Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 08:37:00 AM
Maybe you've dealt with her in CEDU's parent seminars?
Maybe you've attended some classes with her at U of M?
Maybe you've heard what her son has to say about her?
Maybe you belong to the same Country Club?
Maybe you are friends with (or are) her ex-husband?
What can you tell about her son who left RMA in 1999?
This is certain to be a very interesting discussion. Please try to stay on topic in this thread. If your purpose is to flame Anne, please do it in the "Ottawa Sucks Moosecock" thread in the CEDU forum, as it won't be germane to our more thoughtful discussion here.
Thank you.
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 09:35:00 AM
I know her through a professional contact - I do not wish to say more.
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 11:39:00 AM
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in the spirt of christmas i thought i would be the first to say what many are thinking this time of year: parents are a bitch.
i love my parents and am glad i can anonymously talk on hear.
theres a lot of other shit that gets piled on those good feelings.
my mom is such a fuck up. its like she never wanted to grow up. now she is like a small child trapped in a midlle aged wmans body. she has temper tantrums and acts like a bitch. she can never think about how she hurts everyone by all the things she does. she is just so selfish, like a little baby who knows nothing more than what they want. she does not act like an adult who is ideally selfless and thinks of little more than what there children want and need.
my dad is such a prick too. he is really domineering and thinks he knows everything. he thinks because he is a big success in life he knows everything. he is always blaming everyone else for any mistakes he makes. i see him less though since hes' always worked, so my mom is really the big fucking bitch in my life.
sometimes i just want to tell her what a fucking stupid cunt she is. i want to tell her to fuck off and that she is a shitty mom. but that ends up hurting me too. what i really want is for her to just love me and be my mom. i want her to be selfless and take care of me. but if you ask her this she acts all like "i have my own shit to deal with, i can't worry about your needs". If shes so fucked up why doesnt she just see a therapist or something. what a fucking bitch. i hate christmas.
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let me guess: anne hall is your mom, right?
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THIS WOMAN SURE KNOW HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS!! :nworthy: :lol:
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 01:40:00 PM
This is all, originally, because I rejected her reasoning and had what should have been an intellectual argument with her. Of course, as anyone who has dealt with her knows, she became abusive and condescending, getting progressively more viscious and threatening.
She has been known to post posing as her son, posing as her daughter and just simply anonymously. She no longer uses her handle at all on this forum because she has flamed and derided so many people that she is immediately attacked if she does post.
Just recently, on another thread, she has appealed to users of this forum to give out whatever personal information they may have about me in order to criminally harrass me by trying to use whatever information she could get to report it to my employer and get me fired from my position.
Fortunately, she is so universally despised on this forum (and apparently in her life, according to some of her profesional contacts) that she had no takers on her inquiry.
My advice is to steer clear of this rude and abusive drunken sot.
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Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 02:59:00 PM
Ok, Annie, if you want you can use this avatar. Did you know that Woody Allen's original name for the movie and leading lady was Annie Hedonea. That's what the movie was really all about.If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
Ginger, I'm your biggest groupie!
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2006, 01:02:00 PM
I'm a friend of a family member and heard about what's going on here. No personal bone to pick just a college student who's heard about EM schools and had a couple of friends in one of them. Really no opinion on them beyond that
She sure doesn't act like somebody who's guilty or upset or cares much about the whole thing
What you're doing here is strange. It makes no sense. Anybody who knows Anne Hall would just dismiss you as crack-pots because there's no way for a bunch of reasons that you could be right in all these claims you're making I can think of some things you're claiming that aren't even possible
Anyone who knows Anne Hall knows that she is a good person. She's taken in foster kids that nobody else wants. Not one but many, even teenagers who are real hard to place. For years. She's run support groups for kids with no economic resources, worked with gifted kids who otherwise wouldn't even get to college or do well. Her house is always a home for teens who I bet would be getting into trouble if they had no place to hang. She's won awards for her work too.
So I hear about this board from my friend and I come here and I can't believe what I'm hearing. Maybe you guys are frauds and making posts and claiming that they're hers because you just hate these schools and she doesn't.
Maybe others have posted in her name. The whole IP address thing doesn't mean much:lots of people can post from the same location: that info tells you WHERE the post is coming from not WHO it's coming
So congrats guys you've worked hard at defaming a nice woman who you're lucky doesn't sue the asses off you
Yet. I understand some people in her life are encouraging her to think about it
Post by: Troll Control on January 28, 2006, 02:24:00 PM
On the odd chance that this poster ISN'T Annie, just do a search of the posts of Ottawa5. You're in for an eyeful. That lady is SICK!
Post by: Antigen on January 28, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
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Thom Hartmann's "Independent Thinker" Book of the Month Review (excerpt)
An American Jew of German ancestry, and a brilliant reporter, Mayer went to Germany 7 years after Hitler's fall and befriended 10 Nazis. This book is, in large part, his story of that experience. Intertwined through it -- written in 1955 -- are repeated overt and subtle warnings to future generations of Americans -- us, today.
Mayer opens the book by noting that he was prepared to hate the Nazis he would meet. But, he wrote, he discovered they were just as human as the rest of us:
I liked them. I couldn't help it. Again and again, as I sat or walked with one or another of my ten [Nazi] friends, I was overcome by the same sensation that had got in the way of my newspaper reporting in Chicago years before [in the 1930s]. I liked Al Capone. I liked the way he treated his mother. He treated her better than I treated mine.
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Excellent book, that one. I highly recommend it to anyone interested in the phenomena of massive denial of the obvious. Not only does the author have an unparalleled standing and perspective, he's just a damned fine student of human behavior and an eloquent writer.
The sadist cannot stand the separation of the public and the private; nor can he grant to others the mystery of their personality, the validity of their inner self...in order for him to feel his maximum power, he wants the world to be peopled with concrete manipulatable objects...
-- ERNEST BECKER, The Structure of Evil, 1968.
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
Sure, she thinks she?s changing the world. But she is one of those people who is literally incapable of listening to anything ? to actually hearing anything ? that she disagrees with. She puts on a good act and has a lot of people fooled. But make no mistake about it, all of her ?helping? is actually feeding her enormous ego.
Some people help others because they want to ? because their hearts are in it. This woman is only serving herself. Believe it.
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On 2006-01-28 10:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know you people are crazy.
I'm a friend of a family member and heard about what's going on here. No personal bone to pick just a college student who's heard about EM schools and had a couple of friends in one of them. Really no opinion on them beyond that
She sure doesn't act like somebody who's guilty or upset or cares much about the whole thing
What you're doing here is strange. It makes no sense. Anybody who knows Anne Hall would just dismiss you as crack-pots because there's no way for a bunch of reasons that you could be right in all these claims you're making I can think of some things you're claiming that aren't even possible
Anyone who knows Anne Hall knows that she is a good person. She's taken in foster kids that nobody else wants. Not one but many, even teenagers who are real hard to place. For years. She's run support groups for kids with no economic resources, worked with gifted kids who otherwise wouldn't even get to college or do well. Her house is always a home for teens who I bet would be getting into trouble if they had no place to hang. She's won awards for her work too.
So I hear about this board from my friend and I come here and I can't believe what I'm hearing. Maybe you guys are frauds and making posts and claiming that they're hers because you just hate these schools and she doesn't.
Maybe others have posted in her name. The whole IP address thing doesn't mean much:lots of people can post from the same location: that info tells you WHERE the post is coming from not WHO it's coming
So congrats guys you've worked hard at defaming a nice woman who you're lucky doesn't sue the asses off you
Yet. I understand some people in her life are encouraging her to think about it
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Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
Annie sucks moose cock.
Post by: Troll Control on January 29, 2006, 08:05:00 AM
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So congrats guys you've worked hard at defaming a nice woman who you're lucky doesn't sue the asses off you
Yet. I understand some people in her life are encouraging her to think about it
She had better get ready to get hit hard with countersuits. She's done several iilegal things on here including soliciting personal information about posters for the purpose of committing a crime and/or tort. She has also defamed several others. If she thinks she's the only one who can get free legal representation to take this all the way to the end, she had better re-evaluate the situation.
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 12:58:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 29, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-29 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh man, shut up you little fairies. No one's gonna make a lawsuit over some silly little posts on an anti-cedu message board. Eat a dick, every last one of you little whiney bitches, and you can SUE ME for that one. CEDU rules!"
This one's definitely not Annie. Too honest.
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
I understand that part of the internet subculture is bluff and bravado. That is what it is, though perhaps not particularly admirable. What I see here does not seem to me to rise to the level of any tort or crime. Specifically there does not seem to be anything wrong with any poster asking other posters about the identity of someone. This is constitutionally protected discouse. An individual does not have any protected right to come to a site like this and be guaranteed anonymity.
I believe that this would be true even if the intent behind the information is to embarass the person identified.
Now if there were reasonable indications that the person trying to make the identification were individually or as part of a conspiracy intending to do physical harm to the poster or even use the information to harass by going to the poster's home and threatening him or her or something of that nature, well there is probably a tort or even a crime involved. Using the information for blackmail would fall into the same categories. I would recommend a phone tap and other measures for anyone who felt themselves so threatened.
This is quite different that asking for information, getting it, and talking about it, all of which is protected. People do not have a right to anonymity by using a screen name. That's my view of it, any of you is able to seek legal advice if you disagree.
I would really encourage all of you to think about your behavior here. Some of the comments made would not encourage me as a parent to be impressed by the arguments put forward. If you don't like each then just don't talk to each other. If you really want to take the high road just don't even talk about each other.
And use all this energy for something productive.
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on January 30, 2006, 12:59:00 AM
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On 2006-01-29 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
An individual does not have any protected right to come to a site like this and be guaranteed anonymity.
Then you wouldn't mind my tying your anon posts together? ::hehehmm::
When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 05:45:00 PM
Is it realistic to assume that posts coming from one location (or one log-in or one user-account for that matter) can automatically be assumed to be generated by the same person?
Personally I think not. For a number of reasons. For example in some settings such as libraries and in many academic institutions, there is no personal sign-in to use
the internet. Patrons or students just walk in and google. In such settings, I assume the one who signs on is some librarian or administrator for the whole system, which may consist of dozens or even hundreds of terminals.
I've also seen this situation in residence halls and businesses. The same situation may exist in other settings as well, I don't know. That is, more than on person within the whole group in these locations will seem to be generating messages from the same IP address.
Similarly, in families it's pretty common for one family member sign on and just leave the computer logged in. Throughout the day other members of the household or their friends may be using the computer for their own, different purposes. But it might appear that all the posts are coming from that one individual since that person is the one signed in.
And of course there is identity "borrowing" where one member of a group (as in a dorm) or a family may be use another member's email or other data, with or without that individual's permission.
And think about people who let friends use their computers: won't that look like all the posts are coming from the owner when they're really not?
I realize that this may be a very-cyber incorrect way to act, to share or leave your personal data around like that, but it happens, I guarantee you.
So I maintain that posts on the internet can be tracked to a location with much more certainty than to a person. Unless and until we have video-conferencing or some other way of identifying posters more exactly, verifying that so-and-so posted a certain message is just not possible. It's really more of a hunch than a provable reality at present.
Post by: Troll Control on January 30, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
Only Anne S. Hall posted as "Ottawa5," although she posted anon and posed as others as well. But all that need be done is read the posts that are guaranteed to be her: i.e. the ones she signed.
She's a viscious, smug, arrogant, overbearing, condescending bitch, plain and simple. Zebras don't change their stripes either.
Even people who actually worked with her say she's awful, and, frankly, that assertion is backed up by her online volumes of disgusting and degrading posts. Bottom line is that this person has no business being in the treatment business and needs extensive therapy herself for her egosyntonicism.
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2006, 05:58:00 PM
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On 2006-01-30 14:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not to start an argument, but your question raises an issue that I've thought about when reading these pages. And since you appear to know a lot about computers and internet communication, maybe you could give your thoughts on this subject.
Is it realistic to assume that posts coming from one location (or one log-in or one user-account for that matter) can automatically be assumed to be generated by the same person?
Personally I think not. For a number of reasons. For example in some settings such as libraries and in many academic institutions, there is no personal sign-in to use
the internet. Patrons or students just walk in and google. In such settings, I assume the one who signs on is some librarian or administrator for the whole system, which may consist of dozens or even hundreds of terminals.
I've also seen this situation in residence halls and businesses. The same situation may exist in other settings as well, I don't know. That is, more than on person within the whole group in these locations will seem to be generating messages from the same IP address.
Similarly, in families it's pretty common for one family member sign on and just leave the computer logged in. Throughout the day other members of the household or their friends may be using the computer for their own, different purposes. But it might appear that all the posts are coming from that one individual since that person is the one signed in.
And of course there is identity "borrowing" where one member of a group (as in a dorm) or a family may be use another member's email or other data, with or without that individual's permission.
And think about people who let friends use their computers: won't that look like all the posts are coming from the owner when they're really not?
I realize that this may be a very-cyber incorrect way to act, to share or leave your personal data around like that, but it happens, I guarantee you.
So I maintain that posts on the internet can be tracked to a location with much more certainty than to a person. Unless and until we have video-conferencing or some other way of identifying posters more exactly, verifying that so-and-so posted a certain message is just not possible. It's really more of a hunch than a provable reality at present."
too funny...you make it sound like everybody at a potential school/office/internet cafe is signing on to Fornits thereby assuring them for the most part of their anonymity.
let's be realistic...this isn't the NY Times...this is a pretty obscure website so I feel that I could assume more safely that anon posts can be tied together.
I'd be willing to bet that if Ginger wanted to tie your "anon' posts together that she would probably hit it with 95% accuracy.
sure...what you say may be true...there could be multiple people signing on to Fornits from your office/school...but I doubt it.
Post by: Son Of Serbia on January 31, 2006, 09:34:00 AM
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On 2006-01-30 14:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"sure...what you say may be true...there could be multiple people signing on to Fornits from your office/school...but I doubt it."
There's actually only two or three people involved, Anne Hall AKA Ottawa5 herself, her programmed son who studies medicine at the University of Minn. (and who wishes that our children will kill us all one day),and possibly Annie's dyslexic carbon copy daughter who posted here as Ottawa2.
Most likely they're all signing on from Anne's home computer in St. Paul, Minnesota.
Speaking of Annie's broken home & disturbed family unit: I wonder why is it that we've never heard Anne talk about Mr.Hall, her ex-husband?
Why did he bail out on you Annie? Could it be because you're a crazy, egocentric, self-serving bitch, and he just couldn't stand you anymore? Whatever it was, It must've pretty bad for him to just pick up and leave, and abandon his kids like that! Did Anne's epiphamy , IE: her sudden obsession with cedu values & beliefs and overnight career change have anything to do
with it? I know that if I was Anne's husband, and she acted half as insane at home as she does here, I'd probably run like hell too!
I wonder if anyone here knows how to get in touch with Mr. Hall, perhaps the Anon who claims to know Annie professionally? It would be interesting to hear his views on Cedu, Annie's insane behavior, and how this has affected his children.
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Post by: Antigen on January 31, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
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On 2006-01-31 06:34:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
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There's actually only two or three people involved, Anne Hall AKA Ottawa5 herself, her programmed son who studies medicine at the University of Minn. (and who wishes that our children will kill us all one day),and possibly Annie's dyslexic carbon copy daughter who posted here as Ottawa2.
Yah know, initially I believed that w/ a grain of salt. Having taken a little time and looked over Anne's posts, I'm not so sure. Hell, I'm not even sure the son and daughter exist, let alone that they actually would say the things Anne wants them to say.
Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
Post by: Annie Hall on February 01, 2006, 02:30:00 AM
I have received thousands of emails from people in these posts who were helped by CEDU. They are afraid to speak up, because of attacks here. Your use of obscenities does not help strengthen your points. I would say more if I had time. But as I have told you before, I really don't care about what all of you say here. Those who know me know that I have the heart of a saint.
Of particular note, people have told me what great benefit the raps held. They only wish that they could find a place with raps now. These people understand that they need not be burdened with self-esteem or a strong self identity. Of what use are these things when CEDU can help define you as a person?
Also, people email me asking if I can host Profeets. I am working on this right now. I am creating a place for troubled teens to find themselves using the classic Profeet model. Three days with sleep deprivation really helps them get their dirt out. After we tear them down, we can rebuild a completely new person.
These ideas of self-identity, self-determination, and internal locus of control are exactly what is wrong with our children today. We need to wipe the slate clean and create a whole new person. Only then, can we help these youth who so desperately need us.
For those of you who hate me, all I can say is that I have received thousands of emails from people who have benefited from CEDU, from my work in the community, and from my highly insightful and informative posts. If you don't like it, I don't really care. I never did spend much time in these posts at all.
If you wish to email me, please do so at iamastupidfatignorantbitch@aol.com
Have a nice day!
:wave:
Post by: Antigen on February 01, 2006, 02:37:00 AM
Forgiveness is divine. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction.
--Antigen
Post by: Son Of Serbia on February 01, 2006, 09:18:00 AM
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On 2006-01-31 06:34:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
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There's actually only two or three people involved, Anne Hall AKA Ottawa5 herself, her programmed son who studies medicine at the University of Minn. (and who wishes that our children will kill us all one day),and possibly Annie's dyslexic carbon copy daughter who posted here as Ottawa2.
Yah know, initially I believed that w/ a grain of salt. Having taken a little time and looked over Anne's posts, I'm not so sure. Hell, I'm not even sure the son and daughter exist, let alone that they actually would say the things Anne wants them to say.Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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I see your point Ginger. Truth be told, Anne is so full of shit that I'm not so sure what to believe either.
Honestly, I hope that it really was Anne posing as her son and daughter. The idea that Anne continues to exert that much control over her grown up children sickens me. Anne's "kids" never demonstrated a single independent thought of their own when they posted here. Everything they ever said here was a regurgitation of something Anne had posted earlier. If her kids are indeed real, then it's time for Anne to release them from the nest, so they can lead their own lives, and start thinking for themselves.
Post by: Annie Hall on February 01, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
Have a nice day!
:wave:
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 11:52:00 AM
Post by: Annie Hall on February 03, 2006, 05:30:00 PM
You people have been threatening me and my family. Because you are all too ignominious to appreciate and benefit from CEDU's meritorious program, you fill these posts with your small-minded missives. Your goal is to hurt, but you yourselves are vile and puerile that they are not worth my time. I do not care what any of you say here. Your libel and slander have no affect on me whatsoever. My son is perfect and this is only because of CEDU. I believe you are all envious of me - that is YOUR problem; not mine. I cannot help the fact that I have been making the right decisions in my life. You could learn by my example how to do the right thing, how to live right, how to be on the correct side of life. When my facility is up and running, I will provide an opportunity for all of you to learn from my example and that of my son. He cannot help being the perfect child, yet you blame and shame him. I think you people are despicable. But be aware, you cannot affect me and I do not care what you say here with your libel and slander.
Be aware that I have been been printing out all of your posts. I will be showing them to my attorney on Monday.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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On 2006-02-03 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That was almost funny. It was like 25% of the way there. Keep workin' on it, you might get a laugh eventually."
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: Annie Hall on February 03, 2006, 08:42:00 PM
I am the "scary" ottawa5 "bitch" poster---and this is one of the silliest things I have read here.
What threats? There aren't any---I hope that this Anon poster is just seeking sympathy/attention by pretending to have weathered all these terrible assaults from me. If he/she really believes this, well, there is a need for some kind of attention to keep hold of reality.
Anyone can check the veracity of this person's statements just by looking at my posts.
The only thing that I can remotely gather as being what Anon is referring to is one time when I was attacked by some person who was absolutely hysterical because I had defended a different point of view, and I said something like it was libelous to falsely accuse people of illegal acts.
It is, by the way, although no libelous statements had been made but that seemed to be the direction the hysterical remarks were going and that was the reason for my comment.
If someone is such a fragile hot-house flower that this constitutes a threat, then good luck to them functioning in the real world, if they ever happen to find themselves there.
As for the scariness of the time I put into these threads, I don't see how that is Anon's concern but I really don't spend much time at it---I've got to assume that Anon is a pretty slow, laboriously reader, writer, or typer, or perhaps very low on energy, because it really doesn't take much of my time at all to check in and respond from time to time.
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2006, 09:50:00 PM
YEAH. AND CEDU WAS THE REAL WORLD, RIGHT?
Post by: Annie Hall on February 03, 2006, 10:02:00 PM
I have a lot of concerns about what has happened to some posters here, especially because it happened in the name of what I consider to have been a good, useful program, at least at the time my son was in it: just because I don't emote to your satisfaction on a web site, please do not assume that I do not.
Speaking of me being presumptuous, what gives you the right to judge my level of concern on such a superficial basis? Life is not the Jerry Springer show, you know, all sensation and over-the-top declarations, and superficial blurting that passes for real feelings.
I will show my concern in real life, by doing something to improve these programs and, in other ways, to help kids who are ruining their lives because they have lost regard for the value of who they are.
The authenticity of my concern is something that I judge by my interactions with others every day and that is how I will continue to judge it, not on the basis of your constant long-distance and may I say, not terribly objective, evaluations in this forum.
Thanks, but I'll leave what you apparently view as a correct "one-size-fits-all" style of theatrical caring to those who are better than I am at playing to other people's assumptions.
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On 2006-02-03 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If someone is such a fragile hot-house flower that this constitutes a threat, then good luck to them functioning in the real world, if they ever happen to find themselves there.
YEAH. AND CEDU WAS THE REAL WORLD, RIGHT?"
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2006, 09:37:00 AM
As for "one size fits all": that defines to a t the way CEDU treated all individuals at the program regardless of their specific situation.
Post by: Annie Hall on February 04, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Unfortunately, you are all too small-minded to appreciate what CEDU had to give to you. I pity all of you. Since CEDU, my son never has made an error in judgment, and I am certain that he never will. CEDU gave me the perfect son. I cannot help it if others are envious of me for it.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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On 2006-02-04 06:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The truth is, life IS a Jerry Springer show at CEDU. That's the whole concern. The only thing missing was a camera. In fact, the more Springer-sized your "confessions," "dirt," and subsequent "epiphany," the better.
As for "one size fits all": that defines to a t the way CEDU treated all individuals at the program regardless of their specific situation. "
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
Post by: Son Of Serbia on February 09, 2006, 11:30:00 AM
Anonymous wrote:
?For the record peeps, I'm anon, but so is this oprah winfrey sob story serbian. I asked him repeatedly for a full name or address but the little girl wouldn't give me one. Without that info what good is a vague screenname anyways. He IS anonymous. I wouldnt go kill this guy anyways I'd just use the contacts info to fuck his wife down. Violate his marriage like his daddy violated his youth.?
Y'know, I'm still trying to figure out if it was Anne's son, or Anne herself who threatened my wife at ceduconverts..err..cedualumni.com. Anyways, this is yet another fine illustration of how sick cedu supporters (like Anne Hall) really are. The fact is, these sickos will stop at nothing to silence people from speaking the truth about their beloved cult.
It's a good thing I don't scare easily.
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Post by: Anonymous on February 09, 2006, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 09, 2006, 05:41:00 PM
The "Halls of Sickness"
Post by: Annie Hall on February 09, 2006, 07:04:00 PM
Have a nice day!
:wave:
Post by: Annie Hall on February 09, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Have a nice day!
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On 2006-02-09 14:41:00, Anonymous wrote::wave: [ This Message was edited by: Annie Hall on 2006-02-09 16:07 ]
"http://www.google.com/search?sa=X&oi=fwp&pb=f&q=anne+hall+minneapolis
The "Halls of Sickness""
Post by: shanlea on February 09, 2006, 11:46:00 PM
But go ahead, print this out and show it to your lawyer.
Besides, Anne Hall was too snooty for this: :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on February 11, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
I did find it amusing though that the new Annie uses many of the same catch-phrases and also misspells the same words for consistency.
I especially like the numerous references to not spending much time here, even though it's clear that Fornits is a second life to old Annie. She's pretty much a useless loser, failure of a parent and all-around malfeasant with absolutely nothing better to do than mainline CEDU and spew on here.
Hi, Annie, you sick fuck! :wave:
Post by: Troll Control on February 11, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
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On 2006-02-09 08:30:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
"http://www.cedualumni.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=93&forum=5&start=30&41
Anonymous wrote:
?For the record peeps, I'm anon, but so is this oprah winfrey sob story serbian. I asked him repeatedly for a full name or address but the little girl wouldn't give me one. Without that info what good is a vague screenname anyways. He IS anonymous. I wouldnt go kill this guy anyways I'd just use the contacts info to fuck his wife down. Violate his marriage like his daddy violated his youth.?
Y'know, I'm still trying to figure out if it was Anne's son, or Anne herself who threatened my wife at ceduconverts..err..cedualumni.com. Anyways, this is yet another fine illustration of how sick cedu supporters (like Anne Hall) really are. The fact is, these sickos will stop at nothing to silence people from speaking the truth about their beloved cult.
It's a good thing I don't scare easily.
.
[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2006-02-09 08:40 ]"
From the CEDU bbs:
"Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 09:45 AM
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>>He keeps talking about an invitation but he won't give me anymore contact info than he's an abused serbian living in chicago. What am I gonna do go to chicago and ask each of the residents if they've seen a DICKLESS SERBIAN around? At the very least I'd get three (him his dad and son). Thats not good enough for me, If I go to chicago I want to know exactly the guy whose wife I'm gonna be fucking. This guy's invitation line is a bunch of lies. Lucky him, I don't want to make him relive his childhood anyways, he's pitiful enough as it is. :lol:
>>
>>I wish serb wouldve said:
>>http://www.abuse-excuse.com/nav01/book_daddy.gif (http://www.abuse-excuse.com/nav01/book_daddy.gif)
>>when he was younger, maybe he wouldnt be such a prick now always wanting to fight people to try and prove he isn't the DICKLESS SERBIRAN (an impossible task cuz thats what he is- he should just accept that his dad castrated him and move on)
HEY LITTLE BOY, you can read about your CUNT of a MOM right here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =11&Sort=D (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13566&forum=11&Sort=D)
She's FAMOUS! And so are you, sick little rape fantasizing boy. See you at the COUNTRY CLUB, faggot."
Post by: Annie Hall on February 11, 2006, 12:53:00 PM
I cannot be responsible for all of your failings nor for the fact that you ugly people are envious of my flawless family.
And I am not aware of any misspellings.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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On 2006-02-11 07:26:00, Anonymous wrote:[ This Message was edited by: Annie Hall on 2006-02-11 09:54 ]
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On 2006-02-09 08:30:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
"http://www.cedualumni.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB_14&file=index&action=viewtopic&topic=93&forum=5&start=30&41
Anonymous wrote:
?For the record peeps, I'm anon, but so is this oprah winfrey sob story serbian. I asked him repeatedly for a full name or address but the little girl wouldn't give me one. Without that info what good is a vague screenname anyways. He IS anonymous. I wouldnt go kill this guy anyways I'd just use the contacts info to fuck his wife down. Violate his marriage like his daddy violated his youth.?
Y'know, I'm still trying to figure out if it was Anne's son, or Anne herself who threatened my wife at ceduconverts..err..cedualumni.com. Anyways, this is yet another fine illustration of how sick cedu supporters (like Anne Hall) really are. The fact is, these sickos will stop at nothing to silence people from speaking the truth about their beloved cult.
It's a good thing I don't scare easily.
.
[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2006-02-09 08:40 ]"
From the CEDU bbs:
"Posted: Feb 09, 2006 - 09:45 AM
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>>He keeps talking about an invitation but he won't give me anymore contact info than he's an abused serbian living in chicago. What am I gonna do go to chicago and ask each of the residents if they've seen a DICKLESS SERBIAN around? At the very least I'd get three (him his dad and son). Thats not good enough for me, If I go to chicago I want to know exactly the guy whose wife I'm gonna be fucking. This guy's invitation line is a bunch of lies. Lucky him, I don't want to make him relive his childhood anyways, he's pitiful enough as it is. :lol:
>>
>>I wish serb wouldve said:
>>http://www.abuse-excuse.com/nav01/book_daddy.gif (http://www.abuse-excuse.com/nav01/book_daddy.gif)
>>when he was younger, maybe he wouldnt be such a prick now always wanting to fight people to try and prove he isn't the DICKLESS SERBIRAN (an impossible task cuz thats what he is- he should just accept that his dad castrated him and move on)
HEY LITTLE BOY, you can read about your CUNT of a MOM right here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =11&Sort=D (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13566&forum=11&Sort=D)
She's FAMOUS! And so are you, sick little rape fantasizing boy. See you at the COUNTRY CLUB, faggot."
"
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
2) If SOS really believes that somebody whose name and address he knows threatened his wife with rape why doesn't he turn them in to the police? I've got to think he really doesn't know, he's just posturing cuz for some reason he's got so much of his life invested in this site.
3) It's like deja vu all over again. First you people (or people you know even) get sent to a school you don't like, you (or the people you know) leave one way or another.
Then you guys obsess about that past school experience day after day FOR DECADES, going on and on about it, instead of moving on.
Now some woman posts for a few months here, gives opinions you don't like, in a style you don't like, she leaves never to be heard from again, and here we go, you people have to INVENT a character for her, so you can obsess over her posts. Day after day, most likely for decades too, going on and on about her too, instead of moving on.
So how do you spell STUCK IN THE PAST?
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 03:03:00 PM
Do not judge the wounds here. Just because people are posting here does not mean they did not get on with their lives. But their experiences with CEDU were a PART of their lives. And it resonates with many persons here.
Annie came here and dug into people's wounds. She is, in my opinion, a horrible person. And then when some anon crops up now and again and claims to be her "friend" and talks about how she told them about Fornits but she doesn't care, I suspect that may actually be her. There are too many words about what a wonderful person she is. Too much defense of "she who really does not care what is said here." Right. She posted thousands of ugly and hurtful words while claiming she did not care what was said here, and that she hardly ever spent any time here. Incredible.
She, in fact, sent me a couple of threatening notes. I made the mistake of giving her my email address. This was at the very beginning when she was claiming that she wanted to know about people's experiences. As soon as people started telling her their stories, she began to show her true colours - ugly posts, using her considerable facility for the English language to yank people's chains. She is intelligent and able to confuse some of the people here. I think she is a despicable person, and, as I said, when I suspected she was back, I started posting as Annie Hall. I took a couple of her old posts and pasted them here.
You could take the activity in these posts as evidence for the level of harm inflicted on people. What if your house burned down and you were burned trying to save your pet, but he died, nonetheless? You may have a scar that bothers you the rest of your life. Over the years, the intense physical pain would be long gone, but you would have that scar as a reminder for the rest of your life.
You would move on, but it would always be a terrible memory and a part of you. Please do not judge these people - what lies in their hearts is their own. Annie was attacked by these posters because of the utter rubbish she threw at everyone while boasting about her perfect family. She even dragged her daughter into these posts, which caused me to despise her even more. What a stupid and irresponsible thing to do!
I'm sorry I'm not clever enough for you. Unlike Annie, I actually do not have a lot of time for these threads. I just thought I would have a lark poking fun at her because it sure looked like she came back.
If you don't like what people are posting here, you can always read elsewhere. Most of the people here are friendly and supportive of each other. Annie greatly disrupted that atmosphere. I hope she truly is gone for good. I'm weary of her attitude, her stupid, "have a nice day," and the waving green guy she posted so frequently. She hurt people, plain and simple.
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On 2006-02-11 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"1) Annie was absolutely A LOT more witty than this satire (read the OTTAWA5 posts) but that's probably because the Annie Hall character you've invented is so lame, maybe it'll get better,maybe somebody else will take it over and do a better job with it
2) If SOS really believes that somebody whose name and address he knows threatened his wife with rape why doesn't he turn them in to the police? I've got to think he really doesn't know, he's just posturing cuz for some reason he's got so much of his life invested in this site.
3) It's like deja vu all over again. First you people (or people you know even) get sent to a school you don't like, you (or the people you know) leave one way or another.
Then you guys obsess about that past school experience day after day FOR DECADES, going on and on about it, instead of moving on.
Now some woman posts for a few months here, gives opinions you don't like, in a style you don't like, she leaves never to be heard from again, and here we go, you people have to INVENT a character for her, so you can obsess over her posts. Day after day, most likely for decades too, going on and on about her too, instead of moving on.
So how do you spell STUCK IN THE PAST?"
Post by: Anonymous on February 11, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 09:09:00 AM
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On 2006-02-11 10:25:00, An Anonymous Cedu Sheep wrote:
"
2) If SOS really believes that somebody whose name and address he knows threatened his wife with rape why doesn't he turn them in to the police? I've got to think he really doesn't know, he's just posturing cuz for some reason he's got so much of his life invested in this site. "
You are so stupid, because it's obvious from the post I quoted earlier that a Cedu supporter did indeed threaten to rape my wife.
This is not merely a belief or posturing
as you suggested,it is a documented fact. Why would you come here and try to deny what is obviously true?
As for the culprit behind the threat, I never claimed that I know for a fact that Anne or her son are responsible for this. Since you were too stupid to read it write the first time, I will repeat myself for your benefit. Here is what i actually said:
"Y'know, I'm still trying to figure out if it was Anne's Hall's son, or Anne herself who threatened my wife at
ceduconverts ..err...cedualumni.com."
If you have trouble deciphering the meaning of
the word's TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, then I would suggest you look into taking some remedial
reading or english courses being offered at the grade schools in your area.
Post by: Son Of Serbia on February 12, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: Mel Wasserman on February 12, 2006, 09:20:00 PM
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On 2006-02-12 06:11:00, Son Of Serbia wrote:
"Sorry, forgot to log in. That last post is mine."
Post by: Troll Control on February 27, 2006, 10:54:00 PM
Ottawa is back again (surprise surprise) posting on the HLA threads. What a LOSER this woman is. She is a sick individual that sorely needs an adult program.
HER KID threatened to rape another poster's wife and she's over there telling other people that it was "program supporters" who got threatened with rape. IT WAS YOUR SON, LADY, your sick, demented, rape fantasizing program child who threatens posters.
Post by: Anonymous on February 27, 2006, 11:23:00 PM
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On 2006-02-27 19:54:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Sheeeeeeeee's baaaaaaaack....
Ottawa is back again (surprise surprise) posting on the HLA threads. What a LOSER this woman is. She is a sick individual that sorely needs an adult program.
HER KID threatened to rape another poster's wife and she's over there telling other people that it was "program supporters" who got threatened with rape. IT WAS YOUR SON, LADY, your sick, demented, rape fantasizing program child who threatens posters.
"
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2006, 10:31:00 PM
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On 2006-02-27 19:54:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Sheeeeeeeee's baaaaaaaack....
Ottawa is back again (surprise surprise) posting on the HLA threads. What a LOSER this woman is. She is a sick individual that sorely needs an adult program.
HER KID threatened to rape another poster's wife and she's over there telling other people that it was "program supporters" who got threatened with rape. IT WAS YOUR SON, LADY, your sick, demented, rape fantasizing program child who threatens posters.
"
She's back at it again in the HLA thread. This lady is really sick.
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 03:59:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 08:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
"my mother is a fucking bitch and my father is a dumbass
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: Dec 27, 2005 - 10:04 PM
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in the spirt of christmas i thought i would be the first to say what many are thinking this time of year: parents are a bitch.
i love my parents and am glad i can anonymously talk on hear.
theres a lot of other shit that gets piled on those good feelings.
my mom is such a fuck up. its like she never wanted to grow up. now she is like a small child trapped in a midlle aged wmans body. she has temper tantrums and acts like a bitch. she can never think about how she hurts everyone by all the things she does. she is just so selfish, like a little baby who knows nothing more than what they want. she does not act like an adult who is ideally selfless and thinks of little more than what there children want and need.
my dad is such a prick too. he is really domineering and thinks he knows everything. he thinks because he is a big success in life he knows everything. he is always blaming everyone else for any mistakes he makes. i see him less though since hes' always worked, so my mom is really the big fucking bitch in my life.
sometimes i just want to tell her what a fucking stupid cunt she is. i want to tell her to fuck off and that she is a shitty mom. but that ends up hurting me too. what i really want is for her to just love me and be my mom. i want her to be selfless and take care of me. but if you ask her this she acts all like "i have my own shit to deal with, i can't worry about your needs". If shes so fucked up why doesnt she just see a therapist or something. what a fucking bitch. i hate christmas.
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Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: Dec 28, 2005 - 11:29 AM
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let me guess: anne hall is your mom, right?
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THIS WOMAN SURE KNOW HOW TO MAKE FRIENDS!! :nworthy: :lol:
universally despised all over the 'net. she sure has some reputation! lots of posts on lots of sites and they all end the same... :lol:
Post by: Troll Control on May 06, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 480#166384 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=480#166384)
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =60#192312 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=15052&forum=41&start=60#192312)
some of annie's recent handiwork from the hla forum. this lady is so bent it's not funny. she needs an appointment or ninety on the couch. many, many unresolved anger issues.
Post by: Troll Control on May 11, 2006, 10:45:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on May 31, 2006, 03:13:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 06:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I know her personally, too. "Ottawa" is intelligent, ignorant, gifted with words, and cold-hearted. Also, many of us who know her definitely know that something is amiss. I mean there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with her - it's her personality. This woman is sick and she believes she's God's answer to everything.
I know her through a professional contact - I do not wish to say more.
"
Ooops! A little reality slipped in! :wave:
Post by: Troll Control on May 31, 2006, 08:18:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 31, 2006, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on June 01, 2006, 07:54:00 AM
At least you don't dent that you and your kid are two of the most fucked up people here. You're a control freak who threatens evryone and he fantasizes about rape. What a sweet pair you are. Two of a kind.
Post by: Troll Control on June 01, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
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On 2006-05-31 17:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is this Serbia (Rod)---or Dysfunction Junction (Steve), c'mon boy don't hide your light under a bushel basket as the saying goes!"
If you don't like anonymous posting, why don't you use your login? Maybe you're a little bit embarrassed about being identified due to your own petty, dishonest behavior?
I've seen how far you'll go anonymously, but when you log in, it's a whole different story.
C'mon, Annie, stand up for what you believe in. Take the bag off and let everyone know that your greatest wish is to revive CEDU, one of the most abusive failures of the BM industry. Stand up and act like an adult.
You're a pathetic little coward, Annie, plain and simple.
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2006, 08:16:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on June 02, 2006, 07:47:00 AM
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On 2006-06-01 17:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is what I wanna know... and I'm one of the most vociferously anti-CEDU posters here--how do you know when it's Anne or her son when it's anon, because I always see both of them accused for anon postings, but how do you know? "
The tell-tale language plus the IP address from Minneapolis Mn.
Post by: Troll Control on June 03, 2006, 07:39:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on June 03, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on June 04, 2006, 12:01:00 PM
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On 2006-02-01 20:16:00, Annie Hall wrote:
"Shame on ALL of you for disrespecting my family! I cannot help it that I am perfect, any more than you can help your sick and twisted minds. If only you had allowed CEDU to perfect you as it did my son. He has become the son of my dreams. If you had really done your work in your raps and in your Profeets, you, too could enjoy the perfection that my son, my daughter, and I enjoy. But you people are too puny to understand. I don't really care what you say and I never spend time in these posts, anyway. Shame on you all for not appreciating or recognizing perfection when you see it.
Have a nice day!
:wave: "
Classic. :lol:
Post by: Troll Control on July 20, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
Post by: Troll Control on July 21, 2006, 10:49:00 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I know her personally, too. "Ottawa" is intelligent, ignorant, gifted with words, and cold-hearted. Also, many of us who know her definitely know that something is amiss. I mean there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with her - it's her personality. This woman is sick and she believes she's God's answer to everything.
I know her through a professional contact - I do not wish to say more.
this is the truth about you, anne. like it or not, people who know you personally know this about you. you're a very, very sick woman. i mean, to watch your over-18 kid on a webcam is flat-out SICK! you're a control freak and a loser.
Post by: Troll Control on August 03, 2006, 08:49:15 AM
Post by: former CEDU therapist on August 11, 2006, 02:59:35 PM
Post by: Troll Control on August 11, 2006, 03:17:03 PM
Quote from: ""former CEDU therapist""
I've been gone for quite a while. Is she back in these posts, or are we all just reminiscing about the horrors of Ottawa?
Hey FCT! Nice to see you again.
YES, Anne IS posting, and quite heavily. However, she's doing her victim-bashing and head-hunting in the HLA threads mostly.
Post by: former CEDU therapist on August 13, 2006, 01:30:52 AM
There's something very wrong with that person.
Quote from: ""Guest""
Hey FCT! Nice to see you again.
YES, Anne IS posting, and quite heavily. However, she's doing her victim-bashing and head-hunting in the HLA threads mostly.
Post by: ottawa-5 on August 13, 2006, 09:54:51 PM
And with all due respect, you people weren't in CEDU for long enough. Clearly, you all have serious problems. If you had only opened yourselves to the experience, you would all be enjoying good mental health and the kind of success my son is experiencing. When he is finished with his vocational nursing program, you'll all be envious of him. I cannot help this; it's your problem. Furthermore, he's been sober for six days and I'm very proud of him! I credit my own skills and RMA for this. I understand you are all jealous and I know you really can't help it. But you can't blame me or my perfect children for your own failures. They are your choice.
It is too bad CEDU is out of business. If they were still around, you could get help. I can only recommend HLA. However, when I open my own facility, I strongly suggest you check yourselves in. You all need it and I will be happy to use my superior clinical skills to help you.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
Annie
Post by: Anonymous on August 13, 2006, 10:32:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2006, 02:39:14 AM
So, her son in "medical school" is going for being a vocational nurse? Well, that's a respectable field. But wouldn't saying "medical school" be an awful leap of exaggeration?
Or maybe he's in chiropracty school - or podiatric school. Maybe he's going to be a dentist. Wouldn't surprise me. But hey - he's been sober for - what did she say? Six days? GOOD for HIM!!! Just the kind of "doctor" I would want making major life decisions for me!
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
When it's hard to tell the parody from the real thing, that's how you know you're on Fornits.
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2006, 09:40:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 15, 2006, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Oh Man! Do we have to talk about Ottawa again? Bo-ring!
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I've looked over this board to see if indeed anything illegal is going on. My interest has been in terms of Mrs. Hall when someone associated with all this controversy brought Fornits to my attention. However I believe that my comments may be useful in general for helping many participants just take a deep breath and get real about the nature of a forum of this type.
I understand that part of the internet subculture is bluff and bravado. That is what it is, though perhaps not particularly admirable. What I see here does not seem to me to rise to the level of any tort or crime. Specifically there does not seem to be anything wrong with any poster asking other posters about the identity of someone. This is constitutionally protected discouse. An individual does not have any protected right to come to a site like this and be guaranteed anonymity.
I believe that this would be true even if the intent behind the information is to embarass the person identified.
Now if there were reasonable indications that the person trying to make the identification were individually or as part of a conspiracy intending to do physical harm to the poster or even use the information to harass by going to the poster's home and threatening him or her or something of that nature, well there is probably a tort or even a crime involved. Using the information for blackmail would fall into the same categories. I would recommend a phone tap and other measures for anyone who felt themselves so threatened.
This is quite different that asking for information, getting it, and talking about it, all of which is protected. People do not have a right to anonymity by using a screen name. That's my view of it, any of you is able to seek legal advice if you disagree.
I would really encourage all of you to think about your behavior here. Some of the comments made would not encourage me as a parent to be impressed by the arguments put forward. If you don't like each then just don't talk to each other. If you really want to take the high road just don't even talk about each other.
And use all this energy for something productive.
Post by: Mel Wasserman on August 19, 2006, 05:15:02 PM
Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: ottawa-5 on August 19, 2006, 09:33:14 PM
I have been printing out all of your posts and am comparing writing styles - word usage, spelling customs, habits of grammar and punctuation. I have a pretty good idea who is putting defaming posts here and you may be facing some very uncomfortable legal questions.
I will be sending a package to my attorney with all of your posts. I don't spend much time on these boards, but I spend enough to see when I am being libeled. Be aware - I have many powerful friends. In fact, it was a friend who told me I was being libeled here. I am very busy in my doctoral program, so my time is limited.
Through comparing writing styles, I am building a case against all of you. You should be concerned about the libelous things you say here. Had you all availed yourselves to the superior ministrations of HLA and CEDU, you all would be happily adjusted, in medical school, and would not be making any errors of judgment as you obviously are. If I had more time, I would explain to you how you could improve yourselves so you could have the kind of life my family enjoys.
I will leave you to your miserable lives. You choose your own life - you all chose to disregard the excellent counseling offered by the highly skilled and trained staff at HLA and CEDU. I feel sorry for all of you. You can't possibly guess the deep satisfaction that comes from being perfect. I feel sorry for you, but I can't spend any time worrying about it. I receive many, many emails from posters here who want to have the kind of perfection that my son, daughter, and I enjoy. It is your loss.
The only hope I have for you is that you send your own children to my school, when it is open. My many rich and powerful friends are going to set me up in my own school, where I will teach the kids and their families how to be perfect. I only hope that I can hire some of the HLA and CEDU staff who are so highly trained. That will help me to create the atmosphere I want.
But for now, because I spend almost no time here, I will be sending hundreds of pages of these libelous posts, color coded and labeled to identify each poster. Ready yourself for a lawsuit.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2006, 09:58:10 PM
Post by: Mel Wasserman on August 21, 2006, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
:roll: :roll: :roll: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: ::both:: :wave: :rofl: :rofl: :P :skull: :skull: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff:: ::fuckoff::
Post by: Son of Ottawa on August 21, 2006, 09:35:02 PM
Im in Meducal Skool studying to be a Vokashunul Nurs. Yur all missing out on the Satisfakshun of no-ing how 2 Emptee a Bed Pan like a Profeshunl.
Yoo R all Terruble and I no Ur Sik ina Hed.
Post by: Troll Control on November 24, 2006, 07:45:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2006, 10:50:02 AM
Anne of Minnesota
http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... p=1#000008 (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001306;p=1#000008)
Post by: Troll Control on November 29, 2006, 11:34:44 AM
"Anne from Minnesota" posting on ST is just ol' Ottawa5 from Fornits.
DO NOT BELIEVE A WORD SHE SAYS UNTIL YOU READ HER POSTS HERE!
She is a nasty, conniving bitch that's trying to open her own hell hole like she sent her kid (the wanna-be rapist) to, RMA.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2006, 03:52:13 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
She's over at ST. Defending the industry. Opposing regulation. Freaking out that torture could be outlawed before she opens her own program and gets a shot at torturing kids herself.
Anne of Minnesota
http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... p=1#000008 (http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=001306;p=1#000008)
Post by: Troll Control on November 30, 2006, 09:47:32 AM
Post by: Troll Control on April 20, 2007, 08:14:00 AM
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on April 20, 2007, 08:57:13 AM
Some things (beating, starving, complete sensory deprivation as examples) would unequivocally be abusive to everyone I know.
But what about things that not everyone seems to agree on?
For example, at the school my child went to, a student could get put "on a booth", which meant that for the time of the restriction, the student sat at a booth in the cafeteria daily, not talking to other students, and leaving for bathroom breaks (and I think walking-around with an escort breaks), to get food, and of course to sleep. The rest of the time, the student was assigned to a therapeutic project such as to be working on an essay of some sort.
Personally I wouldn't consider this abusive, especially when staff members know the child and see a need. I know kids who were "on a booth", and didn't like it at the time, naturally. Now, years later, they realize that the experience was helpful in figuring out some things that they were not able to focus on in the rush of day-to-day life. But some people do think of this as abuse and are quite vocal about it elsewhere on the web.
Similarly, what about limiting what particular food items are available (caffeine in particular comes to mind) until certain program milestones are attained.
Or not getting to wear some items (the color black for example) until a certain point in the program was reached. This doesn't seem like a problem to me, in fact, it's rather a reflection of life and growing up and into roles in any society.
It may be that some of the people most vocal against any restriction of adolescent behaviors have their own issues to resolve on some level. Perhaps they retain a strong identification with adolescent acting-out behaviors, and rage follows when they see other adolescents limited in such behaviors.
But what about adults, parents on this forum for example, who I've got to believe want the very best for their kids?
Any comments of what you think constitutes abuse would be appreciated.
Because when government regulation comes--and you can hear the drum-beat--I think all of us who support the very existence of good therapeutic schools, have to have a clear impression of what "abuse" is.
It's pretty obvious that government regulation can at times be pretty broad and even ham-handed. If people whose families have benefited from these schools can clearly articulate an opinion on what is discipline versus what is abuse, there's less chance that people with other agendas can pervert the regulatory process in ways that damage the abilities of therapeutic schools to help kids.
And really, what are the alternatively when you've tried everything possible for a kid at home who is way off track and self-destructive? Having worked with kids who have gotten into enough trouble to enter the juvenile/adult prison system, I have to believe that most parents would want to have other placement options, such as emotional growth/therapeutic boarding schools, if they had a child whose behaviors were headed in the criminal justice system direction.
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on April 20, 2007, 09:35:32 AM
BLOWN: Using those methods would be ok if this woman didn’t know them, evidently.
But what about things that not everyone seems to agree on?
BLOWN: Let’s TRY to agree!
For example, at the school my child went to, a student could get put "on a booth", which meant that for the time of the restriction, the student sat at a booth in the cafeteria daily, not talking to other students, and leaving for bathroom breaks (and I think walking-around with an escort breaks), to get food, and of course to sleep. The rest of the time, the student was assigned to a therapeutic project such as to be working on an essay of some sort.
Personally I wouldn't consider this abusive, especially when staff members know the child and see a need. I know kids who were "on a booth", and didn't like it at the time, naturally. Now, years later, they realize that the experience was helpful in figuring out some things that they were not able to focus on in the rush of day-to-day life. But some people do think of this as abuse and are quite vocal about it elsewhere on the web.
BLOWNAWAY writes:
That’s NOT, at all, an accurate portrayal of what a “booth restriction” was. That doesn’t begin to describe it, even from the pro- program stand point. Writing an “essay of some sort” Doesn’t even begin to describe the nature of the non- therapy that you describe so inaccurately. A series of mandatory self itemization lists, and written evidence of coerced confessions in the regulated group environment. To be more specific a person on a booth restriction would often write Dirt and disclosure lists. The agreements about what was “acceptable” behavior and “out of agreement”, “unacceptable” behavior was according only to the standard mandate of the school’s impossible command. Ergo, being “in agreement” was non- existent, as you would only be punished for following the program too closely. It was a metaphor for life if you schloffed through the program and did the bare minimum. As a footnote to this last comment please recognize that the bare minimum entailed suffering abusive “rap” sessions where verbal tormenting was NECESSARY therapy! Also, really quickly because I’m also really busy working on a book to describe the therapy of CEDU and the ideology of “behavior modification programs” and people like this poster with sour mother’s milk- there was these six or nine hours of physical labor during the benign “booth restrictions”. She didn’t mention the US labor laws or the specific mechanics of what this kind of “project” FORCED under the very shoddy and spongy name of therapy entails in a totalitarian setting like CEDU was. Please keep that in mind as we try to agree with her, ok?
Now, go on....What was she saying?
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on April 20, 2007, 09:48:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2007, 09:53:46 AM
I remember having to write pages and pages of emotionally intense essays only to have my family head say that I was a good writer but she wasn't giving it to the person running my table. (It was written for this other person.)
I don't really remember the booth that much except that Pam Abell would visit me, and she was always nice to me. She never harped on me like my family heads--who were always talking to me about things in the past that I didn't do. (Which is why I could not take their "direction" or "therapy" seriously.) I think Pam knew I was honest, and certain people there thought since they were dishonest, everyone was. Or maybe she was just playing "good cop."
What was bad was not the table, necessarily, but the raps whether you were on restriction or not, because you were subjected to hours of intense emotional abuse... and maybe if you were a truly evil person, who cares? But what if the abuse is designed to humiliate and break down kids who had poor self esteem or other issues like depression? What if the abuse is designed to repress normal thoughts and fears and normalize abusive communication techniques? What if the abuse is to badger you about things that never happened--like being a drug addict, a bulimic, or a whore?
These were TYPICAL, ENDEMIC, SYSTEMIC realities of rap. Hence, they could never be therapeutic. You don't teach kids self respect, self esteem, or pro social behavior by humiliation, manipulation, and deceit. It just doesn't work that way.
I think of my sons, and what if I put them in chairs, sat across from them and screamed and berated them for not making their beds or touching their penises? What if I screamed at them for having normal thoughts and feelings, and banned them from things like books, the sun (yes this happened), a girl they smiled at... What if I put them in 24 hour long workshops and made them spill their guts so I could exploit and ridicule them in front of others? What if I played with their minds in these workshops and ordered them to do things like punch eachother, like in the IWTL Propheet? What if they tried pot and I called them drug addicts and treated them as such? Would this be productive?
I understand the fear parents feel when their kids go down a very dark path. Especially the VERY DARK paths. But so many of these kids needed help with self esteem and self respect, and you don't get that from repeated abuse and bullying. Even for "incorrigible" kids, you can't teach them positive behaviors using abusive techniques. You can teach them to be more manipulative, more insidious, and more conniving.
In fact, the few, true con artist type students just honed their skills at CEDU. Just like in prison, where criminals often learn to be more criminally sophisticated. Only at Cedu, you were learning from staff.
Last, there is no no way you can learn self love if you are brow beaten daily about how "bad" or "sick" you are, and broken down, but not built up with anything of AUTHENTIC value.
That is why Ottawa's defense of the program is reprehensible.
Shanlea
Post by: Antigen on April 20, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
This is one of the more insidious aspects of the program. When you describe any one objective event or policy all by itself it sounds petty. When you try to describe the entire mindfuck comprehensively it takes too long and people lose interest or just can't relate it to anything they know. It's a lot like the way a regular old, garden variety child abuser or wife beater will be careful not to leave bruises or other hard evidence so that the victim won't be taken seriously if they try to tell somebody.
Here's a similar discussion from the Straight vets' forum:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=253531#253531 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=253531#253531)
Thanks DP for putting it so concisely.
Post by: blownawaytheidahoway on April 20, 2007, 10:49:02 AM
The insidiousness of it all is the hard part to describe. It's the totalitarianism of what to wear, to think, to say, to listen to and when, to talk to and not to for why and sometimes "why the fuck not". For me, it's because they tried to tell me how to think and what to believe...they took GOD away from me and took away my individual identity to be restored painfully years later. And I agree that describing any ONE part of it always sounds petty, but anyone reading between the lines and getting a sense of how it all works, and remembering it's underdeveloped TEEN's and YOUNG adults we're talking about, would remember and clearly be able to see how this would fuck you up...
We must all take the time to write about that insidiousness so it can be understood better.
How did CEDU and Cascade and the rest change your relationship to your world (and parental relationships, especially) at THAT time, and the time afterwards.
ps Shan, hey girl, got your email. too bad you didn't get to stick around for the last several months at CEDU, those "workshops" were SO so strange. Really freaky stuff that's difficult to describe. By itself it sounds almost innocuous, but add in the counselors and the peer group relationships and the weirdness becomes transparently evident.
Post by: Antigen on April 20, 2007, 11:17:47 AM
But really it's not enough. We're the grown ups now. How frightening is that?! We gotta do something to break this shit down before we'vve got a full on holocaust never to be lived down.
Post by: sick of child torture girl on April 20, 2007, 06:04:50 PM
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
On the subject of abusive programs: most likely every caring parent would agree with me that abusive programs need to be shut down and immediately.
Some things (beating, starving, complete sensory deprivation as examples) would unequivocally be abusive to everyone I know.
But what about things that not everyone seems to agree on?
For example, at the school my child went to, a student could get put "on a booth", which meant that for the time of the restriction, the student sat at a booth in the cafeteria daily, not talking to other students, and leaving for bathroom breaks (and I think walking-around with an escort breaks), to get food, and of course to sleep. The rest of the time, the student was assigned to a therapeutic project such as to be working on an essay of some sort.
Personally I wouldn't consider this abusive, especially when staff members know the child and see a need. I know kids who were "on a booth", and didn't like it at the time, naturally. Now, years later, they realize that the experience was helpful in figuring out some things that they were not able to focus on in the rush of day-to-day life. But some people do think of this as abuse and are quite vocal about it elsewhere on the web.
Similarly, what about limiting what particular food items are available (caffeine in particular comes to mind) until certain program milestones are attained.
Or not getting to wear some items (the color black for example) until a certain point in the program was reached. This doesn't seem like a problem to me, in fact, it's rather a reflection of life and growing up and into roles in any society.
It may be that some of the people most vocal against any restriction of adolescent behaviors have their own issues to resolve on some level. Perhaps they retain a strong identification with adolescent acting-out behaviors, and rage follows when they see other adolescents limited in such behaviors.
But what about adults, parents on this forum for example, who I've got to believe want the very best for their kids?
Any comments of what you think constitutes abuse would be appreciated.
Because when government regulation comes--and you can hear the drum-beat--I think all of us who support the very existence of good therapeutic schools, have to have a clear impression of what "abuse" is.
It's pretty obvious that government regulation can at times be pretty broad and even ham-handed. If people whose families have benefited from these schools can clearly articulate an opinion on what is discipline versus what is abuse, there's less chance that people with other agendas can pervert the regulatory process in ways that damage the abilities of therapeutic schools to help kids.
And really, what are the alternatively when you've tried everything possible for a kid at home who is way off track and self-destructive? Having worked with kids who have gotten into enough trouble to enter the juvenile/adult prison system, I have to believe that most parents would want to have other placement options, such as emotional growth/therapeutic boarding schools, if they had a child whose behaviors were headed in the criminal justice system direction.
I find this post bizzare
Quote from: ""blownawaytheidahoway""
For example, at the school my child went to, a student could get put "on a booth", which meant that for the time of the restriction, the student sat at a booth in the cafeteria daily, not talking to other students, and leaving for bathroom breaks (and I think walking-around with an escort breaks), to get food, and of course to sleep. The rest of the time, the student was assigned to a therapeutic project such as to be working on an essay of some sort.For example, at the school my child went to, a student could get put "on a booth", which meant that for the time of the restriction, the student sat at a booth in the cafeteria daily, not talking to other students, and leaving for bathroom breaks (and I think walking-around with an escort breaks), to get food, and of course to sleep. The rest of the time, the student was assigned to a therapeutic project such as to be working on an essay of some sort..
blown away
are you saying your son went to a tbs? (oh my god)
umm yeah thats abusive. Thats isolation, humilation unlawful confinement and as I persume the kid would not be alowed to simply walk off-assault.
In fact what you are describing is a clinical definition of torture
To place the current concerns in context: Note that it is now illegal to use any of the following practices with regard to the treatment of U.S. detainees in Guantanamo Bay and other facilities:
o Use of phobias & fears to induce stress
o Physical training (forced calisthenics)
o Exposure to cold weather
o Sleep Deprivation
o Nutritional Deprivation
o Slapping face or stomach
o Stress positions (e.g. prolonged standing)
o Isolation greater than 30 days
o Forced Labor
o Denial of Use of Bathroom
0 restriction of movement
There is Isolation longer than 30 days- (i see no time limit for what you mention) & that is considered torture.
Having to write essays while doing nothing but sitting around in isolation(only other activity being sleep)- and i assume the essays would be something along the lines of "why I'm in the booth" would qualify as an attempt to brainwash an individual and is outlawed by the Geneva conventions, as torture
The thereputic activitiy I suspose would be labor of some sort and forced labor is also considered torture by the AMA- especially under this context
Only being allowed to go to the bathroom with an escort can only be construed as a deliberate act of torment as such an act can only be a further attampt to "dominate" and make a youth feel claustrophbic, helpless. Why else would you do it?(induce phobia) Also consdidered torture by the AMA in this context. Prisoners & patients at PH's are not given "escorts" as punishment. And depending on the context that would be very illegal,
It would also be deemed torture by the AMA if the youth is not given privacy by the "escort" in the bathroom
Only being allowed to sit ALL DAYwould entail restricton of movement-again torture
The situation descibed above is not only abuse, it is clearly torture intendedto be applied to a youth until they "break". What you are describing is a level of coersion that is not only illegal in pyschiatric hospitals but in prisoner of war camps
Im gonna assume there is some mistake and you didnt mean that Blown?
This is the conclusion to the paper about TORTURE applied to Iraquis, and what you are describing is essentially the same. If its illegal to to do to Iraquis in the name of forcing them to confess them than it should be illegal to do teens in the name of helping them.
"The authors concluded that aggressive interrogation techniques or detention procedures involving deprivation of basic needs, exposure to adverse environmental conditions, forced stress positions, ISLOLATION,RESTRICTION OF MOVEMENT forced nudity, THREATS, HUMILIATING TREATMENT and other PSYCHOLOGICAL MANIPULATIONS do not appear to be substantially different from physical torture in terms of the extent of mental suffering they cause, the underlying mechanisms of traumatic stress and their long-term traumatic effects. These findings do not support the distinction between torture versus "other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment." Although international conventions prohibit both types of acts, "such a distinction nevertheless reinforces the misconception that cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment causes lesser harm and might therefore be permissible under exceptional circumstances. These findings point to a need for a broader definition of torture based on scientific formulations of traumatic stress and empirical evidence rather than on vague distinctions or labels that are open to endless and inconclusive debate and, most important, potential abuse."
Post by: Antigen on April 20, 2007, 06:20:48 PM
Makes more sense that way, eh?
Post by: try another castle on April 21, 2007, 04:55:42 AM
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No, no! Idaho doesn't have any sons
Yes he does. He and I had a love-child. We call him Waffles.
Post by: Antigen on April 21, 2007, 03:23:57 PM
Post by: Froderik on August 10, 2007, 02:03:24 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I know her personally, too. "Ottawa" is intelligent, ignorant, gifted with words, and cold-hearted. Also, many of us who know her definitely know that something is amiss. I mean there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with her - it's her personality. This woman is sick and she believes she's God's answer to everything.
I know her through a professional contact - I do not wish to say more.
Interesting... :rofl:
Post by: Froderik on August 10, 2007, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""
I've had a few run-ins with this psychopath. She's made all sorts of threats - to sue me, to find out my address and post it, to find out where I work and try to get me fired, etc.
This is all, originally, because I rejected her reasoning and had what should have been an intellectual argument with her. Of course, as anyone who has dealt with her knows, she became abusive and condescending, getting progressively more viscious and threatening.
She has been known to post posing as her son, posing as her daughter and just simply anonymously. She no longer uses her handle at all on this forum because she has flamed and derided so many people that she is immediately attacked if she does post.
Just recently, on another thread, she has appealed to users of this forum to give out whatever personal information they may have about me in order to criminally harrass me by trying to use whatever information she could get to report it to my employer and get me fired from my position.
Fortunately, she is so universally despised on this forum (and apparently in her life, according to some of her profesional contacts) that she had no takers on her inquiry.
My advice is to steer clear of this rude and abusive drunken sot.
More interesting still... :rofl:
Sure hope this pernicious little ottawan bitch rears her ugly head again soon.. ::bwahaha:: ::bwahaha2:: ::both::