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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 10:11:00 PM
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Let's take an informal poll. Let's have the people on this sight vote on how they feel HLA has helped or hurt. Here are the rules:
1. You vote one of two ways: "Helped more than hurt" or "Hurt more than helped"
2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.
3. You have to tell whether or not you actually graduated from HLA.
Obviously, this is incredibly informal and subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy. I just thought it would be fun to see the responses that we get.
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yeh right, as soon as you identify yourself and register a user name.
how do you intend to use this information?
thought it might be a quick way to get a head count? read the threads and keep a tally.
more than the dozen you imagine.
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"LET'S have the people on this sight vote"
"see what responses WE get"
Are you thinking you're at EZBoard, Kathleen? This is fornits. Why not put it up there and leave the responses unedited.
"Here are the rules"
Rules... for a POLL???
"subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy"
Oh, the program rhetoric. Aren't you lying and manipulating? Out from under the bag. Stand in front of your peers and be accountable.
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Hey man, it's an opportunity to put up or shut up. Cut through all the bs and cast your vote one way or the other. Since so many people "hate" HLA I figured you guys would jump at the opportunity to let the numbers speak for themselves.
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Our pollster is just a bit to biased.
Besides why would we need a poll to tell us something we already know?
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On 2005-12-31 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Let's take an informal poll. Let's have the people on this sight vote on how they feel HLA has helped or hurt. Here are the rules:
1. You vote one of two ways: "Helped more than hurt" or "Hurt more than helped"
2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.
3. You have to tell whether or not you actually graduated from HLA.
Obviously, this is incredibly informal and subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy. I just thought it would be fun to see the responses that we get."
You are a dope. Go poll yourself.
P.S. Considering you are supposedly in the job of teaching children, it's a webSITE, not a webSIGHT. Can HLA not find a better representative? This one does a poor job of representing the treatment center.
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Where are the HLA "professionals" when serious questions are asked?
Why has HLA never sponsored a longitudinal study to assess the effectiveness of their program?
Why does HLA rely on anecdotal evidence/"polls" from a few patients served up via a censored website to "prove" their efficacy if indeed their practices hold up to conventional treatment standards?
Why will the HLA staff not engage anyone in real debate about their treatment center?
Why do they avoid meaningful inquiries while baiting and degrading less sophisticated posters?
If you won't answer these simple questions and continue to avoid pertinent questions, then you will continue to be viewed as you currently are: manipulators who avoid accountability.
Again, I'd be glad to debate you over the facts regarding HLA's treatment program or the RTC/TBS modality as a whole. So let's get started by answering the questions posed above as well as the definitive, longitudinal study by the NIH.
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The HLA management staff do not post on this site. What you have here are individual employees, former employees, students and former students. None of the higher management staff have ever posted here. Therefore, they may not be aware of what sort of debate some of you are requesting.
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On 2006-01-01 05:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The HLA management staff do not post on this site. What you have here are individual employees, former employees, students and former students. None of the higher management staff have ever posted here. Therefore, they may not be aware of what sort of debate some of you are requesting."
How could you possibly know this?
Back to the topic. Why won't HLA staff answer the questions posed in the previous posts?
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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#160412 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13078&forum=41&start=40#160412)
ABC123 is the same person as Kathleen. Right down to how they misspell "site" repeatedly as "sight." Pretty lame, Kathleen. Now we have Kathleen, ABC123, Aften, Realworld, SHH and also their "anonymous" posts.>>>
bingo. but i'm not completely convinced yet that it's kathleen. would she say something like this?
2005-12-25 12:14:00
Ahh the maturity on this board is so refreshing. Just the thing I've come to expect from the sort that hang out here.
Merry Fuckin' Christmas
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 360#158725 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12565&forum=41&start=360#158725)
i don't know, maybe she would. let's have a poll. here's the rules. you can only vote for one. due to the nature of the poll it will be subject to crazy manipulation by anon staff members who may try to throw off the numbers.
1) bill gray
2) jarhead- the marine (who hasn't posted with his user name since 12/1, except once on 12/20, when asked if he was still around. kinda fits his mo and agenda.)
3) joe?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 320#158466 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12565&forum=41&start=320#158466)
4) kathleen
5) write in
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#160349 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13257&forum=41&start=0#160349)
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I believe the Merry Fucking Christmas is Mrs. Gray.
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as i have said on another post, yall suck and need to get on with ur life. yeah we all know that hla sucked while we were there, yeah it might be a bad school and yeah we dont wish it apon others, but so fuckin what how can yall constantly bitch and moan. shit give up allready
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Give up what?
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On 2006-01-01 18:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Give up what?"
Put two and two together genius! What the fuck do you think I'm talking about? Dumb ass!
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as i have said on another post, yall suck and need to get on with ur life. yeah we all know that hla sucked while we were there, yeah it might be a bad school and yeah we dont wish it apon others, but so fuckin what how can yall constantly bitch and moan. shit give up allready>>>
and kutch had to drop in to bitch and moan about others bitchin and moaning.
give up? is that attitude appropriate for a marine?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#143251 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11382&forum=41&start=100#143251)
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2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.
ironic statement of the year! :lol:
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On 2006-01-01 19:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-01 18:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Give up what?"
Put two and two together genius! What the fuck do you think I'm talking about? Dumb ass!"
Better yet why dont you give up on being a marine. Youre to stupid to make it anyway so why bother?
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an anon just posted the poll on the hla ezboard site:
Anon
Unregistered User
(1/2/06 3:24 pm)
Reply hey
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Let's take an informal poll. Let's have the people on this sight vote on how they feel HLA has helped or hurt. Here are the rules:
1. You vote one of two ways: "Helped more than hurt" or "Hurt more than helped"
2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.
3. You have to tell whether or not you actually graduated from HLA.
Obviously, this is incredibly informal and subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy. I just thought it would be fun to see the responses that we get.
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On 2006-01-02 13:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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an anon just posted the poll on the hla ezboard site:
Anon
Unregistered User
(1/2/06 3:24 pm)
Reply hey
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Let's take an informal poll. Let's have the people on this sight vote on how they feel HLA has helped or hurt. Here are the rules:
1. You vote one of two ways: "Helped more than hurt" or "Hurt more than helped"
2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.
3. You have to tell whether or not you actually graduated from HLA.
Obviously, this is incredibly informal and subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy. I just thought it would be fun to see the responses that we get.
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This is Kathleen. She makes the same spelling errors over and over again. Very easy to spot.
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On 2006-01-02 01:52:00, mxkutch wrote:
"that wasnt me you dick i post under my real name unlike a lot of cowards. so go fuck yourselfs
sincerely,
max kutch
pg 71
i dont bitch and moan like the rest of you assholes"
I like this dude!! :tup:
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That's because he uses your favorite word Short Bus. And of course we all know why its your favorite word........
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On 2006-01-02 16:53:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"That's because he uses your favorite word Short Bus. And of course we all know why its your favorite word........"
This is my second day on this lousy ass board, who the hell is short bus? You seem like a loser Robertb
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On 2006-01-02 17:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-02 16:53:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"That's because he uses your favorite word Short Bus. And of course we all know why its your favorite word........"
This is my second day on this lousy ass board, who the hell is short bus? You seem like a loser Robertb"
I'm sure thats the case Short Bus, anything you say. I had no idea you were quite so...Norman Bates. Let me ask you did this personality attend HLA?
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On 2006-01-01 05:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Where are the HLA "professionals" when serious questions are asked?
Why has HLA never sponsored a longitudinal study to assess the effectiveness of their program?
Why does HLA rely on anecdotal evidence/"polls" from a few patients served up via a censored website to "prove" their efficacy if indeed their practices hold up to conventional treatment standards?
Why will the HLA staff not engage anyone in real debate about their treatment center?
Why do they avoid meaningful inquiries while baiting and degrading less sophisticated posters?
If you won't answer these simple questions and continue to avoid pertinent questions, then you will continue to be viewed as you currently are: manipulators who avoid accountability.
Again, I'd be glad to debate you over the facts regarding HLA's treatment program or the RTC/TBS modality as a whole. So let's get started by answering the questions posed above as well as the definitive, longitudinal study by the NIH."
still waiting for intelligent responses to the meaningful questions.
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Its unlikely you'll ever get any answers.
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You should post them on the EZ board for Kathleen to evade.
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http://www.discusshla.com/ (http://www.discusshla.com/)
only 94 total posts on this site. over 70 are from staff. the rest are from about 6 different kids.
what a success! :roll:
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totally funny was, McMillion saying:
I sincerely hope to see posts from many of you in the near future. I truly enjoy this site and get very excited when I see posts from former students.
at that time, two alumni had posted. :roll:
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On 2006-01-03 15:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.discusshla.com/
only 94 total posts on this site. over 70 are from staff. the rest are from about 6 different kids.
what a success! :roll: "
I don't know why I am surprised by the lies, but here are the facts from a quick look at the web site"
Total Posts: Apx. 67
Staff posts: 38
Students posts: 29
Number of different students: 15
I don't understand why you are worried about this site. It is a different forum. Believe it or not, some people do not want to spend their days bitching about HLA. The site has been advertised on a large scale for just a few weeks. Many former students and staff are excited about it.
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I would still love to see a list of the people who are on the fornits site after a year. Not many. It is mainly the same tire old people over and over again.
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On 2006-01-04 05:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-03 15:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://www.discusshla.com/
only 94 total posts on this site. over 70 are from staff. the rest are from about 6 different kids.
what a success! :roll: "
I don't know why I am surprised by the lies, but here are the facts from a quick look at the web site"
Total Posts: Apx. 67
Staff posts: 38
Students posts: 29
Number of different students: 15
I don't understand why you are worried about this site. It is a different forum. Believe it or not, some people do not want to spend their days bitching about HLA. The site has been advertised on a large scale for just a few weeks. Many former students and staff are excited about it."
Whatever, Kathleen. Your disinformation campaign only works on the hoodwinked parents and your patients. I mean, you'll lie about anything, even that which can be proven a lie from information you yourself have provided.
Again, not quite accurate information from another lying staff member. I took a "quick look" at the site and here is a copy-paste of the data:
"Founded: August 4, 2004 Daily Posts: 2 Total Posts: 94"
This data is from today. Not sure if you can read, just love to lie or if you're getting high, but you sure can't report facts.
You people are well-versed in the art of missing the point...
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On 2006-01-03 04:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-01 05:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Where are the HLA "professionals" when serious questions are asked?
Why has HLA never sponsored a longitudinal study to assess the effectiveness of their program?
Why does HLA rely on anecdotal evidence/"polls" from a few patients served up via a censored website to "prove" their efficacy if indeed their practices hold up to conventional treatment standards?
Why will the HLA staff not engage anyone in real debate about their treatment center?
Why do they avoid meaningful inquiries while baiting and degrading less sophisticated posters?
If you won't answer these simple questions and continue to avoid pertinent questions, then you will continue to be viewed as you currently are: manipulators who avoid accountability.
Again, I'd be glad to debate you over the facts regarding HLA's treatment program or the RTC/TBS modality as a whole. So let's get started by answering the questions posed above as well as the definitive, longitudinal study by the NIH."
still waiting for intelligent responses to the meaningful questions."
While you're on here arguing meaningless tangential points, why won't you answer these questions?
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Not Kathleen. I went through each strain and counted the posts. There are not 94 showing.
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On 2006-01-04 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not Kathleen. I went through each strain and counted the posts. There are not 94 showing."
Also, the "point" is that there are a great deal more students choosing to be a part of this site than you would lead people to believe.
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On 2006-01-04 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not Kathleen. I went through each strain and counted the posts. There are not 94 showing."
look at the counter on the front page, dummy. apparently you can't count so good.
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On 2006-01-04 05:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I would still love to see a list of the people who are on the fornits site after a year. Not many. It is mainly the same tire old people over and over again."
Still waiting on your list as well. Until then the point stands there are only two or three pro HLA people on here.
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On 2006-01-04 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-04 07:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not Kathleen. I went through each strain and counted the posts. There are not 94 showing."
Also, the "point" is that there are a great deal more students choosing to be a part of this site than you would lead people to believe."
no, the "point" is that you aggressively pursued all of us to be part of the site and you only got a couple of takers to post. the VAST majority of those who attended hla want ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with hla or any of its phony marketing materials like your lame message board.
i'll take you up on your invitation to post on the board if you'll let me tell it how it really is: unhelpful, grossly overpriced for poor services, behavior modification program, forced labor, forced confessions, creepy staff who like to come on to kids, sex between kids, sex between staff and kids, staff members trading drugs for clothes or favors, open-ended enrollment that can last for many years, unqualified staff still working there after admitting to having sex with kids.
why don't you allow anyone to say ANYTHING AT ALL that's negative? do you really think that any person with any sense believes there are NO dissenting opinions from the ones posted? why do you censor communication if your board is supposed to be an "open window"? why do you take down posts from people who think you damaged them or treated them shabbily? why do you send lawyers after anyone who speaks their mind?
can i post these facts on your board?
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On 2006-01-04 10:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
i'll take you up on your invitation to post on the board if you'll let me tell it how it really is: unhelpful, grossly overpriced for poor services, behavior modification program, forced labor, forced confessions, creepy staff who like to come on to kids, sex between kids, sex between staff and kids, staff members trading drugs for clothes or favors, open-ended enrollment that can last for many years, unqualified staff still working there after admitting to having sex with kids.
why don't you allow anyone to say ANYTHING AT ALL that's negative? do you really think that any person with any sense believes there are NO dissenting opinions from the ones posted? why do you censor communication if your board is supposed to be an "open window"? why do you take down posts from people who think you damaged them or treated them shabbily? why do you send lawyers after anyone who speaks their mind?
can i post these facts on your board?"
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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Topic Replies Last Comment Started By
Alumni Testimonials 0 10/13/05 3:11 pm HLAWebmaster
Dear New HLA parents 0 10/13/05 3:10 pm HLAWebmaster
Some past Testimonials 0 10/13/05 3:09 pm HLAWebmaster
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Looking REALLY BUSY there, buddy. 3 months and not a single "testimonial" posted whatsoever.
The only responses you got were from people like me who think your program sucks. You removed those. Now there's none.
I can see there are droves of former students jockeying for position to get their posts up...NOT.
Way to provide an open window. REAL HONEST of you to delete the only posts you're getting - the ones that say you suck and so does your program. :roll:
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well, kathleen took down the poll (she?) posted here, which the anon then posted on the hla discussion board. and had this comment to make:
kmfh10
Website Moderator
Posts: 21
(1/5/06 11:49 am)
Reply an open window with real names
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We have set the ground rules for this site...and have very clearly stated those rules.....that being, this is meant to be a discussion board using real names...registering as "anonymous" hardly qualifies as a real name.... The staff and students that have come into this discussion board are using their real names and not hiding behind a curtain of shadows. Many of the staff and students that are coming on our site are now being subjected to personal abuse, based on totally untrue remarks in a very negative Forum.
[personal abuse?]
We will not open this Forum to copy-cat emails from a site that evolves, thrives and functions strictly on HLA negative bashing. This negative Forum's basic core is based on partial facts, slanted negatively to complete untruths. We would ask that you keep that type of rhetoric on that Forum.
This Discussion Board has been in the works for a long time and was started to give our former and current students, staff and parents a chance to reconnect with the friends that they have lost touch with over the years.
Moderated...yes, most definitely if that helps to keep this Forum to what it was intended to be...a place where staff, students and parents could reconnect in the spirit of true caring and friendship that they feel. Vulgar language, untruths and wishing to express a personal misguided agenda just doesn't have a place on this board, and as you mature and grow in wisdom you will discover....it doesn't have a place in life in general.
[vulgar language? untruths? misguided agenda? describes hla!]
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Yes, we know you set the groundrules, but you made a mistake in describing them. Let me synopsize for you:
"Say what I want you to say, or I will delete your comments."
Aren't those the REAL RULES? :roll:
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She calls rules, rules, and not 'agreements.
Gotta give her that one.