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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 14, 2005, 04:54:00 PM

Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
okay this fucking board is making me sick. im gonna address people specifically, fuck being nice.

aften: you make a lot of generalized statements "all students throw themselves pity parties" "everyone blames other people for their problems" WELL I SAY SHUT THE FUCK UP. seriously, who the fuck are you? some little turd who got therapy and now thinks they are the end all be all of good sense? no fucking way. you dont know me, not for a second. Pity parties? not fucking me. I made my bed (HLA) and i fucking lied in it. im not here to talk about my problems or what i did, rather simply connect with with fellow alumni of that shithole. fuck that place, and fuck anyone that supports it. it is a corrupt organization that has fucked a lot of people and i dont give a shit what anyone says because NOBODY knows everything that has happened there, NOBODY.

Robertbruce: youre a good guy, really you are, but you let people bait you. just do what i do, punch them in the face...oh wait its over the internet, then ignore them.

everyone else bitching back and forth:
1) if your trying to sound tough, youre not. its fucking lame, and if you really feel all that tough, hop on a plane to philly and hop in a boxing ring with me. seriously. ill even help you pay your medical bills afterard.
2) if your trying to run shit, you don't. 99.5 percent of you have no clue what real life is and talk like children who are trying to explain things to adults. its ridiculous.
3) hidden lake was a personalized experience. It helped some of us, it hurt some of us. BUT IT IS AT NO TIME ANYONES FUCKING PLACE TO TELL OTHERS WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE WAS LIKE, ONLY THEIR OWN. EVERYONE WENT THROUGH IT DIFFERENTLY, NOBODY IS WRONG, EVERYONE IS JUST A DIFFERENT PERSON.

this board started out as alumni and activists trying to bring about the end of a decadent and ridiculous organization. it has degenerated into a pissing contest and bitch fest that is the most unproductive thing ive ever seen. enough of the lame yo dawg where you at aight check it one ebonic bullshit that makes my eyes bleed. enough of the macho posturing and the know it alls. either post here to help each other or just KINDLY SHUT THE FUCK UP.


DAN KATZ
PEER GROUP 26.

oh and ps, i never hide behind a screen name, or anything else.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2005, 04:59:00 PM
thanks for that dan.
 ::cheers::
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Jarhead6 on November 14, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by: Jarhead6 on 2006-01-25 11:02 ]
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 12:53:00 AM
that was a damn good post dan thank you
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 12:14:00 PM
i think you idiots should read this post better because the same dumbshit keeps happenin
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 02:52:00 PM
bumped just for good ol aften!
you got a pubic hair in your teeth bulldyke.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on November 15, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
excuse me??
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 03:56:00 PM
ok the point of this since that last douchebag missed it wasnt to attack you, aften.

the point of this is to show you what i think is wrong about what you are doing.

dan pg26.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on November 15, 2005, 06:19:00 PM
and what would that be?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2005, 07:50:00 PM
you make too many god damn assumptions and your a fucking know it all who wears her homosexuality like a badge. god forbid anyone smudges that badge and its a big deal, but you can throw it in anyones face every chance you get.
you dont see me talking about all the heterosexual sex i have, because thats not the point of this board.
you came to hidden lake years after robert bruce and i did. you have no clue what it was like for us.
its getting old, and youre getting fucking annoying


dan pg 26.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on November 19, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
and you are getting quite annoying too. you expect that you know everything, dont you? well, you don't.
and no, i do not wear homosexuality as a badge... im not up here talking about my sex life, rather defending my life style preferances...
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on November 19, 2005, 06:52:00 PM
Yet while doing so you choose to ignore the questions put to you....still.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 01:02:00 PM
dude
aften
seriously, you have sex with girls
so do i
which means i could punch you in your face and not feel bad about it
i dont pretend to know everything
i just know a fucking douchebag when i see one
enough of me trying to be mature
i think i just am going to leave it as if i were to ever see you in real life, id make sure you got punched in the face.

dan pg26.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on November 20, 2005, 11:55:00 PM
ok then... you would punch me in the face, eh? i think you just may get the ass whooping you deserved then... hmm...
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on November 21, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
and yet she still ignores them. All while threatening someone through a message board. Intense.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on November 21, 2005, 06:51:00 AM
Dan threatened her first Robert
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2005, 11:29:00 AM
i didnt threaten shit
i stated a desire.
and aften, please, beat me up id love it.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 01, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
im sure you would...
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2005, 02:06:00 PM
great witty response.
seriously toughguy,
you feel big? come to philadelphia, i wont lay hands on you despite our mutual love of vagina which would normally lead me to have no problem with decking you.
ill get my girlfriend to do it. my little cheerleader girlfriend, who id put money on ripping your head off and shitting down your neck if you are really this tough in person
i dont let my keyboard write a check my hands can't cash. i recommend you dont do the same, or you come up here and make your words into actions. you make me sick. i don't lean on violence, but when you are talking to cave men, all they seem to understand is a club over the fuckin head


dan pg 26
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Vindicated on December 01, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
Aften in looking over your previous conversations, although there was a great deal of baiting by both you and RobertBruce, he is correct in that you did make an awful lot of assumptions about people youve never met. Do you still stand by those? I'd also have to go with Dan on your current struggle, you did try and threaten him, which coming from a girl over the internet is kind of pointless dont you think?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 02, 2005, 11:17:00 AM
#1... the generalizations that i make are just that... yes, some people may be excluded, but overall, they are (or were while i was at HLA) correct.

#2... i would really like to know how im getting the blame for threats, when i, in reality, started no threatening remarks at all... (and what point is it that i am a girl??)
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 02, 2005, 07:05:00 PM
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On 2005-12-02 08:17:00, aftenthurston wrote:

"#1... the generalizations that i make are just that... yes, some people may be excluded, but overall, they are (or were while i was at HLA) correct.



#2... i would really like to know how im getting the blame for threats, when i, in reality, started no threatening remarks at all... (and what point is it that i am a girl??)"



Oh but youve changed your tune a little bit now havent you? Now its only the people who were there while you were at HLA, not every single student.

Why the change of heart?

Oh and Vin correct me if Im wrong but I believe the point he was making was that you probably wont win in a fight with Dan, as you are in fact a girl and its probably a safe bet to say hes stronger than you.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 07, 2005, 02:11:00 AM
enough of this fighting bullshit... everyone has their own opinions of everything, and if they didn't this world would be oh so boring... so i beleive it is safe to say, respect my opinions and beliefs, as will i with yours.
aften
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2005, 03:10:00 AM
Ummmm no. I dont respect your thinking you have the right to make assumptions about people youve never met and know nothing about.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 07, 2005, 06:44:00 AM
Mr. Bruce you make assumptions about people youve never met and know nothing about. If its ok for you to do it why is it not ok for Aften to do it? Double standard dont you think?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2005, 12:18:00 PM
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On 2005-12-07 03:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Mr. Bruce you make assumptions about people youve never met and know nothing about. If its ok for you to do it why is it not ok for Aften to do it? Double standard dont you think?"


Not at all. Please toss up said assumptions you believe Ive made.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 10, 2005, 11:03:00 PM
assuming that everyone lived a miserable life while at HLA and was in some way or another abused...
aften
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 10, 2005, 11:22:00 PM
Assuming that everyone who doesn't hold your point of view must be lying
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2005, 05:22:00 PM
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On 2005-12-10 20:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Assuming that everyone who doesn't hold your point of view must be lying"


If either one of you can offer up any sort of proof to your claims Id be very suprised. I have never stated that every person who does not hold my point of view is lying, as well I have certianlly not stated that every student there was abused.

I have made the claims that people such as Bullfrog and Lynn have lied repeatedly about the conditions of HLA. As well I have stated that many students were abused, both claims that can be substantiated. Now aften honey youve made this retarded comment before, as before I am asking you to provide a basis for your comment. Once again though I know you wont. Much like Susie Gray youre far to weak.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 11, 2005, 07:27:00 PM
The sledding was not a lie. But just because you and some other students didn't do it you claim it was a lie. I don't have to show pictures to know what happened in my own life Robert. You act as though if you didn't experience it or see it than therefore it didn't happen at all to anybody else. Quite frankly, that is B.S. and you know it. I don't give a damn whether the few you talk to don't remember it. It happened. My only point in this even though this topic has been beaten to death like an ugly old dead horse (so well stated earlier LOL), is that that is one example of your claiming that if its not how you want to see the school in your own mind, than it must be a lie. Quite narrow minded. And an incorrect assumption.

And yes this is SHH and I am not ashamed of who I am. Your opinion of me is meaningless in my life Robert.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2005, 10:39:00 PM
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On 2005-12-11 16:27:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The sledding was not a lie. But just because you and some other students didn't do it you claim it was a lie. I don't have to show pictures to know what happened in my own life Robert. You act as though if you didn't experience it or see it than therefore it didn't happen at all to anybody else. Quite frankly, that is B.S. and you know it. I don't give a damn whether the few you talk to don't remember it. It happened. My only point in this even though this topic has been beaten to death like an ugly old dead horse (so well stated earlier LOL), is that that is one example of your claiming that if its not how you want to see the school in your own mind, than it must be a lie. Quite narrow minded. And an incorrect assumption.



And yes this is SHH and I am not ashamed of who I am. Your opinion of me is meaningless in my life Robert."


Well of course it is stupid. You have probably come to realize that I and many others who tell you the truth about yourself are correct. To accept that would be detrimental to you, so you convince yourself it just doesnt matter.

Now to once again tear apart your stupid comments. No one is talking about your stupid sleds. Only you care about them. As such there is no need to discuss the matter further unless you can offer some sort of proof as to your claim. If not shut up.

I do love how you make mention of the "few" students I talk to. Try several hundred bullfrog.

Further if youd like to discuss the real issues brought up we can. I notice you are still dodging such questions put to you regarding the physical abuse of students. In fact it appears you had to borrow from my own statement claiming I believe if I did not see something it did not happen. You seem to have us confused Susie that is you.

Please dispute this and give me reason to post all the times youve discounted peoples claims versus all the times Ive discounted peoples claims.

Honestly I relish the oppurtunity to make you look dumb, although it really doesnt require much effort these days.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 07:01:00 AM
Several hundred Robert???? OH please. Arent you just exxagerating just a little bit? And regarding abuse of students, I dont remember specifically what you wanted me answer about that topic. but I did not ever see abuse. Ever. Nor did I hear about abuse. I did, however, hear about some staff who got fired for letting power get to their heads. And as far as living conditions being abuse. Except for the dorm near the gazebo all other dorms were less than 8 yrs old and in good condition. I dont know what they are like now but I know they arent old because I remember when they were all built. AS far as the food issue, I know the issue of different food for restriction was brought up but I never saw kids skinny or malnourished. They have changed that now and I am sure you can agree with me that change is good. But you also have to remember that there were cases where kids would say and do anything just to get released from the school cuz they didnt want to be there. So it has to be taken on a case by case basis the accusations. NOt that all lie, just some. But to tell you the truth, I dont even know why I bother answering the multitude of questions you put forth because not only do you give me so many I cant answer at once, you give me ones you know arent for me to answer, like the licensing thing. And no matter what I type, even if its true, and it is, you slam me and insult my opinions and my personal looks and my intelligence. Go talk to the state if you want to change their rules. Thats not something I would be able to answer anyway. Same with the insurance thing. All I know is some companies pay for the treatment part of the school. I dont know however, the statutes on that in the insurance industry. And whether or not you think I am dumb is irrelevant to me. You arent my boss nor a member of my family or circle of friends. Your opinion means nothing to me.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 01:01:00 PM
What students have lied Susie? And what have they lied about? Specifically.

Now if youd like to discuss the living conditions of the dorms again, I suggest you revisit the earlier post. I and others had a conversation with Bill, he ignored us claiming we had caused the damage, we should be made the ones to live in it.

Are you okay with this philosphy?

Oh and Susie, no I'm really not exagerating anything. I do converse with hundreds of former students. Where do you think I get most of my information?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 12, 2005, 01:43:00 PM
you go on your personal beliefs, and try to make them into facts... that is what you do, and how you try to gain control...
and yes, this is an assumption... however, i feel that there is more truth in that, than anything you have ever said.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 12, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
rather than draw someone back into the discussion who obviously is not the person to be answering any questions about hla, how about giving a detailed account of what the dorms were like. that could be useful. hearing susie ramble is a waste of time.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
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On 2005-12-12 10:43:00, aftenthurston wrote:

"you go on your personal beliefs, and try to make them into facts... that is what you do, and how you try to gain control...

and yes, this is an assumption... however, i feel that there is more truth in that, than anything you have ever said.

"


You feel alot of things Aften honey, predominatly mullets and breast from the shemales you associate with.

Now onto your comments. Im happy to see you can acknowledge the fact that youre very stupid and are just making assumptions. What specific personal belifes of mine do you feel I am claiming to be factual?

List them off please one by one.

Also what am I trying to gain control of?

Do that and then we will talk.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 04:09:00 PM
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On 2005-12-12 12:32:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

rather than draw someone back into the discussion who obviously is not the person to be answering any questions about hla, how about giving a detailed account of what the dorms were like. that could be useful. hearing susie ramble is a waste of time."


Well I have already listed the problems that we brought to Bill. Im interested to see how Susie dodges the questions out of fear before I go into more detail.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
Specifically, Robert, what do you consider to be abusive conditions in the dorms? And which dorm did you stay in while there? And what conditions are you claiming that Bill stated were the students fault?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
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On 2005-12-12 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Specifically, Robert, what do you consider to be abusive conditions in the dorms? And which dorm did you stay in while there? And what conditions are you claiming that Bill stated were the students fault?"


I did list these off to you previously.

Can you not find them?

Need help?

Okay here we go,

1. Roof leaks, any time it rained it came through.

2. Mold-this is of course very healthy.

3. Infestation from both vermin and insects-not the kind that cant hurt you.

4. Faulty plumbing

5. Faulty electrical system

6. Bathroom so disgusting it required a pressure washer to effectivly clean it.

Bill stated they were all our fault.

I do not see why what dorm I was in matters.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 07:04:00 PM
Because the only dorm that had mold was the one by the lake and gazebo because it was old and made of metal originally. All the other dorms were new, meaning, in your time, less than 5 years old. None of the new dorms roofs leaked and if the bathrooms were dirty, maybe the students should have kept it cleaner. As far as roof leaking or electrical problems, if those actually existed they would have called a company.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 12, 2005, 07:35:00 PM
My time? Again you operate as if you know when I was there.

Also tell me real quick. How much actual time did you spend in the dorms?

Also if an outside company needed to be called into repair the problem why wasnt it done in a timely fashion?  

Why was any of it blamed on us?

Dodge evade repeat, always repeat.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 12, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
A timely fashion is your opinion only Robert. Show me proof that it wasnt done in a timely fashion. No proof? Tsk Tsk...I guess if you say its so, then it must be so huh? Yea right.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 12:03:00 AM
Well it wasnt done within six months.


Again my testimony carries more weight than yours does. You keep forgetting that.

You also keep forgetting youve been proven as a liar, I have not.

Any parent looking at this objectivly can see you for what you are bullfrog. Keep fighting it makes it easier.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH on December 13, 2005, 03:59:00 AM
I want proof that it wasnt fixed within 6 months. How do I know youre not making it up? Oh thats right, once again, you have no proof. You could be out and out lying.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 13, 2005, 11:49:00 AM
I could be but Im not. Ill see who I can get on here to back up my claim. There are many who experienced the same issue.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 15, 2005, 05:37:00 PM
where are all these people that experienced the same thing? All i see is you babbling on and on about poor conditions, which no one else backs up... since there are "so many" people that did see this, why don't you go and find them to back you up eh?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Antigen on December 15, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
AftenThurston, just read. The coroboration your asking for is all over this forum. There's probably still some left in the main troubled teen forum too.
 

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923

Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 15, 2005, 07:52:00 PM
its generally the same person making the same claims over and over again, and this is the only "group" or forum that i go to on this site...
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 08:29:00 PM
Well the truth is there more than me. Simply because you choose to ignore other people and block out the truth is neither my problem nor my concern.

Afterall even if it is only me, none of your boss' stooges has ever managed to catch me in a lie or given me a question I couldnt answer. Thus I have more credibility than any of you people.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 15, 2005, 09:41:00 PM
where is your proof of the dorms poor condition? especially because they are all much newer now, and kept in quite good condition... the onyl poor condition that they could possibly be in, is due to the students not cleaning after themselves.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 09:50:00 PM
I see. So its your beliefe that the students are in charge of pest control? And the plumbing? We should have maintained the wiring for the building as well? What about the roof? Should we have scampered up there on weekends and retarred it now and again?

Dont be stupid.

My proof is the testimony of others.

Oh and the pictures I have of the conditions in which we lived.

Also are you operating under the assumption that I just recently atteneded HLA?

The reality is you have no clue when I was there. At all.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 15, 2005, 09:52:00 PM
and i never claimed to know when you were there... where are these so called pictues mr.bruce? where would your hard proof be?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 10:01:00 PM
Again pictures might generally count as "hard proof" (is this a legal term? Lets ask Dan) but as well as the testimony of others.

Just to clue you in I wasnt the only student there.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: aftenthurston on December 15, 2005, 10:01:00 PM
where are the rest of your allies then?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 15, 2005, 10:06:00 PM
At this moment? How should I know? We dont have tracking devices on each other. This is finals time though and many of us are in college so if I had to venture a guess I would say the majority are either at home or the library studying.

I know its what I did with most of my day.

What about you what did you do with your day?

Oh and you didnt answer me about the whole "hard proof" question.

Let me know.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 10:25:00 AM
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On 2005-12-12 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Specifically, Robert, what do you consider to be abusive conditions in the dorms? And which dorm did you stay in while there? And what conditions are you claiming that Bill stated were the students fault?"


Dorm A is a prime example.  Those who've been to HLA (recently, no, put your hand down, not you Susie!) is horribly dirty and smells like human stool when you walk in.  It is so bad that even the teachers and AC's and counselors walk in they know it is horrible.  It is home to HLA students ages 13-16 and one of the main problems of the dorm is that 70% of the kids in the dorm don't clean themselves.  Don't clean themselves? Yes -- don't take showers daily, not even every 2 days, don't wash their clothes, spit on the floor, etc.  Use your imagination, and it probably has happened.  Out of the 48 some odd kids in the dorm, me and about 5 other boys actually took more than one shower a day and cleaned ourselves, and we were all just about best friends and couldn't wait to get moved over to Dorm B.  One morning, I woke up with 38 bug bites -- literally, because I counted them, and this was back in May -- I still have scars from some of them.  As if that wasn't bad enough, my three other room mates had a minimum of 12 bites on each of them.  So what did I do?  Well, "I did what we're supposed to do."  Tell our counselors.

Yeah, that did me a lot of fuckin good.  Just about as good as a North Georgian night staff scratchin his dirty ass -- all it does is waste time and erode his ass skin.

My counselors kept "forgetting" about this important event, so I wrote a two-page email to just about any higher staff member the student computer system would let me e-mail, and then I was told by none other than my mom that thanks to my beautiful proposal, there will now be regular Terminix checks.  My mom was in shock.  "Your in the mountains of North Georgia and you DON'T have regular extermination checks?!?!?"  Bill, yes Susie, settle down, I am saying your ex-husband's name, your big buddy Bill...said "from now on we will."

How cheap, ignorant, stupid, and wrong.  It's good to know my money went somewhere positive.  

Buccellato's downpayments on his new Jaguar.

Anybody who hasn't been there since the late 90's wanna run around and claim they are in great condition?  Try me, I dare you.  We always told the higher staff how bad of a condition Dorm A was in and the response they gave, with a look just about as dirty as the dorm itself, was "motivate your peers to change their habits".  That leaves us clean ones out to dry, when our parents are droppin $6,500 a month and THAT's how we get treated.   They didn't do somethin until my room (Room 18) got slammed with a bug-bite outbreak, and all that did was get monthly extermination.  In the mountains, I'd think you'd need weekly, not monthly, and that still doesn't cover all the other funks and smells and rotting things in the dormitory.

Any takers?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 10:28:00 AM
What kind of bugs bit you?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
never heard of "hard proof"

there is circumstantial evidence
or a preponderance of evidence

thats it.
no "hard proof.
get the fuck outta here.
i love when people sling around bullshit.

danpg26
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Troll Control on December 18, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
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On 2005-12-18 07:25:00, WestSideStud2430 wrote:

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Quote

On 2005-12-12 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Specifically, Robert, what do you consider to be abusive conditions in the dorms? And which dorm did you stay in while there? And what conditions are you claiming that Bill stated were the students fault?"




Dorm A is a prime example.  Those who've been to HLA (recently, no, put your hand down, not you Susie!) is horribly dirty and smells like human stool when you walk in.  It is so bad that even the teachers and AC's and counselors walk in they know it is horrible.  It is home to HLA students ages 13-16 and one of the main problems of the dorm is that 70% of the kids in the dorm don't clean themselves.  Don't clean themselves? Yes -- don't take showers daily, not even every 2 days, don't wash their clothes, spit on the floor, etc.  Use your imagination, and it probably has happened.  Out of the 48 some odd kids in the dorm, me and about 5 other boys actually took more than one shower a day and cleaned ourselves, and we were all just about best friends and couldn't wait to get moved over to Dorm B.  One morning, I woke up with 38 bug bites -- literally, because I counted them, and this was back in May -- I still have scars from some of them.  As if that wasn't bad enough, my three other room mates had a minimum of 12 bites on each of them.  So what did I do?  Well, "I did what we're supposed to do."  Tell our counselors.



Yeah, that did me a lot of fuckin good.  Just about as good as a North Georgian night staff scratchin his dirty ass -- all it does is waste time and erode his ass skin.



My counselors kept "forgetting" about this important event, so I wrote a two-page email to just about any higher staff member the student computer system would let me e-mail, and then I was told by none other than my mom that thanks to my beautiful proposal, there will now be regular Terminix checks.  My mom was in shock.  "Your in the mountains of North Georgia and you DON'T have regular extermination checks?!?!?"  Bill, yes Susie, settle down, I am saying your ex-husband's name, your big buddy Bill...said "from now on we will."



How cheap, ignorant, stupid, and wrong.  It's good to know my money went somewhere positive.  



Buccellato's downpayments on his new Jaguar.



Anybody who hasn't been there since the late 90's wanna run around and claim they are in great condition?  Try me, I dare you.  We always told the higher staff how bad of a condition Dorm A was in and the response they gave, with a look just about as dirty as the dorm itself, was "motivate your peers to change their habits".  That leaves us clean ones out to dry, when our parents are droppin $6,500 a month and THAT's how we get treated.   They didn't do somethin until my room (Room 18) got slammed with a bug-bite outbreak, and all that did was get monthly extermination.  In the mountains, I'd think you'd need weekly, not monthly, and that still doesn't cover all the other funks and smells and rotting things in the dormitory.



Any takers?"

The vermin and insect problems have been brought up by several posters before you.  When I was there, the dorms were in shit condition.  Dirty, wet, moldy, sometimes unheated and without running water.  Seems like more of the same.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 02:19:00 PM
Yet $7000.00 a month is reasonable?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 02:21:00 PM
So far I've seen tuition fees starting at $3,000 a month in older posts and now Robert states that the tuition is $7,000. What is the actual tuition?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
It is currently 7000.00
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 08:57:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-18 07:25:00, WestSideStud2430 wrote:


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On 2005-12-12 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Specifically, Robert, what do you consider to be abusive conditions in the dorms? And which dorm did you stay in while there? And what conditions are you claiming that Bill stated were the students fault?"







Dorm A is a prime example.  Those who've been to HLA (recently, no, put your hand down, not you Susie!) is horribly dirty and smells like human stool when you walk in.  It is so bad that even the teachers and AC's and counselors walk in they know it is horrible.  It is home to HLA students ages 13-16 and one of the main problems of the dorm is that 70% of the kids in the dorm don't clean themselves.  Don't clean themselves? Yes -- don't take showers daily, not even every 2 days, don't wash their clothes, spit on the floor, etc.  Use your imagination, and it probably has happened.  Out of the 48 some odd kids in the dorm, me and about 5 other boys actually took more than one shower a day and cleaned ourselves, and we were all just about best friends and couldn't wait to get moved over to Dorm B.  One morning, I woke up with 38 bug bites -- literally, because I counted them, and this was back in May -- I still have scars from some of them.  As if that wasn't bad enough, my three other room mates had a minimum of 12 bites on each of them.  So what did I do?  Well, "I did what we're supposed to do."  Tell our counselors.





Yeah, that did me a lot of fuckin good.  Just about as good as a North Georgian night staff scratchin his dirty ass -- all it does is waste time and erode his ass skin.





My counselors kept "forgetting" about this important event, so I wrote a two-page email to just about any higher staff member the student computer system would let me e-mail, and then I was told by none other than my mom that thanks to my beautiful proposal, there will now be regular Terminix checks.  My mom was in shock.  "Your in the mountains of North Georgia and you DON'T have regular extermination checks?!?!?"  Bill, yes Susie, settle down, I am saying your ex-husband's name, your big buddy Bill...said "from now on we will."





How cheap, ignorant, stupid, and wrong.  It's good to know my money went somewhere positive.  





Buccellato's downpayments on his new Jaguar.





Anybody who hasn't been there since the late 90's wanna run around and claim they are in great condition?  Try me, I dare you.  We always told the higher staff how bad of a condition Dorm A was in and the response they gave, with a look just about as dirty as the dorm itself, was "motivate your peers to change their habits".  That leaves us clean ones out to dry, when our parents are droppin $6,500 a month and THAT's how we get treated.   They didn't do somethin until my room (Room 18) got slammed with a bug-bite outbreak, and all that did was get monthly extermination.  In the mountains, I'd think you'd need weekly, not monthly, and that still doesn't cover all the other funks and smells and rotting things in the dormitory.





Any takers?"


The vermin and insect problems have been brought up by several posters before you.  When I was there, the dorms were in shit condition.  Dirty, wet, moldy, sometimes unheated and without running water.  Seems like more of the same."


Everything you said is exactly the same way.  I went to the "infirmary doctor", and they said they didn't know what kind of bugs they were.  Everytime I pressured to know, they changed their answer on what kind of bugs they were.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 03:22:00 PM
Bugs in the north georgia mountains that bite:

Fleas
Mosquitos
Spiders
Bedbugs
gnats
centipedes

And,,,,, that's about it.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 04:32:00 PM
Mosquitos-Incephlatis, West Nile, Malaria.

None of which are a big deal.

Spiders-Black Widows-fatal to humans, again not a big deal nor is it by any means the only one.

Fleas-a sign of good health.

Oh and youre leaving off your list things like bees, hornets and wasps. None of which pose a problem for humans.

idiot.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 09:02:00 PM
Are yall forgetting the out-break of Staff Infection on our campus?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 09:07:00 PM
Its called the woods. You city kids should expect bugs to some extent. And Malaria doesn't occur in the United States. And you can't keep spiders out of buildings.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Troll Control on December 18, 2005, 09:38:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 18:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its called the woods. You city kids should expect bugs to some extent. And Malaria doesn't occur in the United States. And you can't keep spiders out of buildings. "

A staph infection is just from being "in the woods?"  It's a nasty virus that usually comes from bodily fluids.  You're a bit off the mark.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Antigen on December 18, 2005, 09:46:00 PM
It's actually staph and we had it in Sarasota Straight, too. It's basically a disease of the unclean.

http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections ... occus.html (http://kidshealth.org/parent/infections/bacterial_viral/staphylococcus.html)

When a kid got a staph infection, they were made to keep a distance from others. It was silly, of course. We were still crammed into the same walk-in-closet sized rooms by the tens, slept together, got 2 min showers (30 seconds for misbehavors) and carpooled, often w/ illegal numbers of passengers. But the kid who got the boils had to sit 8 or 10 feet away from group, austensibly to prevent spread of the dread diseas (which, I shit you not, was always attributed to bad attitude or something)

We had impetigo going around at some point too. You?

Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.
Thomas Jefferson, 1787

Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 18, 2005, 09:48:00 PM
Jesus Anti, its a wonder your alive!! :wink:
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 18:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its called the woods. You city kids should expect bugs to some extent. And Malaria doesn't occur in the United States. And you can't keep spiders out of buildings. "


I see. So in your mind $7000.00 a month couldnt go towards some sort of active pest control. I wonder if I went to Buch's house how many black widows Id find. Along with roaches and other assorted signs of cleanliness.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 10:36:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 18:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Its called the woods. You city kids should expect bugs to some extent. And Malaria doesn't occur in the United States. And you can't keep spiders out of buildings. "


Once again, you are just proving yourself and your whole group of people, the Anti-City/Country People, that you are extremely ignorant and stupid.  If you ask me, there's three kinds of people -- city people, country people, and inbred country people.  I'm a city person, my best friend's a country boy, and your an inbred country person.  Like the North Georgians running HLA.  If you had half a brain cell, you'd know that Malaria DOES occur in the US -- in fact, it can occur anywhere there are mosquitos, and believe me, Dahlonega has TONS of mosquitos, especially in that mountain ridge we like to call the HLA campus.  And thank you, before I was a city kid, I lived in deep suburbs of Boston, Massachusetts, far drive from the city.  I know all about bugs, not to mention I then moved to Texas where I've lived in cities and suburbs, I just live in a city NOW.  And you can spray for spiders, especially certain types of spiders, and any places that house people need to be regularly treated.  Which wasn't happening when I got attacked.  It only started happening after I wrote a two-page-long e-mail to Mr. Gray.  And I do expect bugs.  I live in Texas, you fucking retard.  We have cockroaches bigger than your damn stools.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: SHH Anon Classics on December 18, 2005, 10:58:00 PM
I live in Georgia and find bugs all the time in my house. They come in whether you want them to or not. Spray or don't spray, either way they will find their way in. Spraying usually only prevents fleas, roaches, and termites. Mosquitos come in from the outside as well as spiders. Its much harder to keep them out.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 18, 2005, 11:09:00 PM
Is your mortgage 7000.00 a month? Do you have any children? If so would you refuse to do anything to protect them from potentially fatal insect attacks?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 18, 2005, 11:53:00 PM
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On 2005-12-18 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I live in Georgia and find bugs all the time in my house. They come in whether you want them to or not. Spray or don't spray, either way they will find their way in. Spraying usually only prevents fleas, roaches, and termites. Mosquitos come in from the outside as well as spiders. Its much harder to keep them out."


Well thank you, captain Obvious, by the way all your posts are written there's no way in hell I could have figured out you live in Georgia, to say the least.  Yes, they do come in, no matter what, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be regular scheduled checks every 2 weeks, at least every month.  Once again, I live in Texas, you act like I don't live in an area of the US where there's a crazy amount of insects.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Nonconformistlaw on December 19, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-12-18 19:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I live in Georgia and find bugs all the time in my house. They come in whether you want them to or not. Spray or don't spray, either way they will find their way in. Spraying usually only prevents fleas, roaches, and termites. Mosquitos come in from the outside as well as spiders. Its much harder to keep them out."

Do you wake up to 38 bug bites? I didnt think so. :roll:
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
Personally, I wouldn't want Terminex in there every week. That shit is toxic and more so there due to the windows being locked. The kids really should have good air circulation if pesticides are to be used. Check EPA requirements.

There are non-toxic ways to eliminate pests that will not harm the residents health.

There are only two poisonous spiders, brown recluse and black widow. They are both reclusive. The best defense is to frequently check under furniture for egg sacks and vacuum them up, from spring to fall. Check inside your clothes and bedding.

As far as mosquitoes indoors, they don't like wind so a good ceiling fan is a good deterrant.

Roaches, well, that is a sanitation issue, but
Kids should be educated.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 04:05:00 PM
I have pest control for my apartment. The little man with the can on his back comes round to every apartment once a month and sprays inside and out.

Never any bugs.

Guess what else.

I dont pay 7000.00 a month for my apartment.

If roaches are a sanitation issue why then is it a problem in the dorms.

Students still cant bring food into the dorms correct?

So where is the problem coming from, if not ths students?

Your response to black widows is the same thing Jim said. Perhaps a more proactive approach would be better.  

Spray once a month. 7000.00 a month can afford it.

As well as those ceiling fans you mentioned. Perhaps you could discuss them with Bill Gray. Im sure he'd be open to spending money to place them in every room.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 19, 2005, 04:39:00 PM
I'm with ya that something should be done. If MY child was there, I'd want the least toxic approach employed. It's my understanding that the windows are locked-can't be opened. BTW, how were ya'll instructed to get out of the building in case of fire?
Yeh, roaches are a product of inadequate cleaning. Stinky clothes, plumbing leaks, etc can also attract them, not just food.
I lived in an apt once and refused to allow the monthly spraying. Never had roaches because I knew how to otherwise deter them. Just didn't want to deal with the health risks.
And the ceiling fans would definitely take care of the mosquito problem while sleeping.
Institutions that warehouse children always have a problem with lice, scabies, and other infectuous diseases, as well as pests.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on December 19, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-12-19 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

I'm with ya that something should be done. If MY child was there, I'd want the least toxic approach employed. It's my understanding that the windows are locked-can't be opened. BTW, how were ya'll instructed to get out of the building in case of fire?

Yeh, roaches are a product of inadequate cleaning. Stinky clothes, plumbing leaks, etc can also attract them, not just food.

I lived in an apt once and refused to allow the monthly spraying. Never had roaches because I knew how to otherwise deter them. Just didn't want to deal with the health risks.

And the ceiling fans would definitely take care of the mosquito problem while sleeping.

Institutions that warehouse children always have a problem with lice, scabies, and other infectuous diseases, as well as pests.

 "


Right and is the respondsibility of the children or those who warehouse them to take care of the problem?

You bring an interesting point though. There was no fire saftey. And since all the doors were locked from the outside I wonder if that consituted yet another violation?
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: WestSideStud2430 on December 19, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-12-19 13:05:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"I have pest control for my apartment. The little man with the can on his back comes round to every apartment once a month and sprays inside and out.



Never any bugs.



Guess what else.



I dont pay 7000.00 a month for my apartment.



If roaches are a sanitation issue why then is it a problem in the dorms.



Students still cant bring food into the dorms correct?



So where is the problem coming from, if not ths students?



Your response to black widows is the same thing Jim said. Perhaps a more proactive approach would be better.  



Spray once a month. 7000.00 a month can afford it.



As well as those ceiling fans you mentioned. Perhaps you could discuss them with Bill Gray. Im sure he'd be open to spending money to place them in every room. "


Hell no we can't have food! Kids get in deep shit for that.  It's not our fault our rations are cut.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2005, 12:34:00 PM
:wstupid:
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: Troll Control on January 20, 2006, 12:52:00 PM
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On 2005-12-10 20:22:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:

"Assuming that everyone who doesn't hold your point of view must be lying"


No, but you sure do it a lot, Suzanne.  You are one big, fat liar.  This is abundantly clear.
Title: enough of this bullshit seriously
Post by: RobertBruce on January 20, 2006, 01:27:00 PM
That she does.