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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 10, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
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I just had a major insight.
Background: Many of the comments on this website note that Hyde has some classic cult features. The article by James Traub about Hyde in the Hoover Institution publication reinforces what many of us have observed during our time at Hyde. In addition, a couple of people on this website have observed that Joe Gauld has some of the classic features of a cult leader, including narcissism. (Recently at a Hyde weekend I saw Joe Gauld "hold court" with Hyde parents and do that routine where he goes around the room and "diagnoses" parents and their circumstances, parenting instincts, etc. I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Well, I just came across a document, unexpectedly, that REALLY helps me understand what Joe Gauld is all about. It's the formal definition of narcissism used by the American Psychiatric Association in its diagnositic manual. When I read this the lightbulb went on! For those of you who know Joe Gauld and have watched him in action, observed how he treats Hyde parents and students, how he patronizes and demeans others and draws attention to himself, how he explodes on occasion and arrogantly assumes that he has the answers . . . keep all of this in mind as you read the American Psychiatric Association's definition of narcissistic personality disorder. I can't believe the overlap between Joe Gauld's profile and this definition. Here it is (quoted word for word):
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Diagnostic Criteria
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
It has taken my family and me some time to really understand Hyde and its all-too-often destructive influence. This APA summary has helped me get a handle on what's going on at Hyde. This makes me more determined than ever to let parents who are considering Hyde know what they'd encounter if they enroll.
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You are a bit too dramatic for my taste. Let's get real here people. You Have TOO much time to divulge such grossly false information. Get a grip, and get it fast. Ugh, you guys need a new hobby. Hyde's not the problem, look in the mirror for once in your sad life, and take responsibiliy for your own actions. Hard to fathom you nuts.
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It isn't helpful when you decide to demean people who post on this site. You come across as an arrogant jerk, which makes it hard to take anything you say seriously. Say something constructive, Hyde's Attorney, or keep it to yourself.
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On 2005-12-10 13:54:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"You are a bit too dramatic for my taste. Let's get real here people. You Have TOO much time to divulge such grossly false information. Get a grip, and get it fast. Ugh, you guys need a new hobby. Hyde's not the problem, look in the mirror for once in your sad life, and take responsibiliy for your own actions. Hard to fathom you nuts."
First, what's the false information? Second, my life isn't sad. It's quite wonderful, particularly now that I have a much better understanding of all the reasons to get away from Hyde.
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I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Was this me?? Are you talking about a meeting that occured on November 4th? If so, we've got to talk!
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On 2005-12-10 13:54:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"You are a bit too dramatic for my taste. Let's get real here people. You Have TOO much time to divulge such grossly false information. Get a grip, and get it fast. Ugh, you guys need a new hobby. Hyde's not the problem, look in the mirror for once in your sad life, and take responsibiliy for your own actions. Hard to fathom you nuts."
Each time you post a comment you provide more ammunition for those who want to confirm that Hyde is a destructive environment. You are doing Hyde more harm than good with your immature comments. If that's your agenda, you are succeeding.
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On 2005-12-10 13:54:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"You are a bit too dramatic for my taste. Let's get real here people. You Have TOO much time to divulge such grossly false information. Get a grip, and get it fast. Ugh, you guys need a new hobby. Hyde's not the problem, look in the mirror for once in your sad life, and take responsibiliy for your own actions. Hard to fathom you nuts."
Was I wrong in previous posts when I assumed that you actually represent Hyde in some capacity? Sure sounds that way. Tell us who you really are.
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Ask Joseph Gauld who I am. I'm sure he'd be glad to inform you people exactly who it is that I am.
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On 2005-12-10 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ask Joseph Gauld who I am. I'm sure he'd be glad to inform you people exactly who it is that I am."
Forgive me, I forgot to sign in, though obviously you knew it was I.
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If you nuts have a problem with a business (which is exactly what The Hyde School is) report it to the Better Business Bureau, not this garbage bin!
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On 2005-12-10 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ask Joseph Gauld who I am. I'm sure he'd be glad to inform you people exactly who it is that I am."
Assuming "Hyde's attorney" forgot to register and this is who wrote the last comment -
Nah, if you're who you say you are, you can inform us yourself.
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The cynical views expressed on here are exaggerated too much for me to even begin to tell you people how childish you come across. Lars, as stated before, I have no problems with you or any other half-witted person on this board, but please, be fair. Hyde is a great enviroment for troubled youths.
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On 2005-12-10 14:43:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"If you nuts have a problem with a business (which is exactly what The Hyde School is) report it to the Better Business Bureau, not this garbage bin! "
Although I strongly dislike your approach, and attitude, this does make some sense.
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On 2005-12-10 14:53:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"The cynical views expressed on here are exaggerated too much for me to even begin to tell you people how childish you come across. Lars, as stated before, I have no problems with you or any other half-witted person on this board, but please, be fair. Hyde is a great enviroment for troubled youths.
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Hate to tell you, whoever you are, but the folks here really don't care what you think. You haven't offered anything substantive to the discussion. Also, unless you're a faculty member pretending to be a lawyer (which is what you sound like), most of the people posting here have something you don't - personal experience with the place. Unless you explain why you claim to be Hyde's attorney or offer anything meaningful to the discussion, don't expect anyone here to take you seriously.
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For anyone who is interested, I found the James Traub article referred to above - ironically, the site STARTS with a typical defensive response from Joe Gauld.....
Click on http://www.educationnext.org/20052/4.html (http://www.educationnext.org/20052/4.html) - you will Gauld's letter - in his THIRD line, he mentions "The Moral Imperative" - click on this and you can read Traub's eye-witness observations of his visit to Hyde-Bath
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Mystery solved. The "Hyde's Attorney" appears to be the same clown posting on the Elan board as "Mr. Pink's Attorney." Just ignore.
And wow, as bad as Hyde was, I'm glad didn't go to THAT place. :scared: [ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-10 15:51 ]
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On 2005-12-10 14:53:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"The cynical views expressed on here are exaggerated too much for me to even begin to tell you people how childish you come across. Lars, as stated before, I have no problems with you or any other half-witted person on this board, but please, be fair. Hyde is a great enviroment for troubled youths.
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fuck you. sue me.
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How old are you? Please, keep the expletives to a minimum.
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Be happy you didnt go to "THAT" place, your soft ass would have been kicked around all day, esp in the 80's from what I read...
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On 2005-12-10 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Be happy you didnt go to "THAT" place, your soft ass would have been kicked around all day, esp in the 80's from what I read..."
I'm sure you would've handled it just fine, eh, tough guy? :lol:
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Hyde's a joke, boo-hoo :cry2: :cry2: It was so bad :cry2: It's a cult! :cry2: Try straight or Elan ya little punks
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By the way "Lars" I was in Hyde for 2 1/2 years, didn't exactly love the place by ANY means, but you make it sound like San Quinton..Calm down. Its like going thru any high school for that matter.
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On 2005-12-10 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"By the way "Lars" I was in Hyde for 2 1/2 years, didn't exactly love the place by ANY means, but you make it sound like San Quinton..Calm down. Its like going thru any high school for that matter."
San Quentin, no. But it's a toxic, emotionally abusive place for people who don't thrive on crisis and confrontation. Nobody's saying it's a prison. Sorry if you think folks are overreacting. You're entitled to your opinion. Many people would respectfully disagree.
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On 2005-12-10 16:36:00, Lars wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"By the way "Lars" I was in Hyde for 2 1/2 years, didn't exactly love the place by ANY means, but you make it sound like San Quinton..Calm down. Its like going thru any high school for that matter."
San Quentin, no. But it's a toxic, emotionally abusive place for people who don't thrive on crisis and confrontation. Nobody's saying it's a prison. Sorry if you think folks are overreacting. You're entitled to your opinion. Many people would respectfully disagree."
"Toxic and emotionally abusive" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Riiiiiiight my friend...Thats so typical of the babies that can not get over their little adolescent days at The Hyde School...Grow a sack, will ya buddy??
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I didnt mean to come across so rude, but really!!! Its toxic??? Come on man, chill out, have a glass of wine and reflect on the good times too!!! :wink:
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"Toxic and emotionally abusive" :wink:
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On 2005-12-10 16:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I didnt mean to come across so rude, but really!!! Its toxic??? Come on man, chill out, have a glass of wine and reflect on the good times too!!! :smokin:
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Alright, thats the spirit!! Take it light Lars, sorry for being an a**hole earlier..Enjoy the wine!!
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On 2005-12-10 17:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Alright, thats the spirit!! Take it light Lars, sorry for being an a**hole earlier..Enjoy the wine!!"
Actually, it's Samuel Adams Octoberfest. Perfect for a chilly December evening. ::cheers::
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Excellent taste you have! I love the Sam Adams summer-ale on a hot July afternoon, right after doing some yardwork, playing with kids, or taking a refreshing dip in the pool!~! Enjoy Lars ::burger::
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On 2005-12-10 17:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Excellent taste you have! I love the Sam Adams summer-ale on a hot July afternoon, right after doing some yardwork, playing with kids, or taking a refreshing dip in the pool!~! Enjoy Lars ::burger:: "
Meant to say "playing WITH my kids :smile:
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On 2005-12-10 17:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Excellent taste you have! I love the Sam Adams summer-ale on a hot July afternoon, right after doing some yardwork, playing with kids, or taking a refreshing dip in the pool!~! Enjoy Lars ::bandit:: Anyways, take care.
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On 2005-12-10 17:21:00, Lars wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 17:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Excellent taste you have! I love the Sam Adams summer-ale on a hot July afternoon, right after doing some yardwork, playing with kids, or taking a refreshing dip in the pool!~! Enjoy Lars ::bandit:: Anyways, take care."
Yup, Im an east coaster, but I vacation on the west coast (Napa Valley) and Mexico as well, Ill keep that one in mind! Take it easy Lars my Hyde brother, enjoy the rest of the weekend ( Whats left of it anyway!) :tup:
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On 2005-12-10 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For anyone who is interested, I found the James Traub article referred to above - ironically, the site STARTS with a typical defensive response from Joe Gauld.....
Click on http://www.educationnext.org/20052/4.html (http://www.educationnext.org/20052/4.html) - you will Gauld's letter - in his THIRD line, he mentions "The Moral Imperative" - click on this and you can read Traub's eye-witness observations of his visit to Hyde-Bath"
Here's the full article on Hyde by Traub: http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html (http://www.educationnext.org/20051/22.html)
You're right, this article provides a very accurate portrait of Hyde's cultish qualities. This would be good for parents considering Hyde to read. My guess is that this would scare them away from Hyde.
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On 2005-12-10 15:49:00, Lars wrote:
"Mystery solved. The "Hyde's Attorney" appears to be the same clown posting on the Elan board as "Mr. Pink's Attorney." Just ignore.
And wow, as bad as Hyde was, I'm glad didn't go to THAT place. :scared: [ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-10 15:51 ]"
Excellent work, Larry. It's unfortunate that someone like this "Hyde Attorney" pollutes our efforts to engage in reasonable dialogue about Hyde. As you say, he/she should simply be ignored.
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On 2005-12-10 19:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 15:49:00, Lars wrote:
"Mystery solved. The "Hyde's Attorney" appears to be the same clown posting on the Elan board as "Mr. Pink's Attorney." Just ignore.
And wow, as bad as Hyde was, I'm glad didn't go to THAT place. :scared: [ This Message was edited by: Lars on 2005-12-10 15:51 ]"
Excellent work, Larry. It's unfortunate that someone like this "Hyde Attorney" pollutes our efforts to engage in reasonable dialogue about Hyde. As you say, he/she should simply be ignored."
The guy made some very valid points, either way.
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You guys are pussy's :lol: say what you will, but know I'm right :lol: Hyde is a great school
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On 2005-12-10 22:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You guys are pussy's :lol: say what you will, but know I'm right :lol: Hyde is a great school"
I trust you realize that each time you post a comment like this you demonstrate, in a very public way, how immature some of the people affiliated with Hyde are. This is valuable information for parents who are considering Hyde, Google the school, and find this website and comments like yours. You are doing a fine job of discouraging people from applying to Hyde.
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On 2005-12-10 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just had a major insight.
Background: Many of the comments on this website note that Hyde has some classic cult features. The article by James Traub about Hyde in the Hoover Institution publication reinforces what many of us have observed during our time at Hyde. In addition, a couple of people on this website have observed that Joe Gauld has some of the classic features of a cult leader, including narcissism. (Recently at a Hyde weekend I saw Joe Gauld "hold court" with Hyde parents and do that routine where he goes around the room and "diagnoses" parents and their circumstances, parenting instincts, etc. I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Well, I just came across a document, unexpectedly, that REALLY helps me understand what Joe Gauld is all about. It's the formal definition of narcissism used by the American Psychiatric Association in its diagnositic manual. When I read this the lightbulb went on! For those of you who know Joe Gauld and have watched him in action, observed how he treats Hyde parents and students, how he patronizes and demeans others and draws attention to himself, how he explodes on occasion and arrogantly assumes that he has the answers . . . keep all of this in mind as you read the American Psychiatric Association's definition of narcissistic personality disorder. I can't believe the overlap between Joe Gauld's profile and this definition. Here it is (quoted word for word):
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Diagnostic Criteria
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
It has taken my family and me some time to really understand Hyde and its all-too-often destructive influence. This APA summary has helped me get a handle on what's going on at Hyde. This makes me more determined than ever to let parents who are considering Hyde know what they'd encounter if they enroll."
This summary of the American Psychiatric Association's definition of narcissistic personality disorder is an AMAZINGLY accurate summary of Joe Gauld.
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OMG, this is SO Joe Gauld. Thanks for diagnosing him. At least it is a little easier to understand the craziness of that place now!
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On 2005-12-11 03:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 22:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You guys are pussy's :wink:
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This definition of narcissism IS JOE GAULD. I sure wouldn't want my child to go to a school which is run by someone who has Narcissism!!
This is quite frightening and answers many of the questions I had while at Hyde. I knew this man was an Ego Maniac, but this goes a bit futher explaining what his issues are. Isn't he also a recovering alcoholic?
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He's a recovering asshole too! Megalomaniacal wierdo who's obsessed at seeing others FAIL.
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On 2005-12-11 12:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"He's a recovering asshole too! Megalomaniacal wierdo who's obsessed at seeing others FAIL."
Think what you will, but Hyde School is one that teaches exceptional values and morals, while being sensitive to the needs of our students and faculty. And I have absolutley NO IDEA who "Pink's Attorney" is, nor do I care. I have NOTHING to do with the sick, twisted Elan School.
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I have also encouraged Joseph Gauld to review this board and perhaps set up a conference call with the people who have something to say about Joe's qualitys and actions and the state of The Hyde School itself. I'll keep you informed of any and all happenings. Have a great evening folks.
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On 2005-12-11 13:09:00, Hyde's Attorney wrote:
"I have also encouraged Joseph Gauld to review this board and perhaps set up a conference call with the people who have something to say about Joe's qualitys and actions and the state of The Hyde School itself. I'll keep you informed of any and all happenings. Have a great evening folks."
Anything you have to say is irrelevant as long as you hide behind this "Hyde's attorney" garbage! I am certain you are not who you say you are nor do you have an association with Joe Gauld as you claim. Even Joe would not be stupid enough to have someone like you speak for him.
I am sorry to sound so rough, but I have spent a lot of time trying to acknowledge or dispute information on this board and you do not seem to be a sincere person, but instead are trying to play head games. If you did go to Hyde, I strongly suggest you look at the "five words" and try to practice them! If you are not interested in being honest and mature, then please go post on another board!
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Im not on anyone's side here, but you dont have to speak so rudely to "attorney". Learn some fucking manners and stop sounding so anal. It makes the ones who are opposed to Hyde look bad.
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On 2005-12-11 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im not on anyone's side here, but you dont have to speak so rudely to "attorney". Learn some fucking manners and stop sounding so anal. It makes the ones who are opposed to Hyde look bad. "
I agree, but is the foul language really necessary ?
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On 2005-12-11 05:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just had a major insight.
Background: Many of the comments on this website note that Hyde has some classic cult features. The article by James Traub about Hyde in the Hoover Institution publication reinforces what many of us have observed during our time at Hyde. In addition, a couple of people on this website have observed that Joe Gauld has some of the classic features of a cult leader, including narcissism. (Recently at a Hyde weekend I saw Joe Gauld "hold court" with Hyde parents and do that routine where he goes around the room and "diagnoses" parents and their circumstances, parenting instincts, etc. I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Well, I just came across a document, unexpectedly, that REALLY helps me understand what Joe Gauld is all about. It's the formal definition of narcissism used by the American Psychiatric Association in its diagnositic manual. When I read this the lightbulb went on! For those of you who know Joe Gauld and have watched him in action, observed how he treats Hyde parents and students, how he patronizes and demeans others and draws attention to himself, how he explodes on occasion and arrogantly assumes that he has the answers . . . keep all of this in mind as you read the American Psychiatric Association's definition of narcissistic personality disorder. I can't believe the overlap between Joe Gauld's profile and this definition. Here it is (quoted word for word):
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Diagnostic Criteria
A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
It has taken my family and me some time to really understand Hyde and its all-too-often destructive influence. This APA summary has helped me get a handle on what's going on at Hyde. This makes me more determined than ever to let parents who are considering Hyde know what they'd encounter if they enroll."
This summary of the American Psychiatric Association's definition of narcissistic personality disorder is an AMAZINGLY accurate summary of Joe Gauld."
"I also agree. This is the definition of Mr. Gauld, I could not have said it better myself."
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On 2005-12-11 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-11 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im not on anyone's side here, but you dont have to speak so rudely to "attorney". Learn some fucking manners and stop sounding so anal. It makes the ones who are opposed to Hyde look bad. "
I agree, but is the foul language really necessary ?"
Yes. Yes, it is fucking necessary. It's a fucking absolute mother-fucking goddamn necessity. Now fucking carry the fuck on.
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On 2005-12-12 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-11 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-11 16:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im not on anyone's side here, but you dont have to speak so rudely to "attorney". Learn some fucking manners and stop sounding so anal. It makes the ones who are opposed to Hyde look bad. "
I agree, but is the foul language really necessary ?"
Yes. Yes, it is fucking necessary. It's a fucking absolute mother-fucking goddamn necessity. Now fucking carry the fuck on.
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If you feel the need to use this language please go somewhere else. It is completely inappropriate. Grow up!!
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I don't know what they would have done to his soft ass at "THAT" place but rest assured we wiped the sweat off the wrestling mat with LARS face on a daily basis.
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On 2005-12-12 15:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know what they would have done to his soft ass at "THAT" place but rest assured we wiped the sweat off the wrestling mat with LARS face on a daily basis. "
So who are you? I beat most of the other wrestlers there pretty easily. Just curious.
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On 2005-12-12 17:49:00, Lars wrote:
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On 2005-12-12 15:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know what they would have done to his soft ass at "THAT" place but rest assured we wiped the sweat off the wrestling mat with LARS face on a daily basis. "
So who are you? I beat most of the other wrestlers there pretty easily. Just curious."
No way!!! :lol:
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No way!!! ::bangin::
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Wasn't that me, a male, on Novemer 4th, 2005?
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Hyde is a soft cake walk, get over it already!
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On 2005-12-10 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Do you know what Joe knows about this person? I ask because you provide no details or the substance of the conversation and more importantly, how much information Joe may have about this person or their family, without which, I don't know how you can reach any conclusion. That is, you only say one side of the story, through your personal filter, and then made your own conclusions.
If someone is a really bad parent completely fucking up their child or with totally screwed up priorities, I have no issue with shaking them up. You want touchy-feely go somewhere else. You want someone to tell you their truth at any cost, regardless of whether its right or wrong, but with enough experience to at least have a better idea than most on the topic, then go to Hyde.
By providing no information except conclusions which you matched up against a DSM definition, not a big surprise that they match, don't you think?
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On 2006-02-18 12:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-10 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
I witnessed a horrible incident where Gauld confronted one particular parent, demeaned the parent horribly, and eventually "ordered" the parent to leave. I couldn't believe Gauld's gall and audacity. That incident convinced me, more than ever, that Hyde is a very dangerous environment.)
Do you know what Joe knows about this person? I ask because you provide no details or the substance of the conversation and more importantly, how much information Joe may have about this person or their family, without which, I don't know how you can reach any conclusion. That is, you only say one side of the story, through your personal filter, and then made your own conclusions.
If someone is a really bad parent completely fucking up their child or with totally screwed up priorities, I have no issue with shaking them up. You want touchy-feely go somewhere else. You want someone to tell you their truth at any cost, regardless of whether its right or wrong, but with enough experience to at least have a better idea than most on the topic, then go to Hyde.
By providing no information except conclusions which you matched up against a DSM definition, not a big surprise that they match, don't you think?"
I too have seen Joe Gauld "lose it" with parents. You may think this is justified. I don't. It's fine with me if a Hyde administrator gives parents helpful feedback and even challenge parents to address their own issues. What I can't accept is Joe Gauld's haughty, arrogant, dismissive, rude behavior. That is very poor role modeling and a very destructive way for adults to treat one another. Heaven only knows how they treat the students when we're not there.
Whoever posted the observation about Gauld to which you are responding is perceptive, I think. What that person described is not an isolated incident. I've seen a number of these Joe Gauld incidents myself; I think they're inexcusable.
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I love Hyde School.
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Hey,
I love hyde too. I can't believe they still let Joe out of his cage. I saw him do that kind of stuff in the 70's. Did you know his real name is Joseph Smith? Now who would follow a guy named Joe Smith? I kid, I kid, I love mormons. I heard he beat a kid in the 80's after the Black's put him back in charge. The BOD sent him to hawaii to unwind for a couple of months. Poor Joe! He was tense.
Sid Smith
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On 2006-03-03 20:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Hey,
I love hyde too. I can't believe they still let Joe out of his cage. I saw him do that kind of stuff in the 70's. Did you know his real name is Joseph Smith? Now who would follow a guy named Joe Smith? I kid, I kid, I love mormons. I heard he beat a kid in the 80's after the Black's put him back in charge. The BOD sent him to hawaii to unwind for a couple of months. Poor Joe! He was tense.
Sid Smith
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It does not surprise me that Joe Gauld would physically beat a kid. I was there when one of his family members in a high position choked a kid. It also wouldn't surprise me if something much worse has happened at the school. Hyde is great at trying to cover up the "bad stuff" so it is doubtful we will ever get the true history about Hyde.
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Hey
Ed Legg? Are you out there? Say a few words about Joe.
Sid Smith
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I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude".
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
You either think the Pope is infalable or you don't. If you don't you're not Catholic. Perhaps hyde needs a Martin Luther.
John Wesley
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
I too have witnessed many times when Joe Gauld lost it with both parents and students. It amazes me that the rest of the Hyde staff tolerate this kind of behavior. Of course, it may be that they condone it and see nothing wrong with it. Or maybe some of the Hyde staff are intimidated by Joe Gauld. Whatever the case, this man's inappropriate public displays do lots of damage to the school's reputation. It's sad that some of the staff seem to mimic his style, which only adds to the growing impression that Hyde is not a good place for most kids and their parents. I can't believe that so many people go to Hyde despite its reputation. What I've come to realize is that many parents fall for the Hyde "spin" and then figure out how bad it is once they get there. Perhaps that's why there's so much turnover and a high drop-out rate.
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism.
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school.
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
Consider yourself among the very fortunate who have managed to avoid Joe Gauld and his lieutenants. Although he occasionally has constructive things to say, more often Gauld is full of contradictions and is the perfect model of what NOT to do when working with adolescents. The ultimate irony is that Gauld's hissy fits and public in-your face, finger-pointing rants and tantrums resemble the adolescent behavior that Hyde claims it addresses. Imagine that - a school administrator who says that Hyde is where you ought to send your misbehaving, out-of-control adolescent, and then the adolescent gets to model himself after the CEO who often behaves like a misbehaving, out-of-control adolescent. How weird is that?
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Since Joe's Heart Attack two years ago...he's mellowed considerably.
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I am serious, you are talkin' 'bout Momma.
>Why would anyone send their child to a school >like Hyde
You are implicitly questioning my mother's intent and intellegence.
Merle
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/hagg ... d-507.html (http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/haggard-merle/mama-tried-507.html)
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I take great umbrage with your pejorative "weird". I assure you I would never have taught at a "weird" institution. Hyde was unusual by design. As far as Joe's foibles remember the pearl is born from the sickness of the oyster. As the beauty of the pearl is born out of disease and suffering, so are knowledge, noble human nature and purified human feeling born out of suffering and pain. Hyde has provided many student with the suffering they needed to grow into full complete humans. Plus it gave Jean and I a great place to play bridge with the Gaulds.
Sumner Hawley
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On 2006-03-24 09:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I take great umbrage with your pejorative "weird". I assure you I would never have taught at a "weird" institution. Hyde was unusual by design. As far as Joe's foibles remember the pearl is born from the sickness of the oyster. As the beauty of the pearl is born out of disease and suffering, so are knowledge, noble human nature and purified human feeling born out of suffering and pain. Hyde has provided many student with the suffering they needed to grow into full complete humans. Plus it gave Jean and I a great place to play bridge with the Gaulds.
Sumner Hawley"
Nice try. Sumner Hawley died more than a decade ago.
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On 2006-03-24 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 09:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I take great umbrage with your pejorative "weird". I assure you I would never have taught at a "weird" institution. Hyde was unusual by design. As far as Joe's foibles remember the pearl is born from the sickness of the oyster. As the beauty of the pearl is born out of disease and suffering, so are knowledge, noble human nature and purified human feeling born out of suffering and pain. Hyde has provided many student with the suffering they needed to grow into full complete humans. Plus it gave Jean and I a great place to play bridge with the Gaulds.
Sumner Hawley"
Nice try. Sumner Hawley died more than a decade ago. "
I am immortal, not because I alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because I have a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance.
Sumner
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On 2006-03-24 14:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 09:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I take great umbrage with your pejorative "weird". I assure you I would never have taught at a "weird" institution. Hyde was unusual by design. As far as Joe's foibles remember the pearl is born from the sickness of the oyster. As the beauty of the pearl is born out of disease and suffering, so are knowledge, noble human nature and purified human feeling born out of suffering and pain. Hyde has provided many student with the suffering they needed to grow into full complete humans. Plus it gave Jean and I a great place to play bridge with the Gaulds.
Sumner Hawley"
Nice try. Sumner Hawley died more than a decade ago. "
I am immortal, not because I alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because I have a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance.
Sumner"
As a parent who is trying to find information about schools for struggling kids, I don't find your comments helpful or amusing. I didn't visit this site for entertainment, but for serious help.
I have no idea whether you're really affiliated with the Hyde School. The more I read about Hyde the more concerned I get about the kind of school it is. Comments like yours don't help. Please stop. Thank you.
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On 2006-03-24 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 14:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 13:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-24 09:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-23 04:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-22 08:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've personally seen Joe lose it with staff in DC as well. Anytime someone questions what he says or challenges him in ANY way, he automatically says "this is probably not the place for you". You can not have your own opinions or disagree with him or the administration because then you're not "embracing the process" or "you have a bad attitude"."
Seems to me that the person who compared Gauld with the definition of "narcissistic personality disorder" hit the nail squarely on its head. Why would anyone send their child to a school like Hyde that follows that man's lead? No wonder Hyde is the target of so much criticism."
Watch it bud. My momma sent me to Hyde. Don't be talking 'bout my momma.
Merle Haggard"
Seems we have a comedian on this site. You are definitely entertaining Sid, or Meryl or whoever you are! I get the feeling you went to Hyde many years ago. According to what I am reading it seems Hyde has not changed one bit from all those years ago even though laws have changed and a stronger liability exists for Hyde. Do you think they are so arrogant that they don't care? What's the deal with this Joe Gauld? Does he think he is a prophet or God? I did not go to Hyde nor do I have a child who goes there, but I was researching boarding schools and came across this very interesting and amusing board. Hyde is definitely not for my son, but I have enjoyed reading up on this weird school."
I take great umbrage with your pejorative "weird". I assure you I would never have taught at a "weird" institution. Hyde was unusual by design. As far as Joe's foibles remember the pearl is born from the sickness of the oyster. As the beauty of the pearl is born out of disease and suffering, so are knowledge, noble human nature and purified human feeling born out of suffering and pain. Hyde has provided many student with the suffering they needed to grow into full complete humans. Plus it gave Jean and I a great place to play bridge with the Gaulds.
Sumner Hawley"
Nice try. Sumner Hawley died more than a decade ago. "
I am immortal, not because I alone among creatures has an inexhaustible voice, but because I have a soul, a spirit capable of compassion and sacrifice and endurance.
Sumner"
As a parent who is trying to find information about schools for struggling kids, I don't find your comments helpful or amusing. I didn't visit this site for entertainment, but for serious help.
I have no idea whether you're really affiliated with the Hyde School. The more I read about Hyde the more concerned I get about the kind of school it is. Comments like yours don't help. Please stop. Thank you."
hey this is a open forum. However you are say what ever you want. Everyone else does.
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I love The Hyde School.
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On 2006-03-26 13:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love The Hyde School."
Anyone know the hyde school song?
Boom boom boom boom. We are the souls of Hyde. Lets have a web forum sing along. I will go get my pitch pipe.
Jim Searles
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Jim Searles had perfect pitch...he never used a pitch pipe!
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On 2006-03-27 05:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Jim Searles had perfect pitch...he never used a pitch pipe!"
Damn, you have a good memory. So what are the lyrics to the school song? Marsha and I would like to sing it at our next gig.
Todd Donahue
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Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom.
We Come, We Come
We come with a shout and a song.
Singing always, as we go marching on.
We are a merry, happy-go-lucky throng,
We are the Souls of Hyde...boom, boom, boom.
We're the chosen band,
United by true friendship's ties.
Swell the joyous strain,
To meet the echos from on high,
Oh won't you listen to the song,
We sing as we go marching by.
We'll give a cheer for five words dear,
And for all the souls of Hyde.
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On 2006-03-27 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom.
We Come, We Come
We come with a shout and a song.
Singing always, as we go marching on.
We are a merry, happy-go-lucky throng,
We are the Souls of Hyde...boom, boom, boom.
We're the chosen band,
United by true friendship's ties.
Swell the joyous strain,
To meet the echos from on high,
Oh won't you listen to the song,
We sing as we go marching by.
We'll give a cheer for five words dear,
And for all the souls of Hyde."
http://www.adps.org/manuals/ADPS-Pledge ... ersion.pdf (http://www.adps.org/manuals/ADPS-Pledge-book-version.pdf)
The Marching Song (We Come)
C.S. Smith, Amherst, 1874
(Tune: ?Ubi Bene?)
We come, we come, we come with a shout and a song,
Singing always as we go marching on,
We are a merry, happy-go-lucky throng
In Alpha Delta Phi.
We're the chosen band,
United by true friendship's tie.
Swell the joyous strain
To meet the echoes from on high.
Listen to the song
We sing as we go marching by.
We'll give a cheer for
And for Alpha Delta Phi.
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It's also close to the Bowdoin song
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On 2006-03-27 09:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom.
We Come, We Come
We come with a shout and a song.
Singing always, as we go marching on.
We are a merry, happy-go-lucky throng,
We are the Souls of Hyde...boom, boom, boom.
We're the chosen band,
United by true friendship's ties.
Swell the joyous strain,
To meet the echos from on high,
Oh won't you listen to the song,
We sing as we go marching by.
We'll give a cheer for five words dear,
And for all the souls of Hyde."
Hey thanks. We will work it in right before Farewell Angelina.
Todd
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Dear Hyde-DC Faculty;
I apologize for the length of this email, but I ask you to read it thoughtfully, because I believe the basic issue is critical to what Hyde-DC could and should be.
Now that you all have had to think about and respond to the Wednesday Wrap up Confrontation, I want to address what I believe to be the deeper issue that was involved.
I was encouraged by faculty members who made it a point to express their appreciation for what I did, but disappointed that only one faculty member directly addressed his concerns and strong disapproval for my performance. If I am reading the entire faculty correctly, there were many more who were also upset with the way I handled the situation. If so, the fact they have yet to directly express their disapproval or concerns to me or Joanne signifies a serious weakness in faculty leadership.
Further, speaking frankly, I don?t believe Ms. Cooke would have refused my directive to stop if she did not feel strong faculty support for her position. Events eventually made it clear that some middle school teachers have been upset by the leadership conflict between Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and the wrap up became the very wrong choice to vent those concerns. What happened was very disrespectful to both Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and their extensive efforts to resolve the leadership issue of Mr. Djassou.
However, I feel the larger problem at the wrap up was the failure of senior faculty members to provide moral leadership for the entire faculty. If such behavior was in fact known to be unacceptable to veteran faculty members, this professional confrontation and breakdown in authority would never have occurred.
Hyde uniquely addresses personal growth of teachers as well as students, parents and families. However seminars are expressly designed for this purpose, which are distinctly separate from our professional responsibilities. If there are internal conflicts and concerns, they should be directed to Joanne?s administration, and not in a public forum like a wrap up.
This ugly situation revealed a huge gap in Hyde?s discipline, and a damaging weakness in our administrative structure. Joanne had asked me to conduct the wrap up, which became sidetracked by issues that should have been addressed to Joanne directly and had no business being expressed in a professional workshop. Once it got out of hand, I asked Ms. Cooke 3 times to stop, finally directing her to leave. The fact that many faculty members left with or after Ms. Cooke revealed a major teacher insubordination of Hyde authority.
At this point my anger was directed at the faculty as a whole; how could the faculty tolerate and remain oblivious to this blatant example of unprofessional behavior and its damage to our organization? How many teachers have expressed their concerns to those who acted unprofessionally? Clearly there is a double standard at Hyde; accepting and sometimes even supporting attitudes and behavior of colleagues they definitely would never tolerate in their students.
This situation was perhaps the biggest disappointment in my 53 years of teaching; I had felt Hyde-DC was much farther along than this. However I do believe in the overall potential of the DC faculty, and I am very hopeful the situation will trigger the emergence of the moral leaders in our faculty.
I am examining how I might have handled the situation more effectively. I also believe it is critical for every faculty member to thoughtfully examine their own role. If we are going to accept the moral leadership role with our students, we certainly must express it with each other.
Those concerned with the Djassou-Goubourn conflict should have taken their concerns directly to Joanne; she is the moral leader and ultimate authority of the Hyde community. Equally important, other faculty members should have urged them to do so. The responsibility begins not with the administration, but with the faculty. This is the example the entire Hyde community needs. We cannot lead students and parents if we cannot lead ourselves.
One of the greatest strengths I see in the Hyde-Bath and Hyde-Woodstock faculties is their ability to examine themselves and acknowledge their shortcomings and mistakes?an absolutely essential quality of leaders. They do have the advantage of experiencing deeper seminars than we presently have in DC, but it is a challenge we must address in DC. We have too many situations where the first impulse is to protect oneself from constructive criticism, which is a powerful means to help us become our best.
We all need to understand the structure of Hyde. Hyde-DC seeks to become a powerful and nationally recognized educational organization, which deserves to be replicated. We are governed by a dedicated group of nine trustees, including two Hyde parents, who regularly assess and guide the leadership of our head of school.
At their meeting last Thursday, the board strongly expressed their confidence and trust in Ms. Goubourn?s leadership. However they also directed her to reduce her working hours until she resolves her medical situation. Adding to this the vital training period of Dr. Frierson to manage the school, we should all realize that the emergence of the moral leadership of the faculty is more important than ever before.
We recently had the national example of what Terrell Owen?s ego did to undermine the proud Philadelphia Eagles organization. The lesson is that no individual is greater than the whole. The Eagles may struggle this season, but they have restored the integrity of their institution.
?When the going gets tough, the tough get going.? I know there are potentially strong leaders in our DC faculty, and I look forward to their emergence.
Have a happy Thanksgiving. Regards Joe
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He apologizes for the length of the email. What is your point. He write long emails?
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On 2006-03-29 13:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dear Hyde-DC Faculty;
I apologize for the length of this email, but I ask you to read it thoughtfully, because I believe the basic issue is critical to what Hyde-DC could and should be.
Now that you all have had to think about and respond to the Wednesday Wrap up Confrontation, I want to address what I believe to be the deeper issue that was involved.
I was encouraged by faculty members who made it a point to express their appreciation for what I did, but disappointed that only one faculty member directly addressed his concerns and strong disapproval for my performance. If I am reading the entire faculty correctly, there were many more who were also upset with the way I handled the situation. If so, the fact they have yet to directly express their disapproval or concerns to me or Joanne signifies a serious weakness in faculty leadership.
Further, speaking frankly, I don?t believe Ms. Cooke would have refused my directive to stop if she did not feel strong faculty support for her position. Events eventually made it clear that some middle school teachers have been upset by the leadership conflict between Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and the wrap up became the very wrong choice to vent those concerns. What happened was very disrespectful to both Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and their extensive efforts to resolve the leadership issue of Mr. Djassou.
However, I feel the larger problem at the wrap up was the failure of senior faculty members to provide moral leadership for the entire faculty. If such behavior was in fact known to be unacceptable to veteran faculty members, this professional confrontation and breakdown in authority would never have occurred.
Hyde uniquely addresses personal growth of teachers as well as students, parents and families. However seminars are expressly designed for this purpose, which are distinctly separate from our professional responsibilities. If there are internal conflicts and concerns, they should be directed to Joanne?s administration, and not in a public forum like a wrap up.
This ugly situation revealed a huge gap in Hyde?s discipline, and a damaging weakness in our administrative structure. Joanne had asked me to conduct the wrap up, which became sidetracked by issues that should have been addressed to Joanne directly and had no business being expressed in a professional workshop. Once it got out of hand, I asked Ms. Cooke 3 times to stop, finally directing her to leave. The fact that many faculty members left with or after Ms. Cooke revealed a major teacher insubordination of Hyde authority.
At this point my anger was directed at the faculty as a whole; how could the faculty tolerate and remain oblivious to this blatant example of unprofessional behavior and its damage to our organization? How many teachers have expressed their concerns to those who acted unprofessionally? Clearly there is a double standard at Hyde; accepting and sometimes even supporting attitudes and behavior of colleagues they definitely would never tolerate in their students.
This situation was perhaps the biggest disappointment in my 53 years of teaching; I had felt Hyde-DC was much farther along than this. However I do believe in the overall potential of the DC faculty, and I am very hopeful the situation will trigger the emergence of the moral leaders in our faculty.
I am examining how I might have handled the situation more effectively. I also believe it is critical for every faculty member to thoughtfully examine their own role. If we are going to accept the moral leadership role with our students, we certainly must express it with each other.
Those concerned with the Djassou-Goubourn conflict should have taken their concerns directly to Joanne; she is the moral leader and ultimate authority of the Hyde community. Equally important, other faculty members should have urged them to do so. The responsibility begins not with the administration, but with the faculty. This is the example the entire Hyde community needs. We cannot lead students and parents if we cannot lead ourselves.
One of the greatest strengths I see in the Hyde-Bath and Hyde-Woodstock faculties is their ability to examine themselves and acknowledge their shortcomings and mistakes?an absolutely essential quality of leaders. They do have the advantage of experiencing deeper seminars than we presently have in DC, but it is a challenge we must address in DC. We have too many situations where the first impulse is to protect oneself from constructive criticism, which is a powerful means to help us become our best.
We all need to understand the structure of Hyde. Hyde-DC seeks to become a powerful and nationally recognized educational organization, which deserves to be replicated. We are governed by a dedicated group of nine trustees, including two Hyde parents, who regularly assess and guide the leadership of our head of school.
At their meeting last Thursday, the board strongly expressed their confidence and trust in Ms. Goubourn?s leadership. However they also directed her to reduce her working hours until she resolves her medical situation. Adding to this the vital training period of Dr. Frierson to manage the school, we should all realize that the emergence of the moral leadership of the faculty is more important than ever before.
We recently had the national example of what Terrell Owen?s ego did to undermine the proud Philadelphia Eagles organization. The lesson is that no individual is greater than the whole. The Eagles may struggle this season, but they have restored the integrity of their institution.
?When the going gets tough, the tough get going.? I know there are potentially strong leaders in our DC faculty, and I look forward to their emergence.
Have a happy Thanksgiving. Regards Joe
"
I'm assuming this lengthy email was written by Joe Gauld following some sort of big blow up at Hyde-DC. Why am I not at all surprised that there's chaos and conflict at a Hyde school? Isn't it amazing how controversy, confrontation, and poor behavior emerge in Hyde settings up and down the coast? I have visited lots of schools in my time and never have I encountered such an amazing pattern of morale problems, bad behavior, and internal dispute as I have at Hyde. How is it possible that so many people tolerate this very poor excuse for education and so-called character education?
I'm fascinated by Joe's own statement above: "The lesson is that no individual is greater than the whole." Anyone who has spent any significant amount of time around Joe Gauld knows that his own behavior is the height of hypocrisy. He's the guy who stands or sits with parents and lectures them endlessly about what's wrong with their lives, how they need Hyde, is willing to kick them out of the room like a testy parent, and all that. It's laughable that Joe Gauld would tell others that no individual is greater than the whole. His arrogance is beyond words.
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Yeh I would much rather put my kid in a school with a bunch of NEA hacks doing a nine to five, counting the days until they retire and don't give a fuck about my kid, with gang bangers dealing dope and carrying on school grounds. The fact is the kids in that school have something that can not be found in any other school in that neighborhood, a disiplined enviroment to study in. If that was the only thing Old Joe G did in his life it would be far more worthy in terms of the social contract then the contributions of many of the folk posting on this board myself included.
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On 2006-03-29 14:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-29 13:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dear Hyde-DC Faculty;
I apologize for the length of this email, but I ask you to read it thoughtfully, because I believe the basic issue is critical to what Hyde-DC could and should be.
Now that you all have had to think about and respond to the Wednesday Wrap up Confrontation, I want to address what I believe to be the deeper issue that was involved.
I was encouraged by faculty members who made it a point to express their appreciation for what I did, but disappointed that only one faculty member directly addressed his concerns and strong disapproval for my performance. If I am reading the entire faculty correctly, there were many more who were also upset with the way I handled the situation. If so, the fact they have yet to directly express their disapproval or concerns to me or Joanne signifies a serious weakness in faculty leadership.
Further, speaking frankly, I don?t believe Ms. Cooke would have refused my directive to stop if she did not feel strong faculty support for her position. Events eventually made it clear that some middle school teachers have been upset by the leadership conflict between Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and the wrap up became the very wrong choice to vent those concerns. What happened was very disrespectful to both Mr. Djassou and Ms. Goubourn, and their extensive efforts to resolve the leadership issue of Mr. Djassou.
However, I feel the larger problem at the wrap up was the failure of senior faculty members to provide moral leadership for the entire faculty. If such behavior was in fact known to be unacceptable to veteran faculty members, this professional confrontation and breakdown in authority would never have occurred.
Hyde uniquely addresses personal growth of teachers as well as students, parents and families. However seminars are expressly designed for this purpose, which are distinctly separate from our professional responsibilities. If there are internal conflicts and concerns, they should be directed to Joanne?s administration, and not in a public forum like a wrap up.
This ugly situation revealed a huge gap in Hyde?s discipline, and a damaging weakness in our administrative structure. Joanne had asked me to conduct the wrap up, which became sidetracked by issues that should have been addressed to Joanne directly and had no business being expressed in a professional workshop. Once it got out of hand, I asked Ms. Cooke 3 times to stop, finally directing her to leave. The fact that many faculty members left with or after Ms. Cooke revealed a major teacher insubordination of Hyde authority.
At this point my anger was directed at the faculty as a whole; how could the faculty tolerate and remain oblivious to this blatant example of unprofessional behavior and its damage to our organization? How many teachers have expressed their concerns to those who acted unprofessionally? Clearly there is a double standard at Hyde; accepting and sometimes even supporting attitudes and behavior of colleagues they definitely would never tolerate in their students.
This situation was perhaps the biggest disappointment in my 53 years of teaching; I had felt Hyde-DC was much farther along than this. However I do believe in the overall potential of the DC faculty, and I am very hopeful the situation will trigger the emergence of the moral leaders in our faculty.
I am examining how I might have handled the situation more effectively. I also believe it is critical for every faculty member to thoughtfully examine their own role. If we are going to accept the moral leadership role with our students, we certainly must express it with each other.
Those concerned with the Djassou-Goubourn conflict should have taken their concerns directly to Joanne; she is the moral leader and ultimate authority of the Hyde community. Equally important, other faculty members should have urged them to do so. The responsibility begins not with the administration, but with the faculty. This is the example the entire Hyde community needs. We cannot lead students and parents if we cannot lead ourselves.
One of the greatest strengths I see in the Hyde-Bath and Hyde-Woodstock faculties is their ability to examine themselves and acknowledge their shortcomings and mistakes?an absolutely essential quality of leaders. They do have the advantage of experiencing deeper seminars than we presently have in DC, but it is a challenge we must address in DC. We have too many situations where the first impulse is to protect oneself from constructive criticism, which is a powerful means to help us become our best.
We all need to understand the structure of Hyde. Hyde-DC seeks to become a powerful and nationally recognized educational organization, which deserves to be replicated. We are governed by a dedicated group of nine trustees, including two Hyde parents, who regularly assess and guide the leadership of our head of school.
At their meeting last Thursday, the board strongly expressed their confidence and trust in Ms. Goubourn?s leadership. However they also directed her to reduce her working hours until she resolves her medical situation. Adding to this the vital training period of Dr. Frierson to manage the school, we should all realize that the emergence of the moral leadership of the faculty is more important than ever before.
We recently had the national example of what Terrell Owen?s ego did to undermine the proud Philadelphia Eagles organization. The lesson is that no individual is greater than the whole. The Eagles may struggle this season, but they have restored the integrity of their institution.
?When the going gets tough, the tough get going.? I know there are potentially strong leaders in our DC faculty, and I look forward to their emergence.
Have a happy Thanksgiving. Regards Joe
"
I'm assuming this lengthy email was written by Joe Gauld following some sort of big blow up at Hyde-DC. Why am I not at all surprised that there's chaos and conflict at a Hyde school? Isn't it amazing how controversy, confrontation, and poor behavior emerge in Hyde settings up and down the coast? I have visited lots of schools in my time and never have I encountered such an amazing pattern of morale problems, bad behavior, and internal dispute as I have at Hyde. How is it possible that so many people tolerate this very poor excuse for education and so-called character education?
I'm fascinated by Joe's own statement above: "The lesson is that no individual is greater than the whole." Anyone who has spent any significant amount of time around Joe Gauld knows that his own behavior is the height of hypocrisy. He's the guy who stands or sits with parents and lectures them endlessly about what's wrong with their lives, how they need Hyde, is willing to kick them out of the room like a testy parent, and all that. It's laughable that Joe Gauld would tell others that no individual is greater than the whole. His arrogance is beyond words."
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Isn't it amazing how controversy, confrontation, and poor behavior emerge in Hyde settings up and down the coast? I have visited lots of schools in my time and never have I encountered such an amazing pattern of morale problems, bad behavior, and internal dispute as I have at Hyde.
Secretive cult like hyde has allowed you be hind the veil of isolation to disern this pattern? And you have visited many schools in your time. Are you the same parent that had been involved with Hyde for years but only had thier kid in school for a year but thought the school was so bad but let thier kid stay anyway in the emotionally toxic enviroment? Or are you some one else or are you the same person? You have been to Hyde-DC no doubt and found it wanting vis a vis the other fine DC schools. It has a toxic enviroment because this old guy from Bath comes down once in a while and yells and eject a little spittle, and this is all so beyond the pale in the city with the highest murder rate in the US. People don't like yelling. It is against the social mores of inner city DC for sure. It must be bad in hyde DC. Why don't you go down and tell the people in person how screwed up Hyde DC is. Save them. Give them something better. I know you can because you have visited so many schools and know the right way to run a school. Right?
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What the F*** are you talking about. Hyde DC is an amzing place. Have you ever been there?!?!?! The respect and level of these students is awe inspiring. I'm sick and tired of assholes like you with a personal vendetta, that know NOTHING of what you're talking about! Go fight to het us out of Iraq or use you energy to help Katrina victms...but if you don't know what you're talking about. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!
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On 2006-03-30 03:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the F*** are you talking about. Hyde DC is an amzing place. Have you ever been there?!?!?! The respect and level of these students is awe inspiring. I'm sick and tired of assholes like you with a personal vendetta, that know NOTHING of what you're talking about! Go fight to het us out of Iraq or use you energy to help Katrina victms...but if you don't know what you're talking about. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!"
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The respect and level of these students is awe inspiring.
If they can do it, why can't you?
Your "character building" workshops didn't take hold I guess...
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I didn't go to DC jerk off...
You know what you can do with my charactor.
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It is certainly apparent that DC's language is juvenille. I do believe that this is an open forum for anyone so we must tolerate individuals with limited use of vocabulary. Now, the first letter wasn't sufficient to qualm the "Gauld Effect" he caused at Hyde DC for this particular incident, so Gauld was goaded into writing another letter.....
Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:02 AM
Dear Hyde-DC Faculty Members;
In my recent email, I wrote ?I am examining how I might have handled the situation more effectively.? After further reflection, I now realize my leadership performance was not only wrong for Hyde-DC, but wrong for me personally as well.
After my heart attack in 2003, I realized I needed to make significant changes in my diet, my exercise pattern, and in some of my attitudes. The major attitudinal change I faced was in my taking personal responsibility for changes and improvement at Hyde; I realized I needed to trust those in authority to take this responsibility, and that my role was to simply support and sometimes advise their efforts.
This attitudinal change significantly lessened my confrontations with students, parents and teachers, and provided me with a much more rewarding role at Hyde: an advisor whose counsel is respected and often sought.
So why did I revert to the old Joe Gauld at the Wrap Up? I think it was feeling a sense of urgency to support Joanne?s medically weakened leadership in a situation that threatened the overall structure of Hyde-DC. In retrospect, when Ms. Cooke refused my directive to stop, I should have simply turned the meeting over to Barbara or Jacqueline.
This explanation is not an excuse. My leadership performance was wrong, and I apologize to the entire faculty, to Ms. Goubourn and to Barbara and Jacqueline for not so entrusting their leadership. I will learn from my mistake.
I?m sure faculty members realize my apology does not diminish the concerns I expressed in my Thanksgiving email.
Sincerely Joe
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On 2006-03-30 06:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I didn't go to DC jerk off..."
Or apparently any school at all.
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On 2006-03-30 07:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It is certainly apparent that DC's language is juvenille. I do believe that this is an open forum for anyone so we must tolerate individuals with limited use of vocabulary. Now, the first letter wasn't sufficient to qualm the "Gauld Effect" he caused at Hyde DC for this particular incident, so Gauld was goaded into writing another letter.....
Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:02 AM
Dear Hyde-DC Faculty Members;
In my recent email, I wrote ?I am examining how I might have handled the situation more effectively.? After further reflection, I now realize my leadership performance was not only wrong for Hyde-DC, but wrong for me personally as well.
After my heart attack in 2003, I realized I needed to make significant changes in my diet, my exercise pattern, and in some of my attitudes. The major attitudinal change I faced was in my taking personal responsibility for changes and improvement at Hyde; I realized I needed to trust those in authority to take this responsibility, and that my role was to simply support and sometimes advise their efforts.
This attitudinal change significantly lessened my confrontations with students, parents and teachers, and provided me with a much more rewarding role at Hyde: an advisor whose counsel is respected and often sought.
So why did I revert to the old Joe Gauld at the Wrap Up? I think it was feeling a sense of urgency to support Joanne?s medically weakened leadership in a situation that threatened the overall structure of Hyde-DC. In retrospect, when Ms. Cooke refused my directive to stop, I should have simply turned the meeting over to Barbara or Jacqueline.
This explanation is not an excuse. My leadership performance was wrong, and I apologize to the entire faculty, to Ms. Goubourn and to Barbara and Jacqueline for not so entrusting their leadership. I will learn from my mistake.
I?m sure faculty members realize my apology does not diminish the concerns I expressed in my Thanksgiving email.
Sincerely Joe
"
He was goaded into the letter writting? Don't think so. I sounds like the result of sincere introspection to me. He is admitting a personal failure. That does not sound like the egomanicle monster you have portraied him as.
My buddy there ( I am guessing based on the style) that used foul language was impassioned at the time. He is aa pretty smart fella, perhaps not always even tempered tho.
You just seem like you have a woody for hyde and joe. Any time you see some neg you say "Ah HA" proof positive that I was right all along hyde sucks. That does not sound to me like some one that has been trained in any sort of critical or logical thinking profession.
The thing that bothers me is not that you want to have a discussion about hyde good and bad which I would welcome, but you want to give Hyde a black eye, a one man crusade to lower hyde enrollment. A Jehadd if you will in which you are excused from any moral constraints. You or one of your buddys claimed that Joe thought he was Gods prophet. Got any back up for that? No. Because you pulled it out of your ass. It is a brown stink nuggett lie, but that is OK because it suits your purpose to run hyde down.
Some how you have got internal email. You post it. I would say in this day and age is fair game. But then you lay an interpration on it that is completely biased. He is a guy late in life that is open to the idea that he needs to grow personally. I think that is remarkable. You make is sound like he has just packed a freight car full of jew bounds for treblina.
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On 2006-03-30 03:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the F*** are you talking about. Hyde DC is an amzing place. Have you ever been there?!?!?! The respect and level of these students is awe inspiring. I'm sick and tired of assholes like you with a personal vendetta, that know NOTHING of what you're talking about! Go fight to het us out of Iraq or use you energy to help Katrina victms...but if you don't know what you're talking about. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!"
Did you learn to speak this way at Hyde? Does Hyde teach you about anger management? I think you out to keep your mouth shut before you make Hyde look worse than they already do.
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Thank-you for your well chosen words. It seems that our person, in his hostile written response, unknowingly has gloried Hyde's negative image.
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On 2006-03-30 09:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 03:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What the F*** are you talking about. Hyde DC is an amzing place. Have you ever been there?!?!?! The respect and level of these students is awe inspiring. I'm sick and tired of assholes like you with a personal vendetta, that know NOTHING of what you're talking about! Go fight to het us out of Iraq or use you energy to help Katrina victms...but if you don't know what you're talking about. SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!"
Did you learn to speak this way at Hyde? Does Hyde teach you about anger management? I think you out to keep your mouth shut before you make Hyde look worse than they already do. "
We only spoke that way when coach was not looking and we had an guy like you in the wrestling room. Most of us learned to swear before we got to hyde. The expression of anger is not tantamount to being out of control of anger. Perhaps you should learn to tell the difference.
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In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes.
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On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner
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On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger.
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On 2006-03-31 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger."
It dosn't don't sound like a cult. It sound like a guy that is saying, "look I have been doing this for 40 years, I know what I am doing. I am offering you my expertice. If you don't want it leave"
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On 2006-04-01 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-31 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger."
It dosn't don't sound like a cult. It sound like a guy that is saying, "look I have been doing this for 40 years, I know what I am doing. I am offering you my expertice. If you don't want it leave"
"
Forty years of experience and what does Hyde have to show for it? How many successes and how many failures? If there are so many success stories coming out of Hyde the last forty years, why haven't we heard about it? Where are all the alumni? There should be ten or twenty times the amount that exist. I am sorry, but I just don't see the success rate at Hyde that some of you talk about. Joe Gauld might have forty years experience in teaching, but I am not so sure he has found the "magic bullet." If I am wrong I apologize, but I sure would like to see all these successes rather than the handful that are bragged about!
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On 2006-04-02 00:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-04-01 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-31 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger."
It dosn't don't sound like a cult. It sound like a guy that is saying, "look I have been doing this for 40 years, I know what I am doing. I am offering you my expertice. If you don't want it leave"
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Forty years of experience and what does Hyde have to show for it? How many successes and how many failures? If there are so many success stories coming out of Hyde the last forty years, why haven't we heard about it? Where are all the alumni? There should be ten or twenty times the amount that exist. I am sorry, but I just don't see the success rate at Hyde that some of you talk about. Joe Gauld might have forty years experience in teaching, but I am not so sure he has found the "magic bullet." If I am wrong I apologize, but I sure would like to see all these successes rather than the handful that are bragged about!"
When Joe left Hyde, the school almost tanked. Lennox made the BOD an offer, put Joe back in charge and I will bail you out.
In america we use the admittitedly imperfect metric of success in the free market as benchmark of merit. Look at what hyde has done since Joe has been back:
Bath is thriving
woodstock is thriving
chartered schools in DC, Oakland and NYC
So that is the macro view, on the individual level could hyde be as bad as you say for the folks involved and be this succesful. I think not. To the first order the market rewards success at providing a commodity or service. The market is rewarding hyde therefore hyde must be succesfully providing the service it markets.
QED
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On 2006-04-02 07:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-02 00:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger."
It dosn't don't sound like a cult. It sound like a guy that is saying, "look I have been doing this for 40 years, I know what I am doing. I am offering you my expertice. If you don't want it leave"
"
Forty years of experience and what does Hyde have to show for it? How many successes and how many failures? If there are so many success stories coming out of Hyde the last forty years, why haven't we heard about it? Where are all the alumni? There should be ten or twenty times the amount that exist. I am sorry, but I just don't see the success rate at Hyde that some of you talk about. Joe Gauld might have forty years experience in teaching, but I am not so sure he has found the "magic bullet." If I am wrong I apologize, but I sure would like to see all these successes rather than the handful that are bragged about!"
When Joe left Hyde, the school almost tanked. Lennox made the BOD an offer, put Joe back in charge and I will bail you out.
In america we use the admittitedly imperfect metric of success in the free market as benchmark of merit. Look at what hyde has done since Joe has been back:
Bath is thriving
woodstock is thriving
chartered schools in DC, Oakland and NYC
So that is the macro view, on the individual level could hyde be as bad as you say for the folks involved and be this succesful. I think not. To the first order the market rewards success at providing a commodity or service. The market is rewarding hyde therefore hyde must be succesfully providing the service it markets.
QED"
Hyde is good at marketing. This does not equate to success. Lots of desperate parents out there that will try anything. Lots of Ed Specialist who get wined and dined by these schools and programs for referrals. Sorry, not impressed that Hyde has survived. Doesn't mean it is a good school or is successful!
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On 2006-04-02 07:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-02 00:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-01 14:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-03-31 07:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-31 03:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2006-03-30 19:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
" In his letter to the Hyde-DC faculty, Joe takes his behavior and turns it into an issue about the faculty who did not express their disapproval about his behavior directly, instead of making the issue about his behavior itself. This is classic Joe Gauld. I recall once as a faculty member being blamed for Joe spending too much time on the golf course. The reason we were blamed as a faculty was because we "allowed" him to play too much golf when he was supposed to be working, instead of confronting him about it. No kidding. This took the responsibility away from Joe for his behavior. As though we really had any control over Joe, and as though if we had told him what we thought, he would have listened without turning it into a confrontation about our own attitudes."
Hey
Your post is refeshing. I saw that dynamic when I was at hyde. You take the issue and turn it back and the fact that you were not willing to devote a ton of energy into a confrontation indicates a charater flaw. I wonder how much of Joe's methods go back to this childhood and the power politics of a very strict stepfather.
I don't want to out you, but when were you there?
aka Sumner"
In spite of someone saying that Joe does not think he is above all, his letters indicate the opposite.
When our family was at Hyde he sent out a letter reprimanding parents for trying to be involved in a way which he did not find acceptable. He stated that Hyde knows best what is right for your child, and that if we didn't accept this then maybe we should find another school. He equated it with looking for another doctor if you aren't happy with the one you have. This letter shocked all of the parents at this time. It was so incredibly arrogant and sounded more like a Cult than a school.
Although Hyde has some very good elements, it is frightening to my family the hold that the school seems to have on it's followers as well as the scary attitudes of the Administrators and faculty. Please don't kill the messenger."
It dosn't don't sound like a cult. It sound like a guy that is saying, "look I have been doing this for 40 years, I know what I am doing. I am offering you my expertice. If you don't want it leave"
"
Forty years of experience and what does Hyde have to show for it? How many successes and how many failures? If there are so many success stories coming out of Hyde the last forty years, why haven't we heard about it? Where are all the alumni? There should be ten or twenty times the amount that exist. I am sorry, but I just don't see the success rate at Hyde that some of you talk about. Joe Gauld might have forty years experience in teaching, but I am not so sure he has found the "magic bullet." If I am wrong I apologize, but I sure would like to see all these successes rather than the handful that are bragged about!"
When Joe left Hyde, the school almost tanked. Lennox made the BOD an offer, put Joe back in charge and I will bail you out.
In america we use the admittitedly imperfect metric of success in the free market as benchmark of merit. Look at what hyde has done since Joe has been back:
Bath is thriving
woodstock is thriving
chartered schools in DC, Oakland and NYC
So that is the macro view, on the individual level could hyde be as bad as you say for the folks involved and be this succesful. I think not. To the first order the market rewards success at providing a commodity or service. The market is rewarding hyde therefore hyde must be succesfully providing the service it markets.
QED"
I think you're right that "the market rewards success at providing a commodity or service." The problem with your argument is that you assume that market success is the same as success defined by what's good morally, psychologically, etc.
Using your definition of success (...if it continues to exist, it must be good), then we should say that:
- high fat, fast food diets are good because they do well in the market, despite the fact that by every measure the standard high fat, fast food diet is contributing to a horrible obesity problem among Americans (especially children)
- internet child pornography is good because it is thriving in the market
and there are countless other examples
Obviously there's a demand for certain kinds of food that isn't good for people, child pornography, etc. Are you saying they ought to be promoted and made more available because of their market success?
I think Hyde has some impressive graduates. Hyde also has huge numbers of bad results that are not widely known. Many parents flock to Hyde because they're desperate and don't know about other options. Many leave once they figure out what Hyde is all about.
I think we need a more accurate measure of success at Hyde. Getting people to come through the front door isn't the way to measure success. I'd like to see real evidence of the percentange of kids who start at Hyde with serious challenges (behavior, drug, mental health problems) and actually finish. What's the completion/drop-out rate? Of those in this group who finish (and I'm not talking about the faculty and staff kids who don't have major problems), how many go to college and finish? How are they doing in life (jobs, family life, relationships, sobriety, etc.)? That would be helpful info so we can really understand whether Hyde is successful or not.
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"I think Hyde has some impressive graduates. Hyde also has huge numbers of bad results that are not widely known. "
I thought it was interesting graduates life success was never tracked. Hyde has in recent years been doing out reach to past students, but I think this is a view to fund raising, rather then hyde's attempt to learn. I have been asked for money. No one has ever asked my what worked and what did not.
"I think we need a more accurate measure of success at Hyde."
I think Hyde needs to apply a metric on itself, a quality control, so that the quality of the service it provides can improve. What works what does not. I think that Joe and company stumbled into a process and never went back and deconstructed it to understand what was going on.
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Hyde reaches out to graduates because the school will thrive, physically, emotionally and financially if the people who participated in the curriculum share their experinnces, guidance, and financial resources.
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On 2006-04-03 10:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hyde reaches out to graduates because the school will thrive, physically, emotionally and financially if the people who participated in the curriculum share their experinnces, guidance, and financial resources.
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What percentage of the students who start Hyde actually graduate from Hyde? Do they survey the experiences of people who left the school before graduating to find out what didn't work and why?
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I spent 5 years and graduated. 4 kids from my Freshman class made it all the way thru.
Hyde gets tons of kids in their Sophomore and Junior years and I'd say 2/3 make it to graduation...though some graduate with a document which states that they failed Hyde, but passed the Maine or CT high school requirements.
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On 2006-04-03 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I spent 5 years and graduated. 4 kids from my Freshman class made it all the way thru.
Hyde gets tons of kids in their Sophomore and Junior years and I'd say 2/3 make it to graduation...though some graduate with a document which states that they failed Hyde, but passed the Maine or CT high school requirements."
In your experience, why do so many kids leave Hyde before graduation?
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On 2006-04-03 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I spent 5 years and graduated. 4 kids from my Freshman class made it all the way thru.
Hyde gets tons of kids in their Sophomore and Junior years and I'd say 2/3 make it to graduation...though some graduate with a document which states that they failed Hyde, but passed the Maine or CT high school requirements."
Four (4) kids graduated from your freshman class? I guess a good question would be, how many kids were originally in your freshman class?
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I think there were about 20 in my Freshman class.
The reason kids don't graduate is because Hyde is hard. It challenges you. It challenges your family. And some people aren't willing to "go for it"
I went in the old days...today this generation of parents is even worse...
There's a great number who figure their life is hard enough..why should they deal with all this Hyde shit....A lot of them are contributors to this site.
My relationship with my parents is amazing...I owe it mostly to Hyde. Mybrother is very successful. He didn't "need" Hyde, graduated public school...went Ivy and on to Law school...does well, happy family, but my relationship with my parents is so much deeper than his! Hyde was very hard. But it was worth it!
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On 2006-04-04 06:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think there were about 20 in my Freshman class.
The reason kids don't graduate is because Hyde is hard. It challenges you. It challenges your family. And some people aren't willing to "go for it"
I went in the old days...today this generation of parents is even worse...
There's a great number who figure their life is hard enough..why should they deal with all this Hyde shit....A lot of them are contributors to this site.
My relationship with my parents is amazing...I owe it mostly to Hyde. Mybrother is very successful. He didn't "need" Hyde, graduated public school...went Ivy and on to Law school...does well, happy family, but my relationship with my parents is so much deeper than his! Hyde was very hard. But it was worth it!"
I'm genuinely happy for you that you had a good Hyde experience. It sounds like you worked hard and got a lot out of it. Unfortunately, I worked hard and had a terrible Hyde experience. Maybe we had different staff to deal with. I was with too many people who really mistreated students by yelling at them and humiliating them. I knew lots of students who really had a hard time dealing with Hyde becuase they weren't getting the help they needed for their anorexia, drug problems, and all that. I guess every group of students is different, and maybe the campuses are different. Hyde was a very unhealthy place when I was there. I also knew kids who ran away.
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We still had a bit of the humiliation when I was there "way back" most of it came from Seniors who really ran the school.
Also, it sounds like your Hyde experience was in the last ten years when there were so many more kids dealing with drugs, psch and other disorders. They were in the minority in the 70's and early 80's.
We you on the Woodstock campus? If so, I know who you're talking about on the faculty who is abusive....does it rhyme with Splurphy?
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On 2006-04-05 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We still had a bit of the humiliation when I was there "way back" most of it came from Seniors who really ran the school.
Also, it sounds like your Hyde experience was in the last ten years when there were so many more kids dealing with drugs, psch and other disorders. They were in the minority in the 70's and early 80's.
We you on the Woodstock campus? If so, I know who you're talking about on the faculty who is abusive....does it rhyme with Splurphy?"
Yes, my expereince at Hyde is more recent and it sounds like the school now gets many more kids dealing with drugs, alcohol, and psychiatric problems. I have a feeling that's why Hyde doesn't work for so many students. Their "old" model may not be so good for the "new" type of students.
I wouldn't say all the staff are abusive, but there sure are some who are. One of them does rhyme with "Splurphy" and there are others too. Mr. Gauld is one of the worst and in some of the seminars I was in (FlCs) some of the alumni parents were really full of themselves and abusive.
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On 2006-04-05 12:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-04-05 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"We still had a bit of the humiliation when I was there "way back" most of it came from Seniors who really ran the school.
Also, it sounds like your Hyde experience was in the last ten years when there were so many more kids dealing with drugs, psch and other disorders. They were in the minority in the 70's and early 80's.
We you on the Woodstock campus? If so, I know who you're talking about on the faculty who is abusive....does it rhyme with Splurphy?"
Yes, my expereince at Hyde is more recent and it sounds like the school now gets many more kids dealing with drugs, alcohol, and psychiatric problems. I have a feeling that's why Hyde doesn't work for so many students. Their "old" model may not be so good for the "new" type of students.
I wouldn't say all the staff are abusive, but there sure are some who are. One of them does rhyme with "Splurphy" and there are others too. Mr. Gauld is one of the worst and in some of the seminars I was in (FlCs) some of the alumni parents were really full of themselves and abusive."
Had to laugh at your assesment of alumni parents! So true! These parents who need the crutch of Hyde School after their kids graduate are just like some parents who fell for Jim Jones and his preaching! I had one alumni parent in two of my seminars who sat there like he was above everyone who was there. Sat there judging everyone as though he "had gotten Hyde" but we were imperfect parents who not only did not know how to raise our kids, but insisted we all had deep dark secrets in our past that we weren't sharing. He put so much pressure on us that we almost felt like we had to make up a scandal in order to satisfy all at Hyde. How sad it is that a grownup behaves like this at the prodding of Joe and Malcolm Gauld along with the other administrators at both Hyde campuses.
For those of you parents who want to have someone convince you that you had a horrible childhood and this is why your child is messed up, (the apple doesn't fall far)then by all means, enroll in Hyde otherwise run as fast as you can and consider yourself lucky!
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When Joe's book came out, I recall thinking that if I read the book, without having known him and lived through the Hyde experience, I might be ready to buy into the whole thing all over again. Scary thought.