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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on December 07, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
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I would love for once and for all everyone come clean on who they really are on this site. If no one has anything to hide, then why not. I may not agree with everything Aften or George or Dan have to say, but at least they have the guts to say their real names. I know no on will likely do this, but I thought I would throw it out there.
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You make this request while you yourself hide behind a anonymous tag?
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Ok you go first
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No Id rather you did. Thanks. You brought it up remember.
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Robert Sullivan, PG 4
Did not graduate the program
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Susie Gray
Envelope Stuffer
Knew nothing about the program.
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I think we all know about Ms. Gray and have heard enough from her on this sight to last a lifetime, though I do agree with some things that she says. To be honest I sit on the fence with a lot of the things said on this sight. I see some truth in both sides of the arguements and some bullshit on both sides.
Back to the original point, is anyone else willing to put up their real name?
R. Sullivan
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I dont see how it serves any real purpose. I am interested to know on which points you agree with Susie.
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If you are not going to do the same as I did and others have done by revealing themselves, then there is no need to continue this topic. I don't want to follow the pattern of every other topic on this board and get into a useless debate that ends up in name calling. If you want to debate the valid/ invalid points of Mrs. Gray, then start a new topic. Frankly, it would be like beating an old, ugly dead horse.
The point of revealing ourselves is to give us more credibility. You know all the school has to say to anyone who asks them about things posted on this board is, "are you going to believe some on who is hidding behind a fake identity or are you going to believe the people that are talking to you and inviting you to see the school for yourself." As long as they are known and we on this board are not, the school has the advantage. We are just seen as complainers with a grudge. No one will take us seriously.
This is a bad analogy, so please do harp on it, but it is similar to the KKK wearing their hoods. In their minds they have a purpose, but everyone else just sees them as hate mongers that want to cause trouble. Real change comes from people who are willing to take the risk of putting themselves out there to be seen.
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Sorry. Forgot to sign that last post. If was from me, Rober Sullivan. PG 4.
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dan motherfuckin katz
peer group 26.
i never hide behind anything.
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everyone already knows who i am, but my name is Aften... PG 54
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SHH
(not known as Susie Gray to anybody except Robert)
Former resident of HLA campus for 4 years(1997-2001)
Former employee of HLA for 9 months(Oct 97-July 98)not as an envelope stuffer but as an administrative assistant to the teaching staff
Associated with the school in one form or another from inception (July 94) to February 2001.
Also affectionately known as other various juvenile insult names that Robert decides to come up with :rofl:
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On 2005-12-11 16:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"SHH
(not known as Susie Gray to anybody except Robert)
Former resident of HLA campus for 4 years(1997-2001)
Former employee of HLA for 9 months(Oct 97-July 98)not as an envelope stuffer but as an administrative assistant to the teaching staff
Associated with the school in one form or another from inception (July 94) to February 2001.
Also affectionately known as other various juvenile insult names that Robert decides to come up with :rofl: "
you forgot "well-known prevaricator" and "story changer." :wave:
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Associated with the school? Bullfrog youve made it beyond clear you had nothing to do with the school.
And yes envelope stuffer, you yourself claimed you worked out of your own home, so how much real assistiance could you have provided to the teachers. Further your ignorace on many school issues only highlights the fact more you had no clue as to what was going on.
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On 2005-12-09 06:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you are not going to do the same as I did and others have done by revealing themselves, then there is no need to continue this topic. I don't want to follow the pattern of every other topic on this board and get into a useless debate that ends up in name calling. If you want to debate the valid/ invalid points of Mrs. Gray, then start a new topic. Frankly, it would be like beating an old, ugly dead horse.
The point of revealing ourselves is to give us more credibility. You know all the school has to say to anyone who asks them about things posted on this board is, "are you going to believe some on who is hidding behind a fake identity or are you going to believe the people that are talking to you and inviting you to see the school for yourself." As long as they are known and we on this board are not, the school has the advantage. We are just seen as complainers with a grudge. No one will take us seriously.
This is a bad analogy, so please do harp on it, but it is similar to the KKK wearing their hoods. In their minds they have a purpose, but everyone else just sees them as hate mongers that want to cause trouble. Real change comes from people who are willing to take the risk of putting themselves out there to be seen."
I do see your point in alot of this. However the question then falls back to the school. Why try and silence them or threaten them? Why not answer their questions? If Buch came on here and was willing to have an honest respectful conversation I would reveal who I was.
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Robert you seem to forget, you do alot of that I notice, that my home was down the hill from the school. I worked out of my home because there was not an office for me to work out of at school. It was a simple matter of walking or driving less than 1,500 yards to use the copier and put report cards in the mail room.
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And you seem to forget that you still had no interaction with the students and had no clue as to what was going on there.
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Just because I didnt attend reals or teach or was a counselor doesnt mean I had no clue of what went on at the school Robert. I lived there for a hell of a lot longer than you, much, much longer. I was on campus every day for 4 years with the exception of out of town trips. Were you there every day for 4 years? No. Maybe I didnt know about reals, so what. I did know what went on at the school. I was a personal friend of the owner. I was married to the number 2 employee. I was friends with a large number of staff, in various capacities, teachers, counselors, upper management, maintenance, kitchen, shipping, office assistants, etc. Whether or not you choose to believe it is not my problem. I know the truth. And that is all that matters in the real world, not whatever fantasy world you live in.
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On 2005-12-12 15:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just because I didnt attend reals or teach or was a counselor doesnt mean I had no clue of what went on at the school Robert. I lived there for a hell of a lot longer than you, much, much longer. I was on campus every day for 4 years with the exception of out of town trips. Were you there every day for 4 years? No. Maybe I didnt know about reals, so what. I did know what went on at the school. I was a personal friend of the owner. I was married to the number 2 employee. I was friends with a large number of staff, in various capacities, teachers, counselors, upper management, maintenance, kitchen, shipping, office assistants, etc. Whether or not you choose to believe it is not my problem. I know the truth. And that is all that matters in the real world, not whatever fantasy world you live in."
"Just because you didnt attend reals, class, or serve as a counsoler"
Are you that dumb?
Those were the biggest aspect of our lives at HLA.
What else is left Bullfrog?
Did you work in the cafeteria?
No.
Did you serve as restrictions staff?
No.
Were you even night security?
No.
It doesnt matter if you lived there, you had nothing to do with the place. Nothing. You knew nothing of what went on there, you have showcased that time and time again.
I lived there, was subject to its rules and abuse, was forced to remain there held captive, dealt with it day in day out.
I know I mentioned this to you some time ago, you ignored it because it made to much sense.
The families of the staff at Alcatraz used to live there on the island.
Does that mean they could testify what it was like to be a prisoner there?
Could they even describe what went on in there having never been an inmate or staff?
No.
Being an envelope stuffer for nine months in which you worked out of your home does not give you any special insight.
Accept that reality, its the more logical one.
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"If Buch came on here and was willing to have an honest respectful conversation I would reveal who I was."
I can respect that, but you have to understand that your anonymity only hurts your cause. No one will take what you say seriously until they see you are willing to make yourself known. At this point, I will drop the issue because I don't want to be perceived as trying to pressure you into revealing yourself. Please understand, I am just trying to add some legitimacy to the discussion. If you want to remain unknown, that's cool with me.
Robert Sullivan, PG 4
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On 2005-12-12 15:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just because I didnt attend reals or teach or was a counselor doesnt mean I had no clue of what went on at the school Robert. I lived there for a hell of a lot longer than you, much, much longer. I was on campus every day for 4 years with the exception of out of town trips. Were you there every day for 4 years? No. Maybe I didnt know about reals, so what. I did know what went on at the school. I was a personal friend of the owner. I was married to the number 2 employee. I was friends with a large number of staff, in various capacities, teachers, counselors, upper management, maintenance, kitchen, shipping, office assistants, etc. Whether or not you choose to believe it is not my problem. I know the truth. And that is all that matters in the real world, not whatever fantasy world you live in."
Same 'ol tired bullshit responses. It's clear that this lady knows nothing. It's been proven time and again. The more she writes, the less she says...
Talking with people who are bereft of higher cognition and reasoning skills, like Susie, is like this ----> ::bangin::
Why bother?
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-12-14 07:49 ]
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On 2005-12-14 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
" "If Buch came on here and was willing to have an honest respectful conversation I would reveal who I was."
I can respect that, but you have to understand that your anonymity only hurts your cause. No one will take what you say seriously until they see you are willing to make yourself known. At this point, I will drop the issue because I don't want to be perceived as trying to pressure you into revealing yourself. Please understand, I am just trying to add some legitimacy to the discussion. If you want to remain unknown, that's cool with me.
Robert Sullivan, PG 4"
Again I hear where you are coming from but I think you are mistaken. ALl the parents who have PM'd me on here wanting more information have never seemed to care about the fact that they dont know my name.
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the information that you provide is very ne sided though, and it is only your opinion; its not critical evidence. your true identity matters to some people, but to parents it wouldn't, seeing as though they wouldn't know who you were anyways.
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On 2005-12-15 14:26:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"the information that you provide is very ne sided though, and it is only your opinion; its not critical evidence. your true identity matters to some people, but to parents it wouldn't, seeing as though they wouldn't know who you were anyways."
HAHA and why would it matter to some people? Your boss perhaps? Tell him to keep trying. None of the parents Ive communicated with have cared about my real name. The only issue for them is what their children are being subject to, and secrets certian people would rather were kept quiet.
You are incorrect though, I have offered a great deal of critical evidence. Namley on the licensure issue, as well as the treatment of students and specific abuses. Those dont really qualify as opinions since they were events that really occured.
Again though offer up examples if you like, I ask even though I know you wont.
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On 2005-12-15 14:26:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"the information that you provide is very ne sided though, and it is only your opinion; its not critical evidence. your true identity matters to some people, but to parents it wouldn't, seeing as though they wouldn't know who you were anyways."
HAHA and why would it matter to some people? Your boss perhaps? Tell him to keep trying. None of the parents Ive communicated with have cared about my real name. The only issue for them is what their children are being subject to, and secrets certian people would rather were kept quiet.
You are incorrect though, I have offered a great deal of critical evidence. Namley on the licensure issue, as well as the treatment of students and specific abuses. Those dont really qualify as opinions since they were events that really occured.
Again though offer up examples if you like, I ask even though I know you wont.
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George Chongris -- Peer Group 72
DIDN'T Graduate...withdrawn...and damn proud of it
10/15/2004 -- 11/28/2005
Shout out to all my boys and girls stuck in the shithole[ This Message was edited by: WestSideStud2430 on 2005-12-18 07:33 ]
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On 2005-12-15 14:26:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"the information that you provide is very ne sided though, and it is only your opinion; its not critical evidence. your true identity matters to some people, but to parents it wouldn't, seeing as though they wouldn't know who you were anyways."
You could have said that about yourself, aften. Your commentary is one-sided and consists of the denial of others' experiences. Nobody's saying you didn't do well at HLA, but it doesn't change the facts, like SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS B/W STAFF AND PATIENTS, IMPROPER LICENSING, BOGUS MARKETING MATERIALS, STAFF WITH FAKE DEGREES, WITHOLDING OF FOOD/TRANSCRIPTS AS PUNISHMENT, STAFF TRADING FAVORS/CLOTHES FOR DRUGS, ETC.
Don't try to rationalize these events. These things HAPPENED and people are willing to testify to it. It's just going to take some time, just like it did with HLA's "parent," CEDU. Legal tolerance for the abuse of children and the violation of their constitutional/human rights is coming to a close.
Historically speaking, you'll end up on the wrong side of it when the facts come to light.
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Oh you just got labeled a homophobe by her pal. Watch out now.
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Hey Robert Bruce...or.....? Why not start with your "real name"...and some real facts and truths bro ::both::
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Same response as before, why does my name matter?
You ask me my name yet dont provide your own?
As for facts and real truths, thats all Ive been giving.
If you'd like to question specific statements Ive made be my guest, I'll be happy to discuss them again with you.
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His name is Devin Reyner and he is a liar about it. Which has to lead anyone reading this to wonder what else has he lied about.
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On 2005-12-23 05:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"His name is Devin Reyner and he is a liar about it. Which has to lead anyone reading this to wonder what else has he lied about. "
Prove it. Show your "evidence" of his identity. And while you're at it, what's your name, coward?
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Ladies and Gentlemen...Introducing Mr. Robert Bruce....
Straight from the Myspace.com site of Mr. Devin Reyner.
"My all time hero is John McCain, that man without a doubt should be our next President."
"Hmmm, well Im a history major"
"On that political note, I did have the goal of meeting John McCain but Ive attained that goal so that one is kind of out."
Mr. Reyner was also at HLA at the same time as Dan from PG 26.
The above was posted the other day offering strong similarities between Robert Bruce and Devin Reyner. Plus Robert contracited himself a few posts later. One minute he said that he had talked to Devin at length about John McCaine and being a history major, the next he said he looked up Devin's sight and learned that he is not a history major. Which is it Robert? You were caught in a lie. You lie. You have no credibility.
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"Hmmm, well Im a polisci major so most of the people Id like to meet are actualy already dead"
Wow. Imagine that. Devin CHANGED his myspace sight right after he was busted as being Robert Bruce. Why would he do that if he had nothing to hide. Amazing coincidence.
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On 2005-12-23 08:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Hmmm, well Im a polisci major so most of the people Id like to meet are actualy already dead"
Wow. Imagine that. Devin CHANGED his myspace sight right after he was busted as being Robert Bruce. Why would he do that if he had nothing to hide. Amazing coincidence."
Pssst. Care to address any of these?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 240#158096 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12693&forum=41&start=240#158096)
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From the looks of it nothing was changed. I am not Devin but if you'd like to continue believing it be my guest, it makes no difference to me and it wont get you anywhere and you cant do anything with it.
As I said your evidence is all circumstancial at best. No hard proof as you people put it.
Further as I discussed Devin and I are in fact friends, he's tried to stay out of this mess and has given me permission to use the elements from his own story to protect my anonimity? I asked you yesterday if you wanted to hear more of his story because as far as I can tell its the most shining example of the illegal nature of things at HLA.
Let me know if you'd like to hear it.
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According to an earlier post, you knew Devin at HLA. Then you later said you never knew him there but met him later. What a coincidence. Dan stated that he knew Devin when he was in PG 26, and that you and he knew each other while there too. How could you have possibly not known Devin until later? Seems to be alot of contradictions and I am beginning to wonder if the anonymous poster is possibly correct about you.
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Your identity is known to those who you harm the most.
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On 2005-12-23 11:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"According to an earlier post, you knew Devin at HLA. Then you later said you never knew him there but met him later. What a coincidence. Dan stated that he knew Devin when he was in PG 26, and that you and he knew each other while there too. How could you have possibly not known Devin until later? Seems to be alot of contradictions and I am beginning to wonder if the anonymous poster is possibly correct about you."
Oh Dan and I have lied about several things concerning identity all to throw you morons off the trail. In reality you dont even know where to begin.
If you want to state that throws our credibility with you...I can handle that. As I said I could care less what you retards think...as you only think what you are told. Further it puts us all in the same category as having lied about things, so I guess we're all right where we started.
On top of the fact that my id has nothing to do with the issues concerning HLA. So to the people who matter I havent lost any credibility. All while you people have to dodge any questions which show the truth about HLA. I'd say youve lost more credibility than I have.
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On 2005-12-23 11:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Your identity is known to those who you harm the most."
Who have I harmed?
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Wow Devin, you are really reaching for straws now. Keep spinning your web of lies. Everyone is now seeing the truth of the type of person you really are. I am glad to see that no one visiting this sight will know what to believe from you because you make so much up.
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Is that your way of saying you have no proof and no answer to the question put to you?
Keep deluding yourself that you:
A. Have any idea who I am.
B. Can back up your claim.
C. Think that my refusal to acknowledge who I am in any way shape or form matters to the people who come here looking for information about the truth concerning HLA.
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On 2005-12-23 11:53:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Is that your way of saying you have no proof and no answer to the question put to you?
Keep deluding yourself that you:
A. Have any idea who I am.
B. Can back up your claim.
C. Think that my refusal to acknowledge who I am in any way shape or form matters to the people who come here looking for information about the truth concerning HLA. "
Seems like Mr Bruce needs to get LAID! :lol:
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Mr. Bruce keeps on talking about anonymous posters being cowards, when in fact he continues to be anonymous himself and is too afraid to even say what state he resides in.
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Think that my refusal to acknowledge who I am in any way shape or form matters to the people who come here looking for information about the truth concerning HLA. "
Of course it matters because you have contradicted yourself and have been caught in a lie. Liars cannot be trusted Devin. Anyone who sees this knows that you lie and therefor have no credibility.
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please post the link to the myspace site everyone is talking about
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On 2005-12-23 12:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"please post the link to the myspace site everyone is talking about"
Just go to myspace.com and type in Devin Reyner.
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Of course it doesn't matter, because he has cahnged the content on the sight since he was busted. Further proof that his identity has been revealed.
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And now it really doesn't matter becasue Devin has cancelled his myspace account.
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No wonder I can't find it. Mighty suspicious.
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If the real Devin doesn't post on here he wouldn't have cared what his site on myspace had on it.
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On 2005-12-23 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If the real Devin doesn't post on here he wouldn't have cared what his site on myspace had on it."
Dude, go shopping or something, get off of your ass and get a fucking LIFE, see ya.
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On 2005-12-23 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If the real Devin doesn't post on here he wouldn't have cared what his site on myspace had on it."
Well we all know the games that Robert/Devin play and he continues to play them. His true self is becoming more evident everyday to anyone who veiws this sight. Poor Robert/Devin, his work means nothing now. He has no credibility left.
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On 2005-12-23 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Think that my refusal to acknowledge who I am in any way shape or form matters to the people who come here looking for information about the truth concerning HLA. "
Of course it matters because you have contradicted yourself and have been caught in a lie. Liars cannot be trusted Devin. Anyone who sees this knows that you lie and therefor have no credibility."
I agree hence why the majority of people on your side have no credibility, because so many of them have been caught in lies.
I however have not been caught in the lie you are refering to, your just to dumb to understand that. Im still waiting for some answers to those questions though.
Oh and Devin took down his myspace account under my advisement. We both felt we should not give any of puppets an insight into someone that has almost nothing to do with this.
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On 2005-12-23 13:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-23 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If the real Devin doesn't post on here he wouldn't have cared what his site on myspace had on it."
Well we all know the games that Robert/Devin play and he continues to play them. His true self is becoming more evident everyday to anyone who veiws this sight. Poor Robert/Devin, his work means nothing now. He has no credibility left."
The real Devin has posted on here you dork, as well has been in regular communication with Dan and I regarding what goes on on here.
However as I said before continue to delude yourself. Objective people come on here and see you claiming Im some random person and I deny it. You offer no proof and you cant back up your claim, even if you could they wouldnt care.
In the mean time they see you dodging every question thats put to you regarding the true nature of HLA and my offer evidence on top of evidence as to the truth.
Who do you think they are going to believe?
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Your real identity is known by some. You would be wise to not think otherwise.
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Yeah you dork the people I know. Making idle threats to me means absolutly nothing.
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Oh it's not idle. I was doing you a favor by telling you that. It wasn't meant as a threat. Don't think you are so anonymous. You shouldn't trust everybody you talk to.
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That's fine. Im still not worried, the only people who know who I am have no reason to reveal anything. Besides I havent harmed anyone as you claim, so I doubt your getting good information.
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If you think you have information from someone by all means drop the hammer. If you wont or cant I see no reason in discussing it further. Ive told you Im confident that the people who know who I am have no reason to reveal any information about me.
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Don't be so sure Mr. Bruce.
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Again drop the hammer or move on, Im really not concerned so do what your going to do or discuss something else.
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On 2005-12-23 14:43:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"Your real identity is known by some. You would be wise to not think otherwise."
So is yours and so would you. :lol: