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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:33:00 AM
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http://tinyurl.com/y4nnpc (http://tinyurl.com/y4nnpc)
RIDGE CREEK PROGRAM EFFECTIVENESS
(Mar. 1, 2004) Ridge Creek Inc., a short term wilderness program based in Dahlonega, Georgia, 706-867-1720, http://www.ridgecreek.org (http://www.ridgecreek.org), reported the results of surveys mailed to families of graduates on the 1, 3, 6, and 12 month anniversaries of program completion. Parents evaluating nine areas of the program indicated
50% showed Great Improvement
38% showed Improvement
12% showed No Improvement.
A further note included that 59% of the parents indicating No Improvement did not follow discharge recommendations.
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How many parents were surveyed?
Were all parents surveyed or a select few?
Did an independent third-party conduct the survey?
How many opinions changed between the first and twelfth months?
What are the ?discharge recommendations??
How many attend RC who are not already enrolled at HLA, and does the discharge recommendations include enrolling the kid in HLA?
How could parents gauge effectiveness and/or improvement post RC if their kid was already enrolled at HLA and not at home?
Other comments on RC in this forum:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/search.php)
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What are you suggesting that HLA might not have been objective in conducting this survey and may not be providing all nessecary information?
How dare you!
They recieved an award last year from......someone.....for....something. Of which I dont know but Im sure Susie the Bullfrog could ask her boss and theyd tell us.
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A "survey" is in NO WAY a "study." Let's see a study, not a marketing tool like a survey.
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http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003 ... /sr966.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003_04/fulltext/sr966.htm)
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uh, that's not a survey or a study, but a commendation, perhaps awarded based on faulty information and in-house 'survies' provided by HLA.
how were they selected/nominated? did sen. jackson have a kid enrolled there? were the factoids provided by HLA scrutinized, or just accepted at face value?
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interesting. in 2003 (the year before) the numbers from the survey were advertised differently. was enrollment low in 2004 when the results presented were more favorable?
RIDGE CREEK PARENT SURVEYS SHOW PROGRAM EFFECTIVENESS
(March 11, 2003) Ridge Creek, Dahlonega, GA, 706-867-1720, announced the results of their parent surveys taken in 2002, in which
64% of the parents report improvement
23% report great improvement
13% reporting no improvement
vs 38%, 50%, and 12% respectively
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Interestingly enough the majority of the "whereas" are taken directly from the school website. And we all know how truthfull HLA is on things.
Also I wonder if we were to take a look at Senator Jacksons campaign contributers list if wed find any familiar names.
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If when you say Senator Jackson you are referring to State Senator Cathy Jackson (originally from White County, GA, one county over from Lumpkin (where Dahlonega and HLA are located), yes, they are supporters, as she came to HLA and gave a speech to the whole student body a number of months ago (because I was there and saw it) and it was pictured and written about in the school newsletter (Lakeside Reflections). If I still have mine in my mess of HLA boxes (courtesy of COD shipping and beat-up oil-stained SYSCO boxes) I'll scan the pages.
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uh oh more truth coming out.
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Why would you assume that something illegal took place? It is possible that this senator due to her home town knows about the school and recommended it for a commendation due to her knowledge of it. There is nothing shady about that at all. She happened to be familiar with it. If this action is illegal please inform the rest of us who don't "get it".
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***I wonder if we were to take a look at Senator Jacksons campaign contributers list if wed find any familiar names.
I think you might. Found nothing prior to 2005. Records did not offer information prior to 2003.
Appears they are supporting her bid for SoS.
http://www.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/Elec ... Code=00450 (http://www.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/ElectronicFilingsByName.asp?FilingYear=All&FilerID=5569&OfficeCode=00450)
Office Sought: SECRETARY OF STATE
Reporting Entity: Carol Jackson
Reporting Period: Non-Election Year: June 30, 2005
chairperson and/or Treasurer: Linda Hays & Sandra Glass
Contact Telephone: (706) 219-2419
Address: P.O. Box 2246
Cleveland, GA 30528
Campaign Committee? Yes
Registered with Secretary of State? Yes
2005 Political Contributions
9 O Drew Buccellato
4590 Northside Dr.
Atlanta GA 30327
5/16/2005
Head Master - St. Francis High School Primary $150.00 $0.00
10 O John & Susan Buccellato
3059 Farmington Dr. NW
Atlanta GA 30339
6/16/2005
Accountant - Self
Primary $150.00 $0.00
18 O Dr. Janet B Page
2660 Peachtree Rd
Atlanta GA 30305
7/6/2005
Psychologist - Self
Primary $150.00 $0.00
19 O Martin G Quirk
110 Hidden Falls Ln. NW
Atlanta GA 30325-9242
6/17/2005
councelor - self
Primary $200.00 $0.00
20 O Ridge Creek, Inc.
830 Hidden Lake Rd
Dahlonega GA 30533
3/30/2005
Investor - Self Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
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On 2005-12-18 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"***I wonder if we were to take a look at Senator Jacksons campaign contributers list if wed find any familiar names.
I think you might. Found nothing prior to 2005. Records did not offer information prior to 2003.
Appears they are supporting her bid for SoS.
http://www.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/Elec ... Code=00450 (http://www.sos.state.ga.us/cgi-bin/ElectronicFilingsByName.asp?FilingYear=All&FilerID=5569&OfficeCode=00450)
Office Sought: SECRETARY OF STATE
Reporting Entity: Carol Jackson
Reporting Period: Non-Election Year: June 30, 2005
chairperson and/or Treasurer: Linda Hays & Sandra Glass
Contact Telephone: (706) 219-2419
Address: P.O. Box 2246
Cleveland, GA 30528
Campaign Committee? Yes
Registered with Secretary of State? Yes
2005 Political Contributions
9 O Drew Buccellato
4590 Northside Dr.
Atlanta GA 30327
5/16/2005
Head Master - St. Francis High School Primary $150.00 $0.00
10 O John & Susan Buccellato
3059 Farmington Dr. NW
Atlanta GA 30339
6/16/2005
Accountant - Self
Primary $150.00 $0.00
18 O Dr. Janet B Page
2660 Peachtree Rd
Atlanta GA 30305
7/6/2005
Psychologist - Self
Primary $150.00 $0.00
19 O Martin G Quirk
110 Hidden Falls Ln. NW
Atlanta GA 30325-9242
6/17/2005
councelor - self
Primary $200.00 $0.00
20 O Ridge Creek, Inc.
830 Hidden Lake Rd
Dahlonega GA 30533
3/30/2005
Investor - Self Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
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Nice job D. It couldn't be any more obvious than this, now could it? Funny, ain't it?
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Not that they will acknowledge the truth even now. Its a disease they have makes them incapable of it.
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And this means what? If you look at the total of those amounts, they aren't very much. Not to mention it is not illegal for anybody on that list to contribute to her if they know her. Nothing illegal, once again.
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On 2005-12-18 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And this means what? If you look at the total of those amounts, they aren't very much. Not to mention it is not illegal for anybody on that list to contribute to her if they know her. Nothing illegal, once again."
it certainly doesn't jive with your story of the "innocent meeting," now does it? say what you will, but everyone knows how to pay for/peddle influence and i have to admit that len is an extrordinary networker.
that being said, take a look at some of the other "unregulated TBS's" and you will see the extrordinary lengths to which they go financially to extinguish undesired legislation. it's all public record, so it's not hard to find. these people make a lot of money and pay a lot of money for a lot of influence. you're naive if you think otherwise.
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On 2005-12-18 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And this means what? If you look at the total of those amounts, they aren't very much. Not to mention it is not illegal for anybody on that list to contribute to her if they know her. Nothing illegal, once again."
Oh no its not illegal at all. However it does put into question the whole state commendation sponsored by Sen. Jackson. I mean would she still have sponsored the referendum if Buch and the gang werent contributing to her campaign?
Doubtful.
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Those campaign contributions are from 2005. The commendation from the State was from March, 2004. She could not have done it due to their contributions because they hadn't been made yet.
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Four out of five of those have direct or indirect connections to HLA/RCI/ and the whole Buccellato family of programs. Nothing suspicious at all about this...
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On 2005-12-18 12:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why would you assume that something illegal took place? It is possible that this senator due to her home town knows about the school and recommended it for a commendation due to her knowledge of it. There is nothing shady about that at all. She happened to be familiar with it. If this action is illegal please inform the rest of us who don't "get it"."
I'll inform you, then.
It's not so much that there's something directly illegal with this connection (at this time). It's like in a murder case, let's say someone's dead and there's a gun with fingerprints on it and there's this one individual which happened to be there at the time of the murder at the same place and the same time, however evidence can't be gotten or pieced together at the time to prove that he committed it, but everything else is pointing to it. We're not exactly sure what this connection means. At the moment. That's not to say that the truth won't come out, because 99.9% of the time, it always does. It's just a matter of how long it is. My point is, if four out of the five sources of donations listed in the following post either directly OR indirectly have to do with HLA, Ridge Creek, or Len Buccellato, I don't necessarily see why Senator Carol Jackson would take time out of her busy schedule to come up to shiny Dahlonega and give a speech for the whole school and put that much time and effort into it, especially given HLA's track record and legal history. HLA just hasn't been jammed yet because they keep finding back-doors to EVERYTHING, whether it's legal, financial, or just easy ways to get tax breaks and collect money. The amount of back-doors are shrinking as the days pass though. Soon, whether it's a week or a year, there will be no more back-doors for HLA to get away from it all with and they'll have to man up and "hold themselves accountable" as they like to grind into our brains. So much for setting an example on how to hold yourselves accountable.
Nothing's come out of this yet, but something will. It's too much of a coincedence. If it's too good to be true, it always is.
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On 2005-12-18 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Those campaign contributions are from 2005. The commendation from the State was from March, 2004. She could not have done it due to their contributions because they hadn't been made yet."
Oh but it might stand to reason they werent first time contributers. We also know from the earlier post a relationship existed between Buch and Jackson prior to the commendation.
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On 2005-12-18 17:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Those campaign contributions are from 2005. The commendation from the State was from March, 2004. She could not have done it due to their contributions because they hadn't been made yet."
I feel a 2004 donation schedule comin' on. Wonder who will be on it?
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense that people who operate politically only contribute one time or one year. I have a feeling we'll see the numbers.
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illegal wasn't the issue.
perhaps those contributions were a little (cheap) thank you for the favor. or the first installment?
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On 2005-12-18 19:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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illegal wasn't the issue.
perhaps those contributions were a little (cheap) thank you for the favor. or the first installment?"
I usually don't like Anon's... but you really struck on somethin good there. I think I'm feelin that 2005 schedule comin on too...
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This is the entire list of contributors...its not ONLY those people listed the first time. There are many others. And if you go to the senator Jackson lines you see that this is the first time they contributed to her name. These contributions were in 2005. The commendation was in 2004, early 2004. Connection??? Only if you're the conspiracy theory paranoid type.
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Adams , Stephen C
P.O. Box 1255
Cornelia, GA 30531 03/08/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $500.00 $0.00
2 O Akeley , Florence
P.O. Box 1625
Dahlonega, GA 30533 06/25/2005 Retired -
Primary $1,000.00 $0.00
3 O Anthony Consulting Group ,
P.O. Box 8915
Atlanta, GA 31106 04/13/2005 Political Consultant -
Self Primary $300.00 $0.00
4 O Ariel , Edward D
P.O. Box 154
Clarkesville, GA 30523 03/09/2005 Banker -
Habersham Bank Primary $500.00 $0.00
5 O Arrendale , Gus
P.O. Box 558
Baldwin, GA 30511 03/03/2005 Poultry Production -
Fieldale Corp Primary $1,000.00 $0.00
6 O Ash Jr. , Roy
P.O. Box 365
Cleveland, GA 30528 02/28/2005 Farmer -
Self Primary $5,000.00 $0.00
7 O Barnes Law Group ,
P.O. Box 489
Marietta, GA 30061 03/07/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $1,000.00 $0.00
8 O Blalock , Barry K
P.O. Box 1849
Cleveland, GA 30528 04/11/2005 Developer -
Self Primary $300.00 $0.00
9 O Buccellato , Drew
4590 Northside Dr.
Atlanta, GA 30327 05/16/2005 Head Master -
St. Francis High School Primary $150.00 $0.00
10 O Buccellato , John & Susan
3059 Farmington Dr. NW
Atlanta, GA 30339 06/16/2005 Accountant -
Self Primary $150.00 $0.00
11 O Burroughs , David
P.O. Box 324
Gainesville, GA 30503 03/10/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $250.00 $0.00
12 O Edwards , Joseph C
5810 Ridge Stone Way
Cumming, GA 30041 05/05/2005 Electrical Worker -
Self Primary $200.00 $0.00
13 O Glass , Roger & Sandra
1190 Harbor Ridge Dr
Greensboro, GA 30642 07/06/2005 Developer -
Self Primary $1,000.00 $0.00
14 O House , William
P.O. Box 3430
Gainesville, GA 30503 03/09/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $500.00 $0.00
15 O Howard , Pierre
2843 Dover Rd., N.W.
Atlanta, GA 30327 02/16/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $250.00 $0.00
16 O Krise , June
24 Sal Mtn. Way
Sautee-Nacoochee, GA 30571 02/23/2005 Councelor -
Self Primary $200.00 $0.00
17 O Moore , Michael J
3584 Valley Dr
Perry, GA 31069 06/15/2005 Attorney -
Self Primary $250.00 $0.00
18 O Page , Dr. Janet B
2660 Peachtree Rd
Atlanta, GA 30305 07/06/2005 Psychologist -
Self Primary $150.00 $0.00
19 O Quirk , Martin G
110 Hidden Falls Ln. NW
Atlanta, GA 30325-9242 06/17/2005 councelor -
self Primary $200.00 $0.00
20 O Ridge Creek, Inc. ,
830 Hidden Lake Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533 03/30/2005 Investor -
Self Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
21 O Stovall , David
P. O. Box 1980
Cornelia, GA 30531 03/09/2005 Banker -
Habersham Bank Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
22 O Thomas , Bob E
209 South Main St.
Ellijay, GA 30540 02/01/2005 Retired -
Primary $250.00 $0.00
23 O Walker , Joy
197 Jimmy Walker Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533 06/25/2005 Real Estate Broker -
Self Primary $150.00 $0.00
24 O Walters Acceptance Corp ,
P.O. Box 2935
Gainesville, GA 30503 02/22/2005 Real Estate -
Corp Primary $5,000.00 $0.00
25 O Wingate , Alton
186 Hillcrest Heights
Cornelia, GA 3028 01/31/2005 Banker -
CB&T Primary $5,000.00 $0.00
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So what youre saying is, that instead of Buch buying the comendation. Sen. Jackson gave them the comendation as a way of getting political contributions?
My goodness this is bigger than we thought.
Either way it throws the legiltimacy of the comendation into question.
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It was a full year before any contributions dumbass. The paranoia is deeper than I thought. One has nothing to do with the other. Since when did it become a crime to support your local congressman/woman? And she is familiar with the school due to her office being in the adjacent county. The only thing deeper is the bullshit some of you spout.
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On 2005-12-19 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It was a full year before any contributions dumbass. The paranoia is deeper than I thought. One has nothing to do with the other. Since when did it become a crime to support your local congressman/woman? And she is familiar with the school due to her office being in the adjacent county. The only thing deeper is the bullshit some of you spout."
Oh my goodness so a whole year passed then? Well then as we know nothing takes longer than one year..ever. I mean the dinosaurs were around for what...an hour and a half?
Its either one or the other..dumbass. Either Buchi and friends bought the commendation, or she bought their support. I mean you said it yourself she is Senator for a different county, thus she would have no direct involvement with them.
I realize as part of your disorder you are incapable of recognizing the truth when it is right in front of you but at least pretend just to save face and move the conversation along.
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The truth is you have no clue what you are talking about. You are only guessing that the commendation was bought. You are only guessing that the campaign contributions were only related to the commendation. When, in fact, they could very well be totally separate issues. She is in another county, yes, but White and Lumpkin counties share many things, one of them being the same judicial circuit. They are affiliated in many other ways as well. If they wanted to contribute to her campaign, so what. If she wanted to commend them for the school's anniversary because it's in the same area as her hometown and she is familiar with it so what. I am beginning to think you can't see the forest for the trees, so to speak.
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What was the point of taking up bandwidth to post the entire list Eistein? Of course there are many others. Can HLA take credit for recruiting any of the 'others'?
The point being- HLA contributions came after 2004.
Paranoid? Ya'll really do love to throw around those psych labels don't ya? Look up the difference between paranoid and skeptic, and save the unwelcomed analysis.
But while we're being 'skeptical', can anyone imagine why they'd desire to be in bed with a woman running for SoS?
Somehow I don't think you're really that ignorant about politics in the industry, but on the outside chance, here's a little 'skeptical' reading for you:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=49&0 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13081&forum=49&0)
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... forum=49&0 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13080&forum=49&0)
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So again you arent even willing to acknowledge that it may just may suggest a hint of impropiety that Sen. Jackson gives HLA a commendation, and then one short year later here not just Buchi, but several members of his family and his attorney all decide to donate to her campaign.
And you dont find it odd that they were all first time donators? Never before taking an interest in her career, yet when she gives Buchi a commendation he's happy to help?
You cant even acknowledge the possibility that there might have been some backroom dealings?
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Earlier someone said that the campaign contributions must have occured in 2004 and therefore the explanation that the commendation was bought. I posted the list proving that wasn't the case, and you still bitch and moan about impropriety because now they are first time contributors? No matter what anybody posts, some of you just won't see the truth. You want to see only what you want to believe and nothing else. I am sure there is a name for that, but nuts is the only thing that comes to mind right now.
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The lights are on, but there's nobody home
:silly:
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robert dear, they have hold of the steering wheel again and are steering toward the ditch.
the length of time between the commendation and the contribution is a useless sidetracking debate. she wasn't running for SoS at that time. she didn't announce her bid until 18 Mar 05. Contributions began 30 Mar.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/custom ... 005/03/17/ (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/custom/blogs/georgia/entries/2005/03/17/)
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On 2005-12-19 19:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Earlier someone said that the campaign contributions must have occured in 2004 and therefore the explanation that the commendation was bought. I posted the list proving that wasn't the case, and you still bitch and moan about impropriety because now they are first time contributors? No matter what anybody posts, some of you just won't see the truth. You want to see only what you want to believe and nothing else. I am sure there is a name for that, but nuts is the only thing that comes to mind right now. "
Okay all you had to say was "I am way to blinded by the brainwashing Ive been subjected to, and much to much a party loyalist to ever consider the possibility."
All you did by providing that list was open up to the suggestion that she may have given them the commendation as a way of gaining their support. Nothing more. You didnt prove anything, anymore than we have. The difference is you arent even to the possibility that something shady went on. Not that it in fact did but simply the possibility based on appearances. But you cant, youre incapable of doing so.
The reason of course being youre a puppet and your Papa Buch wouldnt like you thinking such thoughts, so you dont.
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On 2005-12-19 19:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
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robert dear, they have hold of the steering wheel again and are steering toward the ditch.
the length of time between the commendation and the contribution is a useless sidetracking debate. she wasn't running for SoS at that time. she didn't announce her bid until 18 Mar 05. Contributions began 30 Mar.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/custom ... 005/03/17/ (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/custom/blogs/georgia/entries/2005/03/17/)
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The length of time doesnt seem to matter. Im interested to see if they are willing to even acknowledge the possibility of a backroom deal. How tight are the puppet strings?
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dude, you're hallucinating. no one said those were 2004 contributions. pay attention so you don't waste people's time and ginger's bandwidth with unnecessary blather.
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You said so yourself they were all first time contributers.
She had been a State Senator since what 98?
It doesnt suggest anything to you at all that they never offer any support to her UNTIL she gives them a commendation?
I guess I was right, no independent thought from you.
how sad for you.
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***The length of time doesnt seem to matter. Im interested to see if they are willing to even acknowledge the possibility of a backroom deal. How tight are the puppet strings?
you are kidding aren't you? you and i and everyone else knows that they would never admit that. waste of time. this ain't no courtroom and they aren't under oath- not that that would matter. and even if they were, contributions aren't illegal. it's the damned irony of how it went down. rational people will draw their own conclusions.
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Oh I know they wont admit it.
I just wanted to highlight that. Make sure everyone knows what cowards they all are from Buchi on down. Unwilling to acknowledge the truth on any subject no matter how obvious.
So now it appears HLA is working to place a politician in its pocket. Hmmm I wonder to what end? Not that it appears Mrs. Jackson is going to win, but if she did and HLA tried to use that friendship towards its own crooked ends, I wonder if anyone else would find the story interesting.
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It is Mr. Bruce who can't acknowledge the truth even when it is put right in front of him because it is against his agenda and what he wants others to believe.
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On 2005-12-20 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is Mr. Bruce who can't acknowledge the truth even when it is put right in front of him because it is against his agenda and what he wants others to believe."
Who are you?!? Oh wait...anonymous...
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On 2005-12-20 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is Mr. Bruce who can't acknowledge the truth even when it is put right in front of him because it is against his agenda and what he wants others to believe."
Please respond to this truth:
"Last year, research by the National Institutes of Health found that while coercive, fear-inducing treatment programs have not proven effective and could aggravate delinquent behavior, more holistic, family-centered approaches have demonstrated positive results in at-risk youth. One federal legislative proposal, the Keeping Families Together Act, would lift restrictions on a special Medicaid waiver to help families use public funds to access community-based treatment."
Please explain how your RTC is helping when all the studies ever done show that RTC's don't work and "aggravate" the kids' problems.
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On 2005-12-20 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is Mr. Bruce who can't acknowledge the truth even when it is put right in front of him because it is against his agenda and what he wants others to believe."
Is that a fact? What truth is it I wont acknowledge? Cite it specifically.
Meanwhile evade further on the question of if there is even a remote possibility I am right abotu the relationship between former Sen. Jackson and Buch.
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The answer to your question is there is no impropriety going on with that relationship. If you have a problem with it, take it up with the State if you feel so strongly about it. Otherwise, it's just another paranoid delusion of yours.
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So you wont even acknowledge that the situation even suggest (not stating for a fact simply suggest the possibility) of impropiety?
Simply a yes or no answer.
Yes there's the possibility.
No absolutely no way.
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How do you know it's not a definate no? You have no way of knowing what kind of knowledge I have of this relationship. You wanted an answer, the answer is no impropriety.
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Okay thats all I really needed from you.
Could you do us all a favor though and pick a user name.
That way it would be easier to automatically pass over and discount anything you might say irregardless of the content.
You have shown that you are oblivious ignorant and blind to anything other than what Papa Buch tells you to think.
How will you ever make it in the real world I wonder?
Well Im sure theres a nice cult you can join that will give you basically the same thing.
So like I said pick a user name and save us all alot of time. Thanks.
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Whats the matter Mr. Bruce? You didn't like the answer? That is why you don't get your questions answered. You don't like the answer you get so you have to discredit the poster. Typical. If you aren't going to believe the answers given to questions you ask then don't bother asking them in the first place.
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I neither like nor dislike the answer. Oh and dont make excuses, the reason you all evade answering the questions is out of fear of the truth.
The last reponse you got was due to the fact that you have made it abundantly clear that you are nothing more than a brainwashed puppet.
Any objective person, or even a non objective person can look at that situation and say "maybe"
Ive made my feelings clear on HLA, but at the same time I wouldnt say with an absolute certianity that I knew Sen. Jackson and the Buch had made some shady deal. Im simply saying it appears that way and the evidence would seem to suggest it. There is however a chance nothing of the sort ever took place albeit I dont think so.
You however are so blinded by your love of the Buch and the misguided notion that HLA is never wrong you refuse to even acknowledge the possibility of such a thing occuring. Why? Because as I said youre a brainwashed puppet and who cant think anything other than what Papa Buch tells you to.
Its not meant as an attempt to discredit you, you did that yourself when you refused to accept the possibility of HLA doing something immoral or wrong.
Dont get upset and blame me for your actions.
Again typical staff behavior.
Speaking of which would you be willing to share what capacity you serve at HLA?
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On 2005-12-20 08:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-20 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is Mr. Bruce who can't acknowledge the truth even when it is put right in front of him because it is against his agenda and what he wants others to believe."
Please respond to this truth:
"Last year, research by the National Institutes of Health found that while coercive, fear-inducing treatment programs have not proven effective and could aggravate delinquent behavior, more holistic, family-centered approaches have demonstrated positive results in at-risk youth. One federal legislative proposal, the Keeping Families Together Act, would lift restrictions on a special Medicaid waiver to help families use public funds to access community-based treatment."
Please explain how your RTC is helping when all the studies ever done show that RTC's don't work and "aggravate" the kids' problems."
Why won't you answer? You answer every other off-track post, so why not a substantive one?
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He wont answer because he has to ask Papa Buch for what hes supposed to think first. Be patient these things take time.
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I will gladly make myself known when Mr. Bruce does.
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I dont believe anyone cares who you are. You were asked in what capacity you work for HLA.
I was a former prisoner there myself.
Why are you interested in who I am?
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On further examination it appears our puppet contributer is nothing more than our regular guest star....Mrs. Susie "The Bullfrog" Gray.
If it is, then why is she even bringing this up? She has no knowledge of the workings and relationships of HLA when she was there, she definitly doesnt have any knowledge concerning it at all now.
If on the other hand its someone new, well you all sound alike anyway and get your statements from the same programming videos. So in any event tell us what in what capactiy you serve at HLA.
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Not her, sorry
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On 2005-12-20 19:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I will gladly make myself known when Mr. Bruce does. "
Hey, cop out, nobody asked for your name rank and serial number. You were asked for your bona-fides so that we may formulate an opinion on your postings.
Mr. Bruce has stated his: Former Patient.
What are yours?
Your failure to respond leads everyone reading this board to the conclusion that you have no credentials/experience/inside knowledge. You cannot be taken seriously when you have demonstrated no ties to the treatment center or any relevent education whatsoever.
Why don't you get real and either admit you have no credentials or let us know why we should believe anything you say?
Thanks.
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Mr. Bruce...you should have studied at HLA ...irregardless is not a word...
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On 2005-12-21 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mr. Bruce...you should have studied at HLA ...irregardless is not a word..."
from Mirriam Webster...
Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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And you should have accepted the world outside HLA does not operate according to your rules.
You see here's proof, declaring words to be nonexistent even.
Now answer the question how are you affiliated with HLA?
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"Hey, cop out, nobody asked for your name rank and serial number. You were asked for your bona-fides so that we may formulate an opinion on your postings.
Mr. Bruce has stated his: Former Patient.
What are yours? "
Former student.
Now, Robert Bruce, who are you?
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You havent explained why you care.
Not that I'd buy you were a former student anyway.
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I care because I am a former student. I had a compeltely different experience from the one you have described and I don't want people who read this to think that you speak for everyone, or even the majority of students who went to HLA. I had a great relationship with my counselor and still communicate with him today. He has advised me on many issues throughout my life beyond HLA and it is a relationship that I will always treasure.
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Fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just dont question my telling of the facts about HLA.
If you would like to disagree with me on specific points, by all means do so. Just be specific is all I ask, and we will discuss them.
If you benefited from HLA, then more power to you, but dont discount the experiences of others, or their legitimacy.
Also you fail to explain why you being a former student gives you reason to care who I am?
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"Also you fail to explain why you being a former student gives you reason to care who I am?"
Because I think you are a liar and I think you are too scared to show your face. You are afraid of being sued.
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What have I lied about?
As for the rest, I know full well how HLA deals with people who speak out against them and tell the truth. Look how they reacted to Marla. HLA would jump at the chance to sue me and try and silence my telling the truth about them. Im not afraid of it, simply because I am telling the truth, and can back up each and every one of my claims.
However at the same time I am not seeking out to be sued by HLA. It is not conducive at this moment. I'll still see them in court mind you, just on our terms not theirs.
Besides this still does not explain why you care who I am? Because you want them to sue me? Is that all?
So you get back to me on that and let me know specifically what things you believe I have lied about. Also pick a user name it makes things easier.
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"Because I think you are a liar and I think you are too scared to show your face. You are afraid of being sued."... heard coming from underneath the bag.
And YOUR excuse?
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Nice
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On 2005-12-21 13:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"HLA is the best program, EVER, period, end of story..Get fuckin lives and quit your whining :scared: :wave:
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On 2005-12-21 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I care because I am a former student. I had a compeltely different experience from the one you have described and I don't want people who read this to think that you speak for everyone, or even the majority of students who went to HLA. I had a great relationship with my counselor and still communicate with him today. He has advised me on many issues throughout my life beyond HLA and it is a relationship that I will always treasure.
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Did he bang you too? "Throughout" your "life"? Sounds a bit creepy.
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Why is it that people are so quick to judge that relationship? You know some people aren't child molesters dumbass.
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I wouldnt pay to much attention to short bus over there. He has special needs.
So you still havent answered the question. Why do you you care?
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http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/ (http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/)
They have never, according to this website, received an inspection. There are no inspection reports filed for Ridge Creek.
Please use the online complaint system to lodge any complaints about your treatment, safety, nutrition, staff, abuse, etc. at Ridge Creek so you can let ORS know what happens there.
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Thanks for the link. The reports are being filed. A few of my friends have already sent in their information and an investigation should be opened soon.
I encourage anyone who has relevent information to submit it to ORS.
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Licensed for 3-4 years and never been subject to an inspection? What's the point? Annual inspections are common.
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If you want results of Ridge Creek's inspection reports you must request them. They are't online due to 'lack of resources'.
Why do some facilities have inspection reports and others do not?
Currently, we include only information from certain inspections done in personal care homes, community living arrangements, private home care providers, clinical laboratories, home health agencies, end state renal disease facilities, nursing homes and hospitals. Recent inspections conducted by ORS surveyors and determined to be complete are listed.
Most facilities are inspected annually on a rolling calendar. However, it may be a year before some facilities have their inspection reports online. Accredited hospitals are typically surveyed by JCAHO on a three-year cycle, so hospital reports will not change as frequently as other facilities that are inspected annually by ORS.
Other kinds of facilities that are licensed by ORS currently have no inspection reports online. ORS is phasing in the posting of inspection reports on other kinds of licensed facilities over time as the necessary resources are acquired to support the online information system.
http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/ ... 01010aRCRD (http://ors.dhr.georgia.gov/portal/site/DHR-ORS/menuitem.3ab193ac3b6d6a608e738510da1010a0/?vgnextoid=064ad46cf0cd1010VgnVCM100000bf01010aRCRD)
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Re: The Senate Resolution discussed earlier in this thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#155807 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=155807&highlight=commendation#155807)
Whereas, HLA misrepresented its program to Sen Jackson, and
Whereas, HLA made political contributions to Sen Jackson after the Commendation, and
Whereas, a lawsuit has been filed against HLA, and
Whereas, many of the statements in the Commendation are under scrutiny,
Might the senate consider revoking Sen Jackson?s Commendation?
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003 ... /sr966.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003_04/fulltext/sr966.htm)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#155807 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=155807&highlight=commendation#155807)
Jackson apparently abandoned her bid for Sec of State.
http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2 ... ratic.html (http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2006/01/carol-jackson-is-out-of-democratic.html)
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Re: The Senate Resolution discussed earlier in this thread:
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#155807 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=155807&highlight=commendation#155807)
Whereas, HLA misrepresented its program to Sen Jackson, and
Whereas, HLA made political contributions to Sen Jackson after the Commendation, and
Whereas, a lawsuit has been filed against HLA, and
Whereas, many of the statements in the Commendation are under scrutiny,
Might the senate consider revoking Sen Jackson?s Commendation?
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003 ... /sr966.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003_04/fulltext/sr966.htm)
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#155807 (http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=155807&highlight=commendation#155807)
Jackson apparently abandoned her bid for Sec of State.
http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2 ... ratic.html (http://georgiaunfiltered.blogspot.com/2006/01/carol-jackson-is-out-of-democratic.html)
Who should we write to get Senator Jackson's "commendation" revoked?
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Perhaps Sen. Jackson herself.
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It appears Senator Jackson not only dropped out of her bid for Sec. of State, but never returned to the Senate.
Damn, they spent all that money, bought that commendation and all for nothing.
Speaking of spending money I found this to be interesting:
20 O Ridge Creek, Inc. ,
830 Hidden Lake Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533 03/30/2005 Investor -
Self Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
Ridge Creek Inc.? I wonder how parents would feel if they knew the money they were paying for tuiton wasnt going towards making their childrens lives better, but for campaign contributions.
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It appears Senator Jackson not only dropped out of her bid for Sec. of State, but never returned to the Senate.
Damn, they spent all that money, bought that commendation and all for nothing.
Speaking of spending money I found this to be interesting:
20 O Ridge Creek, Inc. ,
830 Hidden Lake Rd
Dahlonega, GA 30533 03/30/2005 Investor -
Self Primary $2,000.00 $0.00
Ridge Creek Inc.? I wonder how parents would feel if they knew the money they were paying for tuiton wasnt going towards making their childrens lives better, but for campaign contributions.
I guess the same way parents at HLA feel finding out their money went to buy Bucci's niece and nephew lavish gifts....
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The stats for their success/failure would be totally off as many parents, me included, sent cease and desist orders in return for the HLA/Ridge Creek "requests for feedback".
I doubt they have ever released that number to potential clients or current customers.
The day my daughter "graduated", I attended that "graduation" with family members (a family member, who is law enforcement was with us - HLA had played games with the other "parent" and I was afraid I might not actually leave with my daughter in my custody) and made damn sure, I kept all the "faculty", if that's what you want to call them, at bay.
I spoke ONLY to one facualty member who had made an effort to semi-protect my child during the time HLA used my daughter as a pawn in their little game with her father and put her squarely in "harm's way" while in their custody.
Once I had her off that campus and back in the custody of her family, that was the last I ever spoke to any of them except, in writing, to tell HLA/Ridge Creek/Quirk & Quirk, in legal language, to NEVER, under any circumstances have their letterhead come in my mail, ever again.
For those of you who would jumpt to crucify me for allowing all these events to transpire and my dautghter to be in such a predicament, try to imagine a world where you haven't lived all the possibilities and just maybe, things could happen in your life where you were not always in control of all the people around you.
Short point in, the "spin" put on some of these piese of info is sometimes a world away from "reality", whatever that is.........
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There are many of us who have been ostracized from HLA/Ridge Creek and we will never have the opportunity to fill out one of their precious surveys. I'm quite sure what I'd have to say would be highly censored or conveniently "lost in the mail".
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There are many of us who have been ostracized from HLA/Ridge Creek and we will never have the opportunity to fill out one of their precious surveys. I'm quite sure what I'd have to say would be highly censored or conveniently "lost in the mail".
BTW - asking too many questions will get you ostracized.