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The Mark Levine Show, Tonight, Thursday Nov. 10.
7 - 8 PM Eastern (6-7 Central) (4-5 Pacific),Call in Live (877) 528-TALK (8255
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November 10, 2005
This Bush Crony Has Blood on His Hands!
THE INSIDE SCOOP on George Bush's Ambassador to Italy, Marvin Sembler, who ran a teen drug rehab center where thousands of American teens were physically and mentally abused in horrific, degrading ways.
Guest: Reporter John Gorenfeld
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Whoops, 'John Gorenfeld' is the guest it appears, I cut and pasted this from Wes's site:
John Gorenfeld on DC Talk Radio Tonight
11-10-05 Mr. Gorenfeld is the author of Ambassador de Sade (the story of former ambassador to Italy Melvin Sembler).
The Mark Levine Show, Tonight, Thursday Nov. 10.
7 - 8 PM Eastern (6-7 Central) (4-5 Pacific),Call in Live (877) 528-TALK (8255)
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bumpity
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Can I listen to this show only from my computer? Is there some actual Radio station I could tune into?
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Click in here and listen live:
The Mark Levine Show, Tonight, Thursday Nov. 10.
7 - 8 PM Eastern (6-7 Central) (4-5 Pacific),Call in Live (877) 528-TALK (8255
http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-ar ... 00504.html (http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-archive/000504.html)
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This show was outstanding. Ginger, Wes, Jason, Kim....I thought you guys did great when you called in.
The show went so well that it will be continued on Sunday from 5-7pm eastern time.
It was such a relief to hear our story on the air. Maybe there is real hope that the Semblers, Newton, and the rest of the Straight child torturers/lunatics will be exposed by the media. [ This Message was edited by: nonconformistlaw on 2005-11-10 18:38 ]
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There is going to be a protest early next year
Details will be posted soon
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Mark Levine and John Gorenfeld will be continuing the topic Sunday for two hours.
Peace and abstinence from European interferences are our objects, and so will continue while the present order of things in America remain uninterrupted.
--Thomas Jefferson
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy:
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Damn!! i missed it!! i guess you can't turn your back fer a secon round here. Ginger, what station will it be on, on sunday ??
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He's archived it for downloading pleasure. :em:
http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-ar ... 00504.html (http://radioinsidescoop.com/mt-posts-archive/000504.html)
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Far as I know it's only on the net, satelite and I-Pod. But you should be able to listen from the web page.
There are two kinds of people; those who's lives have been somehow touched by harsh tragedy and those you don't know very well.
-- Ginger Warbis
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It looks like you can click the Download option and then have the option to Open it from there to Windows Media or ( Winamp ). I imagine you can listen to the show from there. I down-loaded it though. It is something I'd like to keep. Maybe I can convince my family to listen to it.
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At the beginning of the broadcast it was said it was available on loacl radio stations. But it never listed which ones or where? Maybe I missed it. Or maybe I imagined that.
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Damn. Ya'll are up late.
i don' have any sound on my computer, nor do i know how to do any of that other fancy shit.
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No sound is a major problem =(
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Yeah, i feel so left out. :sad:
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Well damn! Feel like taking a drive? I'll cook.
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind.
--Thomas Paine, American revolutionary
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Thanks, Ant, very nice offer, perhaps in a little while... This weekend...well i' got my hands full. Any chance you might record the show and i could record it off you later ??
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Good Morning! :grin:
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Hey, do take some time and look around this guy's site. Our new friend is a pretty damned impressive dude!
http://www.mediasense.com/itsnotover/Su ... rt-QA2.htm (http://www.mediasense.com/itsnotover/SupremeCourt-QA2.htm)
Without knowing it, I think he pretty well captures the Program "logic" that ushered in the age of US presidential selection by the Judicial branch.
Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
--John Adams
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Trebach, author of the Great Drug War is also supposed to be on todays webcast with Mark Levine. Just thought you guys might want to know. Below is what appears at http://www.radioinsidescoop.com/ (http://www.radioinsidescoop.com/)
Sunday
November 13, 2005
The Bush Crony Who Tortured American Teens, Part II
Why is a man who should be serving life in prison for torture appointed by President George W. Bush as Ambassador to Italy?
On Thursday, THE INSIDE SCOOP was the first radio show to report on STRAIGHT, Inc., the teen-age rehab center more akin to a torture/concentration camp run by Melvin and Betty Sembler. Melvin Sembler was for many years until a few months ago, George W. Bush's U.S. Ambassador to Italy.
The testimonials from victims of this place were so horrific and so numerous that we barely scratched the surface. So reporter John Gorenfeld has agreed to come back to discuss this story this Sunday.
My second guest, Dr. Arnold Trebach, Justice Chief for the U.S. Civil Rights Commission during the Civil Rights Era of 1960-65, is Professor Emeritus at American University and Founder of The Drug Policy Foundation in Washington, DC. For two decades, Dr. Trebach has been investigating STRAIGHT.
My third and most important "guests" are the many survivors of Sembler's torture and abuse that have agreed to call in as well.
You won't want to miss today's show!
Here's John Gorenfeld's Article: Ambassador de Sade
If you were a victim of STRAIGHT or you know an on-going drug rehab center where physical and mental abuse occurs, you are strongly encouraged to call in today's show.
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Arnie!!!!! ::rocker::
We need cops.
We can't live without 'em.
But they need to start working for us....
That's no longer an option.
They've pushed it.
They've gone to far.
They've just gone to far.
Tom Crosslin
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Just listened. You guys rock...especially Ginger and Wes.
Great job everybody.
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"Sara"
Heard your on the radio show tonight. Forgot what to say, huh? Real convincing. LOL
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Hey, I posted on the blog. You know my name. We're even now. Doesn't mean I trust ya' though.
A. I'm the fek who told off Sembler's nieces and nephews, rojjer n out.
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On 2005-11-13 15:56:00, GregFL wrote:
"Just listened. You guys rock...especially Ginger and Wes.
Great job everybody.
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Well thanks. But let's not forget Arnold.
What do ya'll think of his proposal? He said the most important thing would be to pass a law ensuring that every kid in treatment had access to an outside advocate. Thinking back now, I was convinced a few years ago that that would be a very good start.
Now I'm not so sure. Not that it would be a bad thing to have that rule on the books for enforcement. Just that I don't see how it would be any different from when HRS mandated exactly that for Straight in Florida. Basically, as I understand it, they just hung flyers around the building (just like they do health code certificates in restaurants where I've worked) saying "You have the right to call HRS, here's the number, 1-800-EAT-SHIT. But they didn't address the kids actually having access to a phone.
I try to imagine what it might have been like for a kid in group. For a kid who might have had a clue that some investigation was going on, was it completely demoralizing? Did they take it as a clear demonstration that their last, best hope had no grasp of the situation? And for the thouroghly brainwashed, did they get down on themselves, have doubts and stress over whether to report themselves for reading those signs while on first phase? Did staff and 5th phasers keep vigilant watch on people to catch them glancing at the signs then confront them for getting into their heads about calling HRS?
Arnie's a great guy. And, as a lawyer, I guess it's only natural for him to look first to the law for remedy. But I think he's done more for this problem as a professor and author. Not only did he, very early on, take the time and trouble to help Fred Collins get out and successfully sue for 3/4 of a million dollars, he understood the problem in the context of the broader issues and he wrote about it.
[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce
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I don't think an outside advocate is enough. Just thinking back from my time in the program and how I ended up seeing a therapist during my setback and how I was still too fearful to give full details about straight. There was always this fear that someone would tell staff on me and that I'd be setback or worse started over.
Sure a kid could tell the outside advocate (if given access that is)about what's going on, but it would not take long for the staff to figure out who opened their mouth and for staff to seek retrubution in the form of setbacks, etc.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. For some reason, Straight honored my withdraw request and actually had my parents in for a meeting. By that time I was so washed and traumatized I could not make a coherent argument about why they should take me out. For some reason, it did not seem all that bad or abnormal to any of us that I had no bathroom privacy and had to ask to pick everything up in the host home and so on.
I think my mom liked the fact that I was finally docile. I never thought of it that way, but I was raging pissed on my intake, and a week or two later I was self-doubting and no longer forceful and infuriated. What good changes I was making.
Besides that, they sent a third phaser in with me, who later ridiculed me in group. Of course they sent her in on purpose, and of course staff stood me up, and then her up, on purpose. The message was clear: Watch yourself, it is not acceptable that you put in for withdraw. "I thought it was bullshit," said the third phaser. "Okay, thank you," said Staff. I had a seat.
I think it was just after that that Brady Minnick and a fifth phase girl had a two-on-one with me. They told me that even if I tried to leave when I was eighteen, they would get me court-ordered by the pot that was with me on intake. I was naive and stupid. I believed them.
The isolation and fear are very very effective, combined with the intensity of Straight. It was effective in breaking my spirit and my mind in a matter of days.
An HRS number posted on the wall, even a private little telephone booth, that only does as much good as the ability of the person or institution on the other end of the line to read through all the brainwashing, or the ability of a terrorized child to make a phone call and speak about it.
Can you imagine? "Well, it was told to me that -" "Who told you?" "I can't say that." And so on.
I was not getting enough water in Straight, and I did not even know it. I was so pale in August that an outside doctor checked my capillary refill. I didn't know nothin about the law or my own health. I could have died, my parents finally figured that out when I went to the hospital.
Who is Trebach suggesting we be allowed to call, anyway? As if we would not have been monitored, as if this all would not be one more thing to be F.O.S. about, stood up in group about, set back for, and so on. God help you if you were already playing head games, and had a doubt about talking behind backs, you would need the strength of angels to make any phone call that was coherent whatsoever.
"Excuse me, is the child abuse hotline? I'm being brainwashed... yes ma'am, they are using all the classic techniques."
Plus, if I had made a phone call to a lawyer, that is something to get honest about, or be F.O.S. about, and who knows how many lawyers in the area were being greased, who knows what they knew about the judges already, how the whole thing was helped along by big money and politicians, so are you going to get lucky and get the right lawyer on the phone, who will put time and sweat into helping you out of a nightmare?
I think it might be better to have the secret dealings inside the program opened up to outside observation, to independent child abuse experts and experts in coercive persuasion. The secrecy and the hidden dealings allowed Straight to carry on doing what they were doing. Don't expect children to be able to speak up for themselves.
Then again, sorry to be pessimistic, but Straight was opened up more than once to outside observation, scathing reports were written about the nature and specifics of what was happening, but at the same time, as mentioned, many people were getting greased, or else they were lazy, or else it was just another complaint to ignore while pretending not to ignore it.
Beth, Straight Survivor from Springfield, VA, 1987. I will speak to any decent reporters who want to know about the child abuse that Mel Riddile oversaw. Underline decent. Jay, I have no respect for you. You wrote a piss poor article this morning, and I think you know it. By the way, excuse me, but you are a liar. When I called after you wrote the first article to let you know that Riddile worked for Straight, you left a message on my phone asking me if I was sure I had the right guy, and the spelling of Riddile was strange, and you were having the library look into it and so on. You big fat liar. Either you lied this morning in your new little half-assed child abuse apologist write-up on Mel Riddile, in which you state that you did not mention Riddile's Straight career on purpose - allow me to quote you: "In my article, I did not mention Riddile's drug abuse work, both for Fairfax County and then for Straight, because I didn't think it was relevant to the topic" - or you lied to me in your phone message. Sorry Jay, I took good notes. How is anyone going to ever trust what you say again?
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On 2005-11-13 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
" "Sara"
Heard your on the radio show tonight. Forgot what to say, huh? Real convincing. LOL"
Yep, had several interruptions during the show, and never expected to hear anything but a busy signal when I called. My apologies for stammering, but I was stating a fact, not trying to convince anyone of anything.
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On 2005-11-17 06:56:00, webcrawler wrote:
"I don't think an outside advocate is enough. Just thinking back from my time in the program and how I ended up seeing a therapist during my setback and how I was still too fearful to give full details about straight. There was always this fear that someone would tell staff on me and that I'd be setback or worse started over.
Sure a kid could tell the outside advocate (if given access that is)about what's going on, but it would not take long for the staff to figure out who opened their mouth and for staff to seek retrubution in the form of setbacks, etc."
And of course, you don't want to minimize your need for treatment and don't forget about not getting into your pity! All those things are a sure sign that you are on the verge...of....DEATH. Be Careful. Don't think negative thoughts about the program. Don't wish you could leave.
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Sara, you were fine. I was nervous as hell when I was on THurs. I forgot to bring up several important points. Going last sucks too cause they're getting their commercials in. We all did great just for calling in!! :wave:
I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist
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On 2005-11-17 19:49:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Sara, you were fine. I was nervous as hell when I was on THurs. I forgot to bring up several important points. Going last sucks too cause they're getting their commercials in. We all did great just for calling in!! :wave:
I hope for many more shows and a chance for everyone to be heard. Even the true believers out there - who never saw nothin'! :wave:
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On 2005-11-17 19:49:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Sara, you were fine. I was nervous as hell when I was on THurs. I forgot to bring up several important points. Going last sucks too cause they're getting their commercials in. We all did great just for calling in!!" :wave:
I felt like an idiot cause I got emotional. I wasnt expecting it at all and was so caught off guard by my emotions. I forgot to say a lot too, but how much can anyone be expected to get in in such a short period of time? What all of us have to say could take days and days. I thought you did great for what its worth.
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Oh my god, you both did so great. I think someone is just teasing Sara. Quit this doubting yourselves right now. NOW. Y'all are the bomb hemp.
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On 2005-11-18 09:07:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 19:49:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Sara, you were fine. I was nervous as hell when I was on THurs. I forgot to bring up several important points. Going last sucks too cause they're getting their commercials in. We all did great just for calling in!!" :smile:
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The story is starting to get out. Whatever the hell we're doing, some of it must be on target. So let's just keep on doing in!
Busy, curious, thirsty fly, Drink with me, and drink as I.
-- William Oldys (1696-1761): On a Fly drinking out of a Cup of Ale.
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On 2005-11-19 14:32:00, Antigen wrote:
"The story is starting to get out. Whatever the hell we're doing, some of it must be on target. So let's just keep on doing in!"
I think that little expression of yours is the reason its getting out "Rampant Talking Out In Group".....I hope you dont mind that I occassionally repeat it but I really believe word of mouth is powerful....so its just so worthy of repetition.
So has the story popped up elsewhere today?
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I don't know, but I'm working out a way to keep better track.
Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul alike.
-- John Muir
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These folks have all picked up on John's story. Please consider dropping them each a thank you note and/or adding your .02 to whatever they already seem to know.
http://annotatedtimes.blogrunner.com/sn ... 000120739/ (http://annotatedtimes.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/3/9/386D97E000120739/)
http://annezook.com/archives/002433.php (http://annezook.com/archives/002433.php)
http://www.politicalhotwire.com/here-vp733.html#733 (http://www.politicalhotwire.com/here-vp733.html#733)
Busy, curious, thirsty fly, Drink with me, and drink as I.
-- William Oldys (1696-1761): On a Fly drinking out of a Cup of Ale.
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On 2005-11-18 09:07:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 19:49:00, Cayo Hueso wrote:
"Sara, you were fine. I was nervous as hell when I was on THurs. I forgot to bring up several important points. Going last sucks too cause they're getting their commercials in. We all did great just for calling in!!" :wave:
I felt like an idiot cause I got emotional. I wasnt expecting it at all and was so caught off guard by my emotions. I forgot to say a lot too, but how much can anyone be expected to get in in such a short period of time? What all of us have to say could take days and days. I thought you did great for what its worth."
I know how you feel, but keep in mind people on the air for a living rehearse we on the other hand shoot from the hip. I think you sounded authentic and honest. Just like all the other participants you were talking from your heart. GREAT JOB. Hey maybe we'll see ea other in the studio soon. I caught wind that a TV exec's ex wife put his kid in a program and he is just now realising how bad it was for his son and is furious about the way his son was treated and he is saddened that the "PROGRAM" destroyed him and his sons relationship. So long story short I think this TV Guy is intrested in doing the expose on STRAIGHT and STRAIGHT LIKE PROGRAMS. But as usual we'll see what happens.
Any hoo you did a fantastic job getting your point accross. Thank you for your courage
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...Uh...just back to the advocate thing for a minute. By the time i'd been in the program for a little over a year i was court-ordered. One day out of the blue my probation officer showed up to check on me. It was amazing but i actually got to talk to him alone in the front office. i can't remember what phase i was on, i think 2nd. He asked me if i was OK because he knew that str8 had a controversial reputation. He told me he could get me outta there if i wanted. Well, hell yeah i wanted outta there, but i was too paranoid to trust him. i really didn't know the guy and was afraid that he would tell staff i wanted out. i considered it a set-up and told him that i was fine. He left and that was that.
He couldn't help me. Couldn't even reach me. Wasn't even really talkin' to me. Fuck!! The agony of havin' someone in a position to help, and wanting to help, but my mind bein' so over-run with fear and mistrust and paranoia that i couldn't trust anyone. That is Fucked Up.