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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
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Who here wants revenge for having to go to cedu? Personally, I want a class action lawsuit against the school for countless cases of pshychological abuse and shut these schools down. I think a few couselors also deserve a little jail time.
If children are our future as the childrens propheet and whitney houston says, why are they being abused? What kind of future is that?
Parents beware. Spend thousands of dollars on an individual therapist AND don't send your kid away!
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Yaaaaaaaawn. Wow, haven't heard all that around here before...
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Yeah cedu sucked, but it?s not the end of the world, unless you got gang raped by staff you really have no right to complain. I only hope you just got out, cause if your going on ten years still thinking like this......damn dude.
People will be against you many times in life, learn from it and over come. I am stronger now after cedu, not because of what they taught me, not because of tools; but because I had to deal with all their psychological bullshit.
I can spot a liar in seconds, I can see through peoples words, I can debate the hell out of people, I can see so much more because of cedu. The things you gain from a place like that can be many if you look at it the right way.
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Yeah cedu sucked, but it?s not the end of the world, unless you got gang raped by staff you really have no right to complain
What about those of us who wanted to be gang raped but never were? What's wrong with us, man? Were we not pretty enough?
But seriously, revenge is such a waste of energy. I have the rest of my life to worry about, thank you. I think that deserves my energy over a grievance from something that happened 15+ years ago.
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lol southpark
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You know what sorry try another castle. It's about injustice and the fact that these schools continue. Revenge can be a waste of time if you use it incorrectly. If you use it wisely, it might make a better tomorrow. Who else wants anymore childen to go to these kind of schools? That was my point.
And your right, its a been there done that, oh and it sucked, oh well what can you do now kind a thing. But before you say one more thing, think about the fact that you frequent this place and I don't think your not over it either if you keep coming back to fornits and posting.
On 2006-01-13 04:32:00, sorry... try another castle wrote:
" Yeah cedu sucked, but it?s not the end of the world, unless you got gang raped by staff you really have no right to complain
What about those of us who wanted to be gang raped but never were? What's wrong with us, man? Were we not pretty enough?
But seriously, revenge is such a waste of energy. I have the rest of my life to worry about, thank you. I think that deserves my energy over a grievance from something that happened 15+ years ago.
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Opinions are like assholes - we all have one!
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You know what sorry try another castle. It's about injustice and the fact that these schools continue. Revenge can be a waste of time if you use it incorrectly. If you use it wisely, it might make a better tomorrow. Who else wants anymore childen to go to these kind of schools? That was my point.
I think you're confusing revenge with advocacy.
Revenge is simply tit for tat. Advocacy is supporting a cause to make sure it doesn't happen to someone else.
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On 2006-01-13 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah cedu sucked, but it?s not the end of the world, unless you got gang raped"
What's actually funny is that I was at RMA when a girl snuck up to the house dorms, fucked every guy in there, and then got wheel burrowed back to her dorms....
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On 2006-01-19 01:58:00, nashari wrote:
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On 2006-01-13 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah cedu sucked, but it?s not the end of the world, unless you got gang raped"
What's actually funny is that I was at RMA when a girl snuck up to the house dorms, fucked every guy in there, and then got wheel burrowed back to her dorms...."
Well, of course. After all that work the least they could do is give her a ride home.
Excuse me for sounding dense, but why couldn't she walk back? Were the guys really that big? I've taken several punches in the apron in one session and had no problem walking under my own power.
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Several punches in the apron? Who the fuck are you?
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Wheel barrowed back to her dorm thats great haha! I remember this one kid who was getting pulled in like 2 days so he brought this girl who had literally just gotten to the school up to his dorm in mlk. Started fucking her but i guess someone came into the other side of the dorm so she freaked out, half ass threw on all her clothes, and walked right out the front of the dorm. What a way to start 2 years.
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On 2006-01-19 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Several punches in the apron? Who the fuck are you?"
Why do you want to know? You dislike my turn of phrase?
Don't hate me because I'm a slut. Just hate me because I'm an asshole.
Us fags are very promiscuous, you know. We like to spread the AIDS n' shit.
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I thought you were a dude. And you kinda gotta offend people to be considered an asshole. You're not very offensive.
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On 2006-01-20 08:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I thought you were a dude. And you kinda gotta offend people to be considered an asshole. You're not very offensive. "
Well, that's good to know.
And yes, I am a dude.
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On 2006-01-13 03:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I can spot a liar in seconds, I can see through peoples words, I can debate the hell out of people, I can see so much more because of cedu. The things you gain from a place like that can be many if you look at it the right way.
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I have that same ability...but I don't look at it as something I gained...just an overly heightened awareness...and I'm not sure how comfortable I am with it.
with regards to revenge...I agree with Castles comment about tit for tat and the fact that advocacy is a better way to go. I just wonder why this site hasn't been forwarded to CNN or some other news source.
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But those things are a blessing and a curse. I can see through people's lies, but that means I see through every lie. I see every game everyone plays. I know everyone's true agenda. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy the bliss of ignorance once again. Because some of it is harmless, and I turn it into a big deal because they're "playing a game". Sure, it is a hell of a think to take advantage of sometimes. People have a hard time fucking me over because I don't trust their bullshit. But at the same time, I don't trust anyone. See what I mean?
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revenge is good.
all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges, How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.
tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.
HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you. The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less.
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oops thats supsoed to be...
Just as I am not Ok with another being debased and violated by the powerful and expect justice for that person - i expect it for myself.
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oh man fuck this black and white shit. of COURSE i'd want revenge if someone raped me. or if they committed genocide against my people (motherfuckers better not start slaughtering the irish haha). but there are so many things i can just let slide and forget about.
anyways, time to go get shitty. peace!
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On 2006-02-18 21:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"revenge is good.
all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges, How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.
tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.
HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you. The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less."
It's called choosing your battles, and a question of degrees of offense. Hate to break it to you, but no matter how brutal the staff were, they were far from genocidal nazis. I'd much rather spend time at CEDU than Auschwitz, thank you.
That seems to be a trend. Let's compare everyone who's an asshole to the nazis.
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On 2006-02-18 20:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"But those things are a blessing and a curse. I can see through people's lies, but that means I see through every lie. I see every game everyone plays. I know everyone's true agenda. And honestly? Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy the bliss of ignorance once again. Because some of it is harmless, and I turn it into a big deal because they're "playing a game". Sure, it is a hell of a think to take advantage of sometimes. People have a hard time fucking me over because I don't trust their bullshit. But at the same time, I don't trust anyone. See what I mean?"
exactly
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On 2006-02-18 21:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"revenge is good.
all of you who say you are against revenge...then i guess you would say that if someone raped you they should face no charges, How bout genocide? how bout other forms of unjust imprisonment? how bout lying about a justification for war? I guess you are pro nazi-war criminal getting on with their life...after all people should get over anything alot of the people who survived the camps werent ganged raped. I heard someone say that unless you were raped get over it. As someone who has been sexually "abused"- i can tell you long term organized imprisonment and torture- coupled with every person of authority and your own family saying you deserve it is far worse.
tit for tat? -thats what justice is(without playing semantics) A person violates, does egregious harm to another and then they suffer for the harm they did in a relative application- e.g justice. Perhaps you are OK wilth your bodies and minds being violated...congratulations about it making you a stronger person (hey i guess cedu works...they do promise to make you a stronger person!) But personally I'm not OK with it. Just as I would not be OK with the powerful degrading and debasng another- I would demand it for myself.
HOnestly,it is COWARDLY to not demand justice for maltreatment. Not demandning justice is easier then doing so- which requires putting yourself in jepordy in a variety of ways. Much easier to go to school, get a job, hang out, not rattle the family, then invest the time and considerable risk in going up against the powerful who have abused you. The abusers deserve comeupence. If you dont feel like taking them on-sure(thats how the majority of people react) but the people who have the bravery and strength to do so are HEROIC-nothing less."
what it appears you are referring to is "prison" justice...not true justice. Remember...this all happened to some of us 20-30 years ago and although I'm not an attorney, I would guess that there would be a statute of limitations problem...and as Castle says...pick your fights. It is impossible to think that I could close down all the schools on my own but if I can tell my experience to a parent that is considering sending their kid to a program and get them to rethink their alternatives (no need to come in here and say we HAVE considered all of our alternatives) then I feel that I have contributed to a worthy cause and may have helped to save a family.
What would you suggest I do for revenge?...lure all the former staff members that I felt wronged me to a two year "program" of a different sort...create my own workshops so that I can be the one to yell at and humiliate them...maybe I can even get them to pay me for it :roll:
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i think that the staff should get jail time the ones how worked at CEDU the place i was at locked kids in solotary confinment for months and raped,abused,and neglicted them.
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You were put in solitary and raped and abused at CEDU? I didn't even know CEDU had solitary. They didn't at RMA when I was there.
Sorry, I'm having a hard time deciphering your sentence, so I'm not sure whether you were at cedu or not.
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Yeah thats bullshit if they're talkin' about a CEDU school. Now Islandview or a place like that? I dunno man
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Obviously, this particular board is for commentary and opinions based on CEDU. Hopefully, nobody will be too inconvienced or put off with the following.
I'd never heard of Islandview, so I figured I'd look it up. The first thing I noticed was the location. Utah just seems to be conducive to disturbing behavior and beliefs. Far be it from me to denounce polygamy, but when children start being abused then "tradition" and "personal beliefs" are irrelevant, and those guilty of such betrayal of the innocence of children that want to claim entitlement to exception based upon their personal model of faith can make those pleading screams as they are dragged away to the room of ravenous wolves who haven't eaten for five days. Anyways, that's a rant for another site.
Like I was saying, I looked up this Islandview website, and I neglected to read their bullshit mission statement because those kinds of places all share the same kind of hubristic tone, always intended to mollify parents with the beguiling promise that the trouble in their child's life is not, in fact, a reflection of their parenting whatsoever. No, in fact, some kids are just born deficient, and there was nothing you as a parent could have done to remedy whatever shortcomings your child displays. That is where we come in. Here at...you guys are all familiar with the rhetoric.
Then I checked out the staff bios. Jesus. That was the creepiest lineup of so-called troubled adolescent care specialists I've ever seen. Something about the "school psychologist" particularly brought out a sense of foreboding in me. I don't know, maybe it was this picture. The school Psych is the guy who is seated.
http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html (http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html)
Also, check out the "Check in on my child" option on the following official Islandview website. I love the image there. This broad has a kid sequestered at some long term radical treatment facility in fucking Syracuse, Utah, and she's sitting at the computer with this vapid grin on her face that is probably intended to appear delighted, relieved, and grateful all at once. You can almost read the thoughts her face is supposed to imply- "Oh, he IS making progress! What a wonderful assessment of my kid?s progress by the people I'm paying to straighten him/her out. Well, not straighten them out, I mean, heal them of their inherent defects that I did nothing to cause and was wholly unqualified to correct. Unlike these nice people in Utah, who I'm paying an exorbitant amount of money to in order to guide the development of my own child's very personality. I'm comfortable with that. And this progress report says that my kid is making huge strides towards being a functioning and stable human being, although he/she is still a good 6 months to a year away from discharge. Speaking of which, I better get my checkbook and send those miracle workers another used Honda Civic. For what they're doing with my kid (and for what I don't have to trouble myself with doing now,) paying enough money per month to buy a used car outright is totally worth it."
Actually, I'd imagine that is not the sentiment they had in mind in going with this particular image. But it's what I took out of it.
http://www.islandview-rtc.com/ (http://www.islandview-rtc.com/)
[ This Message was edited by: Sardonic Shrug on 2006-02-27 22:09 ]
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On 2006-02-27 22:04:00, Sardonic Shrug wrote:
"Obviously, this particular board is for commentary and opinions based on CEDU. Hopefully, nobody will be too inconvienced or put off with the following.
I'd never heard of Islandview, so I figured I'd look it up. The first thing I noticed was the location. Utah just seems to be conducive to disturbing behavior and beliefs. Far be it from me to denounce polygamy, but when children start being abused then "tradition" and "personal beliefs" are irrelevant, and those guilty of such betrayal of the innocence of children that want to claim entitlement to exception based upon their personal model of faith can make those pleading screams as they are dragged away to the room of ravenous wolves who haven't eaten for five days. Anyways, that's a rant for another site.
Like I was saying, I looked up this Islandview website, and I neglected to read their bullshit mission statement because those kinds of places all share the same kind of hubristic tone, always intended to mollify parents with the beguiling promise that the trouble in their child's life is not, in fact, a reflection of their parenting whatsoever. No, in fact, some kids are just born deficient, and there was nothing you as a parent could have done to remedy whatever shortcomings your child displays. That is where we come in. Here at...you guys are all familiar with the rhetoric.
Then I checked out the staff bios. Jesus. That was the creepiest lineup of so-called troubled adolescent care specialists I've ever seen. Something about the "school psychologist" particularly brought out a sense of foreboding in me. I don't know, maybe it was this picture. The school Psych is the guy who is seated.
http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html (http://www.oakley-school.com/founder1.html)
Also, check out the "Check in on my child" option on the following official Islandview website. I love the image there. This broad has a kid sequestered at some long term radical treatment facility in fucking Syracuse, Utah, and she's sitting at the computer with this vapid grin on her face that is probably intended to appear delighted, relieved, and grateful all at once. You can almost read the thoughts her face is supposed to imply- "Oh, he IS making progress! What a wonderful assessment of my kid?s progress by the people I'm paying to straighten him/her out. Well, not straighten them out, I mean, heal them of their inherent defects that I did nothing to cause and was wholly unqualified to correct. Unlike these nice people in Utah, who I'm paying an exorbitant amount of money to in order to guide the development of my own child's very personality. I'm comfortable with that. And this progress report says that my kid is making huge strides towards being a functioning and stable human being, although he/she is still a good 6 months to a year away from discharge. Speaking of which, I better get my checkbook and send those miracle workers another used Honda Civic. For what they're doing with my kid (and for what I don't have to trouble myself with doing now,) paying enough money per month to buy a used car outright is totally worth it."
Actually, I'd imagine that is not the sentiment they had in mind in going with this particular image. But it's what I took out of it.
http://www.islandview-rtc.com/ (http://www.islandview-rtc.com/)
[ This Message was edited by: Sardonic Shrug on 2006-02-27 22:09 ]"
Sardonic...I remember your first post that has since been lost. I was afraid to comment on it as I too wanted to lash out at those that were dismissing the wave of emotions that were brought out by being "turned on" to this site. I have seen that you now realize that we are not all a bunch of "disgruntled 20 year olds" with nothing better to do with our time than bash programs as many people lay into us about. For nearly two decades I have repressed everything that happened at RMA that tweaked with my psyche and when I see so many other people going through the exact same things it made me start to remember and it really isn't a fun rollercoaster ride of emotions. Lots of thigs were buried deep within our subconcious due to the sleep deprivation/physical exhaustion tecniques used in conjunction with their so called "excercises"...now that I am remembering alot of what happened to me at RMA and telling my story to my family and psychiatrist everybody has a new understanding for the trauma I have been experiencing post RMA.
I am not one of the people that has not gotten on with my life. I have Degrees in Both Econ and Business...have contributed to society in many ways whether it be volunteer work or substitute teaching while running a business and restoring a house. I'm not a lazy misfit. I have tried "getting over it and moving on" for a long time now seeing both Psychologists and Psychiatrists all of whom have been baffled by my illness. None of them doubted that I was "messed up" but they couldn't put their finger on it. I have been a medical guinea pig for years with nothing working (supposed bipolar) but after seeing that I was better off meds...albeit still screwed up and tortured in my head...I felt destined for a life of hopelessness. After finding this site and telling my story I have been rediagnosed with PTSD. That is a whole new struggle in itself.
With regards to your comments on the brochure for Islandview...if you started checking out the websites for other schools...you will see that they all seem so benign yet they are still running things in similar if not the same ways. And the glazed looks of happiness are there also. I have checked out where the former RMA faculty of my day are now...(some of who don't even mention in their website Bio's that they were affiliated with RMA) and they have sprouted up as school directors all over the country.
Thanks for understanding
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OKB4RMA- Listen, I mean this sincerely, best of luck to you in finding contentment and peace. Life ain't easy, no matter where you're from or what kind of family atmosphere you grew up in. That's a generalization, and I'm sure there are some who've ascended the ladder of life's journey with nothing but blissful occurrences and relationships with which they form their personality and outlook on life. I for one have never met anyone like that. Granted, I've never been to the Seventh Heaven filming set, but just the same...I remain highly doubtful that those people exist, yet I acknowledge the possibility.
Either way, clearly we are not two individuals who have that kind of constructive, joyous type of transition. It sounds to me, however, that you have been stricken in a different way than I, and that you are struggling currently with finding a way to assimilate destructive memories from your past into a place in your consciousness that will allow the past to simply exist as a neutral and no longer impelling force, as opposed to an omnipresent razor, constantly slicing into your ordinary day with a sharp reminder of things you wish would just disappear. I used to feel that way before CEDU, which sounds strange. But in my case, CEDU somehow violently shook those kinds of mental inclinations out of me, and replaced them with a kind of cold contempt for that kind of perception. Strangely enough, I was thrilled with that unexpected development, as I no longer seemed wracked with a debilitating depression but rather felt cool and detached, aloof I guess. This is not an indictment of what you expressed in any way, rather, the sort of disapproval I referred to was how I felt towards my own past view of reality. You could conceivably call it a self-perpetuated psychological manipulation...because when I admitted weakness and doubt in the past, (family issues, alcoholism coupled with persistent emphasis on toughness and masculinity as a bleed and not cry representation) I was chastised and subjected to bizarre 2:00 AM wakeups in which my sensitivity and emotional expression was painstakingly, and drunkenly, dissected as pathetic and embarrassingly weak, and so in response to this suffocating malaise and self-incrimination I developed a mindset of indifference and cynicism that allowed me to distance myself from the pratfalls of displaying emotion. Eventually, and really this developed from a partial evolution to a rooted and dominant mindset in the year and half I was at CEDU, I no longer felt compelled to despair over life and my place in that existence. This has separated me from depression, but I also feel emotionless and bitter, yet somehow bitter without discomfort.
All that is hard to explain, naturally. And my armchair psychiatry is probably worthless as it is off the cuff and anyways, I'm in no position to give people advice on establishing a cohesive, pleasant world view. I don't think I really gave you any advice here, anyways. But I guess you somehow encouraged me to open up a little...it was strange but not unpleasant. For you, I hope you find some resolution in your current pursuit of coming to terms with the past. I wish you all the best.
I just came across a quote that seems well suited for whatever the hell I was trying to say-
No man can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude without finally getting bewildered as to which may be true. -Hawthorne
[ This Message was edited by: Sardonic Shrug on 2006-02-28 12:37 ]
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i want revenge but i cant CEDU/BROWN SCHOOLS is shut down. i went through so much shit there it does not matter anymore i just want to forget that shithole.i remember staff brakeing kids noses brakeing kids arms when they ran away. they used it as a excuse to beat the shit out of the kids and then bring them back to the unit. then you would hear them say you are a loser your never going to get out of her. we had score cards and the staff would give low scores just to see the kids get emotional and then send them to the brake room. i remember one time a kid did not want to go to the brake room so the staff broke his nose and when he was on the floor sobbing he said how about that brake.
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how melodramatic of you
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Well, asshole, living in a place where you see arms and noses being broke will do that to a person.
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Come now, does that make sense to you,that staff would routinely be breaking students' arms and legs, and no body, parents, doctors or anyone, would complain?
It could happen in a struggle, some time, some where, but if it was happening a lot, well, I just dont' buy that nothing would have been done about it.
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It happens all the time with the staff saying it was the student's fault. This occurred, according to Never, at a Brown facility, not the CEDU schools. But it has happened at other "emotional growth" schools.
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On 2006-03-05 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well, asshole, living in a place where you see arms and noses being broke will do that to a person."
You were there with plenty of other people but you're the only dumbshit of all of them that's on here whining about it.
Quit trying to make it sound like you had trouble falling asleep at night over the sound of kids getting their fibia's snapped by staff outside your window. Get a hold of your life!
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On 2006-03-05 15:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It happens all the time with the staff saying it was the student's fault. This occurred, according to Never, at a Brown facility, not the CEDU schools. But it has happened at other "emotional growth" schools. "
Oooooh, a big, bad "Brown Facility". Like Islandview and such were so fuckin' scary. At least when I was there, the bullshit was straight forward.
And oh yes, bones were being broken EVERY day. It was a fuckin' EPIDEMIC man! Used to eat my breakfast and think "FUCK!! I hope no staff breaks my collarbone today and blames it on me"
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HEY EX STAFF STICK IT UP YOUR ASS.EAT COCK BIICH YOU DONT NO THE FIRST THING SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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I never lost sleep over fear of physical abuse at CEDU. Although it was a bit uncomfortable knowing certain staff members had a history of violence. I do not know what happens at other facilities, but I do not believe that EVERYONE is lying that there were times the physical boundaries were inequitably violated. On some of the other sites, adults who have been out of the programs for decades have no resaon to lie. Is it really that big of a leap to believe that certain staff who had a sadistic enjoyment of the emotional torture they could wreak could take it a step further?
This kid who talks about seeing broken bones was obviously traumatized.
Maybe he can share under the circumstances it happned.
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I'm not a staff, I was a student. I hated CEDU and the "Brown Facilities" I got stuck in. But I'm going to make my argument against them based in fact and reason. Otherwise no one will take my arguments seriously. I think this kid who is so haunted by broken bones is just a pussy.
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I THINK YOU ARE A STAFF. ASSHOLE BECAUSE IF YOU READ THE NEWS MOST STAFF DONT BECAUSE THEY NEVER FINISHED 8TH GRADE. YOU WILL SEE BROWN SCHOOLS GOT SHUT DOWN FOR MURDER.
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Clearly you didn't finish 8th grade either. That was almost a cool couple of sentences you almost put together there.