Post by: Troll Control on November 17, 2005, 05:30:00 PM
Carry on, people. Carry on.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
She will soon slip out claiming something stupid about a project at work, or a sick child, or taking care of her TWO disabled family members.
She generally does this whenever she finds herself facing to many questions shed rather not answer.
I doubt we will see much more of her soon.
Of course shell come back in just to spew out her usual nonsense, get shocked when she has it thrown back at her, make a series of unverifibale nonsensical statements, or claim are facts concerning HLA are lies or rumors, and then again when faced with the challeneges scamper off in fear.
Even though shes beyond predicatable its still funny to watch her squirm under the hot lights.
Post by: Troll Control on November 17, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 17, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
Oh so you admit you do want to detract from the real issues concerning HLA? Thats not suprising Im sure your boss has a number of things hed prefer we didnt discuss and has ordered you to distract from.
"I don't know who that would fall under since Georgia laws are kind of vague on who is supposed to do what in the case of private facilities"
Mrs. Gray, you know this not to be true. I have never worked for HLA nor have I worked in a government capacity, yet I was able to find exactly what the situation was in a matter of a day or two of simple research. Again you assume everyone is as dumb as you. That just isnt the case.
" I never claimed to be an expert in georgia law but I do know that everybody in Lumpkin County Govt and with the board of education and with the health dept and with the state govt consider the school to be operating properly so if any of you think they arent I suppose you need to take that up with whoever polices that"
I see, can you offer up a numbers of people we could call from the govenor on down that considers the school to be operating properly. We could just drop your name and that should get our foot in the door right? I mean apparently you know every single one of these people and know their view points on HLA. I mean cause otherwise you would never make such an assinine comment correct?
"You all could be lying just as easily as you say I am, however, I am not lying and never have. "
Mrs. Gray why are we having this conversation again? You have shown yourself to be nothing but a liar. You claim youve never lied? Ill assume you mean on here, so lets just limit to that. A few weeks ago when your idiocy began shining through the post you were making where you claimed I was Devin, I called you on it and told you it was obvious the anonymous post was you.
You swore up and down it wasnt.
We ran the IP address and lo and behold look who it was....you.
Now in some parts of the world you denying the fact that you are you is considered a lie. Maybe Georgia is different, get back to me on it.
Furthermore youve lied numerous times concerning more important aspects of life at HLA. If you like Id be happy to provide you with more examples.
Also you forget yet again, we experienced the school. You did not as you had almost nothing to do with it. Stuffing envelopes does not make you in any way knowledgable of what really happened there. Espically since you bought into the brainwashing, in reality our testimony bears more weight than yours. You need to accept that.
" Anyway, this one is directed to Robert. Do you not realize what the entire intention of the posting of the name was? I have posted several names of kids I remembered from the school over these past 8 or 9 months, not that I knew who you were, or if you were Devin or how long Devin was at the school, that was all a guess, but I did know when you were there and thought of several students that would fit your personality type that was there around the same time, and I just wanted to see what you would do if you thought someone actually knew you, and the only one you got pissy about was Devin. Hmmmmm, wonder why. Seems you fell for it hook, line..........and sinker. "
Did I now? Please by all means post up the other names you have perscribed to me.
You havent.
The only other time you mentioned my identity was some time last spring. You bloviated and threatened that if I called you Mrs. Gray one more time that you would reveal my identity. I called your bluff and of course continued to call you Mrs. Gray you predicatably backed down from your claim ( i thought you said you never refused to answer anything) I then taunted you at length daring you to even reveal my initials, which of course you couldnt do although you still swore up and down you could. It was a short time later that you ran off in fear, again to many questions you didnt want to answer. Further you dont know exactly when I was there, but if youd like to post the dates by all means go ahead, trust me the best youll get is a ballpark, but you still wont know the dates for sure. So since the only name you ever perscribed to me was that of Devins, it would seem that your theory is once again....baseless. I found it funny that you were so sure of yourself yet again so wrong, but to be honest I also took issue with the staff of HLA still willing to break the law so long as it serves their own purpose. It just adds another thing to my list of justifications as to why it should be shut down, and makes our case that much stronger. So thanks bullfrog, you really did make things that much easier for us who are preparing our case against you.
Oh and one thing I find interesting. You claim you came to the concluscion that I was Devin based on the fact that we were both at HLA at roughly the same time (we werent I had never heard of him before your stupidity) and that he fit my personality type.
Yet earlier you claimed you had only met Devin briefly (something he claims never occured). So if you didnt really know him, how could you know anything about what kind of person he was?
Unless of course you got the information from the counsoler notes written in the student files.
Keep digging your own grave bullfrog, it only makes it easier and more entertaining. :grin:
Oh and also my question to about whether or not HLA is a theraputic school or not has more to do with your opinion than fact. We all learned you cant be trusted with facts months and months ago.
So head on back there and tell me your opinion is HLA a theraputic boarding school or a traditional boarding school?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 17, 2005, 10:15:00 PM
And once again because you are so dense, I did NOT have access to students files, and I did not get that name from anywhere other than my memory Damn you are slow aren't you.
You can threaten lawsuit and illegality until the cows come home Robert, I don't care because I know the truth. And the truth is what I already told you.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 11:19:00 PM
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On 2005-11-17 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The name Blaire ring a bell Robert? It was on the other board.
And once again because you are so dense, I did NOT have access to students files, and I did not get that name from anywhere other than my memory Damn you are slow aren't you.
You can threaten lawsuit and illegality until the cows come home Robert, I don't care because I know the truth. And the truth is what I already told you. "
Oh I see, so that was you? Except I asked you under that screen name if it was you and you said no. Yet you just said a moment ago you never lie.
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
Also you claimed earlier that you based the thought that I was Devin on the fact that we had similar personalities. Yet you also said you only met him briefly and he still claims he's never met you. So how would you have a basis for knowing what his personality was like if you only met him briefly once, and according to him not at all? So you either knew him very well, or not at all. If you knew him very well why doesnt he remember you? If you didnt know him how could you have compared our personalities?
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
Also youre claiming now you didnt have access to student files. Yet before you claimed you were respondsible for mailing out all of our progress reports.
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
You can use your circular nonsensical logic until those same cows come home, but it wont help you when it counts. You are going to have to explain your actions and your retarded bullshit explinations, Im afraid just wont hold up. The facts about you getting your information from an illegal source will come to light and you will suffer the consequences.
You know what might help things. Perhaps Ill talk to Devin again and see if I cant get him to come on here. Then perhaps you can tell him how you two were great friends and all, he just doesnt remember it somehow.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 11:26:00 PM
Its funny we dont have that same problem.
I guess we just arent as weak or cowardly as you are. But then neither are we as pathetic or as simple as you either.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 17, 2005, 11:31:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 17, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 11:56:00 PM
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On 2005-11-17 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"THat particular post you are talking about wasnt me. I mentioned the name Blaire earlier than that one and I guess the other person picked up on it. Or maybe they know the kid named Blaire. Either way if you want to search that IP too I certainly dont mind. But that particular post you are talking about where you asked me if that was me, wasnt."
Only one person ever claimed I was Blaire Mrs. Gray, no one else, no one else even discussed it, just that particular user name.
But explain this to me, you said earlier that you had dropped several other names claiming them to be me simply to gauge my reaction.
The only other name that was ever mentioned as being me by anyone (youre the only one who cares) was Blaire. So if youre saying now that wasnt you then you run into the problem again of having claimed that you dropped multiple names declaring them to be me, but in fact never did.
So either it was you and you lied when I told you I thought thats who it was, or youre lying now in stating that it wasnt you, because you dont want to get caught in the first lie. Or it really wasnt you in which youre lying by having claimed you mentioned several other students as possibly being me.
Was that to much for you Mrs. Gray?
To sum it up, either way youre a liar. Not that is new, youve been lying about stuff at HLA since the first day you posted but I just wanted to remind you.
Youre a liar.
Glad to see youre still avoiding the questions you dont like Susie. Keep up the good work.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 17, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
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On 2005-11-17 20:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, I did progress reports and no I didnt have or need access to the main files. I just stated in an earlier post that I gave that stuff to others to put on the files. Read back if your memory is that pathetic."
Are you seriously that stupid? I still have one of my progress reports from HLA in my case file. On it I have not only my academic standing but my counsoler report as well.
You did claim you had the all important task of stuffing envelopes with the said progress reports did you not?
Thus by being the one to mail them out you would have access to view said information and post said information illegally on a message board.
Dont try and blame your crimes on someone else. You had the reports, you put them in the mail, you saw them, you read them (again illegally) and you will be the one to suffer the consequences.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 18, 2005, 06:57:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on November 18, 2005, 10:09:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 18, 2005, 08:10:00 PM
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On 2005-11-18 03:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert are you really that stupid? I told you I did progress reports from October 1997 until July 1998. They were done on my home computer and the only info that was on it was grades. They probably changed the way they did them by the time you went there. And you werent there in 1997 or 1998"
You assume you know when I was at HLA.
You dont. Dont pretend otherwise.
Im confused on something though Mrs. Gray. Youre claiming now that you did all the progress reports from your own home. Yet earlier you stated you were on the campus every single day?
If you werent up there to work then why were you there?
Also how in all this leisure time you spent on campus did you manage to avoid coming into contact with any students? Since so few remember you at all this seems a valid question.
Also are you ignorant of the fact that anything you handled as paper work concerning our time at HLA would still be considered part of our student file? Are you really that dumb?
Also again thanks for ignoring the questions you dont like. It still reinforces my position.
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 18, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
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On 2005-11-18 17:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As entertaining as it is to watch the bantering between RB and Mrs. Gray...I have to say that she had nothing to do with my assumption that RB was in fact Blaire. The post is many months old and I find it fascinating that it was even resurrected. "
:grin: Yes I'm sure thats the case.
Riddle me this then if you want to play this game. Where did you get the assumption that I was this (guy or girl) Blaire?
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 09:05:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 09:21:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 18, 2005, 11:36:00 PM
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On 2005-11-18 18:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now who's playing a game? We have previously established Blaires gender in others posts. As this is a boring topic (and a repeat) I'll check in later on in the weekend. "
Again Im sure thats the case. :grin: :grin: :grin:
Whenever you feel like being honest you let me know.
Post by: Troll Control on November 19, 2005, 11:10:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 09:20:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 01:19:00 PM
You only try to find out in the vain hope that by doing so you can scare me off and keep me from telling the truth about HLA.
Ill be honest with you though, even if you did figure it out, it wouldnt change anything. Even if I Marty decides to jot off that letter to me tommrow Im still going to continue to bring up the same questions about HLA and make the same claims.
The reason of course being I can back up every single one of them, and ive got a lot less to lose then HLA does.
As to whether or not I know Blaire. I dont but what real difference would it make if I did? None.
Oh and Mrs. Gray, this only further soldifies my case that you are in fact a liar. Something you claimed you never do.
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 14:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are many interesting points to make regarding your last post. The first one being that you assume that I am attempting to stop you from raising questions about HLA. I can only guess that you are raising that argument because once again you assume that I am Mrs. Gray. Check your IP info and you will discover that I am by no means Mrs. Gray. For someone that has threatened the poor woman with legal action based in part upon an IP address, you don't seem to be breaking out your internet prowess right now. Quite frankly, I couldn't identify her if someone offered me a million bucks. That would be because we have never met. Another assumption is that I actually care who you are. :wave:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 06:53:00 PM
If on the other hand it is later revealed that the person discussing Blaire is a former staff member and his identity comes to light, then he to would be subject to the same consequences Mrs. Gray is going to be. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-11-20 15:54 ]
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 07:09:00 PM
Hidden Lake Academy is not subject to HIPPA laws. They are not a medical facility.
Employees during the time she was there did not sign or agree to any sort of privacy agreement.
Unless you have some sort of hard evidence that she got that information from a file you cannot prove she obtained it illegally. What evidence do you have that she got that name from a file?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 07:11:00 PM
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Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 08:41:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 16:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are two things you should consider Robert.
Hidden Lake Academy is not subject to HIPPA laws. They are not a medical facility.
Employees during the time she was there did not sign or agree to any sort of privacy agreement.
Unless you have some sort of hard evidence that she got that information from a file you cannot prove she obtained it illegally. What evidence do you have that she got that name from a file?
"
If they arent a medical facility then why do they accept medical insurance as payment?
Why also do they tell the ORS of GA they are a traditional boarding school, yet tell the parents/educational consultants they are a theraputic boarding school?
Also why do they stress confidentiality in reals among the students and claim doctor patient privledge with the counsolers?
"Employees during the time she was there did not sign or agree to any sort of privacy agreement. "
This makes absolute zero sense. No employee in a theraputic setting would be permited to discuss any information concerning any patient in any public forum whatsoever. This is not a new rule by any means, it has been part of standards and practices for the theraputic community for decades. Confidentiality is so closely guarded a doctor cannot reveal the details or even if a patient attended sessions unless ordered so by a court order, nor can they reveal information shared in closed doors unless the information concerns the patient has a desire to committ a felony or is planning on killing themselves.
Mrs. Gray broke this rule. There is no way around it.
"Unless you have some sort of hard evidence that she got that information from a file you cannot prove she obtained it illegally. What evidence do you have that she got that name from a file?"
The information did not need to nessecarily come from a file. Information she gained while employed there would also be a breach of confidentiality. However as it stands Mrs. Gray did either get the information from a file or another employee. She never knew the student in question. Apparently never even met him. Since that is the case where else could she have gotten the information?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What consequences? Civil? criminal? what kind of law did she break? If she indeed broke one? Misdemeanor? Felony? "
Both civil and criminal actually. She broke confidentiality statuets. Thus she is subject to those penalties, as well the student Devin can sue her in civil court for revealing on a public forum that he attended there. I dont know whether this is a felony or a misdomeaner, I would imagien a misdomeaner. Perhaps Dan can answer that question better.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 08:47:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Tim, Scott, Dan, Sarah, Allison. I'm sure I could spout off more names at random. Would I be subject to one law suit or several? Good luck in court as no last names were mentioned, nor a timeframe in which the student were there. Or another consideration might be that I read a book on baby names and decided to throw a few out there. Regardless, this is a stupid arguement because HLA does not fall under HIPPA. As for my relationship with Mrs. Gray, there isn't one. Boredom and my inquisitive nature at one point made me curious about your identity. However, the boredom quickly passed. "
I guess its a good thing for me then that Bullfrog did mention when Devin attended school there and for how long. :grin:
Answer my question about the insurance and why HLA claims they are two seperate things.
Also tell me boredom would cause you to pursue something you dont care about? Also explain to me again how you just happened to pop up right when she made mention of the situation, and how she knew about it if there is no relationship. Also if the boredom passed why are you back here?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 10:37:00 PM
Insurance companies have two seperate components to their coverage. If you look at your policy you will notice that mental health benefits are NOT covered under medical. More often than not, your mental health benefits are paid out by another company. For example, until recently magellan behavioral health covered the mental health claims for blue cross blue cross blue shield. As they are not a medical facility which would require skilled nursing, physicians, etc. they should not be able to bill for medical claims. Again, they do NOT fall under HIPPA.
As for Mrs. Gray. No offense to her... but I appear to be much smarter.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 20, 2005, 11:01:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 11:29:00 PM
I see so your memory is valid but his is not? Why is that Mrs. Gray? Why does your testimony carry more weight than his. I thought for sure you said something just a short time ago about being open to other peoples perspective. This doesnt seem very open now does it?
So how about it Mrs. Gray you cant both be right. You claim youve met, he says you havent. Either way youre still left with the question of how you had enough information about him to claim he and I had similar personalities. A question which you have yet to answer.
"And I published no information that would allow anybody to figure out which kid in the united states named Devon went to HLA"
You didnt? You stated a student named Devin attended HLA for three months at some point between 1997 and 1998.
To anyone who knows him but may not know he attended HLA this would seem to be enough information, would it not? Perhaps if they knew there was a gap in his schooling where he lived? Again you make assumptions about something you know nothing about.
"And you also dont know if in fact the name came from a file. I already told you I didnt have access to those files I didnt physically put the report cards in them. Damn you are dense as hell."
I thought you never got personal Mrs. Gray. So much anger in your heart. You did get the information from a file Susie. Irregardless of whether or not you physically touched the file you still had the information from the progress reports which in turn would be placed in the file. This is correct is it not?
"You have no proof I have done anything illegal or immoral because in fact, I have not. I remembered a kids name. Thats it. Let's say for example, I also remembered a kid named Brian. And a kid named Blaire. And a kid named Tiffany. And a kid named Tyler. So now what? They all sue me? How in the hell would anybody put anything personal with those first names?"
Oh but you released more then just a first name didnt you Mrs. Gray? You released when and for how long the student was at HLA. This is illegal as it is a breach of confidentiality. Why are you not understanding that?
" Once again Robert, you are wrong. There is no case, civil, criminal, or otherwise. There are no consequences."
I guess we will see wont we dummy?
" And if you are as smart as you claim, you will see that my IP addresses (I actually have 3) are not in the state of Georgia so I am in no way employed by HLA"
Oh but you are still in contact with one of their larger employees are you not? You do still go up there from time to time? I mean where will the kids be spending thanksgiving this year? With you at the lillypad, or with fatass at the all you can eat buffet? You cannot prove that youve never discussed HLA related material while on your little visits to get the monthly check, good luck trying though.
"So what. I am beginning to wonder if you don't have OCD, you seem absolutely fixated on this subject for no logical reason, unless, of course, you are in fact Devon. Hmmmmm makes one wonder doesn't it."
Where have I seen this before...hmmm an unlicensed hack making an unfounded diagnoses on a patient shes never seen and knows nothing about. Hmmmmm where was it. Oh yes thats right good ol HLA. The place where you dont need a doctor to diagnos anything, an ugly housewife will do.
Mrs. Gray Ive just determined you have AIDS. I dont need a basis for this, or to even see you get blood samples. Its just my gut feeling. You are okay with this method arent you?
No despite your retardation,and the fact as you point out, logic eludes you. Ive explained this point to you before. Im sure youd rather we didnt discuss your criminal behavior but thats not the way it works here. This is a forum for discussing the truths and realities about HLA and its employees. Not the propoganda youve been instructed to propogate. I am going to continue to focus on this issue until you run away in fear because it highlights things in our case. HLA believes it is above the law, as simple as that. Its going to discover the truth very soon.
Furthermore, Im wondering if in the event I was Devin (since you want to go down that road again) wouldnt I be in a position to tell you you were full of shit, and that Id never met you? What would your response be to that Susie? I'll tell you what, again since Im in contact with him and youve never spoken to him before in your life why dont you provide some sort of detail concerning Devin that you would have only gained from talking to him. See if you cant come up with something that could only come from something he told you about himself. Something you wouldnt know by seeing him.
Let me know if you can do that. Once you do (I doubt you will youre far to stupid and cowardly) ill bring it back to him and ask him about it. Im trying to convince him to come on here. Maybe youll be lucky and hell show up and put you in your place himself. He can join the club of all the rest of us who have done just that.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 17:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is in answer to your last post Robert. First of all, did I mention which months and years the kid went there? NO. I did say a number of months but that was a guess because I remembered that the kid wasn't there that long. So, this means what? Nothing, once again. "
Actually you did. You claimed he was there at roughly the same time I was (or at least when you think I was there :grin: ) between 1997-1998. You also stated he was there for three months. Now simply because youre a moron and apparently got the number of months wrong doesnt change the fact that you attempted to reveal that piece of information concerning him. Intent to committ a crime is still a crime Susie.
Still waiting for you to get back on that personality question Mrs. Gray.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Answer my question about the insurance and why HLA claims they are two seperate things.
Insurance companies have two seperate components to their coverage. If you look at your policy you will notice that mental health benefits are NOT covered under medical. More often than not, your mental health benefits are paid out by another company. For example, until recently magellan behavioral health covered the mental health claims for blue cross blue cross blue shield. As they are not a medical facility which would require skilled nursing, physicians, etc. they should not be able to bill for medical claims. Again, they do NOT fall under HIPPA.
As for Mrs. Gray. No offense to her... but I appear to be much smarter.
"
Everyone is a great deal smarter than ol Susie. Dont worry about offending her, shes to stupid to know the difference.
You arent really answering the question though, espically concerning why HLA claims to be both a theraputic boarding school and a traditional boarding school.
If HLA tuition can be paid even in part by insurance why then would it not fall under HIPPA. Correct me if Im wrong but you seem to be arguing that they should not be able to receive money from insurance companies as they arent not under HIPPA. If thats the case why then do they recieve that money?
Also even if they are not under HIPPA would not the same rules apply that apply to all therapist? Those pertaining to confidentiality?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 20, 2005, 11:49:00 PM
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On 2005-11-20 20:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have not answered this question yet because I havent had the time to do the research on what insurance companies cover what in the way of mental health, however, with my own personal policy at my place of work, our health insurance does cover not only mental health providers such as counselors or family therapists, it also covers such things as psychotrophic drugs, mental health facilities, and drug and alchohol treatment. These things are technically mental health but our health insurance company covers them with certain deductibles, and copays etc. I have no idea under what type of policy a place like HLA would be payable through an insurance company, but I have heard that some parents do get it paid for at least partially anyway so I guess it depends on what kind of insurance they have. I think if it was under my policy it probably would pay at least a portion since they have counselors and NA and AA classes etc."
Thank you Susie for again being dumb enough to reinforce my point.
If HLA recieves money from insurance companies why then are they not listed under HIPPA and why are they not listed with the state as being a Theraputic Boarding School?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 07:12:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 07:13:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 08:34:00 AM
Let me just dissect this goofy statement for you so you can understand something.
1) I do have a son with my ex husband who works at the school. However, I do not travel to Dahlonega to drop or pick up my son during visits with his father. I live too far away so we have a meeting place. I havent been to the town of Dahlonega in almost 2 yrs, when I had to move my father's things when he got ill and had to have the leg amputation. I live in a different state now.
2) You said how do you know I dont discuss this board with my ex? Well how do you know I do? Maybe its not that important during the few minutes I see him every 4-6 weeks or so.
3) No my son is not spending thanksgiving in Dahlonega this year.
4) I havent been on the HLA campus since early 2001.
5)Despite your fantasies of some sort of chummy relationship with my ex, we really don't like each other that much, so its not like I sit on the phone with him or anything. We discuss our son, family issues, vacation plans, and christmas presents, etc. Thats about it. He has a life, and I have a life, and they aren't entertwined.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert I just went back and looked at my posts about your claim that I mentioned some dates in that 3 month figure, which I never remembered doing because I don't remember specifically when that kid was there...I only know it was sometime during the first 3 yrs I was living on campus. And nowhere in my posts did I state those dates of 1997-1998. Those dates are when I was a parttime employee. "
You do realize youre only exaerbating your situation.
Here take a look.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=12691&forum=41&start=0)
In that post you claim that Devin and I were at HLA around the same time. You later attempt to claim you know when I was there (You dont), and you post dates.
Youre still forgetting Mrs. Gray, attempting to committ a crime but failing due to stupidity is still a crime.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 04:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Please post the website where Georgia lists Therapeutic Boarding Schools so we can see for ourselves."
The person youd want to speak with is Caroline Winste here's her email address. She works for ORS.
CSWINSTE@dhr.state.ga.us
Im sure if you drop her a line shed be happy to explain the issue to you further since youre apparently not capable of looking up the information yourself, and I of course dont care to do it for you since the only reason you arent doing it is because youre lazy.
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 03:06:00 PM
2) why do you defend a school so much that you have no association with that you claim time and time again
3) how does it feel to know you are routinely outsmarted and proven wrong defending this school?
4) how does it also feel to breach an AMA patient confidentiality clause
- "..at no time may any employee of any facility that is in charge of the physical or mental care of a patient divulge any information about reason for admittance, occurences during stay, length of stay, or any information garnered from any file that has to do with patient information. This includes medical records, as well as psychiatric records..."
argue with the american medical association you fucking fat cow
dan pg26
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 04:02:00 PM
http://www.theraputicboardingschool.com ... eorgia.jsp (http://www.theraputicboardingschool.com/Therapeutic-Boarding-Schools-Georgia.jsp)
Look who is at the top of the list
I asked the people behind the website how they determine who goes on the list. I was told that they approach the schools in question and thouroughly research them to make sure they are in fact a theraputic boarding school, and make sure the school wants to be listed as such.
Now why would HLA advertise as something they claim to the state they arent?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 05:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Oh but you are still in contact with one of their larger employees are you not? You do still go up there from time to time? I mean where will the kids be spending thanksgiving this year? With you at the lillypad, or with fatass at the all you can eat buffet? You cannot prove that youve never discussed HLA related material while on your little visits to get the monthly check, good luck trying though."
Let me just dissect this goofy statement for you so you can understand something.
1) I do have a son with my ex husband who works at the school. However, I do not travel to Dahlonega to drop or pick up my son during visits with his father. I live too far away so we have a meeting place. I havent been to the town of Dahlonega in almost 2 yrs, when I had to move my father's things when he got ill and had to have the leg amputation. I live in a different state now.
2) You said how do you know I dont discuss this board with my ex? Well how do you know I do? Maybe its not that important during the few minutes I see him every 4-6 weeks or so.
3) No my son is not spending thanksgiving in Dahlonega this year.
4) I havent been on the HLA campus since early 2001.
5)Despite your fantasies of some sort of chummy relationship with my ex, we really don't like each other that much, so its not like I sit on the phone with him or anything. We discuss our son, family issues, vacation plans, and christmas presents, etc. Thats about it. He has a life, and I have a life, and they aren't entertwined.
"
No one cares about your relationship with ol Fatass.
The fact remains that you are in contact with a high level employee of HLA. There is nothing you can do to dispute that fact.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
My argument exactly. Mrs. Gray broke this "agreement" by posting information concerning a former student at HLA.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 11:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In answer to your other question about HLA's Traditional vs. Therapeutic Boarding School status. I think it is related to just that... status. Most folks would probably put more faith (and money) in a traditional school program. Clearly, they are operating what most of us would consider a therapeutic program. "
Clearly. As well they tell parents, educational consultants, and advertise as a theraputic boarding school. Yet tell the state they are a traditional boarding school. Is this ethical?
Mrs. Gray?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 04:10:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 12:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"1) mrs gray, how does it feel knowing that not even a fat man such as bill gray would be desperate enough to put up with you?
2) why do you defend a school so much that you have no association with that you claim time and time again
3) how does it feel to know you are routinely outsmarted and proven wrong defending this school?
4) how does it also feel to breach an AMA patient confidentiality clause
- "..at no time may any employee of any facility that is in charge of the physical or mental care of a patient divulge any information about reason for admittance, occurences during stay, length of stay, or any information garnered from any file that has to do with patient information. This includes medical records, as well as psychiatric records..."
argue with the american medical association you fucking fat cow
dan pg26"
and that will probably be the end of Mrs. Gray for awhile.
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#148885 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12693&forum=41&start=#148885)
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 05:20:00 PM
1)"1) mrs gray, how does it feel knowing that not even a fat man such as bill gray would be desperate enough to put up with you?"
What makes you think it wasnt me that couldnt put up with him?
2) "2) why do you defend a school so much that you have no association with that you claim time and time again"
I defend it because I see lies and half truths and vicious attacks on people who are posting the truth. And things that have been said about my son's father that are slanderous and totally untrue. I defend it because of my son's relationship with his father and for what I know about being associated with the school for 7 years.
3) "3) how does it feel to know you are routinely outsmarted and proven wrong defending this school?"
I am not "routinely" proven wrong, I have people twisting what I say into whatever they want it to mean. I have stated time and time again what my experiences are and been called a liar for I know to be truth. I dont "FEEL" anything other than sorry for some people on here.
4) "4) how does it also feel to breach an AMA patient confidentiality clause"
I haven't breached anything. Period. I havent posted anything confidential nor have I obtained anything from a file.
5) "..at no time may any employee of any facility that is in charge of the physical or mental care of a patient divulge any information about reason for admittance, occurences during stay, length of stay, or any information garnered from any file that has to do with patient information. This includes medical records, as well as psychiatric records..."
NOtice it says reason for admittance, I dont know that info, notice it says occurances during stay, I dont know that either. Length of stay, I dont know exactly, 3 months was a guess. And since I dont have access to files I didnt get anything "garnered from a file". You are as dense as Robert I see.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
I see absolutely nowhere in this thread that you posted where I said when Devon attended. Nowhere. You know why? Because I dont know precisely.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 14:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert do you not see for yourself that If I in fact dont know when specifically you were there that there is no way to determine when precisely Devon was there either? I did not post any specific dates. And 3 months was a guess. As far as confidentiality clauses, A, I never signed one, B, The HIPPA laws werent in effect back then, and C, once again for you dense ones, I did NOT garner any information from any file. But you keep on going on and on about that. A first name and an assumed number of months is not personal or confidential information. But feel free to live out your little fantasy if that is what blows your skirt up. And by the way Robert, I posted that thing about my relationship with my ex because you keep on posting that somehow I have access to the school, which in fact, I have NONE. THat is the only reason that I posted that. "
Mrs. Gray why is this so confusing to you?
You posted that Devin had attended the same time I did in the three years you were living on campus. You also claimed he attended the school for three months. You also claimed you knew enough about his personality to know that he and I are similar.
All things with the exception of the last one that are illegal to post. Did you not just see Dans post? Its straight from the AMA. Like he said are you going to argue with them?
Think about it like this, say you were a receptionist at a psychartist office and you knew of a patient who attended sessions there.
If you sometime later no longer worked there yet revealed to someone that a person named John was there and saw the doctor for three months in 1998 you would be breaching confidentiality laws. It does not matter what you signed, you agreed to those clauses simply by working there to begin with. I find it puzzeling that you would even argue a signature is nessecary for an agreement to be in effect. After all we never agreed to anything at HLA yet we were bound to keep certian ones were we not?
You released personal information about someone that you had no right to release. Are you really that stupid that you cant understand that?
A first name is personal.
A length of stay is personal.
A time period is personal.
Why are you confused on that point? Those laws have always been there HIPPA or not.
Also Im still waiting on you to explain how you would have enough information concerning his personality since you never actually knew him.
But again youre far to much a coward to ever answer that question because it reveals the truth about you. The fact that you never knew him to begin with and got the information from a file and an employee.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 05:30:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 05:36:00 PM
What makes you think it wasnt me that couldnt put up with him? "
Because no one with half a brain could stay married to you.
"I defend it because I see lies and half truths and vicious attacks on people who are posting the truth. And things that have been said about my son's father that are slanderous and totally untrue. I defend it because of my son's relationship with his father and for what I know about being associated with the school for 7 years. "
Which lies? Which half truths? List them off specifically. On the other hand you have lied repeatedly about the school and Id be happy to list off a number of them for you if you feel like being put to shame. Also what slanderous things have we said concerning Fatass? First off its libel, secondly it has to be a lie in order to be proven as such. Since we havent lied its not libel. As to what you know about the school, you have shown time and time again you really dont know much about it at all.
"I am not "routinely" proven wrong, I have people twisting what I say into whatever they want it to mean. I have stated time and time again what my experiences are and been called a liar for I know to be truth. I dont "FEEL" anything other than sorry for some people on here. "
Yes you are, thats why you have to pick and choose what questions you will and will not answer. Youre afraid of the ones you cant. You also seem stuck on the fact that youre limited experience with HLA is somehow the overall expereince we had. Since you had almost nothing to do with the school and had almost no involvement or association with the students or an even basic understanding of what was really happening its obvious that your testimony bears no weight on the reality of what was going on at the school.
Would you like to try and refute this?
"I haven't breached anything. Period. I havent posted anything confidential nor have I obtained anything from a file. "
You still want to claim revealing a students name and when he attended the school and for how long isnt a breach? Further if you didnt get the information from a file where did you get it from?
"NOtice it says reason for admittance, I dont know that info, notice it says occurances during stay, I dont know that either. Length of stay, I dont know exactly, 3 months was a guess. And since I dont have access to files I didnt get anything "garnered from a file". You are as dense as Robert I see"
Is he now? You released information garnered from a file or from someone else who did just that. You have no other means of knowing anything about the student.
Face facts Mrs. Gray.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 05:38:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12691&forum=41&start=46#148852
I see absolutely nowhere in this thread that you posted where I said when Devon attended. Nowhere. You know why? Because I dont know precisely. "
Thats because you posted the wrong link bullfrog. Use the link that I gave you and start reading, left to right one word at a time. Im sure you can find it. You claimed he and I attended at the same time. You later.....oh why do I bother, youre arent capable of recognizing the truth about yourself anyway.
Trust me though Susie, anyone who can read and has any degree of inteligence can see what you did, and knows it was illegal. Why dont you call Marty and ask him about it. See what he says.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
You cant possibly be this dumb can you? Maybe.
You claimed he and I were there at the same time.
You later claimed you knew when I was there and posted information concerning as much.
Alluding to information is the same thing as flat out saying it.
"ANd I gave out no personal information."
A name is personal information you stupid bullfrog. On top of all the other information you gave out.
" I have already spoken to an attorney , you have no case Robert."
If I have no case why did you bother speaking to an attorney? Get a little scared did you? Ill tell you what bullfrog, lets just for arguments sake say it wasnt illegal (it is) is it morally and ethical respondsbile for you to release information concerning a former student?
"for one, you arent Devon so you claim, so how could you sue me if you arent?"
No but he can, and I can include it in our upcoming class action.
"second, for a criminal case there has to be evidence, There is none since I didnt get anything from a file"
Then where did you get the information from? You had to have gotten it from somewhere. Mrs. Gray what will you do if I manage to convince Devin to come on this board and he states that not only has he never met you before in his life, but he was in fact only there for three months?
What will that do to your theory Mrs. Gray?
You better hope I cant get him to pursue the matter.
"There is none since I didnt get anything from a file. Robert this is getting old you are so blind with hatred for me you dont even see how ridiculous your argument is."
Actually there is plenty, and I dont hate you. Ive never even met you. I consider you to be a bloviating, moronic, coward who's not only beyond full of herself but has the worst case of tunnel vision and a nature which causes you to refuse to accept the truth on issues no matter how obvious it is. Aside from that, if my argument is so ridiculus why do I have so much more support than you and why are you the one on the defensive?
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
Yeh right. Apparently you enjoy it as much as he does or you'd end it.... by not responding !!!
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
hate to bust your balls yet again
but what you did is completely illegal. it doesnt matter if you didnt sign anything, you are involved in an industry covered by AMA guidelines. therefore, you have to listen to them.
you divulged information that is considered private. listing anyone's name for you is illegal. even as a former employee.
give me your address and full name please, because i think im going to persue this further until you stop posting here
yeah
thanks
dan
pg26
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Calling someone a child abuser who is not a child abuser is Libel or Slander any way you look at it Mr. Bruce. And Yes Mr. Gray can sue you for it. "
First she has to find out exactly who I am. Then excuse all the comments shes made.
Id love to countersue. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-12-23 11:30 ]
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 10:54:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 11:40:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 19:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That post said MR. Gray, Mr. Bruce. You called Mr. Gray a child abuser. He would be the one to sue you."
Hes welcome to as well. Same rules would apply, although to be honest with you it might be easier to prove issues on him than her.
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
say whatever you want mrs gray, but i hope you have a fantastic lawyer
i happen to come from a family of them
oh darn!
dan pg deuce mothafuckin seis
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 22, 2005, 08:05:00 PM
:silly:
Whatever Dan :roll:
Post by: TheWho on November 22, 2005, 08:13:00 PM
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On 2005-11-21 19:52:00, RobertBruce wrote:No, a person does not have to prove they are not a child abuser. You need to substantiate your accusations or they can sue you for your comments, sorry
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On 2005-11-21 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Calling someone a child abuser who is not a child abuser is Libel or Slander any way you look at it Mr. Bruce. And Yes Mr. Gray can sue you for it. "
First she has to find out exactly who I am, at which point she has to prove I said it. Then she has to prove she isnt a child abuser, and that she wasnt part of a system that did in fact abuse children. If she can do all that shes welcome to it.
Id love to countersue. "
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 24, 2005, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Now that that is done lets address the questions raised. If Billy wants to try and sue me he is more than welcome to take the gamble. However, in a libel case the burden of proof is on him, not me, either way if he does Im sure there are a number of secrets hed rather not have revealed in open court which would of course be.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 25, 2005, 05:00:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2005, 10:56:00 PM
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On 2005-11-25 14:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What secrets? Are these supposed secrets something you are aware of already? Or are you just taking a guess?"
Oh no not at all. Remember I was an inmate there for quite some time. I did suffer at the hands of it, and I do have quite the collection of not just my own but many other peoples horror stories to share.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 26, 2005, 09:38:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
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On 2005-11-26 06:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They were mentioning calling someone a child abuser when there is no proof. Are you saying you were personally abused by Mr. Gray? This thread was discussing calling him a child abuser, not the school in general. If you were not personally abused by Mr. Gray then you cannot call him an abuser. "
As I have said many times before. I can back up every single one of my claims against HLA. Every single one. This is of course in general terms.
However if youd like to post the link to individual claims I have made, Id be happy to address them one at a time.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 27, 2005, 08:49:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2005, 10:43:00 AM
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On 2005-11-27 05:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You say you have claims against Hidden Lake. How is Mr. Gray a child abuser? Did he abuse you in some way? I think the point being made is that if he did not abuse you personally than you cannot call him a child abuser. Just because he is employed at a school that you feel is abusive does not make someone an abuser. That is the same as accusing a receptionist at a doctors office of malpractice for something the doctor did during a surgery. You cannot specifically call every employee at the school a child abuser. You would have to accuse only those individuals that abused you for it not to be libel or slander."
Like I said post the link to where the comment was made and Ill address it, otherwise shut up about it and stop being such a whiney little cry baby. I stand by every comment Ive made and can back up every comment ive made. If you arent going to provide the link than that should be enough for you.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 27, 2005, 11:15:00 AM
Here is one of our comments referring to Mr. Gray as a child abuser. And as far as your comments here, these are your opinions only, you have no idea if he is directly responsible for these items or even if these things exist. Hence, you still cannot call him a child abuser from these things mentioned. You can still be sued.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2005, 11:43:00 AM
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On 2005-11-27 08:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
""As to your comments, Fat Bill was instrumental in a systematic and organized form of child abuse, he is a child abuser. Is that clear enough for you? I know for a fact that ol Fat Ass was directly respondsible for substandard living conditions (and only reemdied the situation when to many parents saw how bad things were) as well as numerous health violations, and a great deal of a lack of saftey for the inmates at HLA."
Here is one of our comments referring to Mr. Gray as a child abuser. And as far as your comments here, these are your opinions only, you have no idea if he is directly responsible for these items or even if these things exist. Hence, you still cannot call him a child abuser from these things mentioned. You can still be sued."
As I said before I can back up each and every one of my claims, and they are all based on fact. I have the proof nessecary to do so if need be.
Let me ask you though, how do you know who it is I am referring to?
Can you prove who Im talking about?
Lemme know cupcake and then tell me how youre going to sue me without knowing who I am or who Im talking about?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 27, 2005, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2005, 11:52:00 PM
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On 2005-11-27 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You said Mr. Gray is a child abuser. Well, tell me, what did he do to you personally? You said you have proof. Do you mean you have proof he personally did something to you? And if so, what is your proof? If you do not have proof, other than your opinion or statement, then yes, he can still sue you. He may already know who you are, or then again, maybe not. You never know."
Oh but I do, I have a little birdie that keeps me up to date on current events in house. Please post the quote in which I named that person you refer to. Oh and again since you apparently werent listening the first eight times I mentioned it. I can back up every single one of my claims, with proof.
Is that point sinking in yet?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 28, 2005, 06:49:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 07:33:00 AM
He claims the he was abused, that there were health violations, and all sorts of other stuff, but offers no proof. I say let him post the proof, where are the court documents, the comlaints. He has yet to back up any of his claims. I think he is full of crap. The only abuse that I saw was from the hands of students against other students.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 12:23:00 PM
I'll say it again since you still arent listening.
I CAN BACK UP EVERY CLAIM I HAVE EVER MADE ON HERE.
So any question you have that pops into your little mind where you say, "Hey what about the time you claimed..." Just cut yourself off right there....the answer is I have the proof I need.
I realize youre trying to bait me into revealing information or saying something that can be used against me. Unfortunatly for you, youre far to stupid to be able to pull it off.
Do you really think I would reveal that kind of information outside of a courtroom on a public forum? I understand youre that dumb but seriously you must have some common sense? Eh doubtfull. Everything Ive revealed to this point has been non specific, part of public record (i.e. the licensure issue) or an issue that we may not bring up later on.
Dont worry though, all information will be revealed when the time comes... Then you can have Marty ask me all the questions you like and I'll answer every single one.
You know whats funny is Im employing the same tactics Susie Bullfrog has used for months. You know not directly answering questions, playing with semantics that sort of thing, and youre getting frustrated. Yet you had no problem when the Bullfrog did the same thing....and did so out of cowardice no less, whereas I have a real reason for doing so.
I find that comical, I thought I'd point it out.
Hey Bullfrog do you think you claiming Devin was a pain in the ass could be considered libel?
Let me know. :grin:
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 12:31:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 04:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert is never going to give any proof to his claims. If he had any why doesn't he post it. All he makes is unfounded claims. He has nothing but an axe to grind, with no proof.
He claims the he was abused, that there were health violations, and all sorts of other stuff, but offers no proof. I say let him post the proof, where are the court documents, the comlaints. He has yet to back up any of his claims. I think he is full of crap. The only abuse that I saw was from the hands of students against other students."
Just for arguments sake Ive offered more proof on issues than Bullfrog ever did. Recall well the link to the woman at ORS proving that HLA is not listed or licensed as a theraputic boarding school, remember the link to the theraputic boarding school listing cite, showing that HLA does indeed advertise as such. Or how about the information posted from the health department discussing how HLA had recently failed an inspection in the cafeteria. Or the post in which I mentioned Jimsir physically attacking another student as a rebuttal to the claim that any staff member who ever touched a student was fired.
All of this proof I have offered.
Yet here I am still waiting on Mrs. Gray to post pictures about some imaginary sleigh ride she claims we all went on.
Its been months Susie where are they?
Please dont talk to me about offering proof, youll just get embarresed.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 12:45:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 03:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are avoiding the question. You called Mr. Gray a child abuser. Is he or is he not a child abuser? Answer the question. "
Also at what point did I call that person a child abuser?
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
I need help in locating the letter Marla wrote
to all on fornits....I cannot find it anywhere.
If you can help, it would be appreciated..She seems to have dropped off the earth. It was in February..
Thanks
juniper
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 01:53:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 10:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"yep still no proof, just baseless claims. as for licsenure, that's the states issue, talk to the legislature, they meet downtown in atlanta, i'm sure they will want to help you"
Claim its baseless all you want, it doesnt change the truth of the matter. Oh and the licsensure issue isnt really one for the legislature, its more one for the court. See HLA claims to the state they are a traditional boarding school (as I have proven) yet advertises as a theraputic boarding school (also proven by me). Is this legal? Is it ethical? HLA has not found a legal loophole, they are operating illegally by lying to the state (again proven by me) and why do they do this? To avoid state regulations (one more time proven by me by illustrating what regs they would then be forced to follow).
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 01:54:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 10:51:00, Juniper1 wrote:
"Robert,
I need help in locating the letter Marla wrote
to all on fornits....I cannot find it anywhere.
If you can help, it would be appreciated..She seems to have dropped off the earth. It was in February..
Thanks
juniper"
Ginger will have it cached, if not then let me know and ill send it to you.
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 01:59:00 PM
Could you send it to me? Ginger...I am sorry, I don't know how to access...Thanks so much.
juniper
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
Author Topic: Teacher Runs From HLA
marla posted 2/7/05 5:15 PM
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I am a rare adult survivor of HLA - I got out IN FEBRUARY 2005,with a little sanity left. After teaching special education for nearly 20 years, I only survived 6 months at HLA. The kids don't feel they can talk to their counselors - maybe its manipulation - maybe not, so they told me things, but I was not in a position to do much except listen without criticizing them and then report safety concerns.ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL." They certainly can't tell their parents their real feelings and experiences without being punished for being manipulative by those who are assigned to monitor their mail, email and phone calls. HLA is not the panacea for all teen problems - most of which kids grow out of or learn to use to their advantage in the business world. Some HLA kids need counseling, some need AA, some need psych hospitals; most need love and time to mature - most are there because their parents were MANIPULATED BY ED. CONSULTANTS AND HLA advertisements. Want a GREAT LAUGH? Go to "struggling teens.com/archives/2001/6/visit01.html" this is a site from "Woodbury Reports, Inc." some ed. consultant deal out of Idaho. This site, while only a few years old, certainly did not describe the HLA I just left. The article claimed the campus was attractive - that's about the only info. I can agree with in their entire review. All the "players" names have changed, except Len, who still owns it and seems like a decent guy, only he leaves the "Mice to play" while he does all his other business things and they do whatever they find most convenient (and maybe even sadistically fun). The article says all teachers are certified - try maybe 20%! The site claims all the kids have IEPs - not! Even if they come in with an IEP, HLA does not have to abide by it because they are a private institution. 100% do not attend college! The cafeteria does not over look the lake - maybe they visited on a rainy day! Restrictions kids get less food and water and are supervised by folks with questionable objectives. Most of the counselors are straight out of college with no experience, so they buy into what the administrators feed them about treating kids in a very punitive way and being constantly suspicious, not to mention telling them behavior modification works. It has been proven that behavior modification in humans is temporary at best.PARENTS - DO YOURSELF AND YOUR WALLET A FAVOR - BEFORE PICKING ANY BOARDING SCHOOL, VISIT UNANNOUNCED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER PLACING YOUR KID IN ONE, VISIT UNANNOUNCED. Refuse to be treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and fed crap! (Parents need to know when their son has been beaten up by a group of homophobic guys. (Some of the kids who came to tell me their problems were gay and felt they were being discriminated against because of this by their counselors and others.) Parents need to know when their daughter has stepped in big puddles of blood first thing in the morning that were left behind by her suicidal roomate. Parents need to know that group therapy has been shown to be more harmful than helpful for "cutters." THIS IS ALL SERIOUS AND FROM THE HEART BECAUSE I TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS.
Post by: Juniper1 on November 28, 2005, 03:07:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 28, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 28, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
You called Mr. Gray a child abuser in this post, and in previous posts as well. Did he or did he not abuse you?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 28, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
"As to your comments, Fat Bill was instrumental in a systematic and organized form of child abuse, he is a child abuser.
Do you deny typing this? In this post you called him a child abuser.
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 28, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 09:11:00 PM
However, they do have a classification for Residential Care Facility. Read the definition of an RCF and post which aspects of you believe do not describe HLA.
FYI.... ORS is 'licensed' by ORS, not 'accredited'.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#148885 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12693&forum=41&start=#148885)
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 09:26:00 PM
Considering the changes that have ocurred, one could conclude that there were (may still be) some unethical practices and policies happening.
If any teacher or staff knew and didn't report it, they are just a guilty as the policy makers, particularly the 'professional' staff.
Post by: Anonymous on November 28, 2005, 09:28:00 PM
RC is 'licensed' by ORS, not 'accredited'.
There is a difference in those terms. You should learn the difference so as not to bring confusion to the discussion.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I went to the ORS website. I see Hidden Lake listed as having been registered on the site due to an onsite X ray machine. I don't see an option in their list of facilities for "therapeutic boarding school". I see outdoor therapeutic camps, drug rehab centers and the like, but not anything called "therapeutic boarding school". I do see Ridge Creek listed as being accredited. It looks like Hidden Lake is not required to be licensed by the ORS. "
By all means post the link to the site you visited. Quid pro quo. I believe ORS does not dole out licenses but rather is a means of companies to register with the state. As HLA has registered as traditional boarding school with ORS rather than a theraputic boarding school, hence the issue. Oh and Ridge Creek is only accredited or licensed because of Deborahs efforts, prior to her HLA tried the same argument claiming they werent required to be licensed, it didnt work then nor will it work now. Claiming HLA does not need a license to operate is like claiming you dont need a license to drive a car.
All businesses require licensure. Espically a for profit organization like HLA.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:21:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 15:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is the intended quote from Robert:
"As to your comments, Fat Bill was instrumental in a systematic and organized form of child abuse, he is a child abuser.
Do you deny typing this? In this post you called him a child abuser.
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How do you know who this "Fat Bill" is I speak of? :grin:
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 17:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Is little Robbie getting upset? I cannot believe you brought up the sledding issue again. Were you there each winter? Maybe she is referring to a time that you weren't there. If not, you just dated yourself as to when you attended. Maybe in between justifying how you can wrongfully slander Bill Gray you can think of something witty or creative to say. "
Everything I say is witty and creative. If you believe ive dated myself by all means post up the dates you think I attended. The reality is none of you have the slightest clue when I was there or for how long.
Also Im still curious as to when you think I committed libel (its libel not slander you dork) against the person you speak of. Ive never mentioned any such person in the slightest duragatory sense.
Oh and no Im not getting upset, I find you to be a cheap and easy form of entertainment, on top of getting a good laugh at your expense I get to disuade parents by exposing the truth about HLA.
Two birds one stone.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:31:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 17:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont know why he brought up the sledding issue again either. I stated the years that we had those black plastic sleds, and what hill we sledded on, and with who, and where those sleds were stored. I do have a few pictures of sledding on that hill but I discoverd several months ago when I went to my storeroom that my picture boxes are in the very back of my store room behind all my father's furniture. It got moved to the back when I had to take my father and grandfather in last year. So I didnt think it would be worth it to take apart the entire 20 x 20 store room just for a few pictures that Robert would just tear apart and call fake anyway, so I didn't bother. "
Yes thats because it never happened Bullfrog. Now perhaps you and your children got to use said sleds, but I assure you anything that might cause that much enjoyment in the inmates would of course been frowned upon and never allowed.
I brought it up to illustrate how youve never been able to back up any of your claims, whereas I on the other hand either have backed up my claims or am saving it for a special occasion.
Mrs. Gray and friend, you keep forgetting were all smarter than you. You need to accept this as a reality.
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
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On 2005-11-28 18:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Correct. No classification for TBS. A gross oversight on ORSs part. Might that be because all the TBSs in Ga have claimed to be private boarding schools, hence the state's ignorance?
However, they do have a classification for Residential Care Facility. Read the definition of an RCF and post which aspects of you believe do not describe HLA.
FYI.... ORS is 'licensed' by ORS, not 'accredited'.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#148885 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12693&forum=41&start=#148885)"
The standards have already been posted, HLA applies. There is no question. They are just lying to the state to avoid oversight.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 06:56:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2005, 10:07:00 AM
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On 2005-11-29 03:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert they do possess a license to operate. You stated all busineses require a license. They possess one. I found it on the secretary of state website. And as far as your statement that we never sledded with students, sorry but youre lying. I did sled alongside other students. I believe it was either 1998 or 1999 winters. And the sleds were black and I think we had a blue one too. And we sledded with Rusty and Angie Ray's kids as well along with some students. Just because YOU werent there then doesnt mean it didnt happen. Whether or not I feel like digging through my storeroom is my business, but I can assure you, we sledded with students. "
Yet the fact remains that no students seem to remember it. Or you for that matter despite your claims that you were a regular around the cafeteria and other such places.
How can that be I wonder?
Maybe because your idealized version of a summer camp wasnt the reality for the people who were actually forced to be there.
Just something to consider.
As to the licensure issue I wasnt the one who claimed HLA did not require a license, your friend is see,
"It looks like Hidden Lake is not required to be licensed by the ORS. "
Who then are they licensed with? And as what? Because they certiannly registered with ORS (the oversight enforcement agency for the state) as a traditional boarding school, yet they advertise differently.
Can you explain this Mrs. Gray?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
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On 2005-11-29 03:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert everybody knows who you were referring to in your statement. There is only one Bill at the school. "
Are you sure? I mean its a preety common name isnt it? Lets see, Bill Gray Jr., his father Bill Gray Sr. a number of AC's probably a counsoler at least once or twice and a good number of students I would imagien.
How can you be sure which of those people I was refering to?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 29, 2005, 12:42:00 PM
AS far as your question about sledding, are you trying to tell me that you are in contact with every student who attended HLA between November 1998 and April of 2000? Surely not. If the few students you talk to now don't remember it what difference does that make? They probably weren't the ones who sledded. I know it happened, Rusty and Angie Ray know it happened, my kids know it happened, my ex husband know it happened, my inlaws know it happened, and the students who sledded know it happened. Whether or not you believe me is moot at this point. I have no idea if they allow sleds now but back then they did.
Post by: Anonymous on November 29, 2005, 07:59:00 PM
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Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
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On 2005-11-29 09:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know who you are referring to in your post as a child abuser and so does everyone else. Don't dodge your guilt Robert. You are guilty of accusing Bill Gray of child abuse and there is no way you can get around that.
AS far as your question about sledding, are you trying to tell me that you are in contact with every student who attended HLA between November 1998 and April of 2000? Surely not. If the few students you talk to now don't remember it what difference does that make? They probably weren't the ones who sledded. I know it happened, Rusty and Angie Ray know it happened, my kids know it happened, my ex husband know it happened, my inlaws know it happened, and the students who sledded know it happened. Whether or not you believe me is moot at this point. I have no idea if they allow sleds now but back then they did."
Isnt there though? The fact of the matter is you have no way of proving who I was talking about. If you think otherwise please offer as much. The reality is you cant. Im confused as to why youre suprised, again this is the same tactic you used as you whined on and on about not being guilty of releasing information about a former student.
"All I did was release a first name." "Its not illegal! I take care of two disabled family memebers."
As for the sledding no Im not in contact with every single student, however am in contact with a VERY large network of students that is kept up to date on all of your anticts. None of them remember such an event occuring. As I said before perhaps you wer allowed to sled down such a hill with your children, students were not. Let me ask you if it so popular why would they have stopped allowing it?
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:47:00 PM
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On 2005-11-29 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For once Robert you are correct. Libel is in fact what you have chosen to engage in versus slander. However, before you decide to call anyone on this board a "dork" you should consider the fact that a great deal of your posts are filled with misspelled words and inconsistent information. So I guess it would be okay to then call you dumbass. I'm glad you are entertained! I compare you to the likes of a circus monkey that performs for a small tidbit of fruit. "
Oh no misspelled words, youve completly discredited me now! Is that really the best you can do? If so this is going to be alot easier than I thought. Please elaborate on my "inconsistent information", offer up some basis for yet another one of your retarded comments. Also be sure you really want to get into a name calling contest with me, or to even take things to a more personal level. After all we know all kinds of fun things about you, whereas you dont even know who were are. Further as you have showcased your stupidity time and time again, along with weakness and cowardice, its really not a fight you can win.
Im glad you find me as entertaining as I find you though. Hopefully youll find me as entertaining as I sing "We are the champions" all the way to the bank and certian people find themselves out of a job and a source to play out their masocistic fantasies.
See you soon. :wave:
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:48:00 PM
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On 2005-11-29 17:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"good boy robert, have a banana :wave: "
Bad bullfrog, no more endorsing child abuse. :wave:
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 01:49:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I guess he took his bannanas and went home :idea: "
Although I wont say no to a bannana, Im still here, I do have class and work and such to attend. However you can rest assured I'll stick around until the fight is finished.
Count on it bitch.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:12:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 02:32:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 11:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you realy are not as smart as you think. you don't even know who you are talking to."
Nor do you, however I and all others like me on here remain now and forever smarter than you. Afterall we beat your brainwashing techniques didnt we?
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 02:49:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 03:17:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 11:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"actuallly if I had used the real techniques I was taught, then we would not be having this little discourse. "
HAHAHAHAHAHA, is that a fact? Were you one of the restrictions staff? A washed up slob who couldnt cut it in the military so had to take a job beating up kids?
That would make sense.
Trust me though, even if you had used your silly little tricks, it wouldnt have made any difference. I and many others beat back everything thrown at us by you clowns, again the reason being were smarter than you. Nothing you could have done would have changed that fact.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 14:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Brainwashing wouldn't really be effective on Robert. He would actually have to have some intellectual functioning to begin with. When faced with any type of confrontation, he typically results to name calling and whimpering. Robert, you can call me any name you would like. I have probably accomplished more in my life than you will ever come close to achieving. But as you often point out...neither of us know each other, and that is probably a good thing. Why don't you fight HLA and stop throwing rocks at everyone around you. You may find you have more support that way. And another thing, stop using the word "we" everytime you get backed into a corner. I don't think anyone on the board is feeling threatened. Put up or shut up. "
If any of this is true why am I winning the argument? Why did HLA try and force me to sign a non disclosure agreement? Why am I able to respond to everything put to me while you all have to pick and choose? And why am I earning a Phd while you......dig latrines? I mean obviously you arent serving your country in any meaningfull way. I hear the front lines are a little west of Daholonega GA.
Further as you illustrate you dont know me, so then how can make the claim youve accomplished more than me? The reality is you dont know really anything about me, other than the few things Ive allowed you to know.
Also Im wondering how you could be so dense as not to have a clue as to whats really going on here. There is a fight against HLA, and Ive got more support than you could possibly realize. In fact maybe youll get to see a bit of front line action after all.
Oh and the people who are in fact feeling threatened are the people who are afraid of the truth, such as yourself and Mrs. Gray, otherwise why would you be here? And I certianly havent been in any corners or whimpered about anything (if youd like to offer evidence of such be my guest). I use the term "we" because it is a "we", you really have no idea the number of people who are involved in exposing that place for what it is and the people defending it for who they are.
Youll find out soon though...from US.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 30, 2005, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There is no "winning" by you Robert. You are lashing out at everyone who has a differing opinion than yours by resorting to calling them stupid and abusive and worse. Tell me, does it make you feel more like a man by doing that? "
hmmm no, knowing that I was strong enough to beat you people when everything was stacked against me, beating the odds and making a life for myself with no outside support, being a good husband, finishing school and embarking on a career to be a sucess, staying healthy in body and mind all helps to make me more of a man.
What does it for you beating up kids?
Digging those latrines we talked about earlier?
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I challenge you to show a post where I told someone they werent. What they arent entitled to do is to discount someone elses or lie about a situation. I havent lashed out at anyone, Ive treated everyone with the amount of respect they deserve, as to calling people names. Well like I said im an honest guy. I call it like I see it.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 15:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And there it is...entertainment delivered right to my laptop! First of all, I am not affiliated with the military and do not live in Dahlonega, GA. I have never dug any latrines and actually respect the folks that are serving our country. They are the ones that allow you and I to banter back and forth because they protect and preserve that right. I am glad that you have a lot of people supporting you behind the scenes. My point was simple...don't be surprised if people don't feel threatened by you or "us" when you choose to attack them. You make a valid point that people only know what you have shared about yourself. Don't be naive to think that the same isn't true about them. If you threaten the wrong person, it may come back to haunt you. "
Oh so youre not in the military then? So youve accomplished even less than I thought. As I said before in regards to people feeling threatened. I havent threatened anyone, Ive just made the fact known the truth is coming to light, if people feel threatened by that, well thats their problem now isnt it?
Are you going to address any of the issues put to you?
Lets talk about the policies regarding restraining kids and food rationing.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 15:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What kind of doubletalk is that? One minute, you making cracks at members of the armed services...but now you seem to revere them. Yet another example of how you appear inconsistent in your approach. As for your other requests... As I never saw a student being restrained, it would be unfair for me to comment. If by food rationing you are referring to the old restrictions program, I agree. Although I have heard that HLA revised this and no longer places limits on food? Personally, I don't think food, shelter, or communication should ever be used as a consequence or bargaining chip in any type of therapeutic program. Again, my opinion. "
Who was making cracks at members of the armed services? I was making a crack at you. Insinuating that although in the military you apparently werent in combat, thus not worthy of the same respect given to the real soldiers. I mean I realize that someone had to do what you did, I guess you just lucked out that you didnt have to actually fight.
Offer another real example of my inconsistencies.
As to the issues are you stating that HLA no longer rations food as a means of punishement? No longer forces kids to remain outside regardless of the weather? No longer keeps them from communicating with their parents?
Also you say you never saw a student be restrained but did you ever know of one or hear about it? What about runaways?
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 08:07:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hate to end your fishing expedition but since I am in no way affiliated with HLA, I cannot answer as to what they are doing there now days."
Fishing expedition? Are you under some midguided impression I give a shit who you are? I dont. Youre no one of consequence. Im not like you idiots who spend hours pouring (illegally) over student files trying to guess peoples identity. You and Susie can have it, no one else cares. If I did want to know who you were however it wouldnt be hard. You gave away to much information about yourself, Id simply ask one of the more recent escapees I speak with and thered we have it.
Riddle me this though, if you are in no way affiliated with HLA how can you comment on it? I mean you can discuss past events but you claimed issues up till the present. Without having an affiliation how can you accomplish that?
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on November 30, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
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On 2005-11-30 17:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"For the very last time... I DON'T know Suzie Gray and since I don't work at HLA, I don't have access to any student files. Nor do I care who you are. I have answered questions relating to my past experiences as an employee there. I have never made this a secret and have even identified myself as Tony. I thought we had covered this. I sure hope you expend a little more energy paying attention in class. Since you obviously refuse to engage in reasonable or even diplomatic dialogue I guess it is time to say goodnight. "
Right you dont know her...never spoken to her before in your life. You were a staff member during her time there were you not? She has claimed she knew everyone there. But hey Im sure youre telling the truth no reason to get upset.
Youre right though, I have been rude to you. I should conduct myself more honorably. Youve have been both curteous and respectfull. You have listened to my opinion and I have been unwilling to hear your side. I promise from now on I will take a page from your book and engage in "reasonable and diplomatic dialogue".
Go kill yourself. :wave:
HAHAHA typical staff behavior.
Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2005, 11:47:00 PM
Excerpts from ... Torture:
"Techniques described in the November 18 ABC News report?prolonged forced standing, sleep deprivation, and exposure to cold?are illegal and may possibly amount to torture. These techniques were used by Soviet and North Korean interrogators, and have been reported more recently in Egypt, Burma, Iran and Turkey. This backgrounder provides descriptions of these techniques and their effects ? both historical examples and accounts from the State Department?s own human rights reports."
"The Washington Times reported last year that ?some of the most feared forms of torture? cited by survivors of the North Korean gulag ?were surprisingly mundane: Guards would force inmates to stand perfectly still for hours at a time, or make them perform exhausting repetitive exercises such as standing up and sitting down until they collapsed from fatigue.? (?Nightmares from the North; Korean son recounts life in dictatorship,? Benjamin Hu, The Washington Times, April 30, 2004.) "
"In The Gulag Archipelago, Aleksander Solzhenitsen describes Soviet interrogations including cases of forced standing and sleep deprivation: ?Then there is the method of simply compelling a prisoner to stand there.? Among other techniques used to break prisoners was forcing them to stay in a fixed position for an extended period of time."
"Pakistan: In the country reports, the State Department noted that prolonged isolation and denial of food or sleep were common torture methods."
"Tunisia: In the country reports, the State Department said that tactics such as food and sleep deprivation or confinement to a tiny, unlit cell were commonly used in Tunisia."
"Turkey: The State Department stated that torture is a regular practice in Turkey. According to the 2001 country report, some of the methods of torture employed by Turkish security forces included prolonged standing and isolation."
Just an excerpt from the relevant stuff. Sounds alot like iso at WWASPS to me!
Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=#150745 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12845&forum=44&start=#150745)
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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On 2005-12-01 19:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have no intentions of killing myself. I came onto this site after being referred to it by a former student. There have been several good points made. As far as Robert's posts...I have openly supported the reasoning behind them, just not the delivery. I still hold onto the ideology that everyone has the right to express their own opinion without the fear of being attacked. I do however agree that they should only refer to things that they have first hand knowledge of. I hope the topics become less focused on personal attacks and more on change. "
You were the one who brought up the suggestion of suicide in the first place. One more time typical staff behavior. You behave reprehensively, yet when you find the people you attack can give as good as you can, and often better, you claim youre taking the high ground. It amazes me how very little has changed in the years.
No one attacked you until you set the tone, you made it personal. Dont bitch when others treat you the same way. You claim its a useless tactic to use your own techniques against you, but I disagree. It exposes you for what you are, forcing you to deal with the real issues because you cant handle defending against your own tactic. It also lets you and those watching know that the other person is smarter than you. In this case much smarter. Afterall, if we can handle it when you throw it at us, what does it say when you cant handle it when we throw it right back at you?
Now while your thinking about that lets get back to those questions regarding restraining students.
Also why do you think they changed the policy regarding food rationing and forcing students to remain outdoors almost the entire day?
Do they still do work assingments? If so what kind?
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 10:58:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 01, 2005, 11:33:00 PM
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On 2005-12-01 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How in the world did I bring up the topic of suicide? I think your statement was probably the worst I have seen yet on this board. As far as my "tactics," I have none. I (much like you) choose to be myself and speak freely. I don't believe that I am taking a "high road." I have been pretty clear that I don't really care about your opinions of me or your comments. I have yet to "bitch" about anything you have said. Since I have not been at HLA for almost 5 years I cannot explain what they are currently doing there...I imagine they changed the restrictions policies because they felt they were inappropriate? So what exactly is your end goal in this line of questioning?"
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 1&start=20 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=12817&forum=41&start=20)
take a look for yourself. The conversation had been discussing the amount of suicide attempts occuring at HLA. You made the apparently erroneous claim (without having the means of knowing) that while several students had hurt themselves only one had really attempted suicide. I asked you explain what constituted a real suicide attempt versus simply hurting ones self. You then stated there was a big difference (explaining nothing as to how you determine the difference) and then suggested I try it myself.
Now perhaps your memory fails you, again typical staff behavior. Remember only the sins of others (not that I sinned against you, just mocked) and completly forget your own.
Now youre claiming you dont have a tactic yet you seem to follow Bullfrogs school of thought to the letter. Again claiming youve never met her and all the times you two posted at almost the exact same time was just a coincidence. Your or rather her..who am I kidding she's not smart enough..the way Buchi instructed her to act is to avoid answering questions, detract from the issue with pointless comments that have no bearing, engaged in personal attacks on people and play the victim when they do the same to you, feign forgetfullness or innocence iregardless of the facts, and of course deny deny deny.
You have done nothing but bitch and make personal attacks and idle threats.
Im wondering since you havent been at HLA in five years, how were you able to claim there had only been one suicide attempt in the last three years.
Oh and Im asking you about changes in the restriction policies since when the policies were in place they were lauded as being very effective and reasonable. Why then the change? Does it suggest that those of us who suffered under it might have a legitimate complaint against the school?
Oh and you still havent answered my question regarding what you knew about kids being restrained.
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 07:37:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 08:54:00 AM
If you used your user name, or signed your posts we wouldn't have had to read two pages of your defensive comments.
Why have you engaged RB in this manner? Then criticize him for the same.
Sign your posts, or you can expect to be confused with the regular staff that post anonymously.
Was this 'bait and confuse' strategy? That is typical staff behavior.
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 10:48:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 02:04:00 PM
It looked like baiting to me. You jumped in the midst of anon postings as an anon yourself, and no one should be expected to distinquish between anon posters based on 'sentence structure/syntax'.
If you're wrongly accused or misunderstood, point it out, kinda goes with the territory when you don't identify yourself.
Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2005, 06:02:00 PM
Post by: Deborah on December 02, 2005, 06:25:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 02, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
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On 2005-12-02 04:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You are way off the mark with this one. If you can actually check IP addresses (as you have claimed in the recent past) I have never engaged in the conversations you just referenced. Even without the IP address you can tell by the dialogue, sentance structure, etc. I guess this is yet another example of how your rude responses are aimed at the wrong people. Your frequent use of "staff behavior" quips is somewhat humorus as every person choosing to work at HLA brings their own personality traits to the table. That would be like me saying that your antagonistic comments and use of profanity is "typical student behavior" and expecting you to enjoy being lumped into a single category. Obviously, not every student had the same mentality. Moving on, I do recall you asking me about students being restrained in one of your posts. Again, I have no first hand knowledge of a student restraint during the time that I was there. "
So youre claiming now you arent Jarhead and you didnt PM me?
Also I asked you if youd ever heard about it occuring while there.
Post by: Deborah on December 02, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 03, 2005, 02:12:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on December 03, 2005, 12:16:00 PM
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 04, 2005, 04:01:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 08:43:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
You probably haven't figured out the personalities yet.
Susie in Bill Gray's ex-wife.
As she said, she no longer works at HLA, so she's not responsible for withholding your transcript. Perhaps her ex is though.
Why?
You're not the first to have this problem.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 04, 2005, 12:12:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on December 04, 2005, 12:40:00 PM
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On 2005-12-04 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:...a complete and utter retard.
"I am his ex wife. And I am also..."
:smokin:
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 02:40:00 PM
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On 2005-12-04 10:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Only "...a complete and utter retard" would begin assailing Mrs. Gray for her honest response. :smokin:
"
Susie Gray is unfamiliar with the term "honest", she is also well aware of the policy HLA has in place to occasionaly lose students transcripts should they escape. I was threatened with it outright. Fortunantly HLA is staffed with a group of weak little cowards who will back down as soon as someone calls their bluff and threatens them legal consequences.
Mrs. Gray when are you going to apologize to Devin for your actions. He's letting you off preety easy, you should take it while you have the chance.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 04:19:00 PM
Robert, I just now saw his statement about wanting an apology from me this afternoon. I have not been on here for a few days. I will give him a statement but to tell you the truth, nobody would ever know who he was without him coming on here. I stated a first name and a guess as to what number of months he was there, nothing more. That is not personal information, it wasnt obtained from any file whatsoever, nor is it anything incriminating, or damning. As I have said, I said nothing harmful and asked a friend of mine who is an attorney and they saw what I typed and agreed a first name and guess at a number of months is not personal information and he cannot sue me and win even if he wanted to. I am sorry he thinks I "attacked" or dragged him into this, but I seriously guessed that he might be you and that was it. If he isnt, well then he isnt. End of story. People also guessed you were the kid named Blaire but I dont see you threatening them with legal action. Why is that? Devon if you arent Robert then I apologize. But I didnt give out anything personal that could have let anybody know who you were, because I dont know anything personal about you.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 04:23:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
I also could care less who people are behind their screen names. Ive only asked that people use a screen name to avoid confusion. Susie Grey doesnt out of fear and cowardice. She likes to be able to say something and that claim it wasnt her. Furthermore Ive stated why I dont use my own name (again even though my sn is synonmous with my own name, if HLA wasnt staffed with people of below average intelligence they could figure it out). So long as Marty doesnt know my name though I can continue to dispell the propoganda spouted off by puppets like Susie the Bullfrog, and there's nothing he can do about it.
Now Mrs. Gray you arent being totally honest here are you. You didnt just release a first name and a guess at the number of months now did you?
No you didnt.
You released his name, the correct number of months he attended, and the time in which he attended.
This is different than what youre saying you did, tell your attorney friend (Marty) the truth and he may advise you a little differently. Remember you do have a law student looking over these things as well...a bit more objectivly than you.
Now as to George, Im not giving him any false information. It is the policy of HLA to routinley try and punish students for leaving. They tried it with me, theyve tried it with others, and theyre trying it now with George. Since you yourself claimed to have been privy to all sorts of information and meeting with Buch on a regular basis you should then know of this policy correct? I mean havent you claimed you went to all sorts of meetings and things? Why wouldnt you know?
Ohhhh unless of course you were alot less important than you think, and they just didnt feel you needed to know about that policy or any others of consequence. My apologies then Mrs. Gray, I forgot you were no one of consequence there and had no clue as to what was going on as you had no involvement with the school.
Also Im wondering Susie, why is you claim you dont know anything personal about Devin, yet you also claimed you had not only met him, but knew he and I had similar personalities.
Can you explain that?
I doubt it.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 09:44:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 10:16:00 PM
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On 2005-12-04 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Once again, assumptions and twists of my statements Robert, as usual. No, I did not give out precise personal information. I guessed at a number of months and if Devin says thats the correct number, then I guess I was just lucky. And I did not say specifically when he was there. I said it was during a 3 or 4 yr period. I know for a fact there was at least one other Devon there during that time. And I did not give out any other information about him. I guessed that because I heard he was a pain in the butt and so are you, I thought it might be possible that you and him were the same. But like I said, all that is a guess. And no my attorney friend isnt Marty. I havent talked to Marty or seen him since I left there. And no, I dont know the policies of transcripts. Its not one of the topics I talked to Dr. B. about. And no, I dont hide behind anything. I usually am pretty clear about who I am. When I did post anonymously it was because I wanted to see if using an anonymous name would keep you from insulting me in a personal manner. Not because I was afraid of anything. And yes you are not telling the total truth to George. There might be a legitimate reason he isnt getting his transcript yet. Remember he has only been gone less than a week. It might be coming in the mail or something. You dont know anything about George's situation and of course neither do I, however, you are assuming the worst case scenario, and that is wrong. Why dont you go after the actual perpetrators of whatever "abuse" you supposedly endured, like the actual individuals, not me, nor the owner of the school, or the ones who are good people who work there. Go after the actual people who did whatever harm to you and lay off the innocent ones. Youll get alot more respect that way I am sure. "
Why would you ever think Im seeking the respect of greedy, child abuse endorsing/perpetrating, moronic, weak, cowardly and or their puppets?
If anything the sign that people such as yourself and your boss dont respect me is a positive thing.
That's like saying Hitler doesnt respect me.
Unless youre a Nazi who fucking cares?
Now onto your nonsense. Are you going to claim that in that infantile mind of yours you somehow guessed the correct number of months that he was there? You arent capable of such an act Mrs. Gray youre far to dumb. On top of the fact that you stated not a 3 or 4 year period but in fact between 97-98. Furthermore you still arent stating where you got the idea that we had similar personalities. Claiming you had heard he was a pain in the butt? From who? What had he done to earn such a remark? What facts were you privy to?
Oh and again no you arent always clear about who you are. You keep conviently forgetting when I called you on the fact that it was you trying to reveal who I was. You lied about it remember, just as you should also remember you claimed you never lie. A contridiction you have yet to explain.
As to the transcript issues, he may yet get his transcript, however that does not change the fact that HLA openly threatens kids who leave early concerning their transcripts. What are your thoughts on this practice?
Also Im interested in your use of the word "supposedly" endured related to the abuse I suffered while at HLA. Would you really like to go down that road Susie? Try me on it, you'll soon learn. As to you specifically, I never knew you. However I do know that Fatass was a huge instigator of a great deal of the suffering we endured, and that you put food on your table at the expense of us. Further Buch turned a blind eye to a great many things. Dont talk to me about innocent ones, they were usually fired for caring about the inmates. You probably dont know or think to highly of any of them.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 10:19:00 PM
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On 2005-12-04 16:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert its not that hard to search your IP just like you claim to do with everybody else, and find out who you are, if anybody really gave a shit. So dont think they dont already know who you are."
I have never claimed to do it with everybody else. If you disagree repost such a comment made by me that even suggest as much. I'll let you know ahead of time you cant. Not just because your an impotent whiney little pathetic bitch. But more so because I never made such a comment. Why dont you check your facts before hand in the future. It helps :grin:
As to knowing who I am, they dont. If they want to run my IP they can but they cant admit it in court so what difference would it make? On top of that running my IP will only give them my computers location, not my name. Like I said check your facts first retard. Since I dont live in the same location I did while at HLA it really wont help all that much.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 04, 2005, 10:21:00 PM
Youve mentioned repeatedly how any staffer who touches or harms a student would be immediatly fired.
Yet Jimsir physically attacked a student at one point simply because the kid made a smartass comment.
He is still employed there is he not?
You were there at the time this occured were you not?
How does this fit into your theory?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 04, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
Im sure ive missed a few but its late and Ive been working all weekend so whenever you get around to slamming this post too Ill answer the rest.
Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
No, I'm not exagerating it at all. I wonder though what is your reason for asking? You claim you dont recall such an event occuring, yet you automatically assume I'm exagerating it? Why? Simply because you operate under the misconcieved notion that employees who harm students were immediatly fired? We'll I'm happy to burst your bubble on this Mrs. Gray. The truth of the matter is Jimmy is not alone in being employees who attacked students and were not fired. Ask your ex if your memory is so poor. I would have thought such a high level employee as yourself who regurarly met with Buch would be aware of such occurences...oh there I did it again. You had no involvement with the school, had no knowledge of what went on there, thus you wouldnt be aware of such an event occuring. Tell me though does it make a difference to you the severity of the attack as to whether or not it warrants an employee being fired? How would parents feel about that philosphy? Youre claiming it only matters if the child is hurt? Otherwise its okay? Answer that question for Mrs. Gray. While your brooding on it remind yourself that if a student had attacked a staff member in the same manner irregardless of whether or not the staff member was hurt, not only would they have been restrained, they would have been sent out into the woods for God knows how long only to return on a fallin. Is that fair Mrs. Gray?
>>>>>>>>>>>Secondly, I may be wrong on who ACTUALLY stated they could run IP's. But you were part of that conversation so I was thinking it was you. But you did tell me that you knew who I was by tracing my IP number at one time, so forgive my assumption. However, that being said, your identity can be found out. Its not that hard. Dont be so sure that some people on here or at the school dont already know who you are. I personally dont know either way but I wouldnt assume you are anonymous<<<<<<<<<<<,
I dont believe anyone said they had run everyones IP. We ran yours because you lied (a contridiction you STILL have not explained :grin: ) and claimed it wasnt you when we knew it was. For my identity to be found by tracing my IP my computer would have to be registered to my name. Since it is not any name that comes up (which wont) would not then be my own. I have also already reminded you, we still have a source who clues us in on things. None of you idiots have found out anything of substance. But if as you claim its not that hard to ascertain my identity, by all means try try again. I mean youre batting 1000 so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Third, I did not say between 97 and 98. Those were the years I was a parttime employee. What I said was sometime between 1997 and 1999. That is 3 years if you count from January to December. And there were at least 2 Devons during that time. And yes the 3 months was a guess, I dont have to be dumb or bright with that one if its correct, just lucky. <<<<<<<
You claimed he was there at the time you did the report cards did you not? As to there being another Devin you never answered my question as to whether or not the other one was only there for three months as well. You may claim its just a guess Mrs. Gray but honestly do you think a judge would buy that?
"I just guessed your honor. I know I had access to student records as an employee and would have been privy to such information as name time and length of stay, but I forgot all that and then just guessed at it correctly."
Yeah he'll buy it. Idiot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth, as far as your comment about my ex husband being responsible for instigating abuse, you are DEAD WRONG. He was responsible for physical plant, business issues, and hiring maintenance, cooks, janitorial, and dentist and doctor contractors. He in no way abused you or your fellow students and you know that. My father in law worked on any and all maintenance issues round the clock. They were both on call 24/7 and I cant tell you how many times the phone rang in the middle of the night because of things breaking or the power going out due to bad weather, or some sort of emergency, etc etc. They were on top of any issue as fast as they could. They also both worked from 6 am until 11pm during the week long ice storm we had in January 1999 or 2000(cant remember which january) when power was out for 5 days rounding up generators,kerosene heaters, going to town in 4wheel drive vehicles for gas, and personally helping get the ovens started for the kitchen and cooking also. They also organized where to put kids in bldgs that had generators or fireplaces so nobody would be cold. So dont go and tell ANYBODY on this board that Mr. Gray was responsible for any sort of abuse because it is totally untrue and horribly unfair. You blame the ones responsible for whatever hatred you have from 6 yrs ago and leave Mr. Gray out of it, because he is innocent of abuse and he can sue you for your comments Robert<<<<<<<<<<<
No he really really cant. Ive made no libelous comments towards him at any time. I will however directly respond to your comments with facts that can easily be backed up. Bill Gray Jr. when pressed by the students to make upgrades in the dorms because of saftey concerns claimed that we had caused the damage (mold, infestation, leaks, faulty plumbing ect.) and thus we should be made the ones to deal with it. Now you can claim this never happened but it did. I know it happened because I was one of the students that spoke with him about it. I can also very very easily prove this conversation occured before you claim anyone is lying. Add that to the fact that there was no direct evidence that students had intentionally caused the damage other than wear and tear (HLA staffers never needed evidence for their claims against us) and you are left with a rather large issue. Espically considering its not by any means the only one of a very similar list. I mean who can forget the memorable weekend we went without toilet paper? That was really staying on top of things Ive gotta admit.
>>>>>>>>Fifth, the reason I asked about what kind of abuse is you have never stated why you hate the school so much. You never stated what kind of abuse you endured. Physical? sexual? emotional? I was just curious what caused you to hate so much. <<<<<<<<
What difference does it make to you? You'd simply claim I was making it up so why bother telling you? The people who need to know what happened know. You arent important enough for me to tell, so I choose not to. Now scamper off and claim Im not telling you because there is nothing to tell, while the people who matter and know the truth read all of your moronic responses and call you a stupid bitch. Oh and for the record, as Ive said many times, I dont hate HLA or the people who worked there. Ive forgiven HLA its sins against me long ago. I simply want to expose the truth about them and make sure puppets like you dont sell anyone on the lies youve been instructed to spew off.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 12:31:00 AM
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On 2005-12-04 19:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mr. Bruce...a lost soul indeed.. :lol: "
Lost to who? HLA. Yes and I thank God for it.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 05, 2005, 02:46:00 AM
Student's academic transcript: $16,409.78
Student's personal possessions: $53.61
Finding out you can't receive what's legally yours because some bastards are illegal and want every cent of currency in all your bank accounts:
PRICELESS.
Some things money can't buy. For everything else, there's North Georgian's waiting to fuck you over.
I know it's illegal. Believe me -- I've done my research, not just on the internet, but with close friends and parents of close friends who are high-profile lawyers both in Downtown Dallas and Downtown Houston and other large-scale cities around the United States (other than Texas, of course). It's highly illegal -- yes, my parents can be billed due to previous dues, but no, my transcript can't be held as bait for it. The transcript has to due with me -- therefore I cannot be punished. If the school wants to pump money out of this family, then they should be punishing my parents in some way, but what the fuck do I have to do with it?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 05, 2005, 07:11:00 AM
Second item I will address. The buildings you lived in were new if you were there during the time you say you were. Why would they leak? What were they infested with? I never heard of any serious maintenance issues with them when I lived there those 4 years. Now the mold issue is a tough one to fight since I had mold in my own house. North Georgia is high humidity and can be tough to fight in rooms like bathrooms. But the other stuff wouldnt have had anything to do with quality of buildings and I am sure if something needed to be fixed it would have been. I know for a fact that plumbing and other company trucks went up to the school to fix things so there would have been no reason to not address maintenance things. So no, you cannot call Mr. Gray a perpetrator of abuse. Those buildings are nice, and less than 10 yrs old some newer than that, and if there are things that needed fixing I am sure they did it. As far as toilet paper issues, I never heard anything about that so I dont know what happened there.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 08:50:00 AM
No you probably wont.
>>>>>>>>>>>>The first one, regarding me being a parttime employee. I said I worked there between Oct 97 and July 98. I said I thought Devin was there between 97 and 99. There is no correllation other than I lived on campus that whole time. I didnt physically put the report cards in the files. Therefore I didnt see personal information about the students other than the grades I typed. I dont remember seeing Devon's name in my report card paperwork so I dont know if I typed his report cards or not. But the two things have nothing in common except the years. And lets supposed that I actually had access to files. How in the world would I remember what was in them specifically at this point? But since I didnt have access to them, its a moot point. I told you everything about why I guessed Devin and if you are too dense to go over and over and over it then thats your problem<<<<<<<<<<<<
Okay so again let me make sure I have your story straight.
You worked for HLA in your home filling out report cards for roughly a year. Even though you did not physically touch the files the report cards you were filling out were actually part of the file and would be later placed in it. While there you met a student named Devin who you remembered because he shares your sons name. Someone told you he was a "pain in the butt" and you remembered that as well. Because you did in fact fill out his report card you not only knew when he was there but for how long. In the ensuing years you forgot all of that and then somehow guessed it all back right again?
Is that the story youre sticking to?
I mean you did release his first name, the time frame in which he was there and the amount of time he spent at HLA correct? Am I wrong in any of that? Let's make sure we're clear on this.
If that's the story you may be in for some trouble if I can convince him to come after you.
You see Mrs. Gray when a person learns something and then maybe doesnt think about it for a little while, but then later on talks about what they had originally learned..thats not called guessing, its called remembering.
You remembered those things about him, thats why you got it right. Either that or someone told you, the more likely scenario.
I mean you still havent explained why you made the correlation to begin with. We are both pains in the butt? Your anal fetishes aside thats not really a personality trait. I mean what was it about him that so bothered you? How is it similar to my actions. You let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Second item I will address. The buildings you lived in were new if you were there during the time you say you were. Why would they leak? What were they infested with? I never heard of any serious maintenance issues with them when I lived there those 4 years. Now the mold issue is a tough one to fight since I had mold in my own house. North Georgia is high humidity and can be tough to fight in rooms like bathrooms. But the other stuff wouldnt have had anything to do with quality of buildings and I am sure if something needed to be fixed it would have been. I know for a fact that plumbing and other company trucks went up to the school to fix things so there would have been no reason to not address maintenance things. So no, you cannot call Mr. Gray a perpetrator of abuse. Those buildings are nice, and less than 10 yrs old some newer than that, and if there are things that needed fixing I am sure they did it. As far as toilet paper issues, I never heard anything about that so I dont know what happened there. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
And you still want to behave as if you didnt hear something translates to it never happened? You are in fact the quintessential southener. You also still want to operate under the beliefe that you know when I attended HLA. You dont, stop believing you do. You in reality have no clue and because you have no clue you have no clue what the condition of the campus was at that time. Something you might find funny is that eventually I took pictures of our luxurious living conditions and would be happy to share them with you since youre so certian everything was taken care of very quickly.
Are you sure you want this argument?
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 05, 2005, 12:44:00 PM
If anyone has any questions referring to any of my experiences first-hand at HLA, you can reach me at george.chongris@sbcglobal.net
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 05, 2005, 12:53:00 PM
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 05, 2005, 01:10:00 PM
Got a few things for yall.
1. If your gonna post on here, why don't you quit pussying out and man up- at least make a user name, and why would it matter if you "used" to work there? And how did you respond SOO fast? Who we hidin from?
2. 8 years, Maybe. The Academic Building that all the classes are held in is still the original academic building from when the school was first opened in late 1994. The Counselor "Base Camp", or "Counselor Building", as Hitler's Last Achievement (HLA) proclaims it to be, is an original dorm from the opening, but because it had no central A/C or heating, they received too many complaints and had to put the kids in alternate dorms.
3. Dorm C is the newest dorm, which is where the girls live in. This is the dormitory that is advertised in all the HLA brochures and shown in pictures, because it is the nicest, newest, and most luxorious dorm, all 2 floors of it, and currently houses an average of 85 female students.
4. Dorm B is a former girls dorm, and this is one of the last of the original buildings. This is used for male students 16-19 who attend the school.
5. Dorm A is more than 4 years old, I'm sure of. This is the dorm that was infested and I got attacked by bugs in, and boys from 13-16 live there and they keep NO hygeine at all. It is the dirtiest shithole on earth, and the school simply does not care, nor keeps up with it. They see it as "Well, if a select group of students can't clean themselves, then let's punish the ones who are."
6. I don't wanna hear any person claiming shit until you or your parents have paid $6,500 a month for at least 5 months of the program and lived on that campus and dealt with the mental abuse and manipulation, of you and everyone in your family. Those who haven't live it do not and WILL not understand. Don't think you know till you've walked a mile in my (or any current or former HLA student) shoes, cause it's quite something.
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 05, 2005, 05:59:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 05, 2005, 06:37:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
if you just have to have a response from her then post repeatedly, a one-issue question- as simply as it can be stated- until she responds. don't side track her with 10 other questions before she's answer the first.
personally i'm bored with reading the same, lengthy accounts of her history at hla that lend nothing to the discussion- unnecessarily taking up bandwidth. give everyone a break and stop baiting her to retell the same story over and over and over.
just a simple, one-point question at a time. you might get somewhere with that approach.
and susie, for everyone else's sake, please spare us another telling of your history. pick out your favorite story(ies) and just post the url to it... in the event that someone wants to read it for the umpteenth time. pleasssseeeeee. have mercy. it will save you time too.
Post by: Troll Control on December 10, 2005, 02:17:00 PM
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On 2005-12-05 17:11:00, Anonymous wrote:"One time, when I was at HLA..."
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what does it matter? she doesn't have current information anyway, and most of what she says about the past is questionable, at best.
if you just have to have a response from her then post repeatedly, a one-issue question- as simply as it can be stated- until she responds. don't side track her with 10 other questions before she's answer the first.
personally i'm bored with reading the same, lengthy accounts of her history at hla that lend nothing to the discussion- unnecessarily taking up bandwidth. give everyone a break and stop baiting her to retell the same story over and over and over.
just a simple, one-point question at a time. you might get somewhere with that approach.
and susie, for everyone else's sake, please spare us another telling of your history. pick out your favorite story(ies) and just post the url to it... in the event that someone wants to read it for the umpteenth time. pleasssseeeeee. have mercy. it will save you time too.
"
Post by: Troll Control on December 11, 2005, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 11, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2005, 10:44:00 PM
" I have answered every question put to me."
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 06:48:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 12:57:00 PM
1. In your opinion is HLA behaving ethically and respondsibly by claiming they are a traditional boarding school to the state yet advertising as a theraputic boarding school?
(remember Im asking you for your opinion)
2. Is it your belife that if you did not see something occur it did not happen? I ask this because you doubt any employees were kept on if they touched a student.
3. Was the rationing of food a morally sound tactic?
4. Should HLA accept money paid from insurance companies when they claim to be a traditional boarding school? (again your opinion)
5. Are students ever abused at HLA?
6. Have you sat in on a reals? If not do you know what goes on in them?
7. Does Buch cut cost by forcing students to do the bulk of school maintainance?
8. Does it make sense that the school claimed to treat homosexuality as a disorder when a large number of staff members and the owner himself is gay?
9. Do you feel releasing ANY personal information (irregardless of detail)about a former student is an acceptable practice in the theraputic/medical field?
10. How much time in the average week while living on the school grounds did you spend interacting with students? What sort of interaction were you involved in?
Post by: Troll Control on December 12, 2005, 04:51:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 05:29:00 PM
Hysterical nevertheless though.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 05:31:00 PM
1. In your opinion is HLA behaving ethically and respondsibly by claiming they are a traditional boarding school to the state yet advertising as a theraputic boarding school?
(remember Im asking you for your opinion)
2. Is it your belife that if you did not see something occur it did not happen? I ask this because you doubt any employees were kept on if they touched a student.
3. Was the rationing of food a morally sound tactic?
4. Should HLA accept money paid from insurance companies when they claim to be a traditional boarding school? (again your opinion)
5. Are students ever abused at HLA?
6. Have you sat in on a reals? If not do you know what goes on in them?
7. Does Buch cut cost by forcing students to do the bulk of school maintainance?
8. Does it make sense that the school claimed to treat homosexuality as a disorder when a large number of staff members and the owner himself is gay?
9. Do you feel releasing ANY personal information (irregardless of detail)about a former student is an acceptable practice in the theraputic/medical field?
10. How much time in the average week while living on the school grounds did you spend interacting with students? What sort of interaction were you involved in?
answer to 1: I dont believe its a question of ethics or morality on whether or not they are a traditional boarding school or a therapeutic boarding school. They are unique in what they offer therefore there is a question as to whether they are more one than the other. I think its a matter for the state to decide which catagory they fall more under as far as jurisdiction and regulations, whatever those may be.
answer to 2: I know for a fact that students who were harmed were fired when I was there. So why would they keep employees on if they were known to be abusive? my only guess on this is either there is no proof as to the alleged incident, or it was fabricated by the student, or possibly an issue that was dealt with with reprimanding and punishment of staff member and reassignment rather than firing. The school has no reason to keep abusive staff on when there are other people needing jobs in that field. I never said if I didnt see it it never happened, I just know that some incidents were fabricated and some were blown out of proportion.
answer to 3: I dont believe that it was a questioning of purposefully rationing food. I believe it was a convenience issue because restriction kids were kept apart from the rest of student body and therefore had to eat in other quarters and it was a matter of convenience to make different meals for them, that were easily transferrable. THey were also denied the regular dessert items because those would be considered more of a treat on kids on restrictions were there for a reason, punishment.
answer to 4: Once again, I dont know the insurance regulations for what they pay and dont pay. But if they offer some therapeutic aspects as part of the school I think the insurance should pay for that part. I dont see a problem with it if they agree to pay it.
answer to 5: I never heard or saw a child being abused or otherwise put in negligent danger while I was there. I cant speak for anything now, but while I was there I never heard about any abusive incidents. I know that staff that were not considered in the best interest of the kids were fired but as far as abuse charges I never heard of any nor did I read about any in the paper or heard about any from the numerous staff I knew personally. By the way, I dont consider work as a restriction or having to clean your own dorms abuse. But some kids do. Go figure. Typical for teenagers hahaha
answer to 6: I know what the reals are supposed to consist of but Ive never sat in on one.
answer to 7: Dr. B had at least 5 maintenance workers when I lived on Campus. BillSr, Robert, Lonnie, and 2 or 3 others that changed over the years I was there. There was no cutting of costs and they did the overwhelming majority of maintennance. Sometimes kids on restrictions helped them with things but it was assisting only, that was it. My father in law and ex worked long hours and during the weekends alot, so I can hardly say that students did the work.
answer to 8: ONce again, there is no "large number" of staff who are gay. A few are, most are not. Whether or not this is the case has no bearing on what they said about homosexuality. They didnt "treat" it like a disease to be rid of, they treated it as an issue to be dealt with, because alot of teen suicides have to do with guilt or confusion over sexuality issues and it needs to be discussed so the kids can deal with it in a manner they can accept what and who they are. That is different from treating alcholism and from what I discussed with staff who I was friends with that was why it was part of the things to be dealt with on a therapeutic level.
answer to 9:I think that if the information was of a personal nature such as last name, birthdate, ss number, address then yes it shouldnt be done. But I know what youre insinuating here and a first name and guess at a number of months is not personal information and was not obtained in any illegal form or fashion since it came from memory and not any file. I have 2 lawyers opinions on this as well as a paralegal's. So quit getting all excited about a lawsuit, cuz, it ain't happening.
answer to 10: When I lived on campus, I was on campus every morning delivering mail from the PO box in town. THat meant entering the admin bldg and Bill's office. Sometimes at lunch I ate in the cafeteria when my mother in law was working. And we ate dinner there about once a week. We also ate there every holiday meal such as easter and thanksgiving, etc. We also were on campus for events such as the sledding, the fireworks, the bonfire, field days, plays, and other big events such as that. I also saw students on a daily basis walking by my house. I saw them in town also when they would have functions there. AS far as closeup contact, it was mainly in the cafeteria and during field days and the bonfire and fireworks times. I also personally knew a few of them that Martha and Bill and my ex befriended who worked with her in the kitchen, etc.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
You arent answering the question. If HLA was truly unique and fell into a sort of combined category why wouldnt they simply be honest with the state about their purpose rather than lie about it?
Again your opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>answer to 2: I know for a fact that students who were harmed were fired when I was there. So why would they keep employees on if they were known to be abusive? my only guess on this is either there is no proof as to the alleged incident, or it was fabricated by the student, or possibly an issue that was dealt with with reprimanding and punishment of staff member and reassignment rather than firing. The school has no reason to keep abusive staff on when there are other people needing jobs in that field. I never said if I didnt see it it never happened, I just know that some incidents were fabricated and some were blown out of proportion. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I'll assume you meant staff members who harmed students were fired. However since that is not the case what does that do for your theory? I gave you a very specific example of a staff member who attacked a kid and was not fired. I witnessed many other similar incidents.
Am I lying?
Also how do you "know" the incidents were fabricated or exagerated if you yourself did not wittness them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>answer to 3: I dont believe that it was a questioning of purposefully rationing food. I believe it was a convenience issue because restriction kids were kept apart from the rest of student body and therefore had to eat in other quarters and it was a matter of convenience to make different meals for them, that were easily transferrable. THey were also denied the regular dessert items because those would be considered more of a treat on kids on restrictions were there for a reason, punishment<<<<<<<<<<<<
You arent being honest here. If the situation was as you claim it was then students would be given the same amount of food as the non restriction kids. They were not, they were given signifigantly less. Add that to the fact that they are made to do hours of work assignments and PT. So again I ask you is this a resondsible tactic?
>>>>>>>>>answer to 4: Once again, I dont know the insurance regulations for what they pay and dont pay. But if they offer some therapeutic aspects as part of the school I think the insurance should pay for that part. I dont see a problem with it if they agree to pay it. <<<<<<<<<
A reasonable thought. However since the insurance pays for more than just the therapy is it still okay? Also how does this fit in with your thoughts of HLA being listed as a traditional boarding school? Traditional boarding schools do not offer therapy as part of their regular ciriculum.
>>>>>>>>>>>>answer to 5: I never heard or saw a child being abused or otherwise put in negligent danger while I was there. I cant speak for anything now, but while I was there I never heard about any abusive incidents. I know that staff that were not considered in the best interest of the kids were fired but as far as abuse charges I never heard of any nor did I read about any in the paper or heard about any from the numerous staff I knew personally. By the way, I dont consider work as a restriction or having to clean your own dorms abuse. But some kids do. Go figure. Typical for teenagers hahaha
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Dont be a smart allec. I do not believe many students felt cleaning was abusive. However some of the work assignments might fall into that category.
Made to clean dumpsters with our bare hands and not given any cleaning equipment but a tooth brush.
Made to do a task finish only to have the work destroyed by those supervising and then made to do it again.
Forced to do PT until people became sick and even then made to continue.
Denied medical treatment sometimes for weeks on end.
Even with all this though, that really not what I was asking you about.
Im talking about,
Mental/Emotional Abuse
Sexual Abuse
Physical Abuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>answer to 6: I know what the reals are supposed to consist of but Ive never sat in on one. <<<<<<<<<<<<
Fine, what are they supposed to consist of?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>answer to 7: Dr. B had at least 5 maintenance workers when I lived on Campus. BillSr, Robert, Lonnie, and 2 or 3 others that changed over the years I was there. There was no cutting of costs and they did the overwhelming majority of maintennance. Sometimes kids on restrictions helped them with things but it was assisting only, that was it. My father in law and ex worked long hours and during the weekends alot, so I can hardly say that students did the work. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You say this but you also claimed I was lying about the fact that students were made to clean the bulk of the campus every saturday morning from top to bottom. Since it appears you are unaware of the majority of day to day life at HLA how can you make this claim?
>>>>>>>>answer to 8: ONce again, there is no "large number" of staff who are gay. A few are, most are not. Whether or not this is the case has no bearing on what they said about homosexuality. They didnt "treat" it like a disease to be rid of, they treated it as an issue to be dealt with, because alot of teen suicides have to do with guilt or confusion over sexuality issues and it needs to be discussed so the kids can deal with it in a manner they can accept what and who they are. That is different from treating alcholism and from what I discussed with staff who I was friends with that was why it was part of the things to be dealt with on a therapeutic level. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Again fine but looking at the post made earlier today some kids were sent there by their parents in the hopes of being cured from gayness. Further many kids were pressured to acknowledge that they were gay even if they were not, or at the very least not ready to acknowledge. Also Ill ask you the same thing I asked Aften. Are you taking into account the entire 12 year history and all employees? Further, how can you comment on any of the staffing situation since 2001?
>>>>>>>>>>>answer to 9:I think that if the information was of a personal nature such as last name, birthdate, ss number, address then yes it shouldnt be done. But I know what youre insinuating here and a first name and guess at a number of months is not personal information and was not obtained in any illegal form or fashion since it came from memory and not any file. I have 2 lawyers opinions on this as well as a paralegal's. So quit getting all excited about a lawsuit, cuz, it ain't happening. <<<<<<<<<<<
If you werent worried about it you wouldnt be talking to all these legal experts. And since you arent being honest about the situation on here it would stand to reason you arent being honest with them. We discussed this earlier, when you have access to information, dont think about it for awhile, and then recite what you had previously learned, thats not called guessing its called remembering.
You listed off his first name, the amount of time he spent there, and the time period in which he was there. All information you knew as an employee of HLA.
Mention that to your legal expert friends and then see what they say.
>>>>>>>>>>answer to 10: When I lived on campus, I was on campus every morning delivering mail from the PO box in town. THat meant entering the admin bldg and Bill's office. Sometimes at lunch I ate in the cafeteria when my mother in law was working. And we ate dinner there about once a week. We also ate there every holiday meal such as easter and thanksgiving, etc. We also were on campus for events such as the sledding, the fireworks, the bonfire, field days, plays, and other big events such as that. I also saw students on a daily basis walking by my house. I saw them in town also when they would have functions there. AS far as closeup contact, it was mainly in the cafeteria and during field days and the bonfire and fireworks times. I also personally knew a few of them that Martha and Bill and my ex befriended who worked with her in the kitchen, etc. <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Okay lets take this apart one piece at a time.
You say you spent time in the admin building.
Fine.
Students generally were not allowed in there unless we had good reason and even then it was discouraged. I myself only went in there two or three times.
Next you talk about eating in the cafeteria regurally (a story you have changed) and being present for many holidays. Again fine, why does no one seem to remember you?
Next the events youre talking about (sledding, fireworks ect) were apparently few and far between if ever really occuring at all. As to students walking by your house, unless I am mistaken as to where your house was located the only students you would have ever seen walking by your house would have been runaways. How many of the runaways went down that road?
Next you discuss events in town which didnt occur that often, followed by kids working in the cafeteria. Kids working in the cafeteria would have either been on restriction in which case you would have been asked not to speak with them, or the two or three who for a period of time would work serving food on rare occasions.
This isnt giving you a whole lot of interaction.
Answer my follow up questions, if you need me to make them more direct let me know.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
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On 2005-12-12 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Once again, you are claiming my personal experiences are lies...the kids walked by my house in groups, usually in the mornings, and I think they sometimes went to the cabin down the road. Yes I spoke to kids working in the kitchen, it was allowed to talk to them and they were friendly back. No I did not get the name Devon from any file at all. Yes I talked to legal experts because I wanted to know the law on that issue. How do you know the school lied to the state? which state representative told you that? I want their name. No student ever cleaned the dumpster with a toothbrush. That is a blatant lie Robert. How do I also know you arent lying about Jim Sir? I never heard about any such incident and since you claim it happened while I was there which one of us do you think is telling the truth since he is still there? The students did NOT clean the entire campus every saturday. First off, it wasnt dirty enough to clean every saturday, secondly, I lived there and never saw groups of students doing any such thing on saturday mornings. And yes, I was up early, I had 3 young kids remember? I was awake by 7 or 8 am every morning. Want any more answers Robert? Hand em over."
Umm yes Bullfrog you are a liar.
Either that or incredibly stupid.
Probably both.
>>>>>>>>>the kids walked by my house in groups, usually in the mornings, and I think they sometimes went to the cabin down the road<<<<<<<<
You mean the cabin that was only used for the transition ceremony? How often did those happen Susie? Once every four or five months? Again face facts students did not as a matter of general activity ever go anywhere near your house. Hence why they refered to running away as "going down the road", because the only reason a student would ever venture on that road by himself would be to run away.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes I spoke to kids working in the kitchen, it was allowed to talk to them and they were friendly back.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Students on restriction were not allowed to talk to anyone else. You keep forgetting I was a student there, I do know what happened. Also why would you be in the kitchen after your beloved mother in law left?
>>>>>>>>> No I did not get the name Devon from any file at all.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Then how did you come across his information. Such as his name, the length of time he was there, and the time period?
>>>>>>>>>Yes I talked to legal experts because I wanted to know the law on that issue.<<<<<<<<<
Why scared?
>>>>>>>>>>>How do you know the school lied to the state? which state representative told you that? I want their name. <<<<<<<<<<<<<
I didnt think youd ask this type of question, since I already gave you the nessecary information to check for yourself..twice. I know how afraid you are of both me and the truth, this truly is suprising.
I know because I asked. Her name is Caroline Winste she works for ORS in GA. I posted her email address on here somewhere, find it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>No student ever cleaned the dumpster with a toothbrush. That is a blatant lie Robert.<<<<<<<<
Oh but its not. I personally took part in that theraputic ritual. Im interested to know though, how do you know its a lie. Were you there the entire time? Watching every restriction and work assingment? Or does this just fall into the category of, "If you didnt hear it didnt happen."
>>>>>>>>>>How do I also know you arent lying about Jim Sir? I never heard about any such incident and since you claim it happened while I was there which one of us do you think is telling the truth since he is still there?<<<<<<<<
I saw it happen Bullfrog you didnt. My testimony on all things HLA related carries more weight then yours. Accept that. I'll tell you what though, since your such great pals with him, call Jim up and ask him about it.
I'd be willing to bet he remembers it. The kids name was Blake. Then come back here and apologize.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The students did NOT clean the entire campus every saturday. First off, it wasnt dirty enough to clean every saturday, secondly, I lived there and never saw groups of students doing any such thing on saturday mornings. And yes, I was up early, I had 3 young kids remember? I was awake by 7 or 8 am every morning. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
All you had to say is "I never saw it, so it never happened."
You could even use that as your new catch phrase to replace the tired and worn out, "I have answered every question put to me. I have two disabled family members to take care of."
Bullfrog you keep forgetting I was there. I participated in all of these things youre claiming never happened, and I wasnt alone. You lived in a house about what a hundred yards away from the main campus? You had no clue as to what was going on there. You never did. Why continue to embarress yourself?
>>>>>>>>>Want any more answers Robert? Hand em over.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yes Bullfrog there were several issues you did not address. Go back and try try again.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
I have no idea why groups of kids walked down the road at least on a weekly basis. I saw them often. They looked like they were working. Some had shovels on occasion. I saw some planting flowers around the sign at the main road. I saw others hanging around the old cabin sometimes. I saw some riding in the maintenance trucks at times. I also saw runaways. But the groups were obviously not runaways. Runaways were one at a time and not that often.
AS far as the legal issue, I am not scared at all, I actually talked to legal experts due to the libelous things YOU have said about me, and the topic of what you claim I did being illegal came up. OH and by the way Mr. Bruce, you can be sued for what you said about me and about my son's father. But what I did is not illegal, nor libelous. Calling someone you don't know anything about personally a child abusing money grubbing skank ho who needs to have their children taken away because she is a bad neglectful mother and who cheated on her husband and got kicked to the curb is libelous and immature at the very least. Not to mention, of course, untrue. So, I wanted legal advice on that, Me scared? hardly.
If you spoke to someone at the state about the schools status and you claim they operate illegally why arent they shut down? Maybe its because they arent operating in any way that they can be shut down for.
As far as the toothbrush thing, that never happened when I was there and since you were there when I was supposedly, one of us is lying. And its not me.
And yes my house was 100 yards down the road, it was however, on campus, and I was there far, far longer than you. And everything I just stated is the honest truth and what I really saw and really experienced while there, And I knew more employees than you, and I knew more things about staff than you realize. So quit calling me a liar because you know I am not lying. You don't want these readers on here to think you are a liar so you call me one. Well guess what, since I am not lying, which one of us is?
Robert I am tired of saying the same things over and over and over again and even though its the truth you dont want to believe it and I can almost picture you covering your eyes and ears and saying no no its not what I believe therefore it cant be right. I know I dont want to keep repeating myself over and over again with the same old damn stories and I am sure nobody else wants to read these boring ass memories of mine but your so dense you insist I do. So why dont you just call me a bitch and Ill call you an asshole and be done with it. THis is getting old and boring and I really have better things to do with my time.
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2005, 11:28:00 PM
makes me more skeptical of many of Hidden Lake's practices of handling issues that will inevitably arise in that type of facility.
Let me state a few of my own experiences which have disappointed me.
I pulled my son because I felt that although the facility had done a good job at the beginning, I wanted him to continue therapy that I could immediately be a part of. I didn't feel he was getting anything of value from the facility, and that in fact, he was reverting back to the same tendencies that had brought him to Hidden Lake to begin with.
Money was definitely an issue for my family-we are a little behind, but not anything that we hadn't intended on paying. He had been there almost a year. I called Cates and explained the situation, was swiftly shifted to Gray, and then later phoned by his therapist, and of course, they each attempted to try to guilt me into keeping him there- that I wans't qualified to handle a child like mine-that I didn't have over 10 years of experience with teens, even tough I have an older child that is 18. No dice I insisted- I wanted my child back close to me.
My son was well liked and a pretty good student- always polite at HLA. The staff claim to care about my child, however, refuse to release school documents enabling him to enroll in another private school close to my home. They sent his personal belongings in a used, oil stained, food box. They sent his meds in another box days later. They sent his meds UPS ground. These meds are necessary to be taken DAILY- they are mood stabilizers. All boxes were sent COD. After the school had received thousands of dollars.
I think that is rude and un-caring and makes me feel that the school had only their best interests at heart and not my childs.
I am tired of people saying they care about children when they really only care about themselves. The school of this caliber needs to be more professional than this. Parents expect and deserve this.
This holiday season makes me thankful that I have my child close to me again, but I am not confident that I actually made the right decision in sending my child to that facility in the first place. That is sad to me.
It will haunt me for many years to come.
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 12:18:00 AM
Soooo, you have seen the underbelly. I feel certain that they hold as much disdain for the parents as they do the kids.
Pressuring, guilt-tripping a parent to leave their kid there- so pathetically desperate. Summons up an image of Dr Phil on a 'I'm the expert' rant.
If you haven't, sincerely apologize. It goes a long way!! Kids are different, but if he wants it, genuinely listen and validate his experience. Tell him you want to hear it all- the good, bad and the ugly. It's possible that he was told that you didn't care. If that is the case, it should be addressed. No kid needs to wonder about that.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 12:24:00 AM
But again youve changed your story on this many times. Let me ask you, who was watching your own children while you spent all this time up there with us. And why does almost no one remember you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I have no idea why groups of kids walked down the road at least on a weekly basis. I saw them often. They looked like they were working. Some had shovels on occasion. I saw some planting flowers around the sign at the main road. I saw others hanging around the old cabin sometimes. I saw some riding in the maintenance trucks at times. I also saw runaways. But the groups were obviously not runaways. Runaways were one at a time and not that often.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Interesting, you mentioned just a short time ago that students didnt do maintaince. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>AS far as the legal issue, I am not scared at all, I actually talked to legal experts due to the libelous things YOU have said about me, and the topic of what you claim I did being illegal came up. OH and by the way Mr. Bruce, you can be sued for what you said about me and about my son's father. But what I did is not illegal, nor libelous. Calling someone you don't know anything about personally a child abusing money grubbing skank ho who needs to have their children taken away because she is a bad neglectful mother and who cheated on her husband and got kicked to the curb is libelous and immature at the very least. Not to mention, of course, untrue. So, I wanted legal advice on that, Me scared? hardly. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
By all means sue me then. Also you only highlight your own fear of me and the truth by refusing to answer the questions put to you. Espically on this issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>If you spoke to someone at the state about the schools status and you claim they operate illegally why arent they shut down? Maybe its because they arent operating in any way that they can be shut down for. <<<<<<<<<<<<
At last check the investigation was still underway. However I do not feel ORS can simply shut the school down. They can however force to be properly licensed.
Do you feel they are licensed properly?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the toothbrush thing, that never happened when I was there and since you were there when I was supposedly, one of us is lying. And its not me. <<<<<<<<<<<
Oh but it is. Further you have not explained how it is you KNOW this event never occured. Please do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>And yes my house was 100 yards down the road, it was however, on campus, and I was there far, far longer than you. And everything I just stated is the honest truth and what I really saw and really experienced while there, And I knew more employees than you, and I knew more things about staff than you realize. So quit calling me a liar because you know I am not lying. You don't want these readers on here to think you are a liar so you call me one. Well guess what, since I am not lying, which one of us is?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It's you, weve been over this. Tell me something, what difference does the amount of time you spent on campus make if you never spent any substantial time with the students? What difference does it make how well you knew the staff members if you didnt see how they treated us?
Youre a liar Susie. You lie to abate your own guilt. I can prove that you are a liar, whereas you cannot do the same with me. How many times must I say the same thing over and over again?
My testimony carries more weight then yours does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Robert I am tired of saying the same things over and over and over again and even though its the truth you dont want to believe it and I can almost picture you covering your eyes and ears and saying no no its not what I believe therefore it cant be right. I know I dont want to keep repeating myself over and over again with the same old damn stories and I am sure nobody else wants to read these boring ass memories of mine but your so dense you insist I do. So why dont you just call me a bitch and Ill call you an asshole and be done with it. THis is getting old and boring and I really have better things to do with my time<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
:grin: Again you have us confused. I am able to answer every question put to me, you on the other hand are forced to pick and choose and occasionaly run and hide out of fear. This is because youre afraid of the truth and I am not. Look at your own statements, insisting things arent true simply because you didnt know about them. Or maybe you simply dont want to admit you did know about them and still put food on your table from organized child abuse. You have not been able to back up a single claim since you arrived here, yet still you stomp your feet and swear you are right. Youre a child Mrs. Gray. A simple spoiled child who's crying because shes not getting her way. Sorry Bullfrog you should have never left your eden, there you were always right, but out here the truth prevails.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 12:34:00 AM
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On 2005-12-12 20:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think for the most part, your answers seem to be fair and reasonable to Robert's questions. But in fairness, Robert raises some disturbing questions and
makes me more skeptical of many of Hidden Lake's practices of handling issues that will inevitably arise in that type of facility.
Let me state a few of my own experiences which have disappointed me.
I pulled my son because I felt that although the facility had done a good job at the beginning, I wanted him to continue therapy that I could immediately be a part of. I didn't feel he was getting anything of value from the facility, and that in fact, he was reverting back to the same tendencies that had brought him to Hidden Lake to begin with.
Money was definitely an issue for my family-we are a little behind, but not anything that we hadn't intended on paying. He had been there almost a year. I called Cates and explained the situation, was swiftly shifted to Gray, and then later phoned by his therapist, and of course, they each attempted to try to guilt me into keeping him there- that I wans't qualified to handle a child like mine-that I didn't have over 10 years of experience with teens, even tough I have an older child that is 18. No dice I insisted- I wanted my child back close to me.
My son was well liked and a pretty good student- always polite at HLA. The staff claim to care about my child, however, refuse to release school documents enabling him to enroll in another private school close to my home. They sent his personal belongings in a used, oil stained, food box. They sent his meds in another box days later. They sent his meds UPS ground. These meds are necessary to be taken DAILY- they are mood stabilizers. All boxes were sent COD. After the school had received thousands of dollars.
I think that is rude and un-caring and makes me feel that the school had only their best interests at heart and not my childs.
I am tired of people saying they care about children when they really only care about themselves. The school of this caliber needs to be more professional than this. Parents expect and deserve this.
This holiday season makes me thankful that I have my child close to me again, but I am not confident that I actually made the right decision in sending my child to that facility in the first place. That is sad to me.
It will haunt me for many years to come.
Im glad you discovered the truth about them before it was to late. I cannot stress how quickly you should get your son into counseling. He will have difficulty adjusting back into a world where everyone is held accountable for their actions and where he isnt punished for telling the truth, having his own thoughts, or his own feelings. He will also need help adjusting to the fact that he can make many of his own choices now. As well as being able tell people what he thinks without fear of consequence at the hands of sadist.
I can tell you from my own experiences in escaping from them, they tried the same nonsense with me. I say tried because when they threatened me with it as I was leaving I threatened right back with something much worse. I got my transcripts sealed and given to me in hand right then.
Apologize to your son but tell him you were out of options. Tell him you want to help him get through his time there and you only want him to be happy and to do whats best for him. Allow him to be apart of the process in finding a new counsoler, make sure its one HE can trust. That is going to be the biggest issue for a long time. After living in a society where he has been encouraged to betray others for cheap favors it will take him time to trust others again espically authority figures.
I think the previous poster has the right ideas as well. Please post on here any updates or any other concerns the people who are commited to the truth can help you with.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 13, 2005, 03:43:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 13, 2005, 03:53:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 11:44:00 AM
Yes you have thats been shown many times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You have decided you want to pick apart and twist statements to suit you.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Which statements have I twisted? Specifically list them off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was on campus my children were either with me or at school. I do not leave toddlers home alone.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yet again though almost no one remembers you. A point you have yet to address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where is your proof you are not lying Robert? You are only saying you arent. Same as me but why are you more correct than me? You aren't. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Oh but I am. My proof lies in the testimony of others. We cant all be lying about the same thing now can we bullfrog?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You aren't. Everything I have posted is what actually happened.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Well you arent really focusing on things you claim did happen, you spend more time talking about things you think didnt happen. Things you have yet to offer a basis for. For example, you have yet to explain how you KNOW students were not made to clean the dumpster with nothing but a toothbrush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NO the children didn't do maintenance, they did work assignments around campus during restrictions. That is not the majority of maintenance now is it? No, its not.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HAHAHA and what bullfrog do you think the work assingments consisted of?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the issue of properly licensed, since I am not an expert in that area, I have no idea which license you or the state feels is proper. I am sure the state will sort that out. If they have operated with the state's ok for almost 12 years I doubt seriously they are doing anything illegal. The state actually did a commendation last year honoring them for their work.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Why are we still discussing this Bullfrog? I PROVED to you that HLA advertises as a theraputic boarding school, I also provided you the means to see for yourself that they are registered with the state as a traditional boarding school. There really isnt a question anymore. Its beyond obvious at this point they are circumventing the law by not being honest with the state regarding their true purpose. Its unfortunate you are far to narrow minded to be open to the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You continue to insult and belittle me however I have not done that to you. Which one is more of a child Robert?<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Again you are. Oh and for the record you have done such things. Just last night in fact you called me an asshole. Do you need other examples?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you feel you personally were abused I am sorry about that, but you dont offer specifics at all.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You probably dont. Let me ask you though what difference would it make to you what sort of abuse I suffered? Ive given countless examples of other atrocities. Why do you feel you need more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion of dorms that were not maintained is kind of general. How bad were they? which ones were bad? What do you consider a long time to get things fixed?<<<<<<<<<<<
Kind of general? Bullfrog I listed off the specific complaints that we brought to your husband. We also brought him pictures but he didnt care about those either. I still have them if youd like to see. As far as reasonable in getting things fixed, well let me ask you. If you called a plumber to come and fix a problem and he said "See you in six months" would you consider that reasonable? Espically considering how much money you had already given him? Also you have still not explained why it matters which dorm I was in, you never went in them anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What kind of vermin? if it was mice I had them in my own home. Its the woods in North Georgia. AS far as bugs, what kind of bugs? I could go on and on but see you dont offer specifics of your own abuse. <<<<<<<<<<<
So because your own home was filthy ours should be as well. But no more than mice. As far as bugs go, let me offer you this little story. At one point Jim explained to us how to recognize a Black Widow and what to do if we saw one in the dorm as their had been several reports. Again there is much more to tell, none of which matters to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And again, let me point out something. You did something to get sent there in the first place<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
Actually I didn't. I was placed and kept their illegally. I wonder though how is it you think you know how I ended up there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. It wasnt supposed to be a luxury experience. Its not a dump either.<<<<<<<<
I see so again you feel that 5,000+ a month is reasonable given the squalor we lived in? I mentioned to you before bullfrog, I pay almost as much for one month of HLA as I do now for a semester of college. Which do you think I get more out of? Oh and yes it was a dump, and abusive to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But Robert just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you the right to say the things you have said about me and say lies about me and call me a liar because I am not one.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yet it gives you the right to? Get over yourself bullfrog. You are a liar. How many claims of mine have I backed up? Several. How many have you backed up? Zero. Ive got all kinds of testimony behind me, youve got nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Like I said, this is getting real old. The bottom line is you are mean, verbally abusive, insulting, and immature. I have tried very hard to argue with you in a civil fashion over our points. You can't do it. Its a waste of time for me to think you are capable of it. <<<<<<<<
Show me where you were ever civil. Like I said youre a child who is upset shes not getting her way. You should have never left HLA if you cant handle being wrong. I treat people in the same manner in which they treat others. You came on here calling us all degenerates and liars. Dont cry now when you are treated the same way.
Oh and again, I was able to respond to every comment you made. You had to pick and choose.
Like I said youre afraid. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-12-13 08:45 ]
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
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On 2005-12-13 00:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now, I want to respond to the parent. I am sorry this experience happened to you. I am not there now so I dont know which employee packaged your sons things. My mother in law used to work in that dept and they did use some kitchen boxes however they were the dry goods ones and were clean. Sounds like an error for sure. As far as transcripts I dont know about that one but I think there is some sort of procedure to follow to get it and I am thinking youll get it back eventually. I do think in some instances some kids dont need to be in a residential facility. I think other kids need to be away from home. Its just different for some than others. I think the COD issue with the box is probably their rule if kids were withdrawn prior to graduation but thats just a guess really. I am just offering my opinion of what happened since I dont work there or live there anymore I am using my experiences from when I was there. So I am sorry if I end up being incorrect on some of these. But anyway, dont kick yourself too much about the school, it is a good facility overall but not a good fit for some kids and maybe it wasnt right for your son. There are good people there and most have the kids best interests in mind. I dont know everybody there anymore so I cant speak for all. Good luck with his continued progress.
"
An error that they routinley make? That almost sounds like policy. "Try and screw the kids over who escape our greedy grasps."
Its a good facility? How so? How can be sure of such a thing? Do you know what the end results are?
If a kid is abused there is that in his best interest?
Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
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On 2005-12-13 00:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Now, I want to respond to the parent. I am sorry this experience happened to you. I am not there now so I dont know which employee packaged your sons things. My mother in law used to work in that dept and they did use some kitchen boxes however they were the dry goods ones and were clean. Sounds like an error for sure. As far as transcripts I dont know about that one but I think there is some sort of procedure to follow to get it and I am thinking youll get it back eventually. I do think in some instances some kids dont need to be in a residential facility. I think other kids need to be away from home. Its just different for some than others. I think the COD issue with the box is probably their rule if kids were withdrawn prior to graduation but thats just a guess really. I am just offering my opinion of what happened since I dont work there or live there anymore I am using my experiences from when I was there. So I am sorry if I end up being incorrect on some of these. But anyway, dont kick yourself too much about the school, it is a good facility overall but not a good fit for some kids and maybe it wasnt right for your son. There are good people there and most have the kids best interests in mind. I dont know everybody there anymore so I cant speak for all. Good luck with his continued progress.
"
Got a few questions for you, Miss, uh, Gray?
Must have been an error? Mood stabilizers getting shipped home UPS ground sounds like an ERROR to you? You don't believe me? What if I told you I have a scanned envelope of your "error"?
COD's are just, really, a guess? Tell you what. Start making guesses when all of your personal effects get sent home in split-open boxes and you don't have your mood stabilizers.
Sorry on some of these? Damn right you should be sorry. If you haven't been there in the past six months, you can't say anything about a leaf falling off a tree on that campus, let alone anything that happens in a building or anything at all for that matter. Maybe you should distance yourself from portraying the image to all of us as the silly little dog humping Len's leg.
Can't speak for all? Can't speak for ANY.
Good luck on his progress. Sounds like something Charles Cates or your "ex" would say right as they deny something that's legally their own.
Do us, yourself, and everyone on this board a favor -- just don't say ANYTHING, cause it's quite obvious you know NOTHING about what you claim to say.
Post by: joe dirt on December 13, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
ill tell you what, it was cleaning the overflow from the dumpsters that had been festering for weeks, no gloves allowed. it was remaking memorial garden, it was fixing the drainage system, and doing maintenance work like cleaning the bathrooms in the gym and lodge. once i had to dig a trench around the staff parking lot so they could install extremely unneccesary lights. what a waste of money
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 13, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
I sure hope so.
Post by: Licensed Medical Professi on December 14, 2005, 12:09:00 AM
In my opinion, and the opinions of the six other physicians in my practice who followed my HLA misadventure with me, HLA is a predator whose prey is the horrified parents of disturbed teens. It is an institution of opportunity, bringing home its bottom line at the expense of the desperate, frazzled families it exploits.
By the time most parents are introduced to HLA, they've already been through a costly and demoralizing gauntlet of police stations, court appearances, counselor visits, psychiatric evaluations...even hospital visits.
To say they are desperate is an understatement. They are trying to keep their families from self-destructing. In most cases, the only option is turning the child out onto the streets: most insurance policies won't cover mental health care, and even if a family is lucky enough to have good coverage, it is limited to short, individual events. Deeply needed inpatient care is rarely an option for most of these families.
So even considering a modality such as a therapeutic boarding school is a true extravagance. Actually sending the student may mean mortgaging a home, selling it, or even bancruptcy.
Enter Hidden Lake and its ilk.
I was asked by the parents of a young teen to evaluate HLA by its Web site. What stood out to me even more than the philosophy that medical therapy was discouraged were the many typographical errors and careless mistakes on nearly every page of the site. While my own writing is not perfect, I am not registered as a boarding school, responsible for the education of children, presumably overflowing with teachers more than capable of proofreading the very materials provided to the public for the purpose of attracting business.
When I brought my concerns to the attention to the school, they were received with, well, less than warm gratitude. My comments to HLA were meant to be constructive. I was gracious and self-effacing in my original letter because the last thing I wanted was to offend the school. Clearly such niceties were a waste of effort.
Given that the parents are expected to pay upwards of seven thousand dollars per month for the privilege of sending their child to a therapeutic boarding school, I actually expected a minimum of civility. None was evident.
My credentials were questioned?this from an institution whose methods are questionable, at best, from a medical (and psychiatric, I might add) point of view.
Fast forward a few months...and imagine how surprised I was to come across the story of the parent in the previous posts. Am I shocked HLA will not send the child's transcripts? Nope. They demonstrated their pettiness, immaturity, and curious vindictiveness to me, a peer and potential referral base a long time ago. Was I surprised that personal belongings, including necessary daily medications, were sent COD?by ground? Actually, yes.
Not only did that shock me, it caused me to pick up the phone and discuss this gross mismanagement of a patient's medications with a malpractice attorney, who recommends HLA check to be sure their insurance premiums are paid.
To the parent: my suggestion is that you alert your attorney to your experience. Gather all proof of your allegations, including the boxes the personal effects were sent in, the COD receipt(s), the condition of any damaged items, a list of missing items, if any, and proof of payments made to HLA. Regardless of any contract signed (as a previous Anonymous poster cryptically stated), a minimum level of responsibility to the patient's health is required by ANY institution. That minimum includes making reasonable arrangements for the patient to have access to their medications. COD shipping by ground is not, by any standard, "reasonable."
So guess what, parent? You may be getting a sizeable percentage of the "investment" HLA coerced you to pay them right back into your pocket.
I'll be cheering for you from this sideline.
Post by: Troll Control on December 14, 2005, 10:58:00 AM
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On 2005-12-13 21:09:00, Licensed Medical Professional wrote:Thank you for your well-thought and insightful post, Doc. My experience working at HLA at its inception is parallel to yours a decade later. It seems there hasn't been any positive change in HLA's policy or its administrators' demeanor.
"My experience with Hidden Lake Academy was also distressing.
In my opinion, and the opinions of the six other physicians in my practice who followed my HLA misadventure with me, HLA is a predator whose prey is the horrified parents of disturbed teens. It is an institution of opportunity, bringing home its bottom line at the expense of the desperate, frazzled families it exploits.
By the time most parents are introduced to HLA, they've already been through a costly and demoralizing gauntlet of police stations, court appearances, counselor visits, psychiatric evaluations...even hospital visits.
To say they are desperate is an understatement. They are trying to keep their families from self-destructing. In most cases, the only option is turning the child out onto the streets: most insurance policies won't cover mental health care, and even if a family is lucky enough to have good coverage, it is limited to short, individual events. Deeply needed inpatient care is rarely an option for most of these families.
So even considering a modality such as a therapeutic boarding school is a true extravagance. Actually sending the student may mean mortgaging a home, selling it, or even bancruptcy.
Enter Hidden Lake and its ilk.
I was asked by the parents of a young teen to evaluate HLA by its Web site. What stood out to me even more than the philosophy that medical therapy was discouraged were the many typographical errors and careless mistakes on nearly every page of the site. While my own writing is not perfect, I am not registered as a boarding school, responsible for the education of children, presumably overflowing with teachers more than capable of proofreading the very materials provided to the public for the purpose of attracting business.
When I brought my concerns to the attention to the school, they were received with, well, less than warm gratitude. My comments to HLA were meant to be constructive. I was gracious and self-effacing in my original letter because the last thing I wanted was to offend the school. Clearly such niceties were a waste of effort.
Given that the parents are expected to pay upwards of seven thousand dollars per month for the privilege of sending their child to a therapeutic boarding school, I actually expected a minimum of civility. None was evident.
My credentials were questioned?this from an institution whose methods are questionable, at best, from a medical (and psychiatric, I might add) point of view.
Fast forward a few months...and imagine how surprised I was to come across the story of the parent in the previous posts. Am I shocked HLA will not send the child's transcripts? Nope. They demonstrated their pettiness, immaturity, and curious vindictiveness to me, a peer and potential referral base a long time ago. Was I surprised that personal belongings, including necessary daily medications, were sent COD?by ground? Actually, yes.
Not only did that shock me, it caused me to pick up the phone and discuss this gross mismanagement of a patient's medications with a malpractice attorney, who recommends HLA check to be sure their insurance premiums are paid.
To the parent: my suggestion is that you alert your attorney to your experience. Gather all proof of your allegations, including the boxes the personal effects were sent in, the COD receipt(s), the condition of any damaged items, a list of missing items, if any, and proof of payments made to HLA. Regardless of any contract signed (as a previous Anonymous poster cryptically stated), a minimum level of responsibility to the patient's health is required by ANY institution. That minimum includes making reasonable arrangements for the patient to have access to their medications. COD shipping by ground is not, by any standard, "reasonable."
So guess what, parent? You may be getting a sizeable percentage of the "investment" HLA coerced you to pay them right back into your pocket.
I'll be cheering for you from this sideline."
Again, I must say I find it extremely ironic that, as an institution, HLA's behavior is contraindicative of its "mission statement."
Doc, can you provide any details about how HLA is currently licensed and some insight into how its practices compare to normal, accepted, ethical business and treatment practices?
Thank you in advance. I'll be checking for your reply.
Post by: Troll Control on December 15, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
Mrs. Gray Robert
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 08:19:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 08:21:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
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On 2005-12-15 17:21:00, Anonymous wrote:Fuck yea!!!!
"I miss Suzanne and that tight little juicy box of hers, man caould she suck a dick too! Anyone know how I can get back in contact with her?"
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 15, 2005, 10:43:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 15, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
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On 2005-12-15 19:43:00, Anonymous wrote:whats a matta?? Dont like pussy ? :scared:
"Losers ::ftard:: "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 12:14:00 AM
I mean I can imagien Susie calling her boss up crying about having to many questions she couldnt answer, and being upset that the latest tactics werent working so they had to try something new.
This is what we are left with.
I guess we will know the truth if Bullfrog reemerges.
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 12:23:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 12:27:00 AM
They expose themselves and scurry off when the lights (or truth) comes on.
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
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On 2005-12-15 21:27:00, RobertBruce wrote:I love suzanne, she rocks!! ::heart::
"True but she and they are rather similar to a cockroach.
They expose themselves and scurry off when the lights (or truth) comes on. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
Her boss of course being Buch.
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 07:51:00 PM
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On 2005-12-16 16:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:Who said I was her boss? She adores my juicy cock
"Really I thought her boss was gay and wasnt into that sort of thing?
Her boss of course being Buch. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 08:16:00 PM
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On 2005-12-16 17:16:00, RobertBruce wrote:Her secret lover...She has the niceset titties Ive seen in many a day...MMMMMMM
"Oh so you arent Buch then? Yet you seem to work for him much as Bullfrog and Aften do. Are you her husband or that vagrant she and I discussed earlier?"
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
So what does Buch pay you to come on here and attempt to detract from the conversation regarding the atrocities and illegal activities of HLA?
Or do you just work directly for Marty?
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2005, 08:26:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 16, 2005, 08:57:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on December 17, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
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On 2005-12-16 17:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You don't LOVE HLA?? Whatsa matta wicha???? Suzanne Gray just took a facial from me!! Want me to post the pic?"
oooooooooooh. nasty! froggie fucker. gross. "my tadpole's daddy..."
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 03:18:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
Ask your boss as well.
Oh and again thank you for acknowledging that you are in fact a staff member.
Typical behavior from those parents are supposed to trust their children with.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 03:50:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
But really you arent answering the questions.
What department do you work in at HLA?
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 13:20:00, RobertBruce wrote:That, my dear friend, is absolutely NONE of your concern...
"Well she was called on her promisques behavior earlier which she admantly denied.
But really you arent answering the questions.
What department do you work in at HLA?"
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
Susie is incredibly weak and stupid. Yet despite all these facts about her she still has a VERY high opinion of herself. Albeit misguided though it may be.
She cant accept the fact that she has been proven wrong on countless occasions, anymore than she can stand the truth of the fact that the food she fed her children with came from organized child abuse. Or that she herself was associated with it. Shed rather stomp her feet and swear "it isnt so". There's also way to many questions that Susie is afraid to answer. Questions give Susie headaches. Shes scared to death of us and the truth. So after confering with Marty, Joe, Buch and her ex she was told to create this new persona. Anything to keep from addressing the real issues concerning the atrocities that go on at HLA.
But the truth is I can play this game as well as she can.
So tell me Susie, what do you think of this new evidence which again proves HLA claims to be two seperate and very distinct things?
If it isnt Susie its just another stooge. As far as Im concerned its all the same thing. They all work for the same person, working towards the same cause. Oh and they all end up giving up in the end, because you just cant defeat the truth.
It always comes out in the end.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 13:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteThat, my dear friend, is absolutely NONE of your concern..."
On 2005-12-17 13:20:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Well she was called on her promisques behavior earlier which she admantly denied.
But really you arent answering the questions.
What department do you work in at HLA?"
Really why is that? Maybe chief envelope stuffer? Or are you even higher up on the list?
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 04:55:00 PM
HAHAHAA.
What a joke.
So very very professional.
By all means though if youd like to try take your best shot. I'd love the oppurtunity to say what I'd do is justified (not that it isnt already).
But please tell me, how is the FACT that there is listed by the very organizations that HLA sought accredidation from showing that HLA list itself as both a traditional boarding school, and a theraputic boarding school, horse shit?
Now given the fact that youre:
A. Incredibly biased for the source of your paycheck.
B. Incredibly biased for the source of your sadistic fantasies.
C. Incredibly stupid hence why you have trouble comprehending the facts as they are presented in front of you.
No one expects much from you. However perhaps you should not speak out on things claiming facts when anyone with half a brain can plainly see how very very wrong you are.
Like I said the truth always comes out in the end.
However I never say no to a good laugh, so if youd like to try and explain to me how HLA is somehow magically a theraputic boarding school AND a traditional one legally, I'd love to hear it.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 05:09:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 14:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why is it so hard to fathom? Its both you knitwit!! I assure you Mr.Bruce, your opening up a can of worms here, and I would not recommend doing such. Please drop your cynical, undermining attitude..You guys can not do anything to change what we are, and what we are is SIMPLE: A helpful, caring, stern but loving enviroment for youths..Got it? Good... :grin:
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:25:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 14:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You vindictive little bastard. When people are satisfied with a product or service, they usually are quiet and satisfied.It's the babies who are unsatisfied that raise a stink. This board is just a handful of brats that like to whine.Thats all. 95% of our old students loved the time we shared at HLA and have lives now, no need to come on a board and fight with little pussy's like yourself...As kindly stated before, if your ass is a chinese restraunt, Ill have the pu-pu platter"
WTF? Pu pu platter? Are you high?
In between tokes perhaps you could tell me where you got your number of 95%. Is every student surveyed post HLA? No one ever called me. As far as I know the majority of people I speak to from there were never called just to see if they were satisfied with what they got from HLA and how things had turned out for them. Also are the ones who do manage to straighten up indebted to HLA for any change? If so why?
Also please go further into me being a "pussy". I find this to be very very interesting and would love to hear more about it. I mean Im the one who brought the fight to you, not the other way around.
Oh and again who is whining? Im simply sharing the truth.
Perhaps you could try it.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:35:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:39:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 14:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont know what you are talking about here. My daughter mailed the phone some time ago. She does not have it. She mailed it that Monday or Tuesday after you paid for it. I don't appreciate being called a liar. She used my account and when you sent your money, it wound up going into her paypal not mine so I think I want you to take it up with her, but she did mail it. She's using my old phone now. This is the time of year the mail runs slow. I'm not sure why you haven't received it yet but you should have. Rhonda
Ummm, I think you are on the wrong board Rhonda..This a place for little brats to complain about a good school that they just couldnt handle...
"
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:40:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 14:35:00, Anonymous wrote:Ummm, I think you are on the wrong board Rhonda..This a place for little brats to complain about a good school that they just couldnt handle...
"I dont know what you are talking about here. My daughter mailed the phone some time ago. She does not have it. She mailed it that Monday or Tuesday after you paid for it. I don't appreciate being called a liar. She used my account and when you sent your money, it wound up going into her paypal not mine so I think I want you to take it up with her, but she did mail it. She's using my old phone now. This is the time of year the mail runs slow. I'm not sure why you haven't received it yet but you should have. Rhonda
"
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 14:56:00, RobertBruce wrote:Not from what Im told :scared: :lol:
"Oh but I did handle it. It was it that couldnt handle me. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
Well then for that to be the case you would have to know who I am.
So by all means announce it.
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On 2005-12-17 15:03:00, RobertBruce wrote:No need for that my son, no need, just continue on, whining and complaing like a lil puss boy...I love it!! :wave:
"Is that right?
Well then for that to be the case you would have to know who I am.
So by all means announce it. "
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:18:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteNo need for that my son, no need, just continue on, whining and complaing like a lil puss boy...I love it!! :wave: "
On 2005-12-17 15:03:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Is that right?
Well then for that to be the case you would have to know who I am.
So by all means announce it. "
Oh I will dont worry. So long as you keep highlighting the kinds of people that are hired to care for children at HLA. I love it!! :wave:
Oh and just because I know youre full of shit, and I want to illustrate to others how very stupid you are. Offer up a single detail about my time at HLA that you would know only from knowing who I am.
If you can do that I'll buy that you do indeed know.
But since you dont, I know you wont. Thanks for reinforcing that. Oh and again, keep up the good work. It makes our job much easier. :grin:
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who is this Robert Bruce character? What was so bad about Hidden Lake? I loved it and am thankful everyday that mt parents found the right place to get me on the right track- Mike Lowendowski "
Thank God for it Mike. What peer group were you in? I'm here to highlight some of the....more honest things about HLA they might not want revealed to prospective clients. As well speak for those who did not find it as enjoyable as you did.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 06:27:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:28:00 PM
Im shocked.
Youve got me.
I didnt know you could read.
Find something I havent posted on here dipshit.
Like I said I know you cant, thanks again.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 06:30:00 PM
:silly:
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:33:00 PM
However if thats the case, which it isnt, offer up some detail.
Accept the fact that you cant.
You should have no trouble doing so, dont you idiots preach something about accepting the things you cannot change?
Put this one on your list, along with the truth about HLA.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 15:20:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2005-12-17 15:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Who is this Robert Bruce character? What was so bad about Hidden Lake? I loved it and am thankful everyday that mt parents found the right place to get me on the right track- Mike Lowendowski "
Thank God for it Mike. What peer group were you in? I'm here to highlight some of the....more honest things about HLA they might not want revealed to prospective clients. As well speak for those who did not find it as enjoyable as you did. "
Uhh no Mike this one was for you. Wow.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:47:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
You see several former students got together and started networking to others until eventually there were hundreds with several goals in mind as it relates to HLA. We began among other activities posting on websites such as this to inform prospective parents the reality of what goes on at HLA. Now the HLA staff has to respond, not just to us but to current students who occasionaly post on here during their breaks. They are of course punished but the truth is still coming to light.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
Another exaggeration by Mr. Robert Bruce
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:29:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 16:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
""hundreds with several goals in mind"
Another exaggeration by Mr. Robert Bruce "
Is that a fact. What a sad and stupid person you are. How do you know its an exageration? What is your basis? You have none. Just as you cant back up any of your retarded comments.
Again accept that.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
It has to be a good reason, I'm not going to be willing to give ol Joe and Marty new names to add to their mailing list of people to try and scare off.
Also tell me why you have reason to doubt me?
None.
Youre just scared I'm telling the truth. Well trust me I am. HLA staffers made a point of how we needed to be responsible, and accept the consequences for our actions.
Well now its their turn.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 09:09:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
You only show more and more how much HLA has to fear.
Youre only hurting yourself and helping us.
Thanks again and thank your owner the Buch.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 09:52:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 09:57:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:If you knew who I really was, you would recanter that statement, I can promise you that...
"The reason this immature pornographic bantering back and forth is proof that this person does not work for HLA is the fact that they don't even know the woman's real name. If they worked for the school, they would know her real name. They are only typing names Robert Bruce has given her on this board. They don't know this woman any more than Mr. Bruce does."
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:17:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The reason this immature pornographic bantering back and forth is proof that this person does not work for HLA is the fact that they don't even know the woman's real name. If they worked for the school, they would know her real name. They are only typing names Robert Bruce has given her on this board. They don't know this woman any more than Mr. Bruce does."
Why her name is Susie. Bullfrog is just what her friends call her. He has shown time and again he is a staff member. He acts just like one.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:24:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 18:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteIf you knew who I really was, you would recanter that statement, I can promise you that..."
On 2005-12-17 18:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The reason this immature pornographic bantering back and forth is proof that this person does not work for HLA is the fact that they don't even know the woman's real name. If they worked for the school, they would know her real name. They are only typing names Robert Bruce has given her on this board. They don't know this woman any more than Mr. Bruce does."
Youre actually no one. Youre a pathetic weakling who likes to talk big behind a computer screen. You apparently get asked by these abusive schools to come onto these threads and disrupt conversations. Unfortunatly youre to stupid to pull it off. I mean you couldnt do it on the Elan thread, you cant handle it on here.
I'll tell you what though. You already proved me right about the fact that you had no idea who I was by being unable to provide a single detail related to my time there.
Provide a detail about HLA that you would only know from being there.
Since its apparent now youre just a puppet for hire who has never contributed anything of signifigance in his life, and who is still angry and biter about all the mean kids who picked on you as a child and still to date.
So have it, prove me right...again.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 10:25:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:30:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:Yes it is, you fucking douche bag cock blower
"Recanter? is that a word?"
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:26:00, Anonymous wrote:Great point, what the HELL are you talking about!?? Elan? Huh???
"What do these posts have to do with the Elan board? "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
This board has nothing to do with Elan other than the fact that this simpelton who apparently couldnt actually get a job at the schools to fufill his sick fantasies comes on threads like this one and Elan to support schools he knows nothing about, apparently as a subcontractor. Hes made to detract from the conversation with pointless obscene comments and gets upset when laughed at. He also is supposed to defend the institution but cant succeed.
He is no one.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteYes it is, you fucking douche bag cock blower"
On 2005-12-17 19:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Recanter? is that a word?"
Charming to the last.
The word you are looking for is "recant" which means to take something back.
A Decanter is a glass or crystal container usually used to hold Brandy or some other assorted liquor.
idiot.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:46:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:47:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:49:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:Sorry, that WAS for you, my lil Brucey bee!! :lol:
"Please, just shut THE FUCK UP already, you are such an annoying pussy! Dont you anything better to do on a SATURDAY nite for god's sakes...And before you say anything, Im at work till 1 am, so shut the fuck up, k? Thanks alot!"
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 10:59:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Please, just shut THE FUCK UP already, you are such an annoying pussy! Dont you anything better to do on a SATURDAY nite for god's sakes...And before you say anything, Im at work till 1 am, so shut the fuck up, k? Thanks alot!"
HAHAHAHA oh my we did touch a nerve didnt we. SO there you are at work, it must be an important job for you to have all this freetime. And at night....on a weekend. Wow impressive. As for me Ive for the past two nights have been studying for my last final. Are you familiar with college?
Oh and again thank you for proving to everyone I am right. Not only can you not offer up a single detail about my time at HLA, you cant even really offer up anything about HLA, since you were never there, and youre nothing more than a stooge for hire.
Remind me again why am I a pussy?
:grin:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 17, 2005, 11:04:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 11:05:00 PM
Unless of course youre counting this as your job as a stooge for hire.
Here is your other failure.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=2&19005 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=2&19005)
Now we can all have a look and laugh.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 11:08:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 20:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You were there before 2 of the dorm buildings were built. You were gone by the time the bathrooms near the lower fields were built. You lived in the dorm that is no longer a dorm. You were there after the entrance road was paved. "
The majority of what you just stated is not only incorrect but is information about the school you gained from this site.
Why not say what dorm I lived in. What peer group was I in? Who were my room mates? What was my groups name? What was the play I performed in?
You know all stuff you should know.
Prove me right again.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 11:41:00 PM
You were good laugh.
Take care now.
Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 17, 2005, 11:54:00 PM
Whenever you want to acknowledge how stupid youve been be my guest. We'll all understand.
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 12:21:00 AM
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On 2005-12-17 20:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Gnite sweet cakes, xoxoxoxoxoxo :wave: I may have been an asshole, but I must admit, you handle yourself like a man, and thats cool...You are a good sport Bruce, have a good nite"
Well, since you decided to switch to foul-mouth-Gray mode, I'll break you off a lil bit of what I'm feelin. Obviously, all the cum from the previous' posts action I think has gone to your head, because as far as I've seen, every posting to submit makes you look more fuckin stupid that I just about want to puke. It's not so much that your an asshole, it's just that your exponentially ignorant and don't know what the fuck your talkin about.
And by the way, since you like to throw the term "pussy" around, why don't you get your head out of your ex-husband's ass and quit being such a pussy yourself and not post Anonymous on every single post.
Pussy.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
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On 2005-12-17 20:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Gnite sweet cakes, xoxoxoxoxoxo :wave: I may have been an asshole, but I must admit, you handle yourself like a man, and thats cool...You are a good sport Bruce, have a good nite"
Well, since you decided to switch to foul-mouth-Gray mode, I'll break you off a lil bit of what I'm feelin. Obviously, all the cum from the previous' posts action I think has gone to your head, because as far as I've seen, every posting to submit makes you look more fuckin stupid that I just about want to puke. It's not so much that your an asshole, it's just that your exponentially ignorant and don't know what the fuck your talkin about.
And by the way, since you like to throw the term "pussy" around, why don't you get your head out of your ex-husband's ass and quit being such a pussy yourself and not post Anonymous on every single post.
Pussy.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 12:22:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 12:49:00 AM
Sorry Suze you just arent very good at pretending to be smart.
No most of the more colorful post today come from some stooge for hire. He gets boarding schools like Elan and HLA to hire him to come on these threads and try and detract from purpousful conversation.
It just didnt pan out here though so hes moved on.
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 01:55:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 21:49:00, RobertBruce wrote:Robert, lets knock off the bullshit whining already, grow up, talk to a shrink
"As much as I agree with the above post concerning our beloved bullfrog, the majority of the post today do not belong to her. Only a few of them, look for her more common catch phrases to find which ones.
Sorry Suze you just arent very good at pretending to be smart.
No most of the more colorful post today come from some stooge for hire. He gets boarding schools like Elan and HLA to hire him to come on these threads and try and detract from purpousful conversation.
It just didnt pan out here though so hes moved on. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 02:27:00 PM
This is whining now?
I see.
Tell me what do I need to discuss with a shrink?
Do you think Buch would set up individual sessions with me?
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 11:27:00, RobertBruce wrote:Perhaps, but in the meantime, stop whining little baby
"lol.
This is whining now?
I see.
Tell me what do I need to discuss with a shrink?
Do you think Buch would set up individual sessions with me?"
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 04:27:00 PM
Also what is it Im whining about?
Im simply telling the truth of the situation at HLA.
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 13:27:00, RobertBruce wrote::cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Would you ask him for me?
Also what is it Im whining about?
Im simply telling the truth of the situation at HLA. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 06:41:00 PM
Thanks sport.
:wave:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 06:44:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 06:49:00 PM
List off which lies I have told.
Specifically.
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 07:42:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 15:49:00, RobertBruce wrote:That you are smart, cool, etc.
"Is it?
List off which lies I have told.
Specifically. "
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 08:42:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 16:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteThat you are smart, cool, etc."
On 2005-12-18 15:49:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Is it?
List off which lies I have told.
Specifically. "
That I'm cool? Are you in seventh grade? I at no point have ever discussed being cool on this or the amazing forums thread. Nice try though.
As far as being smart...well I am a preety smart cookie, and smart enough to shoot down every single argument you and your fellow lap dogs have come on here with. Not a one of you has ever managed to get the better of me, and youve all had to run away out of fear of answering my questions. On top of that I outsmarted the staff at HLA didnt I?
Oh and Deans list is nothing either.
As far as being a legend goes...well I dont know that Id go that far...nor have I ever claimed as much either.
But please keep talking about things that never happened I like drawing attention to it.
So are you going to try and honestly answer the question or was this your way of saying you cant.
In which case my earlier comment stands, all I'm doing is telling the truth about HLA.
And you and your owner just cant stand it.
:grin:
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 08:58:00 PM
Unless your ignorant and stupid, which from the sound of you, you sound like an HLA staff member, which I wouldn't be suprised of. It's too bad, I actually liked a lot of the staff there, but there's just a mad majority of them that are so drunk off the HLA-Twisted-Idea-Of-Therapy Kool-Aid that they can't see what's happenin right under their noses.
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 17:58:00, WestSideStud2430 wrote:Shut up dude, stop riding bruce's dick..
"All of yall are doin nothin but hatin on him. Whoever you are, "Anonymous", well, first your Anonymous, so quit hiding behind a computer-screen like a punk and reveal yourself, and second of all, just cause he has his head on straight and speaks truth, isn't a good reason to hate on him.
Unless your ignorant and stupid, which from the sound of you, you sound like an HLA staff member, which I wouldn't be suprised of. It's too bad, I actually liked a lot of the staff there, but there's just a mad majority of them that are so drunk off the HLA-Twisted-Idea-Of-Therapy Kool-Aid that they can't see what's happenin right under their noses."
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 09:40:00 PM
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Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 10:31:00 PM
One more time typical staff behavior.
Cant respond so get angry.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 11:55:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 18:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And pleeeeaase, shut the fuck up with this "hatin on him" shit...Thats the gayest fuckin phrase to EVR come out.."hatin" :lol: "
Almost as gay as spelling the world "ever" as "EVR".
Who are you anyways? Come out from behind that Anonymous screen you use to hide who you REALLY are.
Post by: Licensed Medical Professi on December 19, 2005, 12:09:00 AM
Again with the queer slurs. Just exactly how is the phrase "hatin on" gay? Do only gay people use that saying? I can answer that, since I myself am one of those militant, card-carrying members of the Homosexual Agenda?. (Ever since the Federal Marriage Amendment was introduced, we fags have gone out, buffed up, and gotten guns. Please, anger us.)
A gay saying would more accurately be something like, "Faaabulous!" also known as "Oh, my God, that's so fabulous!" An innocuous little "hatin on" is hardly gay.
A most telling thing about your character, "Anonymous," is how you put yourself out there all sly, safe under your pointy-hooded, white-cloaked cover of anonymity...then bravely tell someone to "get a life."
Someone who apparently had an experience at HLA worth discussing with others?others who may have had similarly disturbing histories to share.
And if your presence here is part of a plan to bully the legitimate contributors, especially if you're an employee or agent of Hidden Lake Academy or its owners/directors, you are truly amoral.
You should look up that word, 'amoral.' It really is a slanderous thing to be labelled, as it describes those whose actions are so horrible, nice places like death row are all that can house them.
Are you that kind of person, who would actually target known troubled teens for the sole purpose of giving them more to be troubled about?
Really?
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
Also I found the trademark to be hilarious.
Post by: Licensed Medical Professi on December 19, 2005, 12:56:00 AM
If there's anything I can't stand, it's someone who argues just for the sake of arguing, making conflict where none should exist...but doesn't have the either integrity or the intelligence to back themself up.
Don't get me wrong: I welcome debate of any kind. Just show up prepared and don't try to rely on bullying or name-calling in a poorly disguised attempt to distract from the subject. That's a sure sign of weakness?and I'm not against taking full advantage of it.
BTW, glad you liked the TM!
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 19, 2005, 01:49:00 AM
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On 2005-12-18 21:56:00, Licensed Medical Professional wrote:
"No problem at all, Mr. Bruce.
If there's anything I can't stand, it's someone who argues just for the sake of arguing, making conflict where none should exist...but doesn't have the either integrity or the intelligence to back themself up.
Don't get me wrong: I welcome debate of any kind. Just show up prepared and don't try to rely on bullying or name-calling in a poorly disguised attempt to distract from the subject. That's a sure sign of weakness?and I'm not against taking full advantage of it.
BTW, glad you liked the TM!"
Doctor, Welcome the world of what we'd like to call HLA. Making extra conflict when it shouldn't exist, no integrity, and without a doubt, no intelligence. And they definitely bully.
Need I say more?
Right until the point the lawyers get involved. Then the tables are turned.
Good day.
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
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On 2005-12-18 21:16:00, RobertBruce wrote:I Hope you die a terrible death and your gay filthy nuts get chopped off, ugly faggot thats never gotten REAL pussy, lil nigger lover
"Thank you Doctor, you truly are appreciated.
Also I found the trademark to be hilarious. "
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 01:56:00 AM
When are you going to make good on your idle threat of revealing some sort of detail about my stay at HLA.
Also Im wondering have yourself checked out for turetts? Its a distinct possibility.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 19, 2005, 02:03:00 AM
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On 2005-12-18 22:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteI Hope you die a terrible death and your gay filthy nuts get chopped off, ugly faggot thats never gotten REAL pussy, lil nigger lover"
On 2005-12-18 21:16:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Thank you Doctor, you truly are appreciated.
Also I found the trademark to be hilarious. "
Wow, attention all, newsflash, this is new. Buccie is programming and shipping trolls to speak immaturely and curse and throw racial and homosexual slurs out to make people think they aren't who they think they are. Then again, this is the man who put Homosexuality at one point and time on his own applications for his own programs for the purpose of profit and more possibilites for prospective clients. You ain't got me fooled Len, try again...
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 19, 2005, 06:50:00 AM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 19, 2005, 06:55:00 AM
Post by: Licensed Medical Professi on December 19, 2005, 09:51:00 AM
1. People who spout the most faggot-hateful speach are the ones most likely to be deeply closeted homosexuals themselves. Studies show it! They also show that gay-bashers are most likely to have lower-than-average IQs. Welcome, our little stupid Uranian!
2. I don't hear much press about people getting neutered anymore. Is that a fantasy you have? Do you enjoy thinking about gay men's testicles? Sounds like a big YES to me!
3. And you're a bigot, too! But I already called that one, didn't I? Remember when I talked about your pointy hood and white cloak? That was a reference to the Ku Klux Klan (because I don't think you got it). Good thing you have that point in your hood...it matches the point in your head.
Anyway, glad to have you around! You make trouncing trolls so much more enjoyable!
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 02:15:00 PM
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On 2005-12-19 03:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are you really that gullible Mr. Bruce and George C. ? You should know better than to believe the filthy language and gay bashing comments wouldn't come from Dr. B. "
I dont know that anyone thought it was the Buch. It is is in all likelyhood a hired stooge though, someone he sent on here.
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
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On 2005-12-19 11:15:00, RobertBruce wrote:Suck a plump weiner ::bigmouth::
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On 2005-12-19 03:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are you really that gullible Mr. Bruce and George C. ? You should know better than to believe the filthy language and gay bashing comments wouldn't come from Dr. B. "
I dont know that anyone thought it was the Buch. It is is in all likelyhood a hired stooge though, someone he sent on here. "
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 06:57:00 PM
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On 2005-12-19 15:52:00, Anonymous wrote:
Suck a plump weiner ::bigmouth:: "
Ah, now there's an intelligent response! :roll:
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:rofl:
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Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 09:55:00 PM
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On 2005-12-19 18:40:00, SHH wrote:
"Yall are too damn entertaining. Its been more fun reading than posting thats for sure. Just wanted you all to know IM STILL HERE....just so Robert doesn't get all excited that he SCARED me away or something
:rofl: "
Oh Susie (that is your name isnt it? There was some earlier discussion) youve made it beyond clear that you are afraid of both me and the truth. If that wasnt the case youd answer the questions put to you.
Do you have an alternate explination?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 19, 2005, 10:20:00 PM
And by the way, my name is not Susie. The person talking pornographic trash earlier definately has no clue who I am, much less know me personally.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 10:29:00 PM
Would you like for me to repost the questions I put to you?
Then you can respond to each one saying either
A. the answer is the following...
B. I dont know.
C. I already answered that question here is where.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 10:31:00 PM
Oh in the meantime what are your thoughts on the medical professionals statement?
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... =200&Sort= (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic=12691&forum=41&start=200&Sort=)
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 20, 2005, 01:43:00 PM
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On 2005-12-19 18:55:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2005-12-19 18:40:00, SHH wrote:
"Yall are too damn entertaining. Its been more fun reading than posting thats for sure. Just wanted you all to know IM STILL HERE....just so Robert doesn't get all excited that he SCARED me away or something
:rofl: "
Oh Susie (that is your name isnt it? There was some earlier discussion) youve made it beyond clear that you are afraid of both me and the truth. If that wasnt the case youd answer the questions put to you.
Do you have an alternate explination?"
Ladies and gentlemen, identity #298 of many to come. The many faces of Suzie Gray...
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 20, 2005, 01:58:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on December 20, 2005, 04:56:00 PM
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 20, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
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On 2005-12-20 10:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"George tu eres un nino inteligente no? So seas tan duro de la cabeza y deje otras personas tener otra opinion. Todas las personas que no piensen como ti no son malo. "
You assume I don't know other languages. Especially Spanish. I live in Texas, once again, idiot. Every other person here speaks it.
And I highly beg to differ. They may not be bad people themselves, but also think about what their opinion is supporting -- direct and indirect child abuse.
Once again, another pointless posting that gets us nowhere and distracts us from the topic at hand... that wouldn't be the working of a troll, now would it?
I've said it many times and I'll say it again -- Try again Buchie! Quit pooping your diapers and try again!
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 20, 2005, 05:56:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 20, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
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On 2005-12-20 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"the post was meant for you George. I know you speak spanish."
Quite zippy. I'm not even gonna ask you if your implying that I'm of a Spanish-decent because of where I live and my first name -- I'm Greek, but was taught Spanish at wonderful, beautiful Hidden Lake Academy by one of the only decent teachers in HLA history -- Doug Talmadge, and what'd HLA do?
Get rid of him.
How typical.
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 20, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
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On 2005-12-20 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"the post was meant for you George. I know you speak spanish."
Quite zippy. I'm not even gonna ask you if your implying that I'm of a Spanish-decent because of where I live and my first name -- I'm Greek, but was taught Spanish at wonderful, beautiful Hidden Lake Academy by one of the only decent teachers in HLA history -- Doug Talmadge, and what'd HLA do?
Get rid of him.
How typical.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 30, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
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On 2005-12-13 08:44:00, RobertBruce wrote:
">>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Let me make one thing very clear to you Robert. My experiences happened. I have not lied. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yes you have thats been shown many times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You have decided you want to pick apart and twist statements to suit you.<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Which statements have I twisted? Specifically list them off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I was on campus my children were either with me or at school. I do not leave toddlers home alone.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yet again though almost no one remembers you. A point you have yet to address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where is your proof you are not lying Robert? You are only saying you arent. Same as me but why are you more correct than me? You aren't. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Oh but I am. My proof lies in the testimony of others. We cant all be lying about the same thing now can we bullfrog?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You aren't. Everything I have posted is what actually happened.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Well you arent really focusing on things you claim did happen, you spend more time talking about things you think didnt happen. Things you have yet to offer a basis for. For example, you have yet to explain how you KNOW students were not made to clean the dumpster with nothing but a toothbrush.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NO the children didn't do maintenance, they did work assignments around campus during restrictions. That is not the majority of maintenance now is it? No, its not.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
HAHAHA and what bullfrog do you think the work assingments consisted of?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As far as the issue of properly licensed, since I am not an expert in that area, I have no idea which license you or the state feels is proper. I am sure the state will sort that out. If they have operated with the state's ok for almost 12 years I doubt seriously they are doing anything illegal. The state actually did a commendation last year honoring them for their work.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Why are we still discussing this Bullfrog? I PROVED to you that HLA advertises as a theraputic boarding school, I also provided you the means to see for yourself that they are registered with the state as a traditional boarding school. There really isnt a question anymore. Its beyond obvious at this point they are circumventing the law by not being honest with the state regarding their true purpose. Its unfortunate you are far to narrow minded to be open to the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You continue to insult and belittle me however I have not done that to you. Which one is more of a child Robert?<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Again you are. Oh and for the record you have done such things. Just last night in fact you called me an asshole. Do you need other examples?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you feel you personally were abused I am sorry about that, but you dont offer specifics at all.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You probably dont. Let me ask you though what difference would it make to you what sort of abuse I suffered? Ive given countless examples of other atrocities. Why do you feel you need more?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your opinion of dorms that were not maintained is kind of general. How bad were they? which ones were bad? What do you consider a long time to get things fixed?<<<<<<<<<<<
Kind of general? Bullfrog I listed off the specific complaints that we brought to your husband. We also brought him pictures but he didnt care about those either. I still have them if youd like to see. As far as reasonable in getting things fixed, well let me ask you. If you called a plumber to come and fix a problem and he said "See you in six months" would you consider that reasonable? Espically considering how much money you had already given him? Also you have still not explained why it matters which dorm I was in, you never went in them anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What kind of vermin? if it was mice I had them in my own home. Its the woods in North Georgia. AS far as bugs, what kind of bugs? I could go on and on but see you dont offer specifics of your own abuse. <<<<<<<<<<<
So because your own home was filthy ours should be as well. But no more than mice. As far as bugs go, let me offer you this little story. At one point Jim explained to us how to recognize a Black Widow and what to do if we saw one in the dorm as their had been several reports. Again there is much more to tell, none of which matters to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And again, let me point out something. You did something to get sent there in the first place<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
Actually I didn't. I was placed and kept their illegally. I wonder though how is it you think you know how I ended up there?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. It wasnt supposed to be a luxury experience. Its not a dump either.<<<<<<<<
I see so again you feel that 5,000+ a month is reasonable given the squalor we lived in? I mentioned to you before bullfrog, I pay almost as much for one month of HLA as I do now for a semester of college. Which do you think I get more out of? Oh and yes it was a dump, and abusive to boot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>But Robert just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you the right to say the things you have said about me and say lies about me and call me a liar because I am not one.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Yet it gives you the right to? Get over yourself bullfrog. You are a liar. How many claims of mine have I backed up? Several. How many have you backed up? Zero. Ive got all kinds of testimony behind me, youve got nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Like I said, this is getting real old. The bottom line is you are mean, verbally abusive, insulting, and immature. I have tried very hard to argue with you in a civil fashion over our points. You can't do it. Its a waste of time for me to think you are capable of it. <<<<<<<<
Show me where you were ever civil. Like I said youre a child who is upset shes not getting her way. You should have never left HLA if you cant handle being wrong. I treat people in the same manner in which they treat others. You came on here calling us all degenerates and liars. Dont cry now when you are treated the same way.
Oh and again, I was able to respond to every comment you made. You had to pick and choose.
Like I said youre afraid. [ This Message was edited by: RobertBruce on 2005-12-13 08:45 ]"
If this is the post you are referring to, there arent specific questions on here. Only rhetorical questions to things I stated that you didnt like. Ill try to find another post with the date stamp of 8:44 but this was the only one I could find in the few min I had online.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 30, 2005, 07:16:00 PM
Okay fine you want to play dumb? Here I'll make it much easier on you, drawing from what you refer to as my non specific questions.
1. Why do you claim to have never lied yet have been caught doing just that?
2. What specific statements do you believe I have twisted around?
3. Why out of hundreds of students does almost no one remember you despite your claims that you were a daily fixture at HLA?
4. Do you believe that even though there are multiple people just on here claiming the same things about HLA we are all lying?
4a. Why do you believe your testimony bears more weight than ours when obviously the opposite is true?
5. How do you know that children were never made to clean dumpsters with toothbrushes?
6. What do you believe work assingments consisted of?
7. Do you still despite all the evidence to the contrary believe HLA is still properly liscensed?
7a. Do you believe they have been forth right with the state regarding their purpose? Specifically ORS who states HLA claims to be a traditional boarding school, ONLY a traditional boarding school.
8. Do you believe you have conducted yourself in a civil and respectful manner?
9. Given the amount of information that has been posted on here why do you feel you need more information regarding atrocities committed by HLA?
10. Do you consider six months a reasonable amount of time to get issues in the dorms fixed?
11. Do you believe the students should be respondsible for pest/vermin control of the dorms, and the maintainance of said dorms (not clean up maintaince)?
12. Do you believe any student may have been sent there that did not for any reason need to be there or in a similar enviornment?
12a. If so wouldnt the respondsible thing for HLA to do would be to recommend the student be sent home?
12b. If not how would you know the case of every student?
13. Do you feel the tuition at HLA is reasonable for the product received?
14. Do you believe that you are entitiled to call us liars yet we are not entitled to do the same to you? Espically considering you have lied a great deal?
Okay Dolores here they all are dumbed down for you and ready for you to evade. Get to it.
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2005, 09:29:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 30, 2005, 10:23:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 30, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
1) The only time I said something that wasn't true was when I was anonymous because I got tired of the personal insults from you and was trying to avoid that scenario by posting anonymous. So then you found out that a few posts were mine. Big deal. It wasn't that big of a secret anyway.
2) There are alot of my statements you have twisted to fit your agenda. You have stated that even though I shared my experiences that they could not have happened the way I told you they did. You stated that since you talked to a few people who didnt know me then I must have been making up being on campus. You stated that when I mentioned things that happened on campus that they couldnt have happened because a few students didnt remember them. You stated that since I didnt know some things about counseling that therefore I didnt know anything. You stated that Bill must have kicked me to the curb for a better wife when I told you we got divorced. How do you know I didnt divorce him? You take anything I say, make it sound like something else, then insult me. You twist alot Robert. Its fairly obvious.
3) You dont talk to "hundreds" of students. In addition, some of the students you talk to might have been at the school 10 or 11 years ago. They might not remember me if I wasnt their teacher or counseler. That doesnt mean that I wasnt on campus almost every day the 4 years I lived there. They probably just didnt know who I was when they saw me. I also was gone after Feb of 2001 so nobody after that would have known who I was. That doesnt mean I didnt work there or wasnt on campus. It means you are talking to people I didnt know or people who were there before we moved on campus or after I moved away.
4)I dont think everybody on here is lying. I have noticed however that the same story is passed around among a few students and its not hard to do that when you dont like a school and want it to sound bad. Get a story and pass it around so it looks like the same thing happened more than once. Funny though, Ive heard the same exact story with the same scenario from 2 different students. Too similar to just be the same experience from differnt angles. Too much like the same story. So it lends itself to a validity issue. In addition, some things I have seen posted on here I NEVER heard about while on campus, and trust me, with a radio in the house on at all times (24/7) we heard every time a kid ran away, every time a kid fought with another kid, every time anything happened while we were on campus, I heard it on that radio. So we knew what was going on almost all the time. And some of the things Ive seen on here, I never heard or saw while there so it makes me seriously doubt the validity of some things. (not all, but some).
4a)I dont think my testimony always bears more weight than others. I do think it bears more weight than some. YOu seem to think that it bears absolutely no weight when, in fact, I have just as much of a valid say of my experiences as you.
5) I know about the toothbrush issue because I never saw a kid in the dumpster and the dumpster belonged to a company and people werent supposed to go in it except to retrieve something that was not supposed to be thrown away. The company was responsible for the cleaning therefore there would have been no reason for students to even go in it, much less with a toothbrush. That would not have been allowed by the head counselor. I also asked around to some people I know and nobody ever remembered anything like that ever happening.
6) I know what work assignments consisted of because I saw them being done most of the time. One job was working on flower beds. Another job was watering plants by the front school sign. Another job was raking. Another job was picking up sticks that were lying along the main roads to make it look neater. Some was stacking rocks for rock walls. Sometimes the work assignments were things like working in the kitchen helping or helping maintenance do things. But once again, you made it sound as if they did ALL the maintenance and my father in law was head of maintanence and I know what his job entailed and trust me they did the absolute majority of maintenance and it was only marginally assisted by the students. NO matter what you say about that I know for a fact that maintenance did alot around campus.
7) I believe that the licensing issue is something that the state needs to clarify, and not the fault of HLA. Alot of things do not need licensing in the state of Georgia. That being said, I am not saying that is necesarrily a good idea. But, with the unique type of school that HLA is, it might be a gray area the state hasnt had a chance to address on how they want to license it or whether or not it needs this type or that. I do think things like schools should be monitored for safety issues, etc. But I think the licensing issue is a confusing one for the state with the school only because of the state's policies, and the dual type of school that HLA is, not because of anything shady. They have alot of different types of groups visiting the school, including govt entities, which to me means they do not need to worry about being inspected if they have so many people touring and visiting. They arent trying to hide anything, and that is what you keep on trying to insinuate. But as far as what they should be licensed exactly as, I dont know. that is a question to ask the state.
:cool:My answer above covers this question too.
9) Its not more information I need, its proof that I havent seen. I hear alot of stories, but no proof. You say you have pictures. That would be proof, but depending on what they look like, it would also be hard to prove what the pictures are of exactly. Atrocities, as you state have been committed, would have to be proven, for someone to be held responsible. It seems to me if they had actually happened, people woudl have been fired, things would have changed, etc. It also depends on what one would consider an atrocity. Being made to work during work restrictions is not an atrocity. Sexual abuse is. No dessert at dinner is not an atrocity. Sometimes what a 15 yr old considers horrible is not so horrible when you are an adult. Sometimes being made to clean your room is considered slave labor, to a 15 yr old. Im just saying the perspective on some of this may be a bit skewed on what is truly an atrocity and what isnt.
10) You stated it look 6 months to get things fixed. I personally know of issues that they were able to get a plumber or other company out in a week so the 6 months seems a bit exagerated. What specifically took 6 months to get done? There wouldnt be a reason to wait 6 months for something that was a legitimate maintenance issue. Im thinking it wasnt actually 6 months or it wasnt actually a legitimate maintenance issue.
11) I think a true pest problem would be treated by the school. However, that being said, you stated only dirty homes have mice, thats not true. Mice come into buildings in the winter and when there is a drought. It has nothing to do with dirty homes. Also, black widow spiders come into homes no matter how much you spray. I have personally found 3 of them in my yard here and 1 inside in my home where i live now. As far as what kind of bugs bit George in his bed, I have no clue what that could have been other than mosquitos or fleas. Now the problem with spraying dorms is, it can be highly dangerous to kids who have asthma, it also can be dangerous to small spaces. The issue of whether or not to spray should be considered carefully. And then its only effective on fleas, roaches, and some rodents. Not necesarrily on spiders. As far as maintenance, I think students should keep their areas clean. That includes vacumming, cleaning mirrors, washing sheets, etc. If a maintenance issue that had nothing to do with students came up then maintenance should do it. But I think students should clean their dorms.
12)I do think some kids didnt need to be there and got sent there by their parents because the parents didnt know what to do with them or were too busy with their careers. I also think that kids got sent there that did need to be there. Some kids didnt have anywhere else to go and were better off there. But I dont know every kids case that was just my personal observation and what I heard about some kids.
13) I think the tuition is something I certainly cant afford, but from seeing other schools tuitions, I think its similar to other facilities so I think they just charge what the market is going for. I know the school for years didnt turn a profit so even though it seems expensive, by the time you pay mortgages, taxes, electric bills, salaries, food bill, doctor and dentist contracts, construction costs, etc etc etc, its not as much of a profit as you would think.
14) I havent lied a great deal, thats just your opinion. And I called liars to those I know in fact have lied about things. I have not, however stooped as low as some who insult me personally and say stupid things about my looks, family,morals, and intelligence. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you that right to act like a 12 yr old and insult me personally. It doesnt show alot of character in my opinion.
Ok now go ahead and attack me and call me names. Im busy with company from out of town am posting this in between helping my son and cleaning the kitchen so you wont go on whining about me being a coward or afraid :roll:
Of course none of this really has any bearing on me personally, as I know what I experienced, I know I have told the truth, and I know what kind of person I am. None of you insulting me have ever met me, don't know anything about me, nor know what I go through on a day to day basis with my life to even remotely have a clue how intelligent, strong, or moral I really am. That of course, is the reason the names don't hurt me personally. I only bring it up because I am not like Robert and he has made libelous statements when I have not.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 01:18:00 AM
Now lets get to answers.
I asked :
"1. Why do you claim to have never lied yet have been caught doing just that?"
You answered :
"1) The only time I said something that wasn't true was when I was anonymous because I got tired of the personal insults from you and was trying to avoid that scenario by posting anonymous. So then you found out that a few posts were mine. Big deal. It wasn't that big of a secret anyway. "
Well this isnt exactly true. You claimed it wasnt you when in fact it was, and then you claimed you had never told a lie. So yet another lie. You also upon your arival claimed that certian students were never removed from the general population during visitor days and food was never rationed. More lies.
Okay next question.
I asked:
"2. What specific statements do you believe I have twisted around? "
You answered:
"2) There are alot of my statements you have twisted to fit your agenda. You have stated that even though I shared my experiences that they could not have happened the way I told you they did. You stated that since you talked to a few people who didnt know me then I must have been making up being on campus. You stated that when I mentioned things that happened on campus that they couldnt have happened because a few students didnt remember them. You stated that since I didnt know some things about counseling that therefore I didnt know anything. You stated that Bill must have kicked me to the curb for a better wife when I told you we got divorced. How do you know I didnt divorce him? You take anything I say, make it sound like something else, then insult me. You twist alot Robert. Its fairly obvious. "
Not only are you yourself severely misrepresenting my statements or twisting if you'd prefer, but you havent answered the question. You offered examples of me refuting your statements or asking follow questions. I see no evidence of any twisting as you claim. So the question still stands.
Question number three.
I asked:
"3. Why out of hundreds of students does almost no one remember you despite your claims that you were a daily fixture at HLA? "
You answered:
"3) You dont talk to "hundreds" of students. In addition, some of the students you talk to might have been at the school 10 or 11 years ago. They might not remember me if I wasnt their teacher or counseler. That doesnt mean that I wasnt on campus almost every day the 4 years I lived there. They probably just didnt know who I was when they saw me. I also was gone after Feb of 2001 so nobody after that would have known who I was. That doesnt mean I didnt work there or wasnt on campus. It means you are talking to people I didnt know or people who were there before we moved on campus or after I moved away. "
:lol: Dolores what is the basis for claiming I dont talk to hundreds of students? I realize you and your boss dont want this to be true but it doesnt change the reality of the situation at all. Insist it isnt so all you want, the facts remain the same, I am in contact with a network of hundreds of former students. Accept it. Now as to the rast of your blatherings, I can tell you while I was at HLA I could have told you who each and every staff members was, even if I didnt have regular contact with them. That included the girls who worked in the central office, all of the intake counsolers, everyone. Its not a large campus buildings wise and there really isnt a back entrance. So please explain to me again how the "hundreds" of former students who were there during the time period in which you both lived and worked on campus no one knew you? You claimed you were in the cafeteria on a regular basis and spent many holidays and make believe events with us. Did you not ever talk to any students?
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
I asked:
"4. Do you believe that even though there are multiple people just on here claiming the same things about HLA we are all lying?"
You responded:
"4)I dont think everybody on here is lying. I have noticed however that the same story is passed around among a few students and its not hard to do that when you dont like a school and want it to sound bad. Get a story and pass it around so it looks like the same thing happened more than once. Funny though, Ive heard the same exact story with the same scenario from 2 different students. Too similar to just be the same experience from differnt angles. Too much like the same story. So it lends itself to a validity issue. In addition, some things I have seen posted on here I NEVER heard about while on campus, and trust me, with a radio in the house on at all times (24/7) we heard every time a kid ran away, every time a kid fought with another kid, every time anything happened while we were on campus, I heard it on that radio. So we knew what was going on almost all the time. And some of the things Ive seen on here, I never heard or saw while there so it makes me seriously doubt the validity of some things. (not all, but some). "
So are you still then operating under the belife that if you did not hear about something it did not happen? Also why would you have needed a radio in your house on 24 hours a day? Bill had little to no regular interaction with the students, even when a situation arose. I can possibly understand why he might at least have one but I doubt he would turn it on. Why then further would you have need for one when he was at work? This makes no sense Dolores, its been made clear you were a very unimportant figure that no one talked to. Also why would two people telling a similar story negate the validity of the story? I would think it would reinforce the validity. Didnt you at one point claim to be a Christian? If thats the case then you would undoubtedly believe in the gospel. A similar story told by four seperate people. Do you doubt the validity of that? Kind of makes it hard to be a Christian dont you think? What negative stories about HLA do you believe. So far your reaction has been to either claim a person who tells a negative story is either lying, or you ignore the statement all together. So I'm interested what stories do you believe in?
Next question.
I asked:
"4a. Why do you believe your testimony bears more weight than ours when obviously the opposite is true? "
You answered:
"4a)I dont think my testimony always bears more weight than others. I do think it bears more weight than some. YOu seem to think that it bears absolutely no weight when, in fact, I have just as much of a valid say of my experiences as you."
Must we go through this again? Who do you think has a weaker testimony than you? Further it has been shown time and time again, you had nothing to do with the day to day actions of the students. Nothing. You werent a counselor or a teacher, or an administrator, you werent on restrictions staff, or recreations. You werent night security or maintanince or even a cafeteria worker. You were a lowly clerical staff who worked out of her house. You had no direct involvement with the students lives and thus you cannot testify as to what it was like. Why even try to refute it?
Next Question:
I asked:
"5. How do you know that children were never made to clean dumpsters with toothbrushes? "
You answered:
"5) I know about the toothbrush issue because I never saw a kid in the dumpster and the dumpster belonged to a company and people werent supposed to go in it except to retrieve something that was not supposed to be thrown away. The company was responsible for the cleaning therefore there would have been no reason for students to even go in it, much less with a toothbrush. That would not have been allowed by the head counselor. I also asked around to some people I know and nobody ever remembered anything like that ever happening. "
Okay so again we are left with the philosphy "If Mrs. Gray didnt see it or hear about it. It didn't happen." Also I thought you didnt talk to any of your old HLA pals. Why the sudden reunion?
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 03:06:00 AM
I asked:
"6. What do you believe work assingments consisted of?"
You answered:
"6) I know what work assignments consisted of because I saw them being done most of the time. One job was working on flower beds. Another job was watering plants by the front school sign. Another job was raking. Another job was picking up sticks that were lying along the main roads to make it look neater. Some was stacking rocks for rock walls. Sometimes the work assignments were things like working in the kitchen helping or helping maintenance do things. But once again, you made it sound as if they did ALL the maintenance and my father in law was head of maintanence and I know what his job entailed and trust me they did the absolute majority of maintenance and it was only marginally assisted by the students. NO matter what you say about that I know for a fact that maintenance did alot around campus."
:grin: See here you reinforce the fact that you in reality had no clue what was going on at the school. I mentioned earlier that it is (or was) not a big campus building wise. It is however a very large overall area. Considering that you remained primarily in your own home you would have had a very limited vantage point from which to draw concluscions. I'm interested in your claim that you "saw them most of the time". Why is this? You had nothing better to do then stand around watching children in slave labor? Or perhaps you'd like to claim that you saw this all going on from your house. Fine. Dolores I can tell you right now that in my entire time at HLA (and trust me it was much much longer than the "few weeks" you claimed it was. Another point you have never addressed) I was by your house a total of once. One time. And that one time wasnt even for a work assingment, it was for some pointless ritual or something dumb like that, I wasnt paying attention. Now given the fact that I did many many work assingments, and not a one of them was by your house how is it you were able to wittness most of them? Also given the fact that you are sugar coating what we did in a serious way it would seem to suggest that once again you just dont know what youre talking about.
Next question
I asked:
"7. Do you still despite all the evidence to the contrary believe HLA is still properly liscensed? "
You answered:
"7) I believe that the licensing issue is something that the state needs to clarify, and not the fault of HLA. Alot of things do not need licensing in the state of Georgia. That being said, I am not saying that is necesarrily a good idea. But, with the unique type of school that HLA is, it might be a gray area the state hasnt had a chance to address on how they want to license it or whether or not it needs this type or that. I do think things like schools should be monitored for safety issues, etc. But I think the licensing issue is a confusing one for the state with the school only because of the state's policies, and the dual type of school that HLA is, not because of anything shady. They have alot of different types of groups visiting the school, including govt entities, which to me means they do not need to worry about being inspected if they have so many people touring and visiting. They arent trying to hide anything, and that is what you keep on trying to insinuate. But as far as what they should be licensed exactly as, I dont know. that is a question to ask the state. "
Wait are you going to really say that because HLA has visitors they dont need to be inspected? I mean resturants have lots of visitors as well. Would you visit one though that wasnt inspected by someone? Also how would you know about these govt entities visiting the school? Which ones specifically? Can we get in touch with them? Also since the fact remains I have asked the state, which says they are claiming to strickly be a traditional boarding school. Now if HLA has nothing to hide as you claim, why not be forthright with the state regarding this imaginary half breed you keep mentioning. The reality is they simply dont want to be listed as a theraputic boarding school because doing so would mean much much more oversight and more means for students to air their greivances.
Next question
I asked:
"7a. Do you believe they have been forth right with the state regarding their purpose? Specifically ORS who states HLA claims to be a traditional boarding school, ONLY a traditional boarding school."
You did not respond:
"My answer above covers this question too."
No it really really doesnt. I'll ask again. Why doesnt HLA tell the state they are a mixed purpose school rather than simply claiming to be a traditional school?
Next.
I asked:
" 8. Do you believe you have conducted yourself in a civil and respectful manner?"
You responded:
"......"
Oh look at that you didnt respond at all. Should I take that to mean you do not feel you have behaved in a civil manner or did you just plain forget?
Next question.
I asked:
"9. Given the amount of information that has been posted on here why do you feel you need more information regarding atrocities committed by HLA? "
You responded:
"9) Its not more information I need, its proof that I havent seen. I hear alot of stories, but no proof. You say you have pictures. That would be proof, but depending on what they look like, it would also be hard to prove what the pictures are of exactly. Atrocities, as you state have been committed, would have to be proven, for someone to be held responsible. It seems to me if they had actually happened, people woudl have been fired, things would have changed, etc. It also depends on what one would consider an atrocity. Being made to work during work restrictions is not an atrocity. Sexual abuse is. No dessert at dinner is not an atrocity. Sometimes what a 15 yr old considers horrible is not so horrible when you are an adult. Sometimes being made to clean your room is considered slave labor, to a 15 yr old. Im just saying the perspective on some of this may be a bit skewed on what is truly an atrocity and what isnt."
Dolores have you ever seen a photograph of the Battle of Yorktown? How about Waterloo? How about the crucifixion of Christ? If not how can you believe any of these things ever occured. Whether you like it or not the testimony of participants and wittnesses does have more credibility than you would like to give it. I am surprised that anyone can rationalize things the way you do. Think about it like an objective rational human being for a second. You have hundreds of students, parents, and former staff coming out and stating their experiences. Most of these people dont know each other and have never met, yet here they are recounting the same kind of experience again and again. Yet as far as Dolores Gray is concerned it doesnt matter, because there are no pictures. The pictures I mentioned earlier are of the conditions of the dorms. I will post them whenever you decide to post your sledding pictures. As far as the abuse and atrocities, do you really think we would have been allowed to take pictures of such things? Could we have brought a tape recorder to reals or a video camera to restrictions? No. You forget that while some students did have cameras, we as students owned nothing at HLA. Anything and everything could be confiscated without reason or notice never to be seen again. Further film was devolped on a whim of counselors. Given those facts you tell me again how testimony doesnt matter (irregardless of the many many people you yourself have seen and the hundreds more Ive spoken with) and just plain doesnt count.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 03:33:00 AM
I asked:
"10. Do you consider six months a reasonable amount of time to get issues in the dorms fixed?"
You answered:
"10) You stated it look 6 months to get things fixed. I personally know of issues that they were able to get a plumber or other company out in a week so the 6 months seems a bit exagerated. What specifically took 6 months to get done? There wouldnt be a reason to wait 6 months for something that was a legitimate maintenance issue. Im thinking it wasnt actually 6 months or it wasnt actually a legitimate maintenance issue. "
So simply because you dont like the idea of something that makes it so? I listed off the exact same complaints we brought to your husband. Do they seem illegitimate to you? Your husband didnt seem to think they were that big of a deal hence why it took six months of bitching for him to do anything. In the end the only reason he finally did is because one of the kids snuck some of the pictures out to his parents. After what I imagien was a very pleasant conversation in which Bill apologized profusly the issues were taken care of. Now irregardless of the fact that you dont like that it took six months has nothing to do with the fact that it did. Believe it or not it changes nothing about the facts.
Moving on.
I asked:
"11. Do you believe the students should be respondsible for pest/vermin control of the dorms, and the maintainance of said dorms (not clean up maintaince)?"
You responded:
"11) I think a true pest problem would be treated by the school. However, that being said, you stated only dirty homes have mice, thats not true. Mice come into buildings in the winter and when there is a drought. It has nothing to do with dirty homes. Also, black widow spiders come into homes no matter how much you spray. I have personally found 3 of them in my yard here and 1 inside in my home where i live now. As far as what kind of bugs bit George in his bed, I have no clue what that could have been other than mosquitos or fleas. Now the problem with spraying dorms is, it can be highly dangerous to kids who have asthma, it also can be dangerous to small spaces. The issue of whether or not to spray should be considered carefully. And then its only effective on fleas, roaches, and some rodents. Not necesarrily on spiders. As far as maintenance, I think students should keep their areas clean. That includes vacumming, cleaning mirrors, washing sheets, etc. If a maintenance issue that had nothing to do with students came up then maintenance should do it. But I think students should clean their dorms."
Again I didnt ask you about cleaning. Most students stopped complaining about clean up after being there a short time. Reference back to the list I gave you of complaints we brought to your husband. In that list I mentioned such items as not just insect and vermin infestation but leaky roofs, mold, faulty plumbing, and faulty electrical system. Your husbands initial response was to blame us and claim we should take care of the problem. All of them. Im simply curious if you share his opinion?
Next question.
I asked:
"12. Do you believe any student may have been sent there that did not for any reason need to be there or in a similar enviornment?"
You responded:
"12)I do think some kids didnt need to be there and got sent there by their parents because the parents didnt know what to do with them or were too busy with their careers. I also think that kids got sent there that did need to be there. Some kids didnt have anywhere else to go and were better off there. But I dont know every kids case that was just my personal observation and what I heard about some kids. "
How do you know the kids were better off at HLA? Given the fact that by your own addmission you formed a marginal personal relationship with only a small handfull how would you know what was best for the kids who didnt need to be there?
Next question.
I asked:
"12a. If so wouldnt the respondsible thing for HLA to do would be to recommend the student be sent home? "
You responded:
With nothing. I take that to mean you would rather not answer this question.
Next question:
I asked:
"12b. If not how would you know the case of every student? "
You responded:
Again not really although you did say in your earlier post that you didnt know every kids case. For once youre being honest.
The next question:
"13. Do you feel the tuition at HLA is reasonable for the product received? "
You responded:
"13) I think the tuition is something I certainly cant afford, but from seeing other schools tuitions, I think its similar to other facilities so I think they just charge what the market is going for. I know the school for years didnt turn a profit so even though it seems expensive, by the time you pay mortgages, taxes, electric bills, salaries, food bill, doctor and dentist contracts, construction costs, etc etc etc, its not as much of a profit as you would think. "
Okay I would be willing to agree that in the first year or two there would probably not be a profit. However as the student population increased the tuition increased as well. Lets do a little math shall we? There are approximatly what 150 students there now? So 150 x 7,000 = 1,050,000. Thats per month. Now are you claiming that the schools operational cost (something I'd be interested to know how you would be privy to) comes close to more than a million dollars per month? Given the standard of living each student has it would be difficult to make that claim.
Okay last question:
"14. Do you believe that you are entitiled to call us liars yet we are not entitled to do the same to you? Espically considering you have lied a great deal? "
You responded:
"14) I havent lied a great deal, thats just your opinion. And I called liars to those I know in fact have lied about things. I have not, however stooped as low as some who insult me personally and say stupid things about my looks, family,morals, and intelligence. Just because you dont agree with me doesnt give you that right to act like a 12 yr old and insult me personally. It doesnt show alot of character in my opinion. "
Yes you have, Ive proven it. Again accept it. Tell me specifically what you think others have lied about. Also do you not feel calling someone a liar who is not isn't "stooping low" how about questioning someones motives? Claiming someone was fired or has a grudge? How about trying to expose a former student who has nothing to do with these conversations? How about calling me an asshole? Do you believe that shows character?
Okay Dolores Ive given you alot. Im proud of you for actually not being a weakling for once and stepping up to the plate. So this is what Im going to do, I'll dumb it down for you again and list off some of my specific questions for you.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 04:19:00 AM
1. Given the fact that multiple examples of your lies have been given do you still want to stick with the claim that you never lied?
2. Can you provide specific examples of me twisting your statements? By twisting we mean taking what you said and turning it into something else, not asking a follow up question or refuting your statement.
3. How do you know I don't talk to hundreds of former students?
4. Given your claims of spending a large amount of time on campus espically in the cafeteria why does no one remember you?
5. Do you believe if you did not see or hear about an event occuring it did not happen?
5a. If not do you employ the above philosphy for HLA?
6. Why would you have been given a radio given the fact that you were not of any importance at the school?
6a. If you had said radio why was Bill never present whenever situations occured irregardless of the time or severity?
6b. Why would you have needed one when he was at work?
7. Why would more than one person telling a similar story bring into question its validity?
7a. Did you not at one point claim to be a Christian?
7b. If so wouldnt the gospel be a perfect example of a similar story being told by more than one person?
8. Specifically what negative stories told on here about HLA do you believe happened?
9. Given the fact that you had only limited involvement with the school and almost zero involvement with the students why would you think your testimony is on the same level as mine or other students as we lived, breathed and suffered through it each and every day. While you had nothing to do with any aspects of our day to day life?
10. Is it your beliefe again that simply because you did not hear or see students cleaning out the dumpsters it never happened?
11. Why would you have seen the majority of the work assingments going on since they very seldom ever occured by your house?
11a. Do you believe you are in any way sugar coating your descriptions of what went on during work assingments?
11b. What went on in PT?
11c. If you did not see the work assingments occur by your house how and why else would you have seen "most of them"?
12. Do you believe that because HLA has visitors there is no reason for state inspectors?
13. Would you visit a resturant that was not visited by state inspectors?
14. Specifically what government entities have visited the school?
14a. How can we get in touch with them?
15. If HLA is not trying to hide anything from the state why not claim to be this hybrid category you keep refering to instead of simply claiming to be a traditional boarding school as they currently do?
16. Do you believe HLA operating under the regulations for theraputic boarding schools or RTC's would somehow damage HLA?
17. Do you believe students should have a non affiliated person to whom they can air their greivances?
18. Do you believe HLA consistently telling parents "Expect your child to lie and manipulate" in any way damages the parent child relationship?
19. Do you believe a counselor making the above statement is in itself a form of manipulation?
20. Do you believe encouraging students to trust each other in a peer group while at the same time encouraging them to rat each other out at every oppurtunity is conducive?
21. Do you believe it is healthy to force children to rat each other out and lock them in a room until they do so is healthy?
22. Do you believe lack of shelter, sleep deprevation, food rationing, forced labor, constant belittlement, bait and punish, censorship, lack of personal relationships with peers, and the threat or action of physical punishment is effective therapy?
23. If so have you done any of the above tactics on your own child for an extended period of time?
24. Do you believe it is morally respondsible for HLA to claim they are a traditional boarding school to the state, a theraputic boarding school to parents and educational consultants, and somehow both when questioned about it?
25. Why doesnt HLA simply tell the state they are a mixed category if it isnt a big deal?
26. (Again) Do you believe you have conducted yourself in a civil and respectful manner?
27. Do you believe that it makes sense to claim that if the atrocities we have claimed occured people would have been fired considering the fact there is a great deal of turnover at the school and people are fired on a regular basis?
27a. Would it further make sense that people would be fired for committing those atrocities if the administration not only knew what was going on but okayed it?
28. Since we know people are regurally fired, and many people from different time periods who do not know each other are making similar claims is it possible you are wrong and we are right?
29. Have you ever seen a photograph of the Battle of Yorktown, Waterloo, or the crucifixion of Christ?
29a. If not how do you know these things occured?
30. Does testimony ever count in your mind?
31. If not why do courts allow it?
32. Why do you ask me to post my pictures of the conditions of the dorms if you arent willing to post your sledding pictures?
33. Are you aware that students essentially owned nothing while at HLA, and anything and everything could be confiscated without notice or reason?
34. Does it make sense that any kind of recording device would be allowed in reals, or restrictions?
35. Do you believe simply because you dont like the idea that it took six months to remedy the situation in the dorm, that it in any way changes the facts of the situation?
36. Do you believe as your husband did that our claims were illegitimate and our fault, thus our respondsibility?
37. Do you have any basis other than your own ignorance and narrow mindedness for your claim that I am somehow exagerating the six month claim?
38. How do you know what was best for the students who did not need to be there?
39. Why did you refuse to answer the question regarding what HLA should have done with such students?
40. Is it respondsible for HLA to keep students who do not belong at HLA? (again)
41. Are you fully aware of the operational cost of HLA?
42. Does it exceed 1,050,000 a month?
43. What specifically have others lied about?
44. Do you require more examples of your own lies?
45. Do you believe your actions towards other people call into question your own character? Namley stating former employees were fired and had a grudge, former students were bitter, calling me an asshole, calling numerous people liars?
Allright Dolores this is quite a bit. See if you cant knock them out, I'll understand if it takes you awhile.
In the mean time have a great new years and let me know your resolutions this year.
:wave:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 31, 2005, 06:47:00 AM
Try going outside for some fresh air Robert. Its a much more pleasant environment.
This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back.
Post by: Troll Control on December 31, 2005, 08:37:00 AM
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On 2005-12-31 03:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I answered your questions. I thought I answered all 14 of them. I was in the middle of 2 different tasks and if I missed one OMG Im sorry! (Geezus). It was just an oversight. Now, on to your multiple long winded posts. I was in bed during these. But, after reading every one, I realize something. Every time I answer a question, you turn it into 5 more. HOw in the hell do you think I can answer every one of these? First off, I dont have time. I have a life. Secondly, I dont know the answer to every one of these. Some the state knows the answer to. Some Bill might know the answer to. Some Dr. B might know the answer to. But I am not going to spend my few hours of free time answering 50 or 60 questions that I have already either answered already or dont know the answer to because they are things very few people would know the answer to. Some are just things that arent really questions but statements. I knew you wouldnt stop at those 14. Now you are going to say I am afraid. I am not. I just have better things to do with my time than post 55 questions on a message board to a stranger.
Try going outside for some fresh air Robert. Its a much more pleasant environment.
This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back. "
PLEASE, DON'T POST AGAIN. All will be forgiven. I can't take anymore of your nonsensical drivel.
Post by: Troll Control on December 31, 2005, 09:34:00 AM
"This really is getting ridiculous and I am sure the readers are getting tired of this back and forth between you and me. So forgive me if I dont post back."
Thank GOD. I've had about as much as I can take. This lady has been posting here for a year or more and has yet to add an iota of intelligent discussion to the board.
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 12:54:00 PM
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=8823&forum=41&start=0)
no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence.
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 01:17:00 PM
The stupid bitch of the South is finally dead.
Post by: Troll Control on December 31, 2005, 01:23:00 PM
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On 2005-12-31 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
i think this is one of the best threads to exemplify susie's mo.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=8823&forum=41&start=0)
no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence."
It's painful just to read it again, but, yes, this thread is a good example of what a complete brain-dead idiot Suzanne Gray is. If you look carefully, you will also see Aften's signature spelling and grammatical errors, like the one's she made posting as "Aften" and "Realworld."
Aften + Realworld + Suzanne Gray = 2 Morons
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
a temporary hiatus doesn't mean she is 'dead'.
she'll be back because she is compelled to defend a program she has little knowledge of, and obsessed with arguing with you RB.
anyone ever wonder why THEY- those she defends who were more intimately involved (one anyway)- aren't here?
Post by: RobertBruce on December 31, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
I disagree with you though, she wont be back. At least not under that name or willing to acknowledge who she is. She knows she cant come on here without those same questions thrown at her again and again and again.
Same thing goes for Aften, Lynn or any other stooge that comes on here.
The rest of you should feel free to add questions to the list. See if they ever have the balls to answer them.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 01, 2006, 08:45:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 01, 2006, 08:51:00 AM
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On 2006-01-01 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stupid, huh? Yea, whatever. First of all nobody ever asked me to come on here. Get that through your thick head Robert. I found this site on my own. I am not being paid by anyone, I am not being asked to say or not say anything, and nobody is telling me what to do. Secondly, Just because I refuse to waste my time answering 45 more questions that I have already answered previously and some that I would have no clue about so I couldnt answer, makes me a coward, or somehow running away? I never said I was going away. I have company in town and better things to do with my time. What I am saying is that I am getting bored with all this back and forth crap between you and I and nothing meaningful is coming out of it. Its stupid bickering and boring as hell to the rest of the readers. All it is is more insults directed towards me from people who don't know a single thing about me. Robert this is not a game. You didnt win, and I didnt lose. Its a friggin message board. So you dont like me, oh well. I will post when I want to, when I have time, and when I think its necessary. I will look at posts whenever I feel like it. Sometimes I will be on here, and sometimes I wont. But I have never been "afraid" of anything on here, and never will be. Please spare the readers your obsessive hatred of me and move on to another topic or another target. "
Going back on your word not to post. Typical. You're "out of agreement," Suzie.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 01, 2006, 09:01:00 AM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 01, 2006, 01:41:00 PM
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On 2006-01-01 05:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stupid, huh? Yea, whatever. First of all nobody ever asked me to come on here. Get that through your thick head Robert. I found this site on my own. I am not being paid by anyone, I am not being asked to say or not say anything, and nobody is telling me what to do. Secondly, Just because I refuse to waste my time answering 45 more questions that I have already answered previously and some that I would have no clue about so I couldnt answer, makes me a coward, or somehow running away? I never said I was going away. I have company in town and better things to do with my time. What I am saying is that I am getting bored with all this back and forth crap between you and I and nothing meaningful is coming out of it. Its stupid bickering and boring as hell to the rest of the readers. All it is is more insults directed towards me from people who don't know a single thing about me. Robert this is not a game. You didnt win, and I didnt lose. Its a friggin message board. So you dont like me, oh well. I will post when I want to, when I have time, and when I think its necessary. I will look at posts whenever I feel like it. Sometimes I will be on here, and sometimes I wont. But I have never been "afraid" of anything on here, and never will be. Please spare the readers your obsessive hatred of me and move on to another topic or another target. "
There you go again playing some victim. Just because you are to weak to answer a few questions regarding your own personal statements and experiences dont blame me. Most of the questions on there you can answer because they relate back directly to your own statements. Just answer those and I'll leave you alone about it.
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 06:46:00 PM
So does he have a lot of time on his hands or what. How about taking up a collection and sending him bowling or something?
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dysfunction Junction joined this board in March 2005. He's got 600 some posts according to his profile description.
So does he have a lot of time on his hands or what. How about taking up a collection and sending him bowling or something?"
Deflection. When you can't defend your position, attack the poster.
Ad Hominem
Main Entry: 1ad ho·mi·nem
Pronunciation: (')ad-'hä-m&-"nem, -n&m
Function: adjective
Etymology: New Latin, literally, to the person
1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 04, 2006, 07:34:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 04, 2006, 07:50:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 16:44:00, Anonymous wrote:Great guy.
"William Gray"
Post by: aftenthurston on January 04, 2006, 08:56:00 PM
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On 2005-12-31 10:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-12-31 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
i think this is one of the best threads to exemplify susie's mo.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=8823&forum=41&start=0)
no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence."
It's painful just to read it again, but, yes, this thread is a good example of what a complete brain-dead idiot Suzanne Gray is. If you look carefully, you will also see Aften's signature spelling and grammatical errors, like the one's she made posting as "Aften" and "Realworld."
Aften + Realworld + Suzanne Gray = 2 Morons "
and what errors do i make? lets just think about that... none... would you like to prove me wrong?
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love you Aften."
haha... nice one; why do you love me? and who are you? that was pretty funny...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 09:33:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 17:56:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-12-31 10:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2005-12-31 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
i think this is one of the best threads to exemplify susie's mo.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 41&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=&mode=viewtopic&topic=8823&forum=41&start=0)
no matter what a person says she calls them a liar and uses her opinion as evidence."
It's painful just to read it again, but, yes, this thread is a good example of what a complete brain-dead idiot Suzanne Gray is. If you look carefully, you will also see Aften's signature spelling and grammatical errors, like the one's she made posting as "Aften" and "Realworld."
Aften + Realworld + Suzanne Gray = 2 Morons "
and what errors do i make? lets just think about that... none... would you like to prove me wrong? "
Ive proven you wrong on a number of issues, now how about you get stop being so weak and go answer those questions.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love your persistancy, your tenacity, the way you are SICK of asshole Robert. Lets start a family babe. :wink: "
Are you back to being a woman now Short Bus? I guess that would work, Aften is only into shemales.
Post by: aftenthurston on January 04, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 18:34:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2006-01-04 18:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I love your persistancy, your tenacity, the way you are SICK of asshole Robert. Lets start a family babe. :wink: "
Are you back to being a woman now Short Bus? I guess that would work, Aften is only into shemales. "
a shemale, as you put it, would be a drag queen, asshole... plus the fact that i am getting married in two weeks... you have to keep throwing insults, don't you? you just can't stop. you are such an immature asshole. i hate it for anyone who actually has to spend time with you
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Before you get married perhaps you could answer those questions..if you can.
How long do you think it will be before you get divorced?
Im betting less than a year. I was not aware NC allowed same sex weddings? Are you going to New England or Hawaii perhaps?
Send us some pictures.
Oh and my wife loves spending time with me.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 04, 2006, 10:02:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 04, 2006, 10:04:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When would she have time to spend time with you? you are always on here"
Am I now? Do you keep track? Go answer the questions.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-04 19:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"how long have you been married Mr. Bruce?"
Why do you ask?
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 04, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 04, 2006, 10:56:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 07:04:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 08:49:00 AM
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On 2006-01-04 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Dysfunction Junction joined this board in March 2005. He's got 600 some posts according to his profile description.
So does he have a lot of time on his hands or what. How about taking up a collection and sending him bowling or something?"
Let's see... Do you understand math at all?
I'll break it down for you. Generously speaking, we'll say it takes about 60 seconds to post a response, if it is lengthy. So, 600 posts at 60 seconds each comes out to exactly 10 hours. 10 hours in almost a year.
Whhy does that seem so unreasonable? Or is it really that you just can't respond to the issues brought up in those posts and would rather talk shit than debate facts? I think that's more than likely.
Anything else from the mindless dimwits of HLA who just don't "get it"? You're a bunch of geniuses. :wave:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 09:12:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
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On 2006-01-05 06:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert has 913 posts"
ok 13 hours for robert. 13 hours in a year. not much time at all, but probably more than you've worked in the same period of time.
Post by: WWFSMD on January 05, 2006, 09:15:00 AM
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On 2006-01-05 06:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert has 913 posts"
Ad Hominem
If there's a worse idea going than locking people up for drug use, it's probably locking them up in close proximity to some tyranical altruist who wants to 'help' them with a problem that probably doesn't exist
-- Ginger Warbis
having had about all the help I can stand!
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
So don't worry, soon I'm be gone thank Christ. Just happened to see the ungodly number of posts that some people like the dysfunction poster had.
And found it amusing enough to comment on. So please, don't get your undies all in a bunch over my comment. I can see you've got lots of bigger, more important issues to work on
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 10:10:00 AM
uh huh, but were just compelled to comment. not likely. how bout you work on your 'issues' and leave others to do the same, 'helper'.
ten, thirteen... even one hundred hours a year is not an excessive amount of time for an activist to spend on an issue that is important to them.
how many hours a year do you spend deluding parents and 'defending' a program? it will take you at least ten hours to read all the threads while 'gathering info for a specific purpose'.
if you read with objectivity, you might learn something.
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 10:17:00 AM
Activist??? Oh I see, you're doing important work.
And here I thought you were just putzing around on the computer
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 10:24:00 AM
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On 2006-01-05 06:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"10 hours of my life on this site? Unlikely. I'm here getting some information for a specific purpose, not to play with you people.
So don't worry, soon I'm be gone thank Christ. Just happened to see the ungodly number of posts that some people like the dysfunction poster had.
And found it amusing enough to comment on. So please, don't get your undies all in a bunch over my comment. I can see you've got lots of bigger, more important issues to work on"
so, if you're not here "to play with people" why is it that you continue to do exactly that?
i think it's more of a compulsion to deluded egomaniacs like yourself to put other people down. since you have nothing to brag about in your own pathetic life, I want you to put others down. spend 10 or 13 hours with your therapist instead of trying to make yourself feel better by putting others down. it'll do you some good, and you obviously need the therapy.
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 10:55:00 AM
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On 2005-11-17 20:19:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The name Blaire ring a bell Robert? It was on the other board.
And once again because you are so dense, I did NOT have access to students files, and I did not get that name from anywhere other than my memory Damn you are slow aren't you.
You can threaten lawsuit and illegality until the cows come home Robert, I don't care because I know the truth. And the truth is what I already told you. "
Oh I see, so that was you? Except I asked you under that screen name if it was you and you said no. Yet you just said a moment ago you never lie.
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
Also you claimed earlier that you based the thought that I was Devin on the fact that we had similar personalities. Yet you also said you only met him briefly and he still claims he's never met you. So how would you have a basis for knowing what his personality was like if you only met him briefly once, and according to him not at all? So you either knew him very well, or not at all. If you knew him very well why doesnt he remember you? If you didnt know him how could you have compared our personalities?
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
Also youre claiming now you didnt have access to student files. Yet before you claimed you were respondsible for mailing out all of our progress reports.
Which is it Mrs. Gray?
You can use your circular nonsensical logic until those same cows come home, but it wont help you when it counts. You are going to have to explain your actions and your retarded bullshit explinations, Im afraid just wont hold up. The facts about you getting your information from an illegal source will come to light and you will suffer the consequences.
You know what might help things. Perhaps Ill talk to Devin again and see if I cant get him to come on here. Then perhaps you can tell him how you two were great friends and all, he just doesnt remember it somehow. "
You ARE Devin. Stop talking to yourself.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 12:48:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 04:16:00 PM
1. How long ago did you attend Hidden Lake?
2. How long were you there?
3. Were you brought to the school by escort, or by parent, or by court order?
4. What did the school counselors diagnose as your specific problem to be treated?
5. What specific things do you feel were abusive that you personally were made to do?
6. Which staff abused you? was it verbal, physical, or sexual?
7. What did the cafeteria meals consist of normally?
8. What did you have to personally do while on restrictions?
9. Did you ever get sent to Ridge Creek while at Hidden Lake?
10. Did you ever go on an off campus visit with family?
11. Did you ever attempt to run away?
12. Did you ever attempt to bring drugs onto campus?
13. What specific items in your particular dorm did you feel needed addressing? (your dorm only)
14. What off campus community service did you perform with your peer group?
15. What element did you complete prior to leaving Hidden Lake?
16. Did you ever get approached by a staff in a sexual nature? did you ever have an intimate relationship with a staff member?
17. Did you ever hit a staff member? another student?
18. Were you ever hit by a staff member? or by another student?
19. Were you a cutter?
20. Did you graduate, were you withdrawn, or were you expelled?
21. How many former students do you have contact with ? How do you get in contact with former students?
22. Have you personally filed a lawsuit, filed a formal complaint with the state, or otherwise taken legal action?
those should help us understand your position a little better.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
So then lets get to it.
"1.How long ago did you attend Hidden Lake?"
I will not give the exact dates but I will tell you it was before the millenium.
" 2. How long were you there? "
A little over a year.
"3. Were you brought to the school by escort, or by parent, or by court order? "
Escort.
"4. What did the school counselors diagnose as your specific problem to be treated? "
They didn't, part of the problem I felt.
"5. What specific things do you feel were abusive that you personally were made to do?"
I have provided more than enough examples to this question. Suffice it to say I have shown I was abused physically, emotionally, and mentally. I will not reveal any more personal information about the issue than I already have, if however you would like to ask me yes or no questions I will answer those.
"6. Which staff abused you? was it verbal, physical, or sexual? "
I have never claimed to be abused sexually. As far as verbal and physical I will not list people by name other to say restrictions, and couseling staff.
"7. What did the cafeteria meals consist of normally?"
Apparently the same types of food they serve now, primarily fried food, generally disgusting.
" 8. What did you have to personally do while on restrictions? "
Cleaning structures like dumpsters, moving rocks around for no apparent reason, landscaping, building projects, general maintaince, ect.
"9. Did you ever get sent to Ridge Creek while at Hidden Lake? "
No.
"10. Did you ever go on an off campus visit with family? "
Yes.
"11. Did you ever attempt to run away?"
No.
"12. Did you ever attempt to bring drugs onto campus? "
No.
"
13. What specific items in your particular dorm did you feel needed addressing? (your dorm only)"
I have listed these problems off multiple times. Faulty plumbing, bad electrical, rats, bugs, mold, fire hazards. You know things you would expect from a house you pay $5000.00 a month for.
"14. What off campus community service did you perform with your peer group? "
None.
15. What element did you complete prior to leaving Hidden Lake? "
I may be mistaken but if I remember correctly we were in the midst of wind when I left so I believe the one preceeding that is water.
"16. Did you ever get approached by a staff in a sexual nature? did you ever have an intimate relationship with a staff member? "
Yes and no.
"17. Did you ever hit a staff member? another student? "
Yes and no.
"18. Were you ever hit by a staff member? or by another student? "
Yes and no.
"19. Were you a cutter? "
No.
"20. Did you graduate, were you withdrawn, or were you expelled? "
I will only answer that I did not graduate.
"21. How many former students do you have contact with ? How do you get in contact with former students? "
Over a hundred. I will not answer the second question for security reasons.
"22. Have you personally filed a lawsuit, filed a formal complaint with the state, or otherwise taken legal action? "
I definitly will not answer this question.
Allright quid pro quo, get to it.
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:Very true indeed, but at the same time, I'm surprised the little faggot answered ANYTHING!
"Alot of these answers are vague and some avoid the actual question altogether"
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 16:30:00, Short Bus wrote:Very true indeed, but at the same time, I'm surprised the little faggot answered ANYTHING!"
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On 2006-01-05 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Alot of these answers are vague and some avoid the actual question altogether"
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much better than you two pole smokers could manage though.
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 16:41:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Shut up dude."
i don't let drag queens tell me what to do. go back to the corner and your "job" of filling your mouth with members. it's really all you're good for. you're too stupid to do anything else but polish pole.
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 05, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 17:05:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Robert is the only one that likes blowing cocks on this board, right Bobby? Isn't that right? Bobby is shaking his head yes as he cant talk right now with a mouth full of dick sausage in his filthy mouth :rofl: :lol: "
this little queer is writing up his maturbatory fantasies about robert. you're a nasty little mud shark.
i thought hla cured fags. they musta missed this one. he's still as queer as it gets.
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 08:14:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on January 05, 2006, 08:29:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:This is OBVIOUSLY Robert himself. God you are a Pyscho man.
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On 2006-01-05 17:05:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Robert is the only one that likes blowing cocks on this board, right Bobby? Isn't that right? Bobby is shaking his head yes as he cant talk right now with a mouth full of dick sausage in his filthy mouth :rofl: :lol: "
this little queer is writing up his maturbatory fantasies about robert. you're a nasty little mud shark.
i thought hla cured fags. they musta missed this one. he's still as queer as it gets."
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 09:31:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 15:45:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Wow, Im fucking shocked and impressed. Thanks for the grey answers, I thought your gay ass wouldn't even answer the questions put forth."
Whats the matter Short Bus, are my "yes" and "no" to big of words for you? Im sorry youre to stupid to understand, but I cant make it any simpiler. Why not ask Granny for help?
In the mean time why are you even commenting on it? Its not like you have any knowledge of HLA or any of the other school message boards you troll in the hopes of meeting a young boy.
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 09:33:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 09:33:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 17:14:00, Short Bus wrote:
"I have possibly the hottest girl in the world as my fiancee'..So to say that I'm gay is just plain funny. Now go blow your fucking brains out or try to get laid for once in that miserable, meaningless life of yours."
Short Bus this statement is a fallacy for a number of reasons.
1. You cannot marry your own Grandmother.
2. The fact that she is 600 lbs and has a mustache precludes her being hot.
3. She's a corpse.
Tell me something though, if you really want to have a pretend girlfriend why do you spend all day every day on here? You dont work and you dont spend time with her? Cant be all that meaningfull a relationship.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
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On 2006-01-05 18:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The dude you keep calling Short Bus was in HLA for 16 months buddy. :wave: "
No he really wasnt.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
Robert's statement above could apply to him as well if you see how often he posts at all times during the day and night
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 10:15:00 PM
Short Bus on the other hand moves from one forum to the next spending all day every day on them.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 05, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 05, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
If there is a question take a look for yourself at the Elan board.
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 06, 2006, 06:58:00 AM
Can someone verify this?
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 08:17:00 AM
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 08:53:00 AM
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On 2006-01-05 18:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The dude you keep calling Short Bus was in HLA for 16 months buddy. :wave: "
THAT worked out really well. YET ANOTHER HLA grad that can't function even at the most basic level in society.
His parents wasted a lot of money for him to become an even bigger loser than before he was "treated" by the quacks at that unlicensed treatment center.
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 08:57:00 AM
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On 2006-01-05 17:14:00, Short Bus wrote:
"I have possibly the hottest girl in the world as my fiancee'..So to say that I'm gay is just plain funny. Now go blow your fucking brains out or try to get laid for once in that miserable, meaningless life of yours."
your fiancee must be as dumb as a bag of rocks to think you could offer anything worth having.
you are just a mentally ill, functionally illiterate, half-wit typical HLA product.
thanks, HLA, for sending out more of your failed projects into the world!
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 06, 2006, 12:11:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 12:15:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 05:17:00, Anonymous wrote:where the fuck am I ??? SUCK A DICK guy.......
"Of course IPs can be traced. Every transaction on the internet is traceable and logged. EVERY ONE OF THEM."
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 12:26:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 09:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Does that mean that Robert, Dan, and George fall into that catagory too?"
no, just the tranny hooker short bus.
Post by: Troll Control on January 06, 2006, 02:43:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quotewhere the fuck am I ??? SUCK A DICK guy......."
On 2006-01-06 05:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Of course IPs can be traced. Every transaction on the internet is traceable and logged. EVERY ONE OF THEM."
where are you? you're in a truckstop restroom taking it up the tailpipe thru a glory-hole as usual. :wave:
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on January 07, 2006, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 03:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"According to someone who posted here, Ginger stated you cannot run someone's IP address from this board
Can someone verify this?"
Through this server? No way that I know of. At least not w/ public postings. How-some-ever, every email you send carries your IP address, unless syou send through an anon pennet or proxy or some such. And there's another way, too. If you can get someone to load an image in their browser or run a program and be certain that they're the ones doing it, you can get all sorts of information. This is true of every website and other type of server on the entire net.
Without bending over backward to get your puter to yeild even more data, this shows the content of default environment available to every website you look at:
http://fornits.com/cgibin/env.htm (http://fornits.com/cgibin/env.htm)
If someone knew how to embed a script into a PM they could certainly get all that info as soon as you read the PM. If they can get you to open an email, same thing. If they can get you to click on a link to a page over which they have control, well that's just what I said up to here in different words.
So, ya'll are not as anon as you may think. But isn't it funny that the ppl in the business of raising other ppl's kids and handing down orders from on high about how to raise them can't seem to figure this shit out? I mean, I didn't get it in a vision or from a visiting angel or anything. I just read the instructions.
Some web forums actually publish the user's IP address w/ every post. Now, people who think they're anonymous on those forums are just very ignorant of how that works.
May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.
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Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 03:19:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
where the fuck am I ??? SUCK A DICK guy......."
Well, here's the thing. I could make an educated guess based, in part, on your IP address. Anybody who takes enough interest to pick up on your style and favorite rants could make an educated guess even without that info. There's just no sense in this cloak and daggar game, though. Most of the time, when someone figures out who you are it's just that you've given them enough clues to figure it out.
I'm not trying to make everybody paranoid or anything. Just trying to put us all on more level ground, that's all.
He that lives upon hope will die fasting
--Benjamin Franklin 1758
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Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
So then, do you think I could deliver different content to different people based on their IP? Hmmmmmmm....
Please describe the following picture:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
There are a lot of things I could do. In the same sense that I could go around after the first of each month and mug old ladies, I could figure out who ppl are, where they work, call them up all the time, threaten and harass them. But I wouldn't do that. I'm a decent person. Some people are less so.
But it's funny how people think. Last time I got sued, I found out that the ijits paid good money to get my contact info. If they had been just a half a shade smarter and not so timid w/ their own info, they could have just run a whois on fornits.com or clicked on the "contact us" link on my home page. But some folks just have more money than brains, I guess.
One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics.
--Stephen Hawking, English scientist
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 03:32:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 12:28:00, Antigen wrote:
If they had been just a half a shade smarter and not so timid w/ their own info, they could have just run a whois on fornits.com or clicked on the "contact us" link on my home page.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 04:11:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 12:28:00, Antigen wrote:
Please describe the following picture:
Hmmm. Let's see. It sort of looks like a woman. It's wearing a woman's swimsuit but WOW. Odd looking woman.
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 04:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, If Im at College in the computer lab, HOW THE FUCK are you gonna know who actually wrote what !! Get real people!! IP'S can only do so much, ok? :lol: "
From here? I wouldn't. But the college (or hotel, a it were) might have a vested interest in finding out. Me, personally? Well, you know how much I despise bringing down force of law. You've fucked w/ me on a personal level to where I guess you either think I'm helpless or you just can't figure out why I won't fuck w/ you back.
It's not that I can't, dumb fuck. It's that I don't want to. It's not worth it right now to me. It just wouldn't serve any purpose I want served. There are plenty of assholes just like you. Slapping you down would be like playing Whack-A-Mole; every time you squash one, another one just crops up in it's place.
But that doesn't mean you're safe or really anonymous. Hell, as far as I can tell (and I've tried... lord knows I've tried!) you can't even figure out wtf "use Feminazi as a query string" means. Dude, seriously, if you frighten the wrong person just one time, it can backfire on you. Think I'll cry about it? Shit, in your case I wouldn't even anguish over helping any LE or court to identify you. Some people I would worry about it. But you? You have no soul, no concience and no brains at all, as far as I can tell. Why should I care? Cause you've got a crush on me and crave my attention? Please! They call that stalking where I come from.
Faith is believing something you know ain't true.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 04:46:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 05:32:00 PM
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 05:38:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So, If Im at College in the computer lab, HOW THE FUCK are you gonna know who actually wrote what !! Get real people!! IP'S can only do so much, ok? :lol: "
um....The ISP (or whom ever) can tell you the account, as any other provider, as well as EXACTLY WHICH computer was assign the IP address. So they know what computer at what time.
If you subscribe to a wireless service, we have the same thing there. Thy know exactly who you are, have you address and all. And when LE says ip address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx at ??a/pm on bla date, doesn't matter where you stood. They know where you are gona be.
And do not think that all of those proxies are safe as well. Many of them not only send the proxy address as the ip, but they also send the requester address as well in the packets :lol: .
Just because we do not publicize who you are, and allow you to remain anonymous, do not be disillusioned. ANY anonymous post on ANY BBS, we KNOW who you are. You CAN be identified, and EASILY FOUND. Make no mistake about that, smart ass.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 14:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"It wasnt me! Ginger I swear on my daughter. Im an asshole, but "black magic" WTF are you talking about. "Daughter in ICU? LIKE I KNEW THAT???? Come on~"
Me thinks thoust does protest too much.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 05:54:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Even at an internet cafe'? NOPE.."
Technically, yes they could do that. See that puter you are using sends out information about who it (you) is(are). I do not think you fully comprehend the scope of how we are all actually being tracked and how it all works. I think you are very disillusioned about the technological aspects of our society and your place in them.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:07:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 06:18:00 PM
Like fuckin' with people, eh? Carefull what you wish for.
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately I hate them!
--Albert Einstein
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 06:23:00 PM
Now, you might think your the cleverest sob on the planet if you just steal a laptop and go merrily mindfucking around the planet with that, right? Why, even if they had the mac address, they'd just go looking for the poor bastard you stole it from, right? Well yeah. Then they'd find them, interview them, find out where they were not when you were and probably add him and his incentive to your growing list of ppl w/ a reason to want to know who you are.
Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 15:23:00, Antigen wrote:Who really gives a shit! New subject. :scared: :lol:
"http://compnetworking.about.com/od/networkprotocolsip/l/aa062202a.htm
Now, you might think your the cleverest sob on the planet if you just steal a laptop and go merrily mindfucking around the planet with that, right? Why, even if they had the mac address, they'd just go looking for the poor bastard you stole it from, right? Well yeah. Then they'd find them, interview them, find out where they were not when you were and probably add him and his incentive to your growing list of ppl w/ a reason to want to know who you are.Wicked men obey from fear, good men from love.
--Aristotle
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 15:12:00, Anonymous wrote:I pretty much summed it up perfectly on this post, let's move on.
"And regardless, who the fuck wants to spend their time tracking an IP # ? Why play Big Brother, didnt we have that enough at the programs we endured for years! Even threats, who gives a rat's ass! Its a friggin message board. Come on , really..."
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Listen man, there are THOUSANDS of people at internet cafe's and College comp. labs each day. There is NO way you can specify the actual PERSON . The person? No. The location? Yes. Thank you for your time kind sir. :wave: "
you'd be surprised what a security camera video with a timestamp or your login information and your transactional information can do in the hands of a detective.
they pinch child molesters and scam artists all the time. you go on and keep thinking you're invulnerable. it only helps you to make the mistake that matters. people far smarter than you have thought the same thing before.
when you make people fear for their safety, they go to extraordinary lengths to protect their well-being.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:Exactly! Child molesters and scam artists! No detective or FBI gives a flying fuck about people who say "shut the fuck up" or I hope you die " on a goddamn message board! Next subject please, this is annoying and redundant.
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On 2006-01-07 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Listen man, there are THOUSANDS of people at internet cafe's and College comp. labs each day. There is NO way you can specify the actual PERSON . The person? No. The location? Yes. Thank you for your time kind sir. :wave: "
they pinch child molesters and scam artists all the time. you go on and keep thinking you're invulnerable.
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 06:53:00 PM
It doesn't matter what you've done or not done. If you had been through it yourself, you'd know that. It only matters who you've pissed off or frightened and to what degree.
Now, go fuck with the Thayer ppl. They've been known to show up at your door from three states away.
This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
But, why spam random forums?
Why respond to your own post when no one else does?
Why support someone in one breath and attack them in the next?
Did the program fuck you up really bad?
Or are you just THAT bored?
Or is there another rational explanation for this thing you seem to enjoy?
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:10:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
Well, spill the beans.
When?
Was it before or after the 23 month stint in the other program?
How did they compare?
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:18:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:Why do you give a shit!? Who cares. Just know I love all the people that had to endure what I had to endure, but can't fucking take all the whining sometimes. Just like others have thier opinions, so do I.. Later bro! :tup:
"
I had no idea!!
Well, spill the beans.
When?
Was it before or after the 23 month stint in the other program?
How did they compare?"
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 07:33:00 PM
Was it Straight or wwasp or one of the religious farms? There some of the worst of the worst.
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 16:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteWhy do you give a shit!? Who cares. Just know I love all the people that had to endure what I had to endure, but can't fucking take all the whining sometimes. Just like others have thier opinions, so do I.. Later bro! :tup: "
On 2006-01-07 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I had no idea!!
Well, spill the beans.
When?
Was it before or after the 23 month stint in the other program?
How did they compare?"
hey, man, that's fine. you're encouraged to have your own opinions here. nobody will try to take that away from you or try to censor what you have to say.
i suggested before that you start a thread about the whiny losers of hla. that's fine. post away. go for yours, bro.
the problem is that there are boards run by hla and others that don't allow people who were abused by their shitty program to post what they think and feel. on the hla board if what they say isn't to the liking of miss kathleen, well, she shitcans it. it's just a marketing tool to drum up business and they don't tolerate dissention because it interferes with their revenue stream.
what i have a problem with is how you muck up these forums so that people who are looking for real information about hla can't find it because of all the bs and insults, etc. sure, we can go in and delete what you write, but that's contrary to the philosophy of this board.
if it's true that you love the people that suffered with you at the hands of quacks, molesters and mindfuckers from the conformity factory, then why not let them say their piece? you're allowed to say yours and nobody tries to stop you, so why do you try to ruin things for the people you claim to love? is that what you're reduced to these days? i can see your point but, dude, you're going about things in the wrong way.
we all try to live and let live. the last thing i personally would like to do is act like the people from the programs and force people to say what i want them to or get rid of their statements. i won't do that and neither will ginger or the other moderators here. the reason being is that, at the very least, the way you've been acting here is just about the best possible anti-program advertising that can be had for free. 23 months at one abusive program and however long at another mindfuck factory and this is how you turn out.
so i guess do what you gotta do, but let everyone else do what they feel they have to do. i mean, are you really such a petty, viscious animal? i'd like to think not. as raw as your comments are, you seem to have some smarts. i'm just not sure why you want to act that way and it's none of my business anyway. all i'm asking is that you let other people do what they have to do. i guess in the end it will work itself out.
i just hope that you understand that the people here post what they do not to get back some piece of their life or to "get over it" or whatever. people post the truth about programs here in hopes that OTHER KIDS won't be mistreated, abused, raped, starved, beaten and medicated into submission by the sadistic, money hungry bastards that run these places.
look, we have no hope of competing with them economically and we all know that none of them will be "brought to justice" so we just hope to educate the desperate parents out there maybe just enough not to place their kid into the care of those who damaged and abused us. i think you understand that and i hope you'll make the necessary adjustments to allow this place to operate more routinely.
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2006, 08:10:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 08:17:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thank you bro. For now on, I'm done being a jerk-off. I will have my opinions, and will tell people to stop whining as I have in the past, but I appreciate the last post you made and will stop fucking around so much. :tup: Have a great Saturday nite, Ill have a Vodka and Tonic for ya ! "
sounds pretty good, brother. i like a nice v&t myself from time to time. have a good time, man. thanks for listening. i really appreciate it.
Post by: Troll Control on January 07, 2006, 08:28:00 PM
btw, this is dysfunction junction. sorry i didn't log in before writing up that post.
g'nite and have fun.
Post by: Antigen on January 07, 2006, 08:43:00 PM
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On 2006-01-07 17:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thank you bro. For now on, I'm done being a jerk-off. I will have my opinions, and will tell people to stop whining as I have in the past, but I appreciate the last post you made and will stop fucking around so much. :wink:Busy, curious, thirsty fly, Drink with me, and drink as I.
-- William Oldys (1696-1761): On a Fly drinking out of a Cup of Ale.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 08, 2006, 11:45:00 AM
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On 2006-01-07 17:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"And one more thing before I go, Robert is a complete asshole that I have NO respect for. Im anti-programs as he is, but can not tolerate the way he handles statements and/or questions. Please don't expect me to change my ways with ths guy. He exemplifies the characters taht belong in programs in the first place. Take it light bro, I'm outta this joint :wink: "
Oh no a degenerate loser pedofile who thinks he can do "black magic" doesnt respect me! What will I do? Probably not lose any sleep over it, trust me.
Whats the matter Short Bus? Why dont you like the way I handle statements and questions? Im preety direct and straight forward. Is it my fault youre to stupid to understand them? No, so dont blame your low mental capacity on me, cause I really dont care.
Oh and since you know nothing of the circumstances which led to my placement in HLA or what my time there was like why not tell us all how I exemplify the characters that belong there.
Also your own bullshit is catching up on you. You claim you were at HLA for 16 months, yet you also claim to be someone we all know. Since the only way we would all know you is for you to be staff. You would also have to be a staff member that has been there essentially the entire time. The only ones that come to mind would be Bill, Len, Lee, and Jim I think. I really dont think youre any of those people, so explain yourself Short Bus. Lets see this new leaf in action.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 12:47:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 19:25:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"Her name is not Susie. "
:rofl: :wave:
Post by: SHH on January 20, 2006, 12:55:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 01:09:00 PM
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On 2005-11-24 07:59:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"That is why in this country it is "Innocent until proven guilty", not Guilty until proven innocent. "
That settles it. You're guilty. Proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be an absolute fraud.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 01:12:00 PM
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On 2006-01-06 03:58:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"According to someone who posted here, Ginger stated you cannot run someone's IP address from this board
Can someone verify this?"
Consider it verified, Cybill.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 09:55:00, SHH wrote:
"Well its not....my name is not Susie"
...it's Cybill.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 01:28:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 01:31:00 PM
He's always saying he can ID people. Out them, embarrass them in their real lives. Seems to take a lot of pleasure it too.
So where does he work, who pays him as employers or clients? What would his business associates think of a grown man spending this much time around a drug-glorifying chat room like this one What would they think of the content of his posts the paranoia the egotism.
And we know he's some kind of mid-level manager in a computer related company. Security I think. Wonder what they'd think if they got turned on to Fornits and saw how he trolls around outing people
So does anyone know where he works (name the company please)
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stevie DJ Wonder is good at dishing out. But can he take it?
He's always saying he can ID people. Out them, embarrass them in their real lives. Seems to take a lot of pleasure it too.
So where does he work, who pays him as employers or clients? What would his business associates think of a grown man spending this much time around a drug-glorifying chat room like this one What would they think of the content of his posts the paranoia the egotism.
And we know he's some kind of mid-level manager in a computer related company. Security I think. Wonder what they'd think if they got turned on to Fornits and saw how he trolls around outing people
So does anyone know where he works (name the company please)
"
SYMANTEC.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 01:48:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Stevie DJ Wonder is good at dishing out. But can he take it?
He's always saying he can ID people. Out them, embarrass them in their real lives. Seems to take a lot of pleasure it too.
So where does he work, who pays him as employers or clients? What would his business associates think of a grown man spending this much time around a drug-glorifying chat room like this one What would they think of the content of his posts the paranoia the egotism.
And we know he's some kind of mid-level manager in a computer related company. Security I think. Wonder what they'd think if they got turned on to Fornits and saw how he trolls around outing people
So does anyone know where he works (name the company please)
"
I find it interesting that you dont have a problem with Dolores and Joe trying to ID myself and others on here. Yet you claim to take issue when you falsly accuse Dysfuction of doing the same thing?
Why the double standard? Oh wait my apologies, I forgot who I was talking to. You just cant help yourself.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 03:44:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 09:55:00, SHH wrote:
"Well its not....my name is not Susie"
At this point it wouldn't be a stretch for HLA to try to shut this lady up. She's done nothing but damage their reputation. If I were the owner, I would want her stopped. Nothing she says about the place or its employees is true, so she's just further damaging their reputation by being their representative here.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 04:06:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 04:15:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 13:06:00, RobertBruce wrote:What a loser.
"Shhhh dont give them any ideas. "
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
So does he really work at SYMANTEC or somewhere else? C'mon people who this fool has insulted,lets put our heads together
And SYMANTEC:is their corporate office in a 408 phone zone? Where else are they in the US, I haven't had time to look.
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 05:02:00 PM
Be honest though, all of you putting your heads together isnt going to accomplish anything.
There just isnt enough there to get the job done.
Sorry. :roll:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:07:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:18:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:Weiner.
"So anyway what is Steve's last name?"
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:34:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
Will she release it though?
Something like that could get her into serious trouble.
Tough call Bullfrog.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
I'll contact her
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
I'll be sure to make sure she's first on the subpena list to testify and charged as a co-defendant with after you call his work harrassing him and are brought up before a defemation suit.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 14:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:OMG, what a dork! :lol:
"Glad I could help.
I'll be sure to make sure she's first on the subpena list to testify and charged as a co-defendant with after you call his work harrassing him and are brought up before a defemation suit. "
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:49:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 14:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"A lawsuit? For wrongful death? For money laundering? :scared: :lol: Get real kid."
Can you not read? At no point did anyone mention wrongful death or money laundering. Wow you people are worse off than I thought.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:51:00 PM
If I ran a company I'd want to know if my employees were acting like psychos on line. Especially on my dime during work hours.
Thanks I'll take my legal advice from an attorney not some kid with a computer and an inflated idea of who he is
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 05:53:00 PM
If you call his work and make slanderous statements to his boss that are untrue, for example claiming he's acting like a psycho, he can sue the shit out of you.
As well Cybie would be implicated for once again releasing confidential information.
Oh and my idea of me is not inflated at all, I know exactly who I am and what I'm capable of. I have no need to exagerate.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 05:57:00 PM
You tell his employer about his postings which are public. It's up to the employer to decide if he's a psycho. Shouldn't be too hard.
See little man that way you haven't done anything illegal. And the facts will speak for themselves
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:04:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
So is English your first language? Cuz that's a real unusually constructed post.
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 06:31:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No fool, you don't call his work and SAY he's a psycho.
You tell his employer about his postings which are public. It's up to the employer to decide if he's a psycho. Shouldn't be too hard.
See little man that way you haven't done anything illegal. And the facts will speak for themselves"
Oh but Cybie still has. Are you going to be willing to send her up the river? Besides when you call this boss of his, how can you prove it was in fact Dysfuction? Also in the event his boss can run a search how do you know he isnt allowed to post on message boards?
To many variables, and the best part is your whole argument is moot. Youre just that fucking stupid and you have no idea. So go ahead waste your time. I assure its all in vain.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert and this suinng talk has been getting really old lately. I'd prefer to just knock the fucking shit out of you, pussy. But I wouldn't do that for I may get "sued" :scared: "
Uh oh that almost sounded like a threat. Better be careful, wouldnt want me calling your boss now would you dipshit?
On top of that the fact that you couldnt beat the shit out of your own ass makes your entire comment preety pointless.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 06:54:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 14:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No fool, you don't call his work and SAY he's a psycho.
You tell his employer about his postings which are public. It's up to the employer to decide if he's a psycho. Shouldn't be too hard.
See little man that way you haven't done anything illegal. And the facts will speak for themselves"
Only one little problem. He's the boss. There's nobody to go to over him. So, if you do get to report him, you'll only be reporting to him, so it won't matter.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
But of course he must have clients. So if your right and he is the boss the next step is to tell the clients about Steve's preoccupations here
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 15:32:00, RobertBruce wrote:
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On 2006-01-20 15:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert and this suinng talk has been getting really old lately. I'd prefer to just knock the fucking shit out of you, pussy. But I wouldn't do that for I may get "sued" :scared: "
Uh oh that almost sounded like a threat. Better be careful, wouldnt want me calling your boss now would you dipshit?
On top of that the fact that you couldnt beat the shit out of your own ass makes your entire comment preety pointless. "
This is getting so fucking stupid. Both of you guys, cut back on the caffeine or meth or whatever. This shit is getting OLD!!
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's helpful.
But of course he must have clients. So if your right and he is the boss the next step is to tell the clients about Steve's preoccupations here"
Good luck with that, retard. You're still on dope even after your program. What a success story.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:09:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
You're still on dope even after your program.
So. Point?
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:13:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:09:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-01-20 16:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
You're still on dope even after your program.
So. Point?"
It's clouding your thinking. This guy is the Vice President of a huge company. Better hit that bong again, son, before reality sets back in on you.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:16:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Shut the fuck up geek."
Oh, you wouldn't say that to me in person, boy. I know that. You're a brave little maggot on the internet. I'd stomp a mudhole in your chest in about three seconds flat. I'll happily beat you into a state of palsy, little boy.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
It's clouding your thinking. This guy is the Vice President of a huge company. Better hit that bong again, son, before reality sets back in on you."
Still not getting what your point is. You can't be a VP or Pres. if you smoke dope? Who's not living in reality? :grin:
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:22:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
Oh, you wouldn't say that to me in person, boy. I know that. You're a brave little maggot on the internet. I'd stomp a mudhole in your chest in about three seconds flat. I'll happily beat you into a state of palsy, little boy."
Hmmm. Who does this remind me of? It'll come to me. :wave:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:24:00 PM
Well now THAT'S insightful.
Do I detect that posters in certain parts of the country have hit the time of day when it's considered respectable to toke up or pound down a few cold ones?
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
Do I detect that posters in certain parts of the country have hit the time of day when it's considered respectable to toke up or pound down a few cold ones?
"
Abso-farking-lutely!! ::cheers::
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 13:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
So does he really work at SYMANTEC or somewhere else? C'mon people who this fool has insulted,lets put our heads together
Looks like it's just you, Barney 5.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:37:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All in good time Steve all in good time"
Which Steve?
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:38:00 PM
You even got my man Short Bus all worked up and into rare form. Well done, gentlemen.
Any complaints you'd like to make about me might as well be submitted directly to me. That's as far as you're going to be able to take it anyway. Go ahead, have at it. Make them reasonable and I assure you that I will listen to you.
Go on then. Complain.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
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Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:42:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So since you have nothing to fear All Powerful One, give us the name of your company"
You've already gotten it. I told you, have at it. Knock yourself out.
And, no, I'm not afraid about what you might do. I have the suspicion it will be limited to your little addle-brained rants here on the board.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 15:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Robert and this suinng talk has been getting really old lately. I'd prefer to just knock the fucking shit out of you, pussy. But I wouldn't do that for I may get "sued" "
So is English your first language? Cuz that's a real unusually constructed post."
Careful there Barney 5, the troll is your ONLY ally. Piss him off and he'll be looking for your employer.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So since I've already gotten it why not just say what it is. After all nobody can harm you, you're sure I'm just going to rant on the board. So what are you afraid of?"
S-Y-M-A-N-T-E-C.
Listen, I have a few things to take care of. You go ahead and get back to me with your little list of demands or whatever and I'll have a look in the morning.
I'll play along. Go ahead and extort me.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-20 17:08 ]
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
But getting back to the subject:what IS the name of your company? Or is the big bad VP kinda scared to disclose?
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
So with him being the VP who are you going to complain to?
No one. Give it up, you claim you'll bring this to the attention of his clients? How are you going to get ahold of his client listing?
idiot. I told you not to waste your time.
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:57:00, RobertBruce wrote:1000 posts! Congrats loser!! :lol:
"Are you that fucking stupid? He just said it retard.
So with him being the VP who are you going to complain to?
No one. Give it up, you claim you'll bring this to the attention of his clients? How are you going to get ahold of his client listing?
idiot. I told you not to waste your time. "
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
Do I detect that posters in certain parts of the country have hit the time of day when it's considered respectable to toke up or pound down a few cold ones?
"
Amen. AND it's Friday.
Isn't there a 12-step group you could run off to? Cause you're really, like, crashing the party.
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Drop the alternative personna boy: what IS the name of your supposed company?"
Symantec Internet Security.
Is that specific enough? Geez. I told you: put together your little list of demands and I'll get back to you in the morning.
This is tedious, little fella.
If you're going to talk to my clients, you may want to start with half of the people on this board. Anyone who's running Norton Anti-Virus or Norton Personal Firewall is part of my sales base.
I'm sure you'll find lots of takers who want to complain about me. If you don't like me, don't use our products. That's the best advice I can give you, junior.
Have a nice night.
_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-01-20 17:07 ]
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:33:00 PM
Don't hold your breath about the list, but I'm sure you'll be brought into the loop at some point
And you have a lovely night also
:cry2:
Post by: The Alterboy on January 20, 2006, 10:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
So does anyone know where he works (name the company please)
"
Ottowa, DJ will not be working for awhile. He'll be receiving treatment at SIBS for SPD.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 01:17:00 AM
What? Again??
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 08:38:00 AM
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On 2006-01-20 19:37:00, The Alterboy wrote:
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On 2006-01-20 10:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
So does anyone know where he works (name the company please)
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Ottowa, DJ will not be working for awhile. He'll be receiving treatment at SIBS for SPD."
For SPD? Sensory Processing Disorder? I thought you folks only helped druggies?
Have you spoken with the management there? I have been contracted to install SIBS v2.0 on all of the new patients. Are they now saying that they're sending the StraightMobile out for me? This is an interesting turn of events.
Now, as for Ottawa Jr., I'm not sure why he's so upset with me. After all, it was his Mommy Dearest who posted her particulars all over the internet, not me. I can provide you the links if you like, son.
In addition to the aforementioned fact, your Mommy has also posted your particulars on the internet as well. I haven't. Since she's so proud of your "graduation" from RMA she couldn't help but talk about it on several forums in addition to this one. I can understand your embarrassment in regard to this issue. I wouldn't want my mother putting my information out on the internet, especially if I had a history of attending therapeutic facilities.
She talks in glowing terms about how "successful" you are, but that certainly doesn't bear out based on your behavior and your admission that you're still doing drugs and drinking to excess (not to mention your threats to rape another poster's wife - that's a different, terribly disturbing story altogether). She seems to think you've grown up and are sober. Maybe she's suffering from SPD and can't accurately process the information coming form her eyes and ears? Or maybe she just doesn't want to believe that her precious CEDU program made such a horrible mess of her beloved baby boy?
Don't you think maybe your anger is better directed at your Mom? She's the one that put your family business out there for all to see, not me. I think you're old enough now that she can't send you back to a program for confronting her, so why not go to the source?
If you have some kind of reasonable request to make of me, I've told you that I'm listening. Make some kind of logically constructed argument based in reality about what you'd like for me to change about my approach here and I will thoughtfully consider it. Your petty and impotent threats are truly an expression of your own vanity. While they may make you feel better, make you think you have some control over my life, or are just plain old attention-seeking behavior, they quite simply don't change a thing.
Regardless of how you prattle on with your little soliloquy or fly off on your little diatribes, it will have no effect upon how I conduct myself here or elsewhere. I have told you that if you have some valid argument about why I should or should not do something a certain way, I will gladly consider your responsible advice.
I find it hard to understand why someone who is supposedly a well-adjusted college student can't make a single thoughtful point. If somehow you marshall the ability to do so, I'll be here.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 09:11:00 AM
Way confusing in a bunch of ways but still real funny and isn't that what this forum is about
Cuz it sure isn't about helping or enlightening anybody
Hey Steve you got up pretty early on a Saturday morning to blurt all that out didn't you? Clearly you've got some kind of burr under your saddle, hope it doesn't interfere with your big important job.
Maybe it's just me but if I had stock in a company I'd want my execs' public presentation to be a little different.
And I don't know what the writer had in mind but SPD can stand for a whole number of things, I was thinking of Sadistice Personality Disorder myself But that was based on the way you treat other people at this board
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 10:26:00 AM
Lady, you have got some serious problems.
How 'bout we assign all these posts to your username from your IP address?
A trace of your IP address:
IP Address 24.118.46.231 US UNITED STATES MINNESOTA ST. PAUL COMCAST CABLE COMMUNICATIONS HOLDINGS INC
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(*Physical address truncated for privacy reasons, but it's right next to the country club)
"I've got to say it Ginger, I get the sense of some kind of burr under your saddle..."
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Pretty atypical phraseology, ma'am. Used exactly twice in the enitire history of this forum.
Oh, Ottawa! Have you no shame? Letting people here think it was your little sociopathic kid while the whole time it's you posing as a teenager?
What would your advisor at U of M say about your behavior? And you're a psychology student? Please.
For Christ's sake, woman, you need a lot of help!
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
And ?bantering? with RB is?
***?Maybe it's just me but if I had stock in a company I'd want my execs' public presentation to be a little different.?
Oh get off it Ottowa. The user name DJ has not been associated with any company, much to your distress. You?re the only one who would like to see that accomplished.
And since you made this public, what ?loop? might DJ be pulled into?
The way HE treats others? You have deduced that anyone who didn?t benefit from a program is intellectually inferior, and have treated survivors here with disdain.
Why are you still here? What research are you conducting now? How to banter (manipulate, bait) someone half your age on an internet forum, then criticize them for biting? That?s bait and punish. So very program of you.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
Tell me lady why would you or your fucked up idiot son want to blame Dysfunction?
Your problem you accept the consequences. In the meantime continue making your idle meaningless threats and providing hours of entertainment for us over on this end.
Oh and from the look of things it turns out you will be the one spoken about to your higher ups.
Have a great day.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
Just wondering, I could be wrong
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:24:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:25:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:26:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:29:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:30:00 PM
PM if you like.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
Well who knows what the future will bring?
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:34:00 PM
Who in the history of the planet has ever wanted to PM you?
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Well Annie I will say I like my job just fine, and leave it at that for the moment.
Why are you interested in me I wonder? I have nothing to do with CEDU and had never heard of it prior to coming onto this site.
Are you seeking information about me because I embarressed you and your junkie son the other night?
It happens.
Be careful though, from what Ive seen youve left plenty of personal information out there for the world to see, you seem to want to mess with us, but in reality it would much much easier for us to mess with you.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 15:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
""PM if you like"
Who in the history of the planet has ever wanted to PM you?"
More than you can imagien son.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:41:00 PM
Let's play it though cuz it's funny and you are such a dork
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
If you are Anne (or her junkie son) then the question has been answered and that aspect of the conversation is finished.
If you arent then the question remains to you.
Either answer it or shut up about it.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:48:00 PM
You should be honored that I'm even talking to you
Little confused about my junkie son though but that;s ok, it sounds like your confused about a lot of things Robert.
But about the hardware store, the nuts and bolts the nice concrete life, go for it, fill me in
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 15:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Then I guess you won't be answering it but I do have the sense of very concrete things"
One concrete thing: you're a creepy, nasty bitch, Anne. You and your rape fantasizing junkie kid both.
Wonder if SOS has your exact address?
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 06:54:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:54:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
Remember we've got a county trap on our phone line for random psycho communications
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:01:00 PM
So I believe you asked me another question.
Quid Pro Quo Annie.
I answered something for you, now you answer something for me.
Why are you interested?
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:06:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:03:00, Anonymous wrote:Whoa, you got this kids info? who is this>?
"there's nothing illegal about telling anyone exactly where you live. i have no problem giving out your address and phone number. if you have to deal with random psychos, oh well, that's your problem, not mine. "
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 15:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Go for it, if somebody violates the law I'll deal with it. If not, well then I'll deal with it too too.
Remember we've got a county trap on our phone line for random psycho communications"
and that helps trace a disposable cell phone how?
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:08:00 PM
If you release his information on line, and someone comes and committs a felony, you can be charged as an accessory before the fact. You gave out information to someone with the intent to harm him.
Tell me you arent this stupid. If thats really the case the addmission policy of UM must be entirely open door.
Either way though the point is moot. Just because you were embarressed and dumb enough to release your own information in no way suggest you are smart enough to learn any signifigant information about the rest of us.
You cant track him down, thus you have nothing to release.
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Go for it and fuck you I"ll deal with the consequences and so will you"
you're in the phonebook, you dumb cunt. anyone can look you up without a problem. are you going to have the phone company arrested for publishing it?
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:12:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:14:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-21 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
you're in the phonebook, you dumb cunt. anyone can look you up without a problem. are you going to have the phone company arrested for publishing it?"
Idiot you have to know who to look up in the first place.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:15:00 PM
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:17:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:14:00, RobertBruce wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-01-21 16:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
you're in the phonebook, you dumb cunt. anyone can look you up without a problem. are you going to have the phone company arrested for publishing it?"
Idiot you have to know who to look up in the first place. "
yeah, anne hall from minneapolis, robby. she's in the white pages. one block from the country club.
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:20:00 PM
this shit was posted long ago. it's been public for quite some time.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
:smile:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
Remember that anything you put out there is tracable in one way or another. and if anything happens to this lady: do you know the meaning of "accessory".
Oh yeah-if something did happen, well,you might not consider it fair for you to be blamed.
But if anything actually does happen to this person by reason of your posted: it will be a court-and not any of you yahoos-who decide what is fair and what isn't
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm telling you: if posting this info makes sense to you: DO IT and let the chips fall where they may
Remember that anything you put out there is tracable in one way or another. and if anything happens to this lady: do you know the meaning of "accessory".
Oh yeah-if something did happen, well,you might not consider it fair for you to be blamed.
But if anything actually does happen to this person by reason of your posted: it will be a court-and not any of you yahoos-who decide what is fair and what isn't"
You've been watching way too much TV. ::bwahaha::
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
To bad for you Annie, should have paid more attention in school I guess.
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Post URL: http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=0#137764 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=11895&forum=11&start=0#137764)
this shit was posted long ago. it's been public for quite some time."
Look at this post. Like the poster said, it's already out there, Annie. Go talk to the person that posted it. Why do you bother with people that had nothing to do with it?
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
Enough banter, do what you have to do
:cry2:
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:36:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-21 16:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Quote
On 2006-01-21 16:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm telling you: if posting this info makes sense to you: DO IT and let the chips fall where they may
Remember that anything you put out there is tracable in one way or another. and if anything happens to this lady: do you know the meaning of "accessory".
Oh yeah-if something did happen, well,you might not consider it fair for you to be blamed.
But if anything actually does happen to this person by reason of your posted: it will be a court-and not any of you yahoos-who decide what is fair and what isn't"
You've been watching way too much TV. ::bwahaha:: "
Keep telling yourself that and go ahead and post the information you dont have.
Oh and in a couple of days that banging on the door followed by the people busting in your house and hauling you away in chains...try and act suprised for the news cameras.
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What part of "GO FOR IT" don't you get?
Enough banter, do what you have to do"
What part of "It's already posted" don't you get? God, you're pathetic.
If you're so hot about it, go deal with the guy who posted it. He's your old buddy from another forum. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you. He really misses your little druggie kid who threatened to rape his wife. It'll be a nice reunion for you sick bastards.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:36:00, RobertBruce
Keep telling yourself that and go ahead and post the information you dont have.
Oh and in a couple of days that banging on the door followed by the people busting in your house and hauling you away in chains...try and act suprised for the news cameras. "
Lady I don't know shit about you. I haven't the first clue who you are other than what I've read here the past couple of weeks. I'm not ShortBus, RB or anyone else. Just someone who's been watching this forum for signs of intelligent life among all the back and forth crap between a couple of you. Damn people! The drama of it all :roll: Get off this shit and back to some semblance of relevant issues.
RB, I admire your passion and persistence, but you are letting SB and whoever this HLA person is run you around.
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 07:48:00 PM
Hence right now Annie is threatening to release personal information that she doesnt have. She is doing this because she is mad that someone from a different board reposted the information she was stupid enough to publish online.
She fails to realize though that no one else can be consequenced for her own stupidity. However if she were even capable of making good on her idle threat (she cant) she can be consequenced for releasing such information. Shes stupid but I believe shes starting to get it.
At this exact moment I believe the only people associated with HLA online is Dysfunction and myself. As we are on the same side there seems little reason to discuss the matter. Annie and her junkie son went to CEDU and Short Bus went to Elan. So far as I know with the exception of yourself there is no one else on right now.
So for the moment I will be entertained by watching this stupid bitch make an ass out of herself and see as she quietly disappears when she realizes we werent lying about the consequences.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 07:58:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 16:52:00, Anonymous wrote:If you no-likey, get the fuck out of here, dumb cunt.
"Point taken and believe me, I'm as anti-program as the come. It just seemed like things degenerated into a 'yes I did - no, you didn't' kind of a thing. You guys proved your points. You busted them, proved them to be either psychotic or lying. We (and yes, there are others that try to follow this forum) saw it. It just got sort of pointless to try and enter into the conversation. Too much tag you're it."
Short Bus
Post by: RobertBruce on January 21, 2006, 08:03:00 PM
Just take a page from your own book.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 08:05:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 17:03:00, RobertBruce wrote:Right on bro.
"Better yet you could leave. Honestly you have nothing to contribute to the conversation, just as you have nothing to contribute to the world.
Just take a page from your own book. "
Post by: Short Bus on January 21, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 09:42:00 PM
Oh and in a couple of days that banging on the door followed by the people busting in your house and hauling you away in chains...try and act suprised for the news cameras."
Oh, really? You fool, you utter fool.
Or on the other hand maybe this is sarcasm.
Because nothing that happens here is worth a hill of beans in the real world.
Out anybody you want, slander whoever, it isn't even actionable in a court because the courts view chat rooms as silly: they have no credibility therefore the content cannot slander anyone.
Say what you will, the best you can do is be amusing: you can't make any real impact on the world in terms of the content of these sad little pages.
:cry2:
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 09:47:00 PM
HLA views whats said on these pages as very actionable. Hence why they have worked very very hard and have gotten several court orders insisting a number of statements be removed from these postings.
Since that is in fact the case it would stand to reason that in fact one can be held accountable for the actions taken even here, silly though it may be.
Furthermore you seem to be missing the point of the entire conversation from which you took the posting. Annie is threatening to release personal information in the hopes that someone will use it to harm Dysfuction, i.e. come to his house and physically attack him. Should such an event occur (it wont Annie is full of shit and has no such info on anyone) she would be very much held as an accessory before the fact.
Read up on a little law before you make comments in which you claim to know what the fuck youre talking about. Because obviously you do not.
Post by: Anonymous on January 21, 2006, 10:14:00 PM
Something in the logic expressed here is so hauntingly familiar
:cry2:
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 08:26:00 AM
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On 2006-01-21 16:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm telling you: if posting this info makes sense to you: DO IT and let the chips fall where they may
Remember that anything you put out there is tracable in one way or another. and if anything happens to this lady: do you know the meaning of "accessory".
Oh yeah-if something did happen, well,you might not consider it fair for you to be blamed.
But if anything actually does happen to this person by reason of your posted: it will be a court-and not any of you yahoos-who decide what is fair and what isn't"
Wow, this is really sad. Is this what your life has degenerated into, Annie Dearest?
Do you really view the world in this way, or is this just how it looks through the bottom of the bottle? Maybe you should clean yourself up, detox, get some therapy and get a fresh start in your life.
You clearly have no joy in this pitiful life you're leading. Seriously, you spend all hours of the day and night baiting and trolling trying to assert control over some strangers that are young enough to be your children. Shouldn't you look to gain some control over your own life?
You are a complete mess, madam, and in need of seriously overdue repair. This much is clear to anyone who has read your pitiful commentary.
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 09:05:00 AM
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Drailed? Honey, your train derailed, caught on fire and blew up. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 09:17:00 AM
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To the Anon (asa TOO-GUTLESS-TO HAVE-A-USERNAME) poster:
You sound most enamoured with the quality of SOS's posts, he is pretty good, though, especially in current company. But why all the spleen against me?
...
That's it for now, I'm too busy to quibble further at the moment, my little daughter told me to check in because she thought I would get a kick out of the pathetic nastiness in your post.
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What about you, you gutless bitch (except for your fat beer gut)? You won't sat who you are, but you get busted out a couple times a year for your absolutely relentless trolling (fixation) on this board. And I've never seen you "too busy to quibble." What a loser!
Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 03:15:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 18:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
Oh, really? You fool, you utter fool.
Or on the other hand maybe this is sarcasm.
Because nothing that happens here is worth a hill of beans in the real world.
Out anybody you want, slander whoever, it isn't even actionable in a court because the courts view chat rooms as silly: they have no credibility therefore the content cannot slander anyone.
Say what you will, the best you can do is be amusing: you can't make any real impact on the world in terms of the content of these sad little pages."
Of course, this is all just silly, immature bickering, isn't it? I mean, only some kind of calculating, sadistic thug would try to pretend otherwise and envoke force of law over this trifling bullshit, right?
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Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
Classic bait and punish strategy. She's really demented.
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
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On 2006-01-21 17:08:00, Short Bus wrote:I love me. :lol:
"Mr. Saturday Night Special! RobertBruce!!! Whats up turkey nuts??! :lol: "
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 03:35:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteI love me. :lol: "
On 2006-01-21 17:08:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Mr. Saturday Night Special! RobertBruce!!! Whats up turkey nuts??! :lol: "
What do you think about your 50 year old, drunken idiot buddy Anne picking on children, SB?
Curious to see if the ultimate delinquent might think her behavior is a little messed up?
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 03:45:00 PM
SB
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 03:51:00 PM
This is a wealthy woman who is supposedly a psychology student calling kids "buttfuck," etc., then threatening to sue them if they respond.
She's pretty pitiful, bro. She can't make it in the adult world, so she goes after kids to gratify her need to hurt people.
Post by: Short Bus on January 22, 2006, 03:52:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on January 22, 2006, 03:55:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on January 22, 2006, 04:21:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 12:55:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Upper West Side tonight my nigga! 68th and Broadway."
Have a good time, bro. Be careful and don't get arrested.
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on January 22, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
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On 2006-01-22 12:51:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
She comes in here (as an adult, mind you) and flames the shit out of kids posting here until she gets them out of whack, then tries to bait them into posting her address and phone number so she can sue them.
This is standard scapegoating practice, isn't it? Think about the kind of advice TOUGHLOVE give to parents. Snoop on your kids, deny them all privacy and autonomy. Constantly accuse them or insinuate that, whatever they're doing with whomever, there's something bad or subversive or sneaky about it. Drive them bug all fuckin' nuts like an obsessive, jealous, paranoid spouse. Then, when you're able to push them over the edge, call them ODD and then call some thug to drag them outa their beds ad night to 'solve' the problem you cooked up w/ their recipe.
The fucked up thing is that they actually believe their own bullshit. Any amount of scrutiny of it is like casting sunlight on a vampire; they screech and howl and go scurrying back into the shadows asif their life depends on it.
And, in a big way, it does. This is why the parents are nearly always so much more brainwashed than the kids. The kids go through the process and are coerced to take one course of action or another to cope. The parents go through a somewhat similar mindfuck, but they all have done something in the interest of working the Program that we have not. They have sacrificed their children to the Program. In order to see the program for what it is, they'd have to reassess what kind of people they are.
That it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can provide evidence which logically justifies that certainty. This is what agnosticism asserts and in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism.
--Thomas Henry Huxley, English biologist
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 03:57:00 PM
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On 2005-04-16 15:39:00, Eudora (fka ~ Antigen) wrote:
"Anon, do you ever think? Just go take a look at the SIBS website. What? No SIBS website? What a slacker I am! I need to get a SIBS website up pretty soon. How about the Florida Dept of State Corporations listing. No SIBS there either, huh?
You are SO gullible. Now I understand your undying support for HLA. You're just that plain stupid.Duct tape is like the force; it has a light side and a dark side and it holds the universe together.
--Jedi Knight school drop out.
"
Look at the response.
Quote
On 2005-04-16 19:17:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"What is HLA?"
What is HLA.... ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bwahaha2:: ::ftard::
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 04:00:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 04:31:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 06:45:00 PM
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On 2005-11-17 14:30:00, Anonymous wrote:Suzanne? Where art thou?
"Please, let's use this more appropriate thread to banter with mindless trolls like Mrs. Bill Gray.
Carry on, people. Carry on."
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 07:30:00 PM
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On 2005-04-16 19:17:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"What is HLA?"
What is HLA.... ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bwahaha2::
Post by: Short Bus on February 12, 2006, 07:32:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 12, 2006, 09:02:00 PM
What was the plan Cybie? Trying to get some libelous statements out of someone? Or just playing stupid?
Post by: Anonymous on February 12, 2006, 09:06:00 PM
So, SHH. What the hell was that all about?
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
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On 2006-02-12 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"She completely ignored that when it was originally posted. Gee, wonder why? ::bwahaha2::
So, SHH. What the hell was that all about?"
Bumpity bumpity! :wave: SHH, why would you be asking what HLA is?
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
Post by: SHH on February 13, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 06:56:00 PM
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On 2006-02-12 16:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"QuoteOn 2005-04-16 19:17:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"What is HLA?"
What is HLA.... ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bwahaha2:: "
Post by: SHH on February 13, 2006, 07:07:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 07:11:00 PM
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On 2006-02-13 16:07:00, SHH wrote:
"I dont know what that is. I know what HLA is obviously. I wonder if someone was using my computer at work and was looking at the website or something. sometimes we share our terminals. and i post from there sometimes. "
Nice try. http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=10#95826 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=9171&forum=9&start=10#95826) ::bigsmilebounce:: ::bwahaha2::
Post by: RobertBruce on February 13, 2006, 07:57:00 PM
No one but you is that stupid. Obviously you wanted to pretend you hadnt heard of HLA for some pointless reason.
So spill it.
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2006, 08:01:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 14, 2006, 01:39:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 14, 2006, 06:49:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on February 15, 2006, 04:23:00 PM
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On 2006-02-13 17:01:00, Anonymous wrote:This here post is from Arthur, the sick fucker from the elan board, who is now trying to attack me because everyone HATES his gay ass. Please ignore this junkie from here on, folks.. All my pure love and devotion, Short Bus :wave:
"short bus,, go find some kids to dwiddle you sick freak"
Post by: Anonymous on February 16, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
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On 2006-02-15 13:23:00, Short Bus wrote:
"QuoteThis here post is from Arthur, the sick fucker from the elan board, who is now trying to attack me because everyone HATES his gay ass. Please ignore this junkie from here on, folks.. All my pure love and devotion, Short Bus :wave: "
On 2006-02-13 17:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"short bus,, go find some kids to dwiddle you sick freak"
Everyone already was ignoring it. For two days that post sat there until you bumped it back up.
I'm still looking for SHH to answer why she would be asking "what is HLA" while she was posting anonymously.
Post by: RobertBruce on February 16, 2006, 09:34:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 09:54:00 AM
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 05:33:00 PM
Post by: SHH on February 18, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 06:06:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 07:22:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 15:06:00, RobertBruce wrote::rofl: :rofl: :tup:
"So was your birth but cant cry over spilled milk now can we?"
Post by: RobertBruce on February 18, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
Got your PM, that sucks but Im glad to see it looks like eventually things will be okay.
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 07:25:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 14:42:00, SHH wrote:Yeah, she loves me..I have her name tattooed on my arm as a matter of fact...She knows Im a hyper kinda guy, but I'm sure her italian ass would fuck your redneck self up in a heartbeat, ya fucking twat muncher... :lol:
"Short Bus does your mama know you talk like that? That was unnecessary. "
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 07:26:00 PM
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On 2006-02-18 16:25:00, RobertBruce wrote:Thanks bro..
"If you only knew the power of the dark side.
Got your PM, that sucks but Im glad to see it looks like eventually things will be okay. "
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 07:27:00 PM
Post by: Richard Pryor on Fire on February 18, 2006, 07:33:00 PM
Post by: Short Bus on February 18, 2006, 07:40:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
Post by: Troll Control on February 19, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: Richard Pryor on Fire on February 20, 2006, 04:31:00 AM
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On 2006-02-18 16:40:00, Short Bus wrote:
"Who's the 3rd party, faggot? "
That's you, sweet tits.
And yeah I went to HLA so fuck you too. You think some random ass cat just stumbled on this board and started posting?