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Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 01:55:00 PM

Marla left HLA in February 2005. She wrote an open letter about the academy to help us all.
Does anyone know where to find that letter. I have tried Fornits data base, it seems to have
disappeared. Thanks.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 01:57:00 PM

they took her to court

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 02:31:00 PM

AMAZING FORUMS: Teacher Runs From HLA

Author Topic: Teacher Runs From HLA
marla posted 2/7/05 5:15 PM
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I am a rare adult survivor of HLA - I got out IN FEBRUARY 2005,with a little sanity left. After teaching special education for nearly 20 years, I only survived 6 months at HLA. The kids don't feel they can talk to their counselors - maybe its manipulation - maybe not, so they told me things, but I was not in a position to do much except listen without criticizing them and then report safety concerns.ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL." They certainly can't tell their parents their real feelings and experiences without being punished for being manipulative by those who are assigned to monitor their mail, email and phone calls. HLA is not the panacea for all teen problems - most of which kids grow out of or learn to use to their advantage in the business world. Some HLA kids need counseling, some need AA, some need psych hospitals; most need love and time to mature - most are there because their parents were MANIPULATED BY ED. CONSULTANTS AND HLA advertisements. Want a GREAT LAUGH? Go to "struggling teens.com/archives/2001/6/visit01.html" this is a site from "Woodbury Reports, Inc." some ed. consultant deal out of Idaho. This site, while only a few years old, certainly did not describe the HLA I just left. The article claimed the campus was attractive - that's about the only info. I can agree with in their entire review. All the "players" names have changed, except Len, who still owns it and seems like a decent guy, only he leaves the "Mice to play" while he does all his other business things and they do whatever they find most convenient (and maybe even sadistically fun). The article says all teachers are certified - try maybe 20%! The site claims all the kids have IEPs - not! Even if they come in with an IEP, HLA does not have to abide by it because they are a private institution. 100% do not attend college! The cafeteria does not over look the lake - maybe they visited on a rainy day! Restrictions kids get less food and water and are supervised by folks with questionable objectives. Most of the counselors are straight out of college with no experience, so they buy into what the administrators feed them about treating kids in a very punitive way and being constantly suspicious, not to mention telling them behavior modification works. It has been proven that behavior modification in humans is temporary at best.PARENTS - DO YOURSELF AND YOUR WALLET A FAVOR - BEFORE PICKING ANY BOARDING SCHOOL, VISIT UNANNOUNCED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER PLACING YOUR KID IN ONE, VISIT UNANNOUNCED. Refuse to be treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and fed crap! (Parents need to know when their son has been beaten up by a group of homophobic guys. (Some of the kids who came to tell me their problems were gay and felt they were being discriminated against because of this by their counselors and others.) Parents need to know when their daughter has stepped in big puddles of blood first thing in the morning that were left behind by her suicidal roomate. Parents need to know that group therapy has been shown to be more harmful than helpful for "cutters." THIS IS ALL SERIOUS AND FROM THE HEART BECAUSE I TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 03:17:00 PM

I heard whisperings the school took her to court..Do you know for sure or the outcome???

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 04:31:00 PM

They did take her to court, they did not treat her very well when she left. I don't know the final outcome, there was talk of a settlement, but not realy in her favor. There are a lot of former staff out here that have either be threatened or actually taken to court. Try contacting some of them through this board.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 10:32:00 PM

Do you know why they took her to court?? And, I am trying to find these teachers and staff...Can you help? I also am trying to find the names of the court ordered children over the years...HLA
maintains there are no court ordered children...
also, suicide attempts are apparently null, but not according to the children that attended there. Thanks..

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:34:00 PM

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On 2005-11-28 19:32:00, Juniper1 wrote:

"Do you know why they took her to court?? And, I am trying to find these teachers and staff...Can you help? I also am trying to find the names of the court ordered children over the years...HLA

maintains there are no court ordered children...

also, suicide attempts are apparently null, but not according to the children that attended there. Thanks.."

Unless there have been some serious policy changes there are a great deal of court ordered kids there, as well as suicide attempts and occasional success'.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Deborah on November 29, 2005, 12:14:00 AM

Juniper1, are you the same person who posted under Juniper?
http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term= ... mit=Search (http://fornits.com/wwf/search.php?term=&addterms=any&forum=all&search_username=juniper&sortby=p.post_time&searchboth=both&submit=Search)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 29, 2005, 12:18:00 AM

Robert,
There have to be records somewhere regarding court ordered, probation officers, etc..THe
school still says they do not accept them,
although apparently, we feel we know different.."SSH" maintained awhile back that she
sent out grades to probation officers...HLA
also states tht they do not have violent children there....Hello??????????WHat a web
they weave...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 29, 2005, 12:19:00 AM

yes, Hi.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on November 29, 2005, 12:21:00 AM

Sorry, yes, it is me...it has been awhile...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 06:49:00 AM

No child has ever committed suicide at the school. Robert is incorrect.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 06:51:00 AM

that is a fact, that and there was only one real attempt in the last three years

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 09:37:00 AM

Susie,
You claim to have had no contact with HLA since 2000 and that no one is currently providing you with information; yet you continue to speak on their behalf. Why are you speaking anonymously like an authority?

You still haven't copped to blatantly lying in your anonymous postings.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#142029 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=100#142029)
Why again aren't you using your user name?

Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies? Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#148107 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=120#148107)
Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?

What... your contacts can't answer this question for you? Or would you prefer to leave that can of worms sealed?

Wonder which Insurance companies have been defrauded- paying for 'tuition' to a 'private boarding school'?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 09:44:00 AM

I didnt answer the insurance question because I dont know the answer to it. If you want to know the answer why dont you call the insurance commissioner or the school. And my only contact is with my son's father and I dont discuss school issues with him. And as far as posting anonymously I didnt ever care whether or not anybody knew who I was, doesnt matter to me. I am speaking on my own behalf on what I know personally, I am not speaking for the school.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:12:00 AM

If that is the case, then on what do you base the comment that there had only been one suicide attempt in the past three years?
Not your comment? What are the chances that your side kick was posting between 3:49 and 3:56 as well?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#150253 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12817&forum=41&start=10#150253)
3:51
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#150254 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12817&forum=41&start=10#150254)
3:55
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#150255 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=100#150255)
and 3:56
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 110#150256 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=110#150256)

For whatever reason, you obviously do care or you'd own your comments by using your user name.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2005, 10:14:00 AM

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On 2005-11-29 06:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I didnt answer the insurance question because I dont know the answer to it. If you want to know the answer why dont you call the insurance commissioner or the school. And my only contact is with my son's father and I dont discuss school issues with him. And as far as posting anonymously I didnt ever care whether or not anybody knew who I was, doesnt matter to me. I am speaking on my own behalf on what I know personally, I am not speaking for the school. "

Than how can you claim to know such up to date things, like how the school is licensed, food rationing regulations, health code standards, and how many people have either committed suicide there or how many have attempted to do so?

How can you know all of these things if you dont work there and you dont speak with your ex concerning the school?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2005, 10:20:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-11-29 06:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I didnt answer the insurance question because I dont know the answer to it. If you want to know the answer why dont you call the insurance commissioner or the school. And my only contact is with my son's father and I dont discuss school issues with him. And as far as posting anonymously I didnt ever care whether or not anybody knew who I was, doesnt matter to me. I am speaking on my own behalf on what I know personally, I am not speaking for the school. "

You know what maybe we should take your advice. Maybe we should call up the different insurance companies and let them know they are paying for children to attend a traditional boarding school. Maybe call up the IRS as well, I wonder what kind of effect that would have?

What do you think?

Also Im still waiting to hear your opinion on what you think HLA should be licensed as. A theraputic boarding school, or a traditional boarding school.

Let me know.

You know Ive got to admit I didnt even notice the time stamps on those post, it appears you and your friend are either the same person or have a very close relationship.

Which is it Susie?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:33:00 AM

One of the most flagrant frauds perpetrated within the industry.

Identify as a private boarding school to avoid safety regulations and oversight.... advertise as a therapeutic facility and accept insurance money.
The fraud needs to be exposed.

I suppose the IRS could also supeona the names of previous clients and treat them to an audit to determine if they'd written off the expenses related to the child attending a PBS.

Where Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
If you have information about an individual or company you suspect is not complying with the tax law, report this activity.
http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforceme ... 59,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/compliance/enforcement/article/0,,id=121259,00.html)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:38:00 AM

Are you a tax rat?

The IRS welcomes calls about suspected tax fraud -- so long as your information is legit.
April 1, 2005: 3:54 PM EST
By Jeanne Sahadi, CNN/Money senior staff writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) ? If you're like most Americans, you believe everyone should pay their fair share of taxes. So you may get a little miffed by people whom you suspect don't.

You may, in fact, be tempted to rat them out.

Last year, nearly 294,000 people called the IRS hotline for reporting tax fraud (1-800-829-0433) with tips on folks they thought were skirting their tax-paying obligations. But many complainants also have personal reasons for trying to snag someone.

"We encourage people to use that phone line if they know of or suspect fraud," said IRS spokesperson Eric Smith. But, he also noted, "we don't get a real high percentage of good leads from those calls."

The reason: callers often have incomplete information or are transparent in their quest for revenge.

How do you know if you fall into the latter category? "Ask yourself, 'If I didn't have any emotional involvement, would I consider this to be important?'" Smith said.

If you do offer IRS investigators serious leads, it may be willing to pay you for the favor. IRS Publication 733 offers details on the conditions under which the agency pays rewards and how to claim them. And for more information on rewards paid, click here.

The amount of the rewards offered range from 1 percent of the amount the IRS recovers in a case up to -- but not exceeding -- $10 million. :eek:

Most tax issues are not handled in a criminal manner, Smith said. Of the criminal cases undertaken by the IRS, most involve hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. "It's not going to happen with very small amounts," he said.

Good to know if you're choosing between snitching on the guy who pockets restaurant receipts to write off as business expenses and the guy you're pretty sure is involved in money laundering schemes.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 10:38:00 AM

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2005, 10:53:00 AM

I would guess by this point HLA is out of the "small amounts" category.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 11:58:00 AM

Dennis Jay at Coalition Against Insurance Fraud might be interested in exposing the apparent fraud on his website:
http://insurancefraud.org/ (http://insurancefraud.org/)

In 2004, health care expenditures were estimated at $2.1 trillion which represents 15.5 percent of the Gross Domestic Product. By the year 2012, CMS estimates total health care spending to exceed $3.1 trillion. With health care expenditures rising at three times the rate of inflation, it is especially important to coordinate all investigative efforts to combat fraud within the health care system. The FBI is the primary investigative agency in the fight against health care fraud, and has jurisdiction over both the federal and private insurance programs. With more than $1 trillion being spent in the private sector on health care and its related services, the FBI's efforts are crucial to the success of the overall program. The FBI leverages its resources in both the private and public arenas through investigative partnerships with agencies such as the U. S. Department of Health and Human Services-Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), Defense Criminal Investigative Service, Office of Personnel Management, Internal Revenue Service and various state and local agencies. On the private side, the FBI is actively involved with national groups, such as the National Health Care Anti-Fraud Association (NHCAA), the Blue Cross and Blue Shield Association (BCBSA), the American Association of Retired Persons and the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud, as well as many other professional and grass-roots efforts to expose and investigate fraud within the system.
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/financi ... 005.htm#c1 (http://www.fbi.gov/publications/financial/fcs_report052005/fcs_report052005.htm#c1)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

Since I have no idea who the other person posting is, why dont you do your IP search that you are so good at to see that we aren't the same person. I know I am posting from outside the state of Georgia. I have no idea where they are posting from. As far as what the school should be classifed as, I have no idea how that is determined. But from what I have seen, it seems it could be considered both in different circumstances. THat would be something that would need to be taken up by someone other than me to determine that.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 12:36:00 PM

I stand by what I said, there has only been one real attempted suicide in the last three years, how do I know, I was there. are there students that intentionaly harm themselves, yes, there were several. but as far as actuall suicide attempts, only one.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:53:00 PM

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On 2005-11-29 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Since I have no idea who the other person posting is, why dont you do your IP search that you are so good at to see that we aren't the same person. I know I am posting from outside the state of Georgia. I have no idea where they are posting from. As far as what the school should be classifed as, I have no idea how that is determined. But from what I have seen, it seems it could be considered both in different circumstances. THat would be something that would need to be taken up by someone other than me to determine that. "

HAHAHA yet somehow you both magically decide to post at the same time. You keep forgetting Bullfrog, the rest of us are all smarter than you.

Please tell me more about how the school can be classified as both a traditional boarding school and a theraputic one? How is this possible legally? Or even ethically? Is there such an allowance at the state level to register as one, yet advertise as another.

I know youre to stupid and weak to answer the question honestly, but offer your opinion at the very least.

Do you think it is okay morally and ethically for the school to be registered with the state as a traditional, but advertise and operate as a theraputic?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:55:00 PM

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On 2005-11-29 09:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I stand by what I said, there has only been one real attempted suicide in the last three years, how do I know, I was there. are there students that intentionaly harm themselves, yes, there were several. but as far as actuall suicide attempts, only one."

I see, what classifies as an actual suicide attempt and what you determine to be just intentionally hurting themselves?

Since you work there maybe you can convince your boss to swing by here and answer a few questions.

Like I said before if he has nothing to hide, what does he have to lose?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:10:00 PM

I'm not "the bull frog" and I don't work there, so who is smarter?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:11:00 PM

ans as far as hurting yourself vs. attempting suicide, there is a big difference. perhaps you should try it.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 02:20:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 11:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I'm not "the bull frog" and I don't work there, so who is smarter?"

Still us.

If you arent the bullfrog you have a very close relationship with her ugly ass.

If you arent an employee there you were either:

A. A student, this is however unlikely, students dont stay there for three years unless they get dropped at least twice, or after graduating come back for additional time.

B. A former employee who was either fired or quit.

or

C. A liar.

So which is it?

Also why dont you respond to the question regarding the licensure issue. What is your opinion on the matter?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:23:00 PM

former staff, and I already posted my opinion of the whole license issue. as for the "bullfrog" don't know her, never met her.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 02:27:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 11:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"ans as far as hurting yourself vs. attempting suicide, there is a big difference. perhaps you should try it."

Which one hurting myself or attempting suicide? HAHAHAHA what a typical HLA remark. One that in fact was suggested to me by an upper level staff member while at HLA.

It was a moment or two later when the staff member found himself having been punched in the face and bleeding profusley.

I figured if he liked pain Id simply help him out a little.

In fact there were several students who when in conflict with the staff iregardless of having no suicidal tendencies were encouraged to attempt to kill themselves.

Was this a tactic you learned at HLA?

Did it ever work?

Have you thought about trying it yourself? I mean you dont seem to be doing anything worth while. No one really needs you around. It would probably be better that way. Sort of an opposite "Its a wonderfull life" for you. I on the other hand am needed, I mean just think if I wasnt here who else would there be to expose you people and dispell the propoganda youve been instructed to spew off?

Let me ask you, is a kid who cuts his wrist trying to kill himself or simply hurt himself?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 02:31:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 11:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"former staff, and I already posted my opinion of the whole license issue. as for the "bullfrog" don't know her, never met her. "

No you didnt, you lied and claimed they werent required to be licensed.

Also can you explain the coincidence that not only do you two agree on everything, but you post so often at the exact same time.

As I said before if you arent her you have a very close relationship with her. Maybe youre that vagrant we talked about earlier who wrecked her marriage.

Also if you no longer work there, how can you testify as to the suicide situation is there?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:48:00 PM

My commment about you "giving it a try" was nothing that I learned at HLA, just my personal advice because I think that your a pompus little ass... as for the suicide situation, you never asked when I was there. If you care to take a swing at me, ok.. as I said before you have no idea who I am, when I was there, and a lot more. But if it will make you feel like a big man.. ok.. take your best shot.. the I'll give you a 500 yard head start...then well we'll just have to see.
My thoughts about the license issue is that it appears that they are operating wit in the letter of the law, albiet perhaps not the spirit of it. Imagine a private company that does not "realy" follow the law, the shock of it all.

Then again, maybe I am useing this forum, as you so aptly put it " cheap entertainment" I just wish the Overlord was still here, now he was funny. Your just mildly amusing.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 03:14:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 11:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My commment about you "giving it a try" was nothing that I learned at HLA, just my personal advice because I think that your a pompus little ass... as for the suicide situation, you never asked when I was there. If you care to take a swing at me, ok.. as I said before you have no idea who I am, when I was there, and a lot more. But if it will make you feel like a big man.. ok.. take your best shot.. the I'll give you a 500 yard head start...then well we'll just have to see.

My thoughts about the license issue is that it appears that they are operating wit in the letter of the law, albiet perhaps not the spirit of it. Imagine a private company that does not "realy" follow the law, the shock of it all.

Then again, maybe I am useing this forum, as you so aptly put it " cheap entertainment" I just wish the Overlord was still here, now he was funny. Your just mildly amusing. "

Awwww how cute. You want to talk big behind a computer screen. To bad the real thing cant back it up. Then again I guess thats why you took a job at HLA, youre such a weak person, always picked on and abused by your peers, you have this inate need to seek revenge. Unfortunalty the only ones you can really do that to effectivly are children. The fact of the matter is your a pathetic little weakling, as are all child abusers, and like all child abusers you cower in fear when the pup grows up to a be a big dog. Knowing those facts alone makes it all worth while. :grin:

Now as to your comments, Im sure you do find me to be a "pompus little ass" Im sure your very frustrated at not being able to defeat any of my or others arguments. Im suprised you arent used to that by now. Its to bad for you the truth prevails in this situation. You should get used to that to.

Explain to me how HLA is operating within the "letter of the law" as you put it. They are lying to the state about their purpose are they not? Whether or not this is a common practice has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it is ethically and morally responsible for a school that claims to enstill those very values in children is itself behaving hypocritically.

Is your argument just because others are doing it, its okay?

Is this the offical stance of HLA?

Whats even more important is why they are doing it. The reason being to avoid the obeying the regulations concerning discipline and a means for students to air their greivances to the state. Also we cant forget if HLA obeyed the law students would be able to communicate with their parents truthfully without fear of consequence. No HLA cant have that can they.

Again though if they have nothing to hide why instill such a policy?

Get back to me on those.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Jarhead6 on November 30, 2005, 03:35:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: Jarhead6 on 2006-01-25 11:03 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 03:41:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 12:35:00, Jarhead6 wrote:

"pm me then, we'll meet face to face and then we can discuss all of this"

Oh look the curtain is pulled back and the wizard revealed. Why the need for private messages? Is there something youd like to tell me you feel you cant share with the rest of the class?

Private message me if you want, but Im a very open guy. All about honesty. I guess thats why the staff never cared to much for me at HLA.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Jarhead6 on November 30, 2005, 04:58:00 PM

[ This Message was edited by: Jarhead6 on 2006-01-25 11:03 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 05:07:00 PM

the friendly, helpful marine. who would've guessed.

"My commment about you "giving it a try" was nothing that I learned at HLA, just my personal advice because I think that your a pompus little ass... as for the suicide situation, you never asked when I was there. If you care to take a swing at me, ok.. as I said before you have no idea who I am, when I was there, and a lot more. But if it will make you feel like a big man.. ok.. take your best shot.. the I'll give you a 500 yard head start...then well we'll just have to see.
My thoughts about the license issue is that it appears that they are operating wit in the letter of the law, albiet perhaps not the spirit of it. Imagine a private company that does not "realy" follow the law, the shock of it all.
Then again, maybe I am useing this forum, as you so aptly put it " cheap entertainment" I just wish the Overlord was still here, now he was funny. Your just mildly amusing."

Soooo professional. Still working with kids, marine?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 05:26:00 PM

hey marine
one second your such a nice guy
now your gonna crack someone in the mouth
im not scared of military tough guys
in fact, last time i was at a bar, my buddy choke slammed a marine.
no lie.
if you'd like to see if he can repeat the feat your welcome to it.
come up to philadelphia if you feel so fucking tough.
making threats over the internet is fucking pathetic.
especially for a man who is supposed to represent the ideals of our country in a time of war, and to fight for our people.
whether you are currently active in the service, or not, it doesnt matter, that kind of behavior, the internet threats is normally restricted to 14 year olds with bad acne that play online video games. does it make you feel tough?
because it doesnt impress me, not one bit.
i dont welcome violence, or encourage it, but im hardly afraid of it.

dan pg 26

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 05:28:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 13:58:00, Jarhead6 wrote:

"no curtain, I'm just lazy at times. you however seem to hide and make your claims. but it is so easy to get you all out of sorts and start making all sorts of personal attacks. you want to go after the school, go ahead. I think that your jousting at windmills, but to each his own. How much time did you spend going round and round with aften, that was such a waste of time. You are so easy to get off task, and into petty little pissing contests. you seemed to make so many assumtions that it was amusing to watch you. My offer of a pm was so that you could find me and have the opertunity to punch me in the mouth."

No trust me if I wanted to hide out of fear like you and bullfrog, id post anonymously. The reality is I want parents to be able to contact me for information if need be. Plus its easier to network this way. Im interested though in your claims of me making a personal attack on you.

Did you not suggest I kill myself?

You dont view this as a personal attack? I told you in your private message the same rules dont apply in the real world as they do in HLA. You dont get to be a hypocrite out here without being called on it. You arent right just because you say so. If you cant adjust I suggest you go back to HLA, because you wont find any sympathy out here.

As to jousting at windmills. Well thats not really the reality now is it? These windmills really are dragons arent they. This dragon really does abuse children doesnt it. While it may pretend to be just a windmill the truth is fastly being exposed.

You claim that arguing with Aften was a waste of time. Where is Aften these days? Shes certiannly not here. Why is that? Maybe its because she couldnt handle being exposed for what she is. Maybe she couldnt handle having so many questions she couldnt answer. Maybe she couldnt stand not having a rebuttal to any of my comments towards her, highlighting her assumptions about people she had never met, knew nothing about, and how she was acting exactly like an HLA staff member. I suppose its a possibility. But if thats the case then I guess it wasnt such a waste of time afterall was it? :grin:

Also Im wondering what you consider "off task" is highlighting the typical behavior found in HLA staff members off task? I dont think so. I mean just you today using the tried and true method of telling someone to kill themselves is a tactic often employed by HLA staff members. We could discuss that if you like. Or perhaps you could stop dodging the issues concerning licensure. Or since you were on restrictions we could talk about food rationing. You pick.

Oh and please list off the assumptions I have made. Shouldnt be to hard for you.

Also and thank you for adding to my laughter for today. You claim Im the one getting all riled up, but here you are wanting to fight me? :grin:
Yeah youre cool as a cucumber pal. HAHAHAHAHAHA

Again typical staff behavior, well typical behavior of anyone on the lower end of the inteligence spectrum (which is generally one and the same) you cant win an argument with words or by simply using your mind, so you want to get physical. It wont change anything, and youll lose either way.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 05:29:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"hey marine

one second your such a nice guy

now your gonna crack someone in the mouth

im not scared of military tough guys

in fact, last time i was at a bar, my buddy choke slammed a marine.

no lie.

if you'd like to see if he can repeat the feat your welcome to it.

come up to philadelphia if you feel so fucking tough.

making threats over the internet is fucking pathetic.

especially for a man who is supposed to represent the ideals of our country in a time of war, and to fight for our people.

whether you are currently active in the service, or not, it doesnt matter, that kind of behavior, the internet threats is normally restricted to 14 year olds with bad acne that play online video games. does it make you feel tough?

because it doesnt impress me, not one bit.

i dont welcome violence, or encourage it, but im hardly afraid of it.

dan pg 26"

My sentiments exactly.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

***I stand by what I said, there has only been one real attempted suicide in the last three years, how do I know, I was there. are there students that intentionaly harm themselves, yes, there were several. but as far as actuall suicide attempts, only one.

Was that the one the ex-staff spoke of? Did ?Doug S? tell her to cut again?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#150078 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12817&forum=41&start=#150078)
ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL."

Your comment to RB, combined with this report and ex-students comments would suggest that kids may be encouraged to hurt themselves. Is this an attempt to fake them out? What is the therapeutic take on this? How can you be sure which ones will act and which won't? And which injuries are considered actual attempts or just 'self injury'?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 30, 2005, 06:16:00 PM

Robert this is SHH, and I have never ever been "afraid" of anything on this board or anything you have said. But feel free to live out your little fantasy if you like. I find it amusing.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 06:27:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 15:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Robert this is SHH, and I have never ever been "afraid" of anything on this board or anything you have said. But feel free to live out your little fantasy if you like. I find it amusing."

Is it a fantasy Susie? Why then did you lie about your identity? Why do you have to pick and choose what you will and will not answer? Why do you seem to conviently leave the board whenever there are to many questions you cant answer?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 30, 2005, 07:50:00 PM

I have never "left" the board. I view it at the very least on a weekly basis. Sometimes I choose to respond, and sometimes I dont. Its called free will. And I didnt hide my identity out of fear. I chose to post anonymously on occasion because whenever I type using my user name you don't even view the content you lash out at me in a personal way no matter what I have typed. So I chose to post anonymously in some posts, but as far as whether or not you figured out which posts are mine (and you havent with all of them), I could care less. And as far as picking and choosing which questions to answer, as I have said a hundred times before, if I dont KNOW the answer, then I dont answer. Its pretty simple Robert. Too bad you cant grasp that concept.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 08:02:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 16:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have never "left" the board. I view it at the very least on a weekly basis. Sometimes I choose to respond, and sometimes I dont. Its called free will. And I didnt hide my identity out of fear. I chose to post anonymously on occasion because whenever I type using my user name you don't even view the content you lash out at me in a personal way no matter what I have typed. So I chose to post anonymously in some posts, but as far as whether or not you figured out which posts are mine (and you havent with all of them), I could care less. And as far as picking and choosing which questions to answer, as I have said a hundred times before, if I dont KNOW the answer, then I dont answer. Its pretty simple Robert. Too bad you cant grasp that concept."

What difference does it make if we caught all your anonymous post. The fact that we caught you at all when you lied (something you claimed you never do) about who you were. This proves youre afraid. Why else would you hide your own identity. Further if there are issues that you dont know the answer to why then would you ever discuss it to begin with? You seem to pride yourself on discussing issues so long as you know nothing about them, and then claim ignorance when your faced with a difficult question.

An example would be the issues concerning you revealing information about Devin, you refuse to answer the questions put to you on the matter because you are afraid.

Just like you refused to answer the follow up questions regarding the licensure issues.

Just like you refused to follow up with the health department.

I read each and everyone of your pointless ramblings, I do so I can respond to each and everyone, something you cant do..again out of fear.

You are afraid of the truth. It is undeniable Mrs. Gray, just accept it.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 30, 2005, 08:05:00 PM

I answered every question about the kid Devon. I have told you at least 10 times that I met the kid at the school. I have never seen his personal file, nor do I have any idea any of his personal information. You just choose not to believe me. Thats your choice, but its not the truth. I am not afraid of the truth Robert because I speak the truth. You on the other hand, well, we will see won't we. Oh and by the way, how do you even know that the kid you supposedly speak of, the Devon you say doesnt remember me, is the same Devon that I met back then? Probably isn't.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 08:12:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 17:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I answered every question about the kid Devon. I have told you at least 10 times that I met the kid at the school. I have never seen his personal file, nor do I have any idea any of his personal information. You just choose not to believe me. Thats your choice, but its not the truth. I am not afraid of the truth Robert because I speak the truth. You on the other hand, well, we will see won't we. Oh and by the way, how do you even know that the kid you supposedly speak of, the Devon you say doesnt remember me, is the same Devon that I met back then? Probably isn't. "

No trust me you have not answered every question put to you. For instance I asked you how you could claim that he and I similar personalities, since as you claim you only met him once, and that quite breifly.

If you have nothing to fear answer the question.

Oh and yes it is the same kid, because Bullfrog you fucked up.

He was only there for three months. :grin:

Oh and dont kid yourself you barely know what the meaning of the word truth is. You lie on a regular basis. Do you want to regal us further with your claims that students are never hidden from visitors or Educational Consultants. Or how about your claim that students were not used as slave labor around campus? Or how about your discussions of no food rationing?

Id love to put you to shame and discuss all of those issues further if you like.

Let me know.

Also given the last post can you explain how you claimed you never lie, yet you were proven to have done so?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 30, 2005, 09:31:00 PM

How do you know there aren't two Devons who attended for a short time?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 10:44:00 PM

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On 2005-11-30 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How do you know there aren't two Devons who attended for a short time? "

I love how you ignored every single question I just put to you. Again out of fear.

To respond to your stupid question, the answer is no there werent. Do you want to argue that there were to Devin's between 1997-1999 that as you claim were a "pain in the ass" (still waiting on that libel question from you) and both of whom stayed there for only three months?

What are the chances Bullfrog?

Its the same kid. And you royally screwed yourself. He can sue the shit out of you if he wants, and trust me Im begging him to do it.

I think youll scamper away at this point, thus proving my point.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 01, 2005, 12:02:00 AM

The students are hidden..The ones on restrictions are taken to a place they call the
'CHALET'..fact... Fact....no matter what one calls it ,there have been more than one attempted
suicide...Five that we know of...whether it is by 'slice and dice', hanging, whatever...If the
owner is on the board of a psyche hospital, they
can write the report however they wish to.[ This Message was edited by: Juniper1 on 2005-11-30 21:03 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 01, 2005, 08:00:00 AM

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On 2005-11-30 13:58:00, Jarhead6 wrote:

"no curtain, I'm just lazy at times. you however seem to hide and make your claims. but it is so easy to get you all out of sorts and start making all sorts of personal attacks. you want to go after the school, go ahead. I think that your jousting at windmills, but to each his own. How much time did you spend going round and round with aften, that was such a waste of time. You are so easy to get off task, and into petty little pissing contests. you seemed to make so many assumtions that it was amusing to watch you. My offer of a pm was so that you could find me and have the opertunity to punch me in the mouth."

Posts like this are actually very revealing. This is how staffers at BM warehouses deal with inmates who have legitimate complaints or concerns: get them "out of whack," then punish them severely for "acting out."

It is very common for staff to badger the inmate by telling them things like "Why don't you go ahead and hit me? You know you want to..." I've seen this many times from many unprofessional, uneducated employees. It looks to me like they get off on it.

More importantly it shows that they don't have the cognitive ability to logically and productively overcome their charges' maladaptive thought patterns/behaviors. Since they have such a strong, unnatural need to be "right" all the time, they resort to petty name-calling and challenging children to fight. It's just a sign that these folks are grossly incompetent and have no business working in any therapeutic capacity.

There's nothing more punk and pathetic than an adult who threatens children with violence. Just be aware, potential parents, that you will be handing your kid off to some seriously fucked up folks like this gentleman, "Jarhead."

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 08:27:00 AM

Indeed. Bait and punish.
Who's in need of 'emotional growth'?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 01, 2005, 08:28:00 AM

Robert show me the post where I said between 1997 and 1999.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 09:10:00 AM

SHH
Familiar Face
Joined: 2005-02-13
Posts: 91 to Macaroni
Posted: 2005-04-18 18:06:00
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If this is directed to me, I was an employee for only a year, 1997-1998.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =100#96194 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8631&forum=41&start=100#96194)

I lived on campus from 1997-2001
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This is what I remember from sending out report cards.....and this was 1997-1998
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and that would have been either 1997 or 1998?..I moved up to the school and would have been either Halloween 1998 or 1999
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Robert are you really that stupid? I told you I did progress reports from October 1997 until July 1998. They were done on my home computer and the only info that was on it was grades. They probably changed the way they did them by the time you went there. And you werent there in 1997 or 1998
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Robert I just went back and looked at my posts about your claim that I mentioned some dates in that 3 month figure, which I never remembered doing because I don't remember specifically when that kid was there...I only know it was sometime during the first 3 yrs I was living on campus. And nowhere in my posts did I state those dates of 1997-1998. Those dates are when I was a parttime employee.
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =40#148794 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=40#148794)

FIRST THREE YEARS WOULD BE 1997-1999. WHAT?S THE PROBLEM?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 09:53:00 AM

Well im glad that person was able to save me all that hard work. Oh Susie is it? This is Devin the student whose information you decided to release.

Ive been given the entire update from Dan and RobertBruce as to what's been happening here. Can you explain to me why you feel the need to release information about me? I was at Hidden Lake, and I was there in the time frame you referenced, and I was only there for three months.

Hidden Lake committed a number of crimes against me, left me with issues some of which I still carry to this day. Now I've managed to put the past behind me, and move on with my life. Yet here you are wanting to bring to light the fact that I was there. Susie it's a place I'd soon forget as it did me no good and cost me more than you know. I never came after Hidden Lake and trust me I could have, but if acting as their agent you wish to go down that path, I promise you and Dr. Len will both soon regret it. I will bring down a shit storm like you can't believe. If you are as you claim acting of your own accord, then why did you feel need to bring me into this? Despite your claims you and I never met. I don't know you from Adam and barely knew your husband save one or two encounters. So what gives you the right to pretend you know me? On top of releasing my information? RobertBruce is trying very hard to convince me to seek action against you. At this point I'm leaning against it simply because I don't want to have to dreg all those past abuses. However I think at the very least you owe me an explination and an apology.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 12:11:00 PM

This is a blatant lie. There has never been a suicide at HLA.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 12:18:00 PM

Go ahead and check into it. Parents only get refunded for the time their kids spend in therapy, not their entire tuition.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 01:02:00 PM

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On 2005-12-01 09:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is a blatant lie. There has never been a suicide at HLA."

How do you know?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 01:03:00 PM

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On 2005-12-01 09:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Go ahead and check into it. Parents only get refunded for the time their kids spend in therapy, not their entire tuition."

Do you know where we can check into it ourselves? Thanks. I know in my situation I was forced to pay for the tuition myself and never got anything refunded. Therapy or otherwise.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 01:16:00 PM

***Parents only get refunded for the time their kids spend in therapy, not their entire tuition.

Not sure who's making this declaration. Are you confirming that you are indeed a therapeutic boarding school? In that case, you should be licensed.
What part of the program is not 'therapeutic', given that the patients are being 'treated' for psych dx such as ODD, locked-in 24/7/365 from the outside world, held incommunicado, and aren't allowed to come and go as they please?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 01:29:00 PM

I would assume the insurance commision. Not all insurance companies will refund. Some will not refund group therapy at all. All insurance companies have different policies regarding what the will and will not refund.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 01:31:00 PM

I am not trying to be a smart ass here. This is a legitimate question. Does the state even license therapeutic boarding schools? I know they license RTC's, but that is completely different from what HLA is.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 02:03:00 PM

oh shit
whats up devin

oh man oh man. great deductive reasoning by a bullfrog proves flawed! no fucking way!

dan
pg 26

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 02:20:00 PM

Have you read the definition of RCF?
Which part(s) of the definition do you feel aren't applicable to HLA?

You can argue that they are not an RCF all day, but standard practice is: when any facility cares for children 24/7/365, controls contact with parents/relatives, provides a diagnosis at enrollment and ongoing therapy, dispenses drugs, etc... they should be licensed.

Many states that have regs are largely in the dark. As the Dir of Utah licensing admitted, "We are reactive, not proactive." Whose interest does that serve? Utah DHS promotes programs on their website.

They should be looking at 'services provided' and if they don't have an appropriate 'classification' then create one. In this case, it wouldn't matter if they advertised as a TBS or EGS or PBS, they still meet the definition of an RCF based on services provided.
RCF is the catch-all catagory for all such programs.

What we all know, is that HLA is not/was never a traditional boarding school and that the accreditation organizations they are members of do not provide the same oversight and protection that the state would.

Until parents and Ed Cons refuse to place children in programs that avoid state oversight, hitting them in the pocketbook, this will continue to be a problem. HLA is not the first, or last, to avoid state oversight.

The question remains...Why?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 03:11:00 PM

Having had the time to look over many of her past post, it does not appear she will ever acknowledge what she did was wrong.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 03:53:00 PM

I will have to educate myself on the definitions. However, I do not think the state running something makes it better at all. State govt tends to screw things up, more than fixing it. Look at the public schools.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 04:00:00 PM

You are making a faulty analogy, the issue of how public schools in different state has nothing to do with HLA being improperly registered. The fact of the matter is if they were registered as a theraputic boarding school there would be a means for students to discuss problems they have with the school without fear of reprisal, along with being able to contact their parents unrestricted. I would be interested in hearing an argument from someone stating how this might be a negative thing.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 04:31:00 PM

State wouldn't be 'running' the program. The program would be required to follow state regulations as other child warehousing institutions, which are designed to ensure safety, competence, and basic human rights.

Granted, the state can not absolutely provide protection against all abuse and god knows they run some abusive facilities themselves (the kid who was recently killed at a Ga state-run wilderness program due to illegal restraint), but some protection is better than none.

As it is, HLA is a private corporation and no one is monitoring the 'therapeutic' aspect of the program.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 06:38:00 PM

Ribbit Ribbit.

Where are you Bullfrog. The boy asked you for an apology. I think you owe it to him.

Well I think you owe him and many more people a great deal more, but he is being much nicer than I. As he is willing to accept an apology from you at the moment.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 09:49:00 PM

actually there have been students there as long as 4 years when they start out in 9th grade and stay post grad till grad...example: GIOIA (free gioia?)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 09:50:00 PM

you should know all the policies robert since you used to work there...eh?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 10:18:00 PM

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On 2005-12-01 18:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"actually there have been students there as long as 4 years when they start out in 9th grade and stay post grad till grad...example: GIOIA (free gioia?)"

How many fall into this category? What purpose would it serve? Would the student simply never have to go to reals or would they be dropped over and over again?

If they remain in reals being dropped over and over again in this a testament to the ineffectiveness of the treatment?

If they dont go to reals are they deemed cured and excused from all theraputic aspects of the school? (whats left?)

Also why are you bringing it up? Jar-Jar is in fact former restrictions staff, not a former student.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 10:20:00 PM

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On 2005-12-01 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you should know all the policies robert since you used to work there...eh?"

Hmmm not that I recall stating I know all the policies, but if youd like to offer up the post by all means go right ahead.

However since you brought it up yes I am preety familiar with the day to day policies that I dealt with as an inmate at HLA.

Why which ones would you like to discuss?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 10:39:00 PM

(free gioia?)
I've seen that before. What does it refer to? Was this child really there four years? Why? What were the circumstances?
I've never heard of a kid being signed up for that long upon enrollment. Point being, they are not a four-year-college-prep boarding school. You do your time (18+ months) and move on- either to a traditional boarding school or back home. The later carries no 'guarentee' as I understand it.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 10:45:00 PM

No it most definitely does not.

If anything its a stigma. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-12-01 19:45 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 02, 2005, 08:50:00 PM

"you should know all the policies robert since you used to work there...eh?"

Is there any truth to this ???

Is Robert a former staff instead of a former student?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 02, 2005, 09:24:00 PM

Ummmm no Im a former student.

Why would you believe me to be a former staff member?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 01:35:00 AM

gee, maybe we should as marla?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 02:36:00 PM

Maybe we should. Can you get ahold of her?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 04:21:00 PM

I am sure you can Mr. Bruce

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 07:01:00 PM

No at this point I cannot. You see Buch and the gang got very upset with her for telling the truth. Theyve punished her for not manipulating and for not lying. As such shes suffered at the hands of them as so many of us have. Obviously for said reasons shes remained quiet. Why do you need to talk to her?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 07:23:00 PM

Maybe they got upset with her for lying, not for telling the truth.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 10:01:00 PM

Doubtfull, they sued her for breach of her confidentiality contract, not libel.

:grin:

Not that they agreed with you, but what do you think she lied about?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 10:23:00 PM

Just wanted to make sure you understand how your comment has no merit. Simply because I think its funny.

If HLA believed Marla had lied in her statements concerning them they would have sued her for libel.

They didnt they sued her because she talked at all and violated her confidentiality agreement.

So in effect I was right, they sued her for telling the truth. :grin:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 10:45:00 PM

It was probably easier to sue her for breach of confidentiality by discussing the school at all instead of libel. It doesn't necessarily mean she didnt commit libel. You wouldn't know for sure either way, unless, of course, you work for the attorney's office.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 11:35:00 PM

And perhaps if she'd taken her concern to the appropriate authorities, she wouldn't have been sued at all.
Does reporting suspected abuse constitute a breach of confidentiality?
I find it interesting and curious that other ex-staff (DJ, Jarhead) who 'talk about' HLA are not being sued. Why was Marla targeted?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 12:34:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-12-04 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It was probably easier to sue her for breach of confidentiality by discussing the school at all instead of libel. It doesn't necessarily mean she didnt commit libel. You wouldn't know for sure either way, unless, of course, you work for the attorney's office. "

Oh but by not suing her for libel they arent disputing her claims. They are simply stating theyd rather she didnt talk about them.

Again if the school is really so squeaky clean and has nothing to hide why couldnt they defend their image on court or on here?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 12:36:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-12-04 20:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

And perhaps if she'd taken her concern to the appropriate authorities, she wouldn't have been sued at all.

Does reporting suspected abuse constitute a breach of confidentiality?

I find it interesting and curious that other ex-staff (DJ, Jarhead) who 'talk about' HLA are not being sued. Why was Marla targeted?"

Dysfunction left very early on, employees may not have been forced to sign a confidentiality agreement at that time. Jarhead is pro HLA why would they come after him?

Marla on the other hand did sign an agreement stating she would not tell the truth about HLA. However she choose to do the right thing and suffered for it.

As far as illegal issues I dont believe Marla discussed many of those aspects, although her comments concerning the girl who thought she might kill herself would have warranted DCS intervention.

She may have spoken with them I dont know. She posted on here for the same reason I do. To make sure parents here the truth. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-12-04 21:38 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 05, 2005, 07:37:00 AM

How do you know all this? Did Marla herself tell you? Or did you just hear from someone else about what happened to Marla?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 08:51:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-12-05 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How do you know all this? Did Marla herself tell you? Or did you just hear from someone else about what happened to Marla? "

You seem so interested. Why is that?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 14, 2005, 01:20:00 PM

Posted by a physician in another thread...

"My experience with Hidden Lake Academy was also distressing.

In my opinion, and the opinions of the six other physicians in my practice who followed my HLA misadventure with me, HLA is a predator whose prey is the horrified parents of disturbed teens. It is an institution of opportunity, bringing home its bottom line at the expense of the desperate, frazzled families it exploits.

By the time most parents are introduced to HLA, they've already been through a costly and demoralizing gauntlet of police stations, court appearances, counselor visits, psychiatric evaluations...even hospital visits.

To say they are desperate is an understatement. They are trying to keep their families from self-destructing. In most cases, the only option is turning the child out onto the streets: most insurance policies won't cover mental health care, and even if a family is lucky enough to have good coverage, it is limited to short, individual events. Deeply needed inpatient care is rarely an option for most of these families.

So even considering a modality such as a therapeutic boarding school is a true extravagance. Actually sending the student may mean mortgaging a home, selling it, or even bancruptcy.

Enter Hidden Lake and its ilk.

I was asked by the parents of a young teen to evaluate HLA by its Web site. What stood out to me even more than the philosophy that medical therapy was discouraged were the many typographical errors and careless mistakes on nearly every page of the site. While my own writing is not perfect, I am not registered as a boarding school, responsible for the education of children, presumably overflowing with teachers more than capable of proofreading the very materials provided to the public for the purpose of attracting business.

When I brought my concerns to the attention to the school, they were received with, well, less than warm gratitude. My comments to HLA were meant to be constructive. I was gracious and self-effacing in my original letter because the last thing I wanted was to offend the school. Clearly such niceties were a waste of effort.

Given that the parents are expected to pay upwards of seven thousand dollars per month for the privilege of sending their child to a therapeutic boarding school, I actually expected a minimum of civility. None was evident.

My credentials were questioned?this from an institution whose methods are questionable, at best, from a medical (and psychiatric, I might add) point of view.

Fast forward a few months...and imagine how surprised I was to come across the story of the parent in the previous posts. Am I shocked HLA will not send the child's transcripts? Nope. They demonstrated their pettiness, immaturity, and curious vindictiveness to me, a peer and potential referral base a long time ago. Was I surprised that personal belongings, including necessary daily medications, were sent COD?by ground? Actually, yes.

Not only did that shock me, it caused me to pick up the phone and discuss this gross mismanagement of a patient's medications with a malpractice attorney, who recommends HLA check to be sure their insurance premiums are paid.

To the parent: my suggestion is that you alert your attorney to your experience. Gather all proof of your allegations, including the boxes the personal effects were sent in, the COD receipt(s), the condition of any damaged items, a list of missing items, if any, and proof of payments made to HLA. Regardless of any contract signed (as a previous Anonymous poster cryptically stated), a minimum level of responsibility to the patient's health is required by ANY institution. That minimum includes making reasonable arrangements for the patient to have access to their medications. COD shipping by ground is not, by any standard, "reasonable."

So guess what, parent? You may be getting a sizeable percentage of the "investment" HLA coerced you to pay them right back into your pocket.

I'll be cheering for you from this sideline."

UNBIASED OUTSIDE OPINION BY MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL SAYS HLA IS "PREDATOR" VICTIMIZING PARENTS AND CHILDREN. WAKE UP, PEOPLE. :skull:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 14, 2005, 11:01:00 PM

Well now, ya'll might have noticed that Marla's post to Amazing Forums, has mysteriously dissapeared.

Here's the letter of demand:
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk01.jpg (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk01.jpg)

And here's the attached order:
http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk02.jpg (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk02.jpg)

So I figured out who posted and got their permission to make it go away. We both agree that, ok, you're right, Joe. I don't have time or money to fight you and Judge Stone on this. You could fuck with me so hard my children would suffer unto the 3rd generation.

You have compelled me and another to stiffle one more bit of information that your client finds troubling. But that horse is already out of the chute. Don't you and they know that by now? You can shut ppl up one at a time, but you can't win and you can't do it in secret, either. THAT I'll fight you on. I don't even know much about HLA, I believe about half what I see and less of what I hear. But one thing I can't stand is a fucking bully. One thing bullies can't stand is to be seen.

But you seem like a decent sort of fellow, Joe. I really hope you'll be able, one day, to find better employment. I mean, my god, do you know how fortunate your clients are to have legal representation w/ a 24 hour turn around? Not many clients get that kind of attention, do they? I would think you could land a much better arrangement if you'd just try. Go on, put your resume out there. Don't be skeerd!

Oh, and by the way, have you got a brother named Mark in Boonville, Mo? I've wondered about that for awhile!

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... miamithem' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/040303082X/circlofmiamithem') target='_new'>H. G. Wells

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 12:45:00 AM

Thank you for your willingness to allow us the forum to tell the truth Ginger.

Dont worry they cant silence us all, after all we are right and they are wrong.

No amount of court orders changes that.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 15, 2005, 01:18:00 AM

I cannot believe any of this......If HLA were smart, they would have left things alone...
Now we all know Marlas last name and her attorneys....mmmm..interesting....if they wanted
things hush, hush, they just opened a huge can of worms....Who on earth is running things over there..???

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 15, 2005, 01:41:00 AM

Also, HLA, don't you all have enough to do
without watching this web-site...?? Oh,
by the way, HLA, while you are here, what
exactly are you accredited as?? and, are you a licensed, Georgia Theraputic Boarding School??
Since everyone keeps mumbling about it, why don't
you just answer their questions??? Let's see..
the staff all lie, the children all lie, there is more written about this school than the readers can take in....ex-staff lie, ex-students
lie....it is a bit much.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 15, 2005, 01:51:00 AM

Did Marla give her permission for her personal information to be published here?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 15, 2005, 01:52:00 AM

The hosts would only know that, I think.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 15, 2005, 01:55:00 AM

Also, it is public record, or the letter and order would have been sealed...however, out of respect for her, her full name and attorneys
should probably been blocked out...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 11:01:00 AM

"Oh, by the way, HLA, while you are here, what
exactly are you accredited as?? and, are you a licensed, Georgia Theraputic Boarding School??"

I just went to the Secretary of State Web site for Georgia to research this. Georgia does not licence Therapeutic Boarding Schools.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 12:07:00 PM

Oh but they do license residential treatment centers do they not? We know they do from RC. Post the link you used so we may all see.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 15, 2005, 01:07:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-14 22:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Did Marla give her permission for her personal information to be published here?"

No permission required. Anything in the court order is public information, unless sealed. I have no indication that this is sealed. Joe sent me some additional info in the form of that letter. I have no confidentiality agreement of any kind w/ Joe or HLA or Judge Stone. Therefore, it's fair game. Ask Lenny Englander. I never have heard a peep outa him since I complied w/ his office's letter of demand on behalf of Calvina Fay.

Careful what ya wish for, ya just might get it. :rofl:

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 01:29:00 PM

Then we will just get into the same old argument of whether or not HLA is a RTC or a Therapeutic Boarding School. It just depends on how you interpret it. SACS chose to accredit HLA as a traditional boarding school. That was a reccomendation from the SACS committee after inspecting HLA. HLA does not seek JCAHO accredidation because it does not see itself as an RTC.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 15, 2005, 01:31:00 PM

Hey Joe,
Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Hey Joe,
Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
Goin' down to shoot my old lady
You know I caught her messing around with another man,
Goin' down to shoot my old lady
You know I caught her messing around on me,

Hey Joe,
I heard that you shot your old lady down, (shot down'd the ground)
Hey Joe,
I heard that you shot your old lady down,

Yes I did, I shot her her
You know, I caught that girl messing around town, (that ain't to cool brother)

Yes I did, I shot her her
You know, I caught that girl messing around town
I took out my gun,
Then I shot her!

I shot her!

Hey Joe,
Where you gonna run to now?
Hey Joe,
Where you gonna run to now?
Where you gonna go?

Ain't no hangman gonna,
Get a rope around me,
Ain't no hangman gonna,
Get a rope around me. (no one gonna)

Goin' way down south,
Way down to Mexico way
Goin' way down south,
Way down where I can be free...
_________________________________________________

Hey Joe,

Take your demand letter and pack it up your fruity little ass. You and your clients are as dirty as they come, boy.

Are you aware that your clients are child abusers? Criminals? Liars? Thieves? Yes, of course you are, but you don't care. You don't care that your fees are paid with the destroyed lives of children.

Joe, my man, you are a fucking shylock and a dirtbag, just like the scumbags for whom you work.

Have a nice day.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 04:04:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-15 10:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Then we will just get into the same old argument of whether or not HLA is a RTC or a Therapeutic Boarding School. It just depends on how you interpret it. SACS chose to accredit HLA as a traditional boarding school. That was a reccomendation from the SACS committee after inspecting HLA. HLA does not seek JCAHO accredidation because it does not see itself as an RTC."

This still does not explain why HLA tells ORS they are a traditional boarding school, yet advertise as a theraputic one. Also we are still waiting for that link to the SOS office.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 15, 2005, 05:53:00 PM

Ginger I wasnt talking about whether or not you have an agreement with HLA. I wasn't talking about whether or not this is a matter of public record. I was questioning your lack of judgement on posting Marla's last name and attorney's name on a public message board. She should have given you explicit permission to post them, otherwise, I think it was in poor taste.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 15, 2005, 06:47:00 PM

I suppose it depends on one's sensibilities. I find bullying to be in exremely poor taste.

And it was not I who put Marla's name in the public record in such context. That would be your friends. Anyone with an interest could look it up, and probably has already.

Like I said, bullies really are averse to the light. And they'll do and say damned near anything to deflect blame and attention when they get busted. BTW, did you ever get RB's explicit permission to toss his name around?

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author

_________________
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Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 15, 2005, 06:56:00 PM

According to RB nobody knows his name.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 15, 2005, 07:34:00 PM

Wow, here's some more interesting public info.

http://www.whois.sc/quirklaw.com (http://www.whois.sc/quirklaw.com)

Ya' know, I was only half kidding about the other Mr. Farrell
http://www.nospank.net/n-o35r.htm (http://www.nospank.net/n-o35r.htm)

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 08:23:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-15 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"According to RB nobody knows his name. "

not true at all. The people who matter know what it is.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 15, 2005, 10:40:00 PM

If he is unknown to posters on this board how could his name be tossed around?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 11:49:00 PM

They might snow the state, which wouldn't be a monumental feat, but no one here is under any illusion that they aren't an RTC as defined by Ga ORS.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#97854 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9303&forum=41&start=0#97854)

Are you willing to state publicly that HLAs PRIMARY PURPOSE is education?

http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/nat ... iller.html (http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/natsap_letter_miller.html)
Excerpts from
NATSAP's plea to Congressman George Miller
Re: Legislation to Curb Child Abuse in Residential Treatment Programs

We appreciate the intent of the introduction of this legislation, but are concerned the excellent work being done by a large number of residential treatment programs [RTC] will be impacted negatively if their interests are not considered.

which devote themselves to society's need for the effective care and education of struggling young people.

Since NATSAP programs are located throughout the country and serve primarily private paying families, they [all?] fall under DIVERSE LICENSURE LAWS AND REGULATIONS.

In addition to membership in NATSAP, the majority [now, the 'majority'] of our members are licensed
or accredited either by a state licensing board or by a national or regional accrediting agency.

NATSAP programs, however, have legitimate concern that it would be very dangerous for either the federal or any state government to create prescriptive regulations without input and representation from our member programs. For example, our organization is quite concerned about your proposed legislation in SECTION. 303. Eligibility (b) (3) that states "In the case of each child who is a resident of the facility and whose domicile is another State, the facility meets the standards of such other State for the operation of such a facility, including any licensing standards". Given the vast array of administrative rules in different states such a clause would create an unreasonable administrative nightmare, and in effect allow the most restrictive rules in all states to dictate treatment standards for every state. [And that would be a bad thing? Sounds like it could be in the kids best interest] We urge you to omit SECTION 303 (b) (3), and furthermore ask that you meet with representatives from our organization to discuss a variety of issues with your proposed legislation.

In the private pay market, parents retain the ultimate control to authorize, pay for, and select the type of TREATMENT they feel most appropriate for their child. [Sounds like RTC. Otherwise, treatment would read EDUCATION]

We support an approach that does not suppress the diversity of legitimate methods in our profession and yet protects the interest and concerns of parents and children enrolled in our programs.

***
State/Federal oversight is like the black plague to programs. Why?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 12:03:00 AM

If he is unknown to posters on this board how could his name be tossed around?

did you miss the whole rb/susie thing? susie announces she knew- threw out a name, anonymously. confronted. denies. lie exposed. never copped. major drama. :roll:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =70#140698 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=8823&forum=41&start=70#140698)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 12:24:00 AM

Are we behind the times.

Susie the Bullfrog claimed last summer she knew who I was, yet could not offer anything in the way of evidence to support that claim.

Later on she claimed anonymously she again knew who I was and this time dropped an incorrect name. She then went on to state when this student was at HLA and for how long.

It was obvious it was her despite her lurking in the shadows out of fear. Eventually we ran her IP and proved it was her. To this she simply stated she had done nothing wrong by revealing information about a former student, information she gained from his file as a former employee. She then claimed she knew the student in question and knew we had similar personalities. Except I and another poster in fact know the said student and convinced him to appear on here calling Susie out on her actions and stating that in fact they never knew each other. Thus the question remains to the Bullfrog as to where she got her information from. She has yet to answer the question regarding her stating that he and I had similar personalities since it was shown she never knew the student she named. She continues to claim she is innocent and that she has done nothing wrong in revealing classified information. She states she guessed at all the information she was privy to thus it is not illegal.

Susie is an idiot.

She has no clue who I am, and is fast reaching the mental state where she will not even know who she is.

Watch shes going to come on huffing and puffing shortly.

"Robert you can say whatever you want I did nothing illegal. All I did was release classified information gained from a students file. Not a big deal. I guessed at the number of months (magically the correct ones) LOL I have TWO disabled family members to take care of. "

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 16, 2005, 09:44:00 AM

It is my understanding that "Quirk and Quirk"
and Marla's attorney came to an 'agreement'
during settlement to have Marla personally remove her letter. Judge Stone is in Superior
court in Georgia... The agreement and order
pertain only to Marla...In the order it clearly
states that 'Amazing Forums' and now 'this' forum
are not in agreement..They have no jurisdiction
out of the state of Georgia. The letter did not
have to be removed if this site is out of state..
Pennsylvania?? 'Quirk and Quirk' are apparently
positioning for further info...It is incredible
that this Topic "Where is Marla?" was started on
the 28th of November and on the 29th "QUIRK AND
QUIRK" FIRED OFF A LETTER... If this site is
out of state, they are out of line....

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 10:29:00 AM

Very true. It also proves us right and stooges like Mrs. Gray and Aften wrong. If HLA doesnt care or pay attention to what we write on here how did they have a court order crying about it within 24 hours?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 16, 2005, 08:02:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-16 06:44:00, Juniper1 wrote:

"It is my understanding that "Quirk and Quirk"

and Marla's attorney came to an 'agreement'

during settlement to have Marla personally remove her letter. Judge Stone is in Superior

court in Georgia... The agreement and order

pertain only to Marla...In the order it clearly

states that 'Amazing Forums' and now 'this' forum

are not in agreement..They have no jurisdiction

out of the state of Georgia. The letter did not

have to be removed if this site is out of state..

Pennsylvania?? 'Quirk and Quirk' are apparently

positioning for further info...It is incredible

that this Topic "Where is Marla?" was started on

the 28th of November and on the 29th "QUIRK AND

QUIRK" FIRED OFF A LETTER... If this site is

out of state, they are out of line....

"

So what? Amazing Forums is hosted out of San Antonio, Texas. It's not that Judge Stone's order is binding on me. I know it's not. I took it as a threat to sue me at home, using Judge Stone's decision as a basis. Judges nearly always uphold the decisions of other judges. Professional courtesey, ya know. And so it would just be a damned expensive ride to the same end, only likely w/ a gag order of my own by the end of it.

Doesn't matter anyway. I bet there are copies of that very same letter floating around Cyberia.

It's like the proverbial hole in the dyke. And Joe, if your mad about my having posted your letter, just count your blessings. They don't tell you this part of the nursery story. But, at the end of the day, the little dutch boy wound up in traction. :rofl:

The orientation of the public school in and of itself disenfranchises the poor. It suggests that only the student can be held responsible for failure; the institution, because of its position and strength in society, is unassailable.
--Rodger Hurley

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 16, 2005, 08:11:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-16 07:29:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Very true. It also proves us right and stooges like Mrs. Gray and Aften wrong. If HLA doesnt care or pay attention to what we write on here how did they have a court order crying about it within 24 hours?"

No, no. The court order goes back to August 15th and only applies to a posting on Amazing Forums. Get this. When they first started pursuing that, they just assumed that I hosted that forum too. I wonder where they got that idea? Isn't that fairly similar to the program supporters mantra about only a few crack pot critics among a massive horde of happy graduates?

So, anyway, they got the order, which is a consent decree. So that means, consensual or not, Marla agreed to have her letter taken down. And so it would likely go in the Commonwealth if they pressed it here. From a jabberwock perspective, that's fair and right.

However, the posting her in this thread was mid day on the 28th of November. The letter was dated the very next day. Yup, I'd say they sure as hell are hunkering on this site. Either that or Sue's got one of them thar red phones on her desk to alert the masters at the first sign of actionable material.

Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright

_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 08:21:00 PM

Oh no no no. She hasnt spoken to ANY of them since December of 2000. Whats the matter with you Ginger, Mrs. Gray has always been so honest and forthright with us, being respectful and listening to others. Never ever lying or refusing to answer questions on topics she brought up.

We should have a bit more courtesy towards her.

Oh wait nevermind.

Susie Gray is the one who works directly for Buch as one of his many stooges.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 17, 2005, 12:13:00 AM

I am sorry, but I do not understand...'Amazing Forums' did not have to stop the letter...how can they cross 'state' lines...? I can't
see how a judge from another state would give a 'rats a--' what Lumpkin County says...It is
infringement on a citizens 1st Amendment rights
governed by the state in which they preside...and, publishing the letter is not
against any law...defamatory or not...freedom
of speech and press...we still have that don't
we?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on December 17, 2005, 12:17:00 AM

How can they sue you in your home state?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 01:34:00 AM

Incidentally there are laws regarding escorts taken minors over state lines to bring them to an institution but HLA doesnt heed much to that one either.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 17, 2005, 11:45:00 AM

Here's the thing, Juniper. I've never spoken w/ Marla. I've tried to send up a flair inviting her to speak w/ me about this if she wants to. But I did contact her lawyer. Legally, Marla has requested that this writing be removed (as she lacks the ability to remove it herself) And the person who posted the copy, having considered all the circumstances that we know of, drew the same conclusion; if the original author agreed, for whatever reasons, that the letter should be removed, then it should be removed. If Marla herself asked me to take it down and I could be fairly certain that it were actually she making the request, I'd send it into oblivion, no questions asked. The only thing different here is that there was a third party who came by the information honestly. That third party, being responsible for their own postings, decided that this was the 'right now' thing to do.

And so it's done. But the correspondence between me and Joe, well that's my business. If he doesn't like my spreading the stuff around, well HLA will have to pay the freight to try and put a lid on it. Either that or quit corresponding with me, seein' as how I'm such a blabber mouth and all.

Oh, and speaking of confidentiality agreements. I think the adult employees could be legally held to confidentiality agreements and conventions. But the minor children held against their will and made to 'agree' to confidentiality under duress? Good luck with that one! LOL

As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.
--H.L. Mencken

_________________
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Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 06:29:00 PM

If parents give their permission to take a child out of state to a school then it is legal.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:31:00 PM

No its really not.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 07:24:00 PM

Yes it is legal. If it wasn't the companies wouldn't be in existance. A parent's permission is all that is needed.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:28:00 PM

Fine by me if you want to continue to highlight your own ignorance. Its obvious you dont know what youre talking about and are comfterable with that fact.

It is illegal. Even with a parents permission.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 07:29:00 PM

Post the statute that states it is illegal.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 07:29:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-17 16:28:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Fine by me if you want to continue to highlight your own ignorance. Its obvious you dont know what youre talking about and are comfterable with that fact.

It is illegal. Even with a parents permission. "

Valid point, it is illegal people, get with the times man!

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:30:00 PM

I'm not a lawyer. Besides I have no need to look up the information I already know the truth.

If youre interested by all means look it up yourself.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 07:32:00 PM

Oh so you can't find where it states it is illegal then. I see.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:37:00 PM

Not without doing a great deal of searching. Sorry you arent worth that much of my time. Also I have no reason to do as I already know the truth. Like I said if youre interested look it up yourself.

Otherwise shut up about it and accept the fact that it is illegal to transport minors across state lines for that purpose.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on December 17, 2005, 09:42:00 PM

Legal or not, depends on legal talent and venue most of the time. By some definitions, it was perfectly legal for a Florida judge to extradite me from Georgia for the 'crime' of running away several months before my 18th birthday. Was it ethical? Who might have been a more worthy target, like a serial killer or rapist or something. Who was injured or killed by one of these deserving souls while they were busy fuckin' around with me? Was it sensible? Was it even a sane thing to do?

Same w/ the professional kidnappers. There may not be a specific law against it. But there are laws (austensibly) guarding the rights of minors against forced transport and participation. If a trucker picks up a willing hitchhiker and carries them accross state lines, they enforce it. I know this because, while on the lamb from the program, I've had to get out and hoof it for a mile accross state lines. If an ex marine does it for pay to an unwilling teenager, then they just don't enforce those same laws.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 03:17:00 AM

In fact it is illegal if the transport is in violation of the requirements of the ICPC, which would require a pre-evaluation by a third party, permission from the sending and receiving states.
http://for (http://for) :wstupid: nits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6625&forum=9&start=10#61632
Good luck getting anyone to enforce it.

NATSAP/HLA were opposed to legislation that would provide more safety for kids being transported all over the country to programs.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#53026 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=5848&forum=9&start=0#53026)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 03:25:00 AM

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#61632 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6625&forum=9&start=10#61632)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 02:10:00 PM

Good luck ever getting Suza and the gang to respond to these facts.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 18, 2005, 02:15:00 PM

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On 2005-12-18 11:10:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Good luck ever getting Suza and the gang to respond to these facts. "

Where's your proof, Robert? PUHLEASE! LOL! LMAO! LMAOROTFL! Even someone as stupid and annoying as me can see that you are a disgruntled, lying, fired staff member! LOL!

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 02:23:00 PM

rb, please don't feed the troll who has come to bait you and derail another legitimate thread into an endless arguement.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 02:38:00 PM

it does sound like her though doesnt it?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 02:49:00 PM

robert was a student you schmuck.
and a good kid at that.

dan pg 26.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 02:59:00 PM

These boards have gotten so convoluted with bullshit that its not even worth it to wade through the thousands of posts to find any meaningful dialogue or suggestions. I think I will search elsewhere if I want information.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 03:03:00 PM

take care. Just remember HLA propogates abuse, and questionable tactics as well as being an immoral corporation.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 03:22:00 PM

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On 2005-12-18 12:03:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"take care. Just remember HLA propogates abuse, and questionable tactics as well as being an immoral corporation. "

Way to exaggerate there buddy, get a JOB..Stop being such a drama queen...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 04:29:00 PM

Get a job? How do you know I dont already have one.

I do. Two of them in fact.

As well as go to school full time.

As well as a ton of extra ciricular stuff.

What do you do with your time?

Oh and what am I exagerating, Ive proven every single claim on that list.

Do you need me to go back and do it again because you were to stupid to get it the first time?

Drama Queen? lol.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 07:11:00 PM

For being married, having two jobs, going to school, and doing extracurricular stuff, you sure do have alot of time to spend posting crap on the internet. When do you find time for your wife?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 18, 2005, 07:19:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-18 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"For being married, having two jobs, going to school, and doing extracurricular stuff, you sure do have alot of time to spend posting crap on the internet. When do you find time for your wife?"

when one cannot reply factually or cannot otherwise achieve victory in an argument and resorts to demeaning the other debater's character it is called the "ad hominem fallacy," and is a clear sign of mental weakness and lack of critical thought.

thanks for sharing.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 07:31:00 PM

Money.

Oh and to answer your question my wife works and goes to school as well. We have little freetime, but we do we make count.

Hows the relationship with your wife?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 08:15:00 PM

Yes Robert Bruce definately fits this description

"..when one cannot reply factually or cannot otherwise achieve victory in an argument and resorts to demeaning the other debater's character it is called the "ad hominem fallacy," and is a clear sign of mental weakness and lack of critical thought".

I believe he might have even invented the thing

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on December 18, 2005, 08:25:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-18 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes Robert Bruce definately fits this description

"..when one cannot reply factually or cannot otherwise achieve victory in an argument and resorts to demeaning the other debater's character it is called the "ad hominem fallacy," and is a clear sign of mental weakness and lack of critical thought".

I believe he might have even invented the thing

"

it's funny how you use the same fallacious logic while criticizing robert for it. hmmmmmm...

bad for him bad for you, right?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 08:47:00 PM

Oh no HLA staffers firmly believe in double standards.

However to address the misguided comments.

I have never resorted to personal attacks as a way of avoiding questions or an argument. If you'd like to try and show otherwise be my guest. Although I do come after bullfrog for that very reason.

Sort of like what youre doing right now.

What did I exagerate? Specifically.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 10:10:00 PM

I think he has a crush on the bullfrog. Thats why he keeps on talking about her

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 10:13:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-12-18 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think he has a crush on the bullfrog. Thats why he keeps on talking about her "

Agreed !

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 10:35:00 PM

lol.

and yet still you cant answer the question.

What did I exagerate?

If you cant answer why did you bring it up?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 03, 2006, 08:03:00 AM

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On 2005-12-17 08:45:00, Antigen wrote:

"Here's the thing, Juniper. I've never spoken w/ Marla. I've tried to send up a flair inviting her to speak w/ me about this if she wants to. But I did contact her lawyer. Legally, Marla has requested that this writing be removed (as she lacks the ability to remove it herself) And the person who posted the copy, having considered all the circumstances that we know of, drew the same conclusion; if the original author agreed, for whatever reasons, that the letter should be removed, then it should be removed. If Marla herself asked me to take it down and I could be fairly certain that it were actually she making the request, I'd send it into oblivion, no questions asked. The only thing different here is that there was a third party who came by the information honestly. That third party, being responsible for their own postings, decided that this was the 'right now' thing to do.

And so it's done. But the correspondence between me and Joe, well that's my business. If he doesn't like my spreading the stuff around, well HLA will have to pay the freight to try and put a lid on it. Either that or quit corresponding with me, seein' as how I'm such a blabber mouth and all.

Oh, and speaking of confidentiality agreements. I think the adult employees could be legally held to confidentiality agreements and conventions. But the minor children held against their will and made to 'agree' to confidentiality under duress? Good luck with that one! LOL
As democracy is perfected, the office of President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

--H.L. Mencken

_________________

Drug war POW

Straight, Sarasota

Man, HLA goes to great lengths to suppress the truth, huh?

`80 - `82"

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on January 05, 2006, 12:53:00 PM

is there any way possible to view Marlasa letter again?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 01:43:00 PM

I don't think so, Juni. That's sorta the purpose of threatening to sue her: to get it out of public view.

Maybe ginger has it cached...?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 01:45:00 PM

If you need a copy I have it. Let me know and I'll copy it in a private message to you.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Juniper1 on January 05, 2006, 01:59:00 PM

Thank you so much...Please private message it.
I hope I can return the favor...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 04:17:00 PM

Hello, It's Marla, how is everyone doing?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 06:59:00 PM

Sure you are

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 07:09:00 PM

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On 2006-01-05 13:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hello, It's Marla, how is everyone doing?"

Care to answer any questions cunt?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 05, 2006, 08:21:00 PM

Marla...Marla who?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 05, 2006, 08:23:00 PM

That is so uncalled for....

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 08:25:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-05 17:23:00, juniper2 wrote:

"That is so uncalled for...."

Go cry somewhere else fuck face.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 09:35:00 PM

How much does Buch pay you again?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 09:46:00 PM

Maybe people post their opinions for free Mr. Bruce

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 10:17:00 PM

Short Bus doesnt have an opinion on HLA or any of the other schools he works for. He never attended any of them.

Your bosses do realize though it wont make any difference right? Despite your attempts to distract from the topic here it still gets out, and we have other means of disemminating the nessecary information.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 06, 2006, 12:14:00 AM

Who is 'Short Bus'?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 01:12:00 AM

Short Bus is a disturbed young man who lives with his Grandmother. He has no real job or social life to speak of so he hangs out on this site every single day. He offers his services to boarding schools like HLA where he comes on and makes child like comments in the hopes of distracting from the real conversations going on.

He is called Short Bus due to his transportation to school as a child.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 06, 2006, 06:57:00 AM

All of this is speculation, none of you even know who short bus is

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 02:53:00 PM

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On 2006-01-05 22:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Short Bus is a disturbed young man who lives with his Grandmother. He has no real job or social life to speak of so he hangs out on this site every single day. He offers his services to boarding schools like HLA where he comes on and makes child like comments in the hopes of distracting from the real conversations going on.

Ya' know, I've wondered seriously about this scenereo. If true, I wonder if ye'd like to out yourself to the other troll who's having a difficult time over the Google ads? I mean shit, you're probably getting paid more than I ever will. Why not help carry the load?

A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there's no question
about it.
--GW Büsh, Business Week, July 30, 2001

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 03:56:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-05 22:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Short Bus is a disturbed young man who lives with his Grandmother. He has no real job or social life to speak of so he hangs out on this site every single day. He offers his services to boarding schools like HLA where he comes on and makes child like comments in the hopes of distracting from the real conversations going on.

He is called Short Bus due to his transportation to school as a child. "

I'm telling you people, "Short Bus" is someone you ALL know. If you actually knew who he was, you'd be very surprised. And he definitely has alot to do with HLA. Go ahead, say I'm full of shit, yada-yada. You have NO CLUE my friends, and I'm anti HLA like most of you.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 04:00:00 PM

Here's a picture of Short Bus.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 04:42:00 PM

Learn how to post a pic on fornits before you try, dumb-ass

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 07:01:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-06 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-05 22:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Short Bus is a disturbed young man who lives with his Grandmother. He has no real job or social life to speak of so he hangs out on this site every single day. He offers his services to boarding schools like HLA where he comes on and makes child like comments in the hopes of distracting from the real conversations going on.

He is called Short Bus due to his transportation to school as a child. "

I'm telling you people, "Short Bus" is someone you ALL know. If you actually knew who he was, you'd be very surprised. And he definitely has alot to do with HLA. Go ahead, say I'm full of shit, yada-yada. You have NO CLUE my friends, and I'm anti HLA like most of you."

no, i wouldn't be surprised at all. short bus is a good example of the product hla turns out. he's obviously still got some huge, unresolved issues. just look at his behavior here. not a very good example of how hla "helps," is it?

so, if you know this guy, what do you think is his motive for not wanting people to know about how hla really works? you say you're "anti-hla," but is your buddy short bus really pro-hla, or does he just like to bash people who he thinks are "whiners" or whatever?

tell us what the deal is with this guy. if he has no interest in talking about the harm hla has done to many kids (i'm sure you don't disagree with this - even if you think it helped some kids), why does he act like such an imbecile instead of just saying what he thinks about the topic at hand? if he hates the people he thinks are whiny losers, he certainly can start a thread about "the whiny loser crybabies of hla" or something like that.

you say he has a lot to do with hla. does that mean he works there? if it's so surprising who he is, surprise us. tell us who he is. if you're so anti -, why don't you just out him?

it would NOT surprise me whatsoever to find he is an employee, because in my experience, hla employees are some of the most immature, small-minded, genuinely twisted people out there. in my years of experience with them, this is exactly how they act. if they cannot "win" a level, grounded debate they resort to this type of behavior.

the way they behave and do business is indefensible, so they don't even try to defend it. instead they visciously attack anyone who has different opinions. they try to debase, degrade and dehumanize anyone who doesn't buy into the program and they try to ruin them (not just silence them, but destroy their lives) through whatever means necessary: lawsuits, character assassination, humiliation and what-have-you. believe me when i tell you, i've seen this many times before coming from supposedly professional people.

no, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to find out that short bus is on their payroll. he strikes me as exactly the type of misguided control freak that they use to run their shitty little program.

so, anon, let us in on your dirty little secret. i'm sure it will be very enlightening.

any parents reading this beware. whether he's a student or staff member, he typifies the type of person hla creates.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 08:49:00 PM

Why are you asking anyone other than Short Bus what Short Bus is all about? I've known the guy around these forums for a good long while now and I still can't tell you why he does what he does. Poor potty training, maybe? I honestly don't know. I've heard all sorts of crazy assed rumors about him; most of them he started.

Just don't argue with him. Or anybody else who's running you around in circles, for that matter.

What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960

_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 08:52:00 PM

Thank you ginger, right on!

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 09:36:00 PM

Aw, shadap! Go get some Pepsi and ice cream up to the tower.

Either cocaine and marijuana are terribly dangerous substances, and breaking the law by consuming them is a major offense that should be severely punished, or these are minor, personal matters that do not really count in the big picture of a man's life. If the latter is the case, then the rationale for a bloody, costly and futile war against drugs simply disappears.
--Jorge G. Castaneda, Newsweek International, September 6, 1999

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 09:43:00 PM

Are you talking to me? What did I do lil Ginger snap?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 09:49:00 PM

I'm a stockholder, damn it! Now get off the silly web forum and get back to work!

Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.
--Ambrose Bierce

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 09:52:00 PM

Why are you being so mean? ::mecry::

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 09:54:00 PM

ROFLMAO!!!! Oh my. Oh dear. You are my favorite troll!

The most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of
knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness.

--Thomas Jefferson

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 09:59:00 PM

I love you Ginger. Sorry that you hate me. Im out to NYC for the night, have a great one baby doll!! :wave:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 10:13:00 PM

Yeah, well, hope your plane crashes. Just a little closer than Shanksville, please. Maybe I can get a piece as a souvenir.

Don't hate the media. Become the media

--Jello Biafra

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 10:15:00 PM

Plane? I live 10 minutes away from the city. And I hope you choke to death for wishing the same on me. Go out once in a while babe. Later! :lol:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 10:18:00 PM

NYC. Ah, more clues. We'll guess the troll yet!! :lol:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 10:21:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-06 19:13:00, Antigen wrote:

"Yeah, well, hope your plane crashes. Just a little closer than Shanksville, please. Maybe I can get a piece as a souvenir.
Don't hate the media. Become the media

--Jello Biafra

"

Real cute, throw around September 11th as a joke, what a cunt.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 06, 2006, 10:23:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-06 19:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

Real cute, throw around September 11th as a joke, what a cunt."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As a rule, children love their parents, believe what they teach, and take great pride in saying that the religion of mother is good enough for them.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 09:44:00 AM

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On 2005-11-28 20:34:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"
Quote

On 2005-11-28 19:32:00, Juniper1 wrote:

"Do you know why they took her to court?? And, I am trying to find these teachers and staff...Can you help? I also am trying to find the names of the court ordered children over the years...HLA

maintains there are no court ordered children...

also, suicide attempts are apparently null, but not according to the children that attended there. Thanks.."

This is a flat out lie. There has NEVER been a kid commit suicide at HLA. You are either misinformed or intentionally lying.

Unless there have been some serious policy changes there are a great deal of court ordered kids there, as well as suicide attempts and occasional success'."

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 10:39:00 AM

Yes, there are MANY court-ordered kids at HLA, although they will lie to you while selling you services and tell you there's none.

There have been many suicide attempts and many kids hospitalized due to their attempts. I have not heard of a "successful" suicide though. Maybe there are others with more recent news.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 07, 2006, 11:07:00 AM

Many is an incorrect term. There are not "many" court ordered kids. Neither are there "many" suicide attempts. And no child has ever committed suicide at the school. You are attempting to lead the readers on with false information.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 11:09:00 AM

Quote

On 2006-01-07 08:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Many is an incorrect term. There are not "many" court ordered kids. Neither are there "many" suicide attempts. And no child has ever committed suicide at the school. You are attempting to lead the readers on with false information."

What is your estimation of how many court-ordered kids? Your facility tells parents "none," and that is a bald-faced lie.

I'd say that if you're saying "zero" and there are actually a fair amount, then that is infinitely more than you are telling people.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 01:20:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-06 19:13:00, Antigen wrote:

"Yeah, well, hope your plane crashes. Just a little closer than Shanksville, please. Maybe I can get a piece as a souvenir."

Thats pretty fucked up Ginger. Not funny. 9-11 was the worst thing thats ever happened to this country and it shouldnt be mocked. Get a grip.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 03:00:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-07 10:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

Thats pretty fucked up Ginger. Not funny. 9-11 was the worst thing thats ever happened to this country and it shouldnt be mocked. Get a grip."

Really? The worst? At least it piqued the curiosity of some significant number of Americans to our scurrilous leaders' mischief making in the rest of the world.

And is my comment to Short Bus any worse (or half as bad) as his bit about black magic when he knew full well my daughter was in ICU?

You get a grip, darlin'. Or just stay the hell out of other people's brawls. You just don't know what you're talking about.

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

_________________
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 10, 2006, 09:58:00 AM

It is very simple...However one chooses to count..
THERE ARE court ordered children at HLA..PERIOD.
DEAL WITH IT!! It is not conjecture anymore..
HLA mis-represents themselves, fact. There are
violent children there..There have been suicide
attempts, whether they include slicing oneself
up as a suicide attempt or not, it is a desperate
measure and plea for help.Marla was silenced because she was small potatoes against their
strong machine...She got to close to the children,
just like the others that have left, given the
option(some) to resign or be fired...If one
gets too close to the children or parents...they
are history, sooner or later... And, honestly,
I don't know why on earth they are not on the watch list.Many people have contacted ISACCORP,
myself included....????
We must remember that even the strongest of machines eventually break down...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 01:45:00 PM

Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce (Devin Reyner)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 01:52:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-10 10:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce (Devin Reyner)"

One, you couldn't possibly have any way of knowing this. Two, it is not true. Three, Juniper is a parent of an HLA kid.

She was lied to and her kid was provided piss-poor services from HLA.

You have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm not surprised how you avoided the issue at hand: HLA TAKES COURT ORDERED KIDS EVEN THOUGH THEY LIE TO PARENTS AND SAY THEY DON'T.

Please explain why HLA lies to parents about taking mandated children.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 03:12:00 PM

Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce (Devin Reyner)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Deborah on January 10, 2006, 03:20:00 PM

***Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce (Devin Reyner)

Greetings Anon, Molly, MCP, abc123, or whatever alias you're going by today. Getting bored? Needing to stir the pot? Rather than trying to guess people's identities, why not respond to Juniper2's comments?

RobertBruce is 'accountable' for his comments, which is more than can be said for you, and a few others posting here. Model what you profess to teach.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: abc123 on January 10, 2006, 03:47:00 PM

Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce(Devin Reyner)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: abc123 on January 10, 2006, 03:49:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-10 12:47:00, abc123 wrote:

"Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce(Devin Reyner)"

See... I can put it up on here too, but it doesn't mean I said it the other times it was posted. Please leave my name out of the silliness.

I could care less who Robert is. I have actually had decent discussions with him and frankly don't need to be pulled into the who's who games anymore than the rest of you.

The point is... you never know who is writing most of this stuff.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 04:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-10 12:49:00, abc123 wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-10 12:47:00, abc123 wrote:

"Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce(Devin Reyner)"

See... I can put it up on here too, but it doesn't mean I said it the other times it was posted. Please leave my name out of the silliness.

I could care less who Robert is. I have actually had decent discussions with him and frankly don't need to be pulled into the who's who games anymore than the rest of you.

The point is... you never know who is writing most of this stuff."

Funny you mention that. Does your boss know that you're releasing information about former patients?

Extremely unethical at best, illegal at worst.

Way to show your colors.

Why would a counselor from HLA release personal information about a former patient onto the internet? That's really bad, completely unethical - not to mention petty - behavior coming from a supposed adult "professional."

At least you weren't a coward this time and used your username so you can delete that information that you irresponsibly posted. :roll:

You people are some of the most petty I've ever seen. You'll say anything, even confidential information about a patient, to avoid talking to the real issues of your shitty program. Fantastic. You should be very proud of yourselves.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 04:11:00 PM

While you're here repeating useless drivel, abc123, why not tell us how many kids at HLA are court ordered?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 10, 2006, 04:19:00 PM

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 04:25:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-10 13:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"23

"

I'm not sure who posted this or if it's accurate. In my experience it is about 20% of their population.

But you say "23".

23 out of how many? 150?

A heck of a lot more than "zero," as you tell parents. Why all the lies and deception?

Why can't you folks ever just give a straight story? What is the purpose of lying through your teeth all the time about things that can be easily verified?

And the kids are the ones having "honesty issues"?

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 10, 2006, 05:15:00 PM

That could have been anybody typing "23". Seriously sometimes people are so gullible on here

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 10, 2006, 05:53:00 PM

The bottom line is that there ARE court ordered kids there, but HLA consistently LIES to parents and says there are none. I thnk the real issue here is that HLA tells blatant LIES about their treatment center.

Can you please explain why HLA LIES about having court ordered kids? Why can't HLA tell the TRUTH about this issue? What are they HIDING from parents?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: abc123 on January 10, 2006, 10:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-10 13:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-10 12:49:00, abc123 wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-10 12:47:00, abc123 wrote:

"Juniper 2 is Robert Bruce(Devin Reyner)"

See... I can put it up on here too, but it doesn't mean I said it the other times it was posted. Please leave my name out of the silliness.

I guess you didn't get the sarcasm in my response. I was making fun of the fact that whoever it was that included my name in a previous email stating that I said Robert is Devin. Did you really not get that?

I could care less who Robert is. I have actually had decent discussions with him and frankly don't need to be pulled into the who's who games anymore than the rest of you.

The point is... you never know who is writing most of this stuff."

Funny you mention that. Does your boss know that you're releasing information about former patients?

Extremely unethical at best, illegal at worst.

Way to show your colors.

Why would a counselor from HLA release personal information about a former patient onto the internet? That's really bad, completely unethical - not to mention petty - behavior coming from a supposed adult "professional."

At least you weren't a coward this time and used your username so you can delete that information that you irresponsibly posted. :roll:

You people are some of the most petty I've ever seen. You'll say anything, even confidential information about a patient, to avoid talking to the real issues of your shitty program. Fantastic. You should be very proud of yourselves."

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 11, 2006, 09:35:00 AM

I couldn't help but notice, abc123, your complete lack of any response to the quetion.

Why does HLA lie to parents and tell them that they do not accept children mandated into treatment by the courts when, in fact, they do?

Why do you lie to parents about this fact?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 11, 2006, 11:55:00 AM

Robert, my you are popular...I thought 'that'
declaration was a hoot! What moron posted that?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 11, 2006, 12:12:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 08:55:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Robert, my you are popular...I thought 'that'

declaration was a hoot! What moron posted that?

"

An incredibly irresponsible, unprofessional, morally repugnant HLA counselor who thinks it's OK (even though it's in violation of HIPAA) to name former patients on the internet.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 11, 2006, 12:13:00 PM

HLA will eventually have to change their
advertising, parent handbook, etc.... Hla thought they could keep a 'lid' on the 'court-
ordered children', strip searches, etc. There is
blatant obuse of power and they need to put it in check.. There will always be someone more powerful than them...HLA needs to take responsibility for the broken trust, broken
children and broken hearts of parents... Hla
thrives on the in-experienced, broken parents..
then, breaks them some more...sad...Those of
us that continually asked questions, that went
un-answered ,were the lucky ones...The red flags
went up...and up...We have to carry our childrens
hearts and nurture their souls...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 11, 2006, 12:17:00 PM

How did they get your name? Can you request
it be taken off the site?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2006, 01:40:00 PM

It has been stated on other strains within this site that Robert Bruce is Devin. It is therefor open to the public. The person that disclosed his name was only repeating something already posted on this site.

It could have been a former student to posted for all we know. You make assumptions by saying it was a former counselor.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 11, 2006, 01:53:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It has been stated on other strains within this site that Robert Bruce is Devin. It is therefor open to the public. The person that disclosed his name was only repeating something already posted on this site.

It could have been a former student to posted for all we know. You make assumptions by saying it was a former counselor."

No, we know for a fact it was a former employee of HLA, Suzanne Gray. She openly admitted she posted it.

Divert, digress, deny, dissemble... Your modus operandi is well known here.

Why are you avoiding the simple question of why does your facility lie to parents and say you don't take court ordered kids when in fact you do exactly that?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Robert Bruce on January 11, 2006, 04:04:00 PM

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 11, 2006, 04:23:00 PM

This is SHH. I posted the name Devin as a guess as to the identity of Robert Bruce several months ago. But this is not illegal, or a violation of HIPPA, or unethical. A first name is not personal information. I have spoken to 2 attorneys about this, both of them friends of mine. It was a guess. Furthermore, I did not post a last name. That was somebody else who did that. I didn't know Devin's last name as I was only remembering him from an encounter on campus and didnt know his last name. Despite Dysfunction's and Robert's assumptions that I divulged info from a file, and personal info at that, I have done neither. I guessed and the guess was incorrect, according to Robert. I did not have access to Devin's personal file, or any other students files. I dont know who the other person is who posted the full name of the Devin person, nor do I know where they got their info, but it wasnt me.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 11, 2006, 05:26:00 PM

The fact remains the same Dolores. If its no big deal do it again.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Deborah on January 11, 2006, 05:39:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 10:40:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It has been stated on other strains within this site that Robert Bruce is Devin. It is therefor open to the public. The person that disclosed his name was only repeating something already posted on this site.

It could have been a former student to posted for all we know. You make assumptions by saying it was a former counselor."

Yes it was 'stated' in other 'strains' on this site by you and Suzanne. You made it 'public'.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 120#157446 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12693&forum=41&start=120#157446)

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#140697 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12047&forum=41&start=30#140697)

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =30#158104 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12933&forum=41&start=30#158104)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 11, 2006, 07:48:00 PM

Dolores is that you? I thought youd learned the truth. If not it must be Joey, or do you prefer Jim he's to dumb to realize it.

Still waiting though Dolores. If its not illegal or immoral do it again. Release the same information about another student.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2006, 10:33:00 PM

I wasn't even aware of that particular posting. Thanks for sharing it. It does seem to prove that Devin is Robert Bruce. Not that it really matters.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 11, 2006, 10:42:00 PM

Which one? Face facts Dolores and you to Jim, youve got nothing more than a circumstancial evidence and information gained from illegal means.

So not only are you still wrong, but you cant even use what you have.

Which makes it that much funnier.

Youre still evading the point Dolores (along with all those questions youre still to afraid to answer) if what you did was no big deal do it again.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2006, 10:43:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 19:42:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Which one? Face facts Dolores and you to Jim, youve got nothing more than a circumstancial evidence and information gained from illegal means.

So not only are you still wrong, but you cant even use what you have.

Which makes it that much funnier.

Youre still evading the point Dolores (along with all those questions youre still to afraid to answer) if what you did was no big deal do it again. "

Devin is getting a wittle scawed :scared: :scared:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 11, 2006, 10:47:00 PM

lol. Is he now? From what Ive been told he was contacted by you retards.

He isnt scared.

Nor am I.

Or do you child abusing degenerates forget that we are right and you are wrong?

That does make a huge difference.

Oh and Dolores just as a means of convience here you are.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 360#160222 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=360#160222)

Anytime youre ready to evade these and cower in fear you go right ahead.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 11, 2006, 11:25:00 PM

I have neither the time nor the patience for your constant questions many of which I have already answered. I have much bigger and more important things in life to deal with than your BS Robert. My grandfather is in the hospital with a brain tumor that they may have to operate on(it is benign but still causing problems and he is 102 yrs old), and my father has to have another heart bypass surgery in the next few weeks. Some things are more important than this board and will need my time and attention a hell of a lot more than YOU.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 12, 2006, 08:09:00 AM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have neither the time nor the patience for your constant questions many of which I have already answered. I have much bigger and more important things in life to deal with than your BS Robert. My grandfather is in the hospital with a brain tumor that they may have to operate on(it is benign but still causing problems and he is 102 yrs old), and my father has to have another heart bypass surgery in the next few weeks. Some things are more important than this board and will need my time and attention a hell of a lot more than YOU.

"

Maybe you have time for just one question. Why does HLA lie to parents and say they don't take court ordered kids when they do?

I haven't had much luck getting an answer to this. Maybe you can help.

Thanks.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 12, 2006, 04:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-11 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have neither the time nor the patience for your constant questions many of which I have already answered. I have much bigger and more important things in life to deal with than your BS Robert. My grandfather is in the hospital with a brain tumor that they may have to operate on(it is benign but still causing problems and he is 102 yrs old), and my father has to have another heart bypass surgery in the next few weeks. Some things are more important than this board and will need my time and attention a hell of a lot more than YOU.

"

Dolores what have I told you about your blatent attempts at manipulation? You just arent smart enough to make it work. No one cares about your family. You ran your mouth now back it up or stop talking.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 12, 2006, 07:56:00 PM

You are an asshole for posting that to her

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 12, 2006, 08:17:00 PM

She happens to be lying about that situation. She's been posting all day in the Troubled Teen Industry forum under the "HLA OPTION" thread.

You see, she's a consummate prevaricator and constant manipultor. She says she has no time to post because of this or that, but she HAS been posting. All day long as a matter of fact.

You really can't believe a word she says because she lies about everything, even things she shouldn't feel she needs to, but she does anyway. I personally don't believe for one second that she's caring for anyone. I think she's sitting in front of the computer all day posting BS and eating several bags of Oreos.

Aren't you, Suzie? :wave:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 12, 2006, 09:40:00 PM

This is SHH. I have not been posting all day long. I have been at work and at the hospital. What is yours and Robert's obsession with me anyway? Geez get a life already. I just now got on here to read some during a break.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 12, 2006, 09:43:00 PM

OH and by the way, you want my grandfather's name and what hospital he is at? You want to know who my father's cardiologist is? You want to know my boss's name to call and verify that I was at work for 8.5 hours? To accuse me of lying about a very serious family situation I have is sick as hell and quite frankly I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. It is the truth and what is actually happening in my life. You and Robert have some serious problems.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 09:46:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-12 17:17:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

I think she's sitting in front of the computer all day posting BS and eating several bags of Oreos.

Aren't you, Suzie? :smokin:

.....sorry, back to your regularly scheduled programming. :grin:

Damn! now I need some oreos.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 09:52:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-12 18:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"OH and by the way, you want my grandfather's name and what hospital he is at? You want to know who my father's cardiologist is? You want to know my boss's name to call and verify that I was at work for 8.5 hours? To accuse me of lying about a very serious family situation I have is sick as hell and quite frankly I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. It is the truth and what is actually happening in my life. You and Robert have some serious problems. "

Suzie, don't sweat these dudes, I believe you, and hope that your family can stay healthy as long as possible.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 12, 2006, 09:58:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-12 18:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"OH and by the way, you want my grandfather's name and what hospital he is at? You want to know who my father's cardiologist is? You want to know my boss's name to call and verify that I was at work for 8.5 hours? To accuse me of lying about a very serious family situation I have is sick as hell and quite frankly I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. It is the truth and what is actually happening in my life. You and Robert have some serious problems. "

Yes I would. Now is this something youre going to make good on or one of your many many idle threats?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 10:04:00 PM

Shut up Devin.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: LMJ630 on January 13, 2006, 02:50:00 PM

Hello SHH,

Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about your time at HLA? I have no affiliation, just curious about a couple of things.

Thanks!

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 05:34:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-13 11:50:00, LMJ630 wrote:

"Hello SHH,

Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about your time at HLA? I have no affiliation, just curious about a couple of things.

Thanks!"

Your full of shit, fuck off.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: LMJ630 on January 13, 2006, 05:55:00 PM

Excuse me?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 06:02:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-13 14:55:00, LMJ630 wrote:

"Excuse me?"

Your excused.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: LMJ630 on January 13, 2006, 06:07:00 PM

Are you always so rude to people you don't know, who are looking for information?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 06:35:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-13 15:07:00, LMJ630 wrote:

"Are you always so rude to people you don't know, who are looking for information?"

Yes my fair weathered friend, yes.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 06:57:00 PM

He's is a product of the program. It could be something he learned in the confrontational group sessions (reals), where it's open game.
If you ignore him, he MIGHT go away. Although, he has resorted to responding to himself when no one else did.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 13, 2006, 07:05:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-13 11:50:00, LMJ630 wrote:

"Hello SHH,

Do you mind if I ask you a few questions about your time at HLA? I have no affiliation, just curious about a couple of things.

Thanks!"

I've been looking for some answers, too, LMJ630. Here are some of the questions I need answered, but nobody from HLA will even try to answer any of them. :sad:

Care to answer any of these?

Why does HLA allegedly allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Still waiting patiently for your response...

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-26 15:24 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: LMJ630 on January 13, 2006, 07:28:00 PM

Thank you Dysfunction. I haven't been able to go through all the posts so I wasn't aware that all of those things happened.

I was just curious about a couple other things. I believe SHH had mentioned that several state groups had visited the campus, including one that did an inspection of the kitchen. Were any of these state groups actually inspecting the entire facility, and were their visits known ahead of time? I would think surprise visits would be the most effective.

Also, this is a question that most people may not know the answer to: is the owner of the school politically affiliated? Just wondering, if they have been able to avoid proper licensure for so long, if they might have someone helping them out with that.

Anyone who could help, I'd appreciate it. I just asked SHH because I saw on one of her posts that she used to work there and I figured she might have some knowledge.

Good night all :smile:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 07:35:00 PM

Quote

On 2006-01-13 15:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

He's is a product of the program. It could be something he learned in the confrontational group sessions (reals), where it's open game.

If you ignore him, he MIGHT go away. Although, he has resorted to responding to himself when no one else did.

"

You retards have no idea who he is, stop acting like you do, and get a fucking clue.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 13, 2006, 09:03:00 PM

HLA is quite connected...The entire town is
helped financially by the fact that the school
is located there. The drug store supplies
all, yes, ALL the drugs for the children...can you imagine the 'pull' 'HE' has in the
community....??????? Never take them to court in
Lumpkin County.....

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 09:56:00 PM

That's not true.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 10:07:00 PM

I wouldn't rely on Suzanne for answers. She knows very little about the program, but is very passionate about defending it, sometimes to a fault. If she knew there were political connections she wouldn't tell you.

They recently received a commendation from a Sen Jackson, and shortly after made donations to her campaign for Sec of State.
http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003 ... /sr966.htm (http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2003_04/fulltext/sr966.htm)
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#156277 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=13044&forum=41&start=10#156277)

I tend not to think that political connections explains the license issue. Their wilderness program-Ridge Creek- was required to apply for a license after they were reported to the state for operating without one. They are now licensed as a Therapeutic Camp and monitored by ORS, although, they have not had an inspection since they were licensed, which is very odd.

They 'apparently' convinced ORS that HLA is a traditonal boarding school. Therefore, there is no outside entity monitoring the therapeutic aspect of the program. They clearly meet the definition of a RCF, as defined by ORS
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#97854 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9303&forum=41&start=0#97854)

Any public business with a kitchen is subject to inspections by the Health Dept. It's reasonable to assume they are also subject to fire and safety inspections, but not certain because at least some of the dorm windows are locked which could be a fire safety hazard, and probably not allowed.

Suzanne has claimed before that they are licensed and inspected. Clearly she doesn't understand the difference between licensed and accredited. And, a 'business' license is not the same as being licensed by ORS.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 13, 2006, 10:09:00 PM

Which drug store Juniper??? There are 4. Eckerds, Walmart, and 2 locally owned ones. You make it sound as if the town is some sort of isolated podunk hole in the wall.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 13, 2006, 10:11:00 PM

Yes windows are locked to prevent runaways and visits by students of the opposite sex. However, every dorm has a night security person and if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits. There is no safety violation in that regard.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 10:45:00 PM

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On 2006-01-13 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes windows are locked to prevent runaways and visits by students of the opposite sex. However, every dorm has a night security person and if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits. There is no safety violation in that regard."

Excellent point.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 12:10:00 AM

if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits.>>>

does that mean the locked windows would be opened? what if the fire is between the bedroom and the door?
if that's accurate, it's pretty lax, as my state requires child caring institutions to have two exits from each room. and if the second is a window, it must open from the inside.
did the fire inspector notice the windows were locked? i guess i should first ask if they even have fire inspections.

since there's a nightwatch person, how could the opposite sex sneak in without them knowing? wouldn't an alarm system be safer? can't miss an alarm when a window is opened. windows/doors locked. doesn't that exemplify a lockdown?

suzanne, not interested in your opinion. obvious that you make up half the stuff you say.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 08:19:00 AM

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On 2006-01-13 16:28:00, LMJ630 wrote:

"Thank you Dysfunction. I haven't been able to go through all the posts so I wasn't aware that all of those things happened.

I was just curious about a couple other things. I believe SHH had mentioned that several state groups had visited the campus, including one that did an inspection of the kitchen. Were any of these state groups actually inspecting the entire facility, and were their visits known ahead of time? I would think surprise visits would be the most effective.

Also, this is a question that most people may not know the answer to: is the owner of the school politically affiliated? Just wondering, if they have been able to avoid proper licensure for so long, if they might have someone helping them out with that.

Anyone who could help, I'd appreciate it. I just asked SHH because I saw on one of her posts that she used to work there and I figured she might have some knowledge.

Good night all :smile: "

Hey. SHH, or Suzanne, knows just about nothing concerning HLA. She did work for HLA, yes, but she worked from home as a part-time envelope stuffer sending progress reports to parents and probation officers (further proof that they do take mandated kids).

I wouldn't put much stock in any of her comments. She is an irrational, dogged supporter of HLA because she was married to the business manager and her parents worked there as auxiliary staff.

About "state visits": No, there are never surprise visits. They have never been inspected by ORS. They were inspected by their academic accrediting agency which has no authority regarding their "therapeutic" program.

It is interesting to note that they are in current violation of their academic accrediting agency's rules, most especially concerning student rights. One major violation is that HLA has never put in place the required person through whom violations and abuse may be reported. The kids simply have no way to report any abuses. They can't use a phone, they can't leave the campus and reporting abuses to HLA staff results in punishment, not reportage.

Since no surprise visits are allowed it is quite astonishing that they managed to fail a health inspection. Staff members have reported swarms of flies in the kitchen and maggots in the food.

The owner of the school is very well politically connected, yes. It has been posted on this site that he and his associates donated quite heavily to politicians with sway in the oversight process.

Also, just a quick comment about locked windows and fire exits. That is completely, 100% illegal. They must, as required by law, provide two exits from every room, neither of which may be locked at any time.

Imagine, if you will, a building engulfed in flames with children locked inside and a "night watchman" charging into the burning building to unlock the emergency exits. Sounds pretty suspect. Not to mention that at that point, it's too late anyway. Obviously, this doesn't even pass the smell test.

Please read the HLA threads and use the search feature in the left-hand margin to look for specifics. You will have to read around the flaming, distractions, diversions, digressions and dissembling posted by HLA staff. It is always their intention to steer the dialogue into the realm of meaninglessness, thusly frustrating efforts of parents to discover the truth about HLA.

Good luck. If you have any questions, feel free to drop me a PM using the private messaging feature in the laeft-hand margin.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 08:23:00 AM

The nightwatch people are already in the building. they wouldnt "charge" into the building if they are already inside.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 08:44:00 AM

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On 2006-01-13 19:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-01-13 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes windows are locked to prevent runaways and visits by students of the opposite sex. However, every dorm has a night security person and if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits. There is no safety violation in that regard."

Excellent point."

"Excellent point"? I'm sorry, but did you recently take a severe blow to the head?

One, it's illegal to lock any emergency exits ever. That's why they're called "emergency" exits.

Two, there is no legal basis whatsoever to keep a kid locked up on campus. Unless they are mandated by the court to be there, they are free to leave at any time. This is called "false imprisonment" and it's a serious crime.

Three, with a night watch person on duty, how in the world can any kids sneak into anyone else's room or building? Are you saying that these people don't do their jobs or that there aren't enough of them?

Honestly, people, some of the things you say are so incredibly stupid and irresponsible that you are killing your own business by posting.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 08:46:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 05:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The nightwatch people are already in the building. they wouldnt "charge" into the building if they are already inside. "

In that case, no, they wouldn't. But neither would they move into the fire to unlock doors. That's just a retarded notion.

Might I ask, if they're already inside the building, how can kids sneak in or out? Are the night staff blind and deaf? Sleeping? Screwing off?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 08:57:00 AM

You are incorrect. They are not free to leave at any time. They are sent there by their parents. If they leave campus without their parents consent, they are considered running away, and if they are under a certain age based on state law, they are the ones breaking the law. That is the very reason the police are called when a student leaves campus.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 09:42:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 05:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You are incorrect. They are not free to leave at any time. They are sent there by their parents. If they leave campus without their parents consent, they are considered running away, and if they are under a certain age based on state law, they are the ones breaking the law. That is the very reason the police are called when a student leaves campus."

That's fine. Then you call the police. You, as an ACADEMIC BOARDING SCHOOL, are prevented by law from having legal custody. Look at your own accrediting agency as well. They state clearly that you may not take legal custody of children.

Since you cannot legally have parental rights and you are supposedly an academic boarding school without a license to provide RTC services (in which case you could hold kids against their will), you, as in HLA staff, cannot imprison any of your charges against their will. All you can do is let them leave and call the police.

I assure you though, that I will be reporting your statements to SACS-CASI as well as ORS. Thank you for the valualble information you have provided.

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-14 07:03 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 10:34:00 AM

Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to".

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 10:35:00 AM

I am not a staff member

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 10:43:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

The SCHOOL is not allowed, by law, to force a kid to stay on campus. They can call the police and let the police act as they see fit, but HLA is barred BY LAW from locking any kids in or preventing them from leaving.

From your idiotic reasoning, a supermarket could lock a kid inside just because the parents "brought them there."

Because they legally operate as traditional boarding school they are not allowed to prevent anyone from leaving at any time. That's the law, no matter what you have to say about it.

HLA is not licensed as an RTC and is therefore prevented from legally prohibiting any kid from walking off campus. If they do, it is unlawful imprisonment.

You're pretty dense.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:08:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

It's well known that they can't 'leave when they want to'. Some have reported being restrained for attempting to do so. They are 'patient'.

I could be wrong, but I've never heard of a Traditional Boarding School behaving that way.
At traditional schools, students are free to come and go. If someone is missing, I'd guess they call the parents first and might put out an APB if foul play is expected.

Traditional schools also do not force/coerce students to stay past the age of majority.
Traditional schools are not 24 month 'programs' and do not require therapy or round the clock supervision and surviellence. They don't limit contact with family or deny home visit for academic incompletes. To name a few...

Now what again qualifies HLA as a Traditional Boarding School?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:13:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 07:35:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I am not a staff member"

Then why do you attempt to answer technical questions? If you're not staff then you're just another anonymous poster with opinions that means nothing. Just wasting time, space, and people's attention.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:21:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 08:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
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On 2006-01-14 07:34:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Exactly. The school does not have legal custody. However the parents placed the children there and if they leave they are runaways. Hence the reason the police are called. The children cannot just "leave whenever they want to"."

It's well known that they can't 'leave when they want to'. Some have reported being restrained for attempting to do so. They are 'patient'.

I could be wrong, but I've never heard of a Traditional Boarding School behaving that way.

At traditional schools, students are free to come and go. If someone is missing, I'd guess they call the parents first and might put out an APB if foul play is expected.

Traditional schools also do not force/coerce students to stay past the age of majority.

Traditional schools are not 24 month 'programs' and do not require therapy or round the clock supervision and surviellence. They don't limit contact with family or deny home visit for academic incompletes. To name a few...

Now what again qualifies HLA as a Traditional Boarding School?

"

Both of you are right. They are not allowed to leave campus anytime they want to without consequences. The consequence is that the police will be called. Staff do not restrain the kids or lock them up so that they will not leave. If that has ever happened, then the staff were behaving against HLA policy. According to HLA policy students are to only be restrained if they are hurting themselves, someone else, or are in imenent danger of doing so. Running away does not fall into this category.

I think when the anon writer says that they are not allowed to, what they mean is that it is against the rules and there will be consequences, such as the police being called and them being put on restrictions. Even then, the kid can walk away from campus anytime they feel like it. There will just continue to be more consequences.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 11:30:00 AM

This is not true. They WILL be restrained. I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allegedly allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-26 15:22 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 11:49:00 AM

You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 11:54:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont."

Many kids have reported that they do. Some as recently as this month. Other staff members have posted in the past three months that kids are restrained.

How about answering those other questions now?

Thanks.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:54:00 AM

do u read myspace?
http://groups.myspace.com/HiddenLakeAcademy (http://groups.myspace.com/HiddenLakeAcademy)

you haven't been there in five years suzanne. whadda you know? :rofl:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 11:57:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 08:54:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"
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On 2006-01-14 08:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You havent been on campus since May of 1995, 10 yrs and 8 months ago. How do you know whether or not they will be restrained now? You dont."

Many kids have reported that they do. Some as recently as this month. Other staff members have posted in the past three months that kids are restrained.

How about answering those other questions now?

Thanks.
"

ah, no. don't ask her to answer anything. it'd be a waste of bandwidth.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 11:58:00 AM

Quit assuming every post is this Suzanne person. It is not

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 12:07:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 08:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Quit assuming every post is this Suzanne person. It is not"

So is it you saying they don't restrain?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 12:15:00 PM

What qualifies you to answer technical questions about HLA?
If you're staff/management, pick a user name, state your position, and take responsibility and accountability for your contributions.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 12:20:00 PM

Don't hold your breath... We've been down this road before. ::bangin::

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 14, 2006, 12:27:00 PM

The entire community is helped by the school being there...from the 'bed and breakfasts'the
school recommendends and, yes, the private
drug store in town(get ahold of one of the parents bills from the school and you shall find the name...the school has a contract with them).
May I also add, that the drug store in particular,
are very kind to the parents and accommodating.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:21:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 09:07:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"
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On 2006-01-14 08:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Quit assuming every post is this Suzanne person. It is not"

So is it you saying they don't restrain?
"

I already stated the circumstances under which HLA restrains.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:25:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 08:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"This is not true. They WILL be restrained. I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.
"

And anwer one more question...Is it true that dysfunction junction was fired for violoting the schools anti-drug policy by testing positive for THC?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:34:00 PM

Somebody please answer these. They've been asked over and over again and always ignored.

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On 2006-01-14 10:25:00, Anonymous

Why does HLA allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:35:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 09:27:00, juniper2 wrote:

May I also add, that the drug store in particular,

are very kind to the parents and accommodating."

But are they gouged? How do their prices compare to WalMart?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:39:00 PM

I already stated the circumstances under which HLA restrains.>>>

you also lied. that's a good line for your/their accrediting agency, but you still haven't told the pubic who you are and why you are qualified to answer questions for hla. what you 'already stated' is useless?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 01:41:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-14 08:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"This is not true. They WILL be restrained. I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.

"

And anwer one more question...Is it true that dysfunction junction was fired for violoting the schools anti-drug policy by testing positive for THC?"

No, it is not true. Not only did I not do drugs or get fired, HLA did not have a testing policy. I resigned my position and anyone saying otherwise is simply just not telling the truth. You people will say anything.

I reported a coworker to the headmaster for cocaine use (she ofered it to me and did it right in front of me) and even she was not tested or disciplined. They just didn't do drug testing at all.

So that story is a complete farce.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:42:00 PM

Anti-HLA kids- Always crying and whining about something huh!!!! :cry2: :lol:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:44:00 PM

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

::bangin:: ::bangin:: ::bangin::

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On 2006-01-14 08:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"This is not true. They WILL be restrained. I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.

"

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 01:49:00 PM

I don't want to hijack this thread, but have some questions about restraints. Check the forum topics under Restraint.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 02:01:00 PM

Posted by an employee of HLA:

Posted: 2005-12-18 17:10:00
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Did anybody on this board ever stop to think that perhaps in the early days they didnt do background checks or pre employment drug screens and now they do? I know in the late 90's they did do pre drug screens and random drug testing of employees and those employees who were tested positive were fired on the spot. These comments between individuals may not be lies it may be a matter of when they were there

************************************************

So, no they didnt do any drug testing prior to the "late 90's".

************************************************

Also my earlier comments on the subject:

Dysfunction Junction
Frequent poster

Joined: 2005-03-06
Posts: 774 Posted: 2005-12-18 18:57:00

When I was hired I did not get a background check. I was not asked to provide any criminal history. I was not screened for drugs in any way, nor was I asked if I was or ever had been a drug user. The entire time I worked there no drug tests for any employees were given.

There were quite a few surprisingly hard partiers working there. The headmaster at the time was known to have killed a pedestrian in a drunk driving accident. He told all of us, including the kids, how he struck and killed a man walking down the street while driving drunk.

The man in charge of the therapeutic component of the program (the "head clinician") was known to have a fake doctorate from a diploma mill. I know this for a fact, and as much has been admitted by their employees on this board. The same man gave me and another counselor his vehicle to drive a suicidal kid to the hospital. In the glovebox, we discovered, was a loaded handgun.

So, the short answer is "no" they didn't do background checks or drug tests.

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer

***********************************************

When it suited your purpose earlier, you stated that HLA didn't do drug tests until the late 90's, and now you are trying to say that I was fired for a positive drug test in 1995?

Get a grip, people. Your lame smear tactics are so worn out. You'll say anything to avoid the real issues.

So, just for the purpose of consistency... Please post the drug test results from the non-existent test that you falsely claim was performed and that you claim I failed. The BS goes on and on and on...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 02:08:00 PM

Sorry, that last post was me.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 02:37:00 PM

fuck that if i was working there id need to do drugs.
id rather have had a buncha potheads on staff then the adrenaline junkie jarhead fucks who got off on body slamming kids a quarter of their strength.

dan pg26

oh yeah, ps. why havent any of teh HLA supporters explain why we couldnt even open our windows at night?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 14, 2006, 04:04:00 PM

Dysfunction please do not lie. We all know that you were fired because of the Big Mac incident.

????

Dolores are you ever going to tell us that story or was that just another one of your stupid pointless comments?

Also I was glad to see our current puppet has claimed he/she is not an employee at HLA only after Dysfunction stated he would be reporting the comments made to ORS.

So puppet the question remains if you are not an employee how are you able to comment on the school?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 08:36:00 PM

Pipe down Devin, here's a kleenex ::boohoo::

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 08:46:00 PM

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On 2006-01-14 10:41:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-14 10:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-14 08:30:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"This is not true. They WILL be restrained. I've seen that much.

Also, can you explain why the why they are locked in the dorms at night in violation of the fire code?

Could you please answer these other questions, since you are familiar with HLA's policies?

Why does HLA allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Thanks.

"

And anwer one more question...Is it true that dysfunction junction was fired for violoting the schools anti-drug policy by testing positive for THC?"

No, it is not true. Not only did I not do drugs or get fired, HLA did not have a testing policy. I resigned my position and anyone saying otherwise is simply just not telling the truth. You people will say anything.

I reported a coworker to the headmaster for cocaine use (she ofered it to me and did it right in front of me) and even she was not tested or disciplined. They just didn't do drug testing at all.

So that story is a complete farce.
"

I was tested drug tested at HLA in 1995

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 14, 2006, 09:01:00 PM

Yeah, sure you were. More bologna. Funny how all the staff members who have posted say that they didn't do drug testing until the late 90's.

Come on, ShortBus. This is so tedious.

Not only did they not test staff, they didn't test patients. They didn't even test you guys for drugs on intake or after visits until just a few years ago.

Despite what you are trying to do here, the fact remains that not only did they not test when I worked there, I got a positive response and a reccommendation for hire from HLA when I took my next job.

In my current job I have security clearance to work on information systems on military bases. They've done a thorough vetting of my background including receiving information from all of my employers in the past 12 years. There is no firing and there is no failed drug test. So please, give it a rest already.

I have the sinkng suspicion that you'd fail a drug test right now, even if you studied.

All this smearing and innuendo is just garbage thrown out there to avoid the real topics of discussion.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2006, 10:06:00 PM

That wasn;t short bus buddy. mkaaaaaay???

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 14, 2006, 10:23:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-01-14 17:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Pipe down Devin, here's a kleenex ::boohoo:: "

Still havent figured it out huh?

I guess they were right when they told your mother not to expect much. Not that she cared, to busy otherwise.

Oh and as to the drug testing comment. Yes student were subject to drug test all the time. Staff? Apparently not.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 14, 2006, 10:24:00 PM

They had random drug testing of employees in 1997

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 14, 2006, 11:49:00 PM

and you know this how?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 07:35:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 19:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They had random drug testing of employees in 1997"

In 1995 the administration was saying that random drug testing would begin immediately due to the fact that a couple of counselors were caught with drugs after the kids broke into their cars ("looking for cigarettes" they said) and found and smoked their stashes of marijuana.

Apparently they didn't get around to testing anyone for a couple more years.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 15, 2006, 09:41:00 AM

One person said they were tested in 95, and i was tested in 97 it started quite early in the history of the school

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 10:07:00 AM

The person who said they were tested in '95 was not there in '95 or is not being quite honest when they say testing was performed.

Were you given a pre-employment drug test and random testing or just one or the other? Do you know when the testing started (and don't say 1995, because everyone who worked there then knows that's just not true)? Other staff members heve stated "late 90's."

Were you given a criminal background check? Did you submit fingerprints?

None of this was being done in 1995.

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-15 07:14 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 10:12:00 AM

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On 2006-01-15 06:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"One person said they were tested in 95, and i was tested in 97 it started quite early in the history of the school"

BTW, you and the person who claims to have been tested in '95 are posting from the same IP address. I just verified that.

So, was it you claiming you were tested in '95 and '97 while pretending to be different people or do you just share a computer with the other poster?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 15, 2006, 10:22:00 AM

That is a lie. I was not the person who cut and pasted your post then said they were drug tested in 95. I only posted the one about 1997. I dont know who that other person is, but you are either lying or your IP search program is not working properly.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 10:26:00 AM

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On 2006-01-15 07:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That is a lie. I was not the person who cut and pasted your post then said they were drug tested in 95. I only posted the one about 1997. I dont know who that other person is, but you are either lying or your IP search program is not working properly."

So then you're just sharing the computer then. Fine.

Would you kindly answer the other questions from my previous post?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 15, 2006, 10:30:00 AM

No, not sharing the computer with any other former employee. I was not, I repeat, NOT that poster. You are just lying outright then. How nice. I posted about 1997 only. 2 posts about 1997. That was me. I did not post about 1995 other than to say someone else mentioned it. Why are you trying to discredit me with lies Dysfunction? Readers, he is lying. I dont even know how to cut and paste those blocks like the post he is stating was mine.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 10:39:00 AM

How about answering those other questions?

I do internet security and network management for a living. Go to your "start" button and hit "programs" and then "accessories" and then "command prompt." Type in "ipconfig" at the prompt. The result you see is what I see.

Nice heartfelt appeal to your "readers" though.

Maybe you can come up with an honest answer to these questions:

Were you given a pre-employment drug test and random testing or just one or the other? Do you know when the testing started (and don't say 1995, because everyone who worked there then knows that's just not true)? Other staff members heve stated "late 90's."

Were you given a criminal background check? Did you submit fingerprints?

Thanks.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 11:20:00 AM

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On 2006-01-15 07:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No, not sharing the computer with any other former employee. I was not, I repeat, NOT that poster. You are just lying outright then. How nice. I posted about 1997 only. 2 posts about 1997. That was me. I did not post about 1995 other than to say someone else mentioned it. Why are you trying to discredit me with lies Dysfunction? Readers, he is lying. I dont even know how to cut and paste those blocks like the post he is stating was mine."

:roll:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 15, 2006, 11:53:00 AM

One more time typical staff behavior, feign ignorance when caught.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 12:58:00 PM

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On 2006-01-15 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-15 07:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No, not sharing the computer with any other former employee. I was not, I repeat, NOT that poster. You are just lying outright then. How nice. I posted about 1997 only. 2 posts about 1997. That was me. I did not post about 1995 other than to say someone else mentioned it. Why are you trying to discredit me with lies Dysfunction? Readers, he is lying. I dont even know how to cut and paste those blocks like the post he is stating was mine."

:smokin: :rofl:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on January 15, 2006, 01:21:00 PM

Prices are okay, because the families that send
their children to HLA have prescription medicine
insurance...Of-course there is a handling 'fee'
charged by HLA...I don't know if they split that with the drug store, the drugstore gets all of it,
or...HLA gets it...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: abc123 on January 15, 2006, 09:14:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-01-15 07:39:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"How about answering those other questions?

I do internet security and network management for a living. Go to your "start" button and hit "programs" and then "accessories" and then "command prompt." Type in "ipconfig" at the prompt. The result you see is what I see.

Nice heartfelt appeal to your "readers" though.

Maybe you can come up with an honest answer to these questions:

Were you given a pre-employment drug test and random testing or just one or the other? Do you know when the testing started (and don't say 1995, because everyone who worked there then knows that's just not true)? Other staff members heve stated "late 90's."

Were you given a criminal background check? Did you submit fingerprints?

Thanks.
"

I made the original post about being tested in 1995, not whoever the anon is on these last couple of posts. I don't know what kind of check you are doing to determine this is coming from the same computer, but clearly you are wrong. I was tested in 1995.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 09:23:00 PM

Suuuuuurrrrre.

Why then do your coworkers say there was no testing until 1997?

When did you start working there?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: abc123 on January 15, 2006, 09:27:00 PM

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On 2006-01-15 18:23:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"Suuuuuurrrrre.

Why then do your coworkers say there was no testing until 1997?

When did you start working there?

"

I have no idea why anyone says when they were tested. I just know that I was tested in 1995.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 15, 2006, 09:50:00 PM

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On 2006-01-15 18:27:00, abc123 wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-01-15 18:23:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"Suuuuuurrrrre.

Why then do your coworkers say there was no testing until 1997?

When did you start working there?

"

I have no idea why anyone says when they were tested. I just know that I was tested in 1995. "

When in 1995?

When did you start working there?

Was your drug test in response to some sort of incident or a random test or a pre-employment screen?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 16, 2006, 11:56:00 AM

Here we go with the non-answers again. Same old same old...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 11:19:00 AM

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On 2006-01-14 08:58:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:

"Quit assuming every post is this Suzanne person. It is not"

But this one is! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It just doesn't get any better than that!

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 11:30:00 AM

Point. Set. Match.

Youre done Bullfrog. Accept it and leave.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on January 20, 2006, 01:00:00 PM

Damn some of you really dont have anything to do during the day do you...not that I care what Robert or Dysfunction think of me because I don't. But not every anonymous post was mine, and some of them that you say are, arent either. The issue over whether drug testing was done in 95..that was that ABC person...and Dysfunction said that was me...and it wasnt, wasnt even from the same IP addresses. But, have your fun, I find it slightly bizarre the obsession over only my posts, but whatever, its not that important to me anyway. If you wanna use me for the punching bag go ahead...Ive got more important things to worry about then this.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 01:26:00 PM

What he's not dead yet?

You cant dodge this Dolores, youve been caught. We dont have to guess which statements were yours and which ones were not. Its all been made clear as day. Your hypocricy, double speak, cowardice, and lies have all come to light.

You cannot hide anymore.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 03:58:00 PM

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On 2006-01-20 10:00:00, SHH wrote:

"Damn some of you really dont have anything to do during the day do you...not that I care...Ive got more important things to worry about then this. "

No you don't. That's why you've been on here for the last year stalking these guys in every forum they post in. Posting up petty little lies to try undermine the credibility of others.

Instead, what you have accomplished is the complete demolition of your very own credibility and that of the facility you represent.

Now you're doing damage control. Alas, it's too late for that. The horse has left the barn. The genie is out of the bottle, etc., etc., etc.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on January 29, 2006, 10:40:00 AM

Why does HLA allegedly allow people to work there after they've had sex with their minor patients?

Or why does HLA take court ordered kids but lie to parents and say they don't?

Or how exactly does HLA cure homosexuality?

Or how does millieu control benefit children?

Or why does HLA illegally use forced labor to improve the campus as punishment?

Or why does HLA strip search children when they tell parents they don't?

Or why does HLA use confrontation and call it group therapy?

Or why does HLA not have a contact for grievances in violation of its accreditation?

Or why does HLA use Lifespring large group awareness seminars that have been completely discredited over twenty years ago?

Or what are your credentials to comment on HLA's program or policy?

Or why does HLA illegally accept children in violation of the ICPC?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Antigen on February 01, 2006, 02:18:00 AM

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On 2005-11-29 03:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"that is a fact, that and there was only one real attempt in the last three years"

Aside from the ultimate bad outcome, how closely do you stay in touch w/ former students? Did you really love them? Or did you just take in the compulsory accolades and call it love? A few kids say you where real. Did you really pay attention?

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer

_________________
fka ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
Why I Live at the PO[ This Message was edited by: Eudora on 2006-01-31 23:53 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 09:21:00 AM

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On 2005-12-14 20:01:00, Eudora wrote:

"Well now, ya'll might have noticed that Marla's post to Amazing Forums, has mysteriously dissapeared.

Here's the letter of demand:

http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk01.jpg (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk01.jpg)

And here's the attached order:

http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk02.jpg (http://fornits.com/anonanon/docs/HLA/Quirk02.jpg)

Interesting....Stone is the judge who refused to throw out the indictments (for 2 minor errors) of the 6 counselors who are charged with killing 14 yr old Travis Jackson at the Appalachian Wilderness Program.
http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/index.html (http://www.kathymoya.com/FICA/index.html)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 10, 2006, 09:28:00 AM

Both these schools fall under the jurisdiction of the Enotah Circuit Court. There are only 3 judges in that circuit. Judge Stone hears alot of cases because of the small number of judges.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2006, 11:20:00 AM

Does anyone know what happened to Bill White?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 15, 2006, 12:20:00 PM

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On 2006-02-10 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone know what happened to Bill White?"

I'd like to know more about his departure as well. What exactly was his job function?

I have also heard that HLA has cut a few teachers loose recently. What would be the reason for that type of move? Is it that HLA is not concerned with proper academics? Is it that perhaps HLA doesn't have the financial resources to properly staff the facility?

Anybody have any insight?

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-02-15 09:20 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 05:25:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-02-10 06:28:00, SHH wrote:

"Both these schools fall under the jurisdiction of the Enotah Circuit Court. There are only 3 judges in that circuit. Judge Stone hears alot of cases because of the small number of judges. "
Confirmed bullshit.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 15, 2006, 05:28:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-02-15 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-10 06:28:00, SHH wrote:

"Both these schools fall under the jurisdiction of the Enotah Circuit Court. There are only 3 judges in that circuit. Judge Stone hears alot of cases because of the small number of judges. "

Confirmed bullshit."

PLEASE, don't get her started. I'm pain free at the moment. Don't make me hurt again.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 06:09:00 PM

SHH, what size panties do you wear?? XL?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 15, 2006, 06:31:00 PM

They aren't as big as yours

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 15, 2006, 07:41:00 PM

My goodness Bullfrog you sure can give as good as you take.

Now I know youre scared to death Im not going to let up about those questions..with good reason Im not please get your head out of the sand and go answer them.

In the mean time of you evading them tell us your thoughts about this corporate downsizing issue?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 09:40:00 PM

Did any of you guys hear what happened to Marla?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 15, 2006, 10:10:00 PM

Oh yes thats it Robert I am just scared to death
:roll:
And I dont have an opinion about HLA downsizing, but I am not sure that 6 employees (fired or quitting) out of over 160 counts as "downsizing". I would have to hear the reasons for each one's leaving to determine whether it was due to downsizing or not. But I personally haven't heard anything about financial woes from the grapevine, or about downsizing.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 10:12:00 PM

I love you, SHH.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 15, 2006, 10:25:00 PM

Now THATS something to be scared of
:scared:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 10:29:00 PM

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On 2006-02-15 19:25:00, SHH wrote:

"Now THATS something to be scared of

:scared: "
You're cute! :wink:

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 16, 2006, 09:33:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-02-15 19:10:00, SHH wrote:

"Oh yes thats it Robert I am just scared to death

:roll:

And I dont have an opinion about HLA downsizing, but I am not sure that 6 employees (fired or quitting) out of over 160 counts as "downsizing". I would have to hear the reasons for each one's leaving to determine whether it was due to downsizing or not. But I personally haven't heard anything about financial woes from the grapevine, or about downsizing."

Finally some element of truth comes out of your mouth. You admit youre scared. Praise God Bullfrog were making progress.

Now Im interested in this "grapevine" you speak of. See earlier you claimed you dont talk to anyone from HLA anymore other than your ex, and you dont discuss matters concerning the school with him.

So which is it?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 09:37:00 PM

Robert do you not recognize sarcasm? I am no more afraid of you than I am the boogeyman.

And as far as the grapevine, I don't have to talk to employees of HLA to have a "grapevine" to hear about things. And you aren't important enough to me for me to divulge who I talk to and who I don't.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Short Bus on February 16, 2006, 10:45:00 PM

Dont get smart with bruce, ya bitch :lol:[ This Message was edited by: Short Bus on 2006-02-16 20:02 ]

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 16, 2006, 11:43:00 PM

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On 2006-02-16 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Robert do you not recognize sarcasm? I am no more afraid of you than I am the boogeyman.

And as far as the grapevine, I don't have to talk to employees of HLA to have a "grapevine" to hear about things. And you aren't important enough to me for me to divulge who I talk to and who I don't. "

Oh Im very important you silly slob. Again though Im glad to see you can acknowledge your fear of me and apparently the boogeyman.

Now explain to me how a person such as yourself with no social skills and zero friends could ever have such a grape vine. Espically considering there are no employees in this said grapevine and there are very few people left from your time there to speak with or their spouses. This is due to the fact that there is massive turnover at this place as has been illustrated here and now.

So again explain yourself. Oh and go answer those questions or provide the ones you claim youve already answered.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 17, 2006, 07:09:00 AM

Whatever Robert.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 17, 2006, 08:06:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-15 09:20:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-10 08:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone know what happened to Bill White?"

I'd like to know more about his departure as well. What exactly was his job function?

I have also heard that HLA has cut a few teachers loose recently. What would be the reason for that type of move? Is it that HLA is not concerned with proper academics? Is it that perhaps HLA doesn't have the financial resources to properly staff the facility?

Anybody have any insight?

_________________

"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-02-15 09:20 ]"

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 09:11:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-15 19:10:00, SHH wrote:

"Oh yes thats it Robert I am just scared to death

:roll:

And I dont have an opinion about HLA downsizing, but I am not sure that 6 employees (fired or quitting) out of over 160 counts as "downsizing". I would have to hear the reasons for each one's leaving to determine whether it was due to downsizing or not. But I personally haven't heard anything about financial woes from the grapevine, or about downsizing."

Not all of the people that have left have been mentioned on this board. It is actually more like nine people who have left out of about 135 employees. That is almost 7% of the staff leaving in a two to three week period. I call that significant.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 17, 2006, 09:49:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 06:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-15 19:10:00, SHH wrote:

"Oh yes thats it Robert I am just scared to death

:roll:

And I dont have an opinion about HLA downsizing, but I am not sure that 6 employees (fired or quitting) out of over 160 counts as "downsizing". I would have to hear the reasons for each one's leaving to determine whether it was due to downsizing or not. But I personally haven't heard anything about financial woes from the grapevine, or about downsizing."

Not all of the people that have left have been mentioned on this board. It is actually more like nine people who have left out of about 135 employees. That is almost 7% of the staff leaving in a two to three week period. I call that significant."

Who else has left recently? Can you give the names and positions? Maybe just the positions?

Thanks.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 17, 2006, 10:21:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 04:09:00, SHH wrote:

"Whatever Robert. "

Oh my nothing to respond with?

I guess that means Ive proven my point.

So the question still remains why talk about things you know nothing of or cant back up?

Speaking of questions there are still a number youve been to afraid to answer. Get to it.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 17, 2006, 11:26:00 AM

I already told you no to your questions over 20 times. Quit asking me.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 11:27:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 08:26:00, SHH wrote:

"I already told you no to your questions over 20 times. Quit asking me. "

Ok, how 'bout answering this one then?

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =20#173253 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9171&forum=9&start=20#173253)

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Deborah on February 17, 2006, 12:03:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 08:26:00, SHH wrote:

"I already told you no to your questions over 20 times. Quit asking me. "

Quit responding.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 17, 2006, 12:12:00 PM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 08:26:00, SHH wrote:

"I already told you no to your questions over 20 times. Quit asking me. "

I dont understand why youre so afraid to answer the questions Bullfrog. They relate to your own statements. Can you not back up your own statements?

If thats all it is just say so and Ill drop the matter.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 17, 2006, 12:34:00 PM

Oh and still waiting to hear from you about this supposed grapevine.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 09:16:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-17 06:49:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-17 06:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

"
Quote

On 2006-02-15 19:10:00, SHH wrote:

"Oh yes thats it Robert I am just scared to death

:roll:

And I dont have an opinion about HLA downsizing, but I am not sure that 6 employees (fired or quitting) out of over 160 counts as "downsizing". I would have to hear the reasons for each one's leaving to determine whether it was due to downsizing or not. But I personally haven't heard anything about financial woes from the grapevine, or about downsizing."

Not all of the people that have left have been mentioned on this board. It is actually more like nine people who have left out of about 135 employees. That is almost 7% of the staff leaving in a two to three week period. I call that significant."

Who else has left recently? Can you give the names and positions? Maybe just the positions?

Thanks.
"

Any response from the "grapevine"?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 09:39:00 AM

The assumption is that everybody is quitting. That is not true. A few have been fired. A few have quit and not all for the same reasons.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 10:09:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-18 06:39:00, SHH wrote:

"The assumption is that everybody is quitting. That is not true. A few have been fired. A few have quit and not all for the same reasons. "

Nobody's assuming anything. I've heard as many as nine employees have left in the past month, none of whom have been replaced, i.e. no new hires to fill their spots.

Which ones do you know of that were fired? Quit? Fired or Quit for what reasons?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 11:06:00 AM

Quote
On 2006-02-18 06:39:00, SHH wrote:

"The assumption is that everybody is quitting. That is not true. A few have been fired. A few have quit and not all for the same reasons. "

Quote
Which ones do you know of that were fired? Quit? Fired or Quit for what reasons?

If you know their motives aren't the same, then it stands to reason that you know what their motives are, correct? I'd like to know what you've been told about WHY people are leaving.

There have been at least two teachers and four counselors that I know of for sure in the past month and I've heard about two other staffers, about whom I do not yet know the details.

That's a lot of turnover in a single month. Can you help to explain this exodus?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:51:00 AM

Nurse Therena is gone,too...She really cared about
the children...and, parents.. A wonderful
human being.

Psychiatrist was replaced,too. He cared about
the children and parents.. a good man.

Hla has given options...to some....resign,or
get fired....nice..option.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 11:54:00 AM

This is getting really interesting.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:54:00 AM

WHich counselors???

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 12:08:00 PM

Is this for real???????

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 12:08:00 PM

Is this for real??????? no way

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 18, 2006, 12:15:00 PM

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On 2006-02-18 08:51:00, juniper2 wrote:

"

Nurse Therena is gone,too...She really cared about

the children...and, parents.. A wonderful

human being.

Psychiatrist was replaced,too. He cared about

the children and parents.. a good man.

Hla has given options...to some....resign,or

get fired....nice..option."

Juni, who have you heard of specifically?

I have been told That Johnny Lott is being "squeezed" out. Other staff have reported that people's schedules are being radically altered without notice.

In my own experience, this schedule changing or "reassignment of duties" is used as the veiled way of saying "Quit now while the quitting is good." Looks like it's happening to Mr. Lott and to some of the non-clinical staff like the recreations people.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 06:01:00 PM

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On 2006-02-18 08:06:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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On 2006-02-18 06:39:00, SHH wrote:

"The assumption is that everybody is quitting. That is not true. A few have been fired. A few have quit and not all for the same reasons. "

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Which ones do you know of that were fired? Quit? Fired or Quit for what reasons?

If you know their motives aren't the same, then it stands to reason that you know what their motives are, correct? I'd like to know what you've been told about WHY people are leaving.

There have been at least two teachers and four counselors that I know of for sure in the past month and I've heard about two other staffers, about whom I do not yet know the details.

That's a lot of turnover in a single month. Can you help to explain this exodus?
"

No she really cant.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:24:00 PM

I have not heard of specific teachers....I shall try my channels and inquire...All I do know right now, is about the nurse and psychiatrist..and. it was done in an unethical
manner...according to those that possess ethics..

Also, I would imagine, HLA would desire to 'shore up' what HLA might determine as "weak
links"...The people that have been 'let go'
could not be manipulated, they questioned the system...

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: juniper2 on February 18, 2006, 11:40:00 PM

Does anyone actually know of the name of any counselors who are recently gone?? It is important....

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Post by: Troll Control on February 19, 2006, 08:04:00 AM

Sorry, this post lost

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Post by: juniper2 on February 19, 2006, 02:50:00 PM

Sorry, this post lost

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Post by: Bill Gray Jr. on February 19, 2006, 04:30:00 PM

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Post by: RobertBruce on February 19, 2006, 05:02:00 PM

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Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Troll Control on February 20, 2006, 09:21:00 AM

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On 2006-02-18 20:40:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Does anyone actually know of the name of any counselors who are recently gone?? It is important...."

Joy Wunderlich- Addictions counselor
Miya Martin- Counselor
Donna Gardner- Counselor
Bill White- Counselor (Fired)
Julie Allen- Assistant Counselor
Molly (don't know last name)- Assistant Coun.

There are more. I'll post the names when I get 'em.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Anonymous on February 20, 2006, 05:22:00 PM

This whole thing has been in the wind for about a year now. What it looks like is a nearly complete turn over in the counseling dept. If Chris Allen is gone, that would make a complete supervisory staff turn over in less than three years.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Deborah on September 16, 2006, 11:42:25 AM

Quote from: ""Guest""
if there were a fire they would open all fire escape exits.>>>

does that mean the locked windows would be opened? what if the fire is between the bedroom and the door?

if that's accurate, it's pretty lax, as my state requires child caring institutions to have two exits from each room. and if the second is a window, it must open from the inside.

did the fire inspector notice the windows were locked? i guess i should first ask if they even have fire inspections.

since there's a nightwatch person, how could the opposite sex sneak in without them knowing? wouldn't an alarm system be safer? can't miss an alarm when a window is opened. windows/doors locked. doesn't that exemplify a lockdown?

suzanne, not interested in your opinion. obvious that you make up half the stuff you say.

Does HLA have regular Fire Drills?

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: RobertBruce on September 16, 2006, 11:50:11 AM

Not when I was there nor to the present as far as I know. Im sure upon reading this they'll have one today and swear theyve done it all along.

Big Brother is always watching.

Title: Where is Marla? Hidden Lake Academy Special ED. Teacher
Post by: Lacey on September 16, 2006, 12:00:40 PM

Yeah, in my 23 months there was never one.

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