Post by: Troll Control on January 13, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
Did they tell you, perhaps, that they don't accept court-ordered kids?
That they don't strip search?
That they have never had incidents where staff members had sex with minors under their care?
That staff members who had sex with minors on campus would be/have been fired?
That the campus is drug free?
That the kids don't have intercourse with one another?
That they follow the guidelines of the accrediting agency?
That they are licensed to provide mental health care?
That they have never had any suicide attempts?
That the patients are supervised around the clock?
That they don't lock the patients inside the dorms at night, including locking widows and emergency exits?
That they don't use forced labor as punishment?
That they follow their own rules regarding sending patients to "wilderness"?
What have they told you that just wasn't true?
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-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-13 16:36 ]
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 14, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Hey what if you were already a productive member of society before you got there?
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
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On 2006-01-14 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They told us that they don't accept kids who have criminal charges and got court ordered into treatment. That was not true. They also told us that they didn't do strip searches but they did those too. They told us that it wasn't a lockup, but they do lock the kids down at night. They lied about a lot of things to get that check. This place just scams you out of the tuition money and then tells you they won't give a refund if you take your kid home early because of all the problems. I would look somewhere else for your kid."
Can you talk about these points this customer raises, abc123?
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
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On 2006-01-14 19:21:00, RobertBruce wrote:That would mean you have idiot, asshole parents that never really loved you, and viewed you as a mere burden.
"Or if you want to be scarred and abused.
Hey what if you were already a productive member of society before you got there?"
Post by: RobertBruce on January 15, 2006, 10:21:00 PM
Of course it would also mean that HLA kept a student that did not need to be there.
Why would they do that?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 16, 2006, 08:24:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 08:33:00 AM
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On 2006-01-16 05:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Because the parent did not want them to be home."
This just goes to show that HLA is fully willing to hold kids who need no treatment against their will. This is called "warehousing."
HLA is a Behavior Modification Warehouse.
That is just plain wrong.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2006, 08:36:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Did they tell you, perhaps, that they don't accept court-ordered kids?
That they don't strip search?
That they have never had incidents where staff members had sex with minors under their care?
That staff members who had sex with minors on campus would be/have been fired?
That the campus is drug free?
That the kids don't have intercourse with one another?
That they follow the guidelines of the accrediting agency?
That they are licensed to provide mental health care?
That they have never had any suicide attempts?
That the patients are supervised around the clock?
That they don't lock the patients inside the dorms at night, including locking widows and emergency exits?
That they don't use forced labor as punishment?
That they follow their own rules regarding sending patients to "wilderness"?
Post by: juniper2 on January 16, 2006, 02:04:00 PM
they are building another HLA...? Frightening..
Post by: juniper2 on January 16, 2006, 02:08:00 PM
attempted to get all pre-paid tuition and the
three months security refunded???
Post by: juniper2 on January 16, 2006, 02:10:00 PM
Post by: TheWho on January 16, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 11:10:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Have you sent this list to ISAACORP?"
They will need evidence that each claim is stated by the institution to be true (or provided by Hyde) and evidence of false claims (or evidence to the contrary)
Example:
That they don't strip search?
Where is this stated by Hyde (brochure, contract etc.) and evidence that it is being done (current or ex students) for each discrepancy.
Otherwise ISAACORP will file the info under disgruntled persons
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 02:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 11:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-16 11:10:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Have you sent this list to ISAACORP?"
They will need evidence that each claim is stated by the institution to be true (or provided by Hyde) and evidence of false claims (or evidence to the contrary)
Example:
That they don't strip search?
Where is this stated by Hyde (brochure, contract etc.) and evidence that it is being done (current or ex students) for each discrepancy.
Otherwise ISAACORP will file the info under disgruntled persons"
Hey, dummy. In your eagerness to defend that shitty school, Hyde, you posted on a thread about Hidden Lake Academy.
Nice job. :roll:
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 02:48:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 11:04:00, juniper2 wrote:
"All the above and more...And, I just heard
they are building another HLA...? Frightening.."
Which items in specifc, Juniper, were you told that turned out later to be completely false?
Please list them from your experience.
Post by: TheWho on January 16, 2006, 03:07:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 11:10:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Have you sent this list to ISAACORP?"
They will need evidence that each claim is stated by the institution to be true (or provided by HLA) and evidence of false claims (or evidence to the contrary)
Example:
That they don't strip search?
Where is this stated by HLA (brochure, contract etc.) and evidence that it is being done (current or ex students) for each discrepancy.
Otherwise ISAACORP will file the info under disgruntled persons"
This goes for a grevience against any Corporation or institution (you can Replace HLA above with Hyde,Ford Motor Company, Microsoft etc.
Hope this helps
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-16 11:10:00, juniper2 wrote:
"Have you sent this list to ISAACORP?"
They will need evidence that each claim is stated by the institution to be true (or provided by HLA) and evidence of false claims (or evidence to the contrary)
Example:
That they don't strip search?
Where is this stated by HLA (brochure, contract etc.) and evidence that it is being done (current or ex students) for each discrepancy.
Otherwise ISAACORP will file the info under disgruntled persons"
This goes for a grevience against any Corporation or institution (you can Replace HLA above with Hyde,Ford Motor Company, Microsoft etc.
Hope this helps
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No, it doesn't. Unless you were strip searched by Ford Motor Company.
What a dope.
Post by: TheWho on January 16, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
What a dope.****
If Ford states that it does not strip search and you have evidence that they do. Then they can be reported. Anyone can be reported for strip searching.
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 04:27:00 PM
Did they tell you, perhaps, that they don't accept court-ordered kids?
That they don't strip search?
That they have never had incidents where staff members had sex with minors under their care?
That staff members who had sex with minors on campus would be/have been fired?
That the campus is drug free?
That the kids don't have intercourse with one another?
That they follow the guidelines of the accrediting agency?
That they are licensed to provide mental health care?
That they have never had any suicide attempts?
That the patients are supervised around the clock?
That they don't lock the patients inside the dorms at night, including locking widows and emergency exits?
That they don't use forced labor as punishment?
That they follow their own rules regarding sending patients to "wilderness"?
Thanks for staying on topic.
Post by: Antigen on January 16, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
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Sunday, October 9, 2005 E-mail this | Print page
A hoax most cruel
By Andrew Wolfson
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbc ... /510090392 (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/NEWS01/510090392)
What's the difference between what this guy did and what places like HLA do?
He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
Post by: TheWho on January 16, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
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On 2006-01-16 15:33:00, Antigen wrote:
"About unauthorized strip searches...Quote
Sunday, October 9, 2005 E-mail this | Print page
A hoax most cruel
By Andrew Wolfson
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbc ... /510090392 (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/NEWS01/510090392)
What's the difference between what this guy did and what places like HLA do?He who laughs lasts
--Crazy Mac
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The only difference I can see is that Mcdonalds doesnt come out and say "We dont do Strip searchs" its doesnt appear (from the article) they have addressed or have policy on, where as, according to a previous post (list of things HLA advocates), HLA assures parents that they dont perform strip searchs and then they do it, which is an indication that HLA has a policy of strip searching but are lieing to the parents.
Mcdonalds has a problem with one store manager.
HLA apparently has a systemic problem and is not following their own policy.
HLA should either take a more open approach and define how and when strip searchs are performed and then relay this information openly to the parents (via written policy/procedures) or abandon the practice altogether. Any other way leaves them exposed to litigation in my view.
Post by: Antigen on January 16, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
And what he did seems to me very, very similar to what these programs do. Think about who their staff are and about the authority that long-term inmates have over the new kids. All of these horrible things that keep happening, they happen at the volition and with some manner of approval by the entire student/staff body. More often than not, these kids believe (at least somewhat) that what they're doing or watching w/ nominal approval, is "the right thing"; just like those dumb assed fast food managers who thought they were following the lawful orders of an officer.
I think it's a fascinating story w/ huge implications to this industry.
I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
--Thomas Carlyle
Post by: juniper2 on January 16, 2006, 11:17:00 PM
the children are to be strip searched..the handbook only states ...drug testing(urine sample)...We are told they will be doing light
chores such as raking, cleaning up during
restrictions. There is nothing relating to carrying rocks and medium boulders around..
It was assumed PT included push-ups,sit- ups,
running,etc.. not what was happening.
It was not a military academy. Power does
strange things to even good people, if one buys
into the system....
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2006, 10:57:00 AM
Court-ordered- There are no kids that are sentenced to HLA. There are kids who the courts are allowing to go to HLA in leiu of being sentenced elsewhere and upon successful completing of the program will have their charges dropped. It is a matter of semantics, I know. But they are not technically "court ordered" to HLA.
Strip Search- Yes. STrip searched are done. Always have been, to my knowledge. Any denial of this is a lie and someone is not doing their job.
Sex with staff- I am aware of three rumors, no facts. Two rumors have to do with staff and students after both have left HLA. This is not AT ALL appropriate, but it did not happen while they were under the direct care of HLA. I am aware of one rumor of a staff having sex with a girl while she was at HLA. This has been ivestigated and,to my understanding, HLA can find no truth to the rumors other than people saying, "well I heard something happened, but I don't know for sure."
Drug free campus- HLA's campus is largely drug free. There have been times when kids have snuck drugs on campus, despite the fact that strip searches are done.
Students having sex with each other- HLA keeps very close tabs on its students. There have been kids have sex with each other, however, durign the almost 11 years of it's existence. It is rare though.
Accrediting agency guidelines- HLA is accredited by SACS and follows their guidelines.
Licensed for mental health care- No. HLA is not under any state license other than being accredited by several accrediting agencies.
Suicide attempts- While extremely rare, there have been suicide attempts on campus. There have been no successes.
Locked inside the dorms- The doors are locked from the outside, to keep people out. You can easily push the door open to get out in case of an emergency. There are at least three exits to each dorm.
Forced Labor as punishment- Kids do hard work as a consequence. Chopping woods, clearing dead branches, stacking fire wood, minor landscaping. HLA hires a professional landscaping crew for the major jobs.
Wilderness- Yes they follow their own rules regarding sending the students to wilderness. Who elses rules would they follow? If a child runs away, harms or severely threatens someone else, or brings drugs onto campus, they will go to wilderness.
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Post by: Troll Control on January 17, 2006, 11:41:00 AM
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Court-ordered- There are no kids that are sentenced to HLA. There are kids who the courts are allowing to go to HLA in leiu of being sentenced elsewhere and upon successful completing of the program will have their charges dropped. It is a matter of semantics, I know. But they are not technically "court ordered" to HLA.
This is called being "mandated" into treatment. And, yes, it is by court order. Of course nobody is sentenced to HLA. They are, however, mandated by the court to be there and former patients have reported that the staff exercises considerable, shall we say, "leverage" over kids that face criminal charges for splitting treatment.
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Strip Search- Yes. STrip searched are done. Always have been, to my knowledge. Any denial of this is a lie and someone is not doing their job.
During my employment at HLA there were no strip searches performed. This was not policy.
Parents report that these strip searches are not disclosed before enrollment. Parents have reported asking specifically "Do you strip search?" and were told directly that HLA does not perform strip searches.
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Sex with staff- I am aware of three rumors, no facts. Two rumors have to do with staff and students after both have left HLA. This is not AT ALL appropriate, but it did not happen while they were under the direct care of HLA. I am aware of one rumor of a staff having sex with a girl while she was at HLA. This has been ivestigated and,to my understanding, HLA can find no truth to the rumors other than people saying, "well I heard something happened, but I don't know for sure."
I personally have heard from young women who were allegedly the victims of sexual harrassment and inappropriate "come ons" from staff. I am in contact with a young woman who reports she had an ongoing sexual relationship on campus with a male staff member.
Are you saying that HLA performed an investigation of sexual abuse claims by a patient? Why would they have not called the police to investigate a sexual assault by a staff member on a patient? This is astounding negligence and blatant disregard for the rights of the victim.
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Drug free campus- HLA's campus is largely drug free. There have been times when kids have snuck drugs on campus, despite the fact that strip searches are done.
Kids have reported that they were able to obtain drugs from staff members in exchange for clothing items. When I worked there kids broke into a staff member's vehicle and found his marijuana stash, which they promptly smoked right there on campus.
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Students having sex with each other- HLA keeps very close tabs on its students. There have been kids have sex with each other, however, durign the almost 11 years of it's existence. It is rare though.
It has been reported by a number of kids here and on other websites that the supervision is so lax in certain areas that they can readily have sexual intercourse without being caught. Keep in mind that this is unprotected sex that can lead to STD's including HIV and pregnancy, as birth control and condoms are "contraband."
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Accrediting agency guidelines- HLA is accredited by SACS and follows their guidelines.
This has been abundantly proven false. Especially in the area of student rights, including ready access to a non-HLA faculty to whom abuses may be reported. There are no phones and the kids are prohibited from reporting abuses to anyone other than HLA staff, who immediately dismiss the complaint and dole out punishment for "manipulating" or "lying."
There is no mechanism by which kids can report abuse.
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Licensed for mental health care- No. HLA is not under any state license other than being accredited by several accrediting agencies.
HLA is an unlicensed treatment center.
Accreditation has nothing to do with licensure whatsoever, but is often used as "evidence" that the "program" is overseen by some entity.
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Suicide attempts- While extremely rare, there have been suicide attempts on campus. There have been no successes.
This doesn't seem to jive with the stories of former patients, nor does it jive with my personal experiences.
I have never heard of a "successful" attempt, thank God.
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Locked inside the dorms- The doors are locked from the outside, to keep people out. You can easily push the door open to get out in case of an emergency. There are at least three exits to each dorm.
Patients claim windows are locked from the outside. This takes away the only avenue of escape from fire from each individual room and happens to be illegal.
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Forced Labor as punishment- Kids do hard work as a consequence. Chopping woods, clearing dead branches, stacking fire wood, minor landscaping. HLA hires a professional landscaping crew for the major jobs.
This is hardly the extent of the forced labor regimen. Your statement that kids do any landscaping shows that their forced labor is of benefit to the business. That's illegal. Kids cannot be used as a source of labor for jobs normally handled by paid employees or contractors.
What about scrubbing dumpsters with a toothbrush or moving rockpiles back and forth?
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Wilderness- Yes they follow their own rules regarding sending the students to wilderness. Who elses rules would they follow? If a child runs away, harms or severely threatens someone else, or brings drugs onto campus, they will go to wilderness.
Parents are provided with the "rules" regarding transfer of a patient to "wilderness." Several parents have complained that these rules were not followed in the cases of their children.
Thank you for your time and attention to answering some of these questions. It is sincerely appreciated.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-26 15:17 ]
Post by: TheWho on January 17, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
It appears the person answered the questions as accurate and honestly as they could. There did not appear to be any gross avoidance or denial.
Post by: Troll Control on January 17, 2006, 12:19:00 PM
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On 2006-01-17 09:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My observation-
It appears the person answered the questions as accurate and honestly as they could. There did not appear to be any gross avoidance or denial."
Please read the threads. These questions have been asked several dozens of times for over a year or more. This is the FIRST response, even though it wasn't exactly truthful or accurate.
Post by: juniper2 on January 17, 2006, 02:32:00 PM
sex in the gymnasium bathrooms. There were restriction consequences/ Ridge Creek...
The children were getting cigarettes from 'conract workers', working on the new buildings, etc. They also got cigarettes from
the night staff...feeling sorry for the children.
I was not told by any children that the staff gave them actual drugs....
Post by: RobertBruce on January 18, 2006, 01:05:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:10:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 10:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"I know for a fact staff gave both drugs and alcohol to students. "
Who were they? They should be held accountable. What are their names?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Will you hold them accountable, Robert Sullivan?"
Yes. I will.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:24:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 10:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:Oh Mr. Brucey boy, fuck off with the lies and bullshit. :cry2:
"I know for a fact staff gave both drugs and alcohol to students. "
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:24:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:Caerfully.
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How could a 'student' from PG4 hold anyone accountable?"
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:38:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:With pure love.
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How could a 'student' from PG4 hold anyone accountable?"
Post by: TheWho on January 18, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
I am sure there were kids who were abused just like in any school, church or institution. But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish.
You almost had me convinced......
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 04:44:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:You could not have put it any better than this!! :tup: Excellent.
"It is so sad, I have been on and off this site for about a year and have heard tons of horror stories from suppose kids who attended these programs. Kids having sex with staff, kids being abused, kids committing suicide. I started believing the stories and wondered if I should re think sending my daughter but The number one thing anyone would do is go to the authorities or have someone do it for them !!! If it was me who was abused, I would want to see the bastard in jail, if for anything to protect the next kid going in.
I am sure there were kids who were abused just like in any school, church or institution. But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish.
You almost had me convinced......"
Post by: WWFSMD on January 18, 2006, 04:53:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is so sad, I have been on and off this site for about a year and have heard tons of horror stories from suppose kids who attended these programs. Kids having sex with staff, kids being abused, kids committing suicide. I started believing the stories and wondered if I should re think sending my daughter but The number one thing anyone would do is go to the authorities or have someone do it for them !!! If it was me who was abused, I would want to see the bastard in jail, if for anything to protect the next kid going in.
I am sure there were kids who were abused just like in any school, church or institution. But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish.
You almost had me convinced......"
I would LOVE to see the sadists that were responsible for my abuse in jail. It's not realistic though. We're already pre-judged just by the mere fact that we were even sent to one of these places at all. It's been extremely difficult to get anyone to pay attention to these claims because of statements and assumptions exactly like yours above "But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish
You have absolutely no clue how much damage these places actually do. I "graduated" from my program and was proclaimed a "success" until I began to look behind the curtain. All bets were off and I was just another drug-addled kid who just couldn't cut it. One week earlier I had been toasted and boasted as a shining example of what the program could do. Nothing about my behavior had changed, I just began to awaken from the fog. Suddenly I found myself out of a home and family and being summarily dismissed as some disgruntled kid.
Same shit, different day. :roll:
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
Mark Twain
Post by: Troll Control on January 18, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:44:00, Anonymous wrote:You could not have put it any better than this!! :roll:
"Quote
On 2006-01-18 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is so sad, I have been on and off this site for about a year and have heard tons of horror stories from suppose kids who attended these programs. Kids having sex with staff, kids being abused, kids committing suicide. I started believing the stories and wondered if I should re think sending my daughter but The number one thing anyone would do is go to the authorities or have someone do it for them !!! If it was me who was abused, I would want to see the bastard in jail, if for anything to protect the next kid going in.
I am sure there were kids who were abused just like in any school, church or institution. But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish.
You almost had me convinced......"
For $7000.00 per month, they ought to be able to provide a 100% safe environment with qualified professionals on duty 24/7. Since that isn't even close to reality, I'd say you're getting ripped off.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 18, 2006, 07:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 13:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteOh Mr. Brucey boy, fuck off with the lies and bullshit. :cry2: "
On 2006-01-18 10:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"I know for a fact staff gave both drugs and alcohol to students. "
What Short Bus do you believe I have lied about? Also how would you know as you have never set foot at HLA? Nor have you ever met anyone who has.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 18, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 15:11:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
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On 2006-01-18 13:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteYou could not have put it any better than this!! :roll:
On 2006-01-18 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is so sad, I have been on and off this site for about a year and have heard tons of horror stories from suppose kids who attended these programs. Kids having sex with staff, kids being abused, kids committing suicide. I started believing the stories and wondered if I should re think sending my daughter but The number one thing anyone would do is go to the authorities or have someone do it for them !!! If it was me who was abused, I would want to see the bastard in jail, if for anything to protect the next kid going in.
I am sure there were kids who were abused just like in any school, church or institution. But it is obvious that most of this is bull, kids pissed off at the school because they were forced to study or did not finish.
You almost had me convinced......"
For $7000.00 per month, they ought to be able to provide a 100% safe environment with qualified professionals on duty 24/7. Since that isn't even close to reality, I'd say you're getting ripped off.
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Yeah I wasnt convinced either. You puppets really need to work on this, cause right now no one is buying it when you play pretend.
Post by: Short Bus on January 18, 2006, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 18, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Let me guess you were a trench coat kid in highschool? You idolize those doochebags from Columbine. I'll bet you can really relate to them.
Oh and no youve never set foot in HLA. Youve been asked numerous questions to illustrate that you have. Thus far you have not provided any real information.
If youd like to try again, be my guest.
Oh and youre evading the question. Are you okay with having your anon post revealed?
Post by: Antigen on January 18, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 16:40:00, RobertBruce wrote:
Yeah I wasnt convinced either. You puppets really need to work on this, cause right now no one is buying it when you play pretend. "
I don't think ya'll really fully apreciate the depth of delusion going on here. I don't think she's lying to us, I think she's bullshitting. She believes it, all of it. I know a few people like that. Hell, I have close relatives like that. Sad, isn't it?
All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race - before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its God to be truthful and understandable in his communications.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
Post by: Short Bus on January 18, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on January 18, 2006, 08:04:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 16:50:00, RobertBruce wrote:
How about we call you Harry Potter from now on.
Harry Potter :question:
No... that will never do. Professor Snape. I still hold out hope that only assisted Dumbledore in faking his own demise.
Either that or Enki.
You say there is but one way to worship the Great Spirit. If there is but one religion, why do you white people differ so much about it?
--Chief Red Jacket, Seneca Indian Chieftain
_________________
Drug war POW Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
Post by: RobertBruce on January 18, 2006, 08:20:00 PM
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On 2006-01-18 16:54:00, Short Bus wrote:
"No, I'm not OK with that. It's not hard to distinguish my posts from all the others anyways (I'm "retarded" like that :rofl: :lol: "
Short Bus what you do with corpses and non consenting animals does not count. Im interested though why are you afraid to have your anon post revealed? I mean honestly Short Bus youve got all the subtlety of an air horn, there was never any confusion as to who you were, however I for one think it would be funny to point out every single time you ever carried on a conversation with yourself.
You do that alot dont you Short Bus? Im sure you have to, being so alone and all. Or are you still pretending you have that make believe girl friend?
So again how about it Short Bus? Come on dont be such a pussy, what do you have to lose?
Post by: Troll Control on September 14, 2006, 07:08:39 PM
Quote from: ""Dysfunction Junction""
Are there any parents of HLA patients that want to discuss the lies they were told by HLA?
Did they tell you, perhaps, that they don't accept court-ordered kids?
That they don't strip search?
That they have never had incidents where staff members had sex with minors under their care?
That staff members who had sex with minors on campus would be/have been fired?
That the campus is drug free?
That the kids don't have intercourse with one another?
That they follow the guidelines of the accrediting agency?
That they are licensed to provide mental health care?
That they have never had any suicide attempts?
That the patients are supervised around the clock?
That they don't lock the patients inside the dorms at night, including locking widows and emergency exits?
That they don't use forced labor as punishment?
That they follow their own rules regarding sending patients to "wilderness"?
What have they told you that just wasn't true?
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All very good questions addressed in the lawsuit.