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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: sammiegirl on December 13, 2005, 10:18:00 PM
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From what I understand from Dr. Burns cir. 1980 Straight Sarasota. The LIFE founders left STRAIGHT during the Miller-Burns Fight and they split due to EGO. Burns actualy started the "Celeb" visits and then Mel Jumped in w/ Bigger Celebs but all in all Helen got mad b/c she wasnt recognised for her "WORK" at STRAIGHT and was mad at the fact that she was treated like a high school drop out/ nobody, she was fighting w/the STRAIGHTLING STAFF ect and left or should I say RESIGNED after an arguement and went out got a small business grant and brought her friend/parent croonies w/her to make a "BETTER" "KINDER" straight like program. The problem was that SHE realy only started another straight but made it her own with her rules and her ideas.
Now I was a STRAIGHTLING so I am not too sure how accurate or how close to the truth the story of LIFES begining is but I heard it from DR Burns himself while I was on the phone talking to him about STRAIGHT and LIFE and why he finaly left all together.
Would, Could any LIFERS who were there in the beginning please clarify this for me.
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Two points of addendum. Both the celeb visits/endorsements and Helen Peterman were holdovers from the Seed.
The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
-- John A. Bennett, DO
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On 2005-12-13 19:18:00, sammiegirl wrote:
"From what I understand from Dr. Burns cir. 1980 Straight Sarasota. The LIFE founders left STRAIGHT during the Miller-Burns Fight and they split due to EGO. Burns actualy started the "Celeb" visits and then Mel Jumped in w/ Bigger Celebs but all in all Helen got mad b/c she wasnt recognised for her "WORK" at STRAIGHT and was mad at the fact that she was treated like a high school drop out/ nobody, she was fighting w/the STRAIGHTLING STAFF ect and left or should I say RESIGNED after an arguement and went out got a small business grant and brought her friend/parent croonies w/her to make a "BETTER" "KINDER" straight like program. The problem was that SHE realy only started another straight but made it her own with her rules and her ideas.
Now I was a STRAIGHTLING so I am not too sure how accurate or how close to the truth the story of LIFES begining is but I heard it from DR Burns himself while I was on the phone talking to him about STRAIGHT and LIFE and why he finaly left all together.
Would, Could any LIFERS who were there in the beginning please clarify this for me."
I was the FIRST,non Straightling male,fresh off the street,to enter the LIFE Program.
At this time,St Petersburg Straight was in trouble for punching kids in the mouth,and Sarasota Straight was getting bad press for abusing children,so Miss Pete and a small group of "kids" departed Straight and formed LIFE,in an old "gay bar" (kind of "roadside tavern")that sat across the street from where the LIFE building sits today.
The new building and parking lot were made by people who owned construction companies and had their kids in the program (Mackie Construction,Earl Collins Paving,Dooley/Mack Construction,just to name a few).
The Original Poster,sammieslut,facts are also true.
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No, LIFE opened just before Sarasota split off from St. Pete.
...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.
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Yeah, Greg, get your facts straight. :smile:
So, what are you calling yourself now anyway?
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I have no clue how LIFE started, I know how it ended though :wink:
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson
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On 2005-12-14 16:28:00, xvipah wrote:
"I have no clue how LIFE started, I know how it ended though :wink:If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
--Thomas Jefferson
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Well, are ya gonna keep us in suspense?
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Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was public knowledge, my apologies :wink:
They got bought by Venice Hospital. VH turned them in to a sort of medical/outpatient program. One of those drug dependency type programs that most insurance will only cover for 30 days at the most?
It ran like that for I think 4-6 months, maybe a bit more, then VH realized they could just do it better if they kept it at their own facility on the Island, and shut it down.
If I remember right, the reason they bought LIFE to do it was so that they could use the name(in Venice, at that time, you'd find that LIFE was actually a pretty popular place) and I think they even kept a few of the executive staff on..
I don't know all the minute details or the maneuverings behind the scenes and such, but that's why LIFE as we knew it shut down, and then eventually why the building became a consignment shop :wink:The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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That's the truth but........ when Petermann ran LIFE it wasn't even as tough as the Seed. It was for wanna bees. It was totally Her SEED. More like Kindergarten :wstupid: .
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On 2005-12-15 04:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's the truth but........ when Petermann ran LIFE it wasn't even as tough as the Seed. It was for wanna bees. It was totally Her SEED. More like Kindergarten :wstupid: ."
DAILY,we were reminded by Petermann and others that "Straight is bad,but LIFE is good".
Maybe there WAS more violence at Straight,and more strengent rules about "sitting properly in your chair",but the fact that we were living in host homes and being at the mercy of our oldcommers(MANY of them from the Straight Program) made being in LIFE just as bad as being in Straight.
I was there from the first day.
Maybe the "kindergarden" you enjoyed was at a later time.
LIFE was bad!
Why should you try and compare and say that one program was "easier" than the other?
You probably think that JEW SUFFERING is more legitimate than other people's suffering?
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On 2005-12-14 12:17:00, Antigen wrote:
"No, LIFE opened just before Sarasota split off from St. Pete. ...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.
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Why do you begin your sentence with the word "NO"?
I have read your comments on the other "blog" and I have to say that you speak like Bush or Hitler or The Chinese Government.
The Chinese always like to say things like "Taiwan blah blah blah,AND THIS reflects the will of ALL Chinese citizens,blah blah blah".
Thats what your crap comments sound like.
YOU are a 7stepping piece of scum and you need to STOP speaking for "us" and speak for yourself.
Go fuck yourself Antigen!
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On 2005-12-14 16:07:00, TimeBomb wrote:
"Yeah, Greg, get your facts straight. :smile:
So, what are you calling yourself now anyway? "
Greg Rowland-LeClair
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On 2005-12-15 04:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-14 12:17:00, Antigen wrote:
"No, LIFE opened just before Sarasota split off from St. Pete. ...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.
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Why do you begin your sentence with the word "NO"?
I have read your comments on the other "blog" and I have to say that you speak like Bush or Hitler or The Chinese Government.
The Chinese always like to say things like "Taiwan blah blah blah,AND THIS reflects the will of ALL Chinese citizens,blah blah blah".
Thats what your crap comments sound like.
YOU are a 7stepping piece of scum and you need to STOP speaking for "us" and speak for yourself.
Go fuck yourself Antigen!"
I read "the other NATIONALLY KNOWN blog" and Antigen,3 TIMES, provided a direct link to http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) and praised it as a great place to find facts about Straightlike programs,WITHOUT ONCE mentioning http://www.fornits.com,a (http://www.fornits.com,a) more reliable source of info.
Why Antigen is hawking Wes Fager's MISLEADING website to the public as a good place for info!
Anybody who knows nothing about Straight,and looks at Fager's site for insight,will think we are ALL crackpots.
Fuck you again Antigen!
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Man...
I sense a little hostility here!! :wink:There is not a "fragment" in all nature, for every relative fragment of one thing is a full harmonious unit in itself.
-- John Muir
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On 2005-12-15 10:23:00, xvipah wrote:
"Man...
I sense a little hostility here!! :wink:"
Really? I didn't notice.
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On 2005-12-15 10:38:00, TimeBomb wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 10:23:00, xvipah wrote:
"Man...
I sense a little hostility here!! :wink:"
Really? I didn't notice."
Yea, could be I've just gone off the deep end..Don't sweat the
- Petty Things
Don't pet the
- Sweaty Things
Water what you want to grow.
--Curiosity
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Fornits = hostility
about the same
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On 2005-12-14 18:29:00, xvipah wrote:
"Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was public knowledge, my apologies :wink:
They got bought by Venice Hospital. VH turned them in to a sort of medical/outpatient program. One of those drug dependency type programs that most insurance will only cover for 30 days at the most?
It ran like that for I think 4-6 months, maybe a bit more, then VH realized they could just do it better if they kept it at their own facility on the Island, and shut it down.
If I remember right, the reason they bought LIFE to do it was so that they could use the name(in Venice, at that time, you'd find that LIFE was actually a pretty popular place) and I think they even kept a few of the executive staff on..
I don't know all the minute details or the maneuverings behind the scenes and such, but that's why LIFE as we knew it shut down, and then eventually why the building became a consignment shop :wink:"
It would be interesting to know what actually went on behind the scenes. This is the only thing I could find on the web about Venice Hospital and LIFE -- an ad agency patting themselves on the back for bringing 10 kids into the place.
http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/Ca ... case11.asp (http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/CaseStudies/gp35/case11.asp)
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It would be interesting to know what actually went on behind the scenes. This is the only thing I could find on the web about Venice Hospital and LIFE -- an ad agency patting themselves on the back for bringing 10 kids into the place.
http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/Ca ... case11.asp (http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/CaseStudies/gp35/case11.asp)"
So... did anyone read the fine print? No? This one:
Copyright (c) 1994-2005 Promotional Products Association International. All Rights Reserved.
Photographs and illustrations, as well as text cannot be used without written permission from PPAI.
Ok... I'm gonna give the spoiler right up front - so you devotees can look away and feign ignorance.... LIFE WAS DEFUNCT IN 1993
So how do we have this commercial devotee, in 2005 still hawking a program that doesn't exist!?
Hey Sue... your credibility is rockin!!!!
:grin:
_**Edited for excessive bitchiness**
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On 2005-12-15 05:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 04:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-14 12:17:00, Antigen wrote:
"No, LIFE opened just before Sarasota split off from St. Pete. ...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.
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Why do you begin your sentence with the word "NO"?
I have read your comments on the other "blog" and I have to say that you speak like Bush or Hitler or The Chinese Government.
The Chinese always like to say things like "Taiwan blah blah blah,AND THIS reflects the will of ALL Chinese citizens,blah blah blah".
Thats what your crap comments sound like.
YOU are a 7stepping piece of scum and you need to STOP speaking for "us" and speak for yourself.
Go fuck yourself Antigen!"
I read "the other NATIONALLY KNOWN blog" and Antigen,3 TIMES, provided a direct link to http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) and praised it as a great place to find facts about Straightlike programs,WITHOUT ONCE mentioning http://www.fornits.com,a (http://www.fornits.com,a) more reliable source of info.
Why Antigen is hawking Wes Fager's MISLEADING website to the public as a good place for info!
Anybody who knows nothing about Straight,and looks at Fager's site for insight,will think we are ALL crackpots.
Fuck you again Antigen!"
Well.
Im waiting for you to explain yourself.
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Psychoboy doesn't have an explanation. We quit trying to figure out his rants a while ago. :grin:
On 2005-12-16 05:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 05:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-15 04:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-14 12:17:00, Antigen wrote:
"No, LIFE opened just before Sarasota split off from St. Pete. ...the coercive collectivist State is distinctly uninterested in the cultivation of intelligence and wisdom. This is understandable...for the State has no uses to which persons of intelligence and wisdom can be put.
--Albert Jay Nock.
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Why do you begin your sentence with the word "NO"?
I have read your comments on the other "blog" and I have to say that you speak like Bush or Hitler or The Chinese Government.
The Chinese always like to say things like "Taiwan blah blah blah,AND THIS reflects the will of ALL Chinese citizens,blah blah blah".
Thats what your crap comments sound like.
YOU are a 7stepping piece of scum and you need to STOP speaking for "us" and speak for yourself.
Go fuck yourself Antigen!"
I read "the other NATIONALLY KNOWN blog" and Antigen,3 TIMES, provided a direct link to http://www.thestraights.com (http://www.thestraights.com) and praised it as a great place to find facts about Straightlike programs,WITHOUT ONCE mentioning http://www.fornits.com,a (http://www.fornits.com,a) more reliable source of info.
Why Antigen is hawking Wes Fager's MISLEADING website to the public as a good place for info!
Anybody who knows nothing about Straight,and looks at Fager's site for insight,will think we are ALL crackpots.
Fuck you again Antigen!"
Well.
Im waiting for you to explain yourself.
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On 2005-12-15 23:05:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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It would be interesting to know what actually went on behind the scenes. This is the only thing I could find on the web about Venice Hospital and LIFE -- an ad agency patting themselves on the back for bringing 10 kids into the place.
http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/Ca ... case11.asp (http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/CaseStudies/gp35/case11.asp)"
So... did anyone read the fine print? No? This one:
Copyright (c) 1994-2005 Promotional Products Association International. All Rights Reserved.
Photographs and illustrations, as well as text cannot be used without written permission from PPAI.
Ok... I'm gonna give the spoiler right up front - so you devotees can look away and feign ignorance.... LIFE WAS DEFUNCT IN 1993
So how do we have this commercial devotee, in 2005 still hawking a program that doesn't exist!?
Hey Sue... your credibility is rockin!!!!
:grin:
_**Edited for excessive bitchiness**"
Actually, after looking at the web site a little closer, this was an award from Promotional Products Association International (PPAI), given to Venice Hospital at the 35th Annual Golden Pyramid Awards. The 48th Annual awards were held this year.
It was on a page of "case sudies" that lists a couple of hundred awards from old trade shows. http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/CaseStudies/ (http://www.ppa.org/ProductsResources/CaseStudies/)
[ This Message was edited by: TimeBomb on 2005-12-16 08:38 ]
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Ok, so I was wrong.
The ad agencies probably do this for all their stuff.
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On 2005-12-16 11:24:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
"Ok, so I was wrong.
The ad agencies probably do this for all their stuff."
LOL Eat it Helena. Need to knock that CHIP OFF the shoulder now.
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No, I just think if you thought LIFE was hard......... we ought to ship your ass off to military school and you'd know LIFE was for pussies. :wstupid: :smokin:
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On 2005-12-16 21:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, I just think if you thought LIFE was hard......... we ought to ship your ass off to military school and you'd know LIFE was for pussies. :wstupid: :smokin: "
*shrug*
I went in to the Army and I was in LIFE. Military was harder, doesn't mean LIFE was some sort of picnic..Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice.
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
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When I was there ther'e this asshole kid looking for attention........ok? He raises his hand starts crying crocadile tears......"OH my, look what I did to my body, I stuck a needle in my arm. Whoa is me, I've gone far down." Fact was the asshole kid had never even really bottomed out before,so he wouldn't know. If he really had bottomed and been there and back he's be begging for some shit to stick in his arm because he really was a real pussy. :wstupid: :smokin: y.
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LOL Eat it Helena. Need to knock that CHIP OFF the shoulder now."
I was wrong, and I owned it. And I don't consider facing facts and the truth a "chip on one's shoulder". If you do, that's your problem.
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On 2005-12-17 14:40:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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LOL Eat it Helena. Need to knock that CHIP OFF the shoulder now."
I was wrong, and I owned it. And I don't consider facing facts and the truth a "chip on one's shoulder". If you do, that's your problem."
Good for you owning up to it. I want to give you positive credit. That's really applying the first rule (honesty) and applying your program. (And you thought nothing stuck with you from the program) LOL
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Good for you owning up to it. I want to give you positive credit. That's really applying the first rule (honesty) and applying your program. (And you thought nothing stuck with you from the program) LOL"
Actually, moron - this comes from Common Sense 101, which I learned while getting a real education, loooonnnng before the Petermann Penitentiary. I don't need to tell you what you can do with yours. ::both::
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Where are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket??
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On 2005-12-17 17:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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Good for you owning up to it. I want to give you positive credit. That's really applying the first rule (honesty) and applying your program. (And you thought nothing stuck with you from the program) LOL"
Actually, moron - this comes from Common Sense 101, which I learned while getting a real education, loooonnnng before the Petermann Penitentiary. I don't need to tell you what you can do with yours. ::both::
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Where are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket??"
Oh "educated one", who calls others childish names. Please use your distinct education in a useful manner. Do you list "Fornits Junkie" on your resume?
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On 2005-12-18 10:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh "educated one", who calls others childish names. Please use your distinct education in a useful manner. Do you list "Fornits Junkie" on your resume? "
Do you put LIFE on yours?
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Oh "educated one", who calls others childish names. Please use your distinct education in a useful manner. Do you list "Fornits Junkie" on your resume? "
Do you list it on yours? Did you not just make a post here? Now, following your logic, that "Posting on Fornits" makes one a "junkie", I have to ask: would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-12-18 11:35 ]
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On 2005-12-18 11:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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Oh "educated one", who calls others childish names. Please use your distinct education in a useful manner. Do you list "Fornits Junkie" on your resume? "
Do you list it on yours? Did you not just make a post here? Now, following your logic, that "Posting on Fornits" makes one a "junkie", I have to ask: would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-12-18 11:35 ]"
LOL My 8 posts over the past couple months hardly falls into your 800 PLUS over the past who knows how long, which would fall into the JUNKIE category.
And to the other poster before, I wasn't in LIFE.
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On 2005-12-18 12:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-18 11:34:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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Oh "educated one", who calls others childish names. Please use your distinct education in a useful manner. Do you list "Fornits Junkie" on your resume? "
Do you list it on yours? Did you not just make a post here? Now, following your logic, that "Posting on Fornits" makes one a "junkie", I have to ask: would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Republican n. A liberty despising, money worshiping, control freak. Democrat n. A liberty despising, social engineering, control freak.
-- Anonymous
[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-12-18 11:35 ]"
LOL My 8 posts over the past couple months hardly falls into your 800 PLUS over the past who knows how long, which would fall into the JUNKIE category.
And to the other poster before, I wasn't in LIFE."
(http://http://h1.ripway.com/Nihilanthic/sincewhen.jpg)
See where it says "joined 2003-07-21"? Thats almost two and a half years ago, which is over 800 days. One post per day is *NOT* Junkie, retard.
Furthermore, as you dont have a screenname to identify yourself, there is no way to know if youre a liar or not. Why not fess up and start being accountable with a screenname?Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1500 years.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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LOL My 8 posts over the past couple months hardly falls into your 800 PLUS over the past who knows how long, which would fall into the JUNKIE category.
And to the other poster before, I wasn't in LIFE."
Ever read the stats, genius? Here are mine:
- 2003-07-21 09:06:41 <-- This is when I arrived
- (1.01 Messages per day) <-- These are my average messages per day.
Yes, I have access to a computer all day long, so it's quite easy to drop a message here and there. I send ten times the amount of email per day - does that make me an email junkie too?
I normally don't indulge personal attacks - but you're too funny. How much time out of my regularly scheduled life do you actually think it takes to drop a post? Really now - you probably spend more time thinking about your latest trolling effort! :grin:
Curious.. since you weren't in LIFE, what program were you in? Are you just here to amuse yourself?
Who needs a life???
:lol: If triangles had a God, He'd have three sides.
--Old Yiddish proverb