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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: GregFL on January 02, 2006, 10:42:00 AM
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The first post in the SDF was 12/28/2001. We just hit five years old, and no longer are we wetting the bed!
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Seriously, thanks to all for making this an educational and inspiring process. Speaking for myself, I have learned a tremendous amount and I appreciate the courage it has taken everyone to dig up these memories and face them down, all the while challenging ourselves and our firmly held conceptions of what occured.
In addition, it has been great reconnecting with some cool people and meeting some new ones. Imagine, I never thought I would make friends with an old staff member who is pro seed, but I did (ft laud, John Und to name a few).
Thanks again everyone. Lets keep it going.
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Let me be the first to contradulate you! This has consistently been one of the most informative and interesting fora on here. I wasn't in the Seed, I was in its decendant Straight. There are differences but the basics are the same. There are a lot of us our here who read SDF regularly, whether we were in Seed, Straight or one of the other spin-off programs. Thanks for all the valuable info. :wave:
But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
Ludwig Von Mises
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Congrats, Greg. Not wetting the bed is just a huge step toward maturity. Pretty soon there will be sleep overs and before you know it, of to college....
Seriously, though. Thank you all so much for all that you do.
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hehe...Now if I could just do something about those wet dreams.
GregFL
(forgot to log in...again!)
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Greg,
Congrats, and thank you for this forum. I have renewed some friendships here after 30 yrs. This forum has been very interesting.... hearing what peoples perspective about their experience in the seed was. I am sorry for all the people who have been messed up by the seed. I have my pros and cons, and I think I have shared them all here. Hope you have another 5 yrs. here.
Thank Greg & Ginger,
Julie
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Thanks Ginger for providing the expertise, the inspiration, the bandwith, and of course...the controversy! :grin:
Just a little fornits history here. It must have been about 7 years ago, I googled my last name (who doesn't?) and found Wes, Ginger, Ken,Kim, Kathy, and a few others talking on a small message board about Straight, INc. My family has some history with Straight as my father was one of the founders. This site was run by Ginger and her husband Bill.
Before long she archived that site and started the WWF to meet the demands of the growing board. Often she hinted to me that I should start a seed discussion forum and she would host it. One day I called her and asked her to add this site and I would moderate it, and I also asked her to add several others (CEDU and a couple others) and offered to moderate them as well until we could find others to do so. pretty quickly others came in to help out.
From the beginning Ginger allowed me to run this site in any manner I chose. I tried to solicit everyone I could to come here because I figured I had a hell of a lot to learn from others that were there, and learn I have!
You guys are all pretty cool.
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On 2006-01-02 15:14:00, GregFL wrote:
You guys are all pretty cool.
Indeed. And ya'll are extremely welcome just for that. You know what an asshole I am. I wouldn't do this if I didn't get some enjoyment and satisfaction out of it.
Happy New Year! :wave: There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.
-- HUBERT H. HUMPHREY, speech (1965)
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Come on your not an asshole. :rofl:
Sorry I could not resist.
Seriously thanks to you and Greg for doing what you do, although I don't agree with most of it. :grin:
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Dont worry Ft Laud, total agreement isn't necessarily a tool of knowledge, in spite of what we might have been taught so many years ago.
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I must agree, this site is excellent.
My brother turned me on to it - called me up one day and said, you have to see this. Then he read me Greg's first post, about riding in his oldcomer's car with a Seed plate in the window and his cigarettes rolled up in his sleeve, tough-guy style...
As I started to read the various posts - I think I eventually read every one (sorry boss!), and I started to get clarity on my experience. Eventually I would talk to Ft. Lauderdale (and oh man, can he talk!) Jgar, and 80's Guy - all people that I thought the world of then and do now. I have PM'ed Wtaylor, and many others, and even had some contact with people from other programs. It's been really cool, to use a Seed-forbidden word.
It's been impossible not to have good memories of laughter, great conversations, and idealism - right along ones of boredom, constricting self-doubt, and of agonizingly leaving. I still read the pro-Seed vs. anti-Seed debate, wondering why people need to 'convert' others - just say Uncle - you know I'm right! - with wonder. I enjoy most the respectful posts, of which there are many, where people are really open to others and their own reality. I find some snarky ones fun, though, too.
So. Thank god for Ginger's enormous anger, that fuels this site and also her advocacy for reform and man, there are some terrible teen programs out there, Seed or not. And for Greg's charming posts - jeezus man stop talking about your wet dreams already! But serously, he does find a balance and maintains this forum well. Good work. Five years. Wow.
Back on the front row, everyone!
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Add my thanks to Greg & Ginger too. Before I found this forum I thought I had resolved all of my seed-related issues. The sleepless night I spent after reading here for the first time made me realize that this wasn't completely true. I think there's a middle ground between 'Get over it and stop whining!" and endlessly blaming all of our problems on the time we spent at the seed. Thanks to all (pro, con and in-between) for helping me better understand.
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Instead of thanking Ginger and I, I think the accolades go to all the participants who come here and expose their longly held beliefs up to examination, and also to those that impart bits of the story here and there that were missing.
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Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"
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I guess we all are, kinda. :grin:
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On 2006-01-03 13:11:00, Ft. Lauderdale wrote:
"I guess we all are, kinda. :grin: "
I think I get that..
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I guess I just want to add my thanks too. And I would echo Marshall's sentiment. I thought I was entirely over the Seed, but then I found this bulletin board and it gave me something I needed, which I didn't even realize I needed.
So thanks a million, Greg, for your compassionate and inclusive moderating, and for founding this forum.
Thanks a million, Ginger,for the gift of the forum, and for all your work on the issue of teen mind control programs, and for your shrewd insight, your impeccable and extensive research, and your general spunkiness.
Thanks everybody who posts here and who agrees with me that the Seed was an evil putrid bloodsucking brainfucking self-aggrandizing teen abuse cult from post-60s cultural backlash hell.
As to those who see it otherwise . . . ah, you'll come around eventually. I know you'll all be fornits forum success stories by and by. So thank you too.
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On 2006-01-04 17:23:00, marcwordsmith wrote:
As to those who see it otherwise . . . ah, you'll come around eventually. I know you'll all be fornits forum success stories by and by. So thank you too.
:rofl: Well ya' know, it works if ya' work it!I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
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That's right, Ginger.
Cry UNCLE, Walter!!
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On 2006-01-04 17:29:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2006-01-04 17:23:00, marcwordsmith wrote:
As to those who see it otherwise . . . ah, you'll come around eventually. I know you'll all be fornits forum success stories by and by. So thank you too.
:rofl: Well ya' know, it works if ya' work it
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God, thats the funniest thing I think you have ever posted Ginger.
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As Art used to say, "If you walk in the middle of the road, you'll damn sure get run over." I suppose that was to help us justify turning everything over to the Seed. Guess what - I often find in life that I am in the middle of the road, and I do get run over, but I find it preferable to taking one extreme position over another. So, no Uncle to either side!
...and that is the funniest thing you ever wrote, Ginger...
But hmm...
Maybe this Fornits site IS an insidious cult, disguised as a harmless discussion board for former Seedlings...and gradually, increasing demands will be made on my time and energy, and I will be asked to make a heartfelt commitment...and confess my doubts about myself and then cry in public...and soon I will have to pledge allegience to Ginger as my as my Higher Power and check everything out with Greg as senior staff...
AND THEN I WILL HAVE A WHOLE NEW CULT TO WORRY ABOUT!
Oh God I just woke up! Thank God it was only a dream..or a nightmare, depending on your perspective!
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Be Carefull Walt don't give Greg any reason for another wet dream :grin:
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On 2006-01-05 10:12:00, cleveland wrote:
Maybe this Fornits site IS an insidious cult, disguised as a harmless discussion board for former Seedlings...and gradually, increasing demands will be made on my time and energy, and I will be asked to make a heartfelt commitment...and confess my doubts about myself and then cry in public...and soon I will have to pledge allegience to Ginger as my as my Higher Power and check everything out with Greg as senior staff...
Yup, that's it. But, being a freak for efficiency, I just advise my followers to cut to the chase and turn over all your assets to me. That way, we skip the mental and emotional turmoil and I still get wealthy. Plus it's low demand for me, as I don't have to go to the trouble of seeking all your weak spots and tearing up your tender bits to bring it about.
So, ya in? You'd be well off in this cult. Being the first member to fully commit, you'd be getting in on the ground floor and have your spot secured as top dog.for nothing can keep it right but their own vigilant and distrustful superintendence.
--Thomas Jefferson
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checks in the mail o'godess o' mine.
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Ok, 2nd in command (after me, of course!) Snooze ya lose, Walter! Time's a wastin!
Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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I want to express my appreciation for this forum as well; I also found that there were issues buried from my time at the seed that have been addressed, touched or re irritated by reading postings of the past 5 years; This has been very theraputic and addicting.
I appreciate this opportunity to access the black hole that I left behind way back when - and deal with the baggage.
Thanks to everyone on all sides of the discussion (and those in the middle)
Johnny G
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If only I had known about this site back then I could be so much farther ahead with my healing. The last employer I outlived(natural causes) was proffesor emeritus of the psychiatry department at Harvard. He died several years ago. I wonder how much he could have helped. We were friends and respected each other. I have no doubt he could have shed some light on these dark topics. He certainly would have helped. He was incredably kind and had true compassion for the human condition. As far as I'm concerned and can discern he dedicated his life to helping ease human suffering. He was writing his last book on his death bed. He often said things to me like "being clever is not enough" or "the hardest learned lessons are not the best". His death brought me far more greif than the death of my father. He had been incredably kind to me. Maybe The Great Spirit figures I should only have one helper at a time. Now it's you people. Thanks Greg even if you didn't get to me in time for my last helper in life to meet you.
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I went to CEDU, but I've often enjoyed the discussion over at Seed/Straight. I came to this site over a year ago; it was the first time in 15 years I had ever discussed CEDU and was able to articulate what happened there. Prior to joining this forum, I could not talk about CEDU to civilians because it was one freak show they could never understand, straight out of Twilight Zone. This limited my ability to assess my experience and how it affected me.
Visiting the fora of other cults/TBSs helped me process the experience more fully. It also shocked me to understand how proliferate these programs really are. I recently earned my graduate degree in education, and I am a teacher. I am committed to the well being of all my students. Thus, I feel fortunate to be educated on the dangers of programs dedicated to tearing down the individual spirit.
I know my parents were fooled by a well meaning counselor referred by a well meaning teacher, who never visited the school, but thought the brochure looked lovely. I will never make that mistake.
So, cheers to the anniversary of the Seed and all of the other Fornits fora, and for its wonderful gifts of awareness, discussion, humor, and the camraderie of individuals bonding through like experiences.
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Oh, cool beans, CEDU vet! Please feel free to drop a comment whenever the mood strikes. I'm very curious about other people's take on all of this. Based on what you've read around here, what similarities and differences do you find between CEDU and the Seed?
Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.
--Friedrich Nietzsche
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Oh, one other thing....
Seed fora hot
Seed fora cold
Seed fora in the pot
Five years old!
Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous