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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 21, 2005, 02:54:00 AM
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(before marriage her name was: KIMBERLY ANN STEMM)
Husband's Name: m0re110, Jeffery L
9101 Bay St NE
Saint Petersburg, FL 33702-3259
(727) 579-8478.
Kimberly posts on Fornits and Survivor forums as Cayo Hueso, and she is also known for slandering people and their opinions by not 'logging in' or by not identifying herself.
Kim is also a Pro Straight person who believes in child abuse. She hangs out with people and knows people the likes of Richard Bradbury, Michael Sherman, Marti Heath, Ginger Warbis, Wesley Fager, and many more people who DO NOT believe that what happened to children at Straight was child abuse or child crime.
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sorry, their last name is m0re110.
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KIM M O R E L L O is her full name. Admins say they don't monitor and edit posts and use their computers to handle trolls like Kimberly and Mike and the rest of the faggots who post here for Straight Inc., but just look at the regular typed spelling of Kim's last name, and how I had to space the letters in order to get an unregistered pedophiles name on this forum.
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I'll be posting more names and home addresses on here frequently of folks who are not real with anyone about being Pro Straight. I'll give you their home addresses, especially those who come on here and slander others so much about being anti Straight, and more so those who have lied to survivors of Straight and continued the abuses into adulthood. These pedophiles must answer for their crimes.
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And their phone numbers as well, so you can call them if you remotely suspect them of being Pro Straight or that they slander you on here.
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Dear God, please get back on your meds, PLEASE! Or, better yet? Know who else isn't going to make a lawsuit against Straight happen? The Reverend Moon. Why don't you go and hassle the Reverend Moon for failing to make a legal miracle happen?
Or, better yet, show us all how easy it is. Go ahead. Shop the case around every lawyer in the country and see if any of them can find a way to turn a buck at it. Seriously. Do it. I'd love to see it happen. It would help bring light and attention to the issue.
Just please quit blaming all of us for failing to live up to your delusional expectations.
That's a request. Here's a warning.
One of these days, some troll target or other is actually going to be so offended or frightened that they press me for info on you crazy bastards. I would take a stand for some kid who's getting slapped for trying to get the word out on actual child abusers. But if you think I'm going to take a hit and expose the entire server to liability in defense of this shit? Bruthuh, you're even more fucking nuts than I ever thought. Forgive, O Lord, my little joke on Thee and I'll forgive Thy great big one on me.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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You were asked to monitor and edit this site not just for your friends and for what you want or don't want on here, but for every survivor. You were given Plenty and more than enuff suggestions to do so. You edit what you choose to edit and find the rest a game.
I am not threatened or scared by warnings. If you don't like it, then please ban me. I have seen countless survivors ask that this site be edited. We will not go make another site, this one will do just fine. If you want to allow survivors to slander and kick the shit, you truly seem to enjoy watching the drama here, out of each other without relying on responsive or identifiable posts, that's fine by many who post here and we all keep blowing off steam at the end of the day, and its fine by me, too. I like ragging on pedophiles.
And another thing, there are no meds that will let me think that Richard isn't a fraud, or that Marti isn't a liar, or that Mike isn't bullshitting everyone, or that you don't know these people and are openly advocating their lies by allowing them not to post their full names on here whenever they post. Extreme? Yeah. But so is allowing survivors to be endlessly barraged by all the advice of grow up, move on, get a life, you are wrong, cursing, and so on and you know what I'm talking about. But I've seen posts where you simply call this dark humor. Fine by me. It will continue.
You wouldn't mind if I post your real name, current home address and phone number would you Ag., or anyone else responsible for fucking up survivor posts would you ?
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So I will be calling you Ginger to "press" you for information on this troll. I for one can afford to take on this issue. :wave:
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Keep up the posts, you're digging the hole deeper.
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Ok, fine, fuck yourself. What do I care?
There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington
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On 2005-12-21 07:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
You were asked to monitor and edit this site not just for your friends and for what you want or don't want on here, but for every survivor. You were given Plenty and more than enuff suggestions to do so. You edit what you choose to edit and find the rest a game.
You dumb mother fucker. I still don't edit content for my friends or against perceived enemies. I've tried, for a couple of years now, to give you (and a few others) due consideration (and more) till you chill the fuck out and quit frightening people. I give up. If you're that determined to draw a real life response I'm done trying to talk anybody out of it. Now you're bringing in spouses and children? Do you understand .... never mind, some people learn by doing, I guess.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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Ginger, man, you crack me up. Nevermind that I am not afraid of your warnings and your extra time to post threats and posts replying to your own posts...
I just don't like being lied to. Neither do you. So, do what others have asked you to do and start editing slander, abuse, and lies. Stop pretending like you haven't been given the means and specific definitions of what that means. It's been going on since the inception of this forum. When someone asks you to edit a post you just do it and stop gawking and squawking.
People think it bugs me or something to look at pixels and words on a computer. That words like "warning" and police and sue and kill and other shit can somehow get a rise out of me; no, but you are right that all of this bullshit really does make this forum look silly. On that we are in full agreement.
I will continue to post addresses on here, you have to sleep sometime. You won't listen when people ask, you listen less when pushed so you just don't listen at all. So as of this post I am assuming that you just don't ever listen even to your friends. I'm going to post addresses of pedophiels and Pro Straightlings on here and there isn't one single solitary fucking thing you can do about it except learn to listen. You take 'em off, I'll post em again.
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i have to admit that i like this guys style, you should use all of that energy to go to law school in your spare time dude. be a journalist and cry first ammendment stuff all the time. you would kick ass at it
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On 2005-12-22 05:47:00, dragonfly wrote:
Hey ginger, what do you know about reverend moon? The moonies had a lot in common with us you know, I have often wondered if there was some connection somewhere along the way, I think they were also based in St. Pete?
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Well, I don't know that much. Wes has got some stuff on his site about them. And our new friend, John Gorenfeld was the intrepid reporter who scooped the coronation story not too long ago. I do know that they own the Washington Times and a lot of media assets in So. America. And that Alaskan bridge to nowhere thing is suspiciouly like a Moon project.
But yeah, basically, I think the Unification Church is yet another maniacle totalitarian scheme for which many hundreds of thousands of people have fallen. And, evidently, they've got some serious sway w/ the Büsh Dynasty.
What do you know about them?The people's right to change what does not work is one of the greatest
principles in our system of government
--Richard M. Nixon
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hey antigen-why did you start this site?
Ps- cosider me a latecomer...ha ha
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Brian, nobody likes being lied to (except when it's "Oh, you haven't changed a bit!" of "Wow, you're 40? You don't look a day over 32" kinda lies)
But, if you're going to come out of your cave and deal in the world with human beings, you'd better get used to it. People sometimes don't tell the truth. Sometimes when people don't tell the truth, they're not lying. Sometimes they just remember things somewhat differently than others. Ask any journalist, cop or other type of investigator and they'll tell you that. Interview 100 people who all wittnessed the same event and you'll get 100 or more subtly different tellings.
Despite your fantasies, I actually don't have time to follow every post on these forums, research the stories told, determine what is and is not true and then censor it all to your liking. Even if I did that, it's unlikely as hell that you and I would ever come to 100% agreement on that. So you'd still be throwing childish fits, insisting that I'm in on some grand conspiracy or some such shit.
If I were to delete everything defamatory, then NOTHING of the truth about the Program would be left. It's all defamatory. Much of it is true, but do you have the time and money to put every detail to a legal challenge? Come on, money bags! Put your money where your mouth is!
I thought not.
Look, you lie all the damned time on these here forums. You know damned well that none of us are pedophiles or pro straight. Well, maybe you don't.
I'm actually ambivalent on the topic of some people's pro-straight sentiments. In my view, anybody who still believes that we should lock people up for private, consensual behavior such as using one drug instead of another is probably still influenced by the Program. Whether you call it punative or therapeutic doesn't make a difference in my book. Whether you got the idea while sitting in a chair in one of the warehouse locations or whether you got it from the DARE cop doesn't make a difference to me. It's still the Program and it's still a fucked up idea.
I didn't delete your shit because I disagree with it. If that were the determining factor, only my posts and a rare few others would remain on this server. And even most of mine would be gone *POOF* as I've come accross new information and amended my views and beliefs.
I deleted your posts because
- You brought in names and physical addresses that, put together, I believe constitute civil or criminal harassment or libel
- Several people now have contacted me asking how to go about getting you for it.
- Some of that is just anger, some is actual fear that you or some other crack pot who reads it may actually show up at said address and do violence to these folks.
- It's just quicker and easier for me to blow out all posts from the same IP than to sort through a lot of bullshit to delete just those posts that I think may draw legal action.
It takes all of the above, not just some points. I don't know what the fuck you think, but I'll tell you how it is. Right now (not for the first time) people are asking me how to prove, to a legal standard, who you are so that they can send either cops or lawyers to get you to stop posting their home addresses, the names of their children and spouses and false, defamatory information about them. I give them just the same answer as I've always given anybody, regardless of who they're pissed off at or frightened of or whether I agree or disagree w/ their reasoning.
It all boils down to this. I'm not a cop or a prosecutor, not a civil lawyer, not yo mama. I'm just some geek who hosts an open and unmoderated forum. I tell anyone and everyone who asks this same question the same damned thing. If somebody has posted something that you think is criminally or civilly actionable, call the cops of get a lawyer. If I absolutely have to, I'll comply with any legitimate legal demand for information. But it's not my job to control you or anyone else nor to determine what is and is not legally defensible free speech.
I reserve the right to edit or delete whatever junk I find laying around on my server. But that doesn't mean I'm going to chain myself to my desk or hire help to police you people. Es no mi job.
Brian, I don't know if you're going to believe this or not, but I truely and honestly was trying to avoid any legal hassle for you as much as for anybody you're fucking with. But you're fucking with people who have no sense of humor about this shit.
Whether you or he know it or not (and I'm completely undecided about that) you're working for Mel Sembler.
If you really believe that this site is so harmful to your cause, just go ahead and set up your own on Yahoo or Amazing Forums or any one of probably hundreds of other free servers. Run it however you like. I'll even list it in Anonanon and you're welcome to use these forums (within reason, of course, no spamming or flooding) to invite ppl over there. It ain't rocket science, ya know.
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
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On 2005-12-22 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey antigen-why did you start this site?
Ps- cosider me a latecomer...ha ha"
http://fornits.com/wwf/faq.php#terms (http://fornits.com/wwf/faq.php#terms)The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.".
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President
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On 2005-12-22 06:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i have to admit that i like this guys style, you should use all of that energy to go to law school in your spare time dude. be a journalist and cry first ammendment stuff all the time. you would kick ass at it"
No, dude is just some idiot who likes to fantasize about pothead straight chicks while he masturbates for his fan club of 'tards. The only thing he would kick ass at is the freestyle jerkoff competition at the next internet masturbation festival. Dude is boring, trite, redundant, and not in the slightest amusing, insightful, or entertaining, except to socially dysfunctional cretins. His "energy" and "drive" are merely symptoms of some weirdo obsession, his "journalism" would consist only of onanistic revenge fantasies and diatribes against females who find him repellent and those who are not brain-damaged enough to find his writings clever or enjoyable to read. Dude is a first-class copraphage, a real maroon. Dumbfucks like him and his fans are evidence that human intelligence is in a state of decline.
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Hello Forum, Ginger, regulars,
I regret to say that about a year or two ago, I actually e-mailed, then had a phone conversation with Brian Dodd. This was concerning a 30 minute interview/video documentary concerning my experiences at the Milton Roy Straight Building. He seemed overly protective of his girlfriend to the point of paranoia, so I assured him that she need not come along, just pick him up at the end of the "interview." He kept stressing all this access to video equipment, yet could not provide details when asked. He was so fucking squirrely and evasive, I started in on a six pack out of frustration. The plan was simple................
One. We would meet up at the underpass of Belcher and 72nd Street, walk around looking at grafitti and stuff and discussing how various kids wound up in Straight.
Two. We would then launch a canoe into the Cross Bayou Canal and head south through a golf course, and the on into the Bayou, then finish up at the ass end of the Milton Roy Building. Simple huh? I don't see any problem with it, and I was even willing to rent the fucking canoe, but Brian must have had some kind of "breakthrough" that turned him from a viable adult into a gibbering retard. I am really sorry Bry, but what else am I supposed to think?
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BTW, one more thing. Though this ought to go without stating, I think maybe I should say it outright.
If there is any sort of litigation or criminal action, it's not falling on me. Ya'll understand that, right? I will not be compelled to shut the site down, censor it to anyone's specifications or any other such thing. The ONLY thing I may be compelled to do is to provide information for use in criminal investigation or civil discovery.
In other words, IF Betty and Mel Sembler, for example, decided they'd had enough of any or all of us maing disparriaging remarks about them, THEN they could sue or make criminal complaints against the individuals making the claims. I think if you (or anyone) calls the child abusers, they might challenge you to prove it. Ask Marc Emory about that. He decided to just fold and make an apology and retraction rather than fight it.
But, even though I host the forum, I still wouldn't be named as a defendant. Ask Sue Scheff about that. It's been tried. And I'm not the first or only website host to be deemed not responsible for what other people post on my site.
Do you get that? If you are successful at frightening or pissing off Kim, Wes, Sammie, Rich or anybody, they might well do whatever it takes legally to smack you down. I'll still go on letting anybody say anything they want to, and letting them take responsibility for what they say.
Es no mi job to fact check your posts or anybody else's. I won't do it. If I wanted to do that for a living (or as a vocation) I guess I'd get a job in the fact checking department of an actual newspaper or news agency or somthing.
I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I am, which is my life, the power to create.
--Vincent Van Gogh, Dutch painter
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Hey Bob,
Yeah, I sort of think Brian's just skitterish; seeing injuns behind every bush, as it were. (assuming, of course, that this anon really is Brian... could just about as easily be you) That's what I like to think. The only other explanations that make sense to me are that he's just a fuckwad who likes to frighten women, children and the men who love them or he's actually doing this on purpose to monkeywrench any meaningful discussion that might hurt his saviors.
The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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On 2005-12-22 14:37:00, Antigen wrote:
"Hey Bob,
Yeah, I sort of think Brian's just skitterish; seeing injuns behind every bush, as it were. (assuming, of course, that this anon really is Brian... could just about as easily be you) That's what I like to think. The only other explanations that make sense to me are that he's just a fuckwad who likes to frighten women, children and the men who love them or he's actually doing this on purpose to monkeywrench any meaningful discussion that might hurt his saviors.
The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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right. Like anyone allows bullshit to happen on here but the admins. You openly allow worded shit to happen on here, you don't allow anyone to identify themselves or if they do...it's up to them. You purposefully slander those you don't like...I or anyone else that started this shit long before I ever got here are not responsible for the upkeep of this site.
As far as you 'telling on me' or w/e, again...don't do any of us any 'favors' unless you still suck a mean cock. If you are referring to the fact that more women post on here than men, well perhaps you should take that into consideration. Now, I've offerred you some recompense for your irresponsibility, you keep checking and bluffing with empty threats and favors that don't interest me in the least, and so I'm going to, as I said before, posting addresses and phone numbers on here of all the people I think are very much Pro Straight such as Samantha Monroe's current address as well as several of the names of here supposed rapists she doesn't want anyone to know about. I would really, also, like to contact some of these folks she claims to have been raped by and see what they say about it. Perhaps you would, too, once I post those names. You take 'em down Gin, I'll put 'em back up. You have to sleep sometime, and I don't care if the cops knock or if the judge says keep off...pedophiles must be held accountable for their misconduct. You can call it lack of appropriate meds or w/e you'd like.
so I think all in all what anyone here does to try and act like you've been acting is merely just like copycatting. I mean, what would you be doing if you weren't lieing, manipulating and denying that you are Pro Straight for child abuse/rape? You don't have to prove anything to anyone, keep on letting anyone and everyone who wants to post on here with whatever filth they want to post just do that. I certainly will. You don't have it in you to delete everything from all the posts from all the different coffee shops in the world.
This site has no rules, no ethics...notta. rite? And if you say that it does, well I didn't start the shit so I guess I'm not better than you or anyone else here ...the pedophiles on disability and meds that you think I should be on and shit like that. Take your pick, it's not going to take me very long to finish up my list of the Pro Straight folks and just laden this here fuckall with their addresses, You lay one down, I'll lay one down just nastier and bigger. Check me. You want to renig, I'll renig. Your call.
Doesn't Marti Heath live out in Seminole?
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Anon Dude your a looser. I like Samantha Monroe and she has only told the truth about herself and if you look back there have been many non straightlings that have done thier research and have verified her claims. If she were lying wouldnt she have been sued?
I think you have a hard on for her and are being that 10 year old on the play ground who pulls the girls hair.
HEY ILL CALL YOU "GEORGY PORGY" yeah thats it!
You are Georgy Porgy"
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Brian, I'm not yo mama. I 'allow' everyone to say whatever you want on here for the same reason I 'allow' them to go where they please, with whom they please, work or not as they wish; because I have no authority over you or anyone else. Simple as that.
So go ahead and post whatever you want. I'll leave it up there for whomever to see. If/when I get a warrant or subpoena, I'll provide whatever logging info they require of me.
Can pigs fly? Certainly. Given enough velocity and loft, they can. But that doesn't mean they should. In other words, as far as I'm concerned, you CAN harass, badger, threaten and stalk anyone you want to. I'm not a cop or a lawyer or any other such thing. I won't stop you. But that doesn't mean you SHOULD do these things. Piss people off long enough and one or more of them are liable to fuck with you right back. I turned to speak to God, About the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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I'm sure you'll edit the posts that I have copied with that amazing, spectacular button on my keyboard (print screen) all of the prior posts before my trolling where people have openly threatened survivors, slandered their honest comments about Straight Inc.
I'm not responsible for those people nor do you pretend that I am the only troll. I just happen to be someone who posts more than others, and you seem to think you know me by name which I can assure you I'm not that person you think I am.
IF the rule is that anyone can post anything at any time they want, and you've expanded that rule to mean that you're now open to providing full information to any authority or merely anyone who asks, then I am asking. Please. What are the names and addresses of all the survivors who post on here from beginning to now?
I certainly would welcome any higher legal authority to look in upon some of the really heinous shit that gets posted here, and not my few meager posts ...I'm talking about the ones where survivors up to about three years ago are being cursed at and made fun of and openly threatened or told they are liars. None of which you realize to be me whatsoever, because MY posts/trolls have a purpose. You don't want to take the time to edit those other open threats and really meanspirited posts, hey it's fine by me -- I won't waste more time by asking continuously. You want to take the brunt of this shitpoor forum out on me and let other's take out their Straight aggression on me, that's All Sweet and Good by me and I strictly approve let's go now do it come ohn mofuckers bash 'dem lil' heds in. I hope that when you get your subpoena or your warrant or w/e we will all meet in court. I'll sue you and these other survivor trolls' fat asses right back for harassment, slander, and bullshit and anything that applies. In the meantime, what you call dark humor is alot of fun.
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Also, I really like that name Georgy Peorgy puddin pie, it's nice and kewl of you to offer that nick for me freal. We used to recite that poem at home and at school alot back in the day. thank you.
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Well you're right, of course, that I can't be really sure who anybody is who's posting. Not without some outside confirmation, anyway. And I just don't seek it. Doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with the writer in question. Doesn't matter whether I view them as a friend or foe. I just don't go looking for information about people who post here that they don't willingly give. And I recognize that people often lie or misstate things.
It's not my job to decide for you, dearest readers, what to believe or what to think. I never promised to protect you from false or unpleasant words. By the same token, it's not my job to protect you from yourself.
Personally, I think it's worth the legal risk to speak frankly and openly about the nature of the Program, even when that means publicly accusing a sitting ambassador of being the Nazi that I believe he is. (So sue me already, mother fucker!)
IF the rule is that anyone can post anything at any time they want, and you've expanded that rule to mean that you're now open to providing full information to any authority or merely anyone who asks, then I am asking. Please. What are the names and addresses of all the survivors who post on here from beginning to now?
Nothing has changed. I haven't made any new rules. This is how it's always been. So far, I've never had to give up logging info. The only time I ever did give up logging info to law enforcement I did it voluntarily. Would have lost if I'd resisted, but I didn't want to anyway. This was when one of these little cults were threatening a young gal who lived less than an hour from the place. She was testifying against them in a criminal assault case and also speaking pretty freely about the general state of things inside the Program. The criminal investigation was about an incident where they ran into a defector/critic in public and proceeded to kick his ass. That's what the gal was testifying to.
The difference here is that there is no ongoing criminal investigation and I don't really believe you're going to do violence to any of these people. But you have frightened and angered some of them. I'd far rather you just stop with this before somebody starts a whole ball of shit rolling your way. I won't do that; least I can't imagine a scenario right now that would lead to no other reasonable option. And that's my standard. I think force of law is an absolute last resort. It's a fucked up thing to do to someone and I hope it never happens again to any of us. I hope it DOES start happening more frequently to the real child abusers. Charles Long II didn't get anywhere near enough time and there are a whole host of others who, in my opinion, rightly deserve to get pounded in the ass for a few years in prison. But that's just my opinion.
...I'm talking about the ones where survivors up to about three years ago are being cursed at and made fun of and openly threatened or told they are liars. None of which you realize to be me whatsoever, because MY posts/trolls have a purpose. You don't want to take the time to edit those other open threats and really meanspirited posts, hey it's fine by me -- I won't waste more time by asking continuously.
Why would I delete that shit? I'm not afraid of it. It doesn't stand up to any amount of scrutiny or challenge. The only way that kind of obvious lies and brow-beating can work is if it happens in a closed, controled environment where the people in charge can squash dissent. That can't happen here. They don't get to pretend they're right and pretend they've won the argument just because they say so. They can't stop us all from forming our own opinions and throwing our moral support where we see fit.
The only people who have any practical need to censor and delete opposing views are those who's views can't stand up on their own. ...it does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds..
--Samuel Adams
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On 2005-12-27 10:31:00, Antigen wrote:
Why would I delete that shit? I'm not afraid of it. It doesn't stand up to any amount of scrutiny or challenge. The only way that kind of obvious lies and brow-beating can work is if it happens in a closed, controled environment where the people in charge can squash dissent. That can't happen here. They don't get to pretend they're right and pretend they've won the argument just because they say so. They can't stop us all from forming our own opinions and throwing our moral support where we see fit.
The only people who have any practical need to censor and delete opposing views are those who's views can't stand up on their own.
Well lordy, lordy. Look at that. A sensible approach. Whodda thunk it? :nworthy: :nworthy: