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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: trnsz on November 30, 2005, 11:24:00 PM
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Excerpts from ... Torture:
"Techniques described in the November 18 ABC News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. These techniques were used by Soviet and North Korean interrogators, and have been reported more recently in Egypt, Burma, Iran and Turkey. This backgrounder provides descriptions of these techniques and their effects ? both historical examples and accounts from the State Department?s own human rights reports."
"The Washington Times reported last year that ?some of the most feared forms of torture? cited by survivors of the North Korean gulag ?were surprisingly mundane: Guards would force inmates to stand perfectly still for hours at a time, or make them perform exhausting repetitive exercises such as standing up and sitting down until they collapsed from fatigue.? (?Nightmares from the North; Korean son recounts life in dictatorship,? Benjamin Hu, The Washington Times, April 30, 2004.) "
"In The Gulag Archipelago, Aleksander Solzhenitsen describes Soviet interrogations including cases of forced standing and sleep deprivation: ?Then there is the method of simply compelling a prisoner to stand there.? Among other techniques used to break prisoners was forcing them to stay in a fixed position for an extended period of time."
"Pakistan: In the country reports, the State Department noted that prolonged isolation and denial of food or sleep were common torture methods."
"Tunisia: In the country reports, the State Department said that tactics such as food and sleep deprivation or confinement to a tiny, unlit cell were commonly used in Tunisia."
"Turkey: The State Department stated that torture is a regular practice in Turkey. According to the 2001 country report, some of the methods of torture employed by Turkish security forces included prolonged standing and isolation."
Just an excerpt from the relevant stuff. Sounds alot like iso at WWASPS to me! :flame:
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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation ... id=1322866 (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866) is the main story, I picked up the info from Human Rights Watch at http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/21/usdom12071.htm (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/21/usdom12071.htm)
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"News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. "
hey i can honestly say "exposure to cold" was never an issue for those of us in samoa.
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On 2005-12-01 06:43:00, Bola wrote:
""News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. "
hey i can honestly say "exposure to cold" was never an issue for those of us in samoa. "
It was (still is) an issue, however, for the kids imprisoned in Spring Creek Lodge, Montana. In the WWASPS vs. PURE trial, a parent described how his son was kept in isolation for nearly 8 months. The boy managed to sneak in an orange, so he'd have something to eat in there besides the limited diet given to prisoners kept in solitary confinement. That orange was completely frozen by morning. Other survivors of SCL described being forced to jump into a lake in the middle of the winter (after breaking the ice).
WWASPS is making big money out of torturing children. Where is their accountability? Why aren't they tried and punished for their crimes?
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On 2005-12-01 06:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-01 06:43:00, Bola wrote:
""News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. "
hey i can honestly say "exposure to cold" was never an issue for those of us in samoa. "
It was (still is) an issue, however, for the kids imprisoned in Spring Creek Lodge, Montana. In the WWASPS vs. PURE trial, a parent described how his son was kept in isolation for nearly 8 months. The boy managed to sneak in an orange, so he'd have something to eat in there besides the limited diet given to prisoners kept in solitary confinement. That orange was completely frozen by morning. Other survivors of SCL described being forced to jump into a lake in the middle of the winter (after breaking the ice).
WWASPS is making big money out of torturing children. Where is their accountability? Why aren't they tried and punished for their crimes?"
This is so moving, so powerful---except that it's BS. The kid lied all the way. There have never even been any charges, in spite of the fact that the kid has been crowing about this for years. It's all attention for him, but so ridiculous that no legal entity took him seriously. It didn't happen.
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The months in the hobbit and the frozen orange as well as a busted up mouth, were sworn to in Federal court by his father.
Other SCL students have mentioned this young man and what he was made to endure. His name still pops up in student's accounts from time to time. They attest to the truth of the allegations.
It happened alright.
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This is so moving, so powerful---except that it's BS. The kid lied all the way. There have never even been any charges, in spite of the fact that the kid has been crowing about this for years. It's all attention for him, but so ridiculous that no legal entity took him seriously. It didn't happen."
Really? It's BS, huh? How do you know this? From my personal experience because I was in one of these WWASPS schools a loooong time ago (and I doubt you were), I can tell you I had lots of bad shit happen to me. When I got out, I was almost 17, and tried to live out what little teenage years I had left. The last thing I wanted to do was go to trial. I even contacted a couple of lawyers, and sat down with them, and discussed my case. They thought I had a good case, but when they put things into prespective about all the time, and energy I would have to put into it, I said forget it. They had already taken enough of my youth away, I was struggling enough as it was finishing my high school (a lot of my credits from Cross Creek did not transfer so not only did I have a full schedule of classes at my local high school during the day I was taking 2 classes at night too), having a part time job lifeguarding at the club we belonged to, and my first real boyfriend I had ever had. So, what I am trying to say, is just because he hasn't brought a case against WWASPS, it doesn't mean he's "lying". So get a clue! Going to trial is very time consuming, and I admire those people out there who commit to doing it, and are trying to bring about change. I unfortunately was not one of those people, so I guess that means I am full of shit too? Hmmmm................
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Dont foreget to mention the new teeth the kid received due to the damage that was done to him by the director.
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And let's not forget: most of the parents who do file lawsuits againsts these abusive so-called schools are attached from all angles. We are even attacked here on fornits for enrolling our child in a facility in the first place. Parents are seldom given the benefit-of-the-doubt that we were suckered in by the glossy brouchures, the "caring ed cons" and the belief that the facilities were actually "real accredited schools" that would actually provide the promised therapy and care we were paying for. We are attacked for NOT KNOWING. Then, when we remove our child, and file a lawsuit---we are accused of being money-grabbing, scheming, parents. Not all parents who placed their child did it for the purpose of "getting rid of their kid, or to punish thier kid." Some were actually desperate parents looking for help who made a huge, horrible choice. That's not an excuse, by any means. But it is how it happened for many.
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On 2005-12-01 06:43:00, Bola wrote:
""News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. "
hey i can honestly say "exposure to cold" was never an issue for those of us in samoa. "
Haha, Bola, no kidding, it wasn't. But I hear it was for those in Montana and such.
I think I might remember you, btw. You were a pretty good volleyball player if I remember correctly. :smile:
Thankfully I never spent much time in iso - but I do remember Justin (?) from Alaska who did - went insane.
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On 2005-12-01 07:53:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"The months in the hobbit and the frozen orange as well as a busted up mouth, were sworn to in Federal court by his father.
Other SCL students have mentioned this young man and what he was made to endure. His name still pops up in student's accounts from time to time. They attest to the truth of the allegations.
It happened alright.
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Buzz, you can't seriously credit something solely on the basis of the frequency with which it's repeated! The young man in question has no credibility. Neither does his father. Again, no charges, no damages, nothing but stories proliferated on the net, and given weight simply because they get talked about a lot. The fact is, the main parts of the story remain questionable.
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On 2005-12-01 07:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Dont foreget to mention the new teeth the kid received due to the damage that was done to him by the director."
How quaint a way for things to grow and twist: even the boy never claimed the director hurt him.
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Regardless of the disputed 'facts' of some individual case, it would be an outright lie to deny that forced silence, isolation, and prolonged periods in uncomfortable positions were used by many WWASPS. You really believe that so many different people, without any previous contact, would be independetly telling such similar "lies"? That defies reason.
This is a violation of basic human rights. A few months difference in age shouldn't mean someone who is 17 and a half and not 18 can be abducted, isolated, or abused. I don't care what they've done or what problems they had before they got sent away. It's illegal in the USA to use these techniques on convicted criminals. I'm not even gonna mention the cult techniques used in those "seminars".
WWASPS: "Welcome to your new life as an enemy combatant".
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Maybe we are talking about a differnet kid who attended SCL ?
The one I know abour was HURT by the director.
That's a FACT. Another Fact many kids have been hurt by the Program.
You can think whatever you are TOLD. I know differently.
Dont you have a CULT meeting to attend? I mean "support" meeting.
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///Buzz, you can't seriously credit something solely on the basis of the frequency with which it's repeated! ///
Solely on that basis - No - many ridiculous things are oft repeated. However in the case of abuse in these programs, I find the persistent consistency very credible. This young man's account is not unusual. It is typical of what others have described in each of the programs "schools".
His time in the Hobbit was longer than average - but longer than average stays are not uncommon. Most kids, (and even Jay Kay himself), remark on knowing of "students" kept in Isolation/ OP/ the Hobbit/ on their face - for months (many months) at a time. Time in these places always involves restricted diet, and very unpleasant (tortuous) conditions.
As for his specific case - it has been mentioned by numerous persons, who were witness. It seems his long stretch in the Hobbit is something that has stuck in the minds of many who were there at the time. Their combined memories, independently agreeing to the facts of the case, are extremely credible.
///The young man in question has no credibility. Neither does his father.///
I do not know the young man. I can't say weather he is credible or not. I suspect you do not know him either, and so have no basis for declaring him unreliable. Or, maybe you do know him; and are threatened by the credibility of his testimony.
I do know the father. I have never had any reason to doubt his word. He has no reason to lie. He was at one time a true believer. It was the undeniable proof his son was brutalized that reformed him and his opinion.
///Again, no charges, no damages, nothing but stories proliferated on the net, and given weight simply because they get talked about a lot.///
They may not have sued for damages; I don't know what, if any, complaints were filed. I do know nothing much can be expected by way of consequences to SLC, even in the face of irrefutable evidence of appalling conditions and physical trauma. The local yocals just nod and wink, and its business as usual.
I'd say the account of the abuse this individual suffered, attained great weight, with his father's sworn testimony in Federal court.
If he had committed perjury, I am sure the program goons would see to it he were charged. And so the shoe is now on the other foot my friend. He was not sued or charged with perjury. And so by your reasoning his testimony is thereby proven true.
///The fact is, the main parts of the story remain questionable.///
Nothing about this account is at all questionable. Its true - it happened - So now what?
Will you take another big swig of Kool-Aid, and argue that such treatment isn't abusive?
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On 2005-12-01 15:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Maybe we are talking about a differnet kid who attended SCL ?
The one I know abour was HURT by the director.
That's a FACT. Another Fact many kids have been hurt by the Program.
You can think whatever you are TOLD. I know differently.
Dont you have a CULT meeting to attend? I mean "support" meeting."
That goes for me too!!!!!
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It was (still is) an issue, however, for the kids imprisoned in Spring Creek Lodge, Montana. In the WWASPS vs. PURE trial, a parent described how his son was kept in isolation for nearly 8 months. The boy managed to sneak in an orange, so he'd have something to eat in there besides the limited diet given to prisoners kept in solitary confinement. That orange was completely frozen by morning. Other survivors of SCL described being forced to jump into a lake in the middle of the winter (after breaking the ice).
This is EASILY believable to anyone who has been to SCL, especially those who have spent time in the hobbit. (aka special needs)
There were kids when I was there who fucking lived up in the Hobbit, yes, for MONTHS. Guess what program parent FREAKS, not all kids adjust well to being thrown in a brainwash gulag and shut down emotionally. If you don't work the program, and become a big enough problem, (whether it's your fault or not) you can end up living in the hobbit. I can't stress how bad an experience this is. Man... what a way to fuck up a teen. :sad: Do you know what it's like to sit in a small room on the floor 24/hrs a day with nothing to do? Try that for 3 days straight. A week straight. A month. You will go insane, as the teens kept up there finally would. I mean REALLy insane, as in a break in connection to reality. So that would seal their fate and they'd fucking end up living up there. You think SCL is going to send the kid to a mental hospital? NOPE. He'd never come back! Ever! A real mental health professional would never allow it. The parents would finally have access to truth; seriously, what kind of fucked up Orwellian name is Special Needs?
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/hobbit_with_kid.jpg)
Does this look 'special' to you? BTW, they charge the parents a nightly fee for their child being imprisoned in this shack isolation prison on the hill. About 40 bucks a night extra. Imagine 8 months of that, quite the extra BONU$, eh?!
This picture is taken standing in the doorway. The wooden box would not be in there normally. The room is about the size of a small household bathroom. It smells worse than a public bathroom, piss stains all over the floor and reeks like bleach too. You had a piece of carpet to sleep on. (see it in the pic?) Nothing more to do than carve shit into the wall with your nail, and try to sleep as many hours as you can as to avoid reality as long as possible. 2 kids, usually a normal stay would be 72 hours straight, for kids who commit a CAT 5. The kids who couldn't cope, and broke emotionally, didn't respond to this horrible scare tactic. They would never leave, because they lost it. It's one of the saddest things I've seen in my life. It's pathetic adults can do this to children. They truly are/were the forgotten souls of America. How many children are locked up in shacks right now, asking themselves what the fuck happened to justice? It sickens me because I was once one of them.
I can't take these program supporter trolls seriously because they are ignorant. It is THEY, the supporters and referal folks who perpetuate this hell on America's youth. It must end. Ignorance and hate create hell on Earth. I am one of the most cynical people I know, because I was shown at a young age how fucked up the human psyche can really be. What people can do to other people without questioning their own behavior once. It's scary, it is truly frightening to me.
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Oh yeah, and if you were LUCKY there were two kids up in the hobbit, but most times you ended up being alone. Which really sucked. I can't imagine doing it for months, that kid deserves to beat the shit out of someone for his ordeal.
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I agree. You don't know torture until you've been isolated. At least in a legal system prisoners feel that there is a certain ethical code, certain things that can and cannot be done to them. In programs, kids feel fear and horror that nobody will ever believe them anyway, the little parent handbook says so.
Here's an experiment those of you telling us to quit whining and bitching can engage in. Parents, go into your smallest bathroom, like a powder room, for three days with 6 Power Bars- remember you only get 2 small meals a day. Turn your AC down to about 32 degrees. That's more than fair given the snowy Montana weather, your kids are usually colder than that. No phones, no friends, no nothing. Experience complete nothingness, just once. Come out of your dark, cramped hole, hungry, wet, dirty, sad, and type another post about how you feel what you just experienced will help your child to overcome drugs, truancy, or whatever else you hope the program is going to cure.
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No,no,no you have it all wrong!!!!
What you need to do is empty out your cramped walk-in closet, install a very bright florecent light that buzzzzzzzz'z, put a window in the entry door, a suicide preventive mirror on the opposite wall, and if you even are caught closing your eyes, tag on 1 extra day for each offense. Oooopsy that was Heritage School, okay for Cross Creek take out all carpet, then repeat above.
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Wait, and if you're going for a Discovery Academy simulation, stand 25 minute demerits consecutively during all waking hours. But you'll have to turn off the lights- there were no windows- and ask someone to only shout to you "start standing" and at night "you can quit now- go to bed". You don't see daylight, therefore someone else needs to tell you when the sun is rising and setting. Then lie down on the piss-stained, sheetless mattress that all of the boys and girls pee on because a demerit won't count if you stop to use the bathroom, which is only allowed once after each meal anyway. And have yourself some sweet dreams. Wake up whenever staff order you to and repeat for at least two weeks.
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Okay well, you are more current then me! I'll take your word for it :smile:
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On 2005-12-01 21:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wait, and if you're going for a Discovery Academy simulation, stand 25 minute demerits consecutively during all waking hours. But you'll have to turn off the lights- there were no windows- and ask someone to only shout to you "start standing" and at night "you can quit now- go to bed". You don't see daylight, therefore someone else needs to tell you when the sun is rising and setting. Then lie down on the piss-stained, sheetless mattress that all of the boys and girls pee on because a demerit won't count if you stop to use the bathroom, which is only allowed once after each meal anyway. And have yourself some sweet dreams. Wake up whenever staff order you to and repeat for at least two weeks."
I don't know about you, but I wake up every night with a full bladder, and I have to relieve it atleast once, sometimes even twice!
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Don't forget those prisoners get legal representation and access to visitors and lawyers and mail... and have ppl advocating for them and going to court for them. And the authorities will protect them and provide health care (not just mental health care) and feed them right.
Whereas... our kids have none of that.Faith is the commitment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof. A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition. Faith is the equation of feeling with knowledge.
--Ayn Rand, Russian-born author
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Can anyone tell me what happens when someone is transferred from a WWASPS facility to a psychiatric facility for suicidal tendencies? Is this a long term thing or are they just returned to the facility after evaluation/treatment? Any feedback would be appreciated.
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On 2005-12-19 09:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Can anyone tell me what happens when someone is transferred from a WWASPS facility to a psychiatric facility for suicidal tendencies? Is this a long term thing or are they just returned to the facility after evaluation/treatment? Any feedback would be appreciated."
Depends on the parents. Normally, the kid will be returned. The program will inform his parents he is 'manipulating' his way out of the program and if he leaves, he won. Since WWASP has no control over what goes on at the psychiatric facility, he might be able to convince the psychiatrist (who knew, somewhere with actual professionals!) that WWASP is not right for him, and the psychiatrist could possibly convince his parents. That is the best case scenario. Worst case: 72 hour hold, released back to WWASP.
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[Since WWASP has no control over what goes on at the psychiatric facility, he might be able to convince the psychiatrist (who knew, somewhere with actual professionals!) that WWASP is not right for him, and the psychiatrist could possibly convince his parents. ]
So there is no connection between the psychiatric facility and SCL - these are seperate entities? That is a good thing, isn't it?
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That is a VERY good thing. :grin:
They used to operate some place called brightway 'hospital' in Utah or something... but that's been closed.
The U.S. State Department documented abuse at WWASP?s Samoa facility, which closed following an investigation by the Samoan government. The Czech Republic also raided a WWASP facility there and documented abuse. Brightway Hospital, which WWASP ran in Utah, was closed after the state found licensing violations like failure to report abuse allegations. Congressman George Miller (D-California) has at least twice called on Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate the program.
http://www.stats.org/record.jsp?type=news&ID=483 (http://www.stats.org/record.jsp?type=news&ID=483)
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On 2005-12-19 10:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That is a VERY good thing. :grin:
They used to operate some place called brightway 'hospital' in Utah or something... but that's been closed.
The U.S. State Department documented abuse at WWASP?s Samoa facility, which closed following an investigation by the Samoan government. The Czech Republic also raided a WWASP facility there and documented abuse. Brightway Hospital, which WWASP ran in Utah, was closed after the state found licensing violations like failure to report abuse allegations. Congressman George Miller (D-California) has at least twice called on Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate the program.
http://www.stats.org/record.jsp?type=news&ID=483 (http://www.stats.org/record.jsp?type=news&ID=483)"
Brightway was a processing center where kids were held while they were waiting for their passports, before being sent to overseas facilities. While they were there, WWASPS pretended to give them a psychological evaluations. It wasn't a real psychiatric facility, just a holding place till they could be sent off to hell.
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On 2005-12-19 00:07:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
"Don't forget those prisoners get legal representation and access to visitors and lawyers and mail... and have ppl advocating for them and going to court for them. And the authorities will protect them and provide health care (not just mental health care) and feed them right.
Whereas... our kids have none of that.Faith is the commitment of one's consciousness to beliefs for which one has no sensory evidence or rational proof. A mystic is a man who treats his feelings as tools of cognition. Faith is the equation of feeling with knowledge.
--Ayn Rand, Russian-born author
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"our kids" ?! Come on, Nils, if there's anything that colors your perspective it is the fact that you do not have kids! Nor do you have a clue. Nor do you have any business claiming such an intimate connection to or real concern for any of the young people who attend programs.
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On 2005-12-19 13:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"our kids" ?! Come on, Nils, if there's anything that colors your perspective it is the fact that you do not have kids! Nor do you have a clue. Nor do you have any business claiming such an intimate connection to or real concern for any of the young people who attend programs. "
Oh fuck off!! You are quite aware that he was speaking figuratively. I, for one, most appreciate someone who has no connection to this actually taking a serious interest in it. That's the only way anything is going to be done about the atrocities that continue under the guise of "help" for "troubled" teens.
Nihls, rock on!! Long and hard baby!! :tup:
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"our kids" ?! Come on, Nils, if there's anything that colors your perspective it is the fact that you do not have kids! Nor do you have a clue. Nor do you have any business claiming such an intimate connection to or real concern for any of the young people who attend programs.
All Niles meant was our children, as in - the human race. Something you program trolls are not a part of anymore... rats. ::fuckoff::
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"our kids" ?! Come on, Nils, if there's anything that colors your perspective it is the fact that you do not have kids! Nor do you have a clue. Nor do you have any business claiming such an intimate connection to or real concern for any of the young people who attend programs.
I must concur..... people get slammed around here if they form an opinion on programs when they have never attended one. I think the same should hold for those who have never had kids.
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On 2005-12-19 16:30:00, Anonymous
I must concur..... people get slammed around here if they form an opinion on programs when they have never attended one. I think the same should hold for those who have never had kids."
Riiiiiight. Its always a bad idea to become informed before becoming a parent. :roll:
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On 2005-12-19 16:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-12-19 16:30:00, Anonymous
I must concur..... people get slammed around here if they form an opinion on programs when they have never attended one. I think the same should hold for those who have never had kids."
Riiiiiight. Its always a bad idea to become informed before becoming a parent. :roll: "
No, I have to disagree with you, its a great idea to become informed, prior to becoming a parent. One of many ways is to listen to others who have experience.
Gaining as much knowledge from others prior to taking the first step in anything will always help facilitate the transition and will help position yourself to be more successful in whatever it is you are working torwards
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Sarcasm detector malfunctioning?
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My god you program trolls are relentless. :smokin:
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My god you program trolls are relentless.........We aren't all rude like you.
ahem, I think you got caught up in your underwear on that one, seems you were the one being rude. Is Program trolls Character assassination? Or am I twisting words again?
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'Trolls' is an acceptable internet term for what you are. Look it up.
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On 2005-12-19 20:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"'Trolls' is an acceptable internet term for what you are. Look it up."
Maybe to me, but not all find this an acceptable term, some may take offense to it. I think most of us contribute and are proactively involved in the subjects. But I agree that I have seen some who enjoy disruption and being rude and avoid debate on the important subjects, interjecting breifly with foul language and anger.
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On 2005-12-19 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My god you program trolls are relentless. :smokin: "
Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa. I had no idea being polite OR inclusive was an issue for Nils.
:lol:
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On 2005-12-19 17:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My god you program trolls are relentless. :smokin: "
Maybe for openers, by not calling them "Program Trolls" why lump all the kids together and label them?
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n Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the inflammatory message itself posted by a troll or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" (the gerund) is also commonly used to describe the activity.
why would anyone STOP calling you what you ARE? :???:
:lol:
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You are trolls because you take one word from Niles post and turn it into this shitfest you see now. Go back to your BBS and cry to them about it.::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2::
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:rofl:
When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
--Lily Tomlin, American actress
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On 2005-12-20 10:10:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
" :rofl: When we talk to god, it's prayer. When god talks to us, it's schizophrenia.
--Lily Tomlin, American actress
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BEWARE: AD HOMINEM ATTACK IMMINENT!!!!
Geez, Nils, you just made a veiled threat to stab people in the neck, and then you made it all about winning or losing. I thought you became a grown-up a week or two back?
This all does relate to the topic. You make claims but your ignorance and lack of logic undermine your credibility.
Is "pedantic" your new hot term, by the way? My compliments to your vocab teacher . . .
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::smokingun:: ::hehehmm::
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On 2005-12-20 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are trolls because you take one word from Niles post and turn it into this shitfest you see now. Go back to your BBS and cry to them about it.::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2:: ::bwahaha2:: "
Whoops, You are the one who brought up Polite and inclusive I never did.
Hint: You should read more slowly.
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On 2005-12-20 14:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
" ::smokingun:: ::hehehmm:: "
If you ask the librarian she can point you to the section where books have words in them along with pictures. Then eventually books with all words, no pictures. Sort of an evolutionary thing, inevitable for most of us.
But the main thing is you are communicating, which is a good thing.
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Troll, it's obvious you are making all these posts yourself to disrupt this board. You are pathetic. :wave:
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If you ask the librarian she can point you to the section where books have words in them along with pictures. Then eventually books with all words, no pictures. Sort of an evolutionary thing, inevitable for most of us.
But the main thing is you are communicating, which is a good thing.
oh my gosh thats so funny... wait a second.. ahhhh
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On 2005-12-20 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If you ask the librarian she can point you to the section where books have words in them along with pictures. Then eventually books with all words, no pictures. Sort of an evolutionary thing, inevitable for most of us.
But the main thing is you are communicating, which is a good thing.
oh my gosh thats so funny... wait a second.. ahhhh
(http://http://jk0.org/temp/lol/lollerbate2.gif)
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Sorry, I do tend to let go once in a while, didnt mean to make fun of ones' short comings.
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Sorry, I do tend to let go once in a while, didnt mean to make fun of ones' short comings.
nothing to apologize for ... we enjoy watching you programmies squirm! since you have no argument for your abusive, murderous position, you attack.. no need to explain.. we understand you cultees perfectly well.
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"GOT TO GET THE LAST WORD!"
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On 2005-12-20 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sorry, I do tend to let go once in a while, didnt mean to make fun of ones' short comings.
nothing to apologize for ... we enjoy watching you programmies squirm! since you have no argument for your abusive, murderous position, you attack.. no need to explain.. we understand you cultees perfectly well.
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"GOT TO GET THE LAST WORD!""
Ha!Ha! I think I work with this guy, mind if I borrow that? I am sparked, thanks.
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On 2005-12-20 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sorry, I do tend to let go once in a while, didnt mean to make fun of ones' short comings.
nothing to apologize for ... we enjoy watching you programmies squirm! since you have no argument for your abusive, murderous position, you attack.. no need to explain.. we understand you cultees perfectly well.
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"GOT TO GET THE LAST WORD!""
Sorry your frustrated, just making a valid argument, no trolling.
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On 2005-12-01 07:53:00, BuzzKill wrote:
"The months in the hobbit and the frozen orange as well as a busted up mouth, were sworn to in Federal court by his father.
Other SCL students have mentioned this young man and what he was made to endure. His name still pops up in student's accounts from time to time. They attest to the truth of the allegations.
It happened alright.
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Were you at this hobbit with the kid? It's still an allegation regardless if the father testified or not. You have NO idea how many kids will use ploys like this to convince their parents they need to be taken home. I've known two that believed their kid. One sent the kid back to the same school - the other was so embarrased that she believed her kid that she continues to tell how abused her poor child was. All the while the kid drives an expensive car, has the best clothes and can do whatever she pleases - including having an abortion. She admitted to ME that it was a lie, but to anyone else, she has to keep up the front, she says, to
save face. Too bad...sounds like the lot of you all here.
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I personally know of two students who were condemned to spend months in the hobbit. You might not want to believe it, but they DO torture and abuse kids at SCL. Especially up in the hobbit, away from the prying eyes of students and other staff. Yes, it gets cold enough to freeze an orange in the hobbit. You program freaks are a paranoid bunch, that think all teens are out to get you. After sending them to WWASP, I wouldn't be surprised if that is true. :wink:
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Karlye Newman also wrote home telling her parents about the dangers of WWASP. Instead her parents ignored her pleas, and she never got the help she needed and took her own life while at SCL. Of course, I'm sure the program just considers that 'manipulation' though... :roll:
RIP Karlye and all the other victims of WWASP.
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Who ever you are defending SCL abuse tactics
Fuck you. I too have spoken with many kids who have had first hand experience and who are aware of what went on in the Hobbit and in other wwasp facility. They all dont lie.
YOU are being lied to and manipulated.
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There were some disturbing things I saw in the hobbit that gave me even more concerns than I already had about "programs." I was never sent to the hobbit for bad behavior, but as a level 3 I was there to help out with general work sometimes. My concerns: when the "students" are restrained it is with excess force, the "students" are restrained often when not neccessary and simply for the entertainment of the staff, the staff uses cruel and unusual tactics for behavior modification (not only in the hobbit), and many more...
Yes, "students" do lie and try to manipulate their parents in hopes of being "pulled" sooner, and often truth is mistaked or distorted by staff to get more money from the parents meaning a longer stay for the kids. They have a whole pathetic routine to try to manipulate the parents. If lying meant a better chance of leaving a shithole like SCL or other similar "programs" that are very similar to prisions... WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU WERE A "STUDENT" THERE AND YOU DID NOT DESERVE IT LIKE FEW OF THEM DO?...
Peace... ::dove::
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