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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
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You will not be missed.
Looks like we've killed you, Fornits.
Bye Art!
Bye Lettissue!
Bye Greg!
Bye Freaks who whine!
we won. :wave:
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Mister Pink does not think you've won just yet. keep the faith. when fornits dies, elan dies.
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On 2005-10-21 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mister Pink does not think you've won just yet. keep the faith. when fornits dies, elan dies."
This makes no sense at all.The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
-- St. George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803
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On 2005-10-21 18:27:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-10-21 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mister Pink does not think you've won just yet. keep the faith. when fornits dies, elan dies."
This makes no sense at all.The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest possible limits. ... and [when] the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.
-- St. George Tucker, Judge of the Virginia Supreme Court 1803
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your face makes no sense
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This forum will stay open as long as I'm here and you can whine yourselves. Bunch of pussies. Think you can take down Fornits'? I dont think so. You are delusional.
Forgiveness is divine. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction.
--Antigen
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On 2005-10-22 11:28:00, Grasshopper wrote:
"This forum will stay open as long as I'm here and you can whine yourselves. Bunch of pussies. Think you can take down Fornits'? I dont think so. You are delusional.Forgiveness is divine. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction.
--Antigen
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We will bury Ken Z and his troopers. Ken is just upset that fornits is way more popular then his shit message board.
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Good. May his cause be hacked to death.RIP Ken Z.
There go the people. I must follow them for I am their leader.
--Alexandre Ledru-Rollin
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now which anon wants to shut down fornits? I can see wanting this forums wasted space steamrolled but the whole place?? who's making the threat? And if you killed fornits how is it still here?
On 2005-10-21 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mister Pink does not think you've won just yet. keep the faith. when fornits dies, elan dies."
what????? are you pinks igor?
[ This Message was edited by: SyN on 2005-10-24 05:28 ]
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On 2005-10-24 05:25:00, SyN wrote:
"now which anon wants to shut down fornits? I can see wanting this forums wasted space steamrolled but the whole place?? who's making the threat? And if you killed fornits how is it still here?
On 2005-10-21 08:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mister Pink does not think you've won just yet. keep the faith. when fornits dies, elan dies."
what????? are you pinks igor?
[ This Message was edited by: SyN on 2005-10-24 05:28 ]"
Probably the same idiot who is taking fornits to court in 3-4 weeks. OOoooooooOOOO I'm so scared! :eek:
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Who is taking fornits to court in 3-4 weeks?
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suprised it took this long ?
cant wait to see / read about it.. Finally ! Even if it is Elan suing, You sicko's deserve whats comin to ya. elan was a horrible,abusive place for decades,now you can be abused once more cuz you sicko's fucked up as children.... then again as what should be adults.. I dont advocate with or believe Elan is right in any way shape or form...They had a hand in producing you assholes,now they will really fix ya
have fun
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Look, I hate to tell you this, but it's not on me. If Elan or anyone else wants to sue over content posted here, guess who the defendant will be? Not I, darlin, not I.
"One commentator pointed out that when the mafia commits violence, no
one suggests we bomb Sicily. Today it seems we are, in a symbolic way, not only bombing "Sicily," but are thinking about bombing "Athens" (Iraq)."
Ron Paul, 11/29/01 Speech before Congress
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Somebody has supeniod my IP......... I can tell you to get lost. I'm court protected property of the USA. Just thought I'd let you all know.
The function of the press is very high. It is almost holy. It ought to
serve as a forum for the people, through which the people may know freely what is going on. To misstate or suppress the news is a breach of trust.
--Mr. Justice Brandeis
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Grasshopper the only way that could happen is if you had commited a felony on this board then a warrant would be issued. They would then have the right to come into your house and take your whole damn computer if they wanted to.
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Oh and Grasshopper that letter which I think Elan is behind claims only 6 people got subpeonad *sp? My guess is
1. Mr Pink- Threatning to kill Greg Cruz and injure him
2. Who ever posted pictures of the naked man in the bathtub with his genitals showing
3. Who ever photoshopped the pictures of Marty and degrading his Indian culture and heritage and repeatedly used imaged that were weakly copyrighted on elanalum
4. People who made up stories of rape and claimed that children were raped and if the children were raped then the people are just going to be subpenoad for questioning
5. The people who supposedly caused emotional trauma to others (boo hoo) People can claim that they need therapy from the emotional trauma and abuse that was bestowed upon them here
6. Possibly the people who run the board for not paying attention to the porography and adult conversations,and violent threats on a non pay site. If you take the resposibility to be a moderator and people are threating to kill eachother then the moderator is in charge of reporting illegal acts to the proper authorities and should be aware of all the laws.
The fact is that there are so many message boards all over the internet that get away with it, cuz no one cares to go after them. I re-read that letter so many times, and I came to the conclusion that it is without a doubt legit. I looked up everything they talked about in it and it is all true. They are all arrestable fineable and jail time worthy crimes. I just cant Believe after Elan fucked us in the asses for 2-3 years they are now gonna take some kids who vented on a board to court and put them in jail and steal MORE money from them. The kids that said that stuff probably dont have ANY money to pay the hefty fines that come with internet lawsuits! Elan shocks me. This is blowing my mind. I really dont want Fornits to shut down because I want to know what happens with the lawsuit. Does anyone think this will be a big enough deal to make the news???? Do you think it will get Fornits shut down? I usually just read here I never have posted anything.
PS Just to keep my name clear when I said Elan "raped" us for 2-3 years I was being sarcastic. There was no actual sexual acts. it was a figure of peech meaning they were unbearably cruel.
GUYS REMEMBER IF IT IS ELAN THAT TAKES YOU TO COURT ASK TO BRING IN WITNESSES! CLAIM THAT YOU WERE DAMAGED BY THE SCHOOL AND YOU NEEDED A WAY TO VENT BECAUSE THEY DROPPED YOU AFTER # YEARS OF ABUSE AND THATS WHY YOU DID WHAT YOU DID ON FORNITS! I think you can turn this thing around, and make Elan eat their own garbage. Lets start a new thread regarding this please I want to know what people are planning on doing cuz this might really actually be a chance if you do go to court with Marty and Elan to say it all get it out and SHUT THEM DOWN!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA.
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I think Marty Kruglick reads this and got some big wig lawyers and all his money that elan has scammed out of our families together and is gonna kick the shit outta everyone who has been saying this stuff about him IN COURT. You guys think this is fake. Im a 21 year old girl Im not trying to scare anyone Im being realistic. I think its real I think elan is sick and I think they are really doing this. I dont think they are suing fornits I think they got warrants to find out who typed this stuff and found every possible angle that they can and will sue anyone (60 people who said stuff. Marty wants people to rot in jail. He is being vindictive cuz of what you guys said. i was right here laughing along with you. I hate elan and I think they are gonna sue you guys they have so much court experience they know what to do and how to win. Im serious you guys I WOULD STOP LAUGHING AND CALL THE SCHOOL I would wanna know especially if i was pink or Nazi. If you never said anything bad then go ahead and laugh but Im scared that elam is GONNA WIN AGAIN IF THEY LOCK YOU GUYS UP AGAIN IM GONNA LOSE IT THEY CANT DO THIS TO US! How has this gone on for so long! How can our legal system listen to them!!!!!!!!! WE NEED TO FIGHT BACK AND I WANT TO BE IN THAT COURT ROOM IF THERE IS A FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
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keep laughing Mr Pink. I cant wait for them to get you.
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Don't get too excited. There's a process that needs to be followed. First thing is that they have to send a subpeona to Ginger to get the IP addresses of certain posters. Second thing is that they have to subpoena the ISP records of each individual matched to a certain IP address. This is not an easy task, believe me, I know the WHOLE DEAL.
If they succeed in getting ISP logs, those logs may only cover a week or less of IP logging, in which case, any "incriminating evidence" more than a week old cannot be tied to an IP address. Logs are sometimes kept much longer, up to a couple of months, but that is unusual.
In the case of DHCP, each IP address must be tracked in the same fashion. Some users may have a new IP address every time they log on, some every time they reboot their broadband modem. The best hope for the party seeking this information is that the target has a static IP, which is very rare unless it involves a business that employs VPN or the like.
In addition to these difficulties, users may have employed proxy servers to access this site. These are still traceable in some cases, but not if the proxy strips the IP header of the originator and replaces it with its own, in which case you'd have to go through the subpoena process for that server and so forth.
At the very least, this takes time and is expensive. I have sincere doubts that some sherriff's department is going to take up the yoke on this. In my experience with the NYS Troop Computer Forensics Specialist, they go about as far as tracing to the proxy where the header has been stripped. In the event that the proxy resides outside their state (or county in a sherriff's case), or outside the country, the game is up because their jurisdiction has been exceeded.
These cases normally ferment into civil cases, in which the petitioner will need to pay quite heavily to trace trace the information.
Anyway, as an IT professional who has been a victim of internet threats and harrassment, my conclusion is that more than likely, nothing will happen. When the sherriff gives up (that won't take long, even if they're convinced a crime has been committed - which I am not so sure about) it will go to a lawyer, then a PI or forensic specialist and by that time the logs from the ISP will have been dumped and any traceable information will be gone.
So, for the "perpetrators" the best move is to cease and desist, then wait it out. In a week or two the "evidence" will be gone at the ISP level. For those seeking redress of grievance, the best bet is to go to the civil route and try to meet the burden of proof at the "preponderance of evidence" threshold, as you simply won't be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed, aside from the fact that the case would be multi-jurisdictional and interstate, which means the sherriff is useless and you need the FBI. Good luck with that.
In any case, it begins with a subpoena for Ginger's records. Did you get served with a subpoena for your logs, Ginger?
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:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :smile:
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I probably wouldn't say if I did receive a subpoena. But I'm pretty sure you're right. This complaint has been tried already by one very determined and vindictive party. It didn't fly. I have no idea what the status of the case is today against the alleged author of the content in question. But I got dropped.
Here's what I don't understand, though. Why? Ya' know, there's a perennial topic around here about which program produces the craziest people. I'm always torn between Straight and Elan on that one. But I tend to think, per-capita, it's Elan. After all, Straight had over 20 locations open at one time going back to the mid `70's, some of those groups were close to a thousand members at various points AND they still have a few stringers operating under various names.
Elan was never that big, but just look at the sheer volume of venom and hate that consistently flows out of this very small group.
I just don't understand why. I sort of suspect that our obnoxious scat fixated troll is the same joker who used to post as Nazi or 88 or any of a number of other usernames. Can it really be as simple as this lunatic spending years fuckin' around w/ my forum just because he hates jews? Aren't there better targets?
Or is he actually another sort of lunatic. Is he actually one of those psychos who just loved the Program and is perfectly happy and eager to spend the rest of his days running chaos missions in defense of the cult?
The world may never know....
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
--John Adams, U.S. President
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None of the above, I would say. I don't think Elan-bots are any more f*cked up than most other program kids. The venom on this board isn't that poisonous in my opinion, the problem is some people seem to take it seriously. Sure there probally is some troll out there having lots of "fun" but for the most part this board is tame. But that's just my $0.02
-Mr. Pink
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Really, Pink? You think he's just a Howard Stern wannabe?
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On 2005-10-27 09:25:00, Mister Pink wrote:
"None of the above, I would say. I don't think Elan-bots are any more f*cked up than most other program kids. The venom on this board isn't that poisonous in my opinion, the problem is some people seem to take it seriously. Sure there probally is some troll out there having lots of "fun" but for the most part this board is tame. But that's just my $0.02
-Mr. Pink"
mr pink calling someone else a wannabe.. :lol:
threatening lives isnt joking MrPink and thats what you did, dont try to smooth it over. they are comming for you.
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The whole title of this thread is ridiculous. Does anyone think that Fornits will really be shut down? Come on people. Free speech. The owners/operators of these fora are NOT responsible for the content that others post. Come back to reality.
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Oh boo-hoo. You people threaten your own lives by closing in on the threshold of 'too stupid to breathe'. Quote one post where I threatened anyone (besides the people who threatened to show up at my home). :scared: they're coming to get me! :scared:
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Elan Forum,
#5 Rd. Poland, ME
At the bequest of one Mister Andy Pinkerton, I am writing to inform everyone present that as of two o'clock PM today, Mr. Pinkerton has reached a private settlement with the Elan School, Poland ME. In exchange for full immunity and the freedom to exercise his first ammendment rights -he will voluntarily give testimony regarding the hate speech crimes committed by and against members of the Fornits Wayward Web Fora, LLC. He will also be given several years worth of candy packs and an honorary position on the Elan Board of Trustees. The Elan School has been most cooperative and pleasant in all matters regarding these proceedings. Hi-yuh-hi-yuh-hi-yuh-yuh
-Mr. Pink's Attorney
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All of you spoiled Elan brats are a bunch of Whacked out fuckers. Whats the matter ? Mommy still drunk in the hamptons while Daddy is off raping young boys in Thailand?
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hmmmmmmmmmm kinda quiet here
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On 2005-10-28 14:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"All of you spoiled Elan brats are a bunch of Whacked out fuckers. Whats the matter ? Mommy still drunk in the hamptons while Daddy is off raping young boys in Thailand?"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: