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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 04:22:00 PM

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
Serious peace offering here. I've been giving some thought to the way this old brawl is going down. I sort of gather that you probably don't know who has been making those harassing calls and that, unless you're dumber than a bag of hammers by at least half, you probably don't particularly apreciate all the "support" you're getting from your ex wife here.

Me? Well, I wasn't really paying much mind to this forum or the topic of your "school" till your lawyer brought it to my attention. In my view, what you have already done to OverLordd is worse, by far, than anything anyone has, or could do to you by way of this forum. Not that I disregard anything others say about how you run the place from the inside. Frankly, it all sounds perfectly consistent w/ the way your defenders behave around here. And, coincidentally or not, very like the Seed in their day. But I will concede that 2nd hand information is 2nd hand information, whereas those certified letters and court orders are pretty damned irrefutable.

I'm piqued. And I'd really like for people who read here to get it straight from the horse's mouth w/ no confusion over who is the mind behind any particular set of posts.

So, I've taken the liberty of creating for you your very own avatar. If you're up for it, please register a username, adopt the avatar and speak for yourself.

I want to know what you think. What your ex and her sadistic buddies have been doing to RB is just embarrassing, isn't it? Or do you actually approve? Can you possibly think that the character and callibur of your defenders reflects well on you or your organization?

You could probably take inspiration from the likes of John Underwood and Ft. Lauderdale, who both post occasionally or more over on the Seed forum.

One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them



--Stanislaw Lec



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Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 21, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
He doesnt post here as far as I know, but probably someone will forward it to him. However, you referenced the Seed a few times in this post. He doesn't know anything about the Seed organization in Florida. He grew up in Kentucky and Indiana. He never attended a therapeutic boarding school or a wilderness therapy camp or a regular boarding school. It is my current husband who had to go through the Seed when he was 16 and 17, a very long time ago in the early 70s. I just wanted to clarify that in case you were thinking that Mr. Gray was the one that attended the Seed.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
She referenced it once Cybie, and not in reference to Mr. Gray, but rather in reference to her own personal experiences.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 21, 2006, 07:55:00 PM
She referenced it twice Robert, in her post, and I know that she attended the Seed because my husband told me she did, but I just wanted to make sure she knew that Mr. Gray doesnt know anything about the Seed organization.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:56:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:55:00, SHH wrote:

I know that she attended the Seed because my husband told me she did,


You're husband was wrong.  She attended Straight.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
Trust that she knows Cybie.

Now if you could please leave this thread for Bill Gray, we dont want to distract from its purpose with your usual lies, double standards and other nonsense.

Feel free to answer any of those issues though on the other threads, or pop off and answer those questions youve been avoiding for weaks due to your increasingly overwhelming cowardice.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
Mr. Gray will likely never see this post and I doubt it will be forwarded to him.  This site is likely not even on his list of priorities, if he even ever thinks of it at all.  If you want to communicate to him, I suggest you do so through the mail.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 21, 2006, 09:21:00 PM
Well my mistake then Robert. He told me she and her brothers attended the Seed in South Florida.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:44:00, SHH wrote:

"He doesnt post here as far as I know, but probably someone will forward it to him. However, you referenced the Seed a few times in this post. He doesn't know anything about the Seed organization in Florida. He grew up in Kentucky and Indiana. He never attended a therapeutic boarding school or a wilderness therapy camp or a regular boarding school. It is my current husband who had to go through the Seed when he was 16 and 17, a very long time ago in the early 70s. I just wanted to clarify that in case you were thinking that Mr. Gray was the one that attended the Seed."


No, I'm not the least bit confused. No connection, yeah, right. They just both made it up out of whole cloth independently. Suuuuuure. So then, who's the Billy Grey mentioned in the Seed forum?

That may not be The Connection® but I'm convinced there is one. Maybe it just goes back to common roots in Synanon. I would guess Bill would know, wouldn't you?

Besides, seein' how yenz or divorced and not on good terms (never even talk to each other), where do you come into this conversation?

I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole

--Malcolm X



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Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 10:23:00 PM
This Mr. Grey


Bill Gray Jr
Operations Director

B.S. Justice Administration

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=5 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=5)

Oh! Is this your son? Ewwww! Sorry, sorry. It's not his looks or the thought of you and some unimaginable Mr. Grey Sr. fornicating, it's the scenareo.

Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 17:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Mr. Gray will likely never see this post and I doubt it will be forwarded to him.  This site is likely not even on his list of priorities, if he even ever thinks of it at all.  If you want to communicate to him, I suggest you do so through the mail."


You mean this is one you won't pass along? That's ok. I'm pretty sure Joe will, if he's competent.

All religion is dumb. It's one big story they're feeding you so you'll  behave on Earth. If there is a god, then he's a prick.
--Howard Stern, American radio personality

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
Ginger there really is no connection. My current husband and ex husband never met each other until I was dating my current husband. They dont know each other except through me. My ex does not know anything about the Seed. Maybe he has heard about it or something but he is a business manager, not a counselor and wouldnt have any affiliation with the Seed or know anything about their techniques or know anybody from the Seed. I dont know about the owner but I know my ex doesnt know anything about the Seed. If someone mentioned his name on the Seed discussion board maybe they know something about Hidden Lake and mentioned his name due to that, but I can assure you, it is merely a coincidence that he works at Hidden Lake and that my current husband attended the Seed. I am sorry you dont believe me but thats the truth. There is no connection.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 21, 2006, 10:27:00 PM
Ginger that is not my son. My son is 10 yrs old. That is my ex husband. Whats with the looks comment though? Are you so beautiful that you can condemn others for their looks? And what does what someone look like have to do with the price of tea in china anyway? Really, that was pretty immature in my opinion and totally off topic. But whatever, its your board youll do as you please, as usual.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 19:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

I dont know about the owner but I know my ex doesnt know anything about the Seed.

Well, that's compelling as hell. Suzanne, much of what you 'know' simply isn't true. What else didn't he tell you?

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If someone mentioned his name on the Seed discussion board maybe they know something about Hidden Lake and mentioned his name due to that, but I can assure you, it is merely a coincidence that he works at Hidden Lake and that my current husband attended the Seed.

Nope, just some lost soul looking for old friends from their Seed daze. Try again.

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I am sorry you dont believe me but thats the truth. There is no connection."


Sorry, really? Well, I guess you should have thought of that before you tried all that lame, thin deception. Why should I believe anything that you say? Even though you say you know Ottowa personally, I don't even buy that. You probably pulled it outa your ass just like about half of what you come up with.

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 21, 2006, 11:35:00 PM
Incidentally...
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On 2006-01-21 20:28:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

By the year 2000, we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God.
--Gloria Steinam, women's rights activist


"


Because one of the effects of the program is to dull one's sense of irony, I thought I might point out that this is irony that tends to run against not propaganda for the likes of Gloria Steinam. Of course, even if you have your best irony bat senses on high alert, you'd still probably miss it. So I'll spell it out in big purple crayon for you:

The Human Potential Movement Is A religion! It's close kin to the TOUGHLOVE hategroupe, like the KKK is to the SBC.

I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter



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Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 12:01:00 AM
What happened to Overlordd?  Where has he been?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 12:13:00 AM
ahhh, ya missin' him over at ST, carlbrook troll?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 08:16:00 AM
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On 2006-01-21 19:23:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

"This Mr. Grey





Bill Gray Jr

Operations Director



B.S. Justice Administration



http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=5 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=5)



Oh! Is this your son? Ewwww! Sorry, sorry. It's not his looks or the thought of you and some unimaginable Mr. Grey Sr. fornicating, it's the scenareo.

Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous


"


Ginger, darling, you give Mr. Gray too much credit.  You "hit the nail on the head" when you opined he may be dumb as a bag of hammers.

This man is about as bright as a ten-watt bulb.  He's just a good, loyal footsoldier for the little general, Len.  Without that job, he'd be nothing, a nobody.  His job is to toe the line, nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 22, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
Ginger, my ex has NEVER attended the Seed program. He attended high school in Indiana and then graduated from a catholic high school in Louisville, KY. He has NEVER lived in Florida. He has Never attended a drug rehab, a boarding school, a wilderness camp, or a therapeutic facility of any kind. He went to 1 public high school and 1 catholic high school. Is it possible that there are 2 Billy Gray's in the world??? I think that would be more likely of a scenario. NO, he does NOT know anything about the Seed program or philosophy. I think you have his job description confused with the owner or headmaster. His job is director of operations. He deals with things that have to do with physical plant, maintenance, nursing staff, vehicle maintenance, etc.

Also, you stated that I know Ottawa? Or did you mean I dont know Ottawa? I actually don't know anything about the woman except what I have read here. I dont know her, have never met her, nor do I know anybody who knows her. I have seen what she has typed here but other than that I dont know anything else about her at all.

You seem to be a bit paranoid Ginger. You give me way too much credit. I dont have connections to anybody like Ottawa, and I mentioned to you in a PM that my current husband attended the Seed and thought you ran a good site here and that was why I was surprised at your attitude towards me. Now you twisted that around that somehow my EX Husband is affiliated with the Seed, attended the Seed or knows something about their program, which he does not. That is my CURRENT husband that attended the Seed, my EX has nothing to do with the Seed at all. I dont know why you cant grasp this concept.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 09:43:00 AM
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On 2006-01-21 19:23:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

"This Mr. Grey





Bill Gray Jr

Operations Director



B.S. Justice Administration



http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=5 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=5)



Oh! Is this your son? Ewwww! Sorry, sorry. It's not his looks or the thought of you and some unimaginable Mr. Grey Sr. fornicating, it's the scenareo.

Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous


"

A phrenologist could make a whole career out of this picture.  Large, sloping forehead, widely spaced eyes, subdued infranasal depression.  
Just from that we'd know he's a criminally-minded, FAS baby of low intelligence.

Maybe this is how HLA diagnoses their patients too?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 13:22:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

So, I've taken the liberty of creating for you your very own avatar. If you're up for it, please register a username, adopt the avatar and speak for yourself.

I want to know what you think. What your ex and her sadistic buddies have been doing to RB is just embarrassing, isn't it? Or do you actually approve? Can you possibly think that the character and callibur of your defenders reflects well on you or your organization?

You could probably take inspiration from the likes of John Underwood and Ft. Lauderdale, who both post occasionally or more over on the Seed forum.

Even a little boy sees rottenness rewarded and good people smacked down. Unctuous rationalizations of this by otherwise sensible adults disgust little children.
John Taylor Gatto

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:



Ginger, darling, you give Mr. Gray too much credit.  You "hit the nail on the head" when you opined he may be dumb as a bag of hammers.



This man is about as bright as a ten-watt bulb.  He's just a good, loyal footsoldier for the little general, Len.  Without that job, he'd be nothing, a nobody.  His job is to toe the line, nothing more, nothing less."


Right, "Bill Gray Jr.
Operations Director

B.S. Justice Administration ..."


So he's actually trained, at least to the BS level, at his real job. But he's also SHH's connect into HLA, right? So I just wondered how he felt, personally, about the way HLA supporters are going about showing all of their love and support. If it were me? I'd be pretty annoyed by it, to say the least. In fact, I'd be asking them to please stop helping so much.

And we've clearly established that he's NOT the Seed connection. So then, what is? Is there one? Maybe Len knows something aboutit. Hmmm... what are this guy's credentials?

Here's a Google search on Why I Live at the PO (http://art-bin.com/art/or_weltypostoff.html)
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 05:21:00 PM
Ginger, why the screen name change babe?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 23, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
Oh, check out the thread in Let It Bleed.

Anyway, I have another question for the HLA staff who read and post here. If this is a school or therapy and not a private prison, how come your staff is so heavy on criminal justice training?

Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By  any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.
Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young,  DOJ/DEA

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.

That claim is just more typical scare tactics from you.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 23, 2006, 04:53:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.



That claim is just more typical scare tactics from you."


Well the website is rife with fabrications anyway.  We should consider it a valid source for addressing concerns?  I don't think so.  It's a tool used to market the program.

Why doesn't it point out that some of your "master's level" counselors got degrees online without ever having done any clinical work?  Why doesn't it say the the average counselor lasts only a few months there?  Why doesn't it say that you sue any former employee who speaks up about what goes on there?  Why doesn't it say that you lock the kids up at night in violation of basic safety standards and fire codes?  Why doesn't it say the HLA is not licensed to perform counseling services?  WHY?

There's quite a bit you won't hear about HLA from its website, honey.  Go push that tired old chestnut on somebody gullible enough to believe you.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 05:00:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 13:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:


"A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.





That claim is just more typical scare tactics from you."




Well the website is rife with fabrications anyway.  We should consider it a valid source for addressing concerns?  I don't think so.  It's a tool used to market the program.



Why doesn't it point out that some of your "master's level" counselors got degrees online without ever having done any clinical work?  Why doesn't it say the the average counselor lasts only a few months there?  Why doesn't it say that you sue any former employee who speaks up about what goes on there?  Why doesn't it say that you lock the kids up at night in violation of basic safety standards and fire codes?  Why doesn't it say the HLA is not licensed to perform counseling services?  WHY?



There's quite a bit you won't hear about HLA from its website, honey.  Go push that tired old chestnut on somebody gullible enough to believe you."


Damn HLA.  They use a web-site to market their program.  That should be illegal.  Give me a break.  

Everything you said in you post is a lie except for the fact that HLA is not licensed by the state.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 23, 2006, 05:04:00 PM
Whatever, baghead.  Those are only the WELL-KNOWN little secrets you try to keep.  Your closets are overbrimming with much nastier skeletons.

How would you know anything about HLA anyway?  You never mentioned your qualifications.  It must be because you have none.  That's pretty clear.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 06:25:00 PM
Forgot to mention the head master that was apparently once a prison guard.

Certianlly a nessecary qualification to run a theraputic school.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 06:31:00 PM
Robert are you referring to Mr. Gray? Or the headmaster? I dont know what the current headmaster's background is, but I know Mr. Gray was never a "prison guard".
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
Robert are you referring to Mr. Gray? Or the headmaster? I dont know what the current headmaster's background is, but I know Mr. Gray was never a "prison guard".
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 23, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
SHH, c'mon.  Nobody's badmouthing Bill.  He was nice to me - no complaints here.  But, geez, why the attack-dog posture?

Let the issues rise or fall on their own merit.  Divest yourself of your personal feelings and take an objective look.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 15:31:00, SHH wrote:

"Robert are you referring to Mr. Gray? Or the headmaster? I dont know what the current headmaster's background is, but I know Mr. Gray was never a "prison guard". "


No Cybie I was not talking about your ex. Thanks though for further revealing your lack of knowledge of anything to do with HLA. Didn't you claim at one point to be familiar with every staff members educational backround and resume?

Guess not huh Cybie?

 :grin:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Oh no I didnt mean to come across that way. I was just clarifying that if Robert was referring to Bill as the headmaster, that was an error. He might be referring to the actual headmaster for all I know, but since it was mentioned that Bill had a degree in justice administration, I thought it possible that Robert assumed he worked as a prison guard, which is incorrect. Was just trying to clarify.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Robert I did know the headmaster personally when I lived there. But the headmaster is a different person now, and no, I dont know him or his background.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
But you claimed to be familar with all the employees backrounds.

Why the lie?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
I never said that Robert. I said I was familiar with the employees backgrounds that I knew personally or worked with. I didnt say I knew every employee's background that works there now.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
Oh but you did.

Give me some time I'll go ahead and embarress you....again.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
Here we are.

So now please explain the lie.

Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#94120 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=20#94120)
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 16:48:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Here we are.



So now please explain the lie.



Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#94120 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=20#94120)"

tell me how long Dr. Sisk was there huh? since you know so much....ok let me tell you how long..it was under 2 yrs....the school has been in operation for almost 11 yrs. HARDLY for YEARS as you put it. Things that happened in the very beginning of the school that have since been corrected have no bearing on the workings or legitimacy of the school today. And Deborah, I did not have access to their personal files, but I did hear every time a new employee was hired, and was verbally told what school they came from,knew where the teachers went to school, and employees themselves also told me. One of the teachers was a former classmate of mine in high school and coincidently came there to work. And I personally knew the upper counseling staff or most of them anyway and knew where they graduated from and they were all legitimate degrees. So dont paint this picture of the whole staff being undereducated or whatever..because it is simply NOT TRUE and very misleading. Junction you make it sound as if you had all kinds of inside information when in fact you were an intake person for not all that long. So how does that make you an expert either? It doesnt. I never claimed to be an expert of the goings on...only what I experienced personally. But you make it sound as if you knew everything and everybody and you didnt. If you arent Dr. B or Mr Gray then you dont know everything, so quit pretending you do. I dont pretend to know everything, only the facts that I personally know. Quite different from the picture you are trying to portray of yourself. I am no expert, but neither are you.

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 08:07:00 PM
Robert that post of mine does not state that I am familiar with every employees background. It only states what I just stated earlier. That I knew about the employees backgrounds THEN. There is no lie in that post.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 23, 2006, 09:59:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.


And a more careful look will show you an unusual # of people w/ some sort of criminal justice training for a high quality private boarding school. Hell, I'd say it's probably a very high ratio even for a public school.

So then I ask why, that's all, I just want to know anyone's opinions on why in the world that is so. That's all. Well, that's not all, I do have other questions. But that was all the point of pointing out Bill Gray's education. And shit, it's not like I outed him, I copied and pasted right from their own marketing page.

I wonder if anyone's saved copies. Might be interesting to track changes as we point things out.

The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 10:16:00 PM
I just did a quick glance at every employee listed on the HLA staff web page. Only 2 posess a criminal justice degree. The others are a mix of counseling, social work, and other sciences such as the teacher's backgrounds.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 23, 2006, 10:19:00 PM
In addition, I just looked at Ridge Creek's website. None of the staff listed on there have a criminal justice background.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 10:23:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 17:07:00, SHH wrote:

"Robert that post of mine does not state that I am familiar with every employees background. It only states what I just stated earlier. That I knew about the employees backgrounds THEN. There is no lie in that post."


Wrong retard, the prison guard in question WAS there when you were there.

Face it youve been caught in yet another lie.

Gosh how about that Bullfrog. I mean you claimed at one point to be a Christian yet here you sit lie after lie after lie, you believe you never sin, and you dont believe the bible is from God.

Quite a Christian Bullfrog.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 10:24:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 19:19:00, SHH wrote:

"In addition, I just looked at Ridge Creek's website. None of the staff listed on there have a criminal justice background."


Why no college?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 18:59:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

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On 2006-01-23 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:


"A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.




And a more careful look will show you an unusual # of people w/ some sort of criminal justice training for a high quality private boarding school. Hell, I'd say it's probably a very high ratio even for a public school.



So then I ask why, that's all, I just want to know anyone's opinions on why in the world that is so. That's all. Well, that's not all, I do have other questions. But that was all the point of pointing out Bill Gray's education. And shit, it's not like I outed him, I copied and pasted right from their own marketing page.



I wonder if anyone's saved copies. Might be interesting to track changes as we point things out.

The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer


"


Let's see the numbers then.  Because all I see is counseling and education degrees for the vast majority.

And, the point is that you were once again throwing out misinformation to evoke an emotional reaction to parents who are seeking help for their children.  Very sad.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 10:28:00 PM
So very very different from lying and manipulating situations to play on parents fears. Which is exactly what you all do.

At least Ginger isnt charging 7000.00 a month for it, and isnt a sadist.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 10:51:00 PM
FWIW, Looks like 3 key people at HLA and RC have justice/military backgrounds.

Brian Alano
Assistant Dean of Students
Student Criminal Justice - Eastern Michigan University, Carson Newman College, North Georgia College & State University.

Bill Gray Jr.
Operations Director
B.S. Justice Administration - University of Louisville. Bill was the ?first? employee hired at HLA in 1994.

Shannon Travers
Dean of Students
B.A. Sociology/Psychology, Correctional Services Diploma - Acadia University, Nova Scotia, Canada

RIDGE CREEK
Mark Keith
Director of Operations
United States Special Operations Forces

John Tompkins
Wilderness Team Leader
Most of this training occurred within the context of distinguished career in the United States Army

Ken See
Wilderness Team Leader
After a twenty-year career as a Ranger in United States Special Operations Units, Ken retired as a master sergeant while serving as a senior mountaineering instructor in the Ranger training program.

And while we're on the subject, what are the headmasters credentials? No mention of anything relevant to working with adolescence. Found nothing but business related links on google.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 23, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:


Let's see the numbers then.  Because all I see is counseling and education degrees for the vast majority.

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... ?userID=14 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=14)

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... userID=160 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=160)

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=5 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=5)

those come up on a search of "justice" on your website. I'd say that's quite a lot for the size of the organization, isn't it? I think only one teacher I ever had had training in criminal justice, and that came out of his military service.

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And, the point is that you were once again throwing out misinformation to evoke an emotional reaction to parents who are seeking help for their children.  Very sad."


No, really, I'm just trying to get a clearer sense of the people and philosophy behind HLA. Why would you think otherwise?

... and the group leader was a clown.
GregFL

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 23, 2006, 11:03:00 PM
Then there's this guy, who evidently has nothing to brag about, even a B.S. in criminal justice.

http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=1 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=1)

And what's with all the night watch and peer staff? What are their qualifications? How much contact and how much authority do they have over the kids?

who needs regular piss tests more than a former blowski who has his finger on the button?
--Chuck Beyer

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 23, 2006, 11:10:00 PM
Still waiting for you to address the lie Cybie.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 11:57:00 PM
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On 2006-01-23 20:03:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:

"Then there's this guy, who evidently has nothing to brag about, even a B.S. in criminal justice.



http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadPr ... x?userID=1 (http://www.hiddenlakeacademy.com/loadProfile.aspx?userID=1)



And what's with all the night watch and peer staff? What are their qualifications? How much contact and how much authority do they have over the kids?

who needs regular piss tests more than a former blowski who has his finger on the button?
--Chuck Beyer


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Speaking of housekeeping/nightwatch. Ya'll should consider paying them a living wage so they can get some dental work.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 24, 2006, 07:01:00 AM
Dr. Buccellato has a Doctorate in Psychology. Not sure about other degrees but I do know that degree.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Antigen on January 24, 2006, 08:23:00 AM
Really? From which institution? Is it like Art Barkers honorary degree from AIF? Or Virgil Newton's Phd from Union College?

The most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive.


--Thomas Sowell

Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 24, 2006, 08:34:00 AM
I know that he has been practicing since 1975, and he worked with public school systems in Georgia and Alabama for a time also. I believe he got his degree at the univ of georgia or georgia state, and it is a legitimate degree.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 25, 2006, 01:57:00 AM
Still waiting Cybie.

Are you really so afraid of me and the truth even now that you wont respond when its staring right at you?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 25, 2006, 10:38:00 PM
Well either I am confused or you are Robert. This is your quoted sentance that I answered regarding the "prison guard" topic:

 "Forgot to mention the head master that was apparently once a prison guard"

Now, if you are talking about the current headmaster, he wasn't an employee when I left. So I dont know him or his background specifically. If you are talking about the headmaster that was there for the majority of my time there (while I lived on campus), that would be Greg Lindsey, and I did know him personally, but he was not a prison guard, so, who is it that you are referring to when you say the headmaster was once a prison guard? Which headmaster are you referring to?

Also, Robert, I have NEVER been afraid of you or your questions, sorry to ruin that little pipe dream of yours  :roll:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 25, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Its not a pipe dream Bullfrog its reality. Youve proven that time and again. If youd like to disprove there are literally dozens of questions that youve been to afraid to answer. So get to them.

Now as to this specific comment, well youve again shown you know not of what you speak. You claimed to be familiar with all the employees backroundd, apparently you lied when you made this statement.

Not suprising you lie all the time. Yet claim not to, along with claiming not to sin.

Can you explain this?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 26, 2006, 07:01:00 AM
Until I know which headmaster you are referring to in your comment, I will have no idea whether it is I who am incorrect(not LYING), or you who are incorrect(Lying? wrong?). Please answer my question. Which headmaster was a prison guard? It wasn't Greg, who was the headmaster for most of the time I was associated with the school. Was it Rudy? Rudy was not one I cared for much so I didnt consider him a friend and didnt know much about his past other than working at CEDU. If it was Charles I already told you he wasnt at the school when I left. So, Robert, please clarify your statement.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 26, 2006, 07:03:00 AM
Oh and one more thing....my comment about not sinning? Its called Sarcasm. Of course everybody sins in one way or another. I am by no means saintly, however, you didnt get the joke I guess.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 26, 2006, 11:38:00 AM
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Which headmaster was a prison guard?



I'd say the headmaster is more like the "warden."

Which one of the distinguished academicians that served as headmaster was actually a prison guard?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 12:39:00 PM
:wstupid:  :wave:  :em:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 27, 2006, 10:38:00 AM
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On 2006-01-26 04:01:00, SHH wrote:

"Until I know which headmaster you are referring to in your comment, I will have no idea whether it is I who am incorrect(not LYING), or you who are incorrect(Lying? wrong?). Please answer my question. Which headmaster was a prison guard? It wasn't Greg, who was the headmaster for most of the time I was associated with the school. Was it Rudy? Rudy was not one I cared for much so I didnt consider him a friend and didnt know much about his past other than working at CEDU. If it was Charles I already told you he wasnt at the school when I left. So, Robert, please clarify your statement."

Bullfrog the person I am refering to was there the same time as you. You claim to have been familiar with every employees backround. Obviously this is not the case and you are in fact full of it.

Nothing new there.

Furthermore your comment about not sinning was not sarcastic, anymore than your claim to never have lied.

You claim to be a Christian but your comments and and actions suggest otherwise. So whats the real story?
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 27, 2006, 11:53:00 AM
If you are so familiar with this particular person's background then tell me which headmaster was once a prison guard. I can tell you it wasnt Greg Lindsey. That was the headmaster I was most familiar with as he was the one that was there the longest while I was there at the school. If it was Rudy thats not a shock, I didnt know his background that well and didnt know him that well. So which headmaster was the prison guard Robert? You have me curious now.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 27, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
I'm sure I do, which only further proves my point.

You claimed to be familiar with all the employees backrounds.

Obviously that was a lie.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: SHH on January 27, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
I wasnt lying about knowing employees backgrounds, but since you wont give me the person's name how do I know YOU arent lying Robert? You could be making this whole thing up for all I know.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
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On 2006-01-27 09:33:00, SHH wrote:

"I wasnt lying about knowing employees backgrounds, but since you wont give me the person's name how do I know YOU arent lying Robert? You could be making this whole thing up for all I know."
Thanks, sexy!
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: RobertBruce on January 27, 2006, 02:14:00 PM
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On 2006-01-27 09:33:00, SHH wrote:

"I wasnt lying about knowing employees backgrounds, but since you wont give me the person's name how do I know YOU arent lying Robert? You could be making this whole thing up for all I know."


Given the fact that you dont know a whole lot, I wouldnt put to much stock into it. No Bullfrog Im not lying if you like you why dont you offer up those backrounds youre so familiar with. Since it wasnt a lie afterall. Im interested though, will you know acknowledge that you do in fact lie given the fact that several of them have been uncovered?

I doubt it.
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 27, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 05:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-21 19:23:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:


"This Mr. Grey





:nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :smokin:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Short Bus on January 27, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
Quick!! Somebody get Bill Gray Jr. some Crest White Strips, FAST!! :lol:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Short Bus on January 27, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
Bizzare....You figure, with all the money ol' junior makes, he could AT LEAST afford some *toothpaste*... :lol:
Title: Dear Mr. Grey
Post by: Troll Control on January 28, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
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On 2006-01-27 15:24:00, Short Bus wrote:

"Bizzare....You figure, with all the money ol' junior makes, he could AT LEAST afford some *toothpaste*... :lol: "


The Bus is always spot on with the social commentary, no?