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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: sammiegirl on December 28, 2005, 05:24:00 PM
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Mel and Miller.
GOTCHA!!!!!!!
PARENT WEEKEND!!!
PARENT RAP!!!
GLORYA AND JIM?
GOTCHA AND NOW EVERY ONE WILL SEE THE SCUM YOU REALY ARE.
DIDNT THINK ANY ONE TOOK PHOTOS DID YOU?
I CANT WAIT TO GET THEM TO DISK AND POST THIS SHIT YOU ARE REAL SCUM!!!!
HEY MILLER!!
GLORYA SAYS HELLO (NOT REALY BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN)
OH I FEEL GOOD TODAY!!![ This Message was edited by: sammiegirl on 2005-12-28 20:40 ]
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Just so you know I just opened the fed ex package about an hour ago.
Thank you fed ex and thank you MRS CA*()%NO&^%
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Ok Sammie. This isn't fair. Now you've got us all on the edge of our seats. :smile: Can ya shed any light on this or do we have to wait for the pics? I'd love to know what went on in those parent weekends but alas, dad and I don't communicate anymore and mom can't seem to talk about it, she just cries and apologizes to me over and over again.
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kkkkkkkkkkkk
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Cool! Can't wait for this to play itself out. If your atty gives the OK to display them, have 'em blown up REALLY big for the vigil.
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I have a meeting tomorrow AM So after that Ill know when I can post them.
Hey maybe Ill sell them on EBAYHands that help are far better then lips that pray.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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kewl.
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I'll buy some if they're legitimate. And you should think about selling them like you said, to a high bidder. Melvin Sembler is in Saint Pete now isn't he? He is accessible. Send him some of the photos in black and white, let him know they are copies and offer to let him buy them. But tell him they're for sale at around 500 million or so; grant money for survivors.
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Why the fuck would i want to look at pictures of that fucking flabby old kike? Fuck off.
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Sembler~mazel tov
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On 2005-12-29 01:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'll buy some if they're legitimate. And you should think about selling them like you said, to a high bidder. Melvin Sembler is in Saint Pete now isn't he? He is accessible. Send him some of the photos in black and white, let him know they are copies and offer to let him buy them. But tell him they're for sale at around 500 million or so; grant money for survivors."
No, dunderhead. That would be blackmail and would prevent the photos from going public. I'd like to see the photos in print somewhere. Maybe the SPX?
You can charge for lincensing w/o selling the rights. And you can turn a buck at T-Shirts, coffee mugs and such. Why the hell not?I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.
-- A. Whitney Brown
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Oh yeah, I'd love to see a snap shot of Melvin and Betty Sembler participating in a hands on way in a parent rap above the fold of the SPX. The accompanying article could be just a few interviews w/ some of the other rents who were there describing just wtf was going on.
That would be worth sending off for a back copy to frame on my wall.Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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why don't you put your time and energy into something postive and useful. photos and protesting of Semblers is simple revenge shit. you aren't helping ANY kids that way.
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Anyone care for a tawdry photo-op--about a photo? We aren't allowed to see it yet, but we should begin baaing at the news of its existence while delighting in its kitchy marketability.
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Look, Melvin and Betty Sembler and their cohorts make policy regarding your kids' education, domestic and foreign drug policy and activity, your workplace piss testing program and the insurance you pay for.
When you've got some joker breaking into your house or having stolen your hard earned goods and you can't find a cop to take a report and the DA is too busy to pursue it, it's BECAUSE these fucking lunatics have talked us all into spending all of our resources checking glove boxes and school kids' lockers for evidence of certain drugs that they don't sell.
In order to keep the credibility and clout they need to weild that kind of sway over your life, they lie a LOT! This is one of those most salient lies. In all of their public bios, they BRAG about their eyebrow-deep involvement in Straight. Ask them about all of the many abuses, investigations, lawsuits, journalistic investigations, suicides and all the rest, and what do these slimy fish say? They'll tell you, with a straight face, that they had NO idea any of that was going on. They were just front men, just charity workers, never go their hands dirty.
Bull Fucking Shit! They were in it, reveling in it, up to their fucking eyebrows! If there's photographic evidence? Let's all have a look.
My primary objective hasn't changed. I wan't these pathetic welfare mamas' authority, credibility and, most of all, public funding and influence cut off. I am not looking to collect money or punish anyone for their involvement with straight. I'm looking to change this mutherfucking world.
Reagan Youth
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On 2005-12-29 20:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anyone care for a tawdry photo-op--about a photo?
Oh no, I don't think you understant what we're talking about. We're not talking about a photo of Mel Sembler up to his schwartz in 13yo pussy. We're talking about a photo of Mel Sembler up to his lobido in humiliating parents in parents' rap. He'd be proud as hell if it came out from his own publicist, in the context of glorifying words, stroking his unfounded ego. But in the context of a court proceeding where he's sworn, under oath, that he had no idea what was going on in those raps? Well, I would think that might give his supporters, business partners, political cronnies and neighbors pause to reflect.
This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!
Adolph Hitler
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If anyone has photos like they say they have, you should send them to Bradbury's attorney and they will ask Mel under oath about them and use them as exhibits, Ginger can give you the contact info
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We're talking about a photo of Mel Sembler up to his lobido in humiliating parents in parents' rap.
Did he claim that he had no knowledge of what went on in group, or that he had no knowledge of the abuse that occurred in group? If it's the latter, a photo of him schmoozing with parents will accomplish very little. Of course, we don't know what the photo shows yet.
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i saw mel at str8 2 times...in fact he and his wife DID an introduction!i even think his son came in and did his too...not to sure...hippie564
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Wine is fine but whisky's quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor
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contact Ginger and she can give you Tom's fax number, or address to send those pictures to so Mel can be asked under oath about it
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On 2005-12-30 16:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"contact Ginger and she can give you Tom's fax number, or address to send those pictures to so Mel can be asked under oath about it"
Yeah, that or look him up. He's a lawyer, for gosh sakes. He's listed.When we contemplate the whole globe as one great dewdrop, striped and dotted with continents and islands, flying through space with all other stars all singing and shining together as one, the whole universe appears as an infinite storm of beauty.
-- John Muir
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On 2005-12-30 15:41:00, PhasedOut wrote:
Did he claim that he had no knowledge of what went on in group, or that he had no knowledge of the abuse that occurred in group? If it's the latter, a photo of him schmoozing with parents will accomplish very little. Of course, we don't know what the photo shows yet. "
Yeah, well I haven't seen the photos either. But, if this pans out, it's just one more little piece in the puzzle.
Do you understand that the whole program, as designed, is extremely abusive?
I believe Mel and Betty had newcomers in their home when their son, Brent, was in the Seed. And I believe they continued to take in phasers and newcomers after they founded Straight inc. I don't know this to be true. But I'm reasonably certain of it and hoping for a few ppl who can swear to it will contact interested journalists, lawyers and others.
Come on, connect the dots! One of the frequent violations was false imprisonment. Do you understand that nobody but an on duty law enforcement officer ever had a right to physically detain you? Those locked doors and nailed shut windows were not only dunderheaded from a fire safety point of view, but pattently illegal as well.
Have you ever seen a newcomer just walk out the door? No? Me neither. Plenty off accounts of newcomers making a dash for it, sometimes getting away, but more often getting creamed by half a dozen guys. Do you think that's legal? Do you think it's even remotely possible that Mel and Betty were blithely unaware of this practice for the 17 fucking years they ran the place, plus the couple of years prior when they were entheusiastic Seed parents? I don't buy it.
Oh, and so many more.
I think Mel and Betty were the driving force, the meanest edge in the Program. They took an already messed up concept from the Seed and ratchetted it up a good many notches.
A photo of them in parent weekend along w/ descriptions from other people who were there about the content and generall proceedure of these parent weekends would be just one more li'll piece of the puzzle. Not quite as good as a few credible wittnesses willing and able to testify to conditions and practices in the Sembler foster home, of course. But still sort of nice.
I understand there's even a better one in the mix, too. Nowhere near as legally potent. But, if it pans out, I know that just about everyone who's ever made Virgil's acquaintence will get a big charge out of it.
... and the group leader was a clown.
GregFL
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Do you understand that the whole program, as designed, is extremely abusive?
I won't respond to this, as I have ten months of experience in this area. I was curious what Mr. Sembler has claimed under oath so far. Many people have a view of tough love as something harsh and controversial, but do not see it as abuse. We know they are wrong. But what has the head of torture claimed? Did he deny any knowledge of the program's methods, or just no knowledge of what even the tough love people might consider abuse?
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Oh, here ya go
http://www.thestraights.com/legal/bradb ... -28-p1.htm (http://www.thestraights.com/legal/bradbury-sued-5-01-03/melsaffidavit-09-28-p1.htm)
Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798
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Whoa! Here's a bunch more, too:
http://www.thestraights.com/legal/bradb ... d-5-01-03/ (http://www.thestraights.com/legal/bradbury-sued-5-01-03/)
I didn't even know there had been this much paper generated in this case already. Time flies...Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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On 2005-12-30 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Do you understand that the whole program, as designed, is extremely abusive?
I won't respond to this, as I have ten months of experience in this area.
What does this mean? Could you elaborate?
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On 2005-12-30 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wine is fine but whisky's quicker
Suicide is slow with liquor"
Ahhhh memories
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What does this mean? Could you elaborate?
Ten months on a church pew, rotting on first phase. Our program didn't have the comfortable blue chairs. Is that sufficient for you? Or would you like more?
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On 2005-12-30 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ten months on a church pew, rotting on first phase. Our program didn't have the comfortable blue chairs. Is that sufficient for you? Or would you like more?
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Well bully for you sweetcheeks. :lol: Why so snippy? A lot of us spent a lot longer than 10 months on those blue chairs and they were anything but comfortable. I've got the back problems and smashed, broken fingers to prove it.
Settle down little one, settle down.
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Settle down little one, settle down.
I'd say the phrase "could you elaborate" is meant to invite a response less than civil, although you're lucky with what you got. Maybe some people got crucified while others simply got slapped around. The whole pain gauge equation is the sickest idea a person can posit in this arena, so I shouldn't have started on the pews or the ten months.
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On 2005-12-30 18:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
I'd say the phrase "could you elaborate" is meant to invite a response less than civil,
You could say it, but you'd be wrong.
although you're lucky with what you got.
Whew! Praise Jesus cause I was really smartin' by what you wrote. :roll:
The whole pain gauge equation is the sickest idea a person can posit in this arena, so I shouldn't have started on the pews or the ten months.
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BINGO!
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BINGO!
Count yourself in with your smashed broken fingers and back problems. You really suffered there, partner. I'm in awe. I really should stop thinking my time was anything more than a visit to the Betty Ford Clinic.
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Look hon, you brought it up. I posted what I did in response to your glib little comment about the "comfortable blue chairs". No one said you had it easy yet you felt completely comfortable insinuating that about others. Hmm.
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Look hon, you brought it up. I posted what I did in response to your glib little comment about the "comfortable blue chairs". No one said you had it easy yet you felt completely comfortable insinuating that about others. Hmm.
I'm willing to admit my mistakes with language, and "comfortable blue chairs" was a poor choice of words written in anger. But your trite, condescending witticisms are enough to see any person struggling in rage to articulate the simplest ideas. So I?m pleading partial insanity on this one.
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Please tell me where I was condescending to you at all in my original post to you. I asked you to elaborate on a statement you made and YOU responded with a post dripping with condescension.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#160108 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13211&forum=7&start=20#160108)
On 2005-12-30 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
" What does this mean? Could you elaborate?
Ten months on a church pew, rotting on first phase. Our program didn't have the comfortable blue chairs. Is that sufficient for you? Or would you like more?
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In addition to that when Ginger asked a question of you, you also responded with the same smarminess.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#160096 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13211&forum=7&start=20#160096)
On 2005-12-30 17:13:00,
Anonymous wrote: " Do you understand that the whole program, as designed, is extremely abusive?
I won't respond to this, as I have ten months of experience in this area.
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Honestly, I think ya took me the wrong way, or I said it wrong. I wasn't pissed or insinuating any sort of injury or indignation or anything. B'lieve it or not, some people honest to God don't get that very basic, simple point. They think the program is overall a good thing, if only they could figure out how to prevent the constantly recurring more overt and provable types of abuses. I was asking non rhetorically. I probably should have phrased the question a bit more friendly like.
But... did you read that affidavit? Can you frigging believe that sanctimonious SOB would string together those words in a sworn statement?
And do you think it's relavent and useful, assuming the photos exist and are as represented, to maybe try and get them into his local home town paper?
On 2005-12-30 19:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Please tell me where I was condescending to you at all in my original post to you. I asked you to elaborate on a statement you made and YOU responded with a post dripping with condescension.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#160108 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13211&forum=7&start=20#160108)
On 2005-12-30 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
" What does this mean? Could you elaborate?
Ten months on a church pew, rotting on first phase. Our program didn't have the comfortable blue chairs. Is that sufficient for you? Or would you like more?
"
In addition to that when Ginger asked a question of you, you also responded with the same smarminess.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#160096 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13211&forum=7&start=20#160096)
On 2005-12-30 17:13:00,
Anonymous wrote: " Do you understand that the whole program, as designed, is extremely abusive?
I won't respond to this, as I have ten months of experience in this area.
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so long as the priest, that professional negator, slanderer and poisoner of life, is regarded as a superior type of human being, there cannot be any answer to the question: What is truth?
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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I'm becoming what I despise on this and all other Internet forums: a waster of the written word for the sake of wasting it, because it can be wasted, because everything is publishable now and nothing is without its audience somewhere, however worthless or inept. Lord, does it bring out an ugly instinct in me. I need a bath after every visit.
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Dear "phased out",
Relax I was in the church pew too! These people in here went through straight as you and I went through KHK....They had blue chairs and we had hard wooden benches that made our butts go numb.
Truth is both programs were emotionally damaging and designed to be that way. Straight was before khk started, and khk soon followed suit, so to speak.
Truth is noone can truly compare anyones "personal hell" that is why it is personal.
Unfortunately, we all have our own deomons that may or may not bite us in the butts at a moments notice. Mine lately has been depression. Ye will see that if ye check out the depression cumulative stress thread I started b/c I could barely take it anymore.
The arguing on here may or may not help I guess depending upon how ye use the forum as a "tool" of whatever ones use is for it.
Truth as I know it around here though is most survivors I have met on here are nice and willing to help ye out of this brainwashing web if they can at the time. I myself have been trying to climb out of the web for 16 years...I have had some successes with it and some regressions.
I hope the fighting may stop on here though b/c I don't think it solves anything really.....
This is for all of us ..including me not just "phased out"
love and hope to ye all!
sincerely,
-DPFear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Look if you want to burn Mel's ass real good send your proof, (photos, documents) to Bradbury's attorney i assure you they will burn Mel's ass!!!!