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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 17, 2005, 11:17:00 PM
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How do you really know what the fuck happened at Straight?!?
You got people like Richard Bradbury and Wes Fager who won't give out how they get their fucking information and they are loathe to offer community property. If they really and truly have old documents that are available, those should be made available to every survivor.
I for one couldn't give a shit about an old crony like Fager, now could I care less about a hack like Bberry other than if they have documents that are the rightful property of the people they claim to be 'fighting for'.
I originally asked them nicely to see about giving me some of the applications and documents that hold people accountable for their deeds at Straight and those two pieces of shit asked me for money strate up! Same goes with Marti Heath that old pedophilic bag....
You want documents you better have money, even though they belong to you just as much as they belong to all survivors, and even if you do have money there is no guarantee they'll give you what is asked for.
I'm telling you these people are liars and they are Pro Straight. You'll know the ones who will now say, directly after this post, slanderous comments and not even pay attention to what is really being said in truth - they'll deny it by their falseness and fallacies. Watch them come now. Those who are liars here will now deny the truth by attacking the original postor, so let's have it liars. Come on pussy, let's see those lies. Let's see those fallacies and lies.
Or are you finally going to get honest about your Pro Straight attachments. No? That's what I thought.
Yes, I'm talking to you Cayo Hueso, Ray B., Wes Fager, and the others of your disgusting, horrible kind.
So stop by anytime to my hood, I got a old crowbar for yer fuckin child abusin asses! You can have your money when you come over. Watch these pussies deny they charge money for documents that don't exist. That's right, fuck you Marti Heath you pedophile, and fuck you Richard the faggot, and fuck you Wes Fagger. Liars and Pro Straightlings. Pussies all of them.
That's right bitch, I said crowbar and I called YOU a pedophile. There's not a Fucking thing you can do about it either - except whine some more and keep on lieing and eventually die knowing you're a lieing child abusing pedophile. Post NOW pussy. Do It! Post more lies and slander for the world to know you are a pedophile, go ahead. I say post now and you will.
When Michael Sherman was asked why he lied about Morgan, Collin, and Gilbert being able to fully get around all statute of limitations - his only reply was "That's what I was told". He was then asked who told him that to which he replied that it was not the attorneys but he could not tell me 'whom' it was (he used the word 'whom' from what I was told, another faggot word).
So, whom do you believe; people who want money for documents that belong to ALL survivors that no one has any way of telling are real or not? You would believe people who all tell the same formatted and memorized stories about rape, all their brother's heads being put through walls on or around the same dates, and more lies about child abuse that can IN NO WAY be verified except by those who claim to have pure sovereignty over documents that have not been proven to exist? This is not new issues, these have been going on for years with these quacks who still believe in Straight Incorporated.
Or do you believe what your gut has been telling you since you've been coming here - these people are liars and they advocate child abuse and that these people are still brainwashed and in denial and approve of lieing for the cause of pedophilia?
You know what to do. Get out your crowbar and start bustin. Wait for 'em, they'll be along real soon here now. I can smell 'em a world away, they like to abuse kids and they like to deny it which is part of their fun.
Go ahead and edit this post, Ginger Warbis, you're a pedophile too you story-changing red necked bare foot mountain climbing hee haw looking corn pone biatch who can't decide whether or not she was in Straight Inc. When you do edit this post you are doing it because you are a pedophile and you are still in denial and you are still cult-brainwashed. Edit now. Or not, child fucker that you are.
As for the rest of you pedophiles that come here, well more power to you. Your day is coming soon, too. So keep posting your lies, your dreams of a mad world gone pedophile and get back to me here real soon. I know you will. In the meantime, I welcome you to report this to the authorities, your family members, and bring out the medcart and the rest of your lies and slander. That's what pedophiles and liars do; deny.
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I had that problem, people wanting money for stuff. I heard a few years back Wes had phone lists, like parent phone lists. I was looking for an intake application form. Can it truly be that amongst all the smuggled files, nobody ever found that thing we signed?
The thing is, I don't have a bad thing to say about Wes, but if he is getting tired and his files are getting lost and whatnot, if files are with different people, and no one knows who has what, this is the time to put it aright, we survivors have enough pain with lost files and lost memories. I been hearing rumors about someone has this, someone has that, we got fire plans for Cincinnati, parent lists for Springfield, Texas files that might or might not have ever been gotten. We got rumors flying about who has what and how much they are charging and whether or not they have any organizational system and can even find what you need to send it to you.
I will tell you all what, that is for real, your loss of your solid paper evidences. I got my hospital files and it was solid evidence in my hand. We are living in a material world, we got hands and eyes. Evidence is evidence, and paper records go a lot farther in court as well as in your own mind and circumstances.
I move to create a trust, and we buy ourselves an office that is open and staffed. Those files are ours. It will take some doing to get this together. We need money backers. There's a lot more this office could do, too. Tell you what, I will scout out some space and get back to you with the rent and all that. We have people close enough to the location of the files to box them and mail them to a created non-profit overseen trust. I can put up a volunteer or two on this end. We need computer equipment, but between everybody who reads this board and was really wanting to upgrade their scanner and donate the old one to us and so on, this should not be a big money outlay. The office itself should be on neutral, signed territory. So really, we just need rent and telephone and internet, we can steal pens from around town and stuff. j/k on that last bit. couldn't help myself.
Everyone knows this needs doing. Everyone knows that I am obsessive enough to do it. All in favor say aye and put up your pledge of $5 - $100 a month. This will be oversighted and on the up and up.
As for personal files on individuals, okay, this is a job, those files should be treated a certain way, with integrity, sealed, and the person whose file it is gets it mailed to them and if they choose after they see it they can mail back a copy for the historical record.
Certainly there will be many particulars to discuss.
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I forgot, we will need a copier, mailing supplies, and postage too.
What I'll do, see, we'll have a kitchen in the office, you know, like real laid back gen-x or whatever, bean bag chairs and whatnot, and people can put on music while they work and burn and all. I'll get a couple of homeless youths, and they can hang out all day and cook stuff and get a cheap ass sewing machine and do their hippie purse making projects, they just have to keep after the stacks for the copier. See, you don't have to have that much of an outlay, you just got to tradesies.
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On 2005-11-17 20:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do you really know what the fuck happened at Straight?!?
You are a sad, strange little man....and you have my pity.
:wstupid:
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On 2005-11-18 00:53:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
"I forgot, we will need a copier, mailing supplies, and postage too.
What I'll do, see, we'll have a kitchen in the office, you know, like real laid back gen-x or whatever, bean bag chairs and whatnot, and people can put on music while they work and burn and all. I'll get a couple of homeless youths, and they can hang out all day and cook stuff and get a cheap ass sewing machine and do their hippie purse making projects, they just have to keep after the stacks for the copier. See, you don't have to have that much of an outlay, you just got to tradesies. "
Now THAT is some of the best information I have read in a long time!!!
See, whether or not you are pro straight (I'm not claiming exprisoner is or is not here) you can still help children get past abuse and molestation. If you do have files (which Marti, Richard, and Wes hoard them all to themselves like the lieing pussies they are. No, seriously, these people really don't help anyone at all but themselves.) then you are Pro Straight. Keeping files from survivors and also charging for them (except for maybe postage if at all (and then claiming to want to chat like friends)) is a no-no as well as lieing about lawyers taking cases.
Doing these things makes you look like you should get your head whooped boys and girls. And NO, it does not matter if that is all you have to cling to and you're afraid if you reveal the files you will die or lose out somehow and you have decided to be selfish about keeping them from other survivors so they can suffer and you are playing a stupid game of god with them.
Wes, you come to my hood with your kooky little retarded boy and I'll kick the shit out of your whole file stealing, child fucking family.
If I were you, exprisoner, I would talk to the attorney who is handling the Miller Newton case. If you are as obsessive as others like myself are about really helping children and not keeping the glory for yourself then you will see the chance of what I am saying.
Once the federal government has control of his house they are going to sell. Now look, we have a very high stakes interest in that house of his. I for one was thinking of an office idea much the same as you were. Ask them if you can buy it for a penny.
On a more sane note, I don't really have anything for or against people like Ray or Wes or the others, if I really did then I have all of their addresses including that little hider Ray's. It's nothing personal, I'm just tired of their immature lies and denial about their blatent and public lies. But these people walk around in constant fear and you can sense it from a mile away when they charge for documents that are not theirs to begin with. Stop bein scared motherfuckers.
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"On a more sane note, I don't really have anything for or against people like Ray or Wes or the others, if I really did then I have all of their addresses including that little hider Ray's. It's nothing personal, I'm just tired of their immature lies and denial about their blatent and public lies. But these people walk around in constant fear and you can sense it from a mile away when they charge for documents that are not theirs to begin with. Stop bein scared motherfuckers."
The fog clears....
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Okay, ms. stinky pussy pedophile... so you know what happened at Straight and ALL of the directors and all of the fucking staff members at all places WITHOUT Fagger & Ray's assistance and their bloody documents? riiiiiiiiiitte...
Thanks for the post, pedophile. I said you'd come out of hiding at the start of this post. You'll always climb from under your rocks when you smell juveniles or the mention of them. Keep proving my point. Where are you friends?
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bump. this one is going to stay at the top for some time.
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On 2005-11-18 15:15:00, JMA wrote:
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"On a more sane note, I don't really have anything for or against people like Ray or Wes or the others, if I really did then I have all of their addresses including that little hider Ray's. It's nothing personal, I'm just tired of their immature lies and denial about their blatent and public lies. But these people walk around in constant fear and you can sense it from a mile away when they charge for documents that are not theirs to begin with. Stop bein scared motherfuckers."
The fog clears.... "
The fog thickens.
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And by the by, where the fuck is that little shit Luke Riffle. Man, I bet he feels like a real failure to his dead brother. What a pussy that guy must be.
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On 2005-11-17 20:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do you really know what the fuck happened at Straight?!?
because I was there. I saw Newt personally abuse kids and I saw staff (both exec adn Jr. adn Sr. abuse kids at his direction)
You got people like Richard Bradbury and Wes Fager who won't give out how they get their fucking information and they are loathe to offer community property. If they really and truly have old documents that are available, those should be made available to every survivor.
Well, nowadays it's getting more and more difficult to tell the difference between a survivor and someone else (namely b/c of you and about 1 or 2 others like you). I don't blame him for not giving them out. The may very well be the Ace up his sleeve.
I for one couldn't give a shit about an old crony like Fager, now could I care less about a hack like Bberry other than if they have documents that are the rightful property of the people they claim to be 'fighting for'.
Well, then quitcher bitching about it.
I originally asked them nicely to see about giving me some of the applications and documents that hold people accountable for their deeds at Straight and those two pieces of shit asked me for money strate up! Same goes with Marti Heath that old pedophilic bag....
These people have spent their own time and money to gather this info. Some have had financial harships b/c of it. I don't see a real problem with charging a nominal fee.
and even if you do have money there is no guarantee they'll give you what is asked for.
Where are you getting this from? Any sources who have asked for things, paid for them and not received them?
I'm telling you these people are liars and they are Pro Straight.
AGAIN.....PLEASE name just ONE thing I've done or said that could be construed as 'pro-Straight'...or anything that i've lied about for that matter. PLEASE!!! You keep saying I'm a liar, pedophile, Semblerite etc. PLEASE, PLEASE give details. I'd LOVE to hear them just for shits and giggles.
You'll know the ones who will now say, directly after this post, slanderous comments and not even pay attention to what is really being said in truth
I thikn I've been fairly polite in this post to you. You make take issue with the fact that I'm challenging you to come up with anything to backup your claims, but that's your problem, not mine.
they'll deny it by their falseness and fallacies. Watch them come now. Those who are liars here will now deny the truth by attacking the original postor, so let's have it liars. Come on pussy, let's see those lies. Let's see those fallacies and lies.
Jeebus this gets tiring. See my above response. Prove what I've lied about or that I've 'worked' for the Semblers.
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So stop by anytime to my hood, I got a old crowbar for yer fuckin child abusin asses! You can have your money when you come over.
Just give me the address, I'll be there. You can even PM me if you don't want it put out here.
Watch these pussies deny they charge money for documents that don't exist. That's right, fuck you Marti Heath you pedophile,
Again, prove it. I can say pretty much anything I want about people but if I don'thave the facts to back it up, i wouldn't be taken very seriouly.
That's right bitch, I said crowbar and I called YOU a pedophile. There's not a Fucking thing you can do about it either - except whine some more and keep on lieing and eventually die
Is that a threat or are you just talking out your ass again?
When Michael Sherman was asked why he lied about Morgan, Collin, and Gilbert being able to fully get around all statute of limitations - his only reply was "That's what I was told". He was then asked who told him that to which he replied that it was not the attorneys but he could not tell me 'whom' it was.
So call them yourself and ask. That's the same answer that I got. Statute of limitations and MGC is NOT known for digging and fighting for what's right. It costs them to much money. They're too busy hawking their ambulance/hospital/nursing home business, which incidentally is quite lucrative so why would a lawfirm like that[/b] be so inclined to take on a a pro-bono case that is going to involve an incredible amount of research when they could be using that time creating billable hours?
You would believe people who all tell the same formatted and memorized stories about rape, all their brother's heads being put through walls on or around the same dates, and more lies about child abuse that can IN NO WAY be verified except by those .....
lemme fix that for ya "except for those that were there when that shit happened?"
Or do you believe what your gut has been telling you since you've been coming here - these people are liars and they advocate child abuse and that these people are still brainwashed and in denial and approve of lieing for the cause of pedophilia?
OK, once AGAIN. When did I lie and where in the hell do you get that I advocate child abuse. Pedophilia??? That's a serious charge. Care to explain that one too? Doubt it, you'll just keep sshouting from the hilltops "they're child abusers. I have no proof, but trust me they are". Come up with some evidence and people might begin to take you a little more seriously.
Go ahead and edit this post, Ginger Warbis, you're a pedophile too you story-changing red necked bare foot mountain climbing hee haw looking corn pone biatch who can't decide whether or not she was in Straight Inc. When you do edit this post you are doing it because you are a pedophile and you are still in denial and you are still cult-brainwashed. Edit now. Or not, child fucker that you are.
Wow. You're definition and Webster's of a pedophile is very, very different.
Webster's: "Main Entry: pe·do·phil·ia
Pronunciation: "pE-d&-'fi-lE-&
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object.
Yours: When you do edit this post you are doing it because you are a pedophile.
Editing post (which she never does) is now considered pedophilia??? Watch out all forums, the sex police are coming to get you. :eek: :lol:
As for the rest of you pedophiles that come here, well more power to you. Your day is coming soon, too. So keep posting your lies, your dreams of a mad world gone pedophile and get back to me here real soon. I know you will. In the meantime, I welcome you to report this to the authorities, your family members, and bring out the medcart and the rest of your lies and slander. That's what pedophiles and liars do; deny."
Damn. You really need to brush up on your vocabulary skills. Might I suggest starting here: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pedophilia (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/pedophilia)
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. For when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you.
--Nietzsche
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St. Pete Straight
early 80s
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When Michael Sherman was asked why he lied about Morgan, Collin, and Gilbert being able to fully get around all statute of limitations - his only reply was "That's what I was told". He was then asked who told him that to which he replied that it was not the attorneys but he could not tell me 'whom' it was.
Or maybe they couldn't find all of the following:
- A target defendant with deep enough pockets who could be legally proven to be responsible for the charges
- Credible plaintiffs who they can trust will not go off spouting a bunch of unfounded, crazy sounding conspiracies in public or on the stand (like, say, for example, the whole world works for Straight, especially the critics)
- Proper venue and jurisdiction
- Something else.
Dude, they were just being polite. They cited the statute so they didn't have to explain that they can't represent us because so many of us are blathering fools or obvious lunatics.
Hey, I'm not a lawyer. But I have asked a good many of them for an opinion on this. So far, none have found a way to make this case pay. And that is the bottom line as far as using litigation to solve this problem.
I'm always open to new opinions, maybe something will change or a really brilliant lawyer will spot something everyone else has missed. But I'm not holding my breath. We have another estate of government in this country, the IVth Estate. Read up on it. It's core to what I was raised to believe is our proud national character.
That's where I'm headed. You're as welcome as anybody to do the same or something completely different. All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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On 2005-11-19 11:05:00, Antigen wrote:
"so many of us are blathering fools or obvious lunatics."
You worry about this site being a decent place for reporters and the like to check into, then make such a categorical statement? I guess anyone who heard the Mark Levine show should just dismiss the child abuse people talked about as the hallucinations of "blathering fools or obvious lunatics". I guess Straight never happened, children never got hurt, no one is "broken" or if they are they should not talk about it, everyone is fine and moved on and we shouldn't be sick about being medical research subjects or subjects of money-making thought reform practices.
You get on here and complain about conspiracies and spam whenever there is a hot news topic, but you spam it up whenever anyone talks about lawsuits, PTSD suffering, and being mistreated by other survivors who have documents and information and won't give them up.
Go on ahead with your hallucinations that the reason we don't have a lawsuit is that we are "blathering fools or obvious lunatics." We will ignore that you are blaming the abuse victims for the abuse, victims do that sometimes.
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I think the blathering fools and idiots are the resident trolls that are constantly accusing people of working for hte Semblers
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On 2005-11-19 11:24:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
Go on ahead with your hallucinations that the reason we don't have a lawsuit is that we are "blathering fools or obvious lunatics." We will ignore that you are blaming the abuse victims for the abuse, victims do that sometimes.
Sorry, but facts is facts. I've heard the same thing from several lawyers who I've asked. Not that there's not a case or that they (the lawyers) don't believe us. Just that, in their professional opinions, it would be fool hearty to put most Program victims or their crazy assed parents under depo or on the stand.
The more compassionate among them also note that it would be cruel beyond telling to get our hopes up by initiating such a case when they know full well there's slim chance of success. The more predatory among them have been known to take substantial retainers knowing full well that there's no chance of winning.
But that's the legal arena for ya. And, for all it's faults, that's the way it should be. We should not be able to bring force of law against anybody unless we can prove their guilt beyond reasonable doubt to a jury of our peers.
The IVth Estate, the media (now with spontanious independent watchdog service thanks to the bloggers) is a completely different ball game. There we have time and space for everybody with an opinion to weigh in. Each reader gets to decide for themselves what to make of it. And I'm convinced (for a lot of reasons) that if we can just get this issue in all of it's implications out there into the public dialog, we win because we're right.
If I am of the opinion that it is inexpedient to assign to the government the task of operating railroads, hotels, or mines, I am not an "enemy of the state" any more than I can be called an enemy of sulfuric acid because I am of the opinion that, useful though it may be for many purposes, it is not suitable either for drinking, or for washing one's hands.
Ludwig Von Mises
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On 2005-11-18 19:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The fog thickens."
:smile:
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Hmmn. Interesting. For so long, it's been Statutes of Limitations. Now it is because we are blathering fools and idiots. This is a new development. An brand new Fact, presented here on fornits, Today, November 19, 2005. A special day for the child abused to be ashamed of themselves when discover that they are, once again, the reason that they were child abused, and they are also, themselves, the reason they still get no justice. Blathering fools and lunatics. Have a seat, every last one of you.
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Jeebus this gets tiring.
Yes, it DOES. :evil:
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On 2005-11-19 17:55:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
"Hmmn. Interesting. For so long, it's been Statutes of Limitations. Now it is because we are blathering fools and idiots. This is a new development. An brand new Fact, presented here on fornits, Today, November 19, 2005.
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Wrong again. Thats' been happenind since we got out of there. As soon as someone hears back then that we were in a "rehab" (or for that matter now) the tune out everything else we say.
You're looking for the ONE thing you can blame this on. There's not just one thing, it was a logn chain of many, many things. There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is
proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in
everlasting ignorance- that principle is contempt prior to investigation.
--Herbert Spencer
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Like I said, have a seat. Every last one of you.
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there is just TOO much evidence that shows that people like Bradbury and others who hang out with Bradbury are still working for Straigth Incorporated.
Why does Bradbury and his fuckbuddy Wes Fager charge money for documents that they don't have?
Why do "survivors" format and copy one another's stories and then regurtitate them like the head through the wall bit?
Why do people come on here and claim they were raped and then not do anything about it when there are not limitation statutes on federal offenses?
Why so many exxagerations?
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Let's see the evidence. Gimme some o' dat evidence. Prove to me Bradbury's working for Sembler and I'll drive to Tampa and bitchslap him.
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Alright. Ask Wes or Richard to send you even some piece of the private documentation they got from B&E. Hell, ask Marti Heath that mustache wearing dyke. Ask them to send you some pertinent docs actually, and ask them to do it without pay. You have five days to do so. And when you do ask them, it has to be documents like the application for intake from Straight, something very private and important that we all know they don't have a fucking exists or not.
Now, you have promised to slap the fucking holy living shit out of Richard Bradbury, when you post back stating that they expected pay or have not responded in five days from today (11/21/05), I have Bradbury's home address. I will be expecting you to show up there and knock the fuck outta that hat wearin' pansy pedophile. That hero is no hero.
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Charging for documents is your 'evidence'? Why should they do anything for free? Because you said so?
Case vs. Bradbury dismissed due to lack of evidence.
Get your sorry ass outta my courtroom.
Quit being such a whiney bitch and go slap him yourself.
Moron.
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On 2005-11-21 08:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Alright. Ask Wes or Richard to send you even some piece of the private documentation they got from B&E. Hell, ask Marti Heath that mustache wearing dyke. Ask them to send you some pertinent docs actually, and ask them to do it without pay. You have five days to do so. And when you do ask them, it has to be documents like the application for intake from Straight, something very private and important that we all know they don't have a fucking exists or not.
Now, you have promised to slap the fucking holy living shit out of Richard Bradbury, when you post back stating that they expected pay or have not responded in five days from today (11/21/05), I have Bradbury's home address. I will be expecting you to show up there and knock the fuck outta that hat wearin' pansy pedophile. That hero is no hero."
You seem to know so much about this 'EVIDENCE', so why dont' YOU tell us and then we can go ask Marti and Richard.
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On 2005-11-21 10:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-21 08:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Alright. Ask Wes or Richard to send you even some piece of the private documentation they got from B&E. Hell, ask Marti Heath that mustache wearing dyke. Ask them to send you some pertinent docs actually, and ask them to do it without pay. You have five days to do so. And when you do ask them, it has to be documents like the application for intake from Straight, something very private and important that we all know they don't have a fucking exists or not.
Now, you have promised to slap the fucking holy living shit out of Richard Bradbury, when you post back stating that they expected pay or have not responded in five days from today (11/21/05), I have Bradbury's home address. I will be expecting you to show up there and knock the fuck outta that hat wearin' pansy pedophile. That hero is no hero."
You seem to know so much about this 'EVIDENCE', so why dont' YOU tell us and then we can go ask Marti and Richard."
Day one has passed. Four days left and then I want to record you slapping the motherfucking head offa Richard the lieing pedophile. This is my chance to finally prove you frauds as the frauds you are!!! Loadsa fun. Oh, and don't forget to paste the fake docs up on this forum when you crank them out.
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Day two has passed. Are you visualizing the slam dunk hit you're going to lay on Ray ? I can't wait. I'll ask you some questions about how it was to beat the fuck outta that little pansy after you do it. Any luck on those paid docs yet?
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yawn
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Day three has passed, and day four is upon us. One more day you pedophiles. A pedophile slapping the fucking turkey out of another one. This will be priceless.
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I'd pay a quarter to see it.
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On 2005-11-21 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is just TOO much evidence that shows that people like Bradbury and others who hang out with Bradbury are still working for Straigth Incorporated.
WHAT EVIDENCE????????????????????
Why does Bradbury and his fuckbuddy Wes Fager charge money for documents that they don't have?
THey have them but why shouldn't they charge a nominal fee for copies and their time taken from work etc.?
Why do "survivors" format and copy one another's stories and then regurtitate them like the head through the wall bit?
I personally witnessed about 5 kids heads beingn put thru a wall.
Why do people come on here and claim they were raped and then not do anything about it when there are not limitation statutes on federal offenses?
Have you ever been through a rape trial??? Didin't think so. They're worse than the damn rape itself. I don't blame her at all. Apparently you do and you've made that abundantly clear now.
Why so many exxagerations?"
LIke what???It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.
--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association
[ This Message was edited by: Cayo Hueso on 2005-11-24 10:57 ]
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Can't we have one day go by without this bullshit? :evil:
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Sorry, I forgot to say that I got nothing bad to say on Luke Riffle here, I don't even know why his name is on this thread other than some folks gots ants in their pants for the film to get done. Maybe if they want the film to get done, they should ask G to change the name of this thread and take out the vile slander. What if some financial backer looked stuff up on the internet and found this thread? They would not realize that this is the hardcore V.A., buncha nuts around here, such a bizarre world in fact, that a few of us now read "pedophile" as "person who with all integrity loves children and works to tell this story to people about how children got hurt, so the bad guys get locked up where they can't hurt anybody anymore". I think that is really what the Original Poster might have meant. Because they just get frustrated that the storytellers are not telling the story the right way, or at all. Or something else is off. Well I don't know, they likely have some legitimate complaints regarding documents - although I personally have no knowledge that Mr. Riffle is connected with any of this document business - and certainly likely complaints about how some stories come out. Or something.
This story telling is very important work. People are NOT safe from the particular child abusers who abused us. Margolis and Sembler are in the news for abusive facilities, again, 2005, new crimes. I said lock them up.
I would like to add a special thank you to all those who research and publish the corruption and child abuse so we can see that the child abusers got off scot free and are still hurting children. I would also like to thank everyone who ever helped get a news story or video clip or other creative project to press.
I would like to thank the O.P. for using bizarre tactics to point out that, er, some people should get busy. All in good fun. Thanks buddy.
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On 2005-11-24 10:56:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
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On 2005-11-21 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is just TOO much evidence that shows that people like Bradbury and others who hang out with Bradbury are still working for Straigth Incorporated.
WHAT EVIDENCE????????????????????
Why does Bradbury and his fuckbuddy Wes Fager charge money for documents that they don't have?
THey have them but why shouldn't they charge a nominal fee for copies and their time taken from work etc.?
Why do "survivors" format and copy one another's stories and then regurtitate them like the head through the wall bit?
I personally witnessed about 5 kids heads beingn put thru a wall.
Why do people come on here and claim they were raped and then not do anything about it when there are not limitation statutes on federal offenses?
Have you ever been through a rape trial??? Didin't think so. They're worse than the damn rape itself. I don't blame her at all. Apparently you do and you've made that abundantly clear now.
Why so many exxagerations?"
LIke what???It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.
--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association
[ This Message was edited by: Cayo Hueso on 2005-11-24 10:57 ]"
Shut the fuck up Kim Montello, you Pro Straight little twerp. You advocate Straight so stop whining like you don't got a pair to come on here and whine. Fucking ugly little runt that yar why don't you just realize that your life is over and you can die now, you are worthless as a pedophile and you always will be, just like all your little friends.
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On 2005-11-24 17:33:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to say that I got nothing bad to say on Luke Riffle here, I don't even know why his name is on this thread other than some folks gots ants in their pants for the film to get done.
Because, so far, his project has stalled. In all liklihood, it has stalled, in part, due to bad publicity turning up here in google search results. And now the people scripting and delivering that bad pub are trying to make something of that project's troubled waters. Or maybe they're just gloating.
Who knows? This is spy vs spy shit right here.
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
--Thomas Jefferson
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On 2005-11-24 19:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
Shut the fuck up Kim Montello, you Pro Straight little twerp. You advocate Straight so stop whining like you don't got a pair to come on here and whine. Fucking ugly little runt that yar why don't you just realize that your life is over and you can die now, you are worthless as a pedophile and you always will be, just like all your little friends."
Get my name right at least dickwad! :lol: :lol: Our country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experimanet, noble in motive and far-reaching in purpose. [The Eighteenth Amendment, enacting Prohibition.]
Letter to Senator W.H. Borah
--Herbert Hoover (Feb 28, 1928)
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On 2005-11-24 12:08:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Can't we have one day go by without this bullshit? :evil:"
I keep telling him to leave me alone and I'll be glad to leave him alone. I just don't like it when my name is dragged into conversations I havent' even taken part in, not to mention being called a pedophile. When you were abused by one as a kid it ends up with a special kind of hurt.
This is getting so bad that my husband is seriously looking into doing something about it.Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
--Mohandas K. Gandhi
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PM me, I think I might know who like their message board to fill up with spam and slander and watch it foment. Someone who is into composting and doesn't mind a buncha horse shit and lies to get mixed in with everything. Composting, now that is some serious back-to-nature stuff. You can put in all kinds of things, shit and rotten little side dishes and the spam off people's plates, and it all turns out to be holy dirt in the end. If it gets stinky in the meantime, it just needs turning and it needs air.
Funny thing, believe it or not, lots of animals will come and get what is in the compost. If you hear something at 2am and go out with a flashlight you might catch the shiny eyes of a raccoon settin up gnawing on a corncob or the like. Compost attracts animals, that's why you have to put up a grate, or else they come down and sit around and stuff themselves and steal stuff. Then they tell their friends about it. Soon you gotta buncha feral cats, coydogs, coons, possums & what have you all socializing on the compost heap, turning it up and stinking up the neighborhood. Not to mention driving the farm dogs nuts so nobody can get any sleep.
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How am I supposed to PM someone who is Anon?
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On 2005-11-25 08:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"PM me, I think I might know who like their message board to fill up with spam and slander and watch it foment.
Ok, again, I ask you, exactly how do you think I should decide what's true and what's bullshit? Then what means of coercion should I used to kee you people in line, once I've decided for you how you should behave, that is.
Listen, folks, I'm not yo mama! I don't decide what you should be allowed to read or write or what you should say or believe. You're all grown up now. You'll have to handle this all on your own.
God, some people are just SO averse to a little liberty!I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't
agree with each other, but that's OK. If this were a dictatorship, it
would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.
--GW Büsh, CNN.com, December 18, 2000
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Liberty and Composting for All, that's what I say. Town folk don't like stinky compost, the wives complain, the husbands come around asking who put the old spam in the pile. But me, I'm a country girl. If the heap gets stinky, I don't go around the farm asking "who put their stinky shit in the compost?" You gotta compost heap, people can put just about anything in there. It all rots and gets turned back into dirt, right?
But say you woke up one day and it really stank, I know, my grandma wouldn't allow that. She'd send grandpop out to make a burn pile. Some shit, you really don't want your neighbors sniffing it out. Best just burn it up. Grandma won't even let us roast marshmallows over that or nothin.
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On 2005-11-21 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Why do people come on here and claim they were raped and then not do anything about it when there are not limitation statutes on federal offenses?
Why so many exxagerations?"
Anyone who says there is no statute of limitaion on federal offenses is ignorant. For one thing, rape is not a federal offense. It is usually prosecuted through state, not federal courts. Yes, it is a felony, but in the state of Florida, for instance, there is only one offense w/o limitations and that is capital murder. Rape, child abuse, etc. has a statute of limitation. That's why the pedophile priest case that was filed in Florida could not be prosecuted. But if anything like this happened in Boston, they may have a case. There is no standard criminal code for the entire USA. It is a state to state matter. Except of course in the where the state has legalized something that is against federal law, there federal gub-ment can prosecute where the state can't.
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Well, the analogy doesn't hold up. I had a compost pile first year up here. I do it right, on my own property for my own garden. Vegitative material only, no meat or dairy or animal product. However, we have a big vermin problem around here. And so it is absolutely necessary to build some kind of bin or barrel, which I haven't gotten around to doing. So I have no compost pile this year. Maybe next year. Who knows? I've been busy, but hopefully I'll have time for a proper garden again next spring.
But that's my property and my garden. This, on the other hand, is a public place. It's public for a damned good reason, I think. It's public and unmoderated so that nobody, not me or anybody else, gets to decide for another which stories are too outrageous to be believed. If you can't handle that, then this site is probably not what you're looking for.
There are plenty of other sources and "piles" of information on this and other topics that are retted and fact checked. Unfortunately, that process leaves out any true fact that cannot be proven to the satisfaction of the publishing agencies' legal departments. Journalism, done right, is hard work. Hosting an open forum is not. I'm not a journalist. I don't claim to be one. I invite any journalist w/ an interest in this issue to please use these forums to find leads to the verifiable facts they need. So, for example, if you saw Virgil drag a little girl around by the hair or something else, you can say that. No need to prove it or disprove it. People can believe you or not.
A journalist who wants to print that in a respectable publication would have to gather several credible wittnesses to coroborate the story. They can do that here, and they often do.
On another level, ppl who have been through these places recently or not can just compare notes and try to better understand wtf happened to them. I think that has value too. But it simply can't happen if I have to play gate keeper and to filter out anything I find hard to believe.
That's just not what this is about, darlin. I know there are inacurate statements here on all sides of any little issue. Obviously there are. Every time people disagree with each other on any point, well they can't both be right. Maybe none of them are in some instances. Like, for example, the outrageous statements people make about me. But here's the thing, I don't give a damn. I really don't. Them that knows me knows me well and all the rest can go to hell. If you believe I work for Straight or the Semblers or that I'm some kind of child abuser, you just don't know me. I'm fine with that, honestly.
Emotions rule the world; Is it any wonder that it's so mucked up?!
Bill Warbis
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Yeah, you're right. You gotta put the literal shit in a different pile, it rots different.
Here's the thing, you fairly well said that Riffle's film may be on the backburner because of absurd slander on fornits. I would like to hear from these film backers. I would like to see for myself the kind of stupid not intelligent rich person to avoid for any projects needing money backing. Please produce said persons for viewing, if they exist.
Maybe just get an old trash can for the compost? You can strap the lid on tight at night and also when you roll it around to mix it up.
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Hey, I'm just guessing. Film projects fall through for any number of reasons. But that one seems fairly obvious. Now, if anybody wants me to edit anon statements, same policy as ever. Just make the request through the same account as the posts were made so I know it's not someone else trying to shut you up.
Every man has a property in his own person.
This nobody has any right to but himself.
The labor of his body and the work of his
hands are properly his.
--John Locke
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On 2005-11-25 18:33:00, Antigen wrote:
"Hey, I'm just guessing. Film projects fall through for any number of reasons. But that one seems fairly obvious. Now, if anybody wants me to edit anon statements, same policy as ever. Just make the request through the same account as the posts were made so I know it's not someone else trying to shut you up.
Every man has a property in his own person.
This nobody has any right to but himself.
The labor of his body and the work of his
hands are properly his.
--John Locke
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Montello, you aint married. get real. Noone would marry you boney little busted out ass.
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On 2005-11-26 23:40:00, Anonymous
Montello, you aint married. get real. Noone would marry you boney little busted out ass."
Hey hey now. He loves my 'boney little busted out ass'. :lol: :lol: It is wrong to leave a stumbling stone in the road after it has tripped you.
Hands Out Light