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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Antigen on November 03, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
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Charles, Camilla make first Washington visit
Thu Nov 3, 2005 2:40 AM GMT
Charles & Camilla visit D.C.
By Deborah Zabarenko
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Prince Charles and his wife, Camilla, visited the White House on Wednesday on their first formal trip together to the U.S. capital, where memories of the late Princess Diana are still strong.
President George W. Bush and first lady Laura Bush hosted the royal couple for lunch and dinner. Mrs. Bush accompanied them on a visit to the SEED School, a public boarding school that educates urban students.
They were attended by the customary monster press pack throughout the day, from the school in economically depressed southeast Washington, where they toured two classrooms and other facilities, to a formal dinner at the White House.
In Melanie Brown's eighth-grade English class, the royals seemed comfortable as they chatted with groups of students. Camilla asked how the food was. "Horrible with a capital 'H'" was the answer.
The prince asked whether the students were allowed to go home for weekends and watch television. "Too many channels to choose from," Charles said.
As they arrived at the White House for dinner, protesters rallied across the street against the war in Iraq and other Bush policies, shouting "how many more have to die".
Inside, Bush toasted the strong bond between the United States and Britain, Washington's closest ally in Iraq.
"Today we're fighting side-by-side against an ideology of hatred and intolerance to ensure that the 21st century will be one of liberty and hope," he said.
Charles joked that during his first White House visit, the media was speculating about him marrying Tricia Nixon, the daughter of President Richard Nixon.
"And it's very interesting to see the same sort of thing happening to my eldest son," he said.
On the day civil rights icon Rosa Parks was buried in Detroit, Charles observed "there is a powerful message, I think, here about tolerance and inclusion that has relevance for the whole international community."
Joined by designer Oscar de la Renta, new U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts and other guests, the royal couple dined on celery broth with rock shrimp, medallions of buffalo tenderloin and petits four cake with chartreuse ice cream.
Charles and Camilla will stay in Washington for three days, with visits to the National Institutes of Health, Georgetown University, the National Building Museum and the Second World War Memorial.
Their week-long tour began in New York City on Tuesday and will include stops in New Orleans and San Francisco. The couple visited Manhattan's Ground Zero and dedicated the British Memorial Garden to honour victims of the September 11, 2001, attacks.
Washington has traditionally been warm to British royalty, but particularly took to Diana, the prince's ex-wife, who was killed in a Paris car crash in 1997.
Perhaps the best-recalled Washington moment for Diana came in 1985, when she danced at the White House with actor John Travolta. The mystique of that event was such that the figure-hugging gown she wore eventually sold for $225,500 at a charity auction.
(Additional reporting by Caren Bohan and Jeremy Pelofsky)
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Google search documents on TheStraights.com that mention reagan princess diThe last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson
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Fuck those inbred Eurotrash.
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Hmmn. Why do all the kids have to live at the school? They are all from D.C., so why can't they live with their families? Sick, man. Something smells fishy. I looked around on their website a little, but I didn't recognize any staff or board names or connections. Maybe needs a little more research. It would be interesting to hear from former students.
Sick man. Take the kids from their families. I wonder what the demographics are. This is very interesting. Rather than fixing the public schools and the poverty problem and so on, just take the children.
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On 2005-11-03 09:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmn. Why do all the kids have to live at the school? They are all from D.C., so why can't they live with their families? Sick, man. Something smells fishy. I looked around on their website a little, but I didn't recognize any staff or board names or connections. Maybe needs a little more research. It would be interesting to hear from former students.
Sick man. Take the kids from their families. I wonder what the demographics are. This is very interesting. Rather than fixing the public schools and the poverty problem and so on, just take the children."
Why does there always have to be a conspiracy on this website? I live in DC and know these kids are getting an education that they would not noramlly be able to afford. Yes, fix the public school problem, but can't we appreciate the fact that this is doing some good for these kids? Not every boarding school or similar facilty has to be assumed to be Straight-like.
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I feel ill, suddenly...
It takes a village idiot to believe that a family needs instruction from the government to raise a child.
-- Anonymous homeschooler
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On 2005-11-03 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-03 09:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmn. Why do all the kids have to live at the school? They are all from D.C., so why can't they live with their families? Sick, man. Something smells fishy. I looked around on their website a little, but I didn't recognize any staff or board names or connections. Maybe needs a little more research. It would be interesting to hear from former students.
Sick man. Take the kids from their families. I wonder what the demographics are. This is very interesting. Rather than fixing the public schools and the poverty problem and so on, just take the children."
Why does there always have to be a conspiracy on this website? I live in DC and know these kids are getting an education that they would not noramlly be able to afford. Yes, fix the public school problem, but can't we appreciate the fact that this is doing some good for these kids? Not every boarding school or similar facilty has to be assumed to be Straight-like."
Both men are liars.
Case closed.One does not have to appeal to God to set the initial conditions for the creation of the universe, but if one does He would have to act through the laws of physics.
--Stephen Hawking, English scientist
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On 2005-11-03 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-11-03 09:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hmmn. Why do all the kids have to live at the school? They are all from D.C., so why can't they live with their families? Sick, man. Something smells fishy. I looked around on their website a little, but I didn't recognize any staff or board names or connections. Maybe needs a little more research. It would be interesting to hear from former students.
Sick man. Take the kids from their families. I wonder what the demographics are. This is very interesting. Rather than fixing the public schools and the poverty problem and so on, just take the children."
Why does there always have to be a conspiracy on this website? I live in DC and know these kids are getting an education that they would not noramlly be able to afford. Yes, fix the public school problem, but can't we appreciate the fact that this is doing some good for these kids? Not every boarding school or similar facilty has to be assumed to be Straight-like."
Hon, I never accused this school of nothin but taking kids from their families to live at the school 24/7. How about before you go accusing me of conspiracy accusing, you go get us some demographics. Why don't you go down there and find out what the kids have to do outside of schoolwork and so on, like do they got forced counseling or confessional groups or mandatory chapel or restricted readings and so on. Just be a reporter, get the info, and - here's your key challenge - know what you are looking for.
What we are looking for, in general here, is child abuse, and, more specifically, that partikerler strain which hath strained the brains of so many. G sees this thing so she puts it up for our perusal and the mutual efforts of looking into it, esp. if it's our own neighborhood. Now go run along and be our D.C. looker-intoer. Thanks a lot. :wave:
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Hon, I never accused this school of nothin but taking kids from their families to live at the school 24/7. How about before you go accusing me of conspiracy accusing, you go get us some demographics. Why don't you go down there and find out what the kids have to do outside of schoolwork and so on, like do they got forced counseling or confessional groups or mandatory chapel or restricted readings and so on. Just be a reporter, get the info, and - here's your key challenge - know what you are looking for.
What we are looking for, in general here, is child abuse, and, more specifically, that partikerler strain which hath strained the brains of so many. G sees this thing so she puts it up for our perusal and the mutual efforts of looking into it, esp. if it's our own neighborhood. Now go run along and be our D.C. looker-intoer. Thanks a lot. :wave: "
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See, you're first thought is that they have to be being force-fed something or held against their will (some might say " a projection of your own experiences"). As much as some would like it to be, not all in the world is bad. There are a few rays of light, granted not many, but this is one. It's an avenue for those parents who want to help their children to a better education than what's currently available publically. We should applaud it while the funding lasts.
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Whereas, you failed to have any thought at all.
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On 2005-11-03 10:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Whereas, you failed to have any thought at all."
Woa. He musta hit a nerve. :wave:
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Nope. No nerve hit, I parried the blow with a dead-on accurate return.
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I dunno. He seemed to have a vaild point or two and you jus' fired away. Oh, well. Let's hope it's on the up and up for the kids sake.
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I looked around a bit too. Here's an interesting feature:
http://www.seedfoundation.com/DC/diary.asp (http://www.seedfoundation.com/DC/diary.asp)
These diary entries were compiled by gushingly entheusiastic interns who have, evidently, finished the Program.
9th grader:
Dear Diary,
I didn?t notice it so much before, but I don?t have as much in common with the other boys on my block. When we go out places on the weekends, I do little things that my boys don?t think about like holding doors for girls. Yesterday, my boy Mike and I went to Georgetown Mall and he bumped into a man by accident. Mike just kept walking, when he should have said sorry or something. Being at the SEED has taught me to care about the little things. My mom tells me all the time how proud she is of the man I am becoming.
Not that good manners are a bad thing. Certainly, they're not and that's a very important aspect of life. If you don't know how to act and dress for a job interview or how to treat clients and collegues afterward, it doesn't matter what else you know or what you can do, you're out of the club.
But is it also a good thing that these kids are being aculturated out of their natural social nets? Do they explain that up front to the students and their families; that the goal is to make them a bit more white? Or do they just sell them hard on the accademics and sort of slip the acculturation program in on them?
Here's an historical reference for perspective:
One of the saddest chapters in Native American history has to be these children who were forcibly removed from their homes and families to attend boarding schools. Many times, Indian children died at these schools - from diseases they had no natural immunity to, from homesickness and other factors. There are hundreds of graves, over 250 at Carlisle alone, of these children who suffered and died alone and lonely, far from all that was familiar to them, remembered only by those friends and family who mourned their loss. The children who survived the training were no better off - and in some cases worse off - than those who escaped the forced schooling. They often found themselves unwelcome in white society in spite of their painful acculterization process, and sometimes returned to their tribes to find they were no longer accepted there either.
http://members.aol.com/tawodi/carlisle/intro.html (http://members.aol.com/tawodi/carlisle/intro.html)
Does the suggestion that the Program cabal may have viewed us rebellious kids as a problem not dissimilar to that of savage children offend your sensibilities? Good! Because it offends my sensibilities that 1) that's probably pretty close to the truth and 2) it's still going on.
Who in their right mind wants to replace all of the living cultures that make up this great land with what the educrats and other social engineers have to offer?
No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles
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On 2005-11-03 11:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dunno. He seemed to have a vaild point or two and you jus' fired away. Oh, well. Let's hope it's on the up and up for the kids sake."
My firing was accurate.
What's more, your attitude stinks. "Oh well. Let's hope it's on the up and up for the kid's sake." I don't want to embarass you by elaborating on what a damn stupid thing that is to say.
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I dunno. I'm just trying to understand this whole thing in a broader context. I was actually about to fall asleep when I heard a quick blurb on the news last night about the shrub trotting our royal guests through a boarding school. Thought I'd look into it.
It seems that, lately, every time the White House entertains British royalty, they feel compelled to run them through the latest and greatest in programs designed to squash the unwaspie cultures in our midst. Is it just the Reagan/Büsh Nazi cabal? Or is this some tradition that goes back further than that?
We did not inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it form our children.
Haida
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It seems that, lately, every time the White House entertains British royalty, they feel compelled to run them through the latest and greatest in programs designed to squash the unwaspie cultures in our midst. Is it just the Reagan/Büsh Nazi cabal? Or is this some tradition that goes back further than that?
Oh, it's vestigial remains of "the white man's burden" and the concept of noblesse oblige.
"Oh look, Camilla, they're educating the poor people! And darkies at that! How novel!"
"Yes, truly fascinating! Do you think these savages actually learn, or do they merely repeat what their betters tell them?"
"Don't be silly, Dear---of course they don't actually "learn", but still, they are better off than thery were, much like the refugees from the hurricane that hit the Southern provinces a few whiffins past".
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People eat that shit up, too.
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Fuck the Crown. i was there in group when "lady Di" came to Springfield. Hers is the only death i have known that i had nothin' to mourn for. i mourn even for strangers on the news, but not for the princess of Wales
Fuck...perhaps i reveal my own depravity, but i had to sit and watch as those mutherfuckers endorsed str8 to the world. A completely irresponsible act. i know she was used as a tool. Still she was right there, with so much power. Why didn't she help ??
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Oh well...i guess.
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On 2005-11-04 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
Oh, it's vestigial remains of "the white man's burden" and the concept of noblesse oblige.
Vestigial? U sure `bout that? I'm not at all.What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson
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Are we talking about the same Seed here?
But this is far from demonstrating that the authorities must interpose to suppress these vices by commercial prohibitions, nor is it by any means evident that such intervention on the part of the government is really capable of suppressing them or that, even if this end could be attained, it might not therewith open up a Pandora's box of other dangers, no less mischievous than alcoholism and morphinism.
Ludwig Von Mises
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No, actually, it seems a lot more like a Hyde school than the Seed. There are differences, though. They take poor "inner-city" (not white LOL) kids on public funding, not the other kind of poor kids w/ wealthy parents. Just do a news search search on "Prince Charles Seed" for leads.
I guess I spent all of an hour reading up on it. I don't think it's anywhere near the biggest problem going either in public schools or in the troubled parent industry. But it is an interesting li'll detail in that the Reagans brought Princess Di to Straight, Inc (twice!). I'd certainly like to hear what (if anything) Charles thinks about it. Frankly, he seems to be taking this whole junket about as well as any American workin' man consigned to a week long tour of all the best malls. Iow, I don't think he's thinking much about any of it.
Leme know what you think.
Errors, like straws, upon the surface flow;
He who would search for perls must dive below.
Prolougue (from preface to
the Panther Book)
John Dryden, All for Love, Prolougue
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Frankly, he seems to be taking this whole junket about as well as any American workin' man consigned to a week long tour of all the best malls. Iow, I don't think he's thinking much about any of it.
I think you hit the nail on the head - I don't think any of these visiting dignitaries really give two shits about the state of our schools or really what we do in this country at all. I think it's a mission to be seen while they gawk in morbid curiosity under the guise of some humanitarian effort.
As far as the "conspiracy" angle is concerned - No, not everything on this board is about some deep conspiracy. However, seeing a school called The Seed some thirty years after the original is probably quite eerie to the folks who were incarcerated in the original. Wouldn't you question if a new airline popped up named PanAm or TWA was connected to the original? I think that's all we're talking about here - as well as the similarities.[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-11-05 11:47 ]
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Hmm, no, that's not what I'm talking about. Even though the logos are very similar (only real difference is the school has an acorn while Art's cult had a mustard seed), I think it's probably just coincidence. It is a common theme, after all, and not an entirely bad idea on the face of it. We very obviously have a cultural problem in many of our inner city areas. And this new Seed, 30 years hence, looks to be yet another federally funded attempt at planting some Good® seed in those austensibly fallow fields.
No, what got my attention was that the Büsh handlers have chosen this reaculturation project to show off to the British royalty this time around. As far as I can tell from what I've read (very cursory glance, really) it seems to be a good deal better than what Nancy Reagan had to show in the `80's. At least some of the kids are allowed to go back home on the weekends or some other breaks (it wasn't clear from the journal entry) and hang w/ their own "boys". And, evidently, it's not verboten to speak of it, even to include it in program advertising material.
But I came away from my brief research w/ the distinct impression that this is yet another attempt by the elites to hijack and reinvent the children of people who they view as their poor, pathetic inferiors. That the kids and some of their parents buy into it doesn't really make a compelling case for the idea.
It's one thing to get a decent education and to learn the stupid human tricks necessary to pass for a full member in the exclusive clubs where one has to blend in in order to make a decent living. It's something entirely different to seperate kids from their own kin and neighbors and convince them to reject, out of hand, their own legacies.
Would we really be a better country or a better people if, say, New Orleans or Mo Town had been waspified?
I can't tell from here how much of one and how little of the other is going on there. I just thought it was interesting that the shrub saw fit to bring the royals to a boarding school. So I looked into it just a bit.
That's all.
That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.
Scott Wagner
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Drug war POW
Straight, Sarasota
`80 - `82
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But I came away from my brief research w/ the distinct impression that this is yet another attempt by the elites to hijack and reinvent the children of people who they view as their poor, pathetic inferiors. That the kids and some of their parents buy into it doesn't really make a compelling case for the idea.
This made me think about the elite private schools recruiting inner city non-white kids to have better sports teams and maybe have some kickbacks once the kids go pro.
I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.
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What is possible Ginger, is that someone familar with the Seed (florida), perhaps a graduate or someone of the peripheral of it, fashioned this boarding school after it.
THAT would not surprise me one bit.
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On 2005-11-05 12:55:00, webcrawler wrote:
I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.
Now see, I don't have a problem w/ that scenario. The kid is earning his way by his own merit. He owns it. If he really hates it, despite obvious pressure from family, faculty and the team counting on him, he could just not do it. It's his choice, whether it's worth the ass kissing or not. And there's probably a good deal of ass kissing going back the other way.
That's the American Dream®, isn't it; to turn your own abilities to your own advantage?
It's quite different from being pulled up out of the 'scum' as a pittiable welfare case for no good purpose to anyone except to provide an impressive tamed wildlife display for the Royals when they honor us w/ a visit.
Greg, yeah, I think that's probably possible. But would the artistic genius who came up w/ the concept/logo ever admit to it? One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them
--Stanislaw Lec
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On 2005-11-05 06:44:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"Fuck the Crown. i was there in group when "lady Di" came to Springfield. Hers is the only death i have known that i had nothin' to mourn for. i mourn even for strangers on the news, but not for the princess of Wales
Fuck...perhaps i reveal my own depravity, but i had to sit and watch as those mutherfuckers endorsed str8 to the world. A completely irresponsible act. i know she was used as a tool. Still she was right there, with so much power. Why didn't she help ??"
Then again, i can imagine sitting in some outdoor location, possibly near a polo field, and having drinks with the prince of Wales. i bet we'd have a real good conversation. i'd be real cool and charming and show off my diplomatic skills, then after i had his confidence i'd tell him that i was in str8. Ask him if he remembered his wife coming to visit the program in Springfield, VA(Faifax Co.) with Nancy Reagan in what was it '86 i think, ?? ...i'm not sure... i have no way to reference the time exactly due to str8s' enslavement of my thoughts and my having hardly any perspective of my own at the time.
i'd ask him what he thought of that politicalization of my sufferin'. i remember bein' there. How they read'ed the place all up, and hung pictures up on the walls, jus' for that day. Placed some nice potted plants around to liven up the place. isn't that the way it was ?? Or am i becoming confused ?? i remember the red rolled carpet now that was in the front of the building and it was under some kind of a rented canopy. i must a been on 3rd phase at the time. i think i helped to set that carpet down for the royal princess's feet to walk on. i remember all the suit thugs ever'where too. The building was sniffed by dogs. As the building was bein' searched, ya know, fer bombs 'n' such, the whole group walked outside into the parking lot. Newcomers were held by the beltoop, heal/toe, in line pro'ly for like 25 mins. or so. There were CIA, MI6, television crews, bright lights. There was a lot of fear.
just before the open meeting that night(i hated open meetings!! What a bunch o'idiots!!)staff asked if there was anyone who didn' want to be filmed by the news media to raise your hand. Only a few of us raised our hands, but i did, and i was moved to the back of group with the other 4 or 5 people who were not into being filmed sitting in an open meeting with the princess and Nancy Reagan. i was all stressed out cause i was actually thinking of causing a scene of some kind, but there was of course all the talk in the dinner rap about how if anyone misbehaved in front of the princess they might get shot by the CIA or MI6 or somethin'. i know it sounds stupid now but at the time the whole thing was very intimidating. Open Meeting that night was full of international media. i'd ask my friend Charles what his thoughts were regarding all that. i wouldn' be too hard on him. i'm sure we could enjoy a hearty and thoughtful conversation...
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On 2005-11-05 15:25:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-11-05 12:55:00, webcrawler wrote:
I have a friend who's son was "recruited" and was sent with all expenses paid to some private high school in PA so he could play basketball. Now they are putting him through college with the hopes he goes pro.
Now see, I don't have a problem w/ that scenario. The kid is earning his way by his own merit. He owns it. If he really hates it, despite obvious pressure from family, faculty and the team counting on him, he could just not do it. It's his choice, whether it's worth the ass kissing or not. And there's probably a good deal of ass kissing going back the other way.
That's the American Dream®, isn't it; to turn your own abilities to your own advantage?
It's quite different from being pulled up out of the 'scum' as a pittiable welfare case for no good purpose to anyone except to provide an impressive tamed wildlife display for the Royals when they honor us w/ a visit.
Greg, yeah, I think that's probably possible. But would the artistic genius who came up w/ the concept/logo ever admit to it? One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them
--Stanislaw Lec
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Whether or not he is benefiting from this does not take away the fact that he and many other kids are being exploited in these situations. No one gives a rat's ass about these same kids until they show some talent in sports and the recruiters can make money off of them.
Getting a free education is just a smoke screen and it's sports where these people want to see the kids like him excel and the low GPA's are just ignored. It's not because some rich guy is feeling charitable that my friend's son is playing college ball with a "free" ride. It's because the rich guy wants to make money off him and essentially this kid is now the property of someone. Should this kid get injured and can't go pro I bet all the interest in him would go away. Sure I want my friend and her family to get rich by her son playing pro basketball, but let's not kid ourselves that mainstream society values him beyond sports.
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No, not a smoke screen. A trade. I hope he's got some kick ass insurance, and anything else that's important to him, written into that contract. Of course the school and the scout want to make money, silly! That's what they do. If the kid has something they're willing to pay for, what's wrong w/ him marketing his skills?
I just don't see a problem there.
By contrast, the kid in the Seed school doesn't get to deal as an equal player. He's still somebody's meal ticket but he's not getting a cut.
You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, intelligent enough.
--Aldous Huxley, author
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WTF>>>>>if you can get over& make yourself into something marketable by all means DO SO. After all its the american way......
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Get over? You mean like stealing or cheating your way into enjoying some of the benefit of your own productivity?
Look, face facts. Every last little sweet baby who's born into this economy is marketable. By default, the hospital where the baby is born will make money right up front. Doesn't matter to them whether they take it from the parents, the state or private insurance (presumably earned in trade by the parents). Over the years since ppl started believing that you can't have a baby w/o a medical staff and facility, the regulators have swarmed in so that each precious baby born is also a meal ticket for a sawrm of regulatory blood suckers.
From there, the schoolpeople stand to rake it in. Every precious child is a meal ticket for the publishers of inane schoolbooks, teachers, administrators, guidance staff, planners, legislators and lobbyists.
If they make it through that gauntlet w/o becoming a meal ticket for some state or private program or the justice system, then what? You go out into the market and try and make a place for yourself that actually pays you something. There's no getting around benefitting others in that pursuit. In fact, it can be very gratifying when the product of your efforts make others happier, wealthier, healthier or somehow better off. But it depends largely on who benefits from your labour and how.
If you go pro sports, the team and the league and the sponsoring institution make money, the fans enjoy the show. And, if you are able to retain control of some of that profit, you might just be a good role model and inspiration to others. If you go to prison, the prison makes money, no one's any happier or better off for it and you're still one broke ass mfer. Where's the gratification in that?
There's nothing sneaky or underhanded about enjoying the benefit of your own talents and hard work.
Here, see if you can wrap your mind around this:
http://jonathangullible.com/mmedia/philosop.swf (http://jonathangullible.com/mmedia/philosop.swf)Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger, 1916, Ch.9
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On 2005-11-08 07:58:00, Antigen wrote:
"Get over? You mean like stealing or cheating your way into enjoying some of the benefit of your own productivity?
Look, face facts. Every last little sweet baby who's born into this economy is marketable. By default, the hospital where the baby is born will make money right up front. Doesn't matter to them whether they take it from the parents, the state or private insurance (presumably earned in trade by the parents). Over the years since ppl started believing that you can't have a baby w/o a medical staff and facility, the regulators have swarmed in so that each precious baby born is also a meal ticket for a sawrm of regulatory blood suckers.
From there, the schoolpeople stand to rake it in. Every precious child is a meal ticket for the publishers of inane schoolbooks, teachers, administrators, guidance staff, planners, legislators and lobbyists.
If they make it through that gauntlet w/o becoming a meal ticket for some state or private program or the justice system, then what? You go out into the market and try and make a place for yourself that actually pays you something. There's no getting around benefitting others in that pursuit. In fact, it can be very gratifying when the product of your efforts make others happier, wealthier, healthier or somehow better off. But it depends largely on who benefits from your labour and how.
If you go pro sports, the team and the league and the sponsoring institution make money, the fans enjoy the show. And, if you are able to retain control of some of that profit, you might just be a good role model and inspiration to others. If you go to prison, the prison makes money, no one's any happier or better off for it and you're still one broke ass mfer. Where's the gratification in that?
There's nothing sneaky or underhanded about enjoying the benefit of your own talents and hard work.
Here, see if you can wrap your mind around this:
http://jonathangullible.com/mmedia/philosop.swf (http://jonathangullible.com/mmedia/philosop.swf)Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them; and thus he will by and by convince himself that the war is just, and will thank God for the better sleep he enjoys after this process of grotesque self-deception."
Mark Twain, The Mysterious Stranger, 1916, Ch.9
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Wow! You have it all figured out. Maybe we all should just live in the woods and hunt and feed like our ancestors, but that is not the way society has progressed; right or wrong. We live in a service economy where everyone makes money by providing services. Some make a disgusting amounts out of doing nothing, but if there is a market for it they'll continue to profit. Our job should be to stop those from exploiting people for their gains. More power to athletes; take it while you can and do the best with what you get. It doesn't last long.
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On 2005-11-08 08:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
Wow! You have it all figured out. Maybe we all should just live in the woods and hunt and feed like our ancestors, but that is not the way society has progressed; right or wrong. We live in a service economy where everyone makes money by providing services. Some make a disgusting amounts out of doing nothing, but if there is a market for it they'll continue to profit. Our job should be to stop those from exploiting people for their gains. More power to athletes; take it while you can and do the best with what you get. It doesn't last long."
Live in the woods?? LOL, sure, some ppl do that and seem quite happy at it. But even they go into town from time to time for society and manufactured and imported goods.
"We live in a service economy where everyone makes money by providing services. Some make a disgusting amounts out of doing nothing, but if there is a market for it they'll continue to profit."
We could improve that situation a LOT by eliminating as much as possible of the COERCION in the market. Public education is one obvious target. The Drug War is another. FDA could be pared down to something similar to Consumers' Union or eliminated altogether, since the consumer advocacy market actually supports itself w/o coercion.
They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit.
--Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer