think about that Dysfunction. Maybe she is thinking about Rudy. I had read the story about him and the vehicle manslaughter charge, so maybe Ginger got confused between Rudy and Len. Rudy Bentz hasnt been associated with HLA since probably late 1995 or early 96. "
1996, He eventually went on to start-up Swift River in Massachusetts, which has a good reputation, well, so far anyway. HaHa
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***** And the similarities don't end there, either. Isn't Len a former skidrow drunk turned salvation huckster, just like Art and Chuck Dederich? But you're not so far gone as that yet, either. Chuck Dederich wound up doing some time behind an attempted murder. He ordered some of his entheusiastic supporters cut the rattles of the tail of a rattle snake and put it in the mailbox of a lawyer who had been winning cash settlements and custody battles on behalf of former employees.
It's not too late to turn things around, admit your flaws, make amends and turn over a new leaf.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, who do you think I am? I am talking about boosting profits by reacting to feed back from former students via a survey. I had indicated that there was more positive feed back from those who graduated than those who pulled out, which stands to reason in any situation or school. I dont think it is anything new.
If you dont know what you are putting out or processing how can one improve the process or program?
I dont know those people Len, charles etc. I dont know how that would tie in to this at all. You must be mixed up with another thread.
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I will point out though that is disingenous to insinuate that Len has no connections to places like CEDU.
As an EDCON he sent many kids to abusive behavior mod centers like CEDU and RMA. I worked with a guy at HLA who was sent by Len to RMA in the late 80's.
All of his hand-picked startup staff came directly from CEDU itself, like that scumbag Rudy.
So, he is intricately connected to these other folks from these other abusive programs and he made a small fortune sending kids to these places where they were horribly abused. Ideologically, he is the same as those poeple. To say otherwise would be belying the facts.
By the way, anon, Swift River is, to this day an unlicensed, unaccredited treatment center based on the highly suspect methodology of behavior modification. Successful? At making money, yes. At treating psychological problems? Not hardly.
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On 2006-01-24 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
I had indicated that there was more positive feed back from those who graduated than those who pulled out, which stands to reason in any situation or school.
Well duh! If they pulled out then they were obviously dissatisfied.
But that's not what you said before. You said that the kids who graduated did better (according to the surveys) than kids who pulled out. Without some kind of clinical, unbiased and long term study how could you possibly know?
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On 2006-01-24 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am talking about boosting profits by reacting to feed back from former students via a survey.
But we've already established that they don't seek feedback from the students, only the parents. And Joe has made it more than clear that they agressively pursue parents, former clients and former employees who speak about the place with out permission.
How `bout it, kids! Have any of you been asked to fill out a survey?
And I know who you are. Want me to say? Or you can. Doesn't matter. I think anyone w/ enough interest in this discussion has probably figured it out. The only question remains why? Why do you feel the need to insinuate yourself into the lives of others while hiding your own identity?
Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
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On 2006-01-24 14:48:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
Right, guaranteed profit margin. More than that, though, they need guaranteed absolution.
Look, we happen to be in the HLA forum on the Fornits server. But we could be talking about any organization that identifies with the toughlove approach to troubling teens. This practice of putting down dissent and maligning the critics is rampant and goes all the way back to the beginning. Here's an excellent example of that from Art Barker all the way back in `74.
"Today the Seed, Tomorrow the world"
"These are New Times"
by Eleanor Randolph, 9/6/1974
former comic Art Barker says he will turn your drug-crazed kid into a dream teen. Others say his program, The Seed, practices the brainwashing of the Future.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... &forum=8&4 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13456&forum=8&4)
And it gets worse. Far worse. I have to tell ya (in case you hadn't noticed) it just chapped my ass when I found out what you people are doing to OverLordd. WTF!!! He's not even a candidate for your "salvation". He's a good kid, hard working, intelligent, putting himself through college and then off to serve this country in the armed forces. He is the epitome of what you austensibly turn bad kids into. Instead, you go an threaten what you already know is important to him (cause he told you, right here in these open forums) just to get him to shut up.
You may tell yourselves and each other that you had reason to fear this kid. And you'll reenforce that specter till it becomes an echo chamber and you all actually believe it. But any objective observer sees a bunch of paranoid freaks picking on a very decent young man. I feel I owe it to him to demonstrate that some Americans can and will keep the homefires burning while he's off figuring out how fucked up our foreign policy is and how to set it right.
And the similarities don't end there, either. Isn't Rudy a former skidrow drunk turned salvation huckster, just like Art and Chuck Dederich? But you're not so far gone as that yet, either. Chuck Dederich wound up doing some time behind an attempted murder. He ordered some of his entheusiastic supporters cut the rattles of the tail of a rattle snake and put it in the mailbox of a lawyer who had been winning cash settlements and custody battles on behalf of former employees.
It's not too late to turn things around, admit your flaws, make amends and turn over a new leaf.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
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Men seldom, or rather never for a length of time, and deliberately, rebel against anything that does not deserve rebelling against.
--Thomas Carlyle
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Well duh! If they pulled out then they were obviously dissatisfied.
Well looking for satisfaction , but also looking to see how well the kid was doing.
But that's not what you said before. You said that the kids who graduated did better (according to the surveys) than kids who pulled out.
Your right, my hands are moving faster than my brain. The surveys show that the kids who graduated or completed these programs did better than those who pulled out early.
Without some kind of clinical, unbiased and long term study how could you possibly know?
We dont. The survey gives us a general idea on "how we are doing". Are we doing better than last year? What do we need to focus on going forward? Are we focusing on the wrong type of kids? etc.
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The only question remains why? Why do you feel the need to insinuate yourself into the lives of others while hiding your own identity?
I see you carefully avoided this question.
Can you answer? Is it OK fro Ginger to tell us your identity and link up your other posts?
Please don't forget to answer these questions either, Kathleen.
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On 2006-01-24 15:46:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 15:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am talking about boosting profits by reacting to feed back from former students via a survey.
But we've already established that they don't seek feedback from the students, only the parents. And Joe has made it more than clear that they agressively pursue parents, former clients and former employees who speak about the place with out permission.
How `bout it, kids! Have any of you been asked to fill out a survey?
And I know who you are. Want me to say? Or you can. Doesn't matter. I think anyone w/ enough interest in this discussion has probably figured it out. The only question remains why? Why do you feel the need to insinuate yourself into the lives of others while hiding your own identity?
Locate the blind spot in the culture--the place where the culture isn't looking, because it dare not--because if it were to look there, its previous values would dissolve.
Terence McKenna
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Look Antigen-- Someone mentioned about 5 pages back that there were never any clinical studies on HLA. I responded and still do that a school doesnt need clinical studies to steer their company. They take too long, they are expensive and can be flawed and the data can be outdated by the time I want you to make decisions on it.
Schools typically use surveys. They are cheap, quick, can be effective and can give a person a "Level of the water" so to speak on how a school or company is doing. This argument applies to any organization seeking info on themselves. I am not directing this to just HLA but to any school or program.
Why do you feel the need to insinuate yourself into the lives of others while hiding your own identity?
I dont feel I am insinuating myself into other people lives, it is just my opinion.
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On 2006-01-24 16:15:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"The only question remains why? Why do you feel the need to insinuate yourself into the lives of others while hiding your own identity?
I see you carefully avoided this question.
Can you answer? Is it OK fro Ginger to tell us your identity and link up your other posts?
Please don't forget to answer these questions either, Kathleen.
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I am a bag head for a reason and would like to remain that way. If you and ginger feel it is needed and will serve a purpose, go ahead and link up my posts and after that if you feel I have been portraying myself falsly then say so.....
Why do I want you to bully everyone who disagrees with you?
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go ahead and link up my posts
Well, you've gotten permission to do the work, Ginger. I'd be interested to see all of these posts that belong to this person.
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Why do I want you to bully everyone who disagrees with you?
I dunno. Why do you want me to bully anybody? That's not my bag. That's HLA's favorite trick, not mine.
Believe me, I'd rather have a fair, grounded debate, but since you are not qualified to weigh in on clinical issues and all you do is stick to the marketing department's talking points, a debate with you really isn't in the cards.
You are more comfortable evading the issues and doing damage control. When you get pressed on a point you don't want to talk about, you call it being "bullied."
What is it called when you use physical and psychological force to break a kid's spirit and will? You people are the ultimate bullies. You relentlessly force your dogma onto your patients all the while punishing them non-stop for exhibiting symptoms of their untreated psychological problems. And when somebody has the balls to tell it how it really is, well, you sick Quirk and Quirk on them to break their ricebowl.
If what you folks are doing were on the level you wouldn't need damage control every day on the internet, nor would you feel the need to litigiously silence your critics. If what you are doing were right and just and effective, you could debate the issues and hold your ground on the basis of fact. Since you can't do that you cry foul when pressed and sue the shit out of anyone who dares talk about their painful experiences.
You personally and your business are both pretty shady.
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What are your clinical qualifications? I am not saying you don't have any. You have just stated that you have qualifications and others do not. What are yours?
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On 2006-01-24 17:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Why do I want you to bully everyone who disagrees with you?
I dunno. Why do you want me to bully anybody? That's not my bag. That's HLA's favorite trick, not mine.
Believe me, I'd rather have a fair, grounded debate, but since you are not qualified to weigh in on clinical issues and all you do is stick to the marketing department's talking points, a debate with you really isn't in the cards.
You are more comfortable evading the issues and doing damage control. When you get pressed on a point you don't want to talk about, you call it being "bullied."
What is it called when you use physical and psychological force to break a kid's spirit and will? You people are the ultimate bullies. You relentlessly force your dogma onto your patients all the while punishing them non-stop for exhibiting symptoms of their untreated psychological problems. And when somebody has the balls to tell it how it really is, well, you sick Quirk and Quirk on them to break their ricebowl.
If what you folks are doing were on the level you wouldn't need damage control every day on the internet, nor would you feel the need to litigiously silence your critics. If what you are doing were right and just and effective, you could debate the issues and hold your ground on the basis of fact. Since you can't do that you cry foul when pressed and sue the shit out of anyone who dares talk about their painful experiences.
You personally and your business are both pretty shady.
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See, Thats what I mean, you attack me left and right, say I am shady and my business is shady and you dont know me personally or what business I am in ..... What is wrong with you?
Who am I sueing? You seriously have me mixed up with someone else.
Clinical issues, marketing ? You dont want to debate me because I am not qualified? Who are you? I am totally lost. We were talking about the effects of a survey vs, clinical studies and how that can better forward a business....
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Antigen -- What you did was wrong, from a professional stand point, -- do your investigation into who I am if that is what you want, I am not the enemy. You should not shut people out just because they disagree with you. You cannot learn or grow without debate.
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I'm seriously confused. What did I do that you think was wrong? Go ahead and pm me if you don't want to say.
God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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On 2006-01-24 18:26:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"I'm seriously confused. What did I do that you think was wrong? Go ahead and pm me if you don't want to say. God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Antigen --
I have been on here 6 - 8 months, had a daughter who attended one of the programs. There has been some great debate with people of different views. Early on I heard from someone who signed on and wasnt very popular and someone tracked down where they lived and called the locals on him etc. so I wanted to remain a "baghead".
Antigen I thought you jumped in and added a lot of value to many discussions I was involved with and if you read back you will see that I said it was so, in your defense, because you seemed fair minded.
What happened?
Did you think I worked for one of the schools? Who is Dysfunction Junction? Why does she have so much power to shut someone down if they piss her off?
Has she finished reading all my strings? Will she make an opinion on if I can stay? Does this happen often?
I am very disappointed and wish you luck, I guess this is your exit survey. I will check in later to see if I can still get in.
But just remember without debate you will never grow or learn and you should be careful on who you hire to monitor. I guess it is appropriate that we disagreed on the power of how past customers can shape a business' future.
If I cant get back in , I do wish you luck, i am always hopeful that change can occur for the better.
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I appreciate you selecting a user name, although you are posting anon again. User names do not reveal a person's identity, but do aid in the flow of discussion. You will no longer be mistaken as an hla rep. That's a good thing in terms of this forum.
I do have a question though, if you would be so kind as to answer. In many of your posts (Little Cat) you mention residing in Mass. Why would you choose 'Dallas Straights' as your location?
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On 2006-01-24 19:29:00, Deborah wrote:
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I appreciate you selecting a user name, although you are posting anon again. User names do not reveal a person's identity, but do aid in the flow of discussion. You will no longer be mistaken as an hla rep. That's a good thing in terms of this forum.
I do have a question though, if you would be so kind as to answer. In many of your posts (Little Cat) you mention residing in Mass. Why would you choose 'Dallas Straights' as your location? "
I did not choose the user name. Dysfunction Junction and Antigen got tired of my debate (as a baghead) and thought I was working for one of the schools because my daughter did well at ASR.
They tied my strings together and assigned me the name "littlecats" and diminished my search function use. I have no control over this. I am not sure what "Dallas Straights" means, I do reside in Massachusetts. I dont even know how to sign is as "littlecats". I guess if I agree to bad mouth the schools they will let me back in. But until then all I have is this string.
Bottom line is : I guess you can post here as long as you agree with Dysfunction and Antigen.
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On 2006-01-24 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 19:29:00, Deborah wrote:
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I appreciate you selecting a user name, although you are posting anon again. User names do not reveal a person's identity, but do aid in the flow of discussion. You will no longer be mistaken as an hla rep. That's a good thing in terms of this forum.
I do have a question though, if you would be so kind as to answer. In many of your posts (Little Cat) you mention residing in Mass. Why would you choose 'Dallas Straights' as your location? "
I did not choose the user name. Dysfunction Junction and Antigen got tired of my debate (as a baghead) and thought I was working for one of the schools because my daughter did well at ASR.
They tied my strings together and assigned me the name "littlecats" and diminished my search function use. I have no control over this. I am not sure what "Dallas Straights" means, I do reside in Massachusetts. I dont even know how to sign is as "littlecats". I guess if I agree to bad mouth the schools they will let me back in. But until then all I have is this string.
Bottom line is : I guess you can post here as long as you agree with Dysfunction and Antigen."
I have absolutely no control whatsoever over user functions. You are mistaken.
I have never attempted to curtail anyone's rights to speech. The problem is that some folks, like you, aren't here to discuss or debate the issues. When I redirect the conversation back to the topic (from your unnecessary digressions) you call that being "bullied."
By all means, if you want to start a topic called "Marketing by Survey is Quicker and Cheaper than Marketing by Clinical Study" go right ahead. However, interrupting dialogue of a different topic by inserting your useless off-topic discussion won't be tolerated by many here. Most forums would ban you or suspend your right to post. I'm happy to correct your behavior indefinitely until you understand.
Post whatever you like. Post under appropriate topics. Don't think for even a second that if you post factually incorrect information (especially under the wrong topic) that I won't jump on you for it. Quit being a baby and make your case appropriately.
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I dont even know how to sign is as "littlecats". I guess if I agree to bad mouth the schools they will let me back in. But until then all I have is this string.
Bottom line is : I guess you can post here as long as you agree with Dysfunction and Antigen.
::boohoo:: ::boohoo::
:roll:
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On 2006-01-24 17:38:00, HLA Truth wrote:
"DJ-
What are your clinical qualifications? I am not saying you don't have any. You have just stated that you have qualifications and others do not. What are yours?"
I am an MSW with 7 years of clinical experience.
What is your clinical background? How are you qualified to discuss the program clinically?
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-25 06:03 ]
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On 2006-01-25 05:45:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 19:29:00, Deborah wrote:
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I appreciate you selecting a user name, although you are posting anon again. User names do not reveal a person's identity, but do aid in the flow of discussion. You will no longer be mistaken as an hla rep. That's a good thing in terms of this forum.
I do have a question though, if you would be so kind as to answer. In many of your posts (Little Cat) you mention residing in Mass. Why would you choose 'Dallas Straights' as your location? "
I did not choose the user name. Dysfunction Junction and Antigen got tired of my debate (as a baghead) and thought I was working for one of the schools because my daughter did well at ASR.
They tied my strings together and assigned me the name "littlecats" and diminished my search function use. I have no control over this. I am not sure what "Dallas Straights" means, I do reside in Massachusetts. I dont even know how to sign is as "littlecats". I guess if I agree to bad mouth the schools they will let me back in. But until then all I have is this string.
Bottom line is : I guess you can post here as long as you agree with Dysfunction and Antigen."
I have absolutely no control whatsoever over user functions. You are mistaken.
I have never attempted to curtail anyone's rights to speech. The problem is that some folks, like you, aren't here to discuss or debate the issues. When I redirect the conversation back to the topic (from your unnecessary digressions) you call that being "bullied."
By all means, if you want to start a topic called "Marketing by Survey is Quicker and Cheaper than Marketing by Clinical Study" go right ahead. However, interrupting dialogue of a different topic by inserting your useless off-topic discussion won't be tolerated by many here. Most forums would ban you or suspend your right to post. I'm happy to correct your behavior indefinitely until you understand.
Post whatever you like. Post under appropriate topics. Don't think for even a second that if you post factually incorrect information (especially under the wrong topic) that I won't jump on you for it. Quit being a baby and make your case appropriately.
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So when people say things that are inappropriate it is okay to "correct" them "indefinitly". Sounds like the same kind of mentality that you reportedly are against at HLA.
You seem to have a lot of rules for communication on this site and when people step outside of your rules you like to riducule them, or censor them. That's not very compassionate of you.
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On 2006-01-24 17:53:00, LittleCat wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 17:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Why do I want you to bully everyone who disagrees with you?
I dunno. Why do you want me to bully anybody? That's not my bag. That's HLA's favorite trick, not mine.
Believe me, I'd rather have a fair, grounded debate, but since you are not qualified to weigh in on clinical issues and all you do is stick to the marketing department's talking points, a debate with you really isn't in the cards.
You are more comfortable evading the issues and doing damage control. When you get pressed on a point you don't want to talk about, you call it being "bullied."
What is it called when you use physical and psychological force to break a kid's spirit and will? You people are the ultimate bullies. You relentlessly force your dogma onto your patients all the while punishing them non-stop for exhibiting symptoms of their untreated psychological problems. And when somebody has the balls to tell it how it really is, well, you sick Quirk and Quirk on them to break their ricebowl.
If what you folks are doing were on the level you wouldn't need damage control every day on the internet, nor would you feel the need to litigiously silence your critics. If what you are doing were right and just and effective, you could debate the issues and hold your ground on the basis of fact. Since you can't do that you cry foul when pressed and sue the shit out of anyone who dares talk about their painful experiences.
You personally and your business are both pretty shady.
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See, Thats what I mean, you attack me left and right, say I am shady and my business is shady and you dont know me personally or what business I am in ..... What is wrong with you?
Who am I sueing? You seriously have me mixed up with someone else.
Clinical issues, marketing ? You dont want to debate me because I am not qualified? Who are you? I am totally lost. We were talking about the effects of a survey vs, clinical studies and how that can better forward a business....
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By posting anonymously you can easily be confused for others. I was under the impression that you were Kathleen, HLA's marketing director, who posts here anonymously all the time. My mistake.
Help me avoid mistakes by logging in.
BTW, what you heard about people being tracked down and harrassed recently happened to me. I received threatening phone calls in the middle of the night from a traced line in Dahlonega, GA, the town where HLA is and where a good portion of their employees live. There's an ongoing GBI investigation into this fairly serious felony. I still post what I need to post.
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On 2006-01-25 06:13:00, HLA Truth wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 05:45:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 19:29:00, Deborah wrote:
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I appreciate you selecting a user name, although you are posting anon again. User names do not reveal a person's identity, but do aid in the flow of discussion. You will no longer be mistaken as an hla rep. That's a good thing in terms of this forum.
I do have a question though, if you would be so kind as to answer. In many of your posts (Little Cat) you mention residing in Mass. Why would you choose 'Dallas Straights' as your location? "
I did not choose the user name. Dysfunction Junction and Antigen got tired of my debate (as a baghead) and thought I was working for one of the schools because my daughter did well at ASR.
They tied my strings together and assigned me the name "littlecats" and diminished my search function use. I have no control over this. I am not sure what "Dallas Straights" means, I do reside in Massachusetts. I dont even know how to sign is as "littlecats". I guess if I agree to bad mouth the schools they will let me back in. But until then all I have is this string.
Bottom line is : I guess you can post here as long as you agree with Dysfunction and Antigen."
I have absolutely no control whatsoever over user functions. You are mistaken.
I have never attempted to curtail anyone's rights to speech. The problem is that some folks, like you, aren't here to discuss or debate the issues. When I redirect the conversation back to the topic (from your unnecessary digressions) you call that being "bullied."
By all means, if you want to start a topic called "Marketing by Survey is Quicker and Cheaper than Marketing by Clinical Study" go right ahead. However, interrupting dialogue of a different topic by inserting your useless off-topic discussion won't be tolerated by many here. Most forums would ban you or suspend your right to post. I'm happy to correct your behavior indefinitely until you understand.
Post whatever you like. Post under appropriate topics. Don't think for even a second that if you post factually incorrect information (especially under the wrong topic) that I won't jump on you for it. Quit being a baby and make your case appropriately.
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So when people say things that are inappropriate it is okay to "correct" them "indefinitly". Sounds like the same kind of mentality that you reportedly are against at HLA.
You seem to have a lot of rules for communication on this site and when people step outside of your rules you like to riducule them, or censor them. That's not very compassionate of you."
1. I have absolutley no power to censor anyone at all, ever. I am not a moderator and carry no status on this board. None. Perhaps now you understand? Do I have to repeat it AGAIN or is twice in the past 10 minutes going to be sufficient for you?
2. I express my opinions of other posters. If you want to view that as "ridicule," fine. People do it to me all the time, but I don't cry over it. Comparing me to HLA is plainly idiotic. You are not forced to be here. Leave any time you like. Nobody is forcing you to endure anything you don't want to endure.
3. Since I have no power to moderate (third time's a charm maybe?) all I can do is continue to correct others for making the dialogue sloppy and unreadable.
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Posted by LittleCat:
"See, Thats what I mean, you attack me left and right, say I am shady and my business is shady and you dont know me personally or what business I am in ..... What is wrong with you?"
After reading your posts from other threads, I can see why you'd want to be a baghead. See below from the KHK forum:
I'm sorry but....
Posted: 2005-11-22 14:10:00
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On 2005-11-22 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Drugs are fucking GREAT! I'm glad I got sent to a program 'cause I learned about all the other drugs I had been missing out on. I don't think I ever would have tried crystal meth, cocaine, or heroin if I hadn't heard how great they were from other people in the program.
That's the best thing I walked away from the program with, a desire to do more drugs."
LittleCat responded:
That is true!! I started smoking pot in high school and after 3 years I moved onto Mescaline (brown organic rocks!!). I think the pot raised my awareness and made me smart enough to realize that I needed to move onto better stuff. I still smoke pot once in a while, but after I wake up, some days, and rmember I blew my paycheck on coke I feel really stupid. Maybe I should stick with pot and work on getting my G.E.D. I wish more people would write articles like that, it makes me feel better about my choices and shit.
Thanks for the post
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#149107 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5057&forum=25&start=60#149107)
I wonder if other ASR parents, therapists or your daughter know about your little habits? I guess I was right (even if by accident) that you're pretty shady. At the very least you are an unbearable hypocrite. And again, it's the kid's fault and the kid needs help, right? Gimme a break, man.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-25 07:31 ]
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So when people say things that are inappropriate it is okay to "correct" them "indefinitly". Sounds like the same kind of mentality that you reportedly are against at HLA.
You seem to have a lot of rules for communication on this site and when people step outside of your rules you like to riducule them, or censor them. That's not very compassionate of you."
No we just hold you all to the same standards you held us. Have you ever sat in on a reals?
We ask that people own up to their comments and accept respondsibility. People can disagree if they like, but they cannot lie or try to manipulate the situation without being called on it.
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On 2006-01-24 18:26:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"I'm seriously confused. What did I do that you think was wrong? Go ahead and pm me if you don't want to say. God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Antigen -- Good morning, I am not sure how to PM you. Dysfunction Junction was seriously upset at my position on surveys to the point where he/she thought I was an ed counselor or affiliated with HLA and asked me to show who I was and have all my posts placed under a user name so she could look at my history here on the forum. I agreed and at the same time my search function was disrupted (the results come out in assending instead of descending order which makes it difficult to search anything over 200 posts).
1. Is everyone satisfied with my history?
2. Did it serve a purpose?
3. Does this happen to everyone who disagrees with Dysfunction J. or who she/he suspects is an ed con or am I the first?
4. Why is she/he so sensitive to debate or people who challenge him/her, and why would you facilitate her personal needs?
If you dont care to have me as part of your discussion, be up front with me, I will go away.
Little Cats
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I find your tactics to be questionable at best.
Are you a parent of a teen in a place like this?
Are you a person who works for one of these institutions doing bullshit surveys?
Or are you a burnt out drug addict?
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On 2006-01-25 09:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"I find your tactics to be questionable at best.
Are you a parent of a teen in a place like this?
Are you a person who works for one of these institutions doing bullshit surveys?
Or are you a burnt out drug addict?"
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others.
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
What's the Dallas Straights significance in your signature line?
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Dysfunction Junction -- I think you read enough of my posts to know I did not write that, but whatever, I guess you had to justify having Antigen do all the work, post what you will, I can take it.
Little cats
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On 2006-01-25 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
What's the Dallas Straights significance in your signature line?"
I dont know, I was posting anon and dysfunction tweeked because I disagreed with her and wanted all my posts strung together and given a name so he/she could look at my post history.
I guess antigen gave me the name and location as a default.
Little cats[ This Message was edited by: TheWho on 2006-02-20 06:16 ]
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"I find your tactics to be questionable at best.
Are you a parent of a teen in a place like this?
Are you a person who works for one of these institutions doing bullshit surveys?
Or are you a burnt out drug addict?"
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
And, according to yor other posts, a burnt out drug addict as well.
In any case, I have no problem debating you. You're bringing a knife to gunfight. Just stick to the topic of the thread and if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. Stop mucking up the forum with digression.
That's why people get mad. This is the proven tactic of HLA's staff. They muck up the forum so badly with stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic that people then cannot find what they are looking for. Then Deborah, an unpaid, thankless moderator has to spen her own personal time clearing the threads of your idiotic commentary. Why should she have to clean up your mess?
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On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"I find your tactics to be questionable at best.
Are you a parent of a teen in a place like this?
Are you a person who works for one of these institutions doing bullshit surveys?
Or are you a burnt out drug addict?"
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
And, according to yor other posts, a burnt out drug addict as well.
In any case, I have no problem debating you. You're bringing a knife to gunfight. Just stick to the topic of the thread and if you want to talk about something else, start a new thread. Stop mucking up the forum with digression.
That's why people get mad. This is the proven tactic of HLA's staff. They muck up the forum so badly with stuff that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic that people then cannot find what they are looking for. Then Deborah, an unpaid, thankless moderator has to spen her own personal time clearing the threads of your idiotic commentary. Why should she have to clean up your mess?
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What is your problem?
I exposed all my posts for you to read, I did nothing but debate and, as you have read, I am not a member of any school, just a parent.
I have never caused or asked antigen to do any work.
You were the one who got frustrated with my position and asked Antigen to spend time researching me....... and what did you find?
1 wayward post which depicts me as a drug addict who is in highschool .... so either you dont want to debate high school drug addicts or parents who dont agree with you, why do you have to be so thin skinned, all debates dont have to go your way, sometimes other people are right.
I get frustrated with many other peoples positions on topics but I dont ask Antigen to do background checks on them to find some dirt...
Grow-up.
Little cats
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You were also found to have been discussing matters you apparently know nothing about, carrying on conversations with yourself, and changing positions as the topics suited you.
Whats with the Goebells reference?
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On 2006-01-25 09:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"You were also found to have been discussing matters you apparently know nothing about, carrying on conversations with yourself, and changing positions as the topics suited you.
Whats with the Goebells reference?"
**** You were also found to have been discussing matters you apparently know nothing about ***
I would argue that, but if true, would that make me unique in this forum?
**** carrying on conversations with yourself ***
Well -- you got me there, my daughter would agree with you, bad habit.
*** and changing positions as the topics suited you ***
I dont think so, although, I have been mixed up with a drug addict, so yes I could see that.
*** Whats with the Goebells reference?" ***
Not sure what that means.
Little cats
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Joseph Georbels - Nazi SS.
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Himmler was the head of the SS, Goebbels was the propoganda minister
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On 2006-01-25 11:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Joseph Georbels - Nazi SS.
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Thanks -- but when did I supposedly reference that name. Robert bruce indicated that I used the name as a reference in one of my posts. Did you come across that in your witch hunt? or just making it up, like the drug addict story.
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Fine then explain in what capacity you are able to discuss the survey practices of HLA.
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On 2006-01-25 12:19:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Fine then explain in what capacity you are able to discuss the survey practices of HLA. "
I am not affiliated with HLA, I am familiar with survey results and their use and effectiveness in gathering "realtime" information. I used this in defense (on one of my posts) of anyone paying for and waiting for the results of a clinical study.
ASR and "SUWS of the Carolinas" are two that have utilized this method to get quick feedback on how their graduates and non-graduates are doing after they left. This allows the schools or programs to react and change things (that are not working) or enhance those that are working very quickly.
I dont know the specific results of HLA Surveys nor ever claimed to.
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On 2006-01-25 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 11:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Joseph Georbels - Nazi SS.
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Thanks -- but when did I supposedly reference that name. Robert bruce indicated that I used the name as a reference in one of my posts. Did you come across that in your witch hunt? or just making it up, like the drug addict story."
Oh, shut up already, you little crybaby. For Christ's sake you were using the name "Joe Goebbels" in your posts earlier today. RB obviously associated that with the SS head man Goerbels.
Joe Goebbels - Joe Goerbels. I can see how it would be easy to mistake.
Ginger already cleared up the mess about your posts being listed under the wrong username.
Start a thread "I'm a Whiny Baby and Have Nothing to Add to the Discussion."
You think you were the victim of a "witch hunt"? Look at these poor bastards that are getting served every day by HLA - two more just today and three so far this week. THAT'S a witch hunt, my man. I've been called far worse names on this board and have been called in the middle of the night and threatened with violence. THAT'S a witch hunt.
You got roughed up a little bit for not using a handle. So what? If that's the worst thing that happens to you here consider yourself lucky.
And SIGN IN ALREADY. That's what got you jammed up in the first place. Try to learn from your experience.
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On 2006-01-25 12:41:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 11:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Joseph Georbels - Nazi SS.
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Thanks -- but when did I supposedly reference that name. Robert bruce indicated that I used the name as a reference in one of my posts. Did you come across that in your witch hunt? or just making it up, like the drug addict story."
Oh, shut up already, you little crybaby. For Christ's sake you were using the name "Joe Goebbels" in your posts earlier today. RB obviously associated that with the SS head man Goerbels.
Joe Goebbels - Joe Goerbels. I can see how it would be easy to mistake.
Ginger already cleared up the mess about your posts being listed under the wrong username.
Start a thread "I'm a Whiny Baby and Have Nothing to Add to the Discussion."
You think you were the victim of a "witch hunt"? Look at these poor bastards that are getting served every day by HLA - two more just today and three so far this week. THAT'S a witch hunt, my man. I've been called far worse names on this board and have been called in the middle of the night and threatened with violence. THAT'S a witch hunt.
You got roughed up a little bit for not using a handle. So what? If that's the worst thing that happens to you here consider yourself lucky.
And SIGN IN ALREADY. That's what got you jammed up in the first place. Try to learn from your experience.
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For Christ's sake you were using the name "Joe Goebbels" in your posts earlier today
Before I wipe away the tears "Show me", I never heard of the guy. You keep making this stuff up and pinning my name on it.
You can cry about what happens to you in the middle of the night, but what you performed was a witch hunt, sorry if it bothers you but you were part of it.
Now show me where I brought up Joe Goebbels or who ever.
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On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Joe Goebbels wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
I am a parent of a teen that attended a program and a parent to several others."
What's the Dallas Straights significance in your signature line?"
I dont know, I was posting anon and dysfunction tweeked because I disagreed with her and wanted all my posts strung together and given a name so he/she could look at my post history.
I guess antigen gave me the name and location as a default. I live in Massachusetts.
Little cats"
OK, you tedious little dummy. I'll explain to you for the FINAL TIME: I HAVE NO ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHTS ON THIS BOARD AND CANNOT-REPEAT CANNOT-MAKE ANY CHANGES WHATSOEVER TO ANY USER ACCOUNT.
Got it? I sure as hell hope so.
Now, kindly look at the top of your post post where it says "Joe Goebbels." If that's not your handle TAKE IT UP WITH GINGER because I CAN'T CHANGE ANY SETTINGS ON YOUR ACCOUNT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY STATUS ON THIS BOARD.
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What's this cat all about Steve? Have I missed anything juicy during my few days off?
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Oh, shut up already, you little crybaby. For Christ's sake you were using the name "Joe Goebbels" in your posts earlier today. RB obviously associated that with the SS head man Goerbels.
Look you can try to get me kicked off here if you like and you can try to deflect the answer.
Like always you say stuff that isnt true.
You stated that I was using this guys name earlier in my posts and that is why it was assigned to me and I am saying you are wrong, AGAIN.
Why do you get so angry at others, with the name calling when you are proven wrong. It is a simple mistake, I do it all the time, which you know because you read all my posts (or had the opportunity) but the difference between us is I admit it.
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On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Joe Goebbels wrote:
I dont know, I was posting anon and dysfunction tweeked because I disagreed with her and wanted all my posts strung together and given a name so he/she could look at my post history.
I guess antigen gave me the name and location as a default. I live in Massachusetts.
Little cats"
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#167901 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13670&forum=41&start=0#167901)
On 2006-01-25 09:51:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"Dear Folks,
Last night, while assiging "Joe Goebbels" posts to his new username, I made a minor error. The technical explanation is that I mistook the record id number for the user id number, thereby setting all of those anon posts to the wrong username. The non technical explanation is that I really should have waited till about 2 cups of coffee into this morning before messing w/ the database. I've corrected the error and will now attempt to relay the access info to Joe so he can, I'm sure, select a username that he likes better.
Again, my apologies for the confusion,
Ginger
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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On 2006-01-25 13:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 09:25:00, Joe Goebbels wrote:
I dont know, I was posting anon and dysfunction tweeked because I disagreed with her and wanted all my posts strung together and given a name so he/she could look at my post history.
I guess antigen gave me the name and location as a default. I live in Massachusetts.
Little cats"
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#167901 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13670&forum=41&start=0#167901)
On 2006-01-25 09:51:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"Dear Folks,
Last night, while assiging "Joe Goebbels" posts to his new username, I made a minor error. The technical explanation is that I mistook the record id number for the user id number, thereby setting all of those anon posts to the wrong username. The non technical explanation is that I really should have waited till about 2 cups of coffee into this morning before messing w/ the database. I've corrected the error and will now attempt to relay the access info to Joe so he can, I'm sure, select a username that he likes better.
Again, my apologies for the confusion,
Ginger
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
"
"
Thanks Ginger
Little cats
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On 2006-01-25 13:15:00, Short Bus wrote:
"What's this cat all about Steve? Have I missed anything juicy during my few days off? "
Yo, Short Bus. This guy is as dumb as a bag of rocks.
He keeps insisting that I can change his username, "pin him" falsely by tagging his posts with the wrong username, etc. I've explained at least FIVE TIMES that I HAVE NO POWER TO ASSIGN ANY PROPERTIES TO OR FROM ANY USER ACCOUNT BECAUSE I HAVE NO STATUS ON THIS BOARD. But he just keeps prattling on like a whiny little baby insisting I changed his account, WHICH I CANNOT DO.
I even quoted his post from earlier in the day signed "Joe Goebbels," showed it to him and explained that he, not I, used that name. Again he says I'm lying and I changed his account, WHICH I CANNOT DO BECAUSE I HAVE NO STATUS ON THIS BOARD.
If you think RB annoys you, have a read of this dope. On and on with same BS never seeming to grasp that I CANNOT CHANGE ANY USER INFORMATION BECAUSE I HAVE NO STATUS ON THIS BOARD.
Ginger already told him that she did it by accident, but yet he carries on with his little fantasy that I did, whining all the while about how it's a "witch hunt."
Anyway, what's up with you? How was the city the other night?
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On 2006-01-25 13:15:00, Short Bus wrote:
"What's this cat all about Steve? Have I missed anything juicy during my few days off? "
No didnt miss much -- Dysfunction tweeked because I didnt agree with him on some survey issues and demanded that I show myself and had Antigen string my history of posts together so He could read them. (Like Dysfunction Junction is his real name, oneway street) whatever.
Anyway he has a nasty temper and very thin skinned (likes to bully people), if he is proven wrong or you disagree with him The Bold Letters Come Out. If I was the guessing type I would guess he is a counselor or ex-counselor from some school, likes to manipulate people and be in a power position where no one can challenge his authority, probably got fired and now he hates all schools who try to help kids .
Other than that it has been fairly quiet.
Little cats
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DF Here is how to respond without insults:
Too Funny -- Ginger just cleared up the fact that she posted the Joe goebels name, not I.
You should go back and reread the posts before accusations, Like I said I never heard of the guy,Calm down, DF its not the end of the world, move on.
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Little cats, Dysfunction has no control over what posts are to be linked with a user name, Ginger stated she did that by accident, so chill out bro! DJ, city was awesome as usual, took the ferry over from Weehawkin..Lovely time dude! Wheres lil Brucey Bee?
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On 2006-01-25 15:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DF Here is how to respond without insults:
Too Funny -- Ginger just cleared up the fact that she posted the Joe goebels name, not I.
You should go back and reread the posts before accusations, Like I said I never heard of the guy,Calm down, DF its not the end of the world, move on."
How long were you in HLA?
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On 2006-01-25 15:04:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 15:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DF Here is how to respond without insults:
Too Funny -- Ginger just cleared up the fact that she posted the Joe goebels name, not I.
You should go back and reread the posts before accusations, Like I said I never heard of the guy,Calm down, DF its not the end of the world, move on."
How long were you in HLA? "
I wasnt at HLA, I got drawn over to this area on a survey discussion which proved to be a bad decision, very high energy over here in HLA land.
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If you no likey, bounce the fuck outta here dude!
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Thanks Short bus, I can handle the heat, I'll move on in the morning maybe.
Little Cats
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On 2006-01-25 15:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks Short bus, I can handle the heat, I'll move on in the morning maybe.
Little Cats"
Have a cocktail bro, relax and enjoy! And don't fuck w Dysfunction. Take it light little cats.
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On 2006-01-25 15:04:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 15:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"DF Here is how to respond without insults:
Too Funny -- Ginger just cleared up the fact that she posted the Joe goebels name, not I.
You should go back and reread the posts before accusations, Like I said I never heard of the guy,Calm down, DF its not the end of the world, move on."
How long were you in HLA? "
Dunno where RB is at today. Haven't really seen him. Glad to hear you had a great time and didn't get yourself in trouble.
Here's the funny part about Mr. Manners, aka Little Cats, aka Joe Goebbels: he has nothing to do with HLA whatsoever. He just comes over here to hang out and accuse me of changing his account.
Thanks for the advice, Mr. Manners. I told you several times nicely that you were more than welcome to participate. I asked you nicely to log in and use your handle.
I told you several times, after Ginger ALREADY POSTED IT, that I have nil to do with your account. After the fourth or fifth time of you calling me a liar and insisting I did it, I had enough of you.
Ask Short Bus how I operate. He's probably the most abusive and inappropriate poster in this forum. I asked him nicely and explained my position as to why he should have a username. Lo and behold, he responds to reason. Here he is all logged in nice-like.
Ask him if I would ever advocate censorship or banning. Again, I explained my position as nicely as I could and I've never threatened him with censorship or being banned. That's just not me.
What you've failed to grasp, Mr. Manners, is exactly how annoying you can be. You are frightfully annoying. You keep at it calling me a liar after it has already been explained to you that the administrator made a DB error which has since been corrected. I don't respond well to obtuse commentary like that. Straighten up, fly right, and get into the fray. That's fine.
I WANT you to join the dialogue. I'm just sick of your droning on and on how I changed your fucking account. Enough already.
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Brilliant post Dysfunction! Fuck yeah! :tup: [ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-01-25 15:26 ]
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On 2006-01-25 15:17:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 15:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks Short bus, I can handle the heat, I'll move on in the morning maybe.
Little Cats"
Have a cocktail bro, relax and enjoy! And don't fuck w Dysfunction. Take it light little cats."
Thanks, I'll lay off, wish he would move on with this account thing, ginger cleared it up hours ago.
little cats
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Mr. Manners :lol: :lol:
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On 2006-01-25 15:25:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Brilliant post Dysfunction! Fuck yeah! :tup: [ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-01-25 15:26 ]"
Coming from you, you little delinquent, I take that compliment as high praise indeed.
And as for Mr. Manner's "arm-chair psychological profile," it couldn't be more wrong.
Yes I was a counselor at HLA, but I never behaved as you say. I always got the best out of my kids by treating them exactly as I do Short Bus. I explain myself clearly, tell tham what I want from them, give good reasons why and listen to their feedback with respect and understanding. I never once had to even broach the subject of restraint or punishment, much less punish or restrain. I had the greatest respect for them and they for me.
I was always the guy who would stay on campus for the weekend even though I was off and not getting paid to take my kids out fishing, or play football with them or just do whatever those kids wanted to do for fun.
I still talk to many of them now, over ten years later.
You're just dead wrong, Mr. Manners. I treat you differently because you are supposed to be a high-functioning, rational adult. you're just an anonymous guy on a message board. I really have no regard for you or your feelings about how you preceive me. You're just Mr. Manners from the message board.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-25 15:40 ]
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Speak of the devil.
See that Short Bus you and Little Cats have something in common, neither one of you ever had anything to do with HLA.
So then Little Cats the question remains. Since you have nothing to do with HLA, and since you dont do these surveys yourself, why are you here and why are you talking about the situation like you know something about it?
Oh and Dysfunction for one is a guy, but also was never fired. Dont make assumptions about people before you get to know them. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2006-01-25 15:41 ]
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Here we go...
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Hey fucking Brucey! Whats up nigger!! :wave:
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On 2006-01-25 15:51:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Hey fucking Brucey! Whats up nigger!! :wave: "
God I'm a funny kid.
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Brucey Bee, how old are you?
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Dont make assumptions about people before you get to know them.
Before I made that statement I said something like "If I were to guess" so I wasnt assuming anything, just a stab based on how he handles conflict. But I got the counselor part right, too thin skinned to have been in a program himself.
And yes DJ you are acting straight-up since your friends arrived.
Little Cats, Joe , Mr Manners, Armchair Psycho
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On 2006-01-25 15:51:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Hey fucking Brucey! Whats up nigger!! :wave: "
Not much. So when are you going to let us see your anon post?
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On 2006-01-25 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dont make assumptions about people before you get to know them.
Before I made that statement I said something like "If I were to guess" so I wasnt assuming anything, just a stab based on how he handles conflict. But I got the counselor part right, too thin skinned to have been in a program himself.
And yes DJ you are acting straight-up since your friends arrived.
Little Cats, Joe , Mr Manners, Armchair Psycho"
He wasnt strickly a counselor like youre thinking of it. He had more admin respondsibilties than regular counselors did. The fact is you dont know so dont make assumptions, also you havent responded to why you would jump on talking about something when you obviously know nothing about it.
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On 2006-01-25 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dont make assumptions about people before you get to know them.
Before I made that statement I said something like "If I were to guess" so I wasnt assuming anything, just a stab based on how he handles conflict. But I got the counselor part right, too thin skinned to have been in a program himself.
And yes DJ you are acting straight-up since your friends arrived.
Little Cats, Joe , Mr Manners, Armchair Psycho"
All wrong again, Mr. Manners.
I have stated probably fifty times on this site that I was a counselor. No secret there at all.
I went though a program that was far more hard-core than anything that even exists today, my man. No problem dealing with the feelings here. I'm not soft. Don't mistake kindness for weakness.
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Since you have nothing to do with HLA, and since you dont do these surveys yourself, why are you here and why are you talking about the situation like you know something about it?
Ah, I got swept in here on the Clinical Study vs Survey discussion, I've worked with surveys in the past and put in my 2 cents....... and never left. I wont be here long.
Little cats, Mr Manners
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I think I like Brucey Bee more than I like Mr. Manners :lol:
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On 2006-01-25 16:17:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-25 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dont make assumptions about people before you get to know them.
Before I made that statement I said something like "If I were to guess" so I wasnt assuming anything, just a stab based on how he handles conflict. But I got the counselor part right, too thin skinned to have been in a program himself.
And yes DJ you are acting straight-up since your friends arrived.
Little Cats, Joe , Mr Manners, Armchair Psycho"
All wrong again, Mr. Manners.
I have stated probably fifty times on this site that I was a counselor. No secret there at all.
I went though a program that was far more hard-core than anything that even exists today, my man. No problem dealing with the feelings here. I'm not soft. Don't mistake kindness for weakness.
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Okay DJ, I never read your past posts, I was wrong.
See its not that hard to say, I bet if I checked a few hundred of your posts I wouldnt see those 3 words anywhere, coming from you.
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On 2006-01-25 16:19:00, Short Bus wrote:
"I think I like Brucey Bee more than I like Mr. Manners :lol: "
Take it when you can get it Robert. Short Bus is awfully magnanimous today.
SB, did you read up today on HLA serving a bunch of folks to try to censor their commentary here?
Three lawsuits filed already this week. One against staff and two against fromer patients.
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Is this a fact Steve? And thank you, I'm in rare form today, feeling forgiving and open-hearted.I guess you can say I'm a little "bitch" as Brucey Bee usually call me! :rofl: :tup:
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Okay DJ, I never read your past posts, I was wrong.
See its not that hard to say, I bet if I checked a few hundred of your posts I wouldnt see those 3 words anywhere, coming from you.
Funny you mention that.
Here's a post of mine from earlier today. It's not unique.
When I posted that link I didn't look closely. I assumed it was Daytop Village, as I have never heard of another Daytop operating in CT. In any case, I should have looked more closely and vetted the source. That's my fault. My intention wasn't to mislead anyone about the facts.
Now, Mr. Manners, we got off on the wrong foot because I thought you were HLA Truth posting anonymously. That is the ONLY reason I asked if you would mind getting your posts linked. When you said "go ahead," I kinda already knew you weren't one of the craven little cowards from HLA.
I already explained how I got annoyed by you to the point where I lost my temper with you. THAT WAS WRONG OF ME. I didn't explain myself well enough to get my point across to you, which is surely my own shortcoming for not properly evaluating the situation.
That being said, I will say again for clarity, I am not in favor of censorship of any kind, nor do I want to see you kicked off of any forum including this one for any reason. I can work with Short Bus, I can work with you.
Now, I'm sorry for the harsh treatment earlier. Let's move forward with something more productive. Should you decide to want to talk about something, please start a thread of appropriate title so we may keep our discussions clear in the future.
Mr. Manners, the ball is in your court.
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On 2006-01-25 16:34:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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Okay DJ, I never read your past posts, I was wrong.
See its not that hard to say, I bet if I checked a few hundred of your posts I wouldnt see those 3 words anywhere, coming from you.
Funny you mention that.
Here's a post of mine from earlier today. It's not unique.
When I posted that link I didn't look closely. I assumed it was Daytop Village, as I have never heard of another Daytop operating in CT. In any case, I should have looked more closely and vetted the source. That's my fault. My intention wasn't to mislead anyone about the facts.
Now, Mr. Manners, we got off on the wrong foot because I thought you were HLA Truth posting anonymously. That is the ONLY reason I asked if you would mind getting your posts linked. When you said "go ahead," I kinda already knew you weren't one of the craven little cowards from HLA.
I already explained how I got annoyed by you to the point where I lost my temper with you. THAT WAS WRONG OF ME. I didn't explain myself well enough to get my point across to you, which is surely my own shortcoming for not properly evaluating the situation.
That being said, I will say again for clarity, I am not in favor of censorship of any kind, nor do I want to see you kicked off of any forum including this one for any reason. I can work with Short Bus, I can work with you.
Now, I'm sorry for the harsh treatment earlier. Let's move forward with something more productive. Should you decide to want to talk about something, please start a thread of appropriate title so we may keep our discussions clear in the future.
Mr. Manners, the ball is in your court.
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Fair enough, didnt expect that response, I guess I was wrong again.
Mr. Manners
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On 2006-01-25 16:26:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Is this a fact Steve? And thank you, I'm in rare form today, feeling forgiving and open-hearted.I guess you can say I'm a little "bitch" as Brucey Bee usually call me! :rofl: :tup: "
Short Bus, I think your true character is greatly underestimated, my man. You're definitely a good guy. I don't think you can hide that fact.
Now, have a look at this, son. What do you think?
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#167923 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13671&forum=41&start=0#167923)
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Oh Short Bus youre always a bitch. :grin: :grin:
Little Cats so youre acknowleding that you had nothing to do with any surveys done by HLA?
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Fair enough, didnt expect that response, I guess I was wrong again.
Mr. Manners
OK, Manners. Shall we start fresh then?
I don't think that when you get to know me that I will seem so bellicose to you.
I get really frustrated sometimes dealing with people who unwittingly (or often knowingly) support the abuse of children because they aren't intellectually equipped to fully comprehend the psychological damage done by Behavior Modification warehouses like HLA.
If I get out of hand at times it's because I care deeply what happens to these children and each piece of misinformation that goes unconfronted may lead to another child falling victim to this very sick system. I love the kids and don't suffer their abuse lightly.
I'm generally an affable guy though.
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Ok, I don't know if I will have time tonight to get to the end of this thread (or topic). But I want to answer this.
On 2006-01-25 08:53:00, Joe Goebbels wrote:
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On 2006-01-24 18:26:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"I'm seriously confused. What did I do that you think was wrong? Go ahead and pm me if you don't want to say. God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Antigen -- Good morning, I am not sure how to PM you.
Click the Profile button at the foot of any post other than anon ones then click "send private message".
Dysfunction Junction was seriously upset at my position on surveys to the point where he/she thought I was an ed counselor or affiliated with HLA and asked me to show who I was and have all my posts placed under a user name so she could look at my history here on the forum.
No, I don't think anyone's upset about the fact of the surveys being done. I think it's that we were talking about clinical studies and you jumped in w/ insistance that those marketing surveys are just the same, if not better. You're wrong, darlin, just plain wrong. They're not the same at all and you ought to know it.
I agreed and at the same time my search function was disrupted (the results come out in assending instead of descending order which makes it difficult to search anything over 200 posts).
No, that's just a limitation of the softwear. Everybody gets it. I'm almost up to the task of rewriting some of the pager code so that it will work within the search function. Patience, grasshopper! This is a volunteer effort, not a professional one. Many people and projects take precidence over non-trivial softwear improvements and bug fixes.
1. Is everyone satisfied with my history?
2. Did it serve a purpose?
3. Does this happen to everyone who disagrees with Dysfunction J. or who she/he suspects is an ed con or am I the first?
4. Why is she/he so sensitive to debate or people who challenge him/her, and why would you facilitate her personal needs?
Ok, you're assuming a WHOLE lot here. First, DJ hasn't got any more sway in how I admin this server than you do. I was only asking in general terms, what's your interest. DJ asked about tying your posts together and you said yes! I was surprised, but it is helpful. It's just damned hard to have a conversation w/ a dozen ppl when half of them are unidentifiable. How can you get upset for someone mistaking you for someone else when you're posting anon?
No, this doesn't happen to anyone who disagrees w/ anyone. This happens to people who either request it or who I ask and they give permission. That's another huge difference between an open forum and the Program. Ask any kid who's been through one of these places how much choice they had wrt divulging personal information. And THIS IS NOT PERSONAL!!! I don't know any more about you now than I did before I reassigned your anon posts. Everybody else now can find out, if their interested, the context in which you're speaking. That's it. That's the whole thing.
And, btw, I know who you are because you told me! I didn't go to any extra-ordinary means. I just read what you have written, and now you're mad at me! Waaaaahhhh! :cry2:
Sorry, don't mean to make fun of you. But really, isn't this a rediculous conversation?
And I didn't actually pick Little Cat for you, that was an error. I meant to pick Joe Goebbels for you, but as you can see, I haven't even found time to update your post count. I have since apologized to LittleCat, who seems like a decent sort of fellos. But it was only a prank. I think I sent you the password so you can change it. I'll try another way.
If you dont care to have me as part of your discussion, be up front with me, I will go away.
Little Cats
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No, I'm really glad you came along. And, fwiw, here's my assessment of who you are. I don't know if you're an edcon, a marketer, a lawyer, a "counselor" or you have financial interest in a behavior mod school. For all I know, you could be a PI, a rabidly dedicated parent volunteer or just another mad clown like Short Bus.
If I had to come up with a name for what you are, or what you do as it relates to the topic at hand, I'd have to say that you're something like one of Synanon's Imperial Marines. You can read up on that here. And I think that you should.
An Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
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Ahhh, the ever-so long winded Ginger! What's up baby cakes :wink:
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DJ, we hafta go out for a few V&T's dude...You ever come down to Atlantic City? How bout Hoboken?
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On 2006-01-25 16:56:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Oh Short Bus youre always a bitch. :grin: :grin:
Little Cats so youre acknowleding that you had nothing to do with any surveys done by HLA?"
Robert, you rock my life, ya little nigger boy! :tup:
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On 2006-01-25 17:20:00, Short Bus wrote:
"DJ, we hafta go out for a few V&T's dude...You ever come down to Atlantic City? How bout Hoboken? "
I'd do Atlantic City on a weekend. I love playing cards. My father-in-law is a bigtime high roller (he's worth about $20 million and has written two books on gambling) and I can get a room comped. That might be an idea.
I don't get to Hoboken too much, but one of my fraternity brothers (another dinosaur like me) that I'm really close with is living there now. I could get a two-for-one in and come down and hang with you guys.
My brother lives down that way too, near Princeton, so that's always a good staging area to hit AC.
We'll see, Bus. Of course you'd have to invite Brucey, too.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-25 17:47 ]
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On 2006-01-25 13:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
Thanks Ginger
Little cats"
No problem at all, darlin. Sorry again, I've been busier than a long tailed cat in a rocking chair factory, and haven't gotten to the end of this thread yet. Most of what ya'll are arguing about is misunderstanding that I think I can easily clear up.
Ya'll, quit picking on the guy. I honestly don't think he intends to disrupt, so much as he just really believes what he advocates. FWIW, I remember the drug discussion and I'm fairly certain he was being facetious in it.
Oh, and I temporarily lifted the limit on the search function. I'll try to get a pager in there soon. Meanwhile, try not to crash the server w/ rediculously broad searches.
Thanks,
More later,
Eudora -> ::read::
In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War
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Nice Steve! Can you get comps for the Borgata? How bout Bally's? I prefer AC to Hoboken any day. As far as Brucey Bee coming along, he doesn't live in the tri-state, does he? If so, I'd be honored to meet a man of such intelligence and grace.
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Ya'll, quit picking on the guy.
Yes, dear.
I'll see you all tomorrow to pick up the pieces. G'Nite, Manners.
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On 2006-01-25 17:52:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Nice Steve! Can you get comps for the Borgata? How bout Bally's? I prefer AC to Hoboken any day. As far as Brucey Bee coming along, he doesn't live in the tri-state, does he? If so, I'd be honored to meet a man of such intelligence and grace. "
To be fully honest with you, Bus, I have no idea who Brucey is or where he lives. I never asked and he never told. I only know him from here. You gotta give that guy props, though.
You're over 21 so we can gamble, right? I'm not about to contribute to the delinquency of an already severely delinquent minor, dude.
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I'm 25 brother. I love hitting the *roulette* tables, and blackjack is another fave of mine. I'm in AC at least once a month.
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On 2006-01-25 14:52:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
Ginger already told him that she did it by accident, but yet he carries on with his little fantasy that I did, whining all the while about how it's a "witch hunt."
Dude, I think he's having trouble keeping up w/ the flame war. Cut the dude some slack. Presume that he's saying just what he thinks. Put yourself in his shoes. He put his daughter into Rudy Bentz program and that contact alone is the impetus for his feirce dedication to the program. Maybe he's got some ulterior motive. If it's trolling for diversion, you're making him laugh pretty fucking hard. Maybe he just doesn't know the whole story.
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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Still not caught up, but... do ya wanna know just how many times ppl have asked SB to show his cards? I'd have to do some research. Know how many times he's said "sure, go right ahead?" As far as I know, none. See, I think maybe he has some integrity and expects it of the rest of us.
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Mark Twain
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Your right Ginger my sexy lady, I said NO each and every time, and hope that you can respect that, sweetheart! ::heart:: ::kiss:: My personal biz is exactly that, PERSONAL!
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I just get extremely frustrated with ol' Brucey Bee. The guys always trying to pull everyone elses cards, but wont reveal a fucking THING about his lousy, vindictive ass.
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Who are you calling scruffy looking?
Im interested to see all of your anon post to see just how many different people you pretended to be. Im also curious as to why you wont share the information.
As to why I dont, well look at the fact that just today two people were served with papers from HLA and that should tell you why I do not reveal personal information about myself. My anon post are free to look at, although I dont know that there are really many out there. The only times I ever posted anon was usually by accident, so there really isnt a point and I dont want Ginger going to all that trouble.
If theres something specific youd like to know about me then ask it, Ill either answer it or Ill tell you I cannot for my own protection.
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On 2006-01-25 19:26:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Who are you calling scruffy looking?
Im interested to see all of your anon post to see just how many different people you pretended to be. Im also curious as to why you wont share the information.
As to why I dont, well look at the fact that just today two people were served with papers from HLA and that should tell you why I do not reveal personal information about myself. My anon post are free to look at, although I dont know that there are really many out there. The only times I ever posted anon was usually by accident, so there really isnt a point and I dont want Ginger going to all that trouble.
If theres something specific youd like to know about me then ask it, Ill either answer it or Ill tell you I cannot for my own protection. "
Blah blah blah, same ol' same from Brucey Bee!! Dude, you aint getting my posts, get the FUCK over it jerk-off! The more you want them, the more power you are giving to me by saying ABSOLUTELY NOT! Never gonna happen dude..Go fuck off somewhere little kid..
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More power huh?
If you want to believe that go ahead but it doesnt change a thing.
Youre to much of a pussy to show the post. You know how pathetic and stupid you are and you dont want everyone else realizing it as well.
To bad for you youre to stupid to understand we already know the truth about you.
Be a man you little bitch own up to your own comments.
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If you "know" the truth SO MUCH, why are you on my dick for my anon posts? Retarded fucking bitch boy! :lol:
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Listen dude, just because you are ugly, doesn't mean you have to take it out on me.
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On 2006-01-25 19:46:00, Short Bus wrote:
"If you "know" the truth SO MUCH, why are you on my dick for my anon posts? Retarded fucking bitch boy! :lol: "
Know what? That youre a pathetic little douche who's afraid of his own comments?
Jesus Short Bus everyone knows that.
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On 2006-01-25 19:51:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Listen dude, just because you are ugly, doesn't mean you have to take it out on me. "
Still attracted to men huh Short Bus? Well to each his own I always say, unfortunatly for both of us thats just not my bag. Youll find a nice boy soon dont worry.
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HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BEING UN-ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN? Be honest ugly-boy..
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Your bag of tricks is getting worn outt man...You repeat the same bullshit answers time and time again..I'm outta here for the nite...Later dork boy! :lol:
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Later lil' Bitch. Come back when you grow a pair and can be a man about things. Don't forget your night light when you get into your jammies and hop into bed. We wouldnt want you getting to scared and having an accident.
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Sincere suggestion....
Why don't one of ya'll start the Bruce/Shorbus thread and when the urge strikes to dis the other, comment about body parts, or missing body parts, sexual preference, or looks, or whatever might amuse you at the moment... you can bump up that thread and go at it. You could go on for literally hours/days/weeks/years. No complaints from innocent by-standers. Every thread wouldn't contain 2,3,4 pages of 'whatever' ya'll call this thing you do. Think about it.
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On 2006-01-25 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Sincere suggestion....
Why don't one of ya'll start the Bruce/Shorbus thread and when the urge strikes to dis the other, comment about body parts, or missing body parts, sexual preference, or looks, or whatever might amuse you at the moment... you can bump up that thread and go at it. You could go on for literally hours/days/weeks/years. No complaints from innocent by-standers. Every thread wouldn't contain 2,3,4 pages of 'whatever' ya'll call this thing you do. Think about it. "
I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, I DON'T AGREE...I LOVE WATCHING THESE TWO DUDES GO AT IT! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, JUST LEAVE THE FORUM SIR. NO OFFENSE.
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Ok, I finally reached the end of the interweb, or maybe just the end of this thread. Hard to tell, what is the extent of the interweb anyway?
What was it we were talking about again? Oh yeah, whether or not the rumors about HLA were true. And then came the 'trial by fire' fidelity test of the querier.
Dear original anon, I think you've gotten your answer. Whether you set out to snag the critics doing dirty deeds or honestly sought to find out into who's care you have entrusted your progeney, I think you've got your answer.
Do what you must, that's my best advice.
My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it. An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic.
--Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author
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Straight, Sarasota
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Why I Live at the PO
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On 2006-01-25 18:43:00, Short Bus wrote:
"I just get extremely frustrated with ol' Brucey Bee. The guys always trying to pull everyone elses cards, but wont reveal a fucking THING about his lousy, vindictive ass."
Until they figure out the whole game, I think the most die hard resisters are the best tools. Great friends, fiersome enemies once they do figure it out, though."One commentator pointed out that when the mafia commits violence, no
one suggests we bomb Sicily. Today it seems we are, in a symbolic way, not only bombing "Sicily," but are thinking about bombing "Athens" (Iraq)."
Ron Paul, 11/29/01 Speech before Congress
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On 2006-01-22 20:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And BTW... Hidden Lake gave families over 250,000 dollars in scholarships last year. 10% of the families go there for free."
Using your "conservative" ("inaccurate") tuition numbers of $5700.00/mo (NOT INCLUDING PSYCHIATRIST FEES OR OTHER INCEDENTALS) we arrive at a yearly cost of $68,400.00 per year per student (not inclusive).
$250,000.00 in scholarships covers roughly 3.6 students per year. Add in the "incidentals" and that covers about 3 kids per year.
That equals about 1.5% of the population on scholarship.
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Unless things have dramatically changed yes it is very much a lie.
They not only accept court ordered kids but the majority of those kids are sent there for violent offenses.
Now the HLA puppets will tell you they dont really accept court ordered kids, because the kid has a choice between jail or HLA.
But common sense will tell you they are playing with semantics and they do in fact take court ordered kids. In fact they encourage it because it is that much harder for a court ordered kid to get pulled.
In fact in my experience they not only accept them, but they will often try and get non court ordered kids court ordered once they arrive.
Hit this one on the head, Robert.
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they oviously take violent kids,i was sent there for violence being the biggest problem with me
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Guest could you PM me please.