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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Antigen on January 18, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
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Man, this is bizarre and fascinating. The more I hear and experience of HLA, the more it reminds me of the Seed. Then I find out there exists someone who went through the Seed and then worked at HLA. Great! I'd love to hear from the dude cause I remember well the days of Seedlings harassing the alleged druggies (aka Seed critics) mercilessly and relentlessly, then posting guards and crying persecution when the scarry, scarry druggies (aka escapees and people who's friends had been abducted) would come by and shout "THE SEED SUCKS!" and moon the building.
This is like a Twilight Zone remake of a bad classic.
What other similarities and differences do you see between HLA and the Seed? Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999
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BANS!!!
Like its somehow theraputic to prevent students from forming relationships and encourage them to distrust and attack each other.
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On 2006-01-18 16:46:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"BANS!!!
Like its somehow theraputic to prevent students from forming relationships and encourage them to distrust and attack each other. "
What was so bad about bans? They only did that to help us stay away from negativity. Whats the big fuckin' deal dude?
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I'd like to know more about this too. It's just creepy how incestuous the whole damn industry is. :scared:
...because flapping your arms like a spastic parrot comes in handy in real life, doesn't it?
Helena Handbasket
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On 2006-01-18 16:48:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 16:46:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"BANS!!!
Like its somehow theraputic to prevent students from forming relationships and encourage them to distrust and attack each other. "
What was so bad about bans? They only did that to help us stay away from negativity. Whats the big fuckin' deal dude?"
This guy kills me. I swear. He's too much.
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What is decided to be negative. I knew of a student who was banned from wearing a crucifix.
Was that negative.
Now answer the question Short Bus.
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Ginger you misunderstood my post. I said my husband was put through the Seed. Not my ex husband who works there at HLA. My ex husband never went through a boarding school environment. My current husband went to the Seed.
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On 2006-01-18 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger you misunderstood my post. I said my husband was put through the Seed. Not my ex husband who works there at HLA. My ex husband never went through a boarding school environment. My current husband went to the Seed."
Log in already, Cybill. Geez.
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On 2006-01-18 16:54:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"What is decided to be negative. I knew of a student who was banned from wearing a crucifix.
Was that negative.
Now answer the question Short Bus. "
All in all your just another dick with no balls
-Pink Floyd
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Steve if I am saying its me what the fuck difference does it make to you? I am in the middle of something else and dont FEEL like logging in. that OK with you? Geez get over it already
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On 2006-01-18 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Steve if I am saying its me what the fuck difference does it make to you? I am in the middle of something else and dont FEEL like logging in. that OK with you? Geez get over it already"
It really does make a difference to people who don't follow this forum daily but are still interested in the discussions. It's much easier to follow the conversation and understand the context in which things are written and a basic background of the author. Kind of a common courtesy thing if you're going to be posting regularly about a program or topic.In a culture based on the oppressive notion that people should be exploited for profit most people can't afford to understand what happened to us in str8.
starry-eyed pirate
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On 2006-01-18 17:01:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 16:54:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"What is decided to be negative. I knew of a student who was banned from wearing a crucifix.
Was that negative.
Now answer the question Short Bus. "
All in all your just another dick with no balls
-Pink Floyd"
Again you illustrate that youre to stupid to come up with your own lyrics or insults, and must instead borrow from 4th graders.
Come on Short Bus dont be a little bitch about it. We all want to see your other brilliant remarks. Oh and still waiting for you to offer some sort statement to back up your claim you went to HLA.
I understand that you wont, because you didnt. On top of the fact that youre a cry baby bitch who's afraid of being exposed. Something else I can understand completly. After all you must have been ashamed after Grandma caught you violating the dog like that.
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On 2006-01-18 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Steve if I am saying its me what the fuck difference does it make to you? I am in the middle of something else and dont FEEL like logging in. that OK with you? Geez get over it already"
So thats your name? And my shes getting testy. Maybe we should give her a break. I mean after all she had a rough day being exposed as a lying, hypocritical, two faced, moronic, bitch. Not that any of this was new.
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On second thought no lets keep it up. Bullfrog why refuse to log in now? You know we can expose you at any time so your cowering will no longer help you. Its best just to log in, that way you can edit all of your stupid comments afterwards.
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I needn't prove ANYTHING to you, faggot asshole. Is you ass sore from last nite? :rofl: :lol: You seem to be leaky! :lol:
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I think the question is- where in the world has treating 'negativity' with negativity been shown to be effective?
Jail, Prisons? No
Boot Camps? No
Forced psychiatric treatment? No
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On 2006-01-18 17:28:00, Deborah wrote:
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I think the question is- where in the world has treating 'negativity' with negativity been shown to be effective?
Jail, Prisons? No
Boot Camps? No
Forced psychiatric treatment? No
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HLA was effective! Then again, it wasn't a negative place as you stated.
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On 2006-01-18 17:28:00, Short Bus wrote:
"I needn't prove ANYTHING to you, faggot asshole. Is you ass sore from last nite? :rofl: :lol: You seem to be leaky! :lol: "
So again youre acknowleding that you like to have sex with men.
Maybe you should have gone to HLA they wont admit it but they do in fact treat homosexuality as a disorder despite the fact that the owner and a large number of staff there are openly gay.
How old are you Short Bus? Well it doesnt matter, so long as you pay them they'll take even you.
Im still not understanding the problem here Short Bus. You talked so big behind a computer yet now youre a cry baby bitch?
Why the contridiction?
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On 2006-01-18 17:32:00, Short Bus wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 17:28:00, Deborah wrote:
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I think the question is- where in the world has treating 'negativity' with negativity been shown to be effective?
Jail, Prisons? No
Boot Camps? No
Forced psychiatric treatment? No
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HLA was effective! Then again, it wasn't a negative place as you stated."
How would you know, you were never there.
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Where the fuck did I acknowledge that I like gay sex dude??? You are a stupid little fucker. How did I contradict anything? I'm a cry baby bitch? ME? Dude, these programs were jokes dude, your the one crying, little faggot :lol:
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And for the final time, RobertQueen, I was in HLA. Why is that so hard to believe? And before you begin with your usual rhetoric that exemplifies why you cry all the time in the first place, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT..It seems to me that the better half of you ran down your moms inner thigh. :lol:
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On 2006-01-18 16:46:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"BANS!!!
Like its somehow theraputic to prevent students from forming relationships and encourage them to distrust and attack each other. "
Ok, I'm guessing bans are like bans in CEDU and WWASP programs, and that's just like 'clicking' (I swear! I spent two years not correcting that for fear of pissing off staff) Therapeutic? No. Actually extremely harmful. But very effective!
I mean, how can you expect to control a bunch of nearly grown adults who are not game for it if you allow them to form meaningful friendships? You can't. The only "friend" you're allowed under a totalitarian system is the system; sometimes embodied by a skidrow drunk turned megalomaniac.
Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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Ok then :exclaim: Short Bus ain't gotta prove nothin and RB ain't gonna b'lieve it even if he did.
We can all agree on that, right?
Now, seriously, who the hell is your beloved, Susan? My mind is racing! I could guess, I guess, but I'd really like to know what he thinks of what's going on now.
I'm not talking about 2nd hand stories and obvious trolls. I'm talking about what we're seeing in this forum as it happens. I can give ya'll the certified numbers from at least two letters. You could check. These thugs really seem to be sending Quirk & Quirk or the FBI after former employees, students, parents or even curious college kids who "threaten" to take pictures of the place.
Does anybody else think that the rest is sort of moot after that? I mean, aside from Mark & Cheryl Sudweeks, who sues teenagers to shut them up? You can read all about that right here.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=35 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=35)
And notice how similar their behavior to what's going on over here.
Suzanne? Can you please ask your beloved to weigh in here? I'm dying to know what he thinks.
Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
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On 2006-01-18 17:40:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Where the fuck did I acknowledge that I like gay sex dude??? You are a stupid little fucker. How did I contradict anything? I'm a cry baby bitch? ME? Dude, these programs were jokes dude, your the one crying, little faggot :lol: "
Well you mentioned before you like watching men masturbate. You also stated you thought George would make a "handsom corpse", and then you asked me if my ass was sore from last night. This from your apparent fanatasy of either watching two men or in fact having sex with a man.
Your contridictions stem from that you try and talk big behind a computer, claiming you can cast spells, that you want to fight people, or that they are gay (despite your own hidden desires) and all the while pretending to be unafraid and willing to back up anything.
Yet when you are faced with the possibility of being exposed, having every single comment youve made on here highlighted you cower in fear.
Am I wrong?
No.
Face facts, youre a weak little bitch who doesnt want us to see what all youve been hiding behind. Cry baby, step up to the plate. What are you worried we'll find out?
Also you continue to talk about programs like you know something about them. You were never at HLA, everyone knows that. If you were at Elan I want you to go back there. Given your repressed homosexuality, agoraphobia, low self esteem, cowardice, necrophilia, delusional behavior you need all the help you can get. Maybe HLA wouldnt be a bad idea. Given the fact that youre such a weak little bitch Elan is obviously a cake walk, any place harder and your own pathetic nature would have forced you to kill yourself....maybe HLA isnt a bad idea for you afterall.
:lol:
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On 2006-01-18 17:45:00, Short Bus wrote:
"And for the final time, RobertQueen, I was in HLA. Why is that so hard to believe? And before you begin with your usual rhetoric that exemplifies why you cry all the time in the first place, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO PROVE SHIT..It seems to me that the better half of you ran down your moms inner thigh. :wave:
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Oh, you'd better go to confession, Robert Bruce! Short Bus is on Fr. Cassian's staff! You don't want to make Fr. Cassian angry! You know how he gets when he's upset!
Give him another 10 munites he should be done.
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And,
we all can see how well HLA has affected you..
Ginger, can you not expell the low life from
your site?
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From the Seed Forum:
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August 14, 1973
Charles Mays
556 W. Flagler St.
Miami, Fl
Re: The Seed
Dear MR. Mays:
I'm not sure I can be of much help to you concerning your investigation of the Seed's operational procedures and governmental involvement. I have had only a brief exposure to the mysterious dealings of the "drug rehabilitation program."
During the early part of July, I had the occasion to meet an eighteen year old who had just been sentenced to six months in the Seed, said sentence being imposed by a local municipal judge. During the course of the investigation of that incident I learned that certain police officers had retained a quantity of evidence seized during the course of the youth's arrest. The police retained this evidence to use a threat, thus any effort on my part to have the sentence of the court vacated would have exposed the youth to felony charges. I therefore abandoned my effort to aid him, as I could do nothing that would really "help" him.
However, I have learned that the above method of retaining evidence (either by the police or the Seed itself) is not uncommon. I have spoken to several circuit court judges, in this area and they are not at all impressed with the Seed's attitude of being above the law. Other than the aforementioned conferences I have not had a chance to challenge the Seed's authority to completely deprive an offender of his basic rights.
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I do know that it is very difficult to visit a "Seedling" while he is at the Seed. During my brief term as the aforementioned youth's counsel I literally had to threaten the people of the seed before they would even allow me to talk to my client.
There are a great many questions concerning The Seed that need to be answered. Both the methods of "obtaining" Seedlings and the method of indoctrination need to be aired so that all can see how close 1984 really is.
I am sorry that I cannot be of much assistance in your investigation. If I ever Get a client again, who, like the aforementioned youth, was railroaded into the program, I definitely plan to raise Hell, but until then I really have no standing.
Sincerely,
John Henninger.
Director, Pinellas ACLU
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On 2006-01-18 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ginger you misunderstood my post. I said my husband was put through the Seed. Not my ex husband who works there at HLA. My ex husband never went through a boarding school environment. My current husband went to the Seed."
Tell him please to visit the Seed discussion forum. We would like to speak to him!
:grin:
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He has posted on numerous occasions in the past...but hasnt in a long time.
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really? Under what handle?
Tell him we miss him, whatever it was. Also, tell him there is a lot of new posts that are from newspapers and national publications from 1973.
Tell him to get his ass over there for a refresher.
:rofl: :rofl:
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On 2006-01-19 13:13:00, SHH wrote:
"He has posted on numerous occasions in the past...but hasnt in a long time."
Oh are you back to posting under your own screen name now? Not much point in hiding anymore is there?
When will you be willing to discuss all the apparent discrepancies in your statements?
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Does someone here need some help?
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Yes Suzanne does...desperatly. Would you be willing to hear her confession? She's got a lot of sins to get off her chest.
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No sins here, sorry try someone else
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Are you sure? Youve been caught in number of lies, and an apparent lack of faith.
Are you really going to claim youve never sinned?
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I'm tellin' yenz, she's not lying. Neither is Ottowa. They're BULLSHITTING! There's a difference.
A liar knows the truth and makes a concious decision to say something untrue. These people believe what they're saying. They believe that all teenagers who are not completely cowed and like it are dangerous animals who must be tamed by force and that anyone who can't clearly see that must be plum crazy.
"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."
--William S. Burroughs