Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) => Topic started by: Anonymous on November 10, 2005, 12:23:00 PM
-
I have searched all over the internet to see whatever became of Narvin? I am not able to find much. Did WWASP sell this facility in Costa Rica? Is NL running another program? Just curious, does anybody have any information?
-
The latest I've heard: NL is now paying upper level prisoners from Carolina Springs to transfer to Pillars of Hope, so he could have some brainwashed program worshippers on his side when the Costa Ricans come to investigate.
-
Hi there,
Me no comprahenda? Is he paying students or councilars to go over to Costa Rica???? If it's students.....then they must be 18. What do I know though, none of this shit makes any sense to me!!!!! So, they have re-opened under the name Pillars of Hope? Interesting name! I wonder how many students are currently there?
-
it is an interesting name, afterall in reality "pillars of hope" is exactly what these programs are and have been to countless families and trouble teens, myself being one them. Give up the lies!!!!!
-
Not sure what he's doing but I do know he's not supposed to step foot on Carolina Springs and he's not supposed to have contact with any of the kids.
Pillars of Hope replaced Dundee and is now for 18-22 year olds. Kids are being court-appointed to go there and are being sent by their parents who convince them they need to be there - or else. I'm not sure about the rest. I wonder if parents are able to get their kids kidnapped by escort services and taken there. Maybe just before they turn 18? I'm not sure, just speculating.
-
On 2005-11-10 15:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"it is an interesting name, afterall in reality "pillars of hope" is exactly what these programs are and have been to countless families and trouble teens, myself being one them. Give up the lies!!!!!"
It's pretty easy just to pawn your kids off onto somebody else, isn't it? Parents who can't handle normal teenage rebellious behavior, don't deserve to be parents. Most kids do not belong in WWASP facilities. Parents take the easy way out, everybody knows it. When my parents sent me away, some of their closest friends stopped hanging out with them. The community I grew up in, knew my family, and in later years once I reconciled with my dad, and was spending time there told me how they thought my parents were wrong by sending me away. You want a life full of regrets??? Send your kid away, outta state, outta country, outta your lives, roll the dice, go ahead......you must be feeling pretty lucky!!!!!
-
From what I've heard, NL is paying "students" to go to PoH and speak on his behalf. There are prisoners at PoH who are under 18. I'm not sure how many. Some of them are "graduates" whose parents don't want them home. Some of them are kids who turned 18 and wanted to leave, so they were sent to PoH, where they'll be stuck in a foreign country with no way of leaving. Don't believe WWASP's "for ages 18-22 only" line-- they'll take anyone as long as the parents can pay.
-
Why do we send our kids out of the country for "treatment"? There are plenty of places that take troubled teens in the U.S., I just don't get it? I understand that it's difficult to find good treatment centers for teens, but WWASPS have been under investigation for the last decade+++ for abuse. I think sometimes parents take the easy way out. Why don't parents show the same amount of care and concern for their children as they showed in their pre-teen years? Is it because they already see them as adults? Well, they are not. Teenagers are still taking it all in, and between the ages of 11-18 are learning from trial, and error. Hell, even as an adult I make mistakes!!! But, fewer and fewer as I get older. Anyway, you are not allowed to develop as a person in these schools. You make one teany tiny mistake and you are blasted with punishment. It makes you scared to death to do anything wrong. Parents may be fooled into thinking that it's a great thing their kids are no longer "fucking up", but really it stunts their emotional growth. I was robbed of a good portion of my teenage years. From when I was 12-17. When I finally got out, I had a fear of everything. I remember when I first moved in with my Aunt and Uncle in Northern California to finish my high school, my aunt asked me to call up 411 to get a phone number. I was for some reason scared?!! I still can't explain in words why I was terrified of this? I look back at that, and I think wow that was pretty weird?!! It has taken years for me to get back on track. I feel more normal as I get older, but it has taken me a long time to overcome fears. There is no turning back time, there is no way of knowing how I would have turned out had I had a normal childhood? I just want parents to think twice before sending their children away. Have you really done everything possible to help your kids while still at home? Communication is everything. Talking to your teens, understanding your teens, giving them the guidence, and the love that they need, goes a long way. Nobody will ever care about your kids the way you do.
-
Many of the "places" in the US are highly abusive, too.
I agree with you 100%, CCMgirl. I think that the most absurd thing about the industry is that parents believe that somehow, some "expert" can do a better job than they can at raising their kids. I read one of the WWASP's parents manuals. One of the things they talk about there are the punishments a kid can get for breaking the rules (they don't mention the restraints, solitary confinement, physical and psychological abuse, of course). One of the punishments was not being allowed to attend an activity. How many parents tried that? Many, I'm sure. They tried grounding, they tried keeping their kid from seeing his/her friends as a form of punishment. And that didn't work. What the hell makes you think it will work, all of a sudden?
Parents, how do you think your children are going to be fixed in those places? They talk a lot about "structure" and "emotional growth", but they never really get down to the definitions of what those things mean, and how do they relate to this specific kid. ALL of these programs work by a one-size-fit-all approach. The majority of them severely restirct communication between parents and children, making these places every child abuser's wet dream (the kid can't use the phone, so there's no calling 911; and any criticism or complaint is, of course, "manipulation", so the parents aren't going to believe them either).
Parents often say they want empowerment. They want to take back control over what's going on in their families. Well, you don't gain power by giving the ultimate authority and control over your child to some program! You do not save your child by giving them away to an institutional facility! You do not create a better relationship with them by exiling them from their families!
Before you do anything, think. Things are often not as terrible as they seem. Do not give up on your children. Do not give up on your duty as parents, and pass the task over to the "expert" of the program. More often than not, you will be doing your child and your family great damage.
-
Yeah, I'm not sure how it would go over if they were to tell the truth about what happens to a child who does not do what they are told in these places? I have a feeling enrollment might go down?!! It's really difficult for me to put into words the emotional, and physical pain I went through while attending Cross Creek Manor. After 15 years I remember things, but sometimes it's hard for me to piece them in a timeline. I wrote specifics in a notebook after I left there. But, I am not sure where that notebook is??? All I know is that I believe the teens who have posted on fornits. Parents need to ask more questions when placing their child in a facility like Cross Creek Manor. I have a feeling they might not like the answers they get if they dig deep enough.
-
How do men like this, sleep at night? I just dunno?????? A lot of posters here think we are against any, and all programs out there. I don't think that is true. Is it? It's bizarre these guys are turning into multi-millionaires off of our kids pain. It makes me sick.
-
There are so kids that go throught this program and there lives are for ever changed for the good. NL is a very hard working man who is out there to help not hurt anyone. All the lies need to stop.
-
On 2005-11-27 05:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are so kids that go throught this program and there lives are for ever changed for the good. NL is a very hard working man who is out there to help not hurt anyone. All the lies need to stop."
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
:wstupid: :wstupid: :wstupid:
-
On 2005-11-17 20:20:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do men like this, sleep at night? I just dunno?????? A lot of posters here think we are against any, and all programs out there. I don't think that is true. Is it? It's bizarre these guys are turning into multi-millionaires off of our kids pain. It makes me sick. "
They sleep very well they are multi-millionaires.
-
On 2005-11-27 05:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are so kids that go throught this program and there lives are for ever changed for the good. NL is a very hard working man who is out there to help not hurt anyone. All the lies need to stop."
Really? Is that why he's been convicted of child abuse and a third world government arrested him for the abuse and inhumane conditions in Costa Rica?
I must confess though he does work hard deceiving naive parents to entrust him with their children.
Think about it, a third world government is trying him for inhumane conditions far beyond taking away some privaledges here or there. He violates human rights. If a third world Govt. thinks it's pretty bad .......then it probably is.
-
On 2005-11-27 05:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There are so kids that go throught this program and there lives are for ever changed for the good. NL is a very hard working man who is out there to help not hurt anyone. All the lies need to stop."
Yeah help them out of their money. He's a con man.
-
I've never met the man, but if he's anything like the rest of the klan, then he too needs to be put in jail. If they didn't have anything to hide, then they would come out from beneath the rock they are hiding. I bet anything that they are praying every night, please don't let my empire crumble to the ground!!! You see, they will come crashing down. It's only a matter of time. Bob Lichfield shields himself from being photographed because he knows that he's made many enemies along the way. Many, many people wouldn't mind seeing that whole sticken family erased. I know I sure the hell wouldn't!