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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: sammiegirl on November 12, 2005, 12:01:00 PM
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Thank you to all who called in on the show. I wish I could have been a part of it but alas every one who was were super at getting the point across. I will definatly be calling in on sunday.
I believe this is the key to our Pandoras box and that WE FINALY get JUSTICE.
I have to go to work now and I dont know if Ill make it throuh the day, I am having an energy transference that usualy arrives when something big is about to happen. Call it heightened intuition.
I would like to reccomend that we all write OPRAH and ask her to RETRACT her STRAIGH INC show. Ive written her many times now and Ill continue to write.
Keep the FAITH friends.
And THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU WHO KEEP THE FIRES BURNING!!!!!
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 22:23 ]
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Here is my post from Oprah's forums, Incase it disapears from her forum....::
WHY?
Posted by: withdraw
Posted on: 11/12/2005 at 2:17pm (179 of 179)
Oprah, Why have you never retracted your Story on Straight Inc? Many thousands of children were tortured in that facility, yet you have never retracted your show praising it. The story is big and it is comming out now, Here is a link you and all readers may want to see/hear. Journalist are picking up the story and yet we as suvivors still feel like you praise Straight Inc. I'd like to see a PUBLIC retraction and maybe a show of How we are all now. My parents may have sent me to that horrible torture center after watching your show. If you truly are all for promoting health and peace and growth, Please take the Straight Suvivors seriously and offer us some direction. How does one decompress from this torture? It has been 20 years and I still live in total hell with my memories and scars of Straight Inc. I can not heal from the torture. Please everyone take the time to search the web for Straight Inc and look at the information comming out. The link I am providing is a 1 hour Radio Show ( The Inside Scoop) by Mark Levine. He is extending this show on Sunday Nov 11th. You can link to it and listen in from your computer at his homepage. Please everyone start taking Instiutionilized child abuse seriously.
http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-ar ... 00504.html (http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-archive/000504.html)
My dreams may never be realized because of Straight Inc, and You Oprah were a praiser of it's methods. Please pick up our story and help us heal. Please do not turn away from this American Tragedy.
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Thanks, Withdraw!
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EST (Lifespring) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88
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Ok, I couldn't find my message, so I posted it in several areas and Emailed it to the show under several catagories. I hope to see Oprah pay attention. If she is truly what she says she is.. Someone who promotes growth and healing, She will take notice to our story. We will see.
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On 2005-11-12 11:53:00, Withdraw wrote:
"Ok, I couldn't find my message, so I posted it in several areas and Emailed it to the show under several catagories. I hope to see Oprah pay attention. If she is truly what she says she is.. Someone who promotes growth and healing, She will take notice to our story. We will see."
:nworthy: Go Withdraw!
I may be off base here, but I think more write Oprah, the voice will be louder.
Push that door open, people!
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Though I wasn't in Straight (I was in LIFE), I'd be willing to go on Oprah and tell her of my experience there.
Course that won't help YOUR cause, because I have NO problems with my time at LIFE and what I learned from the experience. In fact, I look back on it as a valuable stepping stone. And not only that, I could come up with a LARGE number of others from there who feel the same way.
So, let's email OPRAH. Could be fun!
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Nice letter, Withdraw.
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WHEN did Oprah feature STRAIGHT on her show?!
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http://boards.oprah.com/WebX?14@208.35L ... 384&view=C (http://boards.oprah.com/WebX?14@208.35LkcwoJo2a.7@.eea6426!skip=2384&view=C)
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Not sure if this will be disapearing from Oprah's forum.... This is in reply to a Pro-Lifer. Please keep an eye on this thread, and correct me if I fumble. I am trying to stay as clear as possible.
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Posted by: withdraw
Posted on: 11/12/2005 at 10:06pm (2395 of 2395)
There are many abusive programs still today.
Straight Inc. was unique in their methods. If you educate yourself on it truly, you will find thousnads of people actually looking for a way to heal. You will find an astounding number of reported torture and abuses. I am desperate to heal from my experience. I don't need any fame, I do need some direction for healing. Oprah aired a show long ago praising Straight Inc. I would like to see that praise retracted or I would have to catagorize Oprah as someone who supports Institutionalized Child Abuse. I do not believe She would support this kind of ~treatment if she were fully aware and educated on the subject. I do respect Oprah as a Strong woman. Women are powerful beings, until they are torn apart by abuse. I desire to heal, find validation and become an energetically powerful woman. The mental anguish I suffered at 14yrs old at the hands of Straight Inc. has deprived me of a emotionally healthy-progressive life. It is women like Oprah who need to stand up for people who have been abused and oppressed. The truth about Straight Inc has been hidden away for over 20 years. We are remembering and finding the courage to speak about it now. The story is comming out, The whole truth. The truth about Straight's founders is horrifying. (Mel and Betty Sembler, former ambassador ti Italy whom stepped down after the airing of Montel/Sammie story)
I'm sure not every single person in every single facility was/are being abused. But the world can no longer deny the clients of Straight Inc. were tortured and deprived of a progressive life. We were deprived of human and civil rights while in the custody of Straight Inc. I believe the ACLU has already covered that. Straight used methods closely resembling the methods The PoWs experienced while in Korea, I believe Senetor Ervin? has already covered that. We have a voice now.
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On 2005-11-12 11:53:00, Withdraw wrote:
"Ok, I couldn't find my message, so I posted it in several areas and Emailed it to the show under several catagories. I hope to see Oprah pay attention. If she is truly what she says she is.. Someone who promotes growth and healing, She will take notice to our story. We will see."
NOW THATS COMMITMENT.
GOOD WORK
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Yes, let us bow our heads and pray to Oprah for healin'.
[In Unison]
Dear Oprah,
Verily we pray to thee for thine guidance, for thine retraction of statements publicly made and influential in the nineteen-eightees in spite of thy wretched hair style problem in that one thousand nine hundred and eightieth decade since that other god, good ole what's his name.
We beseech thee, that the hour of 4pm may deliver us from the mundanity of the big box stores wherein we have so tirelessly sought to seek out all products endorsed and made covetous by you, and thy recommended cheap versions of expensive shit.
Oh Oprah, hear today our special prayer to thee, that thou mightst be led to speak especially unto us for the healing and the growing and the self-improvement. Expose our insanities, come into our homes, oh Oprah, seek out the fascinating decor of those on the government dole, the homes of the ascetics and the closet opiate injectors, check out our paranoias and our borderline personalities, Oprah, expose our insanity quite full on to the fascinated audience for their entertainment.
Oh Oprah, we beseech to thee to find the special knowledge which in our searchings of Spiral Hawked Shit, our poorly imitated and b.s. repros of other cultures' rituals, our Eye Reprogrammings, whatever it is that the pathetic seekers of the mystical Thang have been looking for lo these many years in all the wrong places, find this for us, oh Oprah, and present it to us, on National Television, that the finishifying of our search be made into a burpable television repast for all to partake in.
For we wish very much to be Nakedified before the country, to speak of our medical issues, our brainwash issues, to purge ourselves of emotion in front of other people because that is, as our cult instructed us, the Way to Deal With Our Feelings. And we look forward even to the day when you make that show where you just read letters people sent to you and then you can read some letters sent by some people who cried for us and made a video tape of them crying for us to show on the air while you pretend to read their letter up until their voice takes over the reading of the letter they wrote, which you have in your hand, but they also sent you a video recording with them reading their own letter to you voiced-over on it.
Ennyhoo, Oprah, we would like to join the Nation in an hour minus commercial breaks set aside for the healing and reconstructing of our tortured souls.
Amen.
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No, let's REALLY do it for..
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 22:27 ]
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On 2005-11-12 23:50:00, Withdraw wrote:
"That was a beautiful rendition of your true colors EP.Did you forget to sign out and be Anon this time? I am so moved. Maybe your feeling like you , how do you say..verbally took me out, but only verbally, isn't that what you call it? Still trying to control the first phasers? Sad. "
Nope I didn't forget. Nor will I forget that you put my initials on the public internet for the crime of trolling you, Oprah, and millions of Oprah fans. Once again, it is you who shows your true colors. I know your name and your address and your phone number, girl, but I would never put one damn personal thing about you on the public internet. You got a real sensitivity problem to react to a long involved joke post like that.
Carry on, Withdraw, the more you post, well... we just might deal with you anyways on account of how much pain you are in right now.
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By the way, you're welcome for all the pathetically nice things I have said to you lately while cleverly disguised as an anonymous poster. Kiss my grits, chick, you're dealing with a pro here.
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Umm, I dont even know your initails. I know your first name and you know mine. Oh except you did Pm me trying to get information on other Straight Survivors and included your Address and phone, which I deleted as soon as someone PMd warning me about you doing that to everyone. So, you go on thinking whatever you need to justify yourself, but I never revealed anything about you. Why would I?
So what are you saying? Another threat against me? Using an address and some phone number you think you have? Deal with me? What are you saying here? I can tell you this, You can't have an address/phone for me, LOL, because I don't have those things.
I never revealed anything, but here you are making threats. It is you who collects infomation and you just told everyone.
W/E, EP, Everyone sees through your Anon posts.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-11-13 12:10 ]
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-11-13 12:11 ]
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On 2005-11-13 00:29:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
"By the way, you're welcome for all the pathetically nice things I have said to you lately while cleverly disguised as an anonymous poster. Kiss my grits, chick, you're dealing with a pro here. "
Is everyone here so clever that they would be so proud of decieving another? That sounds pretty sick to me
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woo hoo, it's only 4am, and fornits is kickin already!
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On 2005-11-13 00:35:00, Withdraw wrote:
"Umm, I dont even know your initails. I know your first name and you know mine. Oh except you did Pm me trying to get information on other Straight Survivors and included your Address and phone, which I deleted as soon as someone PMd warning me about you doing that to everyone. So, you go on thinking whatever you need to justify yourself, but I never revealed anything about you. Why would I?
So what are you saying? Another threat against me? Using an address and some phone number you think you have? Deal with me? What are you saying here? I can tell you this, You can't have an address/phone for me, LOL, because I don't have those things.
I never revealed anything, but here you are making threats. It is you who collects infomation and you just told everyone.
W/E, EP, Everyone sees through your Anon posts."
I didn't post the information. But there you go posting about your bad character again, telling people what I said to you in pm's. I got nothin to hide there. I give people my real name to set them at ease. And I asked you to put me in touch with someone, and said if they don't want to give you their info to give to me, here is mine to give to them. Don't even try to misrepresent me. I am not diabolically after anyone's information. I want to talk to people from my time in Straight, just like a lot of survivors. We'll see who ignores all the sirens and warnings that follow me around like a holy light and dares to talk to me anyway after y'all warn them off.*
*Or else, admittedly, I scare them off myself by pretending to pray to Oprah, and they see how much I still like to brainwash people into getting dictionaries and control first phasers and so on. Step Four, made a searching a fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
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Girls, go to bed and quit fighting.
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ex-prisoner you say you have a name adress n' phone for someone who says they never gave you that information. are you a stalker ?what do you think that says about your character? maybe you really do collect peoples information
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"you're dealing with a pro here." what does that mean a pro at what? collecting information and decieving people?
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ExPrisoner, have ya stopped to realize that maybe "EP" is the abbreviation of "Ex Prisoner"??? Sometimes we call her WD too!
[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-11-13 05:55 ]
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On 2005-11-12 14:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
" Though I wasn't in Straight (I was in LIFE), I'd be willing to go on Oprah and tell her of my experience there.
Course that won't help YOUR cause, because I have NO problems with my time at LIFE and what I learned from the experience. In fact, I look back on it as a valuable stepping stone. And not only that, I could come up with a LARGE number of others from there who feel the same way.
So, let's email OPRAH. Could be fun!"
Maybe you can can call in and explain where you were during the takedowns, the hair pulling, the shouting, and the degrading.
Maybe you can tell us all how missing months of school contributed to your education and emotional growth? ... How being denied privacy and dignity made you a wholesome and moral person?
I hope you get some airtime. Tell you what - if you do, I'll even show up!
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Oh dear god!
I thought EP was short or Ex-Prisoner too.
I don't buy the shit about anybody collecting personal data for iniquitous purpose. Why? Well, I've been hanging out around me fellow walking wounded former POWs now for some years and no such thing has ever happened.
I feel the same about Oprah as you do, EP (if I may call you that). It's show business and a bit of newage guruism, not journalism. Remember that Oprah launched Dr. Phil in his new career so he could go on to ship kids off to Provo Canyon on national TV.
As far as getting a dissenting view on her forum? I think it's a long shot. I'm trying to remember what the the issue was. But a bunch of ppl I used to talk to went to the Oprah show bearing signs and banners, hoping to get them in front of the camera, however briefely. Oprah's crack security team keyed in on it right away and very efficiently retted the audience of all dissenters prior to shooting.
But go ahead and write. Maybe some of the fan base will get the message and possibly notice their guru's callous duplicity.
Just PLEASe quit sniping at each other over imaginary hobgoblins. At least call a short truce while we have company. Mark Levine may not have anywhere near the quantity of audience the Montel and Oprah have. But I think they have more intelligence than the whole crowd put together. And they're interested, at least for the moment.
If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers
--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)
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I liked the oprah post, wd. Wtf is your problem with it? It was funny. Lighten up.
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On 2005-11-13 00:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"(http://http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/freefoodlady/werwererr.jpg)"
D'oh! Image not found.... put it back!
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Yeah, my bad with the initials thing. D'oh. Sorry Mark Levine, pay no attention to the insomniacs. :wave:
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Holy shit, folks. I think Sammie's right. I think our story just sprouted some legs. Daily Kos picked up John Gorenfeld's story.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/8/95950/1889 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/8/95950/1889)
AND he's adding relavent info AND people seem to be getting the point! Please, anyone who's interested, read up on these articles, blogs and commentary, hawk the stuff out to anyone you think might take an interest and toss in your own 2¢ if you're so moved. Don't force it, though. The idea is to join the conversation, answer the questions that people are asking, not to derail interest to some set cause or agenda.
Oh... uh... not that it would be a bad thing, but they're all peppering their articles and comments w/ links back here (thestraights.com is hosted by Fornits too) This may result in a substantial bandwidth bill. I'm used to carrying about $30 - $50 a month, 100% offset by paying customers. But if it hits 3 digits or more, I may have to resort to panhandling again as I did when I first posted these transcripts from a WWASP lawsuit. So don't go callin' me a dirty, rotten, capitalistic profiteer if that happens.
The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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Holy Sheep Shit, Batman!
Thursday's Washington Post!!!!
Bloggers, Meet the Pod People
Local radio host Mark Levine (His tag line: "All the news from Washington that the government doesn't want you to know'') jumped mike-first into the on-demand audio movement a few months ago, podcasting his one-hour daily talk show that airs on Leesburg-based WAGE-AM (1200).
Full Text
Anybody in the WAGE-AM broadcast area?He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
--James Burgh 1774
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
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On 2005-11-13 10:39:00, Antigen wrote:
"Holy shit, folks. I think Sammie's right. I think our story just sprouted some legs. Daily Kos picked up John Gorenfeld's story.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/8/95950/1889 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/8/95950/1889)
AND he's adding relavent info AND people seem to be getting the point! Please, anyone who's interested, read up on these articles, blogs and commentary, hawk the stuff out to anyone you think might take an interest and toss in your own 2¢ if you're so moved. Don't force it, though. The idea is to join the conversation, answer the questions that people are asking, not to derail interest to some set cause or agenda.
Oh... uh... not that it would be a bad thing, but they're all peppering their articles and comments w/ links back here (thestraights.com is hosted by Fornits too) This may result in a substantial bandwidth bill. I'm used to carrying about $30 - $50 a month, 100% offset by paying customers. But if it hits 3 digits or more, I may have to resort to panhandling again as I did when I first posted these transcripts from a WWASP lawsuit. So don't go callin' me a dirty, rotten, capitalistic profiteer if that happens.
The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.
-- E. Grebenik
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i won' 'cause i think i see how y'are. Antigen. i hear what you say. i fe'l ya. i want the same things and yet i counsel patience. i will back you up. i will even speak m'own peace, when i feel my own mortality counselin' me. Fred says Death is always jus' over your shoulder. 'course i knew that but that's what he says. i don' follow nobody but, you represent well.
Although since we're on the subject i liked the ol' name of the forum better.
i would like to talk to this Gorenfeld cat. i would tell him about how princess Diana came to the Springfield program and how my friend, Steve, killed himself.
i would tell him how i lived through it.
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the posts On Oprah's forum are gone what a Suprise
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Thanks, man.
I got a reason for the name change and I just gotta see if it plays out. If I explained it that would poison the well. So I just have to wait a bit and see if it happens or if it backfires. I hope you understand.
Ya know, I don't know how many lines they have, but you can listen to the show on hold if you call in. It's toll free.
Oh, and btw, you missed out on some exquisite crepes by not driving down here to listen. Your loss. :-b Maybe next time.Give to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself - that is my doctrine.
--Thomas Paine
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i didn' really mean ta bring the whole name change thing back up, but somehow it slipped in to my stream of concsiousness.
i'm sure comin' down to your place and eatin' exquisite crepes, while listenin to the show would have been a real good time.
Props to all those who represented.
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Keep it up...I like it :rofl: