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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Carmel on November 28, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
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Id like some opinion on this....
Everyone please try to be objective and give your thoughts on what you would do in this situation.
I am almost 99% certain that a neighbor of mine is running a meth lab. They arent my neighbor proper, but they are down the street and a block over from me. We live in an unrestricted neighborhood, so the lots are usually very large acerage and its very private. I have been obeserving the place for several years now and I would be willing to bet my right tit that they have an operation going on in there. The house is very dilapidated and the yard is always in shambles. They have several scrawly pit-bulls out in the yard at any given time. This description could fit any old place, but Ill tell you why I think its something more. The windows are all covered over with heavy material, sometimes boards....they change them every few months or so. One window on the side of the house stays open all year round, rain or shine and its not broken. There is always huge piles of trash in the yard that they are in a perpetual state of cleaning up and burning, usually only at night. There seems to be one young man who lives there, and possibly one older gentleman. The real kicker is the flux of visitors, almost always in groups and almost never the same people or vehicles twice in a row. They are usually always hanging around by the front gate, or in the yard, and they come and go at all hours.
The younger kid seems to be mid-20s, and looks like something has been eating him from the outside. His skin is always horrible and he is always dirty or in dirty clothes.
I am not one to call the cops or be a snitch. But I do worry about the level of danger that one of those deals can present. If it were to blow up or start leaking some nastiness into the air. There are alot of families on that street with little ones and it just really bothers me to think something might happen. Sometimes the people who show up at night there park in the middle of the road or in the oncoming traffic lane, I almost hit a car parked in front of their house in the wrong lane. Its very dark on our streets.
I know I cant be the only one who notices these things, and there is a Harris County Sherriff who lives three houses down from them.
Would it be fair to at least bring up the issue to the HOA? At least find out if anyone else is concerned rather than trying to get them busted or something?
I know Ill get shit for this, but I am genuinely concerned with the safety issue. They can snort and huff all they please, but this borders putting others in danger.
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Well, I think the ultimate answer to the problem is the same hated one that solved a similar problem with rampant bootlegging years ago. It was no different in any major respect. Stills sometimes blow up. Deals sometimes go bad and violent. And many people died or were maimed by drinking "bathtub gin" during the other prohibition.
The hated, despised, immediately rejected answer to the overall problem is to turn the production and trade in currently illicit drugs back over to the legal, licensed producers and distributors who handled the business before we made it an insurmountable law enforcement problem.
The immediate answer? Probably nothing, but here's what I'd try. Have you got a dog or any other excuse to casually run into the cop? Odds are pretty good that he knows what's going on. Whether he's doing an extremely long term steak out as part of a sting operation (yeah, right?) or he's skimming some profits, just ask him something like "Gee, that place is really getting run down and I'm not sure they're taking care of the dogs.." and watch his reaction. Either way, it may clue him in to the fact that people are noticing and he may take some action. You just don't want to be seen talking to the cop prior to some bad news. for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.
--Alexander Hamilton
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In the 90's there was a meth manufacturer
down the alley from me.
I had just moved in and noticed the traffic
and the Charles Manson looking renter and
his dubious guests. It was only a month later
when the police came down in 5 unmarked
cars and busted him.
Two of the cars parked behind my house, some
neighbors came out to talk to them. They asked
why the activity wasn't stopped before, and
that it was obvious to all in the neighborhood.
The police said that they go by a point system,
depending on how busy they are.
Obviously if it is a crime on a person, they
respond immediately.
If it is suspicion of drug dealing, they get
a lot of those and it has to be investigated
correctly to gather evidence.
In our neighborhood they sent in a narc to buy
drugs from the guy, and eventually arrested
him after collecting as much collateral information as possible.
So, to make this long story short, the police
have to be notified.
If you are too concerned to call and have your
number recorded, then I would type up the letter
and mail it to them.
Wait, see if there is any police activity after
a month or so, then decide your next move.
Or, better yet, if you keep a week's worth of
chronological activity and mail it to them,
then it will help them acertain the severity
of the problem.
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One other thought. Prohibition places law enforcement in a round room and instructs them to piss in the corner. Sometimes, the best a good cop can do is to pick producers and distributors who are less problematic than others and leave them alone while concentrating on the really bad guys.
It may very well be that this particular operation is well known to the cop just three doors down and they like it that way. You know very well that busting the guy will not reduce the supply by one ounce. He'll be replaced. And the new guy might be more prone to violence, less careful in his chemistry and not at all inclined to keep the kids out of it. In other words, this guy may by part of the best solution available to us till we can repeal some very bad policies.
Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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Try reporting them to the zoning commission (running a business in a residentional neighborhood; proven by the traffic you describe) or file a complaint with the health department. You've seen rodents or noticed a smell. You can even report the dog poop has piled up, and they will do an inspection.
This might serve to get the "authorities" involved and also give fair warning to your neighbors before the cops come in on it.
The other agencies will be the ones filing the complaint of a meth lab with the cops - not you.
And your complaint to the zoning commission or the health dept should be anonymous.
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Give me their address and we'll take care of them for you.
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On 2005-11-28 08:59:00, Antigen wrote:
"Well, I think the ultimate answer to the problem is the same hated one that solved a similar problem with rampant bootlegging years ago. It was no different in any major respect. Stills sometimes blow up. Deals sometimes go bad and violent. And many people died or were maimed by drinking "bathtub gin" during the other prohibition.
The hated, despised, immediately rejected answer to the overall problem is to turn the production and trade in currently illicit drugs back over to the legal, licensed producers and distributors who handled the business before we made it an insurmountable law enforcement problem.
The immediate answer? Probably nothing, but here's what I'd try. Have you got a dog or any other excuse to casually run into the cop? Odds are pretty good that he knows what's going on. Whether he's doing an extremely long term steak out as part of a sting operation (yeah, right?) or he's skimming some profits, just ask him something like "Gee, that place is really getting run down and I'm not sure they're taking care of the dogs.." and watch his reaction. Either way, it may clue him in to the fact that people are noticing and he may take some action. You just don't want to be seen talking to the cop prior to some bad news. for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion.
--Alexander Hamilton
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I agree with you on this. Ultimately...that is the answer I think. I am just at a loss on what to do about it on a local level. Our Homeowners Association is currently working on implementing limited restrictions in the area. We have a "Dog Guy" stockpiling labrador retrievers and another land owner wanting to sublet his property as mobile home parcels, so they have begun discussing some sort of guideline. If that happens it would be much easier to confer with others on the place in question and possibly get certain deed restrictions enforced that would hamper the operations. Something like not beign able to board up windows or doors.
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I'd be more concerned about the missing pizza delivery guys.
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I would refrain from calling the police. It's a can of worms I would not want to open. I'm not sure at what distance the meth fumes would be dangerous, but if they would only be harmful to the people in the house well I'd sit back and let nature take it's course. If you feel compelled to call the police do it from a payphone.
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On 2005-11-28 09:24:00, Antigen wrote:
You know very well that busting the guy will not reduce the supply by one ounce. He'll be replaced.
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Easy for you to say if you don't live there.
Especially with kids around.
I disagree, we are not on this planet forever,
why should one neighborhood suffer because the
what if ... may be worse.
The only guarantee that one has is not reporting
either by phone call from home, anonymous phone
call from a phone booth, or an anonymous letter -
is nothing will happen.
If it is reported there is a chance that the problem in your neighborhood, around your family,
will be resolved.
Doing nothing will bring the same results.
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Sorry your dilema sucks, but it does ...
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Our neighborhood became so friendly after
the Charled Manson looking meth dude was
gone it was fantastic!
Try getting rid of the, I am sure you will
not regret the relief you will receive.
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Regarding retribution?
They are paranoid anyway ...
Who knows who they will pick on?
Just get rid of them ...
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Antigen,
" Repeal some very bad policies???"
Are you suggesting that meth be legalized?
I would be curious to know if you have ever personaly known someone who has been addicted to meth.
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On 2005-11-30 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen,
" Repeal some very bad policies???"
Are you suggesting that meth be legalized?
I would be curious to know if you have ever personaly known someone who has been addicted to meth."
I have never known anyone addicted, however, Meth being illegal doesnt actually determine whether or not people get addicted or use it....does it? I dont like it being in my neighborhood, but making it illegal surely hasnt solved mine or anyone elses problems.
Ginger is suggesting that it be legalized so that it might be REGULATED, and we wont have mom and pop closet labs blowing up and emitting fumes. You dont see anyone brewing moonshine anymore and poisioning people with bad batches. The actual usage of alcohol is irrelevent. We have already learned the legitimacy of making something illegal or a crime.
I dont want freak-o-rama brewing meth under the radar in my neighborhood. And if repealling policies is the answer...get to it! People are going to use regardless.
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On 2005-11-30 06:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Antigen,
" Repeal some very bad policies???"
Are you suggesting that meth be legalized?
I would be curious to know if you have ever personaly known someone who has been addicted to meth."
Sure! And you have too, I bet, if you're over about 30 years old. But you probably didn't know they were meth addicts. Hell, if you know any Navy or Air Force vets, you probably know some fine, upstanding meth users. They still use the stuff in the military, ya' know. They call them "go pills". And they still use some sort of downers, too, which they call "no go pills". They can be somewhat problematic at times. Remember a couple of years ago when our guys mistook a platoon of Canadians for an enemy target and blew them off the map in Afghanistan? That's one of the down sides to legal, supervised use of meth as a performance enhancing drug. No joke at all.
But, as Carmel notes (and we're not alone), when you take away the plethora of problems created by prohibition, we're left with relatively manageable problems. Most people don't even know that metho was only moved to SchedII in the `80's. Prior to that, it was much easier for truckers and grad students to obtain regent quality meth at reasonable prices and w/o having to confess to a crime in the event they needed professional help and advice regarding it's use.
Has prohibition improved the situation in any way? None that I know of.
So yes, I'm not only suggesting but shouting from the highest mountain that we grow the fuck up, get over our collective puritanical temper tantrum about the use of certain drugs and return to the policies that worked so well for us before the stepcraft practitioners hijacked our public policy.
You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot
easier.
--GW Büsh, Governor of Texas. Governing Magazine, 7/98
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BBBBUUUUMMMMPPPP.....
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Whether or not Meth is illegal is besides the point. Meth addiction is a horrible thing.
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Compared to the tragedy of the missing pizza dellivery drivers? Come on, let's get some perspective.
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Who was it that said that Antigen and Carmel never seem to disagree on anything? Sure glad that you gals are not the ones making decisions for everyone. Antigen, you gave a nice little history lesson on Meth but you were not as accurate as you might think.
As far as knowing someone personaly who was addicted to meth, it's hard NOT to know. The horrible physical and mental changes that occur are unmistakable. So, you go get up on that mountain top and scream your bloody head off Antigen. When your sister, daughter, friend, husband, gets hooked on meth and it becomes more than just a debate of policy on this board, then maybe I will listen to your babble.
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On 2005-12-01 09:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whether or not Meth is illegal is besides the point. Meth addiction is a horrible thing."
I agree....nothing good can come from meth.....I feel for you and your delima, Carmel...even if YOU don't say anything, nature will be sure to run it's course...they will either get busted, blow the house up or someone will call about the animals....if you do say something, don't worry about it....i'm sure others in the area are concerned as well...
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Monsters always return to their creators.
Neighborhood meth labs don't last long. Anyone cooking in a neighborhood does not know what they are doing and will fuck up.
Meth is not evil. What some people do on meth is evil, and what some people do to get meth is evil.
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On 2005-12-05 11:18:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
"Monsters always return to their creators.
Neighborhood meth labs don't last long. Anyone cooking in a neighborhood does not know what they are doing and will fuck up.
Meth is not evil. What some people do on meth is evil, and what some people do to get meth is evil.
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So fucking true. Personally, I hate the shit as a recreational high, but it was great for making those back-road, cross-country drives my former profession occasionally required of me. Drugs are inanimate objects, they are neither inherently good nor evil in and of themselves (except for TBPITW, which is so ruthlessly evil that it's good, but that's a special case).
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For the record, Meth isn't completely illegal; it is a controlled substance. It can be prescribed for ADD treatment (though rarely anymore). It's brand name is Desoxyn and comes in 5mg doses. Funny how that works.
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On 2005-12-07 06:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For the record, Meth isn't completely illegal; it is a controlled substance. It can be prescribed for ADD treatment (though rarely anymore). It's brand name is Desoxyn and comes in 5mg doses. Funny how that works."
You are correct that Desoxyn is prescription crystal meth:
http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/methamphetamine.htm (http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/methamphetamine.htm)
I do not think that you are correct about Desoxyn
being used for ADD or ADHD. At least not in the
first lines of treatment.
The "funny how speed works" is called the paradoxical effect.
It is also a quick test for someone to determine
if they may have ADD or ADHD.
If a normal person takes speed, they speed up.
If a person takes speed, and slows down, and is
able to concentrate better then they most likely
have ADD or ADHD and should go for further testing.
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No, sorry. That's yet another myth busted by honest research. Fact is, you give anybody a little blow or other stimulant and it will improve their performance. That's why the military continues to use "go pills" to keep their soldiers sharp. That's why stims are so damned popular among grad students during exam season. The shit works.
There's no more real correlation between ADD and beneficial effects from stims than there ever was between boyancy and witchcraft.
Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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This may be all too true, however I have observed that people who are normally hyperactive get alot less agitation and anxiety when they are doing blow than say, someone like me who is not hyperactive at all. I have observed it quite a bit in more than a handful of people. These are those jackasses who can fall asleep after snorting a huge rail. I never could figure that out.
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There's no more real correlation between ADD and beneficial effects from stims than there ever was between boyancy and witchcraft.
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I speak from personal experience.
I know you would respect my life and
my choice of treatments and my knowledge
of what effect it had on my mind and body.
Thanks!
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In my experience of testing, speed always drove me down and upon further testing was considered adhd. what a joke. i just call it chronic spaziness and jog 5 miles a day and smoke weed.
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Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
TREATMENT
One reason for regarding ADD as a distinct disorder with a biological origin is the immediate and striking relief from some of its symptoms provided by the stimulant drugs methylphenidate (Ritalin), dextroamphetamine (Dexedrine), and magnesium pemoline (Cylert). These drugs are helpful for about 75% of children and adults with ADD. They become less irritable and restless, and their attention and motor coordination improve; others begin to like them better, and they begin to think better of themselves. The drugs have no direct effect on learning disabilities, but may make special education and tutoring easier.
There is little danger of drug abuse or addiction, because patients do not feel euphoria or develop tolerance or craving. They become dependent on stimulant drugs, it has been said, only in the same sense that a person with diabetes is dependent on insulin or a nearsighted person on eyeglasses. The main side effects - appetite loss, stomach aches, nervousness, and insomnia - usually subside within a week or can be eliminated by lowering the dose. A child's rate of growth may be slowed for a few years while he is taking a stimulant, but it returns to normal in adolescence. There is no evidence of long-term deleterious effects.
Methylphenidate and dextroamphetamine are short-acting drugs, but they are now available in time-release capsules that prolong the effects to eight or ten hours. Pemoline is longer-acting. The drug is started at a low dose that is gradually increased if necessary; parents can make adjustments according to the child's level of activity. If the symptoms do not improve after two weeks at the highest acceptable dose, drugs will probably never be useful. Some experts recommend that children take stimulants only during school hours and not on weekends or vacations. Most believe that drug treatment should be discontinued for several weeks once every six months or once a year to see whether it is still needed.
Several other kinds of drugs are also used in treating ADD, especially when the patient does not improve on stimulants or cannot tolerate their side effects. Beta-blockers such as propranolol (Inderal) or nadolol (Corgard) can be prescribed along with (or occasionally instead of) stimulants to reduce jitteriness. Tricyclic antidepressants, especially desipramine (Norpramin), are sometimes effective at doses lower than those used for depression; their most serious potential side effect is disturbance of heart rhythms. Another drug occasionally prescribed for ADD is clonidine, which is ordinarily used to lower blood pressure and suppress tics. Its most common troublesome side effect is drowsiness.
Most of these drugs alter the effects of one of the catecholamine neurotransmitters, norepinephrine or dopamine; either the transmitter's rate of release or reabsorption is changed, or the brain's sensitivity to it is affected. Neurons that produce these transmitters are located in the RAS and nucleus accumbens, among other regions. Although brain systems using catecholamines are clearly essential for the regulation of attention, the precise way they work is not yet understood. The effects of stimulant drugs were once described as "paradoxical" because they seemed to make children with ADD calmer rather than more active. The paradox, if it is one, is not confined to people with ADD, since low doses of stimulants have been found to improve concentration and reduce restlessness in most children.
Not a panacea
The long-term benefits of drug treatment are uncertain. It is difficult to predict which children will be helped and how long the drugs will be needed. Anxiety, depression, learning disabilities, and conduct disorders are not directly affected by the drugs. Although children may calm down, concentrate better, and behave less disruptively while taking a stimulant, there is no solid evidence that their schoolwork improves in the long run or that the adult outcome is affected. The original symptoms usually return in full force when a child stops taking the drug.
Far from becoming addicted to stimulants, children and especially adolescents with ADD are often reluctant to take the drugs at all. They may be embarrassed about having to see a school nurse at noon to take a pill and humiliated by the implication that they cannot control their own behavior. Adolescents dislike the feeling of being different, defective, or dependent. In one study, 20% of hyperactive children who had agreed to take drugs for a year stopped by the fourth month, and nearly 50% by the tenth month. Another study found that only 22% of children given prescriptions for stimulants continued to take them for as long as two years.
Pediatricians and family doctors who consider prescribing stimulants should be sure that the problem is really ADD. Children should not be given drugs just because they are noisy or unruly, and other treatable conditions should be excluded. Even if drugs are necessary, they should not be used to the exclusion of other treatments or as an excuse for not trying to find and eliminate the causes of specific symptoms in specific circumstances. ADD is not a simple problem with a single solution. Drugs cannot give people skills they have never developed or fully relieve the resulting frustration and shame. Possibly the most important use of drugs is to create a space for other treatments to work.
Getting reassurance
Part of the solution is simply acknowledging that the symptoms constitute a recognized psychiatric disorder. That is often reassuring for children and parents who have found the situation mystifying and maddening. Psychotherapy may help patients to identify and deflect the feelings that cause impulsive and aggressive reactions. (It is often best to ask children to talk not about themselves but about their reactions to other people's complaints.) Since children with ADD often have difficulty following social rules and understanding social situations, therapy must be didactic; for example, they may have to learn how to look at others who talk to them, listen to what they say, and wait their turn before answering. Some therapies work on the assumption that ADD patients have an inadequate sense of the past and future and must learn how to anticipate the consequences of their actions. Group therapy is often helpful, not only for mutual support and exchanges of advice, but because group meetings are a laboratory in which the situations most troublesome for these children can be recreated and they can see in others what they have not been able to see in themselves.
Children with ADD need structure and routine. They should be helped to make schedules and break assignments down into small tasks to be performed one at a time. It may be necessary to ask them repeatedly what they have just done, how they might have acted differently, and why others react as they do. Especially when young, these children often respond well to strict application of clear and consistent rules. In school, they may be helped by close monitoring, quiet study areas, short study periods broken by activity (including permission to leave the classroom occasionally), and brief directions often repeated. They can be taught how to use flashcards, outlines, and underlining. Timed tests should be avoided as much as possible. Other children in the classroom may show more tolerance if the problem is explained to them in terms they can understand.
In a sense, establishing structure and routine is a form of behavior therapy - consistent schedules with rewards for acceptable behavior. Behavior therapy in a more formal sense may be useful to prevent a particular kind of aggressive or disruptive behavior that occurs in a few specific circumstances, but applying it to all the situations in which symptoms of ADD appear would be impractical - too time-consuming and demanding for anyone's patience and skill. Some behavior therapists have added cognitive techniques designed to change self-defeating thoughts, with inconclusive results.
Family conflict is one of the most troublesome consequences of ADD. Especially when the symptoms have not yet been recognized and the diagnosis made, parents blame themselves, one another, and the child. As they become angrier and impose more punishment, the child becomes more defiant and alienated, and the parents still less willing to accept his excuses or believe in his promises. A father or mother with adult ADD sometimes compounds the problem. Constantly compared unfavorably with his brothers and sisters, the child with ADD may become the family scapegoat, blamed for everything that goes wrong. When ADD is diagnosed, parents may feel guilty about not understanding the situation sooner, while other children in the family may reject the diagnosis as an excuse for attention-getting misbehavior.
To avoid constant family warfare, parents must learn to distinguish behavior with a biological origin from reactions to the primary symptoms or responses to the reactions of others. They should become familiar with signs indicating imminent loss of self-control by a child with ADD. A routine with consistent rules must be established; these rules can be imposed on young children but must be negotiated with older ones and with adolescents. The family should have a clear division of responsibility, and the parents should present a united front. It often helps to write out complaints and to praise good behavior immediately. Role-playing may help a child with ADD to see how others see him. Family therapy or counseling, parent groups, and child management training are sometimes useful.
Most of the principles used in treating children with ADD also apply to the treatment of adults. They respond almost as well as children to stimulant drugs (according to one study, even cocaine abusers with ADD can be effectively treated with methylphenidate or dextroamphetamine). Like children, they must often learn how to schedule, organize, and take time to reflect before talking or acting. They may need specialists in learning disabilities or psychotherapists to help them with chronic anger, alcohol and drug abuse, or low self-esteem. Self-help support groups can also be useful. Many suggestions for coping with parent-child conflict apply to conflict between husbands and wives. They have to avoid a pattern in which the person with ADD, constantly criticized and nagged, increasingly ignores or distances his or her partner. It may help to list complaints and recommendations and set aside time to spend together, scheduling it if necessary.
The effectiveness of treatment for ADD is difficult to judge. Patterns of change vary greatly and unpredictably with both drugs and psychotherapy, and there are uncertainties even in the standard measures of outcome; for example, some studies suggest that a child's own feelings about himself, observations of his behavior, and the judgments of other children about him do not change in the same ways or at the same time. Another problem is that the available studies are mostly short-term, although the issues are long term ones. Researchers may never know whether childhood drug treatment has lasting effects, since assigning children at random to a drug or a placebo is no longer considered acceptable. Treatment may become more precise and reliable when the diagnostic standards for ADD are refined and subtypes are differentiated through the study of genetics, family histories, responses to drugs, neuropsychological tests, and the associated learning disabilities and antisocial behavior.
Related Topics:
* Attention Deficit Screening Quiz
http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm (http://psychcentral.com/addquiz.htm)
* Symptoms of Attention Deficit Disorder
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx1.htm (http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx1.htm)
* Online Resources
http://psychcentral.com/resources/Atten ... _Disorder/ (http://psychcentral.com/resources/Attention_Deficit_Disorder/)
From the Harvard Mental Health Letter, Copyright 1995. Reprinted here with permission.
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Perhaps the biggest and best question to ask when reading about any scientific research is: who paid for it?
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On 2005-12-09 07:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Perhaps the biggest and best question to ask when reading about any scientific research is: who paid for it? "
This is true, and a very good point.
Except it is not applicable to the
well known paradoxical effect speed
has on ADD/ADHD patients.
Ask any of us patients ...
There does not need to be any more
research on what has been known for
what ... 70 years since Ritilan came
on the market.
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All that's good and well, anon. But then, how do you explain the use of stimulants in military, accademic and other high performance occupations, professions and vocations? Face facts, people use stims w/ great success (most of the time) because they work pretty much the same for damned near everyone.
I've been looking around a bit for some research I read years ago by Dr. John Morgan on the subject. I saw him speak at a conf a few years back. He was one of the scientists who conducted research intended to prove just what you say here. They lost their grant money because their research showed the opposite; that stimulants improve performance for damned near everybody. And they got a little schooling in public funding and policy pro bono. Pop another black beauty and look it up, why donchya?
As for stims not being habit forming :rofl: Oh please, gimme a break! Wanna have some fun? Just go and replace the real coffee in some local coffee shop w/ Sanka like they did in that old commercial and see what really happens.
Now, all this said, if you like the drugs you're taking, fine. It's a free country (sort of, you're free to do what the regime allows). Go ahead and enjoy it. You don't have to justify or pretend to anybody that your drugs are better than anybody else's.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."
"Isn't your pants' zipper supposed to be in the front?"
--Hobbs to Calvin
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I was addressing ADD/ADHD patients taking
stimulants to slow down. That is a paradox
from the normal reaction.
Normal people, or those without ADD/ADHD have
the normal reaction from stimulants ... they
stimulate.
Yes, normal people better do better with
speed because they function at a higher level.
ADD/ADHD patients function better because the
stimulants slow down their thinking so they
can focus better and concentrate on projects
giving them the best chance possible to completion.
That is all.
Regarding addiction?
I don't know, I am just talking about prescriptions and appropriate dosages.
Not partying with higher dosages and mixing
it with other inebriants.
My comments where, and are, focused narrowly
on the paradoxical effect that stimulants
have for ADD/ADHD patients.
We need the, you probably don't.
Do I expect you to understand after what you
posted ... no.
Bias always wins over logic.
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Gosh... it must be hard to be Antigen. She just seems to know EVERYTHING about Everything!
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On 2005-12-10 05:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Gosh... it must be hard to be Antigen. She just seems to know EVERYTHING about Everything!"
Yes, it must be very difficult to know it all.
Unfortunately in the case of the mentally ill,
especially those of us that are symptomatic
these biased opinions can cause great harm.
We need to make choices for ourselves. We also
need to know what is available with just the facts.
It is not a friggin sporting event where one is
better than another and criticizing one treatment
or industry over another makes an individual a
smart person, knowledgable person or for that matter a source of information.
Please for all those that wish to advise the
mentally ill on something you have never experiences leave your biases in your head.
We don't need to be influenced by scare tactics,
we do need treatment, and we need to have the
freedom and choice to make those decisions.
Ultimately, we are always responsible for our
actions, and that includes choice of treatment
or not.
When someone like Antigen makes biased comments
and influences an unstable person to make a
decision based on a bias, instead of facts,
then it is the mental person who pays the price
and has to live with it. Not Antigen and those
like here.
So please, drop the biased statemtents, I/we
don't want to be hurt any more than the damage
the illness has already done.
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right, i know...SMILEY, asshole.
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How friggin stupid is someone who
reads a thread that bores them ... ?
:wstupid:
:tup:
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I didn't fucking SAY that i read it, SHITHEAD. :lol:
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YEAH....ever hear of skimming something, fuckface? :rofl:
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I am almost 99% certain that a neighbor of mine is running a meth lab. They arent my neighbor proper, but they are down the street and a block over from me. We live in an unrestricted neighborhood, so the lots are usually very large acerage and its very private. I have been obeserving the place for several years now and I would be willing to bet my right tit that they have an operation going on in there. The house is very dilapidated and the yard is always in shambles. They have several scrawly pit-bulls out in the yard at any given time. This description could fit any old place, but Ill tell you why I think its something more. The windows are all covered over with heavy material, sometimes boards....they change them every few months or so. One window on the side of the house stays open all year round, rain or shine and its not broken. There is always huge piles of trash in the yard that they are in a perpetual state of cleaning up and burning, usually only at night. There seems to be one young man who lives there, and possibly one older gentleman. The real kicker is the flux of visitors, almost always in groups and almost never the same people or vehicles twice in a row. They are usually always hanging around by the front gate, or in the yard, and they come and go at all hours.
The younger kid seems to be mid-20s, and looks like something has been eating him from the outside. His skin is always horrible and he is always dirty or in dirty clothes.
Just cause I live down the street from you and live like this dont mean I am running a meth lab. You enjoy watching me?
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On 2005-12-10 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Just cause I live down the street from you and live like this dont mean I am running a meth lab. You enjoy watching me?"
Yes, it is a blast watching a loser tread water!
::boohoo::
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I have a problem with frustration making it hard to learn. I read that sudafed is like the adhd meds, so i took one one morning when i was planning to study for a quiz. shortly after taking the pill i FELL ASLEEP in my car!!! now that's snoozing. i woke up with time left to maybe skim a little, and i could actually concentrate on the review the prof gave us before the quiz. i did excellent. however, sudafed can burn out the motor, the car starts spittin and smokin and making strange noises....use with caution.
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Meth and tweakers suck..Do you smell catpiss in the air? If youve ever been around someone cooking or smelled it ..it has a distinct odor thats almost impossible to mask, and smells like nothing else.
I can only compare it to the smell of walking into a house that has dried cat piss deep in the carpets
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On 2005-12-12 07:34:00, linchpin wrote:
"Meth and tweakers suck..Do you smell catpiss in the air? If youve ever been around someone cooking or smelled it ..it has a distinct odor thats almost impossible to mask, and smells like nothing else.
I can only compare it to the smell of walking into a house that has dried cat piss deep in the carpets
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I didn't know that.
Thanks for the tip.
For me, the quicker I figure
it out the faster my departure.